Re: [9fans] off-topic: why linux lost the desktop
Greetings comrades. On Wed, 17 Oct 2012 22:05:08 +0200 Aharon Robbins arn...@skeeve.com wrote: This says a lot, rather nicely: http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2012/Aug-29.html Having lived through the Unix wars of the 80s and 90s, it's the same story all over again. The question is rather: What killed the Plan 9 desktop? Sincerely, Christoph Lohmann
[9fans] Plan X
Greetings. Plan 9 is now officially outdated with the announcement of Plan X[0]. The architects of Plan X also hope to develop systems that could give commanders the ability to carry out speed-of-light attacks and counterattacks using preplanned scenarios that do not involve human operators manually typing in code — a process considered much too slow. This must be some secret speed-of-light extension to 9P. Sincerely, Christoph Lohmann [0] http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/with-plan-x-pentagon-seeks-to-spread-us-military-might-to-cyberspace/2012/05/30/gJQAEca71U_story.html
Re: [9fans] I will buy laptop pre-installed with plan9!!!
Greetings. On Fri, 18 May 2012 21:24:02 +0200 erik quanstrom quans...@labs.coraid.com wrote: On Fri May 18 12:30:56 EDT 2012, cinap_len...@gmx.de wrote: the web is not plan 9 compliant. That's really offtopic. Sincerely, Christoph Lohmann
Re: [9fans] Governance question???
Greetings. On Thu, 17 May 2012 17:45:00 +0200 dexen deVries dexen.devr...@gmail.com wrote: On Thursday 17 of May 2012 15:57:07 Ethan Grammatikidis wrote: On Mon, 14 May 2012 14:34:39 + s...@9front.org wrote: EthanG will be disciplined. -sl What? Did I forget to promulgate dbus again? But you all only decide you like dbus at the end of a hard day, I wrote all that before lunch. i have used dbus recently, via dbus-send(1) and qdbusviewer. it's like a filesystem populated with filesystem servers, only that you can't mount(3), open(3), stat(3), etc. anything. Dbus is a message bus full of flaws. Objects need to be announced, in the protocol is a switch between text and binary, you can get the object definitions as XML and the API, which forces you to use a 160 character terminal, is wrapping you around glib. Every dbus user should be forced to read this: [0] Maybe you only mistakenly took the alternative object notation as a path as some kind of filesystem. Sincerely, Christoph Lohmann [0] http://dbus.freedesktop.org/doc/dbus-specification.html
Re: [9fans] Governance question???
Greetings. On Wed, 16 May 2012 15:04:45 +0200 erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net wrote: On Tue May 15 21:44:21 EDT 2012, cinap_len...@gmx.de wrote: there might be more plan9 users than you think. all kidding aside, take a job in athens. see for yourself. Athens is full of rioting people these days. I wouldn't go there. A comparison between a common tool in Athens and 9front: http://navpointalpha.net/9features.jpg Sincerely, Christoph Lohmann
Re: [9fans] Governance question???
Greetings. On Tue, 15 May 2012 14:19:37 +0200 Anthony Martin al...@pbrane.org wrote: Christoph Lohmann 2...@r-36.net once said: All mentioned words are part of the eternal fight between DP9IK and SP9SSS. As we all know is DP9IK winning. We mustn't fight each other! Surely we should be united against the common enemy! I think it won’t be possible for the Secret Plan 9 Secret Secret Society to keep their plans open and in compliance with any standard the Open Source community is working with. Why do you think are they called like that? Solving these problems of people developing everything in secret places and not keeping »the community« informed is what created 9front. Now handle what you created with your own culture. I don’t think the now ruling Plan 9 people will change themselves, they don’t need to. Most development on 9fans is about Mac OS X anyway. Sincerely, Christoph Lohmann
Re: [9fans] Governance question???
Greetings. On Tue, 15 May 2012 14:42:52 +0200 Charles Forsyth charles.fors...@gmail.com wrote: No, I don't think anything has ever been as concrete as that. Dreams, perhaps. We could share our dreams, I suppose. Really, we just make it up as we go along, I think. There was a need to provide a real »Plan 9 project« somewhere. 9front does provide this in the best way. Of course it is fueled by the cultur‐ al values the cynism of the Plan 9 niche. On the other side the (now two!) Nixes, 9atom, Plan 9 from (corporate) Bell Labs are either too academic or dead. They are only fueled by the business or academic positions of persons in the specific subgroups. I can’t imagine 9fronters to work under the iron fist of the quality rulers in Nix. But I can’t imagine the Nixers to give up control over their code review[0]. Sincerely, Christoph Lohmann [0] http://9front.org/img/9codereview01.png
Re: [9fans] Starting a blog on plan 9
Greetings. On Tue, 08 May 2012 16:51:16 +0200 IainWS iai...@gmail.com wrote: Hi there! I am trying to get involved more with plan 9 but having some trouble finding resources on it that are all in one place. I have started a blog so that I can add resources to make things more simple for new users, and for the community in general. What do people think about this? You can find the link to this here: http://plan9docs.wordpress.com/ Any feedback would be much appreciated. What are you using on Plan 9 to post to wordpress? Sincerely, Christoph Lohmann
Re: [9fans] AMD64 system
Greetings. On Wed, 25 Apr 2012 16:31:42 +0200 Nemo n...@lsub.org wrote: iphone kbd. excuse typos :) Nix is running on iPhones? Sincerely, Christoph Lohmann
Re: [9fans] nix at lsub
Greetings. On Mon, 16 Apr 2012 15:22:27 +0200 Francisco J Ballesteros n...@lsub.org wrote: Just to say that we moved the development mailing list. Sorry about that. it's nix at lsub.org and you can subscribe by a mail to nix-request at lsub.org, should you want to do so. Sorry again. Why is the nix homepage[0] looking strange today? Sincerely, Christoph Lohmann [0] http://i.imgur.com/BFuZb.png
[9fans] Plan 9 is dead
Hello, now that an academic non-polished Plan 9 remake with idiotic dependencies and the fun OS, which has its only goal to add political jokes, are taking all the pace, I hereby declare, that Plan 9 is dead. Rest In Peace. Sincerely, Christoph Lohmann
Re: [9fans] problem with rminnich's 9vx
Hello, Mathieu Lonjaret wrote: this last error keeps on repeating. as a plan 9 tree I'm using the same old one that I kept using with rsc's 9vx (minimal tree provided by rsc, and later filled with more plan 9 stuff), could that be the issue? if yes, what do you guys for a tree with ron's 9vx? the bug is easy to solve [0]. Ron didn't integrate my patch for this one for a long time, so I started my own repository of 9vx. I tried to solve the problem by resolving all sprint() occur- ences in the Plan 9 kernel and that way in 9vx too. The patch wasn't accepted; sprint() needs to be fixed. Sincerely, Christoph Lohmann [0] http://git.r-36.net/vx32/commit/?id=d6e5c080a23fcb914b740db48573305f3712eba0
[9fans] 9vx versions
Good evening, reading through the archives of 9fans reveals me that there are many patched 9vx versions out there. Since the 9vx from swtch.com is bailing on me while installing the vera fonts and someone on IRC told me, that there is a more stable patch- ed version of if, but I cannot find any trace of them in wiki; would anyone give me an overview of all the 9vx versions out there? I would like to sum them up in a wiki article. Sincerely, Christoph Lohmann
