Re: [9fans] GSoC 2021 project ideas

[Jack Johnson]

Anyone know if this project went anywhere?

https://www.cs.cmu.edu/~412/lectures/L05_Purge_Proposal.pdf

A Hellaphone revisit.

On Mon, Feb 1, 2021 at 12:48 PM sirjofri 
wrote:

> Hello,
>
> many many really cool ideas. Most of them get a big heart icon, but I
> don't want to repeat your ideas. So consider this one large heart for all
> of them ♥️.
>
> My annotations are inline.
>
> 01.02.2021 08:16:58 cigar562hfsp952f...@icebubble.org:
> > (2) A Zoom/video conferencing application for Plan 9.  Enough said.  :)
>
> Afaik someone on grid wanted to try some voice chat stuff using mq,
> maybe. Could be helpful.
>
> > (a) An Android "app" that presents an Android phone's telephone and SMS
> > messaging facilities as a 9P filesystem.  This would enable Plan 9
> > and Inferno applications to place/receive voice calls and
> > send/receive text messages across a network.  This could be done by
> > extending bhgv's existing Android port of Inferno, or as a
> > separtate, stand-alone server app.
> 
> Also hellaphone might be interesting (maybe just for comparison). Afaik
> they removed the whole java stuff from android and replaced it with dis.
> They were able to do phone calls and I think they got rudimentary text
> messages working, too, but both directly on the phone using inferno.
> 
> A native 9p interface for Android might also be a nice project. Android
> supports adding new protocols like ftp or smb to its native filesystem
> pool. I don't know the details.
> 
> I also have some other project ideas like many, like a native Android
> gridchat client, but that's too specific, I think. I'll play around with
> these when I'm done studying.
> 
> sirjofri

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[9fans] FOIA request?

[Jack Johnson]

This is interesting:


*"Pursuant to the Freedom of Information Act, I hereby request the
following records:*

*Records, emails, memos and reports relating to or mentioning the operating
system Plan 9 from Bell Labs"*


https://www.muckrock.com/foi/united-states-of-america-10/foia-cia-plan-9-from-bell-labs-82547/

???

Other than LANL, any idea what they might be fishing for?

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Re: [9fans] smtpd in modern times.

[Jack Johnson]

I'm not running one (at the moment), but I think there's an stunnel port
for Plan 9, and that could be an easy way to duct tape TLS support onto
your existing setup.

-Jack

On Sun, Feb 7, 2016 at 2:29 PM Steve Simon  wrote:

> I have been running my a smtp server on plan9 for about
> 10 years but  I beleive I am having more and more incomming
> mail bounce because of plan9's lack of support for tls 1.2.
>
> What is anyone else doing about this?
>
> stop ovvering ESMTP in smptd?
>
> Using a 3rd party smtpd supplier (google?)
>
> Does 9front support tls1.2 now?
>
> use facebook instead of email (joke).
>
> Other...
>
> -Steve (hoping replies don't bounce)
>
>

Re: [9fans] anyone attempted to build ghostscript recently?

[Jack Johnson]

Is a PS/PDF library something that might benefit from reconstruction in Go?
Or is it just a spaghetti mess?

Re: [9fans] anyone attempted to build ghostscript recently?

[Jack Johnson]

On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 10:38 AM, erik quanstrom quans...@labs.coraid.comwrote:

  Yes... But this is also why, concurrently, work has to be done to get
  rid of some unnecessities: that documents produced on Plan9 be viewable
  on Plan9 with only Plan9 means (external documents are another problem).

 ghostscript already renders plan 9 produced pdf just fine.
 so that problem is solved, and there's no need to do anything.

 what we need is better access to externally produced documents.


So, skipping interactivity, what about a pdf2pdf filter?

-Jack

Re: [9fans] Fwd:

[Jack Johnson]

On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 11:04 AM, Kurt H Maier kh...@intma.in wrote:
 This is an outrage.  I was promised html parsing and in-line images with
 cat.

Best mailing list message ever. :)

-J

Re: [9fans] 9atom

[Jack Johnson]

On Jan 4, 2013 10:07 AM, Richard Miller 9f...@hamnavoe.com wrote:

  It contains the full file system from the Plan 9 CD image,
  unmodified, except a single line change in the kernel binary.

 I can't contain my curiosity: what's the line?

 I once worked with a colleague who had a superstition that any
 one-line change to production software was almost certain to
 introduce a bug.  (Actually what he said was one-card change,
 which indicates how long ago this was.)   If he had to make
 a modification simple enough to be done in one line, he would
 always combine it with some other random harmless change like
 renaming a variable.

It's funny, if you were correcting someone else's bug unknowingly
introduced by a one-line change your fix could justifiably be one line, but
then you would think the odds of it reoccurring in the future would be
non-zero, and you might as well add a comment for future fumblers. :)

-Jack

Re: [9fans] iwp9

[Jack Johnson]

Traditional names always have the edge:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kwigillingok,_Alaska

I think the Yup'ik are half-Welsh. ;)

-Jack


On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 7:53 AM, Kurt H Maier kh...@intma.in wrote:

 On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 08:26:32AM -0800, Brian L. Stuart wrote:
 
  Yeah, we probably do need more where half of the
  consonants are silent :)  On the other hand, I
  always thought Bucksnort, Tennessee was pretty
  creative...  Well, maybe creative is too strong
  a word---unusual, at least.
 

 Bucksnort is a gas station and a porn shop.  When we get creative, we
 wind up with Toad Suck Park, Arkansas and Intercourse, Pennsylvania.  I
 live not too far away from Crapo, Maryland.

Re: [9fans] Acme: the way the future actually was

[Jack Johnson]

Even with it's faults (age?), I still miss Oberon. It was *fun* and elegant.

-Jack

Re: [9fans] I will buy laptop pre-installed with plan9!!!

[Jack Johnson]

Quick tangent, is there anyone out there whose favorite environment is
non-native? Maybe 9vx or plan9ports on specific hardware? Your secret
sam port to Windows 8's Metro UI?

For all I know, plan9ports full screen on a MacBook Air is Glenda's
Elysian field. Maybe something dual-screen with Chrome on the next
monitor over. I know someone out there has a setup they've nestled
into and are slightly cringing at the thought of his or her next
machine or OS transition because right now life is good.

-Jack

Re: [9fans] octopus paper

[Jack Johnson]

On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 12:37 AM, Francisco J Ballesteros n...@lsub.org wrote:
 Given the lag in publication, this system is no longer under development
 (though we are still using it), but here's a paper about the Octopus.

Hey Francisco,

First, I really like the ideas in Octopus. I think it was extremely
well-considered, and worth reviewing as people reconsider where and
how money is allocated in the various cloud-based infrastructure
subsystems, and how much or how little it affects the net effect.

Would you say it's more in maintenance mode or are you already
considering the subsequent cephalopod? :)

-Jack

Re: [9fans] Some things never change

[Jack Johnson]

On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 3:43 PM, erik quanstrom
quans...@labs.coraid.com wrote:
 pfft.  we've always had find.  we've just called it du.

It's funny, since I learned how to do that via 9fans, I still do it
that way on Linux.

-Jack

Re: [9fans] NIX 64-bit kernel is available

[Jack Johnson]

On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 12:42 PM, John Floren j...@jfloren.net wrote:
 We have discussed this. Nixie was a proposed new name, but for now
 we'd rather get the actual code and distribution right than worry
 about the name.

If you need yet another proposal that would Google with minimal
collisions, it's possible that the first rabbit in space was named
Marnushka (and not Glenda).

-Jack

Re: [9fans] novel userspace paradigms introduced by plan 9

[Jack Johnson]

On Sat, Jul 2, 2011 at 8:29 AM, dexen deVries dexen.devr...@gmail.com wrote:
 disclaimer: i'm not a plan 9 person for any viable value of `p9 person'

I'm in the same boat, but I aspire to be in the other boat. :)

-Jack

Re: [9fans] Mousing is faster than typing but users not believe it

[Jack Johnson]

On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 8:48 AM, William Cowan wmco...@uwaterloo.ca wrote:
 Sample tasks at random you say. What is the correct universe to sample
 if we wish to substantiate the sort of categorical assertions made on
 this thread?

Also, familiar vs unfamiliar tasks using familiar vs unfamiliar
software. The number of UI variables are mind boggling, which is why I
find it hard to get hot headed over any of the assertions, but tend
toward trusting the research.

Beating the dead horse,

-Jack

Re: [9fans] Mousing is faster than typing but users not believe it

[Jack Johnson]

On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 9:42 AM, errno er...@cox.net wrote:
 On Tuesday, June 21, 2011 10:20:27 AM Jack Johnson wrote:
 which is why I find it hard to get hot headed over any of the assertions,
 but tend toward trusting the research.

 What research?

The rabbit hole is pretty deep, but you could start with:

International Journal of Human-Computer Studies
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/journal/10715819

...and a teaser on variables:

http://www.intechopen.com/source/pdfs/5711/InTech-The_effects_of_panel_location_target_size_and_gender_on_efficiency_in_simple_direct_manipulation_tasks.pdf

-Jack

Re: [9fans] Go/Inferno toolchain (Was: comment and newline in

[Jack Johnson]

On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 9:48 AM, Francisco J Ballesteros n...@lsub.org wrote:
 FTS, I'm interesting in getting Go here because I'm going to write
 the i.e. window system (successor of o/live, o/mero, ...) also in go, to run
 at least the viewer native on unix systems. The C version is still cooking.

Is there an overview/paper/etc. for i.e?

Re: [9fans] license situation and OSI

[Jack Johnson]

On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 4:42 AM, Charles Forsyth fors...@terzarima.net wrote:
You don't get to change the license

 ``3. REQUIREMENTS
 A. Distributor may choose to distribute the Program in any form under
 this Agreement or under its own license agreement, provided that:
        ...
  c. if distributed under Distributor's own license agreement, such
    license agreement:
        ... [conditions placed on an alternative licence, including spelling 
 out the differences]
 ''

I've always thought this was an entertaining perspective on licensing.
Really there are just two kinds of licenses: ones that allow
relicensing and ones that don't. Kinda puts MS and EFF in the same
camp.

-Jack

Re: [9fans] license situation and OSI

[Jack Johnson]

On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 9:24 AM, Nick LaForge nicklafo...@gmail.com wrote:
Kinda puts MS and EFF in the same camp.

 You mean FSF?

Whoops, yes, FSF.

-Jack

Re: [9fans] license situation and OSI

[Jack Johnson]

On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 12:08 PM, Corey co...@bitworthy.net wrote:
 No doubt - MS and FSF are clearly in the same camp. Allies even! Heck,
 one might even go so far as to venture the notion that they're practically
 bedfellows.

I'm just noting that usually licensing is looked at as a continuum of
commercial vs free, and rarely as restrictive vs non-restrictive (or
heck, complex vs simple), and occasionally it's useful to consider the
other dimensions and how the particular perspective of each unique
beast affects the conversation and analysis.

So, for me, it's intriguing that in both the scenario where you want
to retain complete IP control over your code and the scenario where
you hope to ensure complete IP public longevity, the best defense
seems to be restrictive licensing.  But, from the perspective where
you have public code and want to garner mindshare, there are a
multitude of facets that affect that choice, and having a multiplicity
of licensing options may improve the fecundity/fidelity/longevity of
said code in more complex ways than can be readily surmised from the
previous perspective.

-Jack (continuing to contribute nothing to the good of the order)

Re: [9fans] Mars Needs Women (was Re: TeX: hurrah!)

[Jack Johnson]

On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 8:48 AM, Federico G. Benavento
benave...@gmail.com wrote:
 p2c (pascal 2 c)

Anyone ever peek at one of the Oberon to C compliers?  Or maybe the
Oxford stuff?

http://spivey.oriel.ox.ac.uk/corner/Oxford_Oberon-2_compiler

-Jack

Re: [9fans] Mars Needs Women (was Re: TeX: hurrah!)

[Jack Johnson]

On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 11:41 PM,  lu...@proxima.alt.za wrote:
 Polluting Plan 9 with fashionable toys isn't going to save the
 world, isn't even going to be useful to the existing Plan 9 community,
 so why do you believe it should happen, rather than allow Plan 9 as it
 exists, both as a philosophy and as the implementation of this
 philosophy, to demonstrate that a simpler lifestyle is also
 sufficient?

The image this brought to mind was Buddhism. Would Buddhism be better
if it were infused with Evangelism?  Doubtful.

The next time I say, Not to engender a flame war, please kick me off
the list, please.

-Jack

Re: [9fans] TeX: hurrah!

[Jack Johnson]

On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 8:47 AM, Patrick Kelly kameo76...@gmail.com wrote:
 Object-Orientation reduces static provability.

True (or true enough)?

Not to engender a flame war, but my gut says there must be some
Eiffel, Smalltalk, and LISP folk out there who are big on provability,
but I can imagine that there's a case out there for saying not all OO
implementations are the same.

Is this a Gödel question? How do you prove OO reduces static provability?

I'm totally OK with a true enough response like the measured
complexity introduced makes it more problematic to determine static
provability (as I talk out my ass).

-Jack

Re: [9fans] tinycore 9vx .tce on sources

[Jack Johnson]

On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 2:52 PM, ron minnich rminn...@gmail.com wrote:

 --rw-r--r-- M 26 rminnich sys8805 Apr  3 17:41
 /n/sources/contrib/rminnich/9vx.tce


Wild. I've been screwing around with a tinycore terminal server in a couple
of VMs and I was planning on building a TCE for 9vx after this weekend's
Easter festivities.  Thanks!

Maybe I should procrastinate more often

-Jack

Re: [9fans] Plan ? (was: native install)

[Jack Johnson]

On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 6:17 PM, Patrick Kelly kameo76...@gmail.com wrote:
 Read up on why Plan 9 was written. We've been succeeding for 20 years so
 far.

I think this is an interesting comment in light of the evolution
thread.  Most people (incorrectly) equate evolution with progress.
Whether or not other more popular OSes are evidence of progress, it's
interesting to consider the idea of success.  The millipede has been
around with relatively few upgrades for the past 420 billion years or
so.  It would be hard to call it unsuccessful, even though it can't
(yet?) effectively run, jump, or fly.

-Jack

Re: [9fans] Plan ? (was: native install)

[Jack Johnson]

On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 10:23 AM, Jack Johnson knapj...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 6:17 PM, Patrick Kelly kameo76...@gmail.com wrote:
 around with relatively few upgrades for the past 420 billion years or

s/billion/million/

-Jack

Re: [9fans] quote o' the day

[Jack Johnson]

On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 5:54 AM, andrey mirtchovski
mirtchov...@gmail.com wrote:
 try as you might, the irony is unescapable (see the attached helpful
 suggestion by google).

It sounds like a competition.

Write a program that, when translated by Google into Czech, still
produces valid output.

-Jack

Re: [9fans] more little hardware

[Jack Johnson]

Thanks to Google's targeted ads:

http://www.eglobalwireless.com/p-4333-new-7-mini-netbook-laptop-notebook-wifi-windows-2gb-hd.aspx

Also might make a good Inferno device if WinCE isn't too firmly ensconced.

-Jack

Re: [9fans] more little hardware

[Jack Johnson]

On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 5:57 AM, Stuart Morrow
morrow.stu...@googlemail.com wrote:
 However, there is one smart feature that for me would be useful enough that
 carrying a big chunky thing that lives for a quarter of a day on battery might
 actually be worth it, and the feature is so damn trivial to do with Plan 9 -
 setting/unsetting the ring tone to/from silent in a cron job.

I would like my ringtone volume to adjust periodically to the ambient
noise, which also seems fairly trivial.

What did you folks with bitsies and iPAQs find useful? Any of you
still packing one?

-Jack

Re: [9fans] more little hardware

[Jack Johnson]

On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 5:54 AM,  blstu...@bellsouth.net wrote:
 http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/15/qi-hardwares-tiny-hackable-ben-nanonote-now-shipping/

 Okay, Maht.  You just cost me $125 :)  I just couldn't resist.

I was wondering how you'd network one of those things:

http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Wi-Fi_in_Nanonote

-Jack

Re: [9fans] more little hardware

[Jack Johnson]

On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 7:53 AM, Jack Johnson knapj...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 5:54 AM,  blstu...@bellsouth.net wrote:
 http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/15/qi-hardwares-tiny-hackable-ben-nanonote-now-shipping/

 Okay, Maht.  You just cost me $125 :)  I just couldn't resist.

 I was wondering how you'd network one of those things:

 http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Wi-Fi_in_Nanonote

Off-topic-ish, that 320x240 screen is probably the biggest challenge,
trying to find some usable UI in that space. I think the idea of a
native Inferno port is great. Anyone doing anything fun on the UI side
with the Nintendo DS port?

It also looks like Android on this thing might be a possibility:

http://www.laptopmag.net/3837-google-android-port-for-xburst-cpus-on-its-way.html

...so drawterm for Android might also be a worthwhile direction.

-Jack

Re: [9fans] more little hardware

[Jack Johnson]

On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 8:10 AM, Jack Johnson knapj...@gmail.com wrote:
 Off-topic-ish, that 320x240 screen is probably the biggest challenge,
 trying to find some usable UI in that space. I think the idea of a
 native Inferno port is great.

Sorry, last of the blather.  It also seems ideal for Octopus:

http://plan9.escet.urjc.es/ls/octopus.html

-Jack

Re: [9fans] evoluent mouse review

[Jack Johnson]

On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 8:20 PM, andrey mirtchovski
mirtchov...@gmail.com wrote:
 i just did. acme isn't seeing any mouse clicks from a macbook's
 trackpad. i'll take a look and report in more detail in a bit.

I'll have to give that a try. It seems acme + trackpad isn't always
fun, but my brain loves a trackpad for some reason.

I keep thinking I want one of these for a desktop machine, but I'd
still probably need a mouse hanging around, too:

http://www-307.ibm.com/pc/support/site.wss/MIGR-45849.html

Plus, Mac 2-finger scrolling has ruined me.

-Jack

Re: [9fans] Woes of New Language Support

[Jack Johnson]

If I'm reading you right, you're saying it might be easier if
everything were encoded as combining (or maybe more aptly
non-combining) codes, regardless of language?

So, we might encode 'Waffles' as w+upper a f f l e s and let the
renderer (if there is one) handle the presentation of the case shift
and the potential ligature, but things like grep get noticeably easier
with no overlap of ő and o+umlaut.

Again, oversimplified, with no real understanding on my part of the
depth or breadth of the problem space.

If this is the case, could it be handled by pushing everything into a
subset of unicode rather than use the unallocated space to create a
superset?

-J

On 7/26/09, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net wrote:
 to be fair to the unicode people, this decoupling of glyphs and codepoints
 is (i think) the most straightforward way to implement some languages like
 arabic, where the glyphs for characters depend on their position within a
 word.  that is, a letter at the beginning of a word looks different from
 what it would look like if it was in the middle.

 my opinion (not that i'm entitled to one here) is
 that the unicode guys screwed up.  unicode is not
 consistant.  explain why there are two code points sigma.
 03c3  greek small letter sigma
 03c2  greek small letter final sigma
 why does german get ä, ö, ü?  if you want to take
 this further, why are there capital forms of latin letters?
 can't that also be inferred by the font?

 what's called a ligature in one language is a character
 in another.  i see no consistency.  it seems like the
 unicode committee had a problem with too much
 knowledge of the specific problems and few actual
 unifying (sorry) concepts.

 i think it would make much more sense to put this logic
 in editors.  this would also allow the freedom to use a
 capital, ligature, final form in the wrong place.
 like say studlyCaps.  i can't imagine english is the only
 language in the world that gets abused.

 - erik



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Re: [9fans] dcp - a deep copy script, better than dircp

[Jack Johnson]

On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 2:41 PM, erik quanstromquans...@quanstro.net wrote:
 on coraid's worm, a find on main takes not too long:

 minooka; cd /n/ila
 minooka; time rc -c 'find . | wc'
  356164  356164 13987863
 1.24u 1.38s 6.65r        rc -c find . | wc

The FAQ also mentions:

du -a . | grep foo

Just out of curiosity, how does find vs du compare for you?

-Jack

Re: [9fans] Plan9 as an everyday OS

[Jack Johnson]

On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 8:05 AM, Lorenzo Bollalbo...@gmail.com wrote:
 Is anyone using it for such things?

Some of us either do different things day-to-day or have found
workarounds or alternatives to the way people usually enjoy the
Internet and their attached computers.

Without (or until) a change of mindset, it's likely that the easiest
way to keep one foot on land and the other in the pool is to run Plan
9 in a virtual machine or to run plan9port on top of your regular OS.

Best of luck,

-Jack

Re: [9fans] plan 9 interface color ergonomy

[Jack Johnson]

On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 10:01 AM, Jason Catenajason.cat...@gmail.com wrote:
 Rob explains the fonts and colors (inspired by Tufte, no less) a bit
 in this reposted message, and mentions Renee French.

I wonder if Renee would be interested to know this particular color
palette is an ongoing point of discussion?

-Jack

Re: [9fans] Google finally announces their lightweight OS

[Jack Johnson]

On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 1:34 PM, erik quanstromquans...@quanstro.net wrote:
 the problem i have with literate programming is that it
 tends to treat code like a terse and difficult-to-understand
 footnote.

And thus, we have literate programming meets APL. ;)

-Jack

Re: [9fans] Rails? (was Re: web server)

[Jack Johnson]

On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 9:22 AM, Pietro Gagliardi pietr...@mac.com wrote:
 Is Rails even necessary?

If all you have is an object, everything looks like a method.  ;)

-J

Re: [9fans] GSOC: Drawterm for the iPhone

[Jack Johnson]

On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 8:26 PM, Uriel urie...@gmail.com wrote:
 How many people can actually claim that they will for certain use such
 iphone drawterm? Because the idea of using rio or acme from a
 touchscreen doesn't seem very practical to me (to put it very mildly).

Is there a similar project that would be more useful for the device?
Inferno plug-in for Safari?

Work backwards.  What (new) would you do if someone else did the hard
bit, and now what does that hard bit look like?

-Jack

Re: [9fans] I can not remember if I sent this or not: MIPS-64 (sort

[Jack Johnson]

On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 6:49 PM,  j...@csplan9.rit.edu wrote:
 I found this a couple months ago and showed it to Ron, tried to get a
 quote or some info on buying them but nobody even replied to my email.
 Can you even get them in China?  Are they even being produced?

There's some reseller in the U.K., I think.  Let me see if I can dig it up.

-Jack

Re: [9fans] I can not remember if I sent this or not: MIPS-64 (sort

[Jack Johnson]

On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 7:58 PM, Jack Johnson knapj...@gmail.com wrote:
 There's some reseller in the U.K., I think.  Let me see if I can dig it up.

Whoops, wrong country:

http://www.tekmote.nl/epages/61504599.sf/en_GB/?ObjectPath=/Shops/61504599/Categories/%22Lemote%20product%22

-Jack

Re: [9fans] (off-topic) Renée French

[Jack Johnson]

On Fri, Dec 26, 2008 at 12:31 PM, Eris Discordia
eris.discor...@gmail.com wrote:
 How come the Renée French who appears in Jim Jarmusch's Coffee and
 Cigarettes has nothing to with the Renée French who drew Glenda?

Interesting movie.  Parts of it I dearly love, other parts not so
much.  A lot like Night on Earth, where some sections were painful to
sit through but Benigni's chapter is just a jewel of film.

-J

Re: [9fans] Gmail and upas

[Jack Johnson]

On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 5:43 AM, Rudolf Sykora [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 seems you use IMAP to read gmail. I usually read my gmail mail through
 my web browser, which is not a problem from opera/firefox in linux.
 However, I can't do the same from plan9. Neither abaco, nor charon
 work. Is this so for everyone or just for me? Thanks.

I remember looking into the problem with charon in the past using my
feeble skills, so I just took another peek using:

charon -dbg dnop -docookies 1 -doscripts 1 -usessl v3 -starturl
'http://mail.google.com/mail/h' -dbgfile gmail.out

and based on the URL left in the address bar and the debug log, it
looks like it fails somewhere around the last continue parameter from
the last redirect.  Authentication seems to be working; I can use
iGoogle but not Gmail.

There are some intermittent errors about SSL to
ssl.google-analytics.com, but I don't think these are critical.

One of the last requests seem to return a chunk of Javascript that
does browser detection:

https://mail.google.com/mail?view=pagename=browserver=1k96igf4806cy

I tried some of the tricks found around the net to turn off browser
detection with no success.  I did find that the URL redirects seem to
behave differently if I don't enable Javascript, but then it fails
very strangely at the end with what appears to be an invalid request.

The last valid request is:

https://www.google.com/accounts/CheckCookie?continue=http%3A%2F%2Fmail.google.com%2Fmail%2Fh%2F19sso9tatmt7r%2F%3Fui%3Dhtml%26zy%3Dlservice=mailltmpl=defaultchtml=LoginDoneHtml

and then it follows up with:

GO TO 
https://www.google.com/accounts/'http:/mail.google.com/mail/h/19sso9tatmt7r/?ui=htmlzy=l'
target frame name=
Startreq BS=12 for
https://www.google.com/accounts/'http:/mail.google.com/mail/h/19sso9tatmt7r/?ui=htmlzy=l'
Chose NC=0 for BS 12, qlen=1
NC 0: starting runnetconn in connect state
http 0: dialing tcp!www.google.com!443
Waitreq
Waitpending
http 0: connected
warning: unknown header field: X-Content-Type-Options: nosniff
http 0: got response header:
HTTP/1.0 404 Not Found

which doesn't seem to match the continue parameter from the last request.

-J

Re: [9fans] Gmail and upas

[Jack Johnson]

On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 7:52 PM, Jack Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 and then it follows up with:

 GO TO 
 https://www.google.com/accounts/'http:/mail.google.com/mail/h/19sso9tatmt7r/?ui=htmlzy=l'

 which doesn't seem to match the continue parameter from the last request.

I just disabled Javascript on Safari and tried
http:/mail.google.com/mail/h and eventually I get a URL like the above
with a *very* long auth parameter appended to the end, and then a usr
parameter with my email address.

-J

Re: [9fans] plan9 now officially not the OS with the ugliest GUI anymore

[Jack Johnson]

I always thought 8 1/2, rio, acme and friends were more, uh, Amish UIs
than ugly UIs, but to each his or her own.

-J

[9fans] Amazon EC2?

[Jack Johnson]

Has anyone tried injecting a Plan 9 instance into the new Amazon cloud?

http://aws.amazon.com/ec2/

-Jack

Re: [9fans] Time travel

[Jack Johnson]

On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 3:09 PM, Lyndon Nerenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Make that Get off of my Wifi!

Those crazy kids with their Hulu loops.

-J

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 on Blue Gene

[Jack Johnson]

On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 7:10 AM, ron minnich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 In the HPC world, there is lots of conservatism. There is an editor at
 LANL, named Fred, written in Fortran, that has been in use for longer
 than most of you have been alive. Until very recently, it was a
 required part of any HPC system.

Any guesses as to just how old Fred is?  Or better yet, when is Fred's birthday?

It seems like there should be a Ratfor to C translator in Plan 9, if
only for nostalgia.

-Jack