Re: [9fans] rio in p9p

[Mathieu Lonjaret]

Hey,

Sorry, I have not tried in a while. my bin/Mail (which still works for me)
modtime is from oct 2016, so I probably built it at around that time.
So you can try to apply the github branch to a p9p tree from around then,
but otherwise it should be pretty easy to cherry-pick the changes to a
recent p9p tree. I'll try to do it this week-end if i find the time.



On 3 November 2017 at 09:43, Rudolf Sykora <rudolf.syk...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear Mathieu,
>
> On 9 October 2017 at 19:35, Mathieu Lonjaret <mathieu.lonja...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Sure. each change is in a dedicated branch at
> >
> > https://github.com/mpl/plan9port
> >
> > They're all trivial, except for the sort by thread acme mail.
>
> if I have a fairly recent p9p, what is the minimum I have to do
> to try your threaded-view change? (Btw., does it work well? I believe
> I once tried some threaded view in acme, but something was wrong with
> that back then...)
>
> Sorry for this question, I just do not orient in everything...
>
> Thanks!
> Ruda
>
>

Re: [9fans] rio in p9p

[Mathieu Lonjaret]

On 20 July 2017 at 10:35, Rudolf Sykora  wrote:
> Hello,

Hi,

I do use p9p rio too. I have a few changes on it, but nothing that
touches the areas you mention.
also fyi:

> I want to ask if anybody has made any changes to rio in p9p, so that
>
>
> -- it can either do or somehow ignore switching to fullscreen (e.g.,
> now when I press
> the fullscreen button in a youtube video I have to close the browser (Firefox)
> because it becomes unresponsive)

I don't see this bug with my firefox on p9p. fullscreen works as
expected, then escape to quit too.

> -- I can move tabs around in Firefox (this works in other wms but not in rio)

I indeed see the same behaviour on ff 49.0 (on ubuntu). Moving tabs in
chrome works fine though.

> -- it does not so much influence other programs when windows are moved
> around, created by sweeping, etc. (When I  watch a youtube video in mpsyt
> [ie., not in a browser] and I, say, try to move some window around, then
> playback freezes; though I don't really understand why; this happens in
> all rio, 9wm, w9wm.)
>
>
> Thanks for comments
> Ruda
>

Re: [9fans] acme tag bars stacking

[Mathieu Lonjaret]

I must admit, the latest drop in the bucket that made me consider that
change again is: when I unplug the external monitor from my laptop,
not only does rio not automatically switch displays properly (I have
to use my xrandr-based scripts to do that), but even after I've
switched displays, the windows haven't been scaled down.
So I end up with an acme window (that I could, and that I usually end
up resizing down manually), whose bottom is completely hidden, and as
such, so are all the stacked (acme) windows.

Anyway, I should probably first look into making rio automatically
rescale fullscreen windows when switching displays.



On 1 November 2016 at 02:23, Anthony Sorace <a...@9srv.net> wrote:
> I’ve often wanted the same sorting change. I do, however, find yiyus’ 
> rationale compelling. I’d be interested in playing with it, if you try it out.
>
>> On Oct 30, 2016, at 11:16 , Mathieu Lonjaret <mathieu.lonja...@gmail.com> 
>> wrote:
>>
>> yeah, good points.
>>
>> On 29 October 2016 at 00:47, yy <yiyu....@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On 28 October 2016 at 16:23, Mathieu Lonjaret
>>> <mathieu.lonja...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Anyway, does anyone know what the rationale was for choosing to stack
>>>> them at the bottom? Or why it would be a a bad idea to make them stack
>>>> at the top instead?
>>>
>>> Let's suppose you have many windows in a column. When you work in one
>>> of them, you B2 it and put it on the top of the stack. Then you work
>>> on another one and it goes to the top, moving the previous one to the
>>> second position, and so on. This way, your most recently used windows
>>> are always on top, the least used ones go to the bottom of the stack.
>>> I would find counterintuitive that the windows you used a longer time
>>> ago stayed at the top, between your "working windows" and the column
>>> and main tag lines.
>>>
>>> But I would guess the main reason it works this way is that it seemed
>>> more natural to move a window to the head than to the tail of a linked
>>> list, and it just worked well enough.
>>>
>>> I see how it may be more practical to stack them at the top when
>>> working only with two or three windows, but it would be kind of weird
>>> if you have ten. If you feel it will fit your workflow better, it is
>>> probably not too difficult to get it done.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> - yiyus || JGL .
>>>
>
>

Re: [9fans] acme tag bars stacking

[Mathieu Lonjaret]

yeah, good points.

On 29 October 2016 at 00:47, yy <yiyu@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 28 October 2016 at 16:23, Mathieu Lonjaret
> <mathieu.lonja...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Anyway, does anyone know what the rationale was for choosing to stack
>> them at the bottom? Or why it would be a a bad idea to make them stack
>> at the top instead?
>
> Let's suppose you have many windows in a column. When you work in one
> of them, you B2 it and put it on the top of the stack. Then you work
> on another one and it goes to the top, moving the previous one to the
> second position, and so on. This way, your most recently used windows
> are always on top, the least used ones go to the bottom of the stack.
> I would find counterintuitive that the windows you used a longer time
> ago stayed at the top, between your "working windows" and the column
> and main tag lines.
>
> But I would guess the main reason it works this way is that it seemed
> more natural to move a window to the head than to the tail of a linked
> list, and it just worked well enough.
>
> I see how it may be more practical to stack them at the top when
> working only with two or three windows, but it would be kind of weird
> if you have ten. If you feel it will fit your workflow better, it is
> probably not too difficult to get it done.
>
>
> --
> - yiyus || JGL .
>

Re: [9fans] acme tag bars stacking

[Mathieu Lonjaret]

I thought about that. you can explicitly give that preference to the
working window by fully maximizing it (i.e. making all the tags
disappear with button 3), so it didn't seem justification enough to
me. But maybe it is.


On 28 October 2016 at 16:37, Mark van Atten <vanattenm...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 28, 2016 at 4:23 PM, Mathieu Lonjaret
> <mathieu.lonja...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>Probably just because I'm more comfortable looking at things
>> at the top half of my screen rather than at the top bottom.
>
> Perhaps that was the very design consideration, but with preference given
> to the window in which one is working over tags of other windows.
>
> Mark.
>

[9fans] acme tag bars stacking

[Mathieu Lonjaret]

Hi,

I regularly feel slightly tempted to modify (p9p) acme so that, when a
window is maximized with button 2, the other windows tags would stack
to the top of the column, instead of to the bottom. I find that, them
being on the bottom makes it harder for me to find back a particular
window. Probably just because I'm more comfortable looking at things
at the top half of my screen rather than at the top bottom. It's also
how other GUIs behave: e.g. your browser tags are at the top of the
window.

Anyway, does anyone know what the rationale was for choosing to stack
them at the bottom? Or why it would be a a bad idea to make them stack
at the top instead?

tia,
Mathieu

Re: [9fans] acme search backwards

[Mathieu Lonjaret]

No, I meant other implementation suggestions.

Since you're all as lazy as I am, here it is:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.os.plan9/Q6R9iuu0lE8/u3h-FUnXOmEJ



On 2 September 2015 at 16:01,  wrote:

> > Also there was a discussion on 9fans about it with other
> > suggestions/solutions.
>
>  :-/RE
>
> is what I remember Russ recommending,  It's not perfect, but it does help.
>
> Lucio.
>
>
>

Re: [9fans] listing windows for p9p acme

[Mathieu Lonjaret]

On 2 September 2015 at 19:58, Eugene Ma <edma12...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Sorting columns with Sort helps a little with window management.
>

Oh, I didn't remember about Sort, thanks.


> Also, the "Edit X" sam command does something similar to lw.
>

I'll be damned. I knew about "Edit X/foo/f" but I had never taken the time
to understand how it works, so I didn't know about something as powerful as
just Edit X. Thanks!


> On Wed, Sep 2, 2015 at 4:19 AM Rudolf Sykora <rudolf.syk...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 2 September 2015 at 11:54, Mathieu Lonjaret
>> > I got annoyed at how, usually with many windows open, I sometimes
>> struggle
>> > to find where one of my windows is.
>>
>> yes. when there are many windows, the situation gets chaotic,
>> that's my experience, too.
>>
>> Further, the heuristics of placing new windows does not really help
>> at that moment :(
>>
>> btw. Has somebody tried this?
>> http://c9x.me/edit/
>>
>> Ruda
>>
>>

[9fans] listing windows for p9p acme

[Mathieu Lonjaret]

Hi,

I got annoyed at how, usually with many windows open, I sometimes struggle
to find where one of my windows is.

So I wrote https://github.com/mpl/lw , which seems to be helping a bit. I
run it from the main tag, so the output goes to Errors.

Hope that helps anyone else.

Cheers,
Mathieu

Re: [9fans] acme search backwards

[Mathieu Lonjaret]

I had done https://bitbucket.org/mpl/acme-with-easy-backwards-search , but
since I wasn't bright enough to host it as a diff I don't really remember
how it works or what I changed. I think I had added a Rev command to the
tag bar of the window. Although it wasn't useful enough for me to keep on
maintaining it, I'm pretty sure it was working.

Also there was a discussion on 9fans about it with other
suggestions/solutions.

On 2 September 2015 at 08:08, Rudolf Sykora  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> by chance, hasn't somebody changed acme so that one can easily,
> say with a ctrl key, change the direction of the search done by the
> 3rd mouse button? I find it very missing.
>
> Thanks
> Ruda
>
>

Re: [9fans] P9p from osx to ubuntu

[Mathieu Lonjaret]

Another think.. But this is not related to the switch. Someone can share
 some script for having two acme instance working with plumbers on different
 namespaces?

Something like below should work for the second acme you want to start:

 export NAMESPACE=/tmp/ns2.$USERNAME.:0
mkdir /tmp/ns2.$USERNAME.:0
acme

Re: [9fans] easier refreshing of acme wins

[Mathieu Lonjaret]

I followed yiyus suggestion and ended up using .go as an alias for Get. I
expect it's going to work nicely.

the change is trivial:

diff --git a/src/cmd/acme/exec.c b/src/cmd/acme/exec.c
index 6fe423a..5c55e21 100644
--- a/src/cmd/acme/exec.c
+++ b/src/cmd/acme/exec.c
@@ -75,6 +75,7 @@ static Rune LEdit[] = { 'E', 'd', 'i', 't', 0 };
 static Rune LExit[] = { 'E', 'x', 'i', 't', 0 };
 static Rune LFont[] = { 'F', 'o', 'n', 't', 0 };
 static Rune LGet[] = { 'G', 'e', 't', 0 };
+static Rune LRefreshGo[] = { '.', 'g', 'o', 0 };
 static Rune LID[] = { 'I', 'D', 0 };
 static Rune LIncl[] = { 'I', 'n', 'c', 'l', 0 };
 static Rune LIndent[] = { 'I', 'n', 'd', 'e', 'n', 't', 0 };
@@ -106,6 +107,7 @@ Exectab exectab[] = {
{ LExit,xexit,  FALSE,  XXX,XXX
},
{ LFont,fontx,  FALSE,  XXX,XXX
},
{ LGet, get,FALSE,  TRUE,   XXX },
+   { LRefreshGo,   get,FALSE,  TRUE,   XXX
},
{ LID,  id, FALSE,  XXX,XXX
},
{ LIncl,incl,   FALSE,  XXX,XXX
},
{ LIndent,  indent, FALSE,  XXX,XXX
},


On 9 April 2015 at 15:28, Mathieu Lonjaret mathieu.lonja...@gmail.com
wrote:

 ah, good idea. thanks!


 On 9 April 2015 at 10:02, yy yiyu@gmail.com wrote:
  On 26 March 2015 at 17:02, Mathieu Lonjaret mathieu.lonja...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  However, I find it a bit tedious that I have to write (or paste)
  myself the Get tag for each of the wins I want to refresh. To the
  point that I'm thinking of hardcoding the Get tag as one of the
  permanent tags for a win.
 
  One easy solution is to use as command something you already have in
  the tag bar. I have used '|' as Edit (I think the patch is my contrib,
  but I'm not sure), you may use it as Get. Or, since it looks like we
  are talking about go files, you could use 'g' or 'o', which will
  always be there.
 
  It is not ideal, but it is something you can do in 5 minutes.
 
 
  --
  - yiyus || JGL .
 

Re: [9fans] easier refreshing of acme wins

[Mathieu Lonjaret]

Nice. but, as I explained, automatically refreshing all the wins (or
even only the .go ones) is not really what I want.
Moreover, this is probably even worse as I'd lose any custom tags I'd
have added on those windows.


On 3 April 2015 at 18:24, Skip Tavakkolian skip.tavakkol...@gmail.com wrote:
 wouldn't something like this work?  in the example i (clumsily) find the .go
 files, remove them and then B them in again.

 % for (i in `{9p ls acme|grep '[1-9]+'}) {
 x = `{9p read acme/$i/tag|sed -n -e 's/^([^ ]*\.go) .*$/\1/p' }
 if (! ~ $x '') {
 echo del | 9p write acme/$i/ctl
 B $x
 }
 }

 On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 6:16 AM, Mathieu Lonjaret
 mathieu.lonja...@gmail.com wrote:

 Yes, I had seen that thread, but I explained I don't want the same
 thing as what you're asking for. I do not want to refresh them all in
 one command. I want to selectively refresh some of them, but in an
 easier fashion than having to type Get for each of them.


 On 28 March 2015 at 08:19, Aram Santogidis gnubun...@gmail.com wrote:
  Hi,
 
  I posted a similar question in the list few days back
  http://marc.info/?l=9fansm=142721596630272w=1
 
  and one solution that was suggested by Antons and works fine for me is
  the
  following.
 
  Edit X:^... [^+].*[^\/]$: e
 
  Cheers,
  Aram
 
  On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 11:05 PM, Bakul Shah ba...@bitblocks.com
  wrote:
 
 
  On Thu, 26 Mar 2015 18:49:51 - Paul Lalonde
  paul.a.lalo...@gmail.com
  wrote:
   The feature direction I'd like when working with Git is for the
   window
   of a
   git-changed file to become un-editable.  This would require adding
   the
   idea
   of a un-editable window, which is probably a bad idea.
 
  Not sure what you mean. If you git {pull,checkout,merge,...},
  files you have been editing (but not yet saved) may already
  require merging. You may be better off using some client side
  git hook that checks the state of acme edited files and tries
  to do the right thing (not that I have ever used these hooks).
 
   Meanwhile I use the script below to generate X commands to reload
   changed
   windows.  If I had a little more gumption (and less fear) I'd pipe
   the
   last
   output to make acme execute the Edits.
  
   #!/bin/bash
   cd `git rev-parse --git-dir`/..
   git diff --name-only HEAD~ | sed s+^+`pwd`/+ | sort  /tmp/foobar
   9p read acme/index | awk '{print $6}' | sort | comm -12 - /tmp/foobar
   |
   sed 's+\(.*\)+Edit X=\1=,r+'
 
  Nice!
 
 

Re: [9fans] easier refreshing of acme wins

[Mathieu Lonjaret]

Yes, I had seen that thread, but I explained I don't want the same
thing as what you're asking for. I do not want to refresh them all in
one command. I want to selectively refresh some of them, but in an
easier fashion than having to type Get for each of them.


On 28 March 2015 at 08:19, Aram Santogidis gnubun...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi,

 I posted a similar question in the list few days back
 http://marc.info/?l=9fansm=142721596630272w=1

 and one solution that was suggested by Antons and works fine for me is the
 following.

 Edit X:^... [^+].*[^\/]$: e

 Cheers,
 Aram

 On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 11:05 PM, Bakul Shah ba...@bitblocks.com wrote:


 On Thu, 26 Mar 2015 18:49:51 - Paul Lalonde paul.a.lalo...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  The feature direction I'd like when working with Git is for the window
  of a
  git-changed file to become un-editable.  This would require adding the
  idea
  of a un-editable window, which is probably a bad idea.

 Not sure what you mean. If you git {pull,checkout,merge,...},
 files you have been editing (but not yet saved) may already
 require merging. You may be better off using some client side
 git hook that checks the state of acme edited files and tries
 to do the right thing (not that I have ever used these hooks).

  Meanwhile I use the script below to generate X commands to reload
  changed
  windows.  If I had a little more gumption (and less fear) I'd pipe the
  last
  output to make acme execute the Edits.
 
  #!/bin/bash
  cd `git rev-parse --git-dir`/..
  git diff --name-only HEAD~ | sed s+^+`pwd`/+ | sort  /tmp/foobar
  9p read acme/index | awk '{print $6}' | sort | comm -12 - /tmp/foobar  |
  sed 's+\(.*\)+Edit X=\1=,r+'

 Nice!

[9fans] easier refreshing of acme wins

[Mathieu Lonjaret]

Hi,

I work with many git branches, often affecting the same files. And I
also happen to jump from one to the other quite frequently. There
could be a problem with my workflow, but let's pretend there isn't.

When one of said files is already open in acme, the win won't
automatically refresh it and that's ok, I certainly wouldn't want that
anyway, because I don't always to refresh them all.

However, I find it a bit tedious that I have to write (or paste)
myself the Get tag for each of the wins I want to refresh. To the
point that I'm thinking of hardcoding the Get tag as one of the
permanent tags for a win.

Before I do that, does anyone have a better solution to suggest? The
best would be that the Get tag gets automatically added to the tag bar
whenever the files are changed (by git checkout, or other).

p9p acme btw.

Thanks,
Mathieu

[9fans] acmetags

[Mathieu Lonjaret]

Hi,

I usually keep most of my build/run/test workflow as tags on my acme
win windows. But acme dumps do not save tags, and I sometimes don't
save them in a guide file (because I forget when I reboot, or I close
acme inadvertently, or in rare occasions because acme dies). So I've
finally written a little tool to cope with that, and it's here
https://github.com/mpl/acmetags in case anyone is interested. I'll
probably run it in a cron or something.

As usual, kudos to the acme authors and to Russ for the acme pkg which
made this so easy to write.

Cheers,
Mathieu

Re: [9fans] acmetags

[Mathieu Lonjaret]

On 30 November 2014 at 18:19, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net wrote:
 On Sun Nov 30 09:03:42 PST 2014, mathieu.lonja...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi,

 I usually keep most of my build/run/test workflow as tags on my acme
 win windows. But acme dumps do not save tags, and I sometimes don't
 save them in a guide file (because I forget when I reboot, or I close
 acme inadvertently, or in rare occasions because acme dies). So I've
 finally written a little tool to cope with that, and it's here
 https://github.com/mpl/acmetags in case anyone is interested. I'll
 probably run it in a cron or something.

 As usual, kudos to the acme authors and to Russ for the acme pkg which
 made this so easy to write.

 the 9atom version of acme does do this.

Ah yeah, forgot to precise it was for p9p, thanks.

 it's pretty easy code to copy,
 i just haven't done it yet.  the other thing missing from p9p acme that
 i notice is the ability to middle click on the column blue square and have
 the column resize in width, as frames already do in height.  (only in
 9atom, not labs.)

Wow, yes. I often wish I could do something like that and I didn't
even know it existed in any of the acme versions. You have my thanks
in advance if that makes it into p9p. :-)

 - erik

[9fans] Evoluent wheel speed in p9p acme

[Mathieu Lonjaret]

Hi,

I had always found the scrolling increment way too small with the
Evoluent scrolling wheel, and it was particularly annoying in acme. I
had no luck with xinput as I could not find the relevant property to
adjust but it turns out it's pretty simple with imwheel. Here's my
.imwheelrc for anyone interested:

.*acme$
None,   Up, Up, 1
None,   Down,   Down,   1

Cancelling it (for when one wants to switch to another mouse of the
trackpoint for example) is as simple as pkill imwheel.

hth,
Mathieu

Re: [9fans] Use acme.rc with acme (p9p)

[Mathieu Lonjaret]

if you start acme with your SHELL being $PLAN9/bin/rc, then the wins you'll
open will run rc -l, which reads $HOME/lib/profile.
So whatever functions you define in there will be known to your wins in
acme. Not sure that answers your questions though.

On 3 April 2013 22:06, Sergio Perticone g4ll...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 12:39 PM, dglmo...@gmail.com wrote:

 I know that there should be a way to use the functions defined in
 acme.rc, but I cannot seem to figure out how to load it. Any help would be
 appreciated.


 dot:

 . $PLAN9/lib/acme.rc
 newwindow



 Up to this point every time I've created new commands I've added them
 each as a separate command in my PATH which I don't care for.

 Thanks.

Re: [9fans] git and (p9p) acme

[Mathieu Lonjaret]

It happened again. and I've just realized it's simply what you had
warned about: since it was an --amend and I didn't change anything in
the message there was no change to the ls -l output, hence E did
nothing when I Put.

On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 12:20 AM, Mathieu Lonjaret
mathieu.lonja...@gmail.com wrote:
 I've just retried on the machine where I had the problem and it now
 just works. No need even for awd indeed.
 I'll try and reproduce the behavior, but I just don't see what I may
 have done different the previous times...

 thanks,
 Mathieu

 On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 5:32 AM, Russ Cox r...@swtch.com wrote:
 On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 5:35 PM, Mathieu Lonjaret
 mathieu.lonja...@gmail.com wrote:
 So, are you saying E just works out of the box for you as the $EDITOR
 for git/hg?

 Yes.  Note that E waits for the file to change by running
 ls -l on the file in a loop.  If for some reason doing the Put
 does not change the ls -l output (date+size, primarily) then
 E will not exit.  If you are having trouble I would suggest
 putting some echo statements in the script or just doing
 'set -e' at the top so that it echoes each statement as it
 executes (including the all-important comparison).

 I cannot imagine why using awd would change the behavior
 of the E script.

 Russ

Re: [9fans] git and (p9p) acme

[Mathieu Lonjaret]

I've just retried on the machine where I had the problem and it now
just works. No need even for awd indeed.
I'll try and reproduce the behavior, but I just don't see what I may
have done different the previous times...

thanks,
Mathieu

On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 5:32 AM, Russ Cox r...@swtch.com wrote:
 On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 5:35 PM, Mathieu Lonjaret
 mathieu.lonja...@gmail.com wrote:
 So, are you saying E just works out of the box for you as the $EDITOR
 for git/hg?

 Yes.  Note that E waits for the file to change by running
 ls -l on the file in a loop.  If for some reason doing the Put
 does not change the ls -l output (date+size, primarily) then
 E will not exit.  If you are having trouble I would suggest
 putting some echo statements in the script or just doing
 'set -e' at the top so that it echoes each statement as it
 executes (including the all-important comparison).

 I cannot imagine why using awd would change the behavior
 of the E script.

 Russ

Re: [9fans] git and (p9p) acme

[Mathieu Lonjaret]

Indeed.

On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 9:39 PM, Mark van Atten
mark.vanat...@univ-paris1.fr wrote:
 Mathieu Lonjaret mathieu.lonja...@gmail.com a écrit :


 http://sqweek.net/plan9/acmeedit


 Nice, it almost works out of the box.
 I got a 9p error message when using it:
 9p: write error: ill-formed control message


 In /lib/acme.rc, there is

 fn newwindow {
        winctl=`{9p read acme/new/ctl}
        winid=$winctl(1)
        winctl noscroll
 }

 I think the noscroll no longer functions; I commented it out, and then
 acmeedit no longer produces the error message.

 Best wishes,
 Mark.

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Re: [9fans] git and (p9p) acme

[Mathieu Lonjaret]

So, are you saying E just works out of the box for you as the $EDITOR
for git/hg?
Or did you have to tweak a few things like what Aram and Dexen describe?

I wouldn't mind using E as it is, with Put being the trigger to the
tool (git in that case), but it does not seem to be working here.

On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 10:21 PM, Russ Cox r...@swtch.com wrote:
 I guess it depends on what you expect to break.
 I like using the E script because (once you learn not
 to click Put, which doesn't take too long) after I click
 Put the window is still there with my work in it in case
 the tool I just sent it to chooses to blow up and
 discard my efforts.

 Russ

Re: [9fans] git and (p9p) acme

[Mathieu Lonjaret]

Indeed, it seems like awd was all that was needed.
Thanks!

On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 11:49 PM, Aram Hăvărneanu ara...@mgk.ro wrote:
 I guess all you need to run up awd in your cd alias. I think I stole
 my cd function from Russ.

 Actually, the way one does this is documented in label(1). Beware that
 this requires X, hence the $DISPLAY check in my profile.

 --
 Aram Hăvărneanu

Re: [9fans] git and (p9p) acme

[Mathieu Lonjaret]

Thanks Dexen and Aram for the explanation.

On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 6:04 PM, sqweek sqw...@gmail.com wrote:
 On 19 April 2012 19:51, Mathieu Lonjaret mathieu.lonja...@gmail.com wrote:
 Is anyone using git with p9p acme set as the editor?
 snip
 I use E instead (which I thought was meant for that), git does not
 notice when I Put the file, so it just hangs there.

  I never tried using EDITOR=E, instead wrote my own little script. I'm
 a little compulsive when it comes to hitting Put, so my script
 actually waits until you delete the acme window. Also you can hit
 Cancel to have the script exit non-zero. Anyway this is what I use
 for $EDITOR/$VISUAL:

 http://sqweek.net/plan9/acmeedit

Nice, it almost works out of the box.
I got a 9p error message when using it:
9p: write error: ill-formed control message
but it actually does the job anyway.
Thanks!

I'll investigate later on to see which part fails exactly.

[9fans] git and (p9p) acme

[Mathieu Lonjaret]

Hello,

Is anyone using git with p9p acme set as the editor?
Most things here work fine (as long as the pager is set to cat or
something like that), but I've been having problems with 'git commit
--amend'. If I use B as the $EDITOR, git considers the log file edited
as soon as it is opened in acme (and does not wait for a Put), and if
I use E instead (which I thought was meant for that), git does not
notice when I Put the file, so it just hangs there.
Am I missing something? is there a simple solution to that?

Cheers,
Mathieu

Re: [9fans] Question about usage of Plan 9 based os systems

[Mathieu Lonjaret]

On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 6:54 PM, Ethan Grammatikidis
eeke...@fastmail.fm wrote:

 I now use Plan 9 for everything that does not involve 3D graphics, the
 www, or email. The latter is because as far as I'm aware there's no way
 to get a threaded message view.

I don't think it would be much effort to address that point if it
really matters to you.
You could use that:
https://bitbucket.org/mpl/acmemail-with-sort-by-thread/src as an
example (or not).

Re: [9fans] thanks iwp9 organizers

[Mathieu Lonjaret]

Good times indeed, thanks.

Re: [9fans] Announcing Inferno for Android phones

[Mathieu Lonjaret]

Because deep inside you know it's just an elaborate ruse from brucee.

On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 3:40 PM, Richard Miller 9f...@hamnavoe.com wrote:
 The Wank E5 was AU$50.

 Why is it that I can't quite summon up the courage to do a
 google search for wank phone?

Re: [9fans] reverse search direction in p9p acme

[Mathieu Lonjaret]

I haven't tried, but I don't see why not.

On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 10:01 AM, Peter A. Cejchan tyap...@gmail.com wrote:
 would it run on native plan9, too?
 thanks, peter, aka
 ++pac

Re: [9fans] reverse search direction in p9p acme

[Mathieu Lonjaret]

On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 10:37 AM, roger peppe rogpe...@gmail.com wrote:
 i'm not sure about adding more invisible state to acme
 windows.

Well I needed to do that in a hurry, but I'll gladly reimplement it
later better if you have a nice suggestion.

 i've sometimes imagined a version of acme where shift-right-click
 would reverse the search. no way of implementing it under
 plan 9 itself though.

Yeah my first idea was with ctrl+right click but I figured it was
easier/faster to just add it as a text command.

 On 19 September 2011 09:19, Mathieu Lonjaret mathieu.lonja...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 I haven't tried, but I don't see why not.

 On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 10:01 AM, Peter A. Cejchan tyap...@gmail.com wrote:
 would it run on native plan9, too?
 thanks, peter, aka
 ++pac

[9fans] reverse search direction in p9p acme

[Mathieu Lonjaret]

Hi,

in case anyone's interested:

https://bitbucket.org/mpl/acme-with-easy-backwards-search

Cheers,
Mathieu

Re: [9fans] reverse search direction in p9p acme

[Mathieu Lonjaret]

Ah thanks, I always forget private is the default in bitbucket.
better now?

On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 3:28 PM, dexen deVries dexen.devr...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Sunday 18 September 2011 15:21:34 Mathieu Lonjaret wrote:
 in case anyone's interested:

 https://bitbucket.org/mpl/acme-with-easy-backwards-search



 Error
 You do not have access to this repository.


 --
 dexen deVries

 It's called trolling. It's been done since there were bangs in people's
 email addresses.

 thaumaturgy, on HN

Re: [9fans] reverse search direction in p9p acme

[Mathieu Lonjaret]

As the description says:
I found I want to quickly look for something upwards often enough
that it was getting annoying to have to type :-/ or :? everytime. With
this I just have to exec Rev in the tag bar to reverse the search
direction.
Furthermore, with :-/foobar, you have to go back with your mouse to
the tag bar where you typed this for every subsequent search.

On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 3:56 PM, dexen deVries dexen.devr...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Sunday 18 September 2011 15:32:27 Mathieu Lonjaret wrote:
 Ah thanks, I always forget private is the default in bitbucket.
 better now?

 yep.

 you commited only the final version; it'd be easier to read if you commited
 first vanilla and then your changes.

 please explain: how's your Rev command better than searching via :-/REGEX? Is
 Rev the equivalent of Look?


 --
 dexen deVries

 It's called trolling. It's been done since there were bangs in people's
 email addresses.

 thaumaturgy, on HN

Re: [9fans] reverse search direction in p9p acme

[Mathieu Lonjaret]

On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 4:30 PM, dexen deVries dexen.devr...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Sunday 18 September 2011 16:19:28 Mathieu Lonjaret wrote:
 As the description says:
 I found I want to quickly look for something upwards often enough
 that it was getting annoying to have to type :-/ or :? everytime. With
 this I just have to exec Rev in the tag bar to reverse the search
 direction.

 missed that one, thanks. looks good.


 Furthermore, with :-/foobar, you have to go back with your mouse to
 the tag bar where you typed this for every subsequent search.

 that depends. if you first select the whole :-/REGEX with left mouse button
 and then right-click, the cursor remains over the expression and you don't
 have to return to the tag bar.

Ah, yes. scratch my last remark then.

Re: [9fans] Announcing Inferno for Android phones

[Mathieu Lonjaret]

Good to know, thanks!

On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 12:58 PM, Richard Miller 9f...@hamnavoe.com wrote:
 Any idea how much work it would be to adapt that for the nokia n900?

 No need for the android version on maemo - standard hosted
 inferno just works on the n900.  I've been running it for
 quite a while (or was until my pocket was picked in Paris last
 week ☹).  I'll have to go back to my n800 (=n900 without the
 phone part) which also runs standard inferno happily, after a
 small mod to win-x11a (in contrib/miller/inferno/n800).

 N900 is a nice device, but android phones can be a lot cheaper.

Re: [9fans] Announcing Inferno for Android phones

[Mathieu Lonjaret]

Brilliant.
Any idea how much work it would be to adapt that for the nokia n900?
(runs maemo linux as native OS, or an half-assed android -nitdroid-
with some hackery.)

On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 12:32 AM, andrey mirtchovski
mirtchov...@gmail.com wrote:
 this is cool!

 On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 4:23 PM, John Floren j...@jfloren.net wrote:
 We would like to announce the availability of Inferno for Android
 phones. Because our slogan is If it ain't broke, break it, we
 decided to replace the Java stack on Android phones with
 Inferno. We've dubbed it the Hellaphone--it was originally Hellphone,
 to keep with the Inferno theme, but then we realized we're in Northern
 California and the change was obvious.

 The Hellaphone runs Inferno directly on top of the basic Linux layer
 provided by Android. We do not even allow the Java system to
 start. Instead, emu draws directly to the Linux framebuffer (thanks,
 Andrey, for the initial code!) and treats the touchscreen like a
 one-button mouse. Because the Java environment doesn't start, it only
 takes about 10 seconds to go from power off to a fully-booted Inferno
 environment.

 As of today, we have Inferno running on the Nexus S and the Nook
 Color. It should also run on the Android emulator, but we haven't
 tested that in a long time. The cell radio is supported, at least on
 the Nexus S (the only actual phone we've had), so you can make phone
 calls, send texts, and use the data network.

 The Inferno window manager has been re-worked with cell phone use in
 mind. Windows are automatically sized to fill the whole screen. The
 menu has been moved to the top and the menu items have been made
 significantly larger. Physical buttons on the phone are now used to do
 many common tasks:

    (these keys are for the Nexus S, different bindings are used for
 the Nook, which has different keys available)
    * Back: Close the current window
    * Menu: Toggle the onscreen keyboard
    * Home: Minimize the current window
    * Power: Turn off the screen
    * Power+Volume Up: Open the screen brightness widget
    * Power+Volume Down: Turn off the phone
    * Power+Home: Restart Inferno

 Installation is reasonably simple. You'll need the Android SDK
 (http://developer.android.com/sdk/index.html), with the platform-tools
 package installed for the adb and fastboot utilities. We also strongly
 recommend installing CyanogenMod on your phone before
 proceeding--that's what we use to test.

 First, make absolutely sure you have the adb and fastboot
 commands in your path--see the previous paragraph regarding the
 SDK and try running adb to be sure. Download the tarball from
 http://bitbucket.org/floren/inferno/downloads/hellaphone.tgz and
 unpack it in your root. You should end up with a /data/inferno
 directory (we put it there because of the Inferno build
 process). Then, go to the /data/inferno/android directory and run
 the Reflash-Nexus-S.sh script (assuming you have a Nexus S. Run
 Reflash-Nook-Color.sh if you have a Nook). This will
 automatically set up the phone to boot into either Inferno or the
 regular Java environment--during bootup, the screen will go solid
 white; if you touch the screen at this point, it will boot into
 the regular Android environment, otherwise it will timeout and go
 to Inferno. However, at this point you're not yet ready to boot
 into Inferno, so reboot the phone and touch the screen to go into
 the regular Android UI. The final task is to run the command cd
 /data/inferno; ./parallel-push.sh. Reboot, let it boot into
 Inferno, and you're ready to go.

 You can also clone the repository
 (http://bitbucket.org/floren/inferno/) and build it yourself, but this
 is a significant effort. I do not recommend it if you wish to simply
 try the system, but if you want to do development you should get the
 repository.

 Disclaimer: If you break your phone, it's not our fault. Don't email
 us, don't come knocking on our door, and don't call us--oh wait, you
 won't be able to do that anyway, your phone is broken!

 Credit where credit is due: Ron Minnich came up with the initial
 idea--we've been kicking the idea of a Plan 9/Inferno phone around for
 years. Our summer interns, Joel Armstrong and Joshua Landgraf, did the
 lion's share of the work of making Inferno into a usable cell phone
 OS--no small feat, considering that neither had any Limbo or Inferno
 experience before the start of the summer! They re-wrote the UI,
 puzzled out the undocumented cell radio interface, figured out audio,
 worked to make Inferno more portable across phones, and generally
 figured out how to make Inferno and the Android kernel coexist
 peacefully. Andy Jones, another intern, also did some very early work
 with Android that helped us figure out the Android init process and
 how to build for Android. I took care of getting Inferno running on
 the phone in the first place and have been adding things occasionally
 since then. We would also like to thank Andrey Mirtchovski for
 

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 stack limit?

[Mathieu Lonjaret]

maybe slightly relevant:
http://9fans.net/archive/2010/05/446
(see also answers from others as well afterwards).

On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 12:30 AM, Comeau At9Fans comeauat9f...@gmail.com wrote:
 I have an application that is crashing on Plan 9.  Now, it could be a bug in
 the code, but in the past, similar problems with the same code base on other
 platforms have always been caused by the system stack being blown out, and
 in a less rare case, the systems running out of process space.  The crashes
 are happening on 9vx.OSX (which is currently the only place it can be tested
 on our systems).   Does 9vx have any such limitations and/or does Plan 9 in
 general have any such limits?  And if so, can they be changed?   I see some
 of the threading calls have stack size requests possible, but don't see any
 such concerns as a consequence of a fork, though I'm sure fork is
 semantically equivalent to some other calls when all is said and done.
 Like I said, it could be a bug in the code, but I'd like to approach it from
 this level first assuming there is any such interaction that even exists so
 any insights would be appreciated.

 --
 Greg Comeau / 4.3.10.1 with C++0xisms now in beta!
 Comeau C/C++ ONLINE ==     http://www.comeaucomputing.com/tryitout
 World Class Compilers:  Breathtaking C++, Amazing C99, Fabulous C90.
 Comeau C/C++ with Dinkumware's Libraries... Have you tried it?

Re: [9fans] searching in email using imap

[Mathieu Lonjaret]

Neat trick, thanks.

On Sun, Aug 28, 2011 at 12:47 AM, Fazlul Shahriar fshahr...@gmail.com wrote:
 If you're using the p9p mailfs, you can do this:

    echo keyword | 9p rdwr mail/mbox/search

 and it'll print the ids of the matched messages. I don't think an
 interface for this exists in acme Mail.

 fhs

 On Sat, Aug 27, 2011 at 2:55 PM, Rudolf Sykora rudolf.syk...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 Hello,

 when using gmail via web, one
 i) immediately sees what folders/labels they have,
 ii) can search the mail (i.e. also its contents).

 I'd like to know how one can/could obtain this information when using imap.
 I believe (I read it somewhere) that imap has some means to ask the
 server to search the mail...
 (It'd be nice to have such possibility somehow integrated into acme/Mail.)

 Can anybody comment on this?

 Thanks!
 Ruda

Re: [9fans] get the last write offset in p9p acme

[Mathieu Lonjaret]

Ah yes, thx for the tip.

On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 7:03 PM, Russ Cox r...@swtch.com wrote:
 Seems fine to me.
 You can shorten to w.Addr(,)

[9fans] get the last write offset in p9p acme

[Mathieu Lonjaret]

Hi,

After I've written a bunch of lines in an acme win ( with (w *Win)
Write(body,...), I need to know (and save) the position of the last
char I've written.
I need that position because I want everything I write afterwards to
be written there, and not appended. (constantly overwriting the last
thing that was written).

So the silly trick I've used to get that position is to first select
the whole text and then get the address of the end of the selection,
as the following:

err = w.Addr(%s, #0,)
if err != nil {
return err
}
_, pos, err := w.ReadAddr()

Is there a more direct way?

Thanks,
Mathieu

Re: [9fans] mail client; general question web vs command

[Mathieu Lonjaret]

On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 8:38 PM, Rudolf Sykora rudolf.syk...@gmail.com wrote:
 cd src/cmd/upas/nfs
 mk install
 factotum
 factotum -g 'key=somekey proto=pass service=imap
 server=some.imap.server.com user=your_username !password?'
 (it will ask for the pass you want to store for that key)
 mailfs -t some.imap.server.com
 in acme, button-2 exec on Mail -s

 Cheers,
 Mathieu

 Thanks for your answer!
 Anyway, I still haven't succeeded, and have a few questions.

 1) Is nfs (lookman nfs or mailfs returns nothing) a new program
 written for p9p just to be used for an imap connection to some mail
 server?

http://9fans.net/archive/2009/02/415

 2) Do I really have to add the key to factotum or is it enough (for
 testing purposes) to just have it running (and it will ask me for
 whatever is later needed)?

dunno. I suppose it should, I don't remember why I don't proceed like that.
try it and tell us? :)

 3) When I try to use mailfs, I get

 % mailfs -t imap.gmail.com
 /sbin/stunnel exec failed at /usr/sbin/stunnel3 line 39.
 mailfs: imapconnect: no greeting

 and I really do not know what's going on...
 (I have tried to replace stunnel with stunnel3, as mentioned by Fazlul
 Shahriar; but I actually I don't understand the matter.)

what's your distro? have you checked what stunnel packages are available to you?
Isn't your /usr/bin/stunnel a symlink to another one?
also what Fazlul said.

 If you could clarify the situation for me a bit, I'd be appreciative.

 Thanks
 Ruda

[9fans] shell for wins in p9p acme

[Mathieu Lonjaret]

Hi,

what's the best solution if I want all the wins I open in acme to
automatically have rc as a shell (with -l, so that my lib/profile has
been read too), while still keeping bash as my SHELL when I'm out of
acme, for various reasons.
So far I simply have a script/launcher for acme that exports the SHELL
to rc before starting acme, but I still have to source lib/profile
everytime I open a new win, which is a bit annoying.

Of course I could change src/cmd/9term/rcstart.c, but if there's a
less intrusive solution I'd like to hear it please.

Cheers,
Mathieu

Re: [9fans] mail client; general question web vs command

[Mathieu Lonjaret]

I'm not sure I've tried with gmail, I think I did, but a long time ago.
Otherwise it's pretty simple:

cd src/cmd/upas/nfs
mk install
factotum
factotum -g 'key=somekey proto=pass service=imap
server=some.imap.server.com user=your_username !password?'
(it will ask for the pass you want to store for that key)
mailfs -t some.imap.server.com
in acme, button-2 exec on Mail -s

Cheers,
Mathieu

On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 12:42 PM, Rudolf Sykora rudolf.syk...@gmail.com wrote:
 Can anybody point me to some recipe which would get me from a point
 when I have p9p installed to a point when I can read mail from my
 gmail account via imap(s) in p9p acme?

 Well, that's a pity nobody can help :(

 Is there any reason for that man pages of p9p
 http://swtch.com/plan9port/man/
 do not mention neither upas nor mail?
 (So nobody actually uses it today?)

 Also, although some mail program is present,
 /src/cmd/acme/mail
 it is apparently not installed by default?

 [I'm tired of the web interface. I tried mutt, which was easy to set
 up since you can find instructions for this. But I want the acme mail.
 And there seem to be many things `somehow around', but not a coherent
 explanation of how to put the pieces (and which) together...]

 Thanks
 Ruda

Re: [9fans] mail client; general question web vs command

[Mathieu Lonjaret]

gmail wrapped the line; there shouldn't be a break between the service
and the server.

On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 12:54 PM, Mathieu Lonjaret
mathieu.lonja...@gmail.com wrote:
 I'm not sure I've tried with gmail, I think I did, but a long time ago.
 Otherwise it's pretty simple:

 cd src/cmd/upas/nfs
 mk install
 factotum
 factotum -g 'key=somekey proto=pass service=imap
 server=some.imap.server.com user=your_username !password?'
 (it will ask for the pass you want to store for that key)
 mailfs -t some.imap.server.com
 in acme, button-2 exec on Mail -s

 Cheers,
 Mathieu

 On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 12:42 PM, Rudolf Sykora rudolf.syk...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 Can anybody point me to some recipe which would get me from a point
 when I have p9p installed to a point when I can read mail from my
 gmail account via imap(s) in p9p acme?

 Well, that's a pity nobody can help :(

 Is there any reason for that man pages of p9p
 http://swtch.com/plan9port/man/
 do not mention neither upas nor mail?
 (So nobody actually uses it today?)

 Also, although some mail program is present,
 /src/cmd/acme/mail
 it is apparently not installed by default?

 [I'm tired of the web interface. I tried mutt, which was easy to set
 up since you can find instructions for this. But I want the acme mail.
 And there seem to be many things `somehow around', but not a coherent
 explanation of how to put the pieces (and which) together...]

 Thanks
 Ruda

Re: [9fans] mail client; general question web vs command

[Mathieu Lonjaret]

Btw, for those who don't know yet, I have a version here with
threading for p9p acme Mail:
https://bitbucket.org/mpl/acmemail-with-sort-by-thread/overview
nothing fancy but it suits my needs well enough.

On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 10:14 PM, Jacob Todd jaketodd...@gmail.com wrote:
 Acme has Mail. It doesn't do threading like mutt or anything, but it works.

Re: [9fans] Compiling 9atom kernel WAS: Re: spaces in filenames

[Mathieu Lonjaret]

 In Brian Kernighan's sentence, s/cleverly/sophisticatedly/ (this is
 probably a barbarism, but in french sophistiqué is pejorative:
 obfuscation, convoluted etc.).

Sorry, but it's not. it just means complex, and is not usually
employed to make any value judgment.
Just look it up in any dictionary.

Re: [9fans] 9vx: one less version to care about

[Mathieu Lonjaret]

brilliant. thanks to both for that.
---BeginMessage---
My 9vx tree and ron's one are exactly the same now. Ron has write
access to my repo now, which will be used for development from now on,
while the one at bitbucket.org/rminnich/vx32 will be more stable and
the only one most users will have to worry about.

I hope this helps to avoid some of the confussion generated by having
many similar-but-different 9vx versions around.


-- 
- yiyus || JGL .
---End Message---

[9fans] problem with rminnich's 9vx

[Mathieu Lonjaret]

Hi all, 

this is probably trivial; this is what I get when trying to start 9vx:

Warning! factotum can't protect itself from debugging: '#p/5' file does not 
exist
init: warning: can't open #p/2/ctl: '#p/2' file does not exist

init: starting /bin/rc
FAILED
Warning! auth/factotum can't protect itself from debugging: '#p/64' file does 
not exist
rio: can't open display: initdisplay: /dev/draw/new: no frame buffer
init: rc exit status: rio 9: display open

init: starting /bin/rc
#d/0: rc: .: can't open: '#d/0' file does not exist
init: rc exit status: rc 67: error

init: starting /bin/rc
#d/0: rc: .: can't open: '#d/0' file does not exist
init: rc exit status: rc 68: error

this last error keeps on repeating.
as a plan 9 tree I'm using the same old one that I kept using with rsc's
9vx (minimal tree provided by rsc, and later filled with more plan 9
stuff), could that be the issue? if yes, what do you guys for a tree
with ron's 9vx?

uname -a:
Linux 2.6.32-30-generic #59-Ubuntu SMP Tue Mar 1 21:30:46 UTC 2011 x86_64 
GNU/Linux

Cheers,
mathieu

Re: [9fans] problem with rminnich's 9vx

[Mathieu Lonjaret]

Nothing remote or fancy here, just starting 9vx locally (-u glenda -r
plan9vx) after having built it.
However, it is a 64 bits linux and I haven't done anything special or
set any flag when building (cd src; make; make install). Should I?

On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 11:18 AM, Noah Evans noah.ev...@gmail.com wrote:
 I've seen this behavior before, once using 9vx on a remote xsession
 and once when using strace on a (broken) 9vx that was compiled for
 32bit on a 64bit linux. Are there any mitigating factors that could be
 causing your problem?

 Noah



 On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 11:00 AM, Mathieu Lonjaret
 mathieu.lonja...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi all,

 this is probably trivial; this is what I get when trying to start 9vx:

 Warning! factotum can't protect itself from debugging: '#p/5' file does not 
 exist
 init: warning: can't open #p/2/ctl: '#p/2' file does not exist

 init: starting /bin/rc
 FAILED
 Warning! auth/factotum can't protect itself from debugging: '#p/64' file 
 does not exist
 rio: can't open display: initdisplay: /dev/draw/new: no frame buffer
 init: rc exit status: rio 9: display open

 init: starting /bin/rc
 #d/0: rc: .: can't open: '#d/0' file does not exist
 init: rc exit status: rc 67: error

 init: starting /bin/rc
 #d/0: rc: .: can't open: '#d/0' file does not exist
 init: rc exit status: rc 68: error

 this last error keeps on repeating.
 as a plan 9 tree I'm using the same old one that I kept using with rsc's
 9vx (minimal tree provided by rsc, and later filled with more plan 9
 stuff), could that be the issue? if yes, what do you guys for a tree
 with ron's 9vx?

 uname -a:
 Linux 2.6.32-30-generic #59-Ubuntu SMP Tue Mar 1 21:30:46 UTC 2011 x86_64 
 GNU/Linux

 Cheers,
 mathieu

Re: [9fans] problem with rminnich's 9vx

[Mathieu Lonjaret]

Good call; yours starts without a problem, thanks.

On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 11:47 AM, yy yiyu@gmail.com wrote:
 ron's 9vx and mine are compiled differently in 64bits systems, so you
 can try mine and see if there is any difference, but I don't really
 know. I don't have any x86_64 system I can use to test 9vx, so please
 let me know if things get better (or worse). If you don't want to
 download the whole vx32 tree again you can just rollback the last
 changes by ron and compile that, the result will be the same.

 what do you guys for a tree
 with ron's 9vx?

 For testing, I always use a plan9.iso file (a full tree can solve some
 problems but I don't think it will solve yours). When I need write
 permissions I use a kfs file I filled with the contents of the iso.


 --
 - yiyus || JGL .

Re: [9fans] problem with rminnich's 9vx

[Mathieu Lonjaret]

Well, since Ron's tree is based on Yiyus', and Ron's doesn't have that
patch, I think that means Yiyus' doesn't have it either. And yet,
Yiyus' works for me, so I doubt this bug was the culprit for me. More
like a 64 bits issue as Yiyus mentionned earlier, no?

On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 5:06 PM, Christoph Lohmann 2...@r-36.net wrote:
 Hello,

 Mathieu Lonjaret wrote:

 this last error keeps on repeating.
 as a plan 9 tree I'm using the same old one that I kept using with rsc's
 9vx (minimal tree provided by rsc, and later filled with more plan 9
 stuff), could that be the issue? if yes, what do you guys for a tree
 with ron's 9vx?

 the bug is easy to solve [0]. Ron didn't integrate my patch
 for this one for a long time, so I started my own repository
 of 9vx.

 I tried to solve the problem by resolving all sprint() occur-
 ences in the Plan 9 kernel and that way in 9vx too. The patch
 wasn't accepted; sprint() needs to be fixed.


 Sincerely,

 Christoph Lohmann

 [0]
 http://git.r-36.net/vx32/commit/?id=d6e5c080a23fcb914b740db48573305f3712eba0

Re: [9fans] problem with rminnich's 9vx

[Mathieu Lonjaret]

On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 6:09 PM, ron minnich rminn...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 8:42 AM, Mathieu Lonjaret
 mathieu.lonja...@gmail.com wrote:
 Well, since Ron's tree is based on Yiyus', and Ron's doesn't have that
 patch, I think that means Yiyus' doesn't have it either. And yet,
 Yiyus' works for me, so I doubt this bug was the culprit for me. More
 like a 64 bits issue as Yiyus mentionned earlier, no?

 well, actually, it's more like yiyus forked mine long ago and then we
 trade patches ... so it's not clear what's going on here. Did you look
 to see if yiyus took that patch?

Yes I looked, it doesn't have it.
https://bitbucket.org/yiyus/vx32/src/398d27a1f253/src/9vx/a/fmt.c

 I run 9vx on 64-bit boxes all the time. One thing I do know is that
 ubuntu keeps adding things to the libraries and compiler, so: what
 version of ubuntu?

10.04.2

 I tend to trust Christoph's diagnosis on this one but ...

and you were right to, because I've just tried it and it also works.
so both yours with Christoph's patch and yiyus's without it do, 2
different ways to fix the problem. :)

[9fans] xplor on plan 9

[Mathieu Lonjaret]

Hi all,

Since a couple peeps asked for it, here it is:
https://bitbucket.org/mpl/xplor9/overview

I ported it quick and dumb, so it's probably as inefficient/slow as
the go version, and it's barely tested, so it might be leaky as well.

it misses a few feats and I intend to fix a few corner cases as well
later, but it is already usable imho (only tested on 9vx). So please
do try it if you're interested, and send patches to fix its uglyness
;)

Cheers,
Mathieu

Re: [9fans] anybody figured out a way to use acme as graphical merging tool for hg?

[Mathieu Lonjaret]

Hello,

Maybe that would help, as a starting point?

http://9fans.net/archive/2009/06/138

mathieu
---BeginMessage---
Hi all

As I believe there a few hg users here. I was wondering if anybody has
a way to use acme to resolve merge conflicts by showing the diffs in
different panes.

fernan
---End Message---

[9fans] new commands in xplor

[Mathieu Lonjaret]

Hello,

for those interested, I've added two new commands to xplor: Win and Xplor.

Win opens a new acme win with an rc, and Xplor obviously a new win
with an xplor.
By default they open by default at the root of the current xplor, but
the neat thing is you can chord 2-1 on them and they'll open at
whatever location your cursor points at in the current xplor.

I needed Win because I was tired to cd back and forth between
different locations far away from each other, I find it's nicer to
open new wins from xplor.
The Xplor one is kindof for the same reason but also to compensate for
the slowness of xplor with big directories (the reason for that is I'm
doing all the path lookups by going up the text, as there is no real
tree structure behind the scenes, so the further down the list a file
is, the slower it gets). Opening a new xplor with the root set to the
directory you're interested in allows for faster lookups in there.

Comments very welcome.

https://bitbucket.org/mpl/xplor

Cheers,
Mathieu

Re: [9fans] latest minicluster: ARM fun

[Mathieu Lonjaret]

And it even makes a very decent christmas tree, with all the pretty lights! ;)

On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 6:56 PM, ron minnich rminn...@gmail.com wrote:
 Here is our latest minicluster design.

 We used the gumstix stagecoach.

 It's nice, 196 Ovaros in a box. We had a number of failed attempts on
 an enclosure design:
 http://picasaweb.google.com/rminnich/Strongbox?authkey=Gv1sRgCI6PwZXM57iZ8gE#

 That was my first design, it was really quite compact and fun, and it
 was a huge pain to assemble. It hit the basic high points however: 7
 nodes per stagecoach, 7 stagecoaches per shelf, a switch per shelf
 that reduced the outgoing enet cables to one. Power was a huge issue;
 5V 80A per shelf, which was not fun. 10 GA wires never are.

 I know at least some people on this list know Mitch Williams. He came
 up with this:
 http://picasaweb.google.com/rminnich/StrongboxAtSC10?authkey=Gv1sRgCJbWpcfci73HxwE#
 It's quite elegant: self-contained shelves, with power supply,
 Rigrunner for fuses,
 continues the use of an 8-port switch per shelf, so each shelf has one
 120V power cable and one enet cable coming out.

 Plan 9 is in the works. This is a nice test and development platform
 for software. We're going to make the design available in a way that
 people can easily build their own.

 ron

Re: [9fans] Why not work for a company based on Plan 9?

[Mathieu Lonjaret]

Hello,

another one which might be a FAQ:
Do you require applicants to be from the USA, or are you ok with ppl
from the old continent (or anywhere else for that matter) ?

Cheers,
Mathieu
---BeginMessage---
hi guys,

as most on this list know, coraid makes storage devices that use plan 9 as the 
software platform.  we also use it as our primary development environment.  we 
still run a ken file server here.  plan 9 is fundamental to our vision.  coraid 
has become a hot silicon valley property and we are about to start another 
round of hiring developers.  i knew it would be a disservice to this mailing 
list if i didn't make an announcement here.

developers, qa, and support folks can work either in redwood city, ca or 
athens, ga.  there are the usual up and coming silicon valley startup stock 
options.  and in athens, you don't have to pay those silicon valley prices for 
housing and beer.  athens is very affordable on both these counts, especially 
the beer as anyone who attended the 2009 iwp9 will attest.

i hope we're creating a place that i would have wanted to work.  it's not every 
place that you can work with plan 9, get paid for it and participate in a high 
potential start-up.

please send resume's to me.

brantley

---End Message---

[9fans] fOSSa

[Mathieu Lonjaret]

Hi,

Will anyone here be attending fOSSa?
(http://fossa2010.inrialpes.fr/)
I'm afraid it doesn't look very interesting from a technical pov...

Mathieu

Re: [9fans] IBM Research Internship Position Available

[Mathieu Lonjaret]

Hello, 

when would the job start?

mathieu
---BeginMessage---
6 month posting for graduate students only to work on the DOE HARE
project (http://is.gd/foRdS)
This is the third and last year of funding, so don't miss out on a
great opportunity to work on Plan 9
on one of the largest supercomputers on the planet.

Job posting is here: http://is.gd/foQOS

  -eric
---End Message---

[9fans] [OT] CSP in fortran ?

[Mathieu Lonjaret]

Hi all,

A bit offtopic, but since I know some HPC and/or csp pros are reading
9fans...

I have to work on a piece of fortran code to break it into pieces that
would run concurrently (à priori SPMD kind) , typically on a multicore
machine, not really on a big HPC cluster. One of the requirements is
to bring the least amount of modifications to the current code (for
maintainability).

I was hoping to find a fortran lib similar to p9p libthread, but not
much luck so far. Does anyone know of something like that?
I have started tackling it with CoArrays (http://www.co-array.org/),
and I'm going to try with MPI next. What would you guys recommend between
the two for that kind of problem?

Thanks,
Mathieu

Re: [9fans] [OT] CSP in fortran ?

[Mathieu Lonjaret]

I was about to :)
From what I read I see no advantage over Co-Array for what I want to
do though...

thanks,
mathieu
---BeginMessage---
I don't like it very much but ... have you looked at openmp? (NOT
openmpi, openmp)

ron
---End Message---

Re: [9fans] alt and chanfree

[Mathieu Lonjaret]

I haven't tried chanclose() yet, but setting to nil the freed chan in the
alt entry is not really what I wanted since it will make alt() return -1
(better than crashing but not ideal).
In any case I found a satisfying workaround in my algorithm to solve that:
when a thread is done using a chan, I keep track of it instead of calling
chanfree(), and instead of allocating a new chan/alt when creating a new
thread, I simply reuse one of the previously abandonned ones (if any
is available). And I'll just free them all when the program terminates.

Thanks to all,
Mathieu
---BeginMessage---
  isn't that what chanclose()/chanclosing() is for?
 
  - erik
 
 
 
 Not at all. Chanclose and chanclosing are to be used while the channel
 still exists.
 A closed channel is not a freed channel. Close/closing are useful for
 synchronizing the cleanup
 but no other operation should be done on a channel after it has been
 freed because
 the channel no longer exists.

of course i ment using chanclose as the first step.  the
thread running the alt can free the closed channel.

- erik
---End Message---

Re: [9fans] alt and chanfree

[Mathieu Lonjaret]

Ah indeed, thank you.
---BeginMessage---
On 15 September 2010 09:15, Mathieu Lonjaret mathieu.lonja...@gmail.com wrote:
 I haven't tried chanclose() yet, but setting to nil the freed chan in the
 alt entry is not really what I wanted since it will make alt() return -1
 (better than crashing but not ideal).

it wouldn't return -1 (assuming there are at least some valid channels
in the alt array) if you set the op to CHANNOP as well as setting c
to nil.
---End Message---

[9fans] alt and chanfree

[Mathieu Lonjaret]

Hi all,

I'm doing something like the following to synchronize a bunch of
coroutines.
Everything goes fine while the different threads are working (and are
regularly sending over their respective channel). However, as soon as
one terminates and calls chanfree(), the next call to alt() fails (as
in I get a pagefault message). I can tell because if I never call
chanfree() I never hit that error.
Now in this simplified version I haven't shown that I in fact actually
dynamically reorganize the Alt * (adding/removing an Alt everytime a
caller starts/terminates) so it's totally possible I messed up there.

Before I dig deeper to find out what I'm doing wrong in my Alt *, 
I wanted to make sure that I'm globally doing the right thing, i.e. if
it's ok and even recommended to free the Channel as soon as the thread
that was sending on it does not need it anymore. 
Can anyone please confirm that?

Thanks,
Mathieu

static void
caller(void *arg)
{
struct Params{ Torrent *tor; Peer *peer; Channel *c;} *params;
uchar chanmsg[1];

params = arg;
// in callerworks() we send() on params-c at various points to 
synchronize, all goes well.
callerworks(params-tor, params-peer, params-c);
chanmsg[0] = 0;
send(params-c, chanmsg);
// peer is done working now
chanfree(params-c);
}

void
callers(void *arg)
{
Torrent *tor = arg;
Peer *peer;
uchar m[1];
int i;
int n;
Alt *a;
struct Params{Torrent *tor; Peer *peer; Channel *c;} *params;

a = emalloc((MAXPEERS+1)*sizeof(Alt));
for (i = 0; iMAXPEERS; i++){
a[i].v = m;
a[i].c = chancreate(sizeof(m), 0);
a[i].op = CHANRCV;

// prepare params for the thread
peer = emalloc(sizeof(Peer));
params = emalloc(sizeof(struct Params));
params-tor = tor;
params-peer = peer;
params-c = a[i].c;
threadcreate(caller, params, STACK);
}
a[MAXPEERS].v = nil;
a[MAXPEERS].c = nil;
a[MAXPEERS].op = CHANEND;

for(;;){
n = alt(a);
if(n  0)
error(with alt);

if (m[0] == 0){
// a caller has terminated
dosomestuff()
}
}
}

Re: [9fans] alt and chanfree

[Mathieu Lonjaret]

That's exactly the sense of my question, thanks.
I didn't see in the man page if I should do that sort of cleaning up or
not, it just says that the channel can be freed from either side. so I
wasn't sure in what state alt() is expecting the Alt entries to be at
all time.

I'll try it out later today, thanks.

Cheers,
Mathieu
---BeginMessage---
On 14 September 2010 09:57, Mathieu Lonjaret mathieu.lonja...@gmail.com wrote:
        for(;;){
                n = alt(a);
                if(n  0)
                        error(with alt);

                if (m[0] == 0){
                        // a caller has terminated
                        dosomestuff()

shouldn't you nil out the appropriate part of the alt
array here? i.e. a[n].c = nil
otherwise you'll be alting on a freed chan which
must be bad.
---End Message---

Re: [9fans] alt and chanfree

[Mathieu Lonjaret]

Maybe. Lookman gives me nothing, which page is it please?

Mathieu
---BeginMessage---
On Tue Sep 14 06:11:35 EDT 2010, mathieu.lonja...@gmail.com wrote:

 That's exactly the sense of my question, thanks.
 I didn't see in the man page if I should do that sort of cleaning up or
 not, it just says that the channel can be freed from either side. so I
 wasn't sure in what state alt() is expecting the Alt entries to be at
 all time.

isn't that what chanclose()/chanclosing() is for?

- erik
---End Message---

Re: [9fans] alt and chanfree

[Mathieu Lonjaret]

Ah, I indeed use an old iso with 9vx, that might be it.

thanks,
Mathieu
---BeginMessage---
On Tue Sep 14 09:28:48 EDT 2010, mathieu.lonja...@gmail.com wrote:

 Maybe. Lookman gives me nothing, which page is it please?
 

thread(2).  you may have to update your thread library/man pages.
chanclosing is recent.

- erik
---End Message---

Re: [9fans] anonymous pro -- a programming font

[Mathieu Lonjaret]

Hello,

how about on p9p acme, do I have to convert them in any way before I
can use them there? if yes, how?

Cheers,
Mathieu
---BeginMessage---
On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 3:56 PM, andrey mirtchovski
mirtchov...@gmail.com wrote:
 seems to fit nicely with acme and rio. looks better antialiased than
 not. let me know if you want it in size 14, of use ttf2subf yourselves
 if you like it:

 http://www.ms-studio.com/FontSales/anonymouspro.html

 not a terribly good unicode coverage.


I tried rolling my own, but ran into problems:
cpu% ttf2subf -m antialias -r rgb 'Anonymous Pro.ttf' anon 12
FT_Glyph_Transform: status=18

Sizes 8 and 9 work, as does 14, but 10-13 give that same error. 14 is
almost small enough to use, but I'd prefer something around 12, I
think.

John
-- 
With MPI, familiarity breeds contempt. Contempt and nausea. Contempt,
nausea, and fear. Contempt, nausea, fear, and .. -- Ron Minnich
---End Message---

Re: [9fans] anonymous pro -- a programming font

[Mathieu Lonjaret]

Brilliant, thank you.

Re: [9fans] plan9 on SL-C3100

[Mathieu Lonjaret]

Cute.
So how do you handle mouse/chording in, say acme, on that thing? Does it
have a touchscreen or is it too old for that?

Re: [9fans] Wasn't there an mplayer port?

[Mathieu Lonjaret]

and to illustrate that point:
http://ninetimes.cat-v.org/news/2009/09/07/0-mplayer9/

On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 12:10 AM, Akshat Kumar
aku...@mail.nanosouffle.net wrote:
 Are you talking about playing mplayer in linuxemu?
 It's obviously in linux, and certainly do-able in
 linuxemu (thanks to cinap!)

 On Sat, Jul 10, 2010 at 2:35 PM, Ethan Grammatikidis
 eeke...@fastmail.fm wrote:
 I was sure I once ran mplayer under Plan 9, but when I told jumzi it
 existed, jumzi ran a search on contrib and came up with nothing. Am I
 imagining the mplayer port?

[9fans] unknown error message

[Mathieu Lonjaret]

Hello,

I doubt it will help me debug my problems but out of curiosity, can
anyone tell me where this assertion is coming from please? Even better,
if you have a clue about what I was doing wrong at this point ;)

15014.35 a  t-size  t-size  b: assertion failed
btfs 15014: suicide: sys: trap: page fault pc=0x0001079b

Cheers,
Mathieu

[9fans] Xplor, a tree viewed files explorer for p9p acme

[Mathieu Lonjaret]

Hello,

If you are an acme fan and you have to write some java for a living,
then xplor might help you deal (a bit better than the default dir view
in acme) with the madness that is the organisation of the java
packages.  That was the motivation for it anyway.

http://bitbucket.org/mpl/xplor

Obviously there's some room for improvement, especially since my sam
address-foo is weak and this is my first go program.  So please do
send comments, suggestions and bug reports/fixes.

Cheers,
Mathieu

Re: [9fans] Acme Mail

[Mathieu Lonjaret]

I had only replied to the OP because I didn't think other people could
be interested, and I had announced it a while ago already, but here goes
again, just in case.

I patched p9p acme Mail to have a sort by conversation/subject
(http://codereview.appspot.com/264043/show), so if what you want is being
able to delete a bunch of messages with the same subject it's very easy
to do in one mouse swipe once they're all grouped together by this sort.

Of course that does not really help with spam because they won't have
the same subject, only similar ones all matching viagra, as in your
example.

I've been using it the whole time since then, no issue so far.

Hope that helps,
Mathieu
---BeginMessage---
On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 8:42 AM, Skip Tavakkolian 9...@9netics.com wrote:
 i was wrong; it doesn't work. Put doesn't actually delete the messages. i 
 think
 this will require mods to /acme/mail/src/mail.c

we had a back and forth a long time ago about this. I wanted a way to
match a subject and delete all messages on that subject. There was no
apparent way.

the conclusion was that we needed a way to say middle button action
in a command line. Russ kindly offered to take a patch if someone
would write it.

So we could say something like
x/viagra/whatever
where whatever corresponded to 'middle-button-Del' or some such.

You can't just change what's in the window AFAIK. That's a reflection
of state, not the state itself.

ron
---End Message---

[9fans] thread STACK size

[Mathieu Lonjaret]

Hi all,

A while ago, while working on btfs, I stumbled upon some sort of
overflow (http://9fans.net/archive/2009/07/77) which was in fact due
to the thread STACK being too small (and hence if I understood
correctly things would get written out of it, in the heap).
To be on the safe side, I have it set to 16384 now, but as I think I'm
getting near something usable with btfs, I'd like to go back to a more
fitting value.  I think it's pretty important to have it as low as
possible since the number of threads/coroutines will grow linearly
with the number of peers connected (to be honest, I don't even know if
that can even scale in terms of memory use).

So the question is, how can I evualuate what's the minimal value I can
set that to without getting into trouble again?  Is there anything
smarter than just trial and error?

Thanks,
Mathieu

Re: [9fans] custom-built plan9 iso?

[Mathieu Lonjaret]

As far as I am concerned:
http://9fans.net/archive/2008/05/263

and here's maht's blog entry about it:
http://maht0x0r.blogspot.com/2007/11/roll-your-own-plan9-iso.html

hth,
Mathieu
---BeginMessage---

Quite a while back, I recall someone was inquiring whether there was any
documentation/notes available with regards to the process of creating one's
own customized plan 9 iso - or related documentation detailing how the
official iso/distro is built.  If I remember correctly, there were a couple
responses that provided links to these docs... but I'm unable to find the
thread in question. Anyone know where I could find such info?

---End Message---

Re: [9fans] 3-button mouse

[Mathieu Lonjaret]

Hello,

Just one comment about the vertical Evoluent mouse (I bought one a few
months ago since Russ recommended them).

It can be pretty hard to get used to it. I had to force myself to try
it several times before I could stand using it. I think the main
reason is because you apply horizontal pressure when clicking and that
can make the pointer move unvoluntarily on your part. That gets pretty
annoying when it makes you fail at your chordings and you have some
code to produce.
Now I'm starting to really like it; I'd say one gets past the
annoyance if you manage to keep using it for a full day without
throwing it away for another mouse. In fact I'd recommend trying it
and starting to use it on day when it's not so important to be
efficient and you can afford to loose a bit of time to it. Sounds like
common sense now, but I think it's particularly true with that mouse.

Cheers,
Mathieu

Re: [9fans] 9vx and ubuntu 10.04LTS

[Mathieu Lonjaret]

Not that I know of.  it's a lucid lynx install I did when it was still
in beta and I haven't kept it up to date since then, so maybe that's
where the difference lies.
How do I check if that fix you're speaking of is installed or not?

Cheers,
Mathieu
---BeginMessage---
The update to 10.04 has overloaded my email with messages from ubuntu's dosemu 
forum. Basically the same issue as with 9vx. A fix [sic] is suggested. So, 
question is:

On Sat, 1 May 2010 23:36:08 +0200
Mathieu Lonjaret mathieu.lonja...@gmail.com wrote:

 Fwiw, 9vx does build and run fine on 10.04 here.
 Lemme know if I can give you some relevant info which might help.
 
 Cheers,
 Mathieu
 

Mathieu: have you perhaps applied the fix to run some emulator, and it's 
fixing 9vx?
-- 
sixforty s...@sixforty.net
---End Message---

Re: [9fans] du and find

[Mathieu Lonjaret]

Hello,

just because reviving old threads is fun...
I've just found out about this:

http://betterthangrep.com/

it does not seem to work out of the box (expecting some unix paths), but
since there's a perl port and that thing is supposed to be more or
less self contained (for the standalone version), maybe it's not too
much work for someone interested enough.

Cheers,
Mathieu

Re: [9fans] du and find

[Mathieu Lonjaret]

No idea, probably none. 

that would not be the interesting point, if any.  it's just that the
tool is already there and (should be) simpler to use than piping
various commands around, as they illustrate below.
---BeginMessage---
From the website:

ack is written purely in Perl, and takes advantage
of the power of Perl's regular expressions.

Forgive my ignorance and irrelevance to this topic,
but what are the advantages of Perl's regular
expressions, over the implementation we have
currently in Plan 9?


Thanks,
ak

On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 5:13 AM, Mathieu Lonjaret
mathieu.lonja...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hello,

 just because reviving old threads is fun...
 I've just found out about this:

 http://betterthangrep.com/

 it does not seem to work out of the box (expecting some unix paths), but
 since there's a perl port and that thing is supposed to be more or
 less self contained (for the standalone version), maybe it's not too
 much work for someone interested enough.

 Cheers,
 Mathieu



---End Message---

Re: [9fans] 9vx and ubuntu 10.04LTS

[Mathieu Lonjaret]

Fwiw, 9vx does build and run fine on 10.04 here.
Lemme know if I can give you some relevant info which might help.

Cheers,
Mathieu
---BeginMessage---
% ldd 9vx.Linux # old
...
% ldd 9vx   # new

note that `old' is run on an existing 9.04 (2.6.28-18-generic), which works,
and `new' is the 10.04 (2.6.32-21-generic), which doesn't.
---End Message---

Re: [9fans] using acme/Mail from plan9port in Linux

[Mathieu Lonjaret]

Hello,

if you haven't done so yet, you need to edit the
$PLAN9/mail/lib/rewrite file like that:

# send all mail to the gateway or mail server, $smtp,  for delivery
([^!]*)!(.*)|   $PLAN9/mail/lib/qmail '\s' 'xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx' 
'\...@\1'

where xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx is the ip address of your smtp.  I think once I
had some resolution problem, that's why I set it by ip here instead of
by name.  Works fine enough so I never bothered to do it by name
afterwards.

hth,
Mathieu
---BeginMessage---
I configured mailfs so now I can read email, thanks.
But writing mail is not going so well:

$ cat $PLAN9/log/smtp.fail
myhost Mar 23 11:21:44 bad network /net/net!my.smtp.server!smtp (my.smtp.server)
myhost Mar 23 11:28:06 bad network /net/net!my.smtp.server!smtp (my.smtp.server)
myhost Mar 23 11:34:20 bad network /net/net!my.smtp.server!smtp (my.smtp.server)

after using marshal to send messages. The file
$PLAN9/mail/queue/hugo/E.XX contains a very similar error

smtp: bad network /net/net!my.smtp.server!smtp (my.smtp.server)

I've been playing around with files inside $PLAN9/mail/lib but no
success so far. Any tips are welcome! :-)

2009/11/21 Mathieu Lonjaret mathieu.lonja...@gmail.com:
 On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 10:33 PM, Lorenzo Bolla lbo...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi all,
 can anyone point me to a document (if any) that explains how to use
 acme/Mail to read e-mail in Linux?
 I couldn't find any useful information in the plan9port distribution and it
 does not work out-of-the-box.
 Thanks for your help!
 L.

 1) build and install mailfs
 cd $PLAN9/src/cmd/upas/
 mk install
 cd nfs
 mk install

 2) configuration
 cd $PLAN9/log; chmod 666 smtp smtp.debug smtp.fail mail smtp
smtp.debug smtp.fail mail
 cd $PLAN9/mail/lib
 edit rewrite
 optionnally edit remotemail

 3) authentication
 factotum
 factotum -g 'proto=pass service=imap server=your.imap.server
 user=you_there !password?'

 4) run it!
 mailfs -t your.imap.server (-t is for tls)
 button 2 exec on  'Mail' in acme (without the quotes)
 (you need the plumber running for everything to work as expected in acme)

 hth,
 Mathieu





-- 
Hugo
---End Message---

Re: [9fans] using acme/Mail from plan9port in Linux

[Mathieu Lonjaret]

Nope, I hardly ever tried nedmail. Others like Erik might know.

jsyk, saving a message is dead easy from acme Mail, you just middle
click on Save imapfoldername ;) (assuming the imap folder already
exists)

Cheers,
Mathieu
---BeginMessage---
Great! now it works. Thank you very much; you answered in the exact
moment, otherwise frustration would have been too great :-)
One last thing (I hope): when I'm reading the mail on my imap server
with nedmail, and I want to save a message, I get

: 3 w /tmp/3
!message disappeared

and nothing gets written. Do you have any idea what's causing this?
and even better, how to solve it :-)

2010/3/23 Mathieu Lonjaret mathieu.lonja...@gmail.com:
 Hello,

 if you haven't done so yet, you need to edit the
 $PLAN9/mail/lib/rewrite file like that:

 # send all mail to the gateway or mail server, $smtp,  for delivery
 ([^!]*)!(.*)    |       $PLAN9/mail/lib/qmail '\s' 'xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx' 
 '\...@\1'

 where xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx is the ip address of your smtp.  I think once I
 had some resolution problem, that's why I set it by ip here instead of
 by name.  Works fine enough so I never bothered to do it by name
 afterwards.

 hth,
 Mathieu


 -- Mensaje reenviado --
 From: hugo rivera uai...@gmail.com
 To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs 9fans@9fans.net
 Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 12:18:56 +0100
 Subject: Re: [9fans] using acme/Mail from plan9port in Linux
 I configured mailfs so now I can read email, thanks.
 But writing mail is not going so well:

 $ cat $PLAN9/log/smtp.fail
 myhost Mar 23 11:21:44 bad network /net/net!my.smtp.server!smtp 
 (my.smtp.server)
 myhost Mar 23 11:28:06 bad network /net/net!my.smtp.server!smtp 
 (my.smtp.server)
 myhost Mar 23 11:34:20 bad network /net/net!my.smtp.server!smtp 
 (my.smtp.server)

 after using marshal to send messages. The file
 $PLAN9/mail/queue/hugo/E.XX contains a very similar error

 smtp: bad network /net/net!my.smtp.server!smtp (my.smtp.server)

 I've been playing around with files inside $PLAN9/mail/lib but no
 success so far. Any tips are welcome! :-)

 2009/11/21 Mathieu Lonjaret mathieu.lonja...@gmail.com:
 On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 10:33 PM, Lorenzo Bolla lbo...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi all,
 can anyone point me to a document (if any) that explains how to use
 acme/Mail to read e-mail in Linux?
 I couldn't find any useful information in the plan9port distribution and it
 does not work out-of-the-box.
 Thanks for your help!
 L.

 1) build and install mailfs
 cd $PLAN9/src/cmd/upas/
 mk install
 cd nfs
 mk install

 2) configuration
 cd $PLAN9/log; chmod 666 smtp smtp.debug smtp.fail mail smtp
smtp.debug smtp.fail mail
 cd $PLAN9/mail/lib
 edit rewrite
 optionnally edit remotemail

 3) authentication
 factotum
 factotum -g 'proto=pass service=imap server=your.imap.server
 user=you_there !password?'

 4) run it!
 mailfs -t your.imap.server (-t is for tls)
 button 2 exec on  'Mail' in acme (without the quotes)
 (you need the plumber running for everything to work as expected in acme)

 hth,
 Mathieu





 --
 Hugo





-- 
Hugo
---End Message---

Re: [9fans] tiny rio hack: Delete

[Mathieu Lonjaret]

I knew about that patch but I wanted to change the least possible to
the original code. 

I think cinap is the one who did the pie menus btw.
---BeginMessage---
 [...] it has happened to me too often to select [delete] by mistake
 and to delete a window afterwards before I realized my mistake.

there is a patch on sources that allows you to change rio's linear menus
into pie menus. this allows you to associate the desired action with a
mouse gesture rather than requiring you to either remember the menu state
or to always look carefully at what you're doing. since i began using pie
menus with rio, my rate of absent-minded window loss has sharply dropped


satisfaction guaranteed. and thank you to whoever wrote the patch---End Message---

[9fans] tiny rio hack: Delete

[Mathieu Lonjaret]

Hello,

if you have been bitten one too many times by Delete on rio, here's one
quick fix:

diff -r 7aac02e8704e src/cmd/rio/grab.c
--- a/src/cmd/rio/grab.cSat Feb 06 22:16:46 2010 -0800
+++ b/src/cmd/rio/grab.cTue Feb 09 00:11:33 2010 +0100
@@ -142,7 +142,8 @@
else if(i  0 || i = n)
i = -1;
else
-   m-lasthit = i;
+   if(i != 3)
+   m-lasthit = i;
if(!nobuttons(ev.xbutton))
i = -1;
ungrab(ev.xbutton);

The way the button 3 menu works is the following: the entry selected
by default when you call the menu is the one that was used for the last
time. This change simply disables that behavior when the last operation
was Delete.

I did this because it has happened to me too often to select it by mistake
and to delete a window afterwards before I realized my mistake. I realize
this breaks the generic behavior, but on the other hand Delete is the
only operation that is not always easily reversible, so it didn't bother
me that much to make an exception for this one in the end.

Cheers,
Mathieu

P.S: tested only on p9p, I haven't checked on plan 9. I can do it if
anyone's interested.

Re: [9fans] evoluent mouse review

[Mathieu Lonjaret]

Hello,

I'm thinking of buying such a mouse. Have you found better since you
posted that review? Did you (or anyone else) get a chance to eventually
try the wireless one?

Thanks,
Mathieu

Re: [9fans] using acme/Mail from plan9port in Linux

[Mathieu Lonjaret]

On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 10:33 PM, Lorenzo Bolla lbo...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi all,
 can anyone point me to a document (if any) that explains how to use
 acme/Mail to read e-mail in Linux?
 I couldn't find any useful information in the plan9port distribution and it
 does not work out-of-the-box.
 Thanks for your help!
 L.

1) build and install mailfs
cd $PLAN9/src/cmd/upas/
mk install
cd nfs
mk install

2) configuration
cd $PLAN9/log; chmod 666 smtp smtp.debug smtp.fail mail smtp
smtp.debug smtp.fail mail
cd $PLAN9/mail/lib
edit rewrite
optionnally edit remotemail

3) authentication
factotum
factotum -g 'proto=pass service=imap server=your.imap.server
user=you_there !password?'

4) run it!
mailfs -t your.imap.server (-t is for tls)
button 2 exec on  'Mail' in acme (without the quotes)
(you need the plumber running for everything to work as expected in acme)

hth,
Mathieu

Re: [9fans] acme bug?

[Mathieu Lonjaret]

See awd(1)
---BeginMessage---
% cd /sw/somedir
% 9 ls | 9 wc -l
2712
% pwd
/sw/somedir
right click on /sw/somedir, and acme's window is empty. What's going on?

-- 
Hugo
---End Message---

Re: [9fans] exporting a namespace

[Mathieu Lonjaret]

Running 9vx is not exactly the same as running a cpu/file server, be it
natively or in qemu/vmware/whatnot. I haven't managed to use 9vx as a cpu
server (although I haven't tried very hard so far) while it's pretty
easy to do what you want once you have set up a real cpu server.

So you might want to replace one of the 9vx instances with a plan 9
install and then follow that guide:
http://www.plan9.bell-labs.com/wiki/plan9/Configuring_a_standalone_CPU_server/index.html
that one might be usefull as well:
http://www.plan9.bell-labs.com/wiki/plan9/Drawterm_to_your_terminal/index.html

Cheers,
Mathieu
---BeginMessage---
Hi,
this is probably a very basic question, but I am becoming quite
frustrated since I am not able to do what I want.
Imagine that I have 2 plan 9 installations. I just want to share a
namespace from one into the other using exportfs and import (or
whatever is needed). I do not want to authenticate the connections or
anything similar.
I did try import, exportfs, srvfs, listen, aan and maybe some other
tools but I am simply not able to access one namespace from one
machine from the other (they are really two 9vx instances on the same
machine).
I always end up with some factotum error. This is likely to be very
simple (given plan 9's nature) but I am now seriously confused with
the roles of import, exportfs, etc and how to skip authentication. I
read the man pages and some papers about file servers but I only see
complex examples and I am not able to figure out how to do it.
Saludos

-- 
Hugo
---End Message---

Re: [9fans] another webfs question

[Mathieu Lonjaret]

Ok, thanks to both. In the meanwhile, mjl pointed me to 
http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc3986.txt, sect. 7.3, where this can found:
Note, however, that the %00 percent-encoding
(NUL) may require special handling and should be rejected if the
application is not expecting to receive raw data within a component.

This apparently could be the reason behind the current behaviour of webfs.

I'll try and fix that in webfs unless somebody beats me to it (please
do! ;) ).

Cheers,
Mathieu
---BeginMessage---
2009/3/27 erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net:
 It seems I'm hitting this error when sending some GET requests:

 In /sys/src/cmd/webfs/url.c:

       if(strstr(url, %00)){
               werrstr(escaped NUL in URI);
               return -1;
       }

 I haven't fully understood the comment above, especially if it is against
 the RFC to have an escaped NUL in an url, but this can actually happen,
 at least with queries to a bittorrent tracker. For example when specifying
 the info hash of a specific torrent when sending a scrape request:

 http://bttracker.debian.org:6969/scrape?info_hash=%F1%AE%D2%E5%15%A0%BD%F1%41%54%9D%44%00%47%AB%97%81%2B%69%16
 (13th char in the info hash is a NUL)

 I get a reply to that one both with wget on linux or hget on plan 9,
 while webfs gives the error from the code above.

 So is it webfs that needs fixing for that case, or are the other tools
 breaking some RFC with that?

 rfc2396 doesn't mention any restrictions; %00 is legal.

Yeah, there aren't any. That's the point of URL encoding; NULL bytes
are as acceptable as any other, and your client should be able to
handle them -- so I think that webfs check is just bogus. It should
just encode it as a \0 and pass it through.

--dho

 - erik


---End Message---

Re: [9fans] Mail configuration

[Mathieu Lonjaret]

factotum -g 'key=mykey proto=pass service=imap server=yourserverurl 
user=yourimapusername !password?'

then 

mailfs yourserverurl

or, if you want tls: 

mailfs -t yourserverurl 

Once it has returned, you can use as a ui the Mail command in acme
for example.

Cheers,
Mathieu
---BeginMessage---
On Fri, 2009-02-20 at 03:06 -0800, Russ Cox rsc-at-swtch.com |9fans|
wrote:
 I didn't bring over upas/fs.
 There is a separate program, not installed
 by default, in src/cmd/upas/nfs (n=new)
 that speaks only imap.  When installed, its
 name is mailfs.  It works with the nedmail
 and acme Mail that are in the plan9port
 distribution; the file tree is slightly different
 than the standard upas/fs (more faithful to imap).
 It downloads pieces of the message as it
 needs them, so if you have big attachments,
 they don't get downloaded until you ask for them.
 Messages saved with the Save command
 go into imap folders, not local files.
 I used this setup for a few years against a dovecot
 imap server.  It does not work against the
 gmail imap server, because gmail imap
 will not serve the full mime tree of the message;
 it only gives you the raw message bytes.
 
 Russ
 

I must be getting dumber, but while I think I successfully built and
installed src/cmd/upas/nfs as mailfs (P9P on debian/testing linux), I
have failed to figure out how to get it to talk to my dovecot server.
Can someone post an example of the command-line they use to run it
(perhaps with a short explanation of the arguments)?

thanks,
Peter Canning


---End Message---

[9fans] Ogg/Vorbis ported

[Mathieu Lonjaret]

Hello all,

Subject says it all; as my first port I did libogg and libvorbis.

I did it mainly as a learning exercise, so it's far from perfect, but
both the libs compile as well as the simple encoder and decoder from
the 'examples' dir.
I have not tried the encoder, but the decoder seems to be running fine
like that:
cat somefile.ogg | ./decoder_example  /dev/audio

I did no try to rework things, like the types for example (as it was
done for libmad/mp3dec in rsc's contrib), I limited myself to fix
things the best I could until it built fine. So constructive
criticism, remarks, comments, are of course welcome please. In
particular, I'm not sure about these various things I did:
1) changed all the alloca calls to some malloc/free
2) added a rint function
3) commented out most of the #if defined ... (seemed safe since most
were gnuisms, gcc, or win32 specific).
4) the 'max' and 'min' vars seemed to pose a problem (although I
wasn't able to find them already defined on plan9), so renamed them to
things like local_max.
5) created some new headers and moved some code in there to make it cleaner.
6) the various locations I set in the mkfile to install things.
Also, the weirdest I think was these 3 extern funcs:  floor1_fit,
floor1_interpolate_fit, floor1_encode which were declared with a void
* as one of the args, but which were used with a struct * instead.
Seems like fixing the declarations and moving them to a header made
things build fine but I'm not sure of what was the initial intent
here.

They're hosted as indicated below at the moment, but if they're not
deemed worthless, could I have a contrib dir so they can be installed
with fgb's replica please?

http://www.ipgp.jussieu.fr/~lonjaret/libogg.tar.gz
http://www.ipgp.jussieu.fr/~lonjaret/libvorbis.tar.gz

Next should be a decent player, and other of the vorbis-tools, if I
can get around the ncurses dependency.

Thanks to rsc for 9vx (haven't tested on native plan9 btw), and to
sqweek and quintile for their advices.

Cheers,
Mathieu

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Re: [9fans] fn oddity with acme

[Mathieu Lonjaret]

On Thu, Dec 25, 2008 at 1:55 AM, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net wrote:
 Ah sorry I had confused the various tests I did: the case where I
 actually have this problem is if
 I call the function acme itself, ie if I do
 fn acme { acme -f /lib/font/bit/fixed/unicode.8x13.font }

 If I call it acmef or whatever else, no problem, which seems less odd to me 
 now.

 i think you wish

 fn acme { builtin acme -f /lib/font/bit/fixed/unicode.8x13.font $*}

 you ran out of stack space.

 - erik

Ah thanks, I would have never thought of using builtin in that case, I
thought that the word following builtin had to be an rc built-in
command.

Cheers,
Mathieu

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Re: [9fans] fn oddity with acme

[Mathieu Lonjaret]

On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 7:04 PM, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net wrote:
 I've defined such an rc function:
 fn acmef { acme -f /lib/font/bit/fixed/unicode.8x13.font }
 and when I call this function I keep getting this error displayed
 repetively on the screen:

 grow segment 3 - f0 would overlap 0 [f00-1000]

 this happens both with p9p acme/rc and in 9vx.

 i can't replicate this behavior on linux.  i don't see how it could happen
 with p9p.

 any chance your font or some of the attendent images are
 broken?

 are you using the latest 9vx?  on what os?

 - erik

Ah sorry I had confused the various tests I did: the case where I
actually have this problem is if
I call the function acme itself, ie if I do
fn acme { acme -f /lib/font/bit/fixed/unicode.8x13.font }

If I call it acmef or whatever else, no problem, which seems less odd to me now.

Still, is that supposed to happen if I one uses for a function name
the one of a binary?

Mathieu

Re: [9fans] vac messages

[Mathieu Lonjaret]

Right, it seems like the files on that server don't have those fixes. I'll
update and check if this reoccurs.

Thanks,
Mathieu
---BeginMessage---
 I'm doing some nightly backups in a cron from a linux server with p9p
 vac. Venti runs on a plan 9 filserver. From what I can unvac afterwards,
 it seems like it's going fine, however I'm getting these kind of messages
 in the mail sent by the cron daemon:

 either

 vac: vtcachelocal: asked for block #5395928; only 144918656 blocks

When did you last update?  I fixed a bug that would produce
messages like this in

http://hg.pdos.csail.mit.edu/hg/plan9/rev/206d0c2fc7b5

on October 26.

Russ
---End Message---

Re: [9fans] Volos

[Mathieu Lonjaret]

Hi all,

I missed my flight so I'll arrive later (at around midnight) in Athens.

Apparently there are no buses or trains going to Volos past midnight,
so I was wondering if somebody is planning on going to Volos by car
during the night, or early in the morning to be on time at iwp9?

Does anyone know if it's possible to rent a car in Athens past
midnight and return it once in Volos? (because I'm not going back to
Athens right after iwp9).

Sorry for the noise.

Cheers,
Mathieu

On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 9:11 AM, sqweek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 11:05 PM, Noah Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Works for me. Although I know some people will be coming in later than
 that, 10-11pm or so. So maybe pick a restaurant/bar so everyone can
 meet up there?

  Well me and my brother couldn't find any cheap convenient place to
 stay in Volos so we buggered off to Leptokarya to camp on the beach.
 I'll be back in Volos tonight, and I guess outside the park hotel at
 20:00. If no one is there my number is 6956933951. Not that I have any
 credit (1 euro, which is what the sim card cost me ;) ) but at least I
 can recieve calls. Though be patient - I'm not used to having a cell
 so it took me about 20 seconds to realise it was MY phone ringing when
 my brother called me yesterday ;)
 -sqweek





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[9fans] discarding snapshots

[Mathieu Lonjaret]

Hello 9fans,

I have started playing with fossil+venti, following the instructions on
the wiki, and everything seems to work as it is supposed to, except for
the temporary snapshots; they won't get discarded.

If I run snaptime after I have connected to the fossil console, I get
that:
main: snaptime
snaptime -a 0400 -s 60 -t 180
(which seems to match with how I want it to be configured).

However, if I mount the snapshot tree with
'mount /srv/fossildata /n/snapshots main/snapshot'
I can see snapshots dating from as far as the 23rd (which is the date
when I started playing with that):

d-r-xr-xr-x M 7004 adm adm 0 Jul 24 04:35 0723
d-r-xr-xr-x M 7004 adm adm 0 Jul 24 23:00 0724
d-r-xr-xr-x M 7004 adm adm 0 Jul 25 23:00 0725
d-r-xr-xr-x M 7004 adm adm 0 Jul 26 23:00 0726
d-r-xr-xr-x M 7004 adm adm 0 Jul 27 23:00 0727
d-r-xr-xr-x M 7004 adm adm 0 Jul 28 11:00 0728

I had understood that with -t 180, snapshots older than 3 hours would
be automatically discarded, isn't that correct? And if yes, what am I
doing wrong then?

I have also tried to run 'snapclean' in the fossil console but that
didn't seem to have any effect.

For the record, this is a second fossil (which is serving a disk with
only some non-system data on it) I am running on this machine (hence the
/srv/fossildata), because I'm doing some testing and I don't want to mess
with the one serving the system. The first fossil, with the system on it,
is not configured with venti at the moment.

Cheers,
Mathieu

Re: [9fans] char encoding problem

[Mathieu Lonjaret]

Yes,
9p read mail/mbox/40/raw | tcs -f 8859-15
seems to be working fine, thanks.

Then any idea why acme Mail has a problem with this message?

Cheers,
Mathieu.
---BeginMessage---
you can try using tcs to convert the email to utf, but the man page
doesn't say whether tcs speaks 8859-15, but the p9p program says it
does (tcs -lv):

http://swtch.com/plan9port/man/man1/tcs.html

On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 9:55 AM, Mathieu Lonjaret [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hello 9fans,

 I have a problem with one specific e-mail in p9p acme Mail: only some
 part of it is displayed (~1/2) when I open it (right click) in acme
 Mail. According to mutt, the encoding is iso-8859-15 and I can read it
 fine there.
 There does not seem to be anything special in the first line which is
 not there in acme Mail; some accented characters but not different
 from other ones which appear sooner in the mail.

 As turjo advised me on #plan9, I tried
 '9p read mail/mbox/n/raw'
 in an acme win. That outputed the whole message, however the accented
 chars were replaced by runes like that one: �
 I also fetched the latest p9p (20080711); same behaviour.

 Any idea about what's going on please?

 Cheers,
 Mathieu.




---End Message---

Re: [9fans] plan 9 on an IBM eserver 325

[Mathieu Lonjaret]

So, back to this issue.
I've finally figured out how to make a bootable iso ( for future
search in the archives: /n/sources/contrib/maht/rc/mkiso ,
/sys/lib/dist/pc/mkfile , and
http://maht0x0r.blogspot.com/2007/11/roll-your-own-plan9-iso.html were
pretty much the only useful docs I could find on that matter).
First I made a regular one, which of course didn't change a thing
for this ibm machine.
Then I made one with *nobiosload=1 in the [common] section of its
plan9.ini and with the old 9load you put in your contrib, but it still
panics in the same way I described in the previous post. I'm pasting
it again, as a reminder:

ELCR: 0C80
apm ax=f000 cx=f000 dx=40 di= ebx=5d84 esi=-1
initial probe, to find plan9.ini... dev A0 port 1F0 config 0040
capabilities 2F00 mwdma 0007 udma 407F
dev A0 port 170 config 85C0 capabilities 2F00 mwdma 0007 udma 0407
FLAGS=10282 TRAP=6 ECODE=0 PC=3
 AX  BX 80815d78 CX  DX 800fdfc0
 SI 1022 DI 0024 BP 746b
 CS 0010 DS 0008 ES 0008 FS 0008 GS 0008
 CR0 8011 CR2 000 CR3 c000
panic: exception/interrupt 6

Any other suggestion please?

In the meanwhile I'm gonna try fgb's 9load and see what can be done with that.

Cheers,
Mathieu.

On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 2:46 PM, erik quanstrom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Nope, I haven't tried yet because that requires that I make myself a
   new iso, and I'm uncertain as how to proceed for that.  Shall I mount
   the current iso, copy everything on some temporary location, locate
   where plan9.ini is, modify it, and just create an iso9660 fs from that
   temporary tree?
  
   Thx for the old 9load.

  assuming you already have a fileserver, you may just want a boot floppy.
  lacking a physical floppy, you can build an eltorito from the floppy image.

  this isn't something i've done in a very long time as i find it much easier 
 to
  find a workable nic and pxe boot.

  - erik






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