Re: [9fans] Google Summer of code 2009
As to how many groups and students, they didn't say anything about that other than to show that each year the numbers had increased. Our prospects were evaluated with some care. In particular, Google has stated, publicly, in writing, that they expect to fund ~10% fewer students and thus fewer organizations this year. http://code.google.com/opensource/gsoc/2009/faqs.html 4. How many mentoring organizations does Google expect to take part in the program? We worked with 40 organizations in 2005, over 100 in 2006, over 130 in 2007 and 175 in 2008. We expect slightly fewer organizations to take part in 2009, as we've capped the number of student participants at 1,000. 5. How many students does Google expect to take part in the program? We funded approximately 400 student projects in 2005, 600 in 2006, 900 in 2007 and 1125 in 2008. We'll be funding approximately 1,000 student projects in 2009. Dave Eckhardt
Re: [9fans] Google Summer of code 2009
I heard that there will be a GSoC this year, are there any plans to get plan 9 as a mentoring organization? There has been some discussion about this among the people who put together last year's application. For whatever mixture of factors, we ended up below the line last year. This year more groups are expected to apply, and Google has indicated they plan to support fewer groups and fewer students this year as compared to last year. Each of those trends seems likely to push us further below the line if we submit a similar application again this year. For that reason, the thinking is that this summer we should pursue alternative courses of action. Examples might include organizing some bug-fixing weekends or install fests, improving performance and usability of Plan 9 in various VM's (since this is probably the safest way to ensure that a new user's install works the *first* time)... Next year maybe we'll be different, and maybe GSoC will be different. Dave Eckhardt
Re: [9fans] Google Summer of code 2009
uh, sorry to hear that. Well, maybe next year... Saludos 2009/3/6, Dave Eckhardt davide...@cs.cmu.edu: I heard that there will be a GSoC this year, are there any plans to get plan 9 as a mentoring organization? There has been some discussion about this among the people who put together last year's application. For whatever mixture of factors, we ended up below the line last year. This year more groups are expected to apply, and Google has indicated they plan to support fewer groups and fewer students this year as compared to last year. Each of those trends seems likely to push us further below the line if we submit a similar application again this year. For that reason, the thinking is that this summer we should pursue alternative courses of action. Examples might include organizing some bug-fixing weekends or install fests, improving performance and usability of Plan 9 in various VM's (since this is probably the safest way to ensure that a new user's install works the *first* time)... Next year maybe we'll be different, and maybe GSoC will be different. Dave Eckhardt -- Hugo
Re: [9fans] Google Summer of code 2009
Uhu? Who 'decided' this? And where was this 'discussed'? Certainly not in any of the Plan 9 GSoC lists. It is total nonsense not to apply based on pure speculation, and you can be certain there will be an application, whatever it will be accepted or not, who knows, and what evidence there is that things will be any better a year from now? Hackathons, and other 'events' have been proposed in the past, and nobody has shown any interest in them other than to ridicule the concept. Five, four, and three years ago people were saying the same nonsense, and nobody ever did anything, until somebody got feed up and applied, some things went very wrong, but other useful stuff came out of it. I have yet to see anything useful come from the attitude reigning in other parts of the 'community' though, maybe ten years from now the new 64 bit kernel will be released... uriel P.S.: Also note that as far as I know Glendix and suckless.org will be applying, Inferno DS might, and Inferno OS should certainly apply too, but I'm not counting on it. On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 6:31 PM, hugo rivera uai...@gmail.com wrote: uh, sorry to hear that. Well, maybe next year... Saludos 2009/3/6, Dave Eckhardt davide...@cs.cmu.edu: I heard that there will be a GSoC this year, are there any plans to get plan 9 as a mentoring organization? There has been some discussion about this among the people who put together last year's application. For whatever mixture of factors, we ended up below the line last year. This year more groups are expected to apply, and Google has indicated they plan to support fewer groups and fewer students this year as compared to last year. Each of those trends seems likely to push us further below the line if we submit a similar application again this year. For that reason, the thinking is that this summer we should pursue alternative courses of action. Examples might include organizing some bug-fixing weekends or install fests, improving performance and usability of Plan 9 in various VM's (since this is probably the safest way to ensure that a new user's install works the *first* time)... Next year maybe we'll be different, and maybe GSoC will be different. Dave Eckhardt -- Hugo
Re: [9fans] Google Summer of code 2009
* * organizing some bug-fixing weekends or install fests, improving performance and usability of Plan 9 in various VM's (since this is probably the safest way to ensure that a new user's install works the *first* time)... I sent a Plan9 Qemu qcow to the osZoo people a while ago but never eben got a reply. I just checked again now and they've got a different submissions system http://www.oszoo.org/wiki/index.php/FreeOsZoo:Submission_Guidelines So time to re-do it, I'll do it when I get a minute, unless someone beats me to it :) Matt
Re: [9fans] Google Summer of code 2009
If anyone is looking for projects I am working on USB and it's for sure there will be many drivers that could be done once the controller drivers get finished, what shouldn't take much time now. I'm willing to help anyone willing to work on such projects. Acpi is also needed asap. Probably it's better to get working and forget about gsoc before doing something. IMHO El 06/03/2009, a las 21:27, ano...@gmail.com escribió: uriel, remain calm. he said the discussion was among the people who ran last year's application. that's fine: they can have whatever conversations they like, wherever they like. if they've decided their time is better spent elsewhere, that's their decision. on the specific actions suggest, too, i'm all for them. it sounds like they're thinking about some very directed actions that could get good results. and those sorts of actions also, in my estimation, match with the sorts of community considerations Google uses for evaluation. there's certainly no conflict there. for myself, i still think a GSoC application is worth the time, and I still intend to do one. [/mail/box/nemo/msgs/200903/35660]
Re: [9fans] Google Summer of code 2009
Acpi is also needed asap. what's the pressure point here? - erik
Re: [9fans] Google Summer of code 2009
On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 3:59 PM, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net wrote: Acpi is also needed asap. what's the pressure point here? The number of mainboards that have incorrect PIR, MP, tables that are correct in ACPI. The fact that so many functions, for correct operation, need ACPI. It's a mess. ACPI sucks. But it's what we have to work with. ron
Re: [9fans] Google Summer of code 2009
what's the pressure point here? The number of mainboards that have incorrect PIR, MP, tables that are correct in ACPI. The fact that so many functions, for correct operation, need ACPI. It's a mess. ACPI sucks. But it's what we have to work with. this is just my perspective on the matter, but i find the mp tables often get fixed, and when they don't the results are mostly annoying. my core i7 motherboard, for example, doesn't see it's ht processors. i can live with that. i still have 4. (the biggest sticking point with the mp tables is the interrupts. this can also be fixed by using msi interrupts. i think that would offer a bigger bang/buck factor. the performance of 8259 or even mp interrupts is pretty poor.) on the other hand, nvidia graphics drive me bats. it would make a bigger difference to me to have good amd or intel gma graphics support. just my own perspective. maybe i'm out of touch and have just been lucky picking motherboards. that's not to say acpi isn't a good thing to get done. it's just that personally i'd rank it lower than a few other things. ymmv. - erik
Re: [9fans] Google Summer of code 2009
For whatever mixture of factors, we ended up below the line last year. This year more groups are expected to apply, and Google has indicated they plan to support fewer groups and fewer students this year as compared to last year. Each of those trends seems likely to push us further below the line if we submit a similar application again this year. As it turns out, I was in a presentation today given by the key SOC people from Google. The thing that really caught my attention was that they made a point of saying that they gave particular preference to projects/groups that would put forward mentors that they could be confident would have a successful project completion. That's not to say that they don't have confidence in the mentors from Plan9 and Inferno, but that does seems to be a lot of what goes into the placement of that line. As to how many groups and students, they didn't say anything about that other than to show that each year the numbers had increased. They also said the money pool was planned to be the same as last year. BLS
Re: [9fans] Google Summer of code 2009
It's a mess. ACPI sucks. But it's what we have to work with. I don't know about ACPI, but it struck me that Plan 9 was in a far batter position to deal with the foibles of USB than any other OS I am familiar with (IMO, PCI was similar, but the opportunity was missed), I'm pleased Nemo is able to provide help there. ++L
Re: [9fans] Google Summer of code 2009
I don't know about ACPI, but it struck me that Plan 9 was in a far batter position to deal with the foibles of USB than any other OS I am familiar with (IMO, PCI was similar, but the opportunity was missed), I'm pleased Nemo is able to provide help there. what was missed with pci? plan 9 doesn't do pcie extended configuration space, but that's mostly a waste of 256mb. what am i missing? - erik
[9fans] Google Summer of code 2009
I heard that there will be a GSoC this year, are there any plans to get plan 9 as a mentoring organization? -- Saludos Hugo
