Re: [9fans] mail client; general question web vs command
;$PLAN9/bin/upas/smtp -ai 'tcp!128.141.146.215!12345' rudolf.syk...@gmail.com rudolf.syk...@cern.ch msg Segmentation fault Yesterday, I found time to fix this problem. It happens when gethostbyname fail to resolve your hostname. You can apply this patch: http://codereview.appspot.com/download/issue5370105_1.diff It hasn't been merged in plan9port yet, but I'm sure it will be soon. -- David du Colombier
Re: [9fans] mail client; general question web vs command
Hello, I obtained the same behavior on Fedora 15. It doesn't happen on earlier releases of Fedora, even when using the same dynamically linked smtp binary. Probably you updated something like glibc before rebuilding. Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault. 0x0035db80edbb in raise () from /lib64/libpthread.so.0 -- David du Colombier I don't quite understand whether this knowledge can help me or not... Thanks for comments. Ruda
Re: [9fans] mail client; general question web vs command
Ok. I wonder how I could forget to rebuilt then, but I did. Anyway, after rebuilding I get: ;$PLAN9/bin/upas/smtp -ai 'tcp!128.141.146.215!12345' rudolf.syk...@gmail.com rudolf.syk...@cern.ch msg Segmentation fault ; I obtained the same behavior on Fedora 15. It doesn't happen on earlier releases of Fedora, even when using the same dynamically linked smtp binary. Probably you updated something like glibc before rebuilding. Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault. 0x0035db80edbb in raise () from /lib64/libpthread.so.0 -- David du Colombier
Re: [9fans] mail client; general question web vs command
On 14 September 2011 14:39, Richard Miller 9f...@hamnavoe.com wrote: smtp: bad network /net/tcp!bluestar!12345 (tcp!bluestar!12345) This should have been corrected by the hg update. But update only changes the source code - you still have to rebuild the command with cd $PLAN9/src/cmd/upas/smtp mk smtp.install Ok. I wonder how I could forget to rebuilt then, but I did. Anyway, after rebuilding I get: ;$PLAN9/bin/upas/smtp -ai 'tcp!128.141.146.215!12345' rudolf.syk...@gmail.com rudolf.syk...@cern.ch msg Segmentation fault ; ... so still unsuccessful to send email... Thanks for further comments. I will also try to find out some details about the segmentation fault. Ruda
Re: [9fans] mail client; general question web vs command
smtp: bad network /net/tcp!bluestar!12345 (tcp!bluestar!12345) This should have been corrected by the hg update. But update only changes the source code - you still have to rebuild the command with cd $PLAN9/src/cmd/upas/smtp mk smtp.install so I tried $PLAN9/bin/upas/smtp -ai 'tcp!128.141.146.215!12345' ... The result is: Fri Sep 9 21:34:17 CES 2011 connect to tcp!128.141.146.215!12345: 250-mx.google.com at your service, [128.141.146.215] 250-SIZE 35882577 250-8BITMIME 250-AUTH LOGIN PLAIN XOAUTH 250 ENHANCEDSTATUSCODES but it does not seem like any email has been sent anywhere... If the login to gmail smtp server is not successful, smtp just exits quietly. Since you are using 128.141.146.215 as the server name, you have to use 'server=128.141.146.215' instead of 'server=bluestar' in the factotum entry.
Re: [9fans] mail client; general question web vs command
but it does not seem like any email has been sent anywhere... Btw. I don't quite understand what '9f...@---.com' really stands for. Plan9 man page says it should perhaps be a sender, but then, I want to send as if from my gmail account; and more, even from gmail when the man page refers to the command-like sender it means the envelope sender. the envelope sender appears in unix mbox format as the 'From ' line at the beginning of each message. this is not the same as the 'From: ' line in the smtp header. but none of this has anything to do with gmail's willingness to relay mail. - erik
Re: [9fans] mail client; general question web vs command
Hello, On 31 August 2011 16:22, Richard Miller 9f...@hamnavoe.com wrote: To use the plan9port version of upas/smtp with authenticated connections, you need a couple of fixes which I've just submitted. 'hg pull -u' will get them. The plan9port upas/smtp also does not support tls, which is required by gmail. The workaround is to run smtp inside a tls tunnel, as shown below. Note that you can't use 'localhost' to address the near end of the tunnel because smtp doesn't like forwarding to 127.0.0.1. bash-3.1$ hostname epia bash-3.1$ cat msg Subject: test hello bash-3.1$ 9p read factotum/ctl key proto=pass role=client server=epia service=smtp user=exam...@gmail.com !password? bash-3.1$ sudo /usr/sbin/stunnel3 -c -d 12345 -r smtp.gmail.com:465 bash-3.1$ $PLAN9/bin/upas/smtp -ai 'tcp!epia!12345' 9f...@hamnavoe.com x...@example.com msg epia Aug 31 15:01:34 9f...@hamnavoe.com sent 127 bytes to x...@example.com I tried to follow this recipe, however, not fully succeeded... 1) I ran 'hg pull' and 'hg update' in my $PLAN9 directory. 2) My computer has a name 'bluestar' (output of 'hostname'). 3) I created the testing message 'mesg'. 4) I added the key to factotum by running: factotum -g 'proto=pass role=client server=bluestar service=smtp user=rudolf.syk...@gmail.com !password?' and I entered my gmail password when promted. 5) I issued: sudo /usr/sbin/stunnel3 -c -d 12345 -r smtp.gmail.com:465 6) then issued: $PLAN9/bin/upas/smtp -ai 'tcp!bluestar!12345' rudolf.syk...@gmail.com rudolf.syk...@cern.ch msg and got this: smtp: bad network /net/tcp!bluestar!12345 (tcp!bluestar!12345) so I tried $PLAN9/bin/upas/smtp -ai 'tcp!128.141.146.215!12345' rudolf.syk...@gmail.com rudolf.syk...@cern.ch msg where 128.141.146.215 is my current ip address. (What and where should I add so that the name bluestar would be resolved? I obtain the ip using dhcp, thus it can vary from boot to boot, together with the domain...) The result is: Fri Sep 9 21:34:17 CES 2011 connect to tcp!128.141.146.215!12345: 250-mx.google.com at your service, [128.141.146.215] 250-SIZE 35882577 250-8BITMIME 250-AUTH LOGIN PLAIN XOAUTH 250 ENHANCEDSTATUSCODES but it does not seem like any email has been sent anywhere... Btw. I don't quite understand what '9f...@hamnavoe.com' really stands for. Plan9 man page says it should perhaps be a sender, but then, I want to send as if from my gmail account; and more, even from gmail web I can send under different names, but these are not arbitrary, but must have been varified in advance. So should there stand any of these addresses I can use when sending from the web interface? Thanks for help! Ruda
Re: [9fans] mail client; general question web vs command
To use the plan9port version of upas/smtp with authenticated connections, you need a couple of fixes which I've just submitted. 'hg pull -u' will get them. The plan9port upas/smtp also does not support tls, which is required by gmail. The workaround is to run smtp inside a tls tunnel, as shown below. Note that you can't use 'localhost' to address the near end of the tunnel because smtp doesn't like forwarding to 127.0.0.1. bash-3.1$ hostname epia bash-3.1$ cat msg Subject: test hello bash-3.1$ 9p read factotum/ctl key proto=pass role=client server=epia service=smtp user=exam...@gmail.com !password? bash-3.1$ sudo /usr/sbin/stunnel3 -c -d 12345 -r smtp.gmail.com:465 bash-3.1$ $PLAN9/bin/upas/smtp -ai 'tcp!epia!12345' 9f...@hamnavoe.com x...@example.com msg epia Aug 31 15:01:34 9f...@hamnavoe.com sent 127 bytes to x...@example.com
Re: [9fans] mail client; general question web vs command
Hello, On 11 August 2011 19:55, David du Colombier 0in...@gmail.com wrote: But what about sending mail? I've only ever configured Plan 9 to act as its own smtp server, have never done anything with p9p or a remove server. It's pretty much the same as on Plan 9. See $PLAN9/mail/lib/rewrite. I must say that now I have spent about 5 hours trying to make sending email from p9p work, but so far without success. [Perhaps it is often much more instructive to write down 10 lines to explain than just write that it is much the same as somewhere else...] After reading quite a few man pages, I've tried to simplify my attempts. Now I have a simple file 'q' with the email I want to send (I put 'cat q' instead of 'qmail...' into 'rewrite'): --- ;cat q From ruda Sun Aug 28 14:52:01 CES 2011 remote from bluestar To: rsyk...@cern.ch Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2011 14:52:01 +0200 From: ruda MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit aahahha ; --- now when I try (74.125.39.108 should be smtp.gmail.com): cat q | upas/smtp -a -d -h a.com 74.125.39.108 rudolf.syk...@gmail.com rsyk...@cern.ch I get: mxlookup returns nothing 220 mx.google.com ESMTP u18sm633897fah.41 EHLO bluestar.ch 250-mx.google.com at your service, [128.141.146.177] 250-SIZE 35882577 250-8BITMIME 250-STARTTLS 250 ENHANCEDSTATUSCODES Sun Aug 28 15:33:22 CES 2011 connect to 74.125.39.108: 250-mx.google.com at your service, [128.141.146.177] 250-SIZE 35882577 250-8BITMIME 250-STARTTLS 250 ENHANCEDSTATUSCODES QUIT 221 2.0.0 closing connection u18sm633897fah.41 If anybody could suggest what I should do to be able to send... (E.g. I don't understand why I need any '-h a.com' or what should really be there. Further, I do not know if I have to have an entry in factotum before the try or if factotum would ask when neccessary [as it does in the imap case, i.e. when I just read the email].) (I on purpose try to bypass all those upas/qer, upas/runq, ... stuff; I believe a simple line like above should first succeed before any such stuff is needed. Also, when I tried to use the queues, sth kept on bringing qmail script to life each few seconds [and I was not able to tell what], the file log/mail/smtp.fail was steadily growing and I could not stop it [finally I renamed qmail to stop it].) Thank you! (I just so much want to get rid of the web browsers...) Ruda
Re: [9fans] mail client; general question web vs command
now when I try (74.125.39.108 should be smtp.gmail.com):
cat q | upas/smtp -a -d -h a.com 74.125.39.108 rudolf.syk...@gmail.com
rsyk...@cern.ch
i'm confused. are you using plan 9 or p9p?
i would think that a.com is wrong. you need to use your real domain.
also i think you want the real target system, not an ip address.
mx lookup for google isn't broken for me.
; fn mxquery {x=`{ndb/dnsquery google.com mx | sort +1n | sed 1q}; echo
$x(4)[1=2]; ndb/dnsquery $x(4)}
; mxquery google.com [2=]
aspmx.l.google.com ip 74.125.47.27
on plan 9, upas typically uses /mail/lib/remotemail to send
to remote systems. my remotemail looks like
#!/bin/rc
sender = $1; addr = $2; * = $*(3-)
fd=`{/bin/upas/aliasmail -f $sender}
switch($fd){
case *.*
;
case *
fd=quanstro.net
}
exec /bin/upas/smtp -h $fd $addr $sender $*
this is invoked by qmail/kickqueue which are tickled
by sending mail and/or a cron job.
; cat /cron/upas/cron
# kick mail retries (replace ladd with your system)
0,10,20,30,40,50 * * * *ladd/bin/upas/runq -a
/mail/queue /mail/lib/remotemail
# clean up after grey list
47 4 * * * laddrm -rf /mail/grey/tmp/*/*
ymmv, and there may be nupasisms in here.
- erik
Re: [9fans] mail client; general question web vs command
Hello,
On 28 August 2011 17:15, erik quanstrom quans...@quanstro.net wrote:
now when I try (74.125.39.108 should be smtp.gmail.com):
cat q | upas/smtp -a -d -h a.com 74.125.39.108 rudolf.syk...@gmail.com
rsyk...@cern.ch
i'm confused. are you using plan 9 or p9p?
p9p now
i would think that a.com is wrong. you need to use your real domain.
you may well be right. I have no idea what/why I should write there. I
am using a notebook that is used regularly at diferent places and the
only thing I now want is to pass my e-mail to gmail via smtp (where I
have an account) so that it then can be sent further. Thus I'd expect
that all I need is i) the mail itself with the info to whom it should
be sent, and ii) login/password for the gmail account. I don't see any
reason for any other domain name... I just wrote that a.com there so
that there is something (so, simply, understand that I do not
understand...).
also i think you want the real target system, not an ip address.
mx lookup for google isn't broken for me.
; fn mxquery {x=`{ndb/dnsquery google.com mx | sort +1n | sed 1q};
echo $x(4)[1=2]; ndb/dnsquery $x(4)}
; mxquery google.com [2=]
aspmx.l.google.com ip 74.125.47.27
well, is there any difference if I use smtp.gmail.com or the
corresponding ip? (for the former to work I need, I have a feeling,
add sth somewhere [ndb?], so the ip was easier for the experiment).
on plan 9, upas typically uses /mail/lib/remotemail to send
to remote systems. my remotemail looks like
#!/bin/rc
sender = $1; addr = $2; * = $*(3-)
fd=`{/bin/upas/aliasmail -f $sender}
switch($fd){
case *.*
;
case *
fd=quanstro.net
}
exec /bin/upas/smtp -h $fd $addr $sender $*
on p9p a similar thing is also in remotemail...
this is invoked by qmail/kickqueue which are tickled
by sending mail and/or a cron job.
; cat /cron/upas/cron
# kick mail retries (replace ladd with your system)
0,10,20,30,40,50 * * * * ladd /bin/upas/runq -a
/mail/queue /mail/lib/remotemail
# clean up after grey list
47 4 * * * ladd rm -rf /mail/grey/tmp/*/*
ymmv, and there may be nupasisms in here.
- erik
Ok. But putting aside the way how different programs are invoked,
finally there is always that line with
/bin/upas/smtp -h $fd $addr $sender $*
that actually sends the mail (which it reads from stdin). This line of
yours has to have -a added since gmail needs authentication (so
finally a key in factotum). So before engaging the rewrite,
remotemail, vf, qer, runq, ... (?) programs, I would like to be able
to send an email using just this and be sure it works...
Thanks
Ruda
Re: [9fans] mail client; general question web vs command
On 14 August 2011 01:26, Fazlul Shahriar fshahr...@gmail.com wrote: % mailfs -t imap.gmail.com /sbin/stunnel exec failed at /usr/sbin/stunnel3 line 39. mailfs: imapconnect: no greeting I think your stunnel3 is broken. stunnel3 is actually a perl script that runs stunnel 4. In your case, it thinks stunnel 4 is at /sbin/stunnel, but it's not. fhs Thank you! Really, stunnel3 is a perl script, and it looked for stunnel at a wrong location (I have it under /usr/sbin, not /sbin). So now I finally see sth. in my Acme (after executing '9 Mail -s'), which is much nicer than before... Thanks! Ruda
Re: [9fans] mail client; general question web vs command
cd src/cmd/upas/nfs mk install factotum factotum -g 'key=somekey proto=pass service=imap server=some.imap.server.com user=your_username !password?' (it will ask for the pass you want to store for that key) mailfs -t some.imap.server.com in acme, button-2 exec on Mail -s Cheers, Mathieu Thanks for your answer! Anyway, I still haven't succeeded, and have a few questions. 1) Is nfs (lookman nfs or mailfs returns nothing) a new program written for p9p just to be used for an imap connection to some mail server? 2) Do I really have to add the key to factotum or is it enough (for testing purposes) to just have it running (and it will ask me for whatever is later needed)? 3) When I try to use mailfs, I get % mailfs -t imap.gmail.com /sbin/stunnel exec failed at /usr/sbin/stunnel3 line 39. mailfs: imapconnect: no greeting and I really do not know what's going on... (I have tried to replace stunnel with stunnel3, as mentioned by Fazlul Shahriar; but I actually I don't understand the matter.) If you could clarify the situation for me a bit, I'd be appreciative. Thanks Ruda
Re: [9fans] mail client; general question web vs command
% mailfs -t imap.gmail.com /sbin/stunnel exec failed at /usr/sbin/stunnel3 line 39. mailfs: imapconnect: no greeting I think your stunnel3 is broken. stunnel3 is actually a perl script that runs stunnel 4. In your case, it thinks stunnel 4 is at /sbin/stunnel, but it's not. fhs
Re: [9fans] mail client; general question web vs command
On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 8:38 PM, Rudolf Sykora rudolf.syk...@gmail.com wrote: cd src/cmd/upas/nfs mk install factotum factotum -g 'key=somekey proto=pass service=imap server=some.imap.server.com user=your_username !password?' (it will ask for the pass you want to store for that key) mailfs -t some.imap.server.com in acme, button-2 exec on Mail -s Cheers, Mathieu Thanks for your answer! Anyway, I still haven't succeeded, and have a few questions. 1) Is nfs (lookman nfs or mailfs returns nothing) a new program written for p9p just to be used for an imap connection to some mail server? http://9fans.net/archive/2009/02/415 2) Do I really have to add the key to factotum or is it enough (for testing purposes) to just have it running (and it will ask me for whatever is later needed)? dunno. I suppose it should, I don't remember why I don't proceed like that. try it and tell us? :) 3) When I try to use mailfs, I get % mailfs -t imap.gmail.com /sbin/stunnel exec failed at /usr/sbin/stunnel3 line 39. mailfs: imapconnect: no greeting and I really do not know what's going on... (I have tried to replace stunnel with stunnel3, as mentioned by Fazlul Shahriar; but I actually I don't understand the matter.) what's your distro? have you checked what stunnel packages are available to you? Isn't your /usr/bin/stunnel a symlink to another one? also what Fazlul said. If you could clarify the situation for me a bit, I'd be appreciative. Thanks Ruda
Re: [9fans] mail client; general question web vs command
Can anybody point me to some recipe which would get me from a point when I have p9p installed to a point when I can read mail from my gmail account via imap(s) in p9p acme? Well, that's a pity nobody can help :( Is there any reason for that man pages of p9p http://swtch.com/plan9port/man/ do not mention neither upas nor mail? (So nobody actually uses it today?) Also, although some mail program is present, /src/cmd/acme/mail it is apparently not installed by default? [I'm tired of the web interface. I tried mutt, which was easy to set up since you can find instructions for this. But I want the acme mail. And there seem to be many things `somehow around', but not a coherent explanation of how to put the pieces (and which) together...] Thanks Ruda
Re: [9fans] mail client; general question web vs command
I'm not sure I've tried with gmail, I think I did, but a long time ago. Otherwise it's pretty simple: cd src/cmd/upas/nfs mk install factotum factotum -g 'key=somekey proto=pass service=imap server=some.imap.server.com user=your_username !password?' (it will ask for the pass you want to store for that key) mailfs -t some.imap.server.com in acme, button-2 exec on Mail -s Cheers, Mathieu On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 12:42 PM, Rudolf Sykora rudolf.syk...@gmail.com wrote: Can anybody point me to some recipe which would get me from a point when I have p9p installed to a point when I can read mail from my gmail account via imap(s) in p9p acme? Well, that's a pity nobody can help :( Is there any reason for that man pages of p9p http://swtch.com/plan9port/man/ do not mention neither upas nor mail? (So nobody actually uses it today?) Also, although some mail program is present, /src/cmd/acme/mail it is apparently not installed by default? [I'm tired of the web interface. I tried mutt, which was easy to set up since you can find instructions for this. But I want the acme mail. And there seem to be many things `somehow around', but not a coherent explanation of how to put the pieces (and which) together...] Thanks Ruda
Re: [9fans] mail client; general question web vs command
gmail wrapped the line; there shouldn't be a break between the service and the server. On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 12:54 PM, Mathieu Lonjaret mathieu.lonja...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not sure I've tried with gmail, I think I did, but a long time ago. Otherwise it's pretty simple: cd src/cmd/upas/nfs mk install factotum factotum -g 'key=somekey proto=pass service=imap server=some.imap.server.com user=your_username !password?' (it will ask for the pass you want to store for that key) mailfs -t some.imap.server.com in acme, button-2 exec on Mail -s Cheers, Mathieu On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 12:42 PM, Rudolf Sykora rudolf.syk...@gmail.com wrote: Can anybody point me to some recipe which would get me from a point when I have p9p installed to a point when I can read mail from my gmail account via imap(s) in p9p acme? Well, that's a pity nobody can help :( Is there any reason for that man pages of p9p http://swtch.com/plan9port/man/ do not mention neither upas nor mail? (So nobody actually uses it today?) Also, although some mail program is present, /src/cmd/acme/mail it is apparently not installed by default? [I'm tired of the web interface. I tried mutt, which was easy to set up since you can find instructions for this. But I want the acme mail. And there seem to be many things `somehow around', but not a coherent explanation of how to put the pieces (and which) together...] Thanks Ruda
Re: [9fans] mail client; general question web vs command
I just tried -- it works fine with gmail.
mailfs -t imap.gmail.com# -t enable TLS
It'll ask your for your username/password. Then start Mail in acme.
mailfs will look for stunnel in your system. In my system, it found
stunnel 4, which it doesn't know how to use. So, I had to point it to
stunnel3:
--- a/src/cmd/upas/nfs/imap.c Thu Aug 11 07:43:28 2011 -0400
+++ b/src/cmd/upas/nfs/imap.c Thu Aug 11 08:12:24 2011 -0400
@@ -756,8 +756,8 @@
fd[2] = dup(2, -1);
tmp = esmprint(%s:993, server);
if(threadspawnl(fd, tlsclient, tlsclient, tmp, nil) 0
-threadspawnl(fd, /usr/sbin/stunnel, stunnel, -c,
-r,
tmp, nil) 0
-threadspawnl(fd, /usr/bin/stunnel, stunnel, -c,
-r,
tmp, nil) 0){
+threadspawnl(fd, /usr/sbin/stunnel3, stunnel, -c,
-r, tmp, nil) 0
+threadspawnl(fd, /usr/bin/stunnel3, stunnel, -c,
-r,
tmp, nil) 0){
free(tmp);
close(p[0]);
close(p[1]);
On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 6:42 AM, Rudolf Sykora rudolf.syk...@gmail.com wrote:
Can anybody point me to some recipe which would get me from a point
when I have p9p installed to a point when I can read mail from my
gmail account via imap(s) in p9p acme?
Well, that's a pity nobody can help :(
Is there any reason for that man pages of p9p
http://swtch.com/plan9port/man/
do not mention neither upas nor mail?
(So nobody actually uses it today?)
Also, although some mail program is present,
/src/cmd/acme/mail
it is apparently not installed by default?
[I'm tired of the web interface. I tried mutt, which was easy to set
up since you can find instructions for this. But I want the acme mail.
And there seem to be many things `somehow around', but not a coherent
explanation of how to put the pieces (and which) together...]
Thanks
Ruda
Re: [9fans] mail client; general question web vs command
But what about sending mail? I've only ever configured Plan 9 to act as its own smtp server, have never done anything with p9p or a remove server. It's pretty much the same as on Plan 9. See $PLAN9/mail/lib/rewrite. -- David du Colombier
Re: [9fans] mail client; general question web vs command
Hello, On 4 August 2011 17:49, Mathieu Lonjaret mathieu.lonja...@gmail.com wrote: Btw, for those who don't know yet, I have a version here with threading for p9p acme Mail: https://bitbucket.org/mpl/acmemail-with-sort-by-thread/overview nothing fancy but it suits my needs well enough. On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 10:14 PM, Jacob Todd jaketodd...@gmail.com wrote: Acme has Mail. It doesn't do threading like mutt or anything, but it works. Can anybody point me to some recipe which would get me from a point when I have p9p installed to a point when I can read mail from my gmail account via imap(s) in p9p acme? (I now spent some time on that, but have been unsuccessful so far.) Thank you! Ruda
Re: [9fans] mail client; general question web vs command
Btw, for those who don't know yet, I have a version here with threading for p9p acme Mail: https://bitbucket.org/mpl/acmemail-with-sort-by-thread/overview nothing fancy but it suits my needs well enough. On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 10:14 PM, Jacob Todd jaketodd...@gmail.com wrote: Acme has Mail. It doesn't do threading like mutt or anything, but it works.
Re: [9fans] mail client; general question web vs command
On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 6:42 AM, Russ Cox r...@swtch.com wrote: If anyone does this, I also suggest using Russ' rc version (ported to Plan 9) of Acme Mail, instead of adapting the C code. russ has an rc version of acme mail? russ Take the hint, Russ!
[9fans] mail client; general question web vs command
Robert Raschke coded a threaded version of Acme's News. But that depends on the filesystem hierarchy of messages in nntpfs. (n)upasfs does not thread messages at the level of the fs. Indeed, it would be a better approach to thread at the interface level, which should be possible all the same and could apply to Acme's News interface as well (so we can perhaps remove a lot of that code from nntpfs). upas/fs has all the information it needs to do the threading, and it's cached. the client, otoh will need to scan the entire mail box to determine threading. this can be pretty slow if your mailbox is not small. and threading's usefulness depends on your mailbox being not small. what upas/fs lacks is the ability to present the same mailbox many times. this would allow for a single store rather than moving messages around. nedmail is already equiped to handle threading, since it handles subfolders already. (for lack of threading, i use nedmail's g/subject/h or g/sender/h.) If anyone does this, I also suggest using Russ' rc version (ported to Plan 9) of Acme Mail, instead of adapting the C code. this sounds tempting, but how are you going to thread efficiently in rc? (russ' upas/nfs is much different in presentation than upas/fs.) - erik
Re: [9fans] mail client; general question web vs command
If anyone does this, I also suggest using Russ' rc version (ported to Plan 9) of Acme Mail, instead of adapting the C code. russ has an rc version of acme mail? russ
Re: [9fans] mail client; general question web vs command
I've been using a gmail account with the usual access via a web browser for quite a while. Sometimes I get little angry when using it, for various reasons, often due to the firefox's slowness to render the page (scrolling a longer thread is often pain for me). I'd like to ask you. Do you use some client like e.g. mutt / heirloom mailx / some plan9 client, and find its utility superior to a web-based way? At Flock we used Gmail as our corporate email service :-P I just pointed upas/fs at Google's IMAP servers and carried on using Acme Mail and nedmail as usual. htmlfmt(1) is a superior HTML mail reader, in my books. Using a small rc script it was trivial to run two distinct mail client instances on my terminal — one pointed at Google for work mail, the other pointed at my own IMAP server for personal mail. Like Eric, I used nedmail as a dumb threading tool. It was very useful as a brute force defence against all the cron spam our servers sent out. I would run a script that invoked nedmail to whack all the usual suspects based on subject, from, and to headers, then read the leftovers in Acme. Upas also made it very simple to write adhoc scripts to usefully process all that cron spam, something you'll never be able to do with a webmail client. --lyndon
Re: [9fans] mail client; general question web vs command
On Sun, 31 Jul 2011 22:00:57 +0200 Rudolf Sykora rudolf.syk...@gmail.com wrote: (I at least want to e.g. know, that using a web-client, although it is a pain, is probably the way to go, and that I should perhaps have a look for a quicker / simpler browser...) Indeed. I find Firefox seems to run javascript about half the speed Opera does while using more CPU.
Re: [9fans] mail client; general question web vs command
On 7/31/11, Jacob Todd jaketodd...@gmail.com wrote: Acme has Mail. It doesn't do threading like mutt or anything, but it works. Robert Raschke coded a threaded version of Acme's News. But that depends on the filesystem hierarchy of messages in nntpfs. (n)upasfs does not thread messages at the level of the fs. Indeed, it would be a better approach to thread at the interface level, which should be possible all the same and could apply to Acme's News interface as well (so we can perhaps remove a lot of that code from nntpfs). If anyone does this, I also suggest using Russ' rc version (ported to Plan 9) of Acme Mail, instead of adapting the C code. Best, ak
[9fans] mail client; general question web vs command
Hello everybody! I've been using a gmail account with the usual access via a web browser for quite a while. Sometimes I get little angry when using it, for various reasons, often due to the firefox's slowness to render the page (scrolling a longer thread is often pain for me). I'd like to ask you. Do you use some client like e.g. mutt / heirloom mailx / some plan9 client, and find its utility superior to a web-based way? Do you e.g. use imap to connect to gmail and read mail? I wonder if one can use such thin clients and not loose to much of comfort / lucity / clarity / ease of use. What do you generally consider the 'sucklest' way of reading mail? (except for not reading it...) Thank you! Ruda (I at least want to e.g. know, that using a web-client, although it is a pain, is probably the way to go, and that I should perhaps have a look for a quicker / simpler browser...)
Re: [9fans] mail client; general question web vs command
Acme has Mail. It doesn't do threading like mutt or anything, but it works.
Re: [9fans] mail client; general question web vs command
I prefer gmail's basic html view. It's working reliably, because it's not maintained any more: http://mail.google.com/mail/h/
