Re: [9fans] Plan 9 Foundation is a 501(c)(3)

[Skip Tavakkolian]

Both of the domains belong to the Plan 9 Foundation; p9f.org is mainly
focused on sources and plan9foundation.org is for the public
information about the organization and governance. Selecting
"Activities" from the top menu at plan9foundation.org will show what
P9F has done so far (https://plan9foundation.org/activities.html).
P9F is organizing the IWP9 2024.

On Wed, Dec 13, 2023 at 10:58 AM Lyndon Nerenberg (VE7TFX/VE6BBM)
 wrote:
> 
> This is great news, but just before I start throwing money your
> way, it would be nice to know what you're planning to do with it.
> Other than the announcements about the creation of the foundation
> itself, and now this, it as been pretty much radio silence about
> what you're planning to get up to.
> 
> Also, what's the difference between plan9foundation.org and p9f.org?
> 
> --lyndon

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Re: [9fans] Plan 9 Foundation is a 501(c)(3)

[Lyndon Nerenberg (VE7TFX/VE6BBM)]

This is great news, but just before I start throwing money your
way, it would be nice to know what you're planning to do with it.
Other than the announcements about the creation of the foundation
itself, and now this, it as been pretty much radio silence about
what you're planning to get up to.

Also, what's the difference between plan9foundation.org and p9f.org?

--lyndon

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Re: [9fans] Plan 9 Foundation is a 501(c)(3)

[a]

> If you’d like to make a donation in another way, more
> information can be found on the Foundation’s page for
> donations:
>   http://plan9foundation.org/donate.html

It's been pointed out to me that the text didn't match the
helpfully-automatically-added link. What the text says is
correct, of course.

Should've stuck to nedmail!

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Re: [9fans] Plan 9 Foundation is a 501(c)(3)

[quiekaizam via 9fans]

Nice! Congrats and good work.
Looking forward to a bright 9 future.

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 Foundation is a 501(c)(3)

[Kurt H Maier via 9fans]

On Tue, Dec 12, 2023 at 07:22:01PM -0800, Anthony Sorace wrote:
>Since announcing the Plan 9 Foundation, folks have asked how they can
>support our work. We’ve had that “on hold” until we had a bunch of
>organizational things sorted. We’re very pleased to say that the last big
>one of those is now completed: the Plan 9 Foundation has been recognized
>as a 501(c)(3) organization by the IRS.
>If you’re a U.S. taxpayer, donations to the Foundation are now tax
>deductible. This also lets us participate in a lot of other things,
>perhaps most notably employer matching programs. If you work at a company
>with such a program, you can now multiply your donation. 
>The easiest way to make a donation is via credit/debit card here:
>https://www.zeffy.com/donation-form/25fe42cb-e841-497d-94b0-c05a3a5bb153
>Zeffy is a credit card processor that only works with non-profits and
>passes through your entire donation amount (they’ll ask you for an
>optional “tip” to fund their operations).
>If you’d like to make a donation in another way, more information can be
>found on the Foundation’s page for donations:
>http://plan9foundation.org/donate.html
>On behalf of the board, thanks to everyone who’s expressed interest for
>your patience in getting to this point.
>Anthony Sorace,
>Treasurer
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Congrats on getting this done.  It's not an easy thing and the work that
went into it is appreciated.

khm

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Re: [9fans] Plan 9 Foundation

[hiro]

in my legislation churches devoted to glenda worshipping are considered sects.
it would be great to be able and register in a country where this is
possibly a church instead.

I found another place where this is discussed
https://old.reddit.com/r/plan9/comments/lgoz01/plan_9_foundation/

i approve of this displayed intent to unite the factions and bring
plan9 forward, but I fear it will be very hard to track so many media
for anybody involved in any of the "factions".

some may have no hackernews account, some may have no reddit account,
some may have no github account, and all this to me combined comes
technically in the way of seamless communication. not a unique thing
to this community, but nonetheless a regretful problem.

maybe at a certain size fragmentation is even necessary.
perhaps it is after all a sign of plan9's success that this seemingly
conflictual topic is coming up now.

in the meantime, everybody keep on booting their plan9 for it's own
sake, please :)

On 2/10/21, Kim Shrier  wrote:
> Great news.
> 
> As soon as you work out the details, please announce on this list.
> I would like to become a member and donate $ as well.
> 
> Kim

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Re: [9fans] Plan 9 Foundation

[pouya+lists . 9fans]

> We are pleased to announce the creation of the Plan 9 Foundation.

This is excellent news.  I am especially excited to see some familiar
names in the signature (the familiarity is one-directional, partly
from when I was lurking around Plan 9 lists back in the 2000s).

Would be keen to learn how to support your work.

Pouya


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Re: [9fans] Plan 9 Foundation

[Kim Shrier]

Great news.

As soon as you work out the details, please announce on this list.
I would like to become a member and donate $ as well.

Kim

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Re: [9fans] Plan 9 Foundation

[Skip Tavakkolian]

It is probably fair to say it's harder than setting up an organized
church[*] or a Super PAC[**]

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Our_Lady_of_Perpetual_Exemption
** https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colbert_Super_PAC

P.S. For those not familiar with US tax code, politics, or comedy shows: a
Venn diagram intersecting all three would have at least the above two
examples.

On Wed, Feb 10, 2021 at 10:35 AM Wes Kussmaul  wrote:

>
> On 2/10/21 12:17 PM, Kurt H Maier wrote:
> > On Tue, Feb 09, 2021 at 11:40:18PM -0800, Anthony Sorace wrote:
> >> More information can be found on our web site, http://p9f.org/.
> >>
> > "That effort stalled, mainly due to the treatment of software-focused
> > non-profit organizations under U.S. regulations at the time."
> >
> > What does this mean?
> >
> >
> Let me guess.
> 
> In their ongoing effort to starve open source projects of resources,
> proprietary software vendors lobbied Congress to add special
> requirements for software projects filing IRS Form 1023?
> 

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Re: [9fans] Plan 9 Foundation

[Anthony Sorace]

It did not seem to be anything so nefarious. The IRS was not publicly stating 
their reasons and I don’t want to speculate about them too much, but it seemed 
to just be a pause while they figured out how to differentiate legitimate 
organizations from scam ones.

> On Feb 10, 2021, at 10:35, Wes Kussmaul  wrote:
> 
> 
>> On 2/10/21 12:17 PM, Kurt H Maier wrote:
>>> On Tue, Feb 09, 2021 at 11:40:18PM -0800, Anthony Sorace wrote:
>>> More information can be found on our web site, http://p9f.org/.
>>> 
>> "That effort stalled, mainly due to the treatment of software-focused
>> non-profit organizations under U.S. regulations at the time."
>> 
>> What does this mean?
>> 
>> 
> Let me guess.
> 
> In their ongoing effort to starve open source projects of resources, 
> proprietary software vendors lobbied Congress to add special requirements for 
> software projects filing IRS Form 1023?
> 

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Re: [9fans] Plan 9 Foundation

[Wes Kussmaul]

On 2/10/21 12:17 PM, Kurt H Maier wrote:

On Tue, Feb 09, 2021 at 11:40:18PM -0800, Anthony Sorace wrote:

More information can be found on our web site, http://p9f.org/.


"That effort stalled, mainly due to the treatment of software-focused
non-profit organizations under U.S. regulations at the time."

What does this mean?



Let me guess.

In their ongoing effort to starve open source projects of resources, 
proprietary software vendors lobbied Congress to add special 
requirements for software projects filing IRS Form 1023?



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Re: [9fans] Plan 9 Foundation

[Anthony Sorace]

We’re starting off with the prior years’ GSoC money. We haven’t yet pursued 
other funding avenues since there’s still a bunch of legal/tax things we have 
to finish first. 

> On Feb 10, 2021, at 10:24, hiro <23h...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> you got other money sources lined up apart from gsoc?
> 
> i don't know if this might open up some new avenues for those of us
> who have programming dayjobs but would rather quit those and make
> something more meaningful that isn't profit-driven and part of the
> usual IT industry.
> 
> or what's the idea behind this foundation, the opportunity this might create?

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Re: [9fans] Plan 9 Foundation

[hiro]

you got other money sources lined up apart from gsoc?

i don't know if this might open up some new avenues for those of us
who have programming dayjobs but would rather quit those and make
something more meaningful that isn't profit-driven and part of the
usual IT industry.

or what's the idea behind this foundation, the opportunity this might create?

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Re: [9fans] Plan 9 Foundation

[Anthony Sorace]

The focus at that time (2009) was on getting a 501(c)3 org to accept the GSoC 
money after we were accepted that year. I talked to some folks doing similar 
things in other orgs and was advised that the IRS had stalled granting that to 
new software-focused non-profits. Since that main driver evaporated, we didn’t 
push in with the formation. The IRS has figured it out since 2009. :-)

> On Feb 10, 2021, at 09:19, Kurt H Maier  wrote:
> 
> On Tue, Feb 09, 2021 at 11:40:18PM -0800, Anthony Sorace wrote:
>> 
>> More information can be found on our web site, http://p9f.org/.
>> 
> 
> "That effort stalled, mainly due to the treatment of software-focused
> non-profit organizations under U.S. regulations at the time."
> 
> What does this mean?
> 
> khm

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Re: [9fans] Plan 9 Foundation

[Kurt H Maier]

On Tue, Feb 09, 2021 at 11:40:18PM -0800, Anthony Sorace wrote:
> 
> More information can be found on our web site, http://p9f.org/.
> 

"That effort stalled, mainly due to the treatment of software-focused
non-profit organizations under U.S. regulations at the time."

What does this mean?

khm

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Re: [9fans] Plan 9 Foundation

[Joseph Stewart]

I would also like to support, so keep me posted on opportunities to support
and join the foundation. Cheers y’all!

On Wed, Feb 10, 2021 at 8:19 AM Marshall Conover 
wrote:

> Same! Enjoyed helping out with iwp92020, happy to help further.
>
> On Wed, Feb 10, 2021 at 11:07 AM Steve Simon  wrote:
>
>> > How do we get involved in or become a member of the foundation?
>> 
>> I too am interested in supporting plan9 in any form I can.
>> 
>> -Steve
>
>
> --
> Have a good day,
>
> Marshall Conover
> *9fans * / 9fans / see discussions
>  + participants
>  + delivery options
>  Permalink
> 
>

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Re: [9fans] Plan 9 Foundation

[Marshall Conover]

Same! Enjoyed helping out with iwp92020, happy to help further.

On Wed, Feb 10, 2021 at 11:07 AM Steve Simon  wrote:

> > How do we get involved in or become a member of the foundation?
> 
> I too am interested in supporting plan9 in any form I can.
> 
> -Steve


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Re: [9fans] Plan 9 Foundation

[Steve Simon]

> How do we get involved in or become a member of the foundation?

I too am interested in supporting plan9 in any form I can.

-Steve

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Re: [9fans] Plan 9 Foundation

[Anthony Sorace]

> Thierry asked:
> 
> One suggestion: add a link for donations. I, for one, when I can't
> provide code to software I'm interested in (even remotely), try at 
> least to give some money.
> Don asked:
> 
> How do we get involved in or become a member of the foundation?

Glad to hear there's interest!

We'll absolutely have ways for people to get involved (including financial 
support, for those inclined) soon, but there's still a bunch of stuff we have 
to get in order first.

Anthony


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Re: [9fans] Plan 9 Foundation

[Don A. Bailey]

How do we get involved in or become a member of the foundation?

D

> On Feb 10, 2021, at 2:41 AM, Anthony Sorace  wrote:
> 
> We are pleased to announce the creation of the Plan 9 Foundation.
> 
> The Foundation exists to promote and further the development of Plan 9 and 
> related technologies for lightweight distributed systems.
> 
> More information can be found on our web site, http://p9f.org/. We've also 
> brought up a new wiki, reachable on the web at http://p9f.org/wiki/welcome/ 
> or over 9p at tcp!p9f.org!wiki.
> 
> As our first major activity, the Plan 9 Foundation will be coordinating Plan 
> 9's application to (and, should we be accepted, participation in) Google's 
> Summer of Code. That includes hosting the all-important Ideas Page for this 
> year, as well as other supporting documentation; more on that in a separate 
> email.
> 
> We'll also be coordinating the return of the International Workshop on Plan 
> 9. Last year's efforts to bring IWP9 back were a big part of what led to the 
> creation of the Foundation. It's still not clear when we'll be able to have 
> an in-person conference responsibly, but we're eager to get there.
> 
> We want to make Plan 9 and all that surrounds it stronger, more accessible, 
> and more useful for all. We know there's plenty going on already and we want 
> to be clear that we're excited about that. We hope to add to that, provide 
> some additional resources, and improve things for everyone using Plan 9 
> technology in their projects.
> 
> We're still getting started and have quite a bit to do before everything is 
> running smoothly, but we're really excited for what the year's going to 
> bring. 2021 is going to be great for Glenda.
> 
> Thank you for your time,
> 
> Geoff Collier
> David du Colombier
> Charles Forsyth
> Paul Lalonde
> Ron Minnich
> Jeff Sickel
> Anthony Sorace
> Skip Tavakkolian
> 

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Re: [9fans] Plan 9 Foundation

[tlaronde]

Hello,

On Tue, Feb 09, 2021 at 11:40:18PM -0800, Anthony Sorace wrote:
> We are pleased to announce the creation of the Plan 9 Foundation.
> 
> The Foundation exists to promote and further the development of Plan 9 and 
> related technologies for lightweight distributed systems.
> 
> More information can be found on our web site, http://p9f.org/. We've also 
> brought up a new wiki, reachable on the web at http://p9f.org/wiki/welcome/ 
> or over 9p at tcp!p9f.org!wiki.
> 
> As our first major activity, the Plan 9 Foundation will be coordinating Plan 
> 9's application to (and, should we be accepted, participation in) Google's 
> Summer of Code. That includes hosting the all-important Ideas Page for this 
> year, as well as other supporting documentation; more on that in a separate 
> email.
> 

One suggestion: add a link for donations. I, for one, when I can't
provide code to software I'm interested in (even remotely), try at 
least to give some money.

My 2 cts (it will be a little more if I donate),
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