Re: [9fans] scheme plan 9
The performance was enjoyable indeed, and interesting. Thanks :-) Although, I bet you can get better results in an easier way with VST. No tool is universal. Just in case, the video wouldn't load even with the latest version of Adobe Flash Player on Opera (some problem with Vimeo, presumably). I downloaded the excerpt in MOV and watched it. --On Thursday, September 03, 2009 08:57 -0700 Bakul Shah wrote: On Thu, 03 Sep 2009 07:29:53 BST Eris Discordia wrote: I mean, I never got past SICP Chapter 1 because that first chapter got me asking, "why this much hassle?" May be you had an impedance mismatch with SICP? P.S. I'm leaving. You may now remove your arts-and-letters-cootie-protection suits and go back to normal tech-savvy attire ;-) This may not be your cup of tea or be artsy enough for you but check out what happens when tech meets arts: http://impromptu.moso.com.au/gallery.html Start the first video; may be skip the first 3 minutes or so but after that stay with it for a few minutes. The author is creating music by *coding* in real time (and doing a great job!). He uses Impromptu, a Scheme programming environment, that supports realtime scheduling and low level sound synthesis. Given Scheme one can then build arbitrarily complex signal processing graphs. For some subset of people this sort of thing just might be a better introduction to programming than SICP. Basically anything that allows them to do fun things with programming and leaves them wanting more. BTW, you too can download impromptu on OS X and synthesise your own noize!
Re: [9fans] scheme plan 9
> This may not be your cup of tea or be artsy enough for you > but check out what happens when tech meets arts: > > http://impromptu.moso.com.au/gallery.html i enjoyed this. thanks.
Re: [9fans] scheme plan 9
On Thu, 03 Sep 2009 07:29:53 BST Eris Discordia wrote: > > I mean, I never got past SICP Chapter 1 because that first chapter got me > asking, "why this much hassle?" May be you had an impedance mismatch with SICP? > P.S. I'm leaving. You may now remove your > arts-and-letters-cootie-protection suits and go back to normal tech-savvy > attire ;-) This may not be your cup of tea or be artsy enough for you but check out what happens when tech meets arts: http://impromptu.moso.com.au/gallery.html Start the first video; may be skip the first 3 minutes or so but after that stay with it for a few minutes. The author is creating music by *coding* in real time (and doing a great job!). He uses Impromptu, a Scheme programming environment, that supports realtime scheduling and low level sound synthesis. Given Scheme one can then build arbitrarily complex signal processing graphs. For some subset of people this sort of thing just might be a better introduction to programming than SICP. Basically anything that allows them to do fun things with programming and leaves them wanting more. BTW, you too can download impromptu on OS X and synthesise your own noize!
Re: [9fans] scheme plan 9
> P.S. I'm leaving. You may now remove your > arts-and-letters-cootie-protection suits and go back to normal tech-savvy > attire ;-) that's okay. given the adverts^wposts on the list today, we may just maintain our choate quota without you. - erik
Re: [9fans] scheme plan 9
Killing parens won't make you an adult :-) Killing the paren(t)s is the hobbyist(eenager)'s radical response to existential why's that arise as the world of exper(adul)ts opens up before them and regularities in there are found to be essentially conventional rather than rational or natural. I mean, I never got past SICP Chapter 1 because that first chapter got me asking, "why this much hassle?" P.S. I'm leaving. You may now remove your arts-and-letters-cootie-protection suits and go back to normal tech-savvy attire ;-) --On Wednesday, September 02, 2009 09:35 -0700 Bakul Shah wrote: On Wed, 02 Sep 2009 12:32:53 BST Eris Discordia wrote: Although, you may be better off reading SICP "as intended," and use MIT Scheme on either Windows or a *NIX. The book (and the freaking language) is already hard/unusual enough for one to not want to get confused by implementation quirks. (Kill the paren!) The second edition of SICP uses IEEE Scheme (basically R4RS Scheme) and pretty much every Scheme implementation supports R4RS -- s9fes from http://www.t3x.org/s9fes/ certainly supports it. It doesn't support rational or complex numbers but as I recall no example in SICP relies on those. Killing parens won't make you an adult :-)
Re: [9fans] scheme plan 9
I use chibi at work; s'not bad considering the size, & certainly better than tinyscheme. I currently use a custom dialect for new stuff, but the old is either Chibi or Gauche. On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 11:13 AM, David Leimbach wrote: > > > On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 7:30 AM, Iruata Souza wrote: > >> On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 8:32 AM, Eris Discordia >> wrote: >> > Although, you may be better off reading SICP "as intended," and use MIT >> > Scheme on either Windows or a *NIX. The book (and the freaking language) >> is >> > already hard/unusual enough for one to not want to get confused by >> > implementation quirks. (Kill the paren!) >> > >> >> for the most part of the book Plan 9 is as good as the mentioned >> options, except if you want a more lispy editor. >> >> iru >> >> Check out chibi-schemehttp://code.google.com/p/chibi-scheme/ > > foof on freenode in #scheme is working on it, and it's got Plan 9 support > as well as others. Well last I heard from a friend who's been using and > working with it. > > Dave > -- And in the "Only Prolog programmers will find this funny" department: Q: How many Prolog programmers does it take to change a lightbulb? A: No. -- Ovid "By cosmic rule, as day yields night, so winter summer, war peace, plenty famine. All things change. Air penetrates the lump of myrrh, until the joining bodies die and rise again in smoke called incense." "Men do not know how that which is drawn in different directions harmonises with itself. The harmonious structure of the world depends upon opposite tension like that of the bow and the lyre." "This universe, which is the same for all, has not been made by any god or man, but it always has been, is, and will be an ever-living fire, kindling itself by regular measures and going out by regular measures" -- Heraclitus
Re: [9fans] scheme plan 9
On Wed, 02 Sep 2009 12:32:53 BST Eris Discordia wrote: > Although, you may be better off reading SICP "as intended," and use MIT > Scheme on either Windows or a *NIX. The book (and the freaking language) is > already hard/unusual enough for one to not want to get confused by > implementation quirks. (Kill the paren!) The second edition of SICP uses IEEE Scheme (basically R4RS Scheme) and pretty much every Scheme implementation supports R4RS -- s9fes from http://www.t3x.org/s9fes/ certainly supports it. It doesn't support rational or complex numbers but as I recall no example in SICP relies on those. Killing parens won't make you an adult :-)
Re: [9fans] scheme plan 9
On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 7:30 AM, Iruata Souza wrote: > On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 8:32 AM, Eris Discordia > wrote: > > Although, you may be better off reading SICP "as intended," and use MIT > > Scheme on either Windows or a *NIX. The book (and the freaking language) > is > > already hard/unusual enough for one to not want to get confused by > > implementation quirks. (Kill the paren!) > > > > for the most part of the book Plan 9 is as good as the mentioned > options, except if you want a more lispy editor. > > iru > > Check out chibi-schemehttp://code.google.com/p/chibi-scheme/ foof on freenode in #scheme is working on it, and it's got Plan 9 support as well as others. Well last I heard from a friend who's been using and working with it. Dave
Re: [9fans] scheme plan 9
On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 8:32 AM, Eris Discordia wrote: > Although, you may be better off reading SICP "as intended," and use MIT > Scheme on either Windows or a *NIX. The book (and the freaking language) is > already hard/unusual enough for one to not want to get confused by > implementation quirks. (Kill the paren!) > for the most part of the book Plan 9 is as good as the mentioned options, except if you want a more lispy editor. iru
Re: [9fans] scheme plan 9
> number of schemes > 4 > > http://www.plan9.bell-labs.com/wiki/plan9/Contrib_index/ One that's not in the contrib tree is s9fes (Scheme 9 From Empty Space). BLS
Re: [9fans] scheme plan 9
Although, you may be better off reading SICP "as intended," and use MIT Scheme on either Windows or a *NIX. The book (and the freaking language) is already hard/unusual enough for one to not want to get confused by implementation quirks. (Kill the paren!) --On Wednesday, September 02, 2009 10:21 +0100 matt wrote: number of schemes > 4 http://www.plan9.bell-labs.com/wiki/plan9/Contrib_index/ maybe one is what you are looking for there is also a gsoc project, search 9fans for more details http://9fans.net/archive/ xiangyu wrote: HI,everyone: Has anyone ported scheme into plan 9 ? or is there some scheme implementation existence on plan 9 ? i want to learn SCIP recently ,but i can't find a scheme in plan 9 . so ask .. looking forward for the answer as soon as possible... thanks first.
Re: [9fans] scheme plan 9
number of schemes > 4 http://www.plan9.bell-labs.com/wiki/plan9/Contrib_index/ maybe one is what you are looking for there is also a gsoc project, search 9fans for more details http://9fans.net/archive/ xiangyu wrote: HI,everyone: Has anyone ported scheme into plan 9 ? or is there some scheme implementation existence on plan 9 ? i want to learn SCIP recently ,but i can't find a scheme in plan 9 . so ask .. looking forward for the answer as soon as possible... thanks first.
