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[abcusers] Chords

[Jack Campin]

>> [ABCMus auto-harmonization] has a cute feature which is fun to play
>> with: it allows you to adjust a "strangeness" factor--the higher the
>> strangeness factor, the stranger the chords it sets.  And they can
>> be pretty strange, indeed... 
> Yes, but even if you set "strangeness" in AbcMus to 100% at least 
> one of the notes in the chord must also be in the beat or bar it is 
> set to...

This kind of thing goes back a long way.  Here's an example from the
end of the Renaissance:

X:8
T:Tristrophon hendecasyllabum Armenicum
T:Melothesia Armenica secundi toni
S:Athanasius Kircher, Musurgia Universalis (1650), lib.VIII p.136
N:If I understand the Latin correctly he got this from the
N:Jesuits and harmonized it using his mechanical rules.
N:The second G in voice 3 bar 1 is E natural in my notes;
N:dunno if I transcribed it wrong or Kircher had a typo.
M:8/2 % C|
L:1/4
Q:1/2=60 % guess
W: Garrachat parraz nuruche smidaz luhs
W: Ansdieziet ariechagan luhs dzachia huchus
W: Pirchieziet puguriz sesa puta pirchel.
%
W: Splendor gloriae renovat mentis lumen
W: Increati itaque solis lux orire huic animae
W: O Redemptor Universi hanc festina redimere.
V:1
V:2
V:3 transpose -12
V:4 transpose -12
K:G dorian
V:1 d2 dd  B2 d  d2 cAG c2d2 |B2dc B2c B2A  AB   A2 A2|G2GG A2A  B2B  GG ^F2G2 ||
V:2 G2^FG  G2=F  F2_EDG F2F2 |D2DE G2A G2F  EG   E2^F2|D2DD F2F  G2F _ED  D2D2 ||
V:3 B2 AB  G2 A  D2 GFB A2B2 |d2Bc d2f d2d ^cd2   ^cd2|B2BB c2c _e2d  cB  A2G2 ||
V:4 G,2DG _E2 D  B,2CDE F2B,2|B2BA G2F G2D  A,G, A,2D2|G2GG F2F _E2B, CG, D2G,2||

The harmonization was done with a tool like Napier's bones (the description
is long and complicated with pages and pages of tables, I could probably
work out the Latin given enough time but it wouldn't be easy).  That effect
at the end of bar 2 says the method must have been quite subtle.  He doesn't
describe his working for each individual tune.

This is also the earliest example I know of "world music" in Europe -
Kircher used liturgical tunes brought back by the Jesuits from all over
the Middle East and North Africa.

How close can ABCMus get to reconstructing what Kircher's algorithm did?

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Re: [abcusers] re : jcabc2ps and mystery breton tune

[John Chambers]

| I found the jcabc2ps sources in the repertory :
| http://trillian.mit.edu/~jc/music/abc/src/jcabc2ps/
|
| I didn't managed to find any .gzipped file in it. Maybe in
| /src/jcabc2ps/ at an other adress (I remember for some years ago
| there was an other one) ?
| So I used an offline browser to get all the files.

Try the parent directory.  You wouldn't  want  to  build  it  in  the
jcabc2ps  directory, because then it would try to include itself.  In
.../src/ there are several tar.gz files.  The latest ones have  dates
in the name saying when they were built.

| Tri Yann gave a name to it, but this is certainly an anonymous
| andro that didn't had any name at all (like 99% of the breton
| tunes (when they aren't songs of course))

Yeah; that's a common problem.  I also play a lot of Scandinavian
music, where there are also a lot of nameless tunes.

| Do you know how to danse Koster Hoed (another breton danse) ? It's
| very funny :)

No; I don't know much of that sort of dance.  But there are some good
tunes ...


Anyway, I'm off to a big local dance festival for the rest of the
weekend.


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[abcusers] re : parts, repeats...

[Forgeot Eric]

>There are some problems involved in the current definition. How 
>do you for instance handle combinations of |: :| repeats and P: 
>specifications such as the following:


>T:P test
>M:6/8
>P:AABB
>K:G
>P:A
>GAB GAB | FGA FGA |
>P:B
>dBG dBG :| AFD FAc ||
>
>Should this be played as follows?
>GAB GAB | FGA FGA | GAB GAB | FGA FGA |
>dBG dBG | dBG dBG | AFD FAc ||
>dBG dBG | dBG dBG | AFD FAc ||

I think so. I understand the P: field to act like that :
"play it like it is written until you meet a new play field", so
each part is a sort of independant entity and the P: field in the
header is the "master track".


John, your repeat with colons is a clever idea.  |:: ... ::| ,
|::: ... |1,3 ... :|2,4 ... :| etc.
Ans so is the one with the ending bracket
 |: ... | ... |[1 ... ]:|[2 ... | ... ]|

This should be added in the abc standard. I'm only an user (I only
write tunes, not software) here, but I've heard that there would
be a sort of vote from all the abcusers in order to decide what is
(maybe) the best to add in the standard.
After that, programmers can decide if they want to implement this
in their program. 

>> The following works perfectly well with ABC2Win:
>> CEC DED |1-3 EGE FAF :|2,4 EFG FED :|"last time" EFG ABc|

>I can't see many humans being able to sightread that piece of
notation
>anyway.  As I understand it, it expands out into
>
> CEC DED | EGE FAF |
> CEC DED | EGE FAF | EFG FED |
> CEC DED | EGE FAF |
> CEC DED | EFG FED |
> CEC DED | EFG ABc |

Shouldn't it be understood :

CEC DED | EGE FAF |
CEC DED | EFG FED |
CEC DED | EGE FAF |
CEC DED | EFG FED |
CEC DED | EFG ABc |

instead ?



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[abcusers] re : jcabc2ps and mystery breton tune

[Forgeot Eric]

I found the jcabc2ps sources in the repertory :
http://trillian.mit.edu/~jc/music/abc/src/jcabc2ps/

I didn't managed to find any .gzipped file in it. Maybe in 
/src/jcabc2ps/ at an other adress (I remember for some years ago
there was an other one) ?
So I used an offline browser to get all the files. 

about the mystery breton tune that Tri Yann calls "Kerfank 1870",
you said :


"Looking through old mail, I ran across this one.  Did anyone give
you
any information about the tune? It's a nice tune, and it'd be good
to
have a proper name, etc."


| Anybody know anything about this tune?  (I already asked this on
| uk.music.folk, no answer).  I got it as a graphics file off the
| Internet years ago and have been playing it ever since, but have
| come across it recently in two different contexts - a Canadian
| fiddler I know plays it, and the first half is similar to the
| opening of the 19th century Welsh hymn tune "Alexander".  So I'd
| like to know more about it; the Breton title would be a start.
|
| X:1
| T:Breton tune
| N:octave shifts ad lib
| N:tempo unknown, seems to work at any speed
| Z:Jack Campin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> abcusers 2002-2-27
| M:2/4
| L:1/16
| K:E Minor
| E2B2 B2AB|c2B2 AGFG|A2A2 B2A2|GFEF G2F2|
| E2B2 B2AB|c2B2 AGFG|A2A2 B2A2|GFEF E4 :|
| E2E2 F2GF|E2E2 FEFG|A2A2 B2A2|GFEF G2F2|
| E2E2 F2GF|E2E2 FEFG|A2A2 B2A2|GFEF E4 :|


Tri Yann gave a name to it, but this is certainly an anonymous
andro that didn't had any name at all (like 99% of the breton
tunes (when they aren't songs of course))

Do you know how to danse Koster Hoed (another breton danse) ? It's
very funny :)

X:9
T:Kost'er Hoed 
R:Kost'er Hoed 
C:Trad.
O:France
A:Bretagne
Z:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
M:4/4
L:1/8
Q:1/4=175
K:C
AB cB dc {Bd}B2 | cB AG A2A2 | AB cB dc BB | cB AG A2A2 ::
AB cB dc (3BcB | AB cd ee/e/ eg | e2 dc ed {ce}c2 | Bc AG A2A2 :|


I wish there where a danse notation as simple as Abc notation to
use, in order to remember or share trad. danses. (Baroques
notations like Feuillet's one are only graphical, and not easy to
use).


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