Re: [abcusers] new abcpp release

[Guido Gonzato]

On Fri, 1 Nov 2002, Bert Van Vreckem wrote:

> Guido Gonzato wrote:
> > Hello,
> > 
> > I have released version 1.2.2 of the abcpp preprocessor. Changes include:
> 
> Damn! And I only just downloaded and installed 1.2.1 yesterday! ;-)
> 
> Great program, by the way. Is the fact that preprocessor directives 
> start with a # intentional? If I designed it, I would probably have made 
> them start with %%, the traditional way of writing `special' comments in 
> abc...

I intentionally designed it using '#' as it's standard for preprocessors.
I'm glad you like it, but please don't call it "a great program"... ;-)
it's just a quick hack that shows how limited a programmer I am. All other
ABC packages are "great programs", IMO!

Thank you for your interest,

  Guido =8-)

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Re: [abcusers] The > symbol and abc2midi

[Frank Nordberg]

Phil Taylor wrote:
> 
> >You've got BarFly, which can create MIDI itself, so why do you need
> >to bother with abc2midi?
> 
> BarFly creates midi by first making a QT movie, then using Quicktime to
> convert that to midi.  Since Quicktime has no notion of key, time signature
> or even what length of notated note corresponds to a given duration, the
> resulting midi causes untold pain to music notation programs, although it
> plays beautifully.

That's right. BarFly makes some of the best automatically created midi
files there are for playback, but they're completely useless for
conversion purposes.

> 
> Something else I'm going to fix soon...

Great, as long as you remember not to throw the baby out with the bathwater!


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Re: [abcusers] abc's of old-time, country, texas swing andbluegrass

[Frank Nordberg]

Jack Campin wrote:
> 
> > I was wondering if anyone knows of collections of
> > ABC's online that contain a large number of bluegrass,
> > old-time, texas swing and country fiddling?
> 
> I don't think there are any.
> 
> I would have liked to do ABCs of the Henry Reed stuff at the
> Library of Congress but their user interface is impossible
> (you have to click for every single file, no download-it-all
> option).

This probably isn't good netiquette, but try:
http://www.musicaviva.com/test/reed.html
with some bulk downloading program (such as Interarchy).
One warning, though, the tif files are big, so you should see if you
could manage with just the gifs first.

(You could also try http://memory.loc.gov/afc/afcreed/ of course, but
that's a bit more complicated. There are lots of *really* big audio
files there as well and you'll need a way to filter out them unless you
want to spend the next few weeks downloading.)


Frank
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Re: [abcusers] The > symbol and abc2midi

[Phil Taylor]

>You've got BarFly, which can create MIDI itself, so why do you need
>to bother with abc2midi?

BarFly creates midi by first making a QT movie, then using Quicktime to
convert that to midi.  Since Quicktime has no notion of key, time signature
or even what length of notated note corresponds to a given duration, the
resulting midi causes untold pain to music notation programs, although it
plays beautifully.

Something else I'm going to fix soon...

Phil Taylor


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Re: [abcusers] abc's of old-time, country, texas swing andbluegrass

[Jack Campin]

> I was wondering if anyone knows of collections of
> ABC's online that contain a large number of bluegrass,
> old-time, texas swing and country fiddling?

I don't think there are any.

I would have liked to do ABCs of the Henry Reed stuff at the
Library of Congress but their user interface is impossible
(you have to click for every single file, no download-it-all
option).


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Re: [abcusers] The > symbol and abc2midi

[Jack Campin]

>I have a rather substantial set of abcs (does "1001" ring a bell?) I
>need to convert into Finale files, and until Phil comes up with his
>promised XML-friendly BarFly and I get hold of Finale 2003, it has to be
>done via midi.
>
>But there's a problem with abc2midi's peculiar way of interpreting
><>-dotted notation.
>I think somebody mentioned a way around this some time ago. Does anybody
>remember how it was done?

You've got BarFly, which can create MIDI itself, so why do you need
to bother with abc2midi?



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[abcusers] thin+thick+thin triple bar lines?

[John Chambers]

Another not-very-consequential  topic  that  will  probably
trigger  a  long  discussion:  In my jcabc2ps clone, I just
added a bit of code that makes it recognize  |]|  and  |[|,
and  generates  a  nice-looking  thin+thick+thin triple bar
line.  This sorta worked before, but the code treated  them
as  combinations  of  two  symbols,  and drew them with the
spacing sorta funny.

I'd expect that most abc programs do accept these and  draw
something  more  or less like what you'd expect.  Are there
any programs that reject either of these in the middle of a
staff?   Of the programs that accept them, do they draw the
three bar lines with equal spacing?

I'm also considering adding some kludgery to make |][| look
nicer than it does.  The middle space is too wide.

This is probably not one of the great issues of the day ...



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[abcusers] The > symbol and abc2midi

[Forgeot Eric]

instead of adding the midi command for each tune, you may find it
easier to recompile the sources

you just have to change this :

 in the file store.c

  ratio_a = 2;
  ratio_b = 6;

(6 instead of 4, which made the Hornpipe rythm)



I can also provide my recompiled version if you prefer not to
bother with this...

Greetings.

Eric.



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[abcusers] abc's of old-time, country, texas swing and bluegrass

[Peter Sanderson]

Hello,

I was wondering if anyone knows of collections of
ABC's online that contain a large number of bluegrass,
old-time, texas swing and country fiddling?

Thanks

Peter

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AW: [abcusers] Four-stringed banjos (was: Music Notation)

[Toni Schilling]

Jon wrote:
> Tenor sets can be very hard to find in the UK too.
> As I mentioned before, I opt for singles but your type
> of solution is quite common - I used to do that too.

So it's not my invention ;-)

> If you wanted to try ordering sets from the UK, you could try
> Redwing Strings from Mally -
> http://www.mally.com/results.asp?CategoryID=42&offset=20 
> Hobgoblin are another possibility.

Thanks, I'll give that a try.

Toni
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Re: [abcusers] woodenflute list abc tune archive updated

[Steve Mansfield]

In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, John 
Chambers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes
(The count of known sites with abc tunes is now about 270.)


John

I'm moving ISPs, and want to be sure that my new site URL and structure 
will show up on the tune finder - do I have to do anything special or 
will the bot just find *.abc files on the new site?

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[abcusers] abc tutorial on the move

[Steve Mansfield]

I'm moving ISPs and my abc tutorial is on the move - please update your 
bookmarks / links!

The old site will be running down over the next few weeks,  but up until 
Xmas hits to the old address will refresh across to the new one.

The new site address is

http://www.lesession.vcisp.net/abc/abc_notation.htm

Thanks

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Re: [abcusers] Four-stringed banjos (was: Music Notation)

[Jon Freeman]

>I tune it GDAE (octave-mandolin) but I had to look a while for suitable
>strings.
>Now I use the C-, G- and D-string of a tenor-banjo-set as D-,A- and
>E-string.
>As a G-string I use the lower E-string of a guitar-banjo (I think about
>63cm length).
>This works realy good, the strings have nearly the same tension as they
>were desinged for.

Tenor sets can be very hard to find in the UK too.  As I mentioned before, I
opt for singles but your type of solution is quite common - I used to do
that too.  If you wanted to try ordering sets from the UK, you could try
Redwing Strings from Mally -
http://www.mally.com/results.asp?CategoryID=42&offset=20 Hobgoblin are
another possibility.

Jon



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AW: [abcusers] Four-stringed banjos (was: Music Notation)

[Toni Schilling]

Frank Nordberg wrote:
> Jon Freeman wrote:
> > 
> > You will probably get better answers but I would suggest scale
length and
> > frets are the clue with the tenor running from somewhere round about
20" for
> > a short scale 17 fret job to maybe 23" for a 19 fretter compared to,
I think
> > around 26/27" for a 5 string or plecturm.
> 
> Thanks Jon.
> Mine has 20 frets and a little less han 23" scale length and sounds
> really nice in "octave-mandolin tuning".
> It solved another "problem" I've had recently too, btw. I never could
> decide whether I preferred playing Gilderoy on the mandolin 
> or on the guitar...
> 
> One more question:
> Would you consider the Irish and The New Orleans tenor banjos as two
> different instruments?
> 
> 
> > 
> > Tuning, are you sure you had strings suited to the tuning you tried?
> 
> The only type of four-string set I've ever seen in a Norwegian music
> store, is D'Addario's set for New Orleans-tuning, and it definitely
> doesn't work tuned that high on a 23" scale instrument.
> A friend of mine who is the Norwegian distributor of GHS and 
> a couple of
> other string brands, have promised me he can get strings for any
> stringed instrument that exists, though, so I guess I can 
> sort this out
> now that I know what to ask for.

Hi, I had the same problem in Germany to find the right strings.
Usually you can get 3 types of strings (CGDA for tenor, EADGBE for
guitar-bjo and strings for 5-string-bjo).
I got a nice 4-string-banjo. 18 frets. I don't know the exact length at
the moment but I think it's nearly 3cm shorter than what we call a
tenor-banjo around here.
I tune it GDAE (octave-mandolin) but I had to look a while for suitable
strings.
Now I use the C-, G- and D-string of a tenor-banjo-set as D-,A- and
E-string.
As a G-string I use the lower E-string of a guitar-banjo (I think about
63cm length).
This works realy good, the strings have nearly the same tension as they
were desinged for.

There are some Dixieland-banjo-players around here. Most of them don't
play
CGDA on their tenor-banjos. They tune down to BbFCG. Makes it much
easier to
play in keys like Eb, Bb, F, C. But the second reason is, that in
CGDA-tuning the
A-string breaks very often.
Btw. with capo=1 one a GDAE-bjo it's easy to change from Irisch music to
Dixieland.

Toni
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[abcusers] Duplicate removal from search engine

[Laurie (ukonline)]

| Is there any feasable way to avoid duplicates? I often seem to get the
same
| version of a tune within search results.  I guessing but do people lift
abc
| from one site and post it to another?

Is it feasible to create a "hash code" or "signature" for each tune?
Length is a start, but one would like to ignore some obvious ways that
things can get damaged.  So as a start - how about some of these:
1. Note if there are or are not any chords (one bit)
2. Note if there are any things other than notes present e.g.
!pralltriller!, ~, etc. (one more bit).
3. Throw away all chords, all headers and white space, (space, \t, \n, \r)
trailing ! or \ and all other annotations like the stuff in category 2
above.  Hash what's left - something like a code in the range 1..99 would do
fine.  Reducing duplicates to 1% would be acceptable.
4. Likewise hash the chords - the reserved hash value 0 meaning "there
aren't any chords".
5. As above but transposed to standard key...

So the final result is an N-part code made from some of the above (whatever
is easy to code up) such as C09-T76-H16 meaning "It does have chords and the
chords hash to 09, the tune hashes to 76 and the other stuff, headers etc.
hashes to code 16".   Another tune with (say) C00-T76-H16 is very likely to
be a copy of exactly the same tune but with no chords.

What do you think?  As a user of the tune finder (which I am!!) I think it
would make a lot of difference.

Laurie

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