[abcusers] *portable* representation of a very simple 3-part piece?
A recent discussion of mediaeval harmony on rec.music.early involved Margo Schulter posting a few examples in a roll-your-own ASCII notation, which led to some confused responses about proportional fonts. So, it seemed to me that ABC ought to fix that; fixed-width fonts are useful for ABC but not essential if you have software to turn it into something else. This is one of Margo's examples as she posted it: Readings of the rhythmic fine points in this rondeau, _He, Diex! quant verrai_, can vary, so that this version is only one possible solution, with each of the indicated semibreves dividing a breve taken as having equal duration (e.g. triplets at the end of the second unit): Musical Form: AB AAAB AB A | B 1 2 3 + | 1 + 2 3 + + | 1 2 3 + | 1 + 2 + 3 | 123 || C4F4 G4 A4G4 F4 E4 D4 E4 F4 G4 F4 E4 D4 B3 C4 F4F4 E4 D4 E4 E4 D4 C4 B3 C4 D4 C4 D4E4 F4 F3F3 A3 G3 A3 G3 G3 F3 My guess of what she meant, but with the part playing order commented out because of BarFly's bugs in interpreting it: X:1 T:He, Diex! quant verrai C:Adam de la Halle M:3/1 L:1/1 Q:1/1=80 % P:AB AAAB AB K:F Lydian % P:A [V:1] C2F/ G/ |A2 (3G/F/E/|D2 || [V:2] F2F/ F/ |E/D/ E (3E/D/C/|B,2|| [V:3] F,2 F,/ F,/|A,3|G,2|| % P:B [V:1] E/ F/| G/F/ E/D/ B,|C3 || [V:2] C| D/C/ DE |F3 || [V:3] A, | G,2 G,|F,3|| Margo replied as follows: --- begin quote --- Hello, there, and I'm using abc2ps, which gave curious results with the above file, but does part of what I'm going after with %%scale .92 %%maxshrink .8 X:2 T: He Diex! quant verrai T: Adam de la Halle M:3/4 L:1/8 P:ABAAABAB K:F Lydian -8va V:1 name=Tr P:A c4 fg | a4(3gfe | d4 \ V:2 name=Du f4 f2 | ed e2 (3edc | B4 \ V:3 name=Te F4 F2 | A4A2| G4 \ V:1 name=Tr P:B ef | gf ed B2 | c6|] V:2 name=Du c2 | dc d2 e2 | f6|] V:3 name=Te A2 | G4G2 | F6|] The problem is that I really don't want a line break between the two parts or sections of the piece, and it still happens, despite my using the \ characters at the end of the coded line. Maybe I should look for some other way to put an indication of the A and B sections into the score; if necessary, I could code it myself in PostScript by modifying the output from abc2ps. Of course, that isn't exactly portable abc code for exactly what I want. --- end quote --- But BarFly can neither play nor display her version. It doesn't even try to give an error report. If we're going to use ABC as an alternative to notations like Margo's original one on Usenet music forums, we need to do better than this. Can anybody come up with a version of the above piece which (a) displays and plays on BarFly (perhaps for now without doing the part order correctly, that can always be faked by a lot of copy and paste) (b) displays with abcm2ps (c) retains the source-readability of the above - this is essential as the notation would be posted to forums where most users have no previous experience of ABC and will object violently to gibberish in %% lines. And if there's another application which can process that piece in some recognizable way, let's see what modifications you need to make for it too. - Jack Campin: 11 Third Street, Newtongrange, Midlothian EH22 4PU; 0131 6604760 http://www.purr.demon.co.uk/jack * food intolerance data recipes, Mac logic fonts, Scots traditional music files, and my CD-ROM Embro, Embro. -- off-list mail to j-c rather than abc at this site, please -- To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] *portable* representation of a very simple 3-part piece?
From: Jack Campin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Margo replied as follows: --- begin quote --- Hello, there, and I'm using abc2ps, which gave curious results with the above file, but does part of what I'm going after with %%scale .92 %%maxshrink .8 X:2 T: He Diex! quant verrai T: Adam de la Halle M:3/4 L:1/8 P:ABAAABAB K:F Lydian -8va V:1 name=Tr P:A c4 fg | a4(3gfe | d4 \ V:2 name=Du f4 f2 | ed e2 (3edc | B4 \ V:3 name=Te F4 F2 | A4A2| G4 \ V:1 name=Tr P:B ef | gf ed B2 | c6|] V:2 name=Du c2 | dc d2 e2 | f6|] V:3 name=Te A2 | G4G2 | F6|] The problem is that I really don't want a line break between the two parts or sections of the piece, and it still happens, despite my using the \ characters at the end of the coded line. Maybe I should look for some other way to put an indication of the A and B sections into the score; if necessary, I could code it myself in PostScript by modifying the output from abc2ps. Of course, that isn't exactly portable abc code for exactly what I want. (b) displays with abcm2ps Don't know if it helps at all but adding %%barspersaff 6 produces this for me with abcm2ps: http://www.folkinfo.org/temp/hediex.pdf Jon To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] *portable* representation of a very simple 3-part piece?
On 13 Jan 2004, at 10:30, Jack Campin wrote: big snip If we're going to use ABC as an alternative to notations like Margo's original one on Usenet music forums, we need to do better than this. Can anybody come up with a version of the above piece which (a) displays and plays on BarFly (perhaps for now without doing the part order correctly, that can always be faked by a lot of copy and paste) (b) displays with abcm2ps (c) retains the source-readability of the above - this is essential as the notation would be posted to forums where most users have no previous experience of ABC and will object violently to gibberish in %% lines. Several problems here. Most important is the use of parts which don't actually fit together as notated. Also the continuation character \ is ambiguous when used in multi-voice. In BarFly it means continued on the next line. In abc2ps it means continued on the next line of the same type. It's such a small piece that it really would make sense to write it out in full: X:2 T: He Diex! quant verrai T: Adam de la Halle M:3/4 L:1/8 V:1 t=-12 V:2 t=-12 V:3 t=-12 K:F Lydian [V:1] c4 fg | a4(3gfe | d4 ef | gf ed B2 | c6|] [V:2] f4 f2 | ed e2 (3edc | B4 c2 | dc d2 e2 | f6|] [V:3] F4 F2 | A4A2| G4 A2 | G4G2 | F6|] % [V:1] c4 fg | a4(3gfe | d4 fg | a4(3gfe | d4 || [V:2] f4 f2 | ed e2 (3edc | B4 f2 | ed e2 (3edc | B4 || [V:3] F4 F2 | A4A2| G4 F2 | A4A2| G4 || % [V:1] |: fg | a4(3gfe | d4 ef | gf ed B2 |1 c4 :|2 c6 |] [V:2] |: f2 | ed e2 (3edc | B4 c2 | dc d2 e2 |1 f4 :|2 f6 |] [V:3] |: F2 | A4A2| G4 A2 | G4G2 |1 F4 :|2 F6 |] This works in BarFly and in abcm2ps, apart from the octavo markings, which BarFly gets from the t=-12. Not sure how to do that in abcm2ps. Phil Taylor To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
Re: [abcusers] *portable* representation of a very simple 3-part piece?
On Tue, Jan 13, 2004 at 10:30:21AM +, Jack Campin wrote: ...a request for a good portable way to represent rondeaux in abc... I struggled with stuffing rondeaux into the abc format for quite a while. The repeats are too odd to use modern |:, :| markings, and the repeated sections are too short (in some cases only 2 notes) to use the abc sections. The solution that I finally came up with was to repeat myself. As the first tune in the file I would write the song out as rondeaux as generally printed these days, with all of the music crammed together and underlying text prefixed with numbers so that you can follow the breadcrumbs all the way through. Then I would cut-and-paste that tune to create the second tune in the file, which would be the whole thing completely written out without repeats. (I also put together a makefile to automatically create the postscript from the first tune and the midi from the second.) The files that I ended up with for Hé Diex! Quant verrai are at http://www.blindchicken.com/~ali/music/adam/rondeaux/he-diex-2.abc and http://www.blindchicken.com/~ali/music/adam/rondeaux/he-diex-3.abc Ali Corbin To subscribe/unsubscribe, point your browser to: http://www.tullochgorm.com/lists.html
