Re: [libreoffice-accessibility] Latest Libo Won't Play Nice with my JRE

2012-10-07 Thread Jaap van de Putte 

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Op 8-10-2012 0:47, Kevin Cussick schreef:

Hello,

OK I uninstalled Lo, uninstalled the java7 TM update I think it was 
installed nvda I can't see anything that relates to access bridge, 
because the java7 just downloads it with window's anyway. rebooted the 
PC installed lo, installed the downloaded java.exe 32 bit it is 
version 7,rebooted the PC but before doing so checked that the java 
switch was checked it was, then reinstalled Nvda I used the portable 
version of nvda this dose not use anything that Java would be needing 
anyway. It's getting late so struggling to keep focused, anyway the 
result is that I did not get lo working oh nearly forgot after 
rebooting but before installing nvda again I downloaded the jwin 
program ran it and ran the have ferret.exe file as well, but as said 
nothing what now? thanks in advance but I am about to give up If I 
hear that anyone else has this latest stable version running with 
java7 and the access bridge then I am happy to take instruction on how 
to fix it, but if not I think I have reached the end of the road.


I have a feeling it is a problem with lo and u as well as has been 
said on the Nvda list. but I hope to be proved wrong thanks for all 
your help all who have tried to help.


On 07/10/2012 22:59, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
I think the point was to completely clear your system of all of it so
that you could get a fresh start.

I think a lot of the programs that combine to give accessibility are
inter-related and when it goes wrong it's because one bit is pointing at
some old version that has been removed or upgraded without all the other
bits noticing.  I think the idea is to have a poke around and try to
find if it's something obvious but if/when that fails, as it did in your
case, then it's better to just wipe the slate clean rather than to try
to trouble-shoot through tons of detail.

Note that i am fairly clueless about all this but it seems to have
worked for quite a few people on this list so far.
Regards from
Tom :)



--- On *Sun, 7/10/12, Kevin Cussick
//* wrote:


From: Kevin Cussick 
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-accessibility] Latest Libo Won't Play Nice
with my JRE
To: "V Stuart Foote" 
Cc: "Kevin Cussick" ,
accessibility@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Sunday, 7 October, 2012, 21:44

Hello,

Forgot to ask in another e-mail you say we should uninstall Nvda.
why? or if we uninstall the installer can we run the portable
version so we get some good access to get this software up and
running? with thanks as always.

On 06/10/2012 20:01, V Stuart Foote wrote:
> Kevin.
> That is an Oracle issue with really crappy URLs.  Your web
browser, or
> mail reader, simply inserted a line break at the hyphen! The fully
> functional URL is:
>

http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/downloads/jre7u7-downloads-1836441.html

> You are most welcome for the continued assistance.
> And, if you are able to contribute clearer and more intelligible
> instructions for visually impaired users, please do so--I'm not
sure I
> can make it any simpler to follow. Sorry.
> Stuart
>



> *From:* Kevin Cussick
[mailto:the.big.white.sheph...@googlemail.com
]
> *Sent:* Sat 10/6/2012 1:46 PM
> *To:* V Stuart Foote
> *Cc:* David Goldfield; accessibility@global.libreoffice.org

> *Subject:* Re: [libreoffice-accessibility] Latest Libo Won't Play
Nice
> with my JRE
>
> What a lot of hoops we are expected to jump threw just use your
> program really if the sited user had to do this open office
and lo
> would not be on the market more than 24 hours! and this link dose not
> work 404 page not found.
>

http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/downloads/jre7u7-downloads

>

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RE: [libreoffice-accessibility] Latest Libo Won't Play Nice with my JRE

2012-10-07 Thread V Stuart Foote 
Kevin,
 
Golly. I hate to keep harping on this.  And I know it must seem like we are 
asking you to jump through hoops.
 
But as Tom notes the effort is to clear it everything off and start clean from 
a known state. In your latest attempt you've ended up non-functional.
 
To have a correct outcome, the install order IS important. LibreOffice gets 
install LAST.
 
Remove in this order:  
 
  1.   LibreOffice 
   2.  NVDA 
   3.  Java Access Bridge 
   4.  Java Runtime Environment
 
Install in this order
 
1. Java Runtime Environment
2. Java Access Bridge
3. NVDA
4. LibreOffice
 
But note this:  with JRE 1.7u7, the Java Access Bridge v2.0.3 is installed 
automatically and just needs to be enabled with a "jabswitch.exe /enable" 
command.   Only for JRE 1.6 do you still need to use the JWin utility to 
install and configure Java Access Bridge v2.0.2.  
 
In other words you should no longer use the JWin program with JRE 1.7 greater 
than update 6. Rather, simply enable the built in Java Access Bridge and then 
install NVDA and finally LibreOffice.
 
Also, during LibreOffice 3.6 installation, on the last page of Installation 
Wizard configuration "Ready to Install the Program" there will be two check 
boxes 1) "Create a start link on desktop", and 2) "Support assistive technology 
tools"  Check that box and then select the Install button.
 
The assistive technology checkbox is off by default--and must be checked to 
enable assistive technology in LibreOffice without navigating the Tools -> 
Options -> Accessibility and Tools -> Options Java menus.  
 
Without the Accessibility "Support assistive technology tools" checked, NVDA 
will read the outside frame elements of LibreOffice-but will not be able to 
read or navigate text within the components.
 
Stuart




From: Kevin Cussick [mailto:the.big.white.sheph...@googlemail.com]
Sent: Sun 10/7/2012 5:47 PM
To: Tom Davies
Cc: V Stuart Foote; Kevin Cussick; accessibility@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-accessibility] Latest Libo Won't Play Nice with my JRE



Hello,

OK I uninstalled Lo, uninstalled the java7 TM update I think it was
installed nvda I can't see anything that relates to access bridge,
because the java7 just downloads it with window's anyway. rebooted the
PC installed lo, installed the downloaded java.exe 32 bit it is version
7,rebooted the PC but before doing so checked that the java switch was
checked it was, then reinstalled Nvda I used the portable version of
nvda this dose not use anything that Java would be needing anyway. It's
getting late so struggling to keep focused, anyway the result is that I
did not get lo working oh nearly forgot after rebooting but before
installing nvda again I downloaded the jwin program ran it and ran the
have ferret.exe file as well, but as said nothing what now? thanks in
advance but I am about to give up If I hear that anyone else has this
latest stable version running with java7 and the access bridge then I am
happy to take instruction on how to fix it, but if not I think I have
reached the end of the road.

I have a feeling it is a problem with lo and u as well as has been said
on the Nvda list. but I hope to be proved wrong thanks for all your help
all who have tried to help.




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[libreoffice-accessibility] bug 50926

2012-10-07 Thread Peter Rayner 
A few of us are having a problem with interaction between libreoffice
writer and orca. I filed a bug at
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=50926 
in early June but there's no action shown against it. Did I file this
wrongly (my first freedesktop bug report) or is there anything else I
can do to help progress this?
thanks in advance
Peter


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Re: [libreoffice-accessibility] Latest Libo Won't Play Nice with my JRE

2012-10-07 Thread Kevin Cussick 

Hello,

OK I uninstalled Lo, uninstalled the java7 TM update I think it was 
installed nvda I can't see anything that relates to access bridge, 
because the java7 just downloads it with window's anyway. rebooted the 
PC installed lo, installed the downloaded java.exe 32 bit it is version 
7,rebooted the PC but before doing so checked that the java switch was 
checked it was, then reinstalled Nvda I used the portable version of 
nvda this dose not use anything that Java would be needing anyway. It's 
getting late so struggling to keep focused, anyway the result is that I 
did not get lo working oh nearly forgot after rebooting but before 
installing nvda again I downloaded the jwin program ran it and ran the 
have ferret.exe file as well, but as said nothing what now? thanks in 
advance but I am about to give up If I hear that anyone else has this 
latest stable version running with java7 and the access bridge then I am 
happy to take instruction on how to fix it, but if not I think I have 
reached the end of the road.


I have a feeling it is a problem with lo and u as well as has been said 
on the Nvda list. but I hope to be proved wrong thanks for all your help 
all who have tried to help.


On 07/10/2012 22:59, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
I think the point was to completely clear your system of all of it so
that you could get a fresh start.

I think a lot of the programs that combine to give accessibility are
inter-related and when it goes wrong it's because one bit is pointing at
some old version that has been removed or upgraded without all the other
bits noticing.  I think the idea is to have a poke around and try to
find if it's something obvious but if/when that fails, as it did in your
case, then it's better to just wipe the slate clean rather than to try
to trouble-shoot through tons of detail.

Note that i am fairly clueless about all this but it seems to have
worked for quite a few people on this list so far.
Regards from
Tom :)



--- On *Sun, 7/10/12, Kevin Cussick
//* wrote:


From: Kevin Cussick 
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-accessibility] Latest Libo Won't Play Nice
with my JRE
To: "V Stuart Foote" 
Cc: "Kevin Cussick" ,
accessibility@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Sunday, 7 October, 2012, 21:44

Hello,

Forgot to ask in another e-mail you say we should uninstall Nvda.
why? or if we uninstall the installer can we run the portable
version so we get some good access to get this software up and
running? with thanks as always.

On 06/10/2012 20:01, V Stuart Foote wrote:
 > Kevin.
 > That is an Oracle issue with really crappy URLs.  Your web
browser, or
 > mail reader, simply inserted a line break at the hyphen! The fully
 > functional URL is:
 >

http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/downloads/jre7u7-downloads-1836441.html
 > You are most welcome for the continued assistance.
 > And, if you are able to contribute clearer and more intelligible
 > instructions for visually impaired users, please do so--I'm not
sure I
 > can make it any simpler to follow. Sorry.
 > Stuart
 >

 > *From:* Kevin Cussick
[mailto:the.big.white.sheph...@googlemail.com
]
 > *Sent:* Sat 10/6/2012 1:46 PM
 > *To:* V Stuart Foote
 > *Cc:* David Goldfield; accessibility@global.libreoffice.org

 > *Subject:* Re: [libreoffice-accessibility] Latest Libo Won't Play
Nice
 > with my JRE
 >
 > What a lot of hoops we are expected to jump threw just use your
 > program really if the sited user had to do this open office
and lo
 > would not be on the market more than 24 hours! and this link dose not
 > work 404 page not found.
 >
http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/downloads/jre7u7-downloads
 >

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Re: [libreoffice-accessibility] Latest Libo Won't Play Nice with my JRE

2012-10-07 Thread Tom Davies 
Hi :)
I think the point was to completely clear your system of all of it so that you 
could get a fresh start.  

I think a lot of the programs that combine to give accessibility are 
inter-related and when it goes wrong it's because one bit is pointing at some 
old version that has been removed or upgraded without all the other bits 
noticing.  I think the idea is to have a poke around and try to find if it's 
something obvious but if/when that fails, as it did in your case, then it's 
better to just wipe the slate clean rather than to try to trouble-shoot through 
tons of detail.  

Note that i am fairly clueless about all  this but it seems to have worked for 
quite a few people on this list so far.  
Regards from
Tom :)  



--- On Sun, 7/10/12, Kevin Cussick  
wrote:

From: Kevin Cussick 
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-accessibility] Latest Libo Won't Play Nice with my JRE
To: "V Stuart Foote" 
Cc: "Kevin Cussick" , 
accessibility@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Sunday, 7 October, 2012, 21:44

Hello,

Forgot to ask in another e-mail you say we should uninstall Nvda. why? or if we 
uninstall the installer can we run the portable version so we get some good 
access to get this software up and running? with thanks as always.

On 06/10/2012 20:01, V Stuart Foote wrote:
> Kevin.
> That is an Oracle issue with really crappy URLs.  Your web browser, or
> mail reader, simply inserted a line break at the hyphen! The fully
> functional URL is:
> http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/downloads/jre7u7-downloads-1836441.html
> You are most welcome for the continued assistance.
> And, if you are able to contribute clearer and more intelligible
> instructions for visually impaired users, please do so--I'm not sure I
> can make it any simpler to follow. Sorry.
> Stuart
> 
> *From:* Kevin Cussick [mailto:the.big.white.sheph...@googlemail.com]
> *Sent:* Sat 10/6/2012 1:46 PM
> *To:* V Stuart Foote
> *Cc:* David Goldfield; accessibility@global.libreoffice.org
> *Subject:* Re: [libreoffice-accessibility] Latest Libo Won't Play Nice
> with my JRE
> 
> What a lot of hoops we are expected to jump threw just use your
> program really if the sited user had to do this open office and lo
> would not be on the market more than 24 hours! and this link dose not
> work 404 page not found.
> http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/downloads/jre7u7-downloads
> 

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RE: [libreoffice-accessibility] Latest Libo Won't Play Nice with my JRE

2012-10-07 Thread V Stuart Foote 
Kevin,
 
Rational for uninstalling NVDA is that it has dependencies on the JRE and Java 
Access Bridge installed as their included APIs need to be present and 
configured. 
 
At the least NVDA will need to be reconfigured for stable use with the new JRE 
installation and Java Access Bridge which would happen with a clean 
installation.
 
I believe that while Python based NVDA has the hooks for the various 
accessibility API's MSAA, IAccessible2, JAB and UI Automation, but it still 
needs the current API libraries available from the package installers.
 
Perhaps someone from the NVDA project will pipe in with more precise 
explanation of dependencies if I am mistaken.
 
The portable version may work, I've not tried.
 
Stuart
 




From: Kevin Cussick [mailto:the.big.white.sheph...@googlemail.com]
Sent: Sun 10/7/2012 3:44 PM
To: V Stuart Foote
Cc: Kevin Cussick; accessibility@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-accessibility] Latest Libo Won't Play Nice with my JRE



Hello,

Forgot to ask in another e-mail you say we should uninstall Nvda. why?
or if we uninstall the installer can we run the portable version so we
get some good access to get this software up and running? with thanks as
always.

On 06/10/2012 20:01, V Stuart Foote wrote:
> Kevin.
> That is an Oracle issue with really crappy URLs.  Your web browser, or
> mail reader, simply inserted a line break at the hyphen! The fully
> functional URL is:
> http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/downloads/jre7u7-downloads-1836441.html
> You are most welcome for the continued assistance.
> And, if you are able to contribute clearer and more intelligible
> instructions for visually impaired users, please do so--I'm not sure I
> can make it any simpler to follow. Sorry.
> Stuart
> 
> *From:* Kevin Cussick [mailto:the.big.white.sheph...@googlemail.com]
> *Sent:* Sat 10/6/2012 1:46 PM
> *To:* V Stuart Foote
> *Cc:* David Goldfield; accessibility@global.libreoffice.org
> *Subject:* Re: [libreoffice-accessibility] Latest Libo Won't Play Nice
> with my JRE
>
> What a lot of hoops we are expected to jump threw just use your
> program really if the sited user had to do this open office and lo
> would not be on the market more than 24 hours! and this link dose not
> work 404 page not found.
> http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/downloads/jre7u7-downloads
>




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Re: [libreoffice-accessibility] Latest Libo Won't Play Nice with my JRE

2012-10-07 Thread Kevin Cussick 

Hello,

Forgot to ask in another e-mail you say we should uninstall Nvda. why? 
or if we uninstall the installer can we run the portable version so we 
get some good access to get this software up and running? with thanks as 
always.


On 06/10/2012 20:01, V Stuart Foote wrote:

Kevin.
That is an Oracle issue with really crappy URLs.  Your web browser, or
mail reader, simply inserted a line break at the hyphen! The fully
functional URL is:
http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/downloads/jre7u7-downloads-1836441.html
You are most welcome for the continued assistance.
And, if you are able to contribute clearer and more intelligible
instructions for visually impaired users, please do so--I'm not sure I
can make it any simpler to follow. Sorry.
Stuart

*From:* Kevin Cussick [mailto:the.big.white.sheph...@googlemail.com]
*Sent:* Sat 10/6/2012 1:46 PM
*To:* V Stuart Foote
*Cc:* David Goldfield; accessibility@global.libreoffice.org
*Subject:* Re: [libreoffice-accessibility] Latest Libo Won't Play Nice
with my JRE

What a lot of hoops we are expected to jump threw just use your
program really if the sited user had to do this open office and lo
would not be on the market more than 24 hours! and this link dose not
work 404 page not found.
http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/downloads/jre7u7-downloads



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Re: [libreoffice-accessibility] Latest Libo Won't Play Nice with my JRE

2012-10-07 Thread Kevin Cussick 

Hello,

Thanks for the link I will try but I still say it's really a piece of 
crap that we are as users still have to jump threw so many hoops just to 
have the privilege of using the software but I am grateful that you 
tried to help don't get me wrong. thanks again.


On 06/10/2012 20:01, V Stuart Foote wrote:

Kevin.
That is an Oracle issue with really crappy URLs.  Your web browser, or
mail reader, simply inserted a line break at the hyphen! The fully
functional URL is:
http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/downloads/jre7u7-downloads-1836441.html
You are most welcome for the continued assistance.
And, if you are able to contribute clearer and more intelligible
instructions for visually impaired users, please do so--I'm not sure I
can make it any simpler to follow. Sorry.
Stuart

*From:* Kevin Cussick [mailto:the.big.white.sheph...@googlemail.com]
*Sent:* Sat 10/6/2012 1:46 PM
*To:* V Stuart Foote
*Cc:* David Goldfield; accessibility@global.libreoffice.org
*Subject:* Re: [libreoffice-accessibility] Latest Libo Won't Play Nice
with my JRE

What a lot of hoops we are expected to jump threw just use your
program really if the sited user had to do this open office and lo
would not be on the market more than 24 hours! and this link dose not
work 404 page not found.
http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/downloads/jre7u7-downloads



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[libreoffice-accessibility] LibreOffice Conference - registration deadline ends tomorrow

2012-10-07 Thread Florian Effenberger 

Hello everyone,

just about one more week, and this years' LibreOffice Conference takes 
place in Berlin. I would like to remind you that the *deadline* for the 
registration ends tomorrow,


Monday, October 8th, 2012, at 21:59 UTC

If you want to attend the conference, and didn't register so far, we 
urge you to do so within the deadline at


http://conference.libreoffice.org/registration

The LibreOffice Conference 2012 takes places in a public building of 
German ministries, and without proper registration, you can *not* enter 
the event. So, in your own interest, please ensure you meet the deadline.


In case you do not want to attend the conference yet, I'd like to 
advertise a bit more. :) Our program committee has invested lots of time 
to make this conference an unforgettable, noteworthy event, and we are 
proud to have a program with a vivid mixture of development, community, 
marketing, infrastructure and many other working areas of the 
LibreOffice project:


http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LiboCon2012.pdf

Last but not least, this is your chance to meet the faces behind the 
LibreOffice community: developers, marketeers, admins, localizers, 
documentation writers, designers and many, many more. We'll all have a 
great time in Berlin, and want you to be a part of it!


Taking place at the conference center of the Federal Ministry of 
Economics and Technology (BMWi), and sponsored by leading players 
Canonical, Google and SerNet, it is not only the annual gathering of the 
worldwide community, but also meeting point for governmental and 
corporate adopters and innovators.


Looking forward to meeting you in Berlin!
Florian

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