Re: [libreoffice-accessibility] Inserting comments with a screen reader.

2024-02-11 Thread V Stuart Foote

On 2024-02-11 09:44, Jason J.G. White wrote:

On 11/2/24 09:22, V Stuart Foote wrote:
The  + 4 to land directly on the Navigator deck followed by  
and Cursor down movements down to the Comments nodes does expose the 
content of each of the comments.


Additionally when focused on a comment in Windows the  +  
will expose the context menu for the comment allowing editing and a go 
to action.


Thank you for the update. The next time I receive an office-file-format 
document containing comments, I'll try the above-mentioned features. 
I'm using Linux with Orca.


Naturally, I would welcome improvements in this area. I shouldn't have 
to turn to Microsoft Windows and Microsoft Office just to read and 
respond to comments in a document.


Can't test currently, but the Windows + for Context menu 
(i.e.  keycode 135 keysym MENU : 0xFF67) according to a quick Google 
search, in addition to +, might be provided via + 
in some Linux DE, and by + on macOS -- you have to figure 
out the mapping for the MENU if not +. The xev utility 
should expose which on Linux.


Otherwise Navigation down to the Comment object listing in the Sidebar 
Navigator deck should work the same cross platform. And once there, 
focus onto each to sound. Or open its context menu to manipulate.  Would 
be nice to be able to get there directly via shortcut -- perhaps 
overloading the ++ to direct into the SB 
Navigator deck.


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Re: [libreoffice-accessibility] Inserting comments with a screen reader.

2024-02-11 Thread Jason J.G. White


On 11/2/24 09:22, V Stuart Foote wrote:
The  + 4 to land directly on the Navigator deck followed by  
and Cursor down movements down to the Comments nodes does expose the 
content of each of the comments.


Additionally when focused on a comment in Windows the  +  
will expose the context menu for the comment allowing editing and a go 
to action.


Thank you for the update. The next time I receive an office-file-format 
document containing comments, I'll try the above-mentioned features. I'm 
using Linux with Orca.


Naturally, I would welcome improvements in this area. I shouldn't have 
to turn to Microsoft Windows and Microsoft Office just to read and 
respond to comments in a document.



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Re: [libreoffice-accessibility] Inserting comments with a screen reader.

2024-02-11 Thread V Stuart Foote

On 2024-02-11 00:57, Stéphane Guillou wrote:


Thanks for the response, Stuart.

Another useful shortcut is Ctrl + Alt + Pg Up or Down to jump from one 
comment to another.


I'll add two relevant tickets regarding the currently limited 
accessibility of Writer comments:


 * Allow editing comments using the keyboard:
   https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=102054
 * Comment text not interacted with by screen readers:
   https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=92389

Cheers



Yes, it is more of a mess than I'd remembered. With Win10 and NVDA 
2023.3.2 and LO 24.2.03 unfortunately the ++ or 
 will land on the Comment but then does not sound them, suspect 
missing/mistyped accessible event on focus. They're only available via 
convoluted keyboard navigation into the Navigator Comments listing.


I don't have an ORCA set up at the moment, but suspect similar there 
(only via context menu from the Navigator deck).


Status as Christophe S. summarized in comment 11 of tdf#92389 [1] and as 
noted in the NVDA issues [2] [3].


Since then, the work on the Navigator deck has moved things along a 
little bit.


The  + 4 to land directly on the Navigator deck followed by  
and Cursor down movements down to the Comments nodes does expose the 
content of each of the comments.


Additionally when focused on a comment in Windows the  +  
will expose the context menu for the comment allowing editing and a go 
to action.


But, much room to improve.

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[1] https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=92389
[2] https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/7700
[3] https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/11684


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