Re: [AI] Disappointment judgement of Delhi HC

[Ved Prakash Sharma]

Could anybody send me the judgement?

On 6/22/23, Ved Prakash Sharma  wrote:
> I think, institutions are not demanding UDID card only system to avail
> concession tickets. However, those who have got the UDID card, should
> be given the facility to use the same and also to use the same to book
> online tickets.
> Those who do not have UDID card, will keep on using the old system
> thhere should be no problem in it. Presently also, there are two
> different documents to avail tickets: one, railway concession forms
> duely completed, and two, Online booking rail cards which are being in
> online as well as ofline mode.
>
> On 6/20/23, pavan kallem  wrote:
>> I concur with Shri Bhawani Shankar Verma, who has rightly pointed out
>> that many people in our community, including myself, do not have a
>> UDID card yet. I applied for it a long time ago, but I have not
>> received it yet. This is because disability is a state subject under
>> the Indian Constitution, and the designated department is responsible
>> for issuing the cards in their prescribed format.
>>
>> I sincerely request all NGOs who are considering approaching the
>> Supreme Court to first make an effort to get us UDID cards. We are
>> ready to provide our credentials if necessary.
>>
>> Thank you for your time and consideration.
>>
>> On 6/20/23, BHAWANI SHANKAR VERMA  wrote:
>>> On the subject line, before going to the hon’ble supreme court, the
>>> following points are to be considered:
>>>
>>> It is a discretionary power of the department who is providing
>>> concession to design a prescribed form to avail the benefit and upto
>>> what level they shall provide it. Example is: all the state and central
>>> govt are providing free or subsidized ration to BPL families, each and
>>> every state government have its own ration card. As the ruling party
>>> take over after election, they often replace the ration cards and all
>>> the beneficiaries have to mandatorily obtained the new card from local
>>> body.
>>>
>>>  1. Suppose, we willwin the battle, and railway shall make UDID a
>>> mandatorydocument to avail concession, it will become very difficult
>>> to avail it because many disabled persons are even unable to get
>>> aadhar and aadhar is the only document to get UDID and e-disability
>>> certificate.
>>>
>>> My suggestion is that NGOs should organize camps to reach maximum
>>> disabled population to get UDID card and e-disability certificate for
>>> disabled persons.
>>>
>>> On 6/19/2023 9:01 AM, Ved Prakash Sharma wrote:
>>>> Please provide H C Judgement if any list member has it. Some of my
>>>> friends wish to challenge the same in S C.
>>>> Thanks.
>>>>
>>>> On 6/18/23, Ajay Minocha  wrote:
>>>>> Completely agree with Harish Ji.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 18/06/2023, harish kotian  wrote:
>>>>>> Hi
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Kanchan, had hinted something important, however, as I see her hint
>>>>>> was
>>>>>> missed entirely. I do understand, why it was not possible for her to
>>>>>> spill the beans. It is important and that is the reason what I think
>>>>>> she
>>>>>> had hinted.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A few disclaimers: Firstly, I have not discussed about this with her.
>>>>>> Secondly I do wear 2 hats, one as a moderator and the other in my
>>>>>> individual capacity. In this instance I think it is essential to be
>>>>>> doubly sure that this mail is entirely in my personal capacity.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What comes foremost in my mind is when Sant GuruNanak demoed that
>>>>>> truth
>>>>>> also is not absolute, it also has a context and that too has to be
>>>>>> presented correctly.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I need to admit upfront that I am presumptuous as I have neither gone
>>>>>> through the judgement nor have I read the petition.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I do recall that NPRD had issued a press note which was shared on the
>>>>>> list for withdrawal of circular for UDID as a primary document to
>>>>>> avail
>>>>>> services and facilities for the disabled. I suppose, here too the
>>>>>> petition would have been to withdraw the circu

Re: [AI] Disappointment judgement of Delhi HC

[Ved Prakash Sharma]

I think, institutions are not demanding UDID card only system to avail
concession tickets. However, those who have got the UDID card, should
be given the facility to use the same and also to use the same to book
online tickets.
Those who do not have UDID card, will keep on using the old system
thhere should be no problem in it. Presently also, there are two
different documents to avail tickets: one, railway concession forms
duely completed, and two, Online booking rail cards which are being in
online as well as ofline mode.

On 6/20/23, pavan kallem  wrote:
> I concur with Shri Bhawani Shankar Verma, who has rightly pointed out
> that many people in our community, including myself, do not have a
> UDID card yet. I applied for it a long time ago, but I have not
> received it yet. This is because disability is a state subject under
> the Indian Constitution, and the designated department is responsible
> for issuing the cards in their prescribed format.
>
> I sincerely request all NGOs who are considering approaching the
> Supreme Court to first make an effort to get us UDID cards. We are
> ready to provide our credentials if necessary.
>
> Thank you for your time and consideration.
>
> On 6/20/23, BHAWANI SHANKAR VERMA  wrote:
>> On the subject line, before going to the hon’ble supreme court, the
>> following points are to be considered:
>>
>> It is a discretionary power of the department who is providing
>> concession to design a prescribed form to avail the benefit and upto
>> what level they shall provide it. Example is: all the state and central
>> govt are providing free or subsidized ration to BPL families, each and
>> every state government have its own ration card. As the ruling party
>> take over after election, they often replace the ration cards and all
>> the beneficiaries have to mandatorily obtained the new card from local
>> body.
>>
>>  1. Suppose, we willwin the battle, and railway shall make UDID a
>> mandatorydocument to avail concession, it will become very difficult
>> to avail it because many disabled persons are even unable to get
>> aadhar and aadhar is the only document to get UDID and e-disability
>> certificate.
>>
>> My suggestion is that NGOs should organize camps to reach maximum
>> disabled population to get UDID card and e-disability certificate for
>> disabled persons.
>>
>> On 6/19/2023 9:01 AM, Ved Prakash Sharma wrote:
>>> Please provide H C Judgement if any list member has it. Some of my
>>> friends wish to challenge the same in S C.
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> On 6/18/23, Ajay Minocha  wrote:
>>>> Completely agree with Harish Ji.
>>>>
>>>> On 18/06/2023, harish kotian  wrote:
>>>>> Hi
>>>>>
>>>>> Kanchan, had hinted something important, however, as I see her hint
>>>>> was
>>>>> missed entirely. I do understand, why it was not possible for her to
>>>>> spill the beans. It is important and that is the reason what I think
>>>>> she
>>>>> had hinted.
>>>>>
>>>>> A few disclaimers: Firstly, I have not discussed about this with her.
>>>>> Secondly I do wear 2 hats, one as a moderator and the other in my
>>>>> individual capacity. In this instance I think it is essential to be
>>>>> doubly sure that this mail is entirely in my personal capacity.
>>>>>
>>>>> What comes foremost in my mind is when Sant GuruNanak demoed that
>>>>> truth
>>>>> also is not absolute, it also has a context and that too has to be
>>>>> presented correctly.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I need to admit upfront that I am presumptuous as I have neither gone
>>>>> through the judgement nor have I read the petition.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I do recall that NPRD had issued a press note which was shared on the
>>>>> list for withdrawal of circular for UDID as a primary document to
>>>>> avail
>>>>> services and facilities for the disabled. I suppose, here too the
>>>>> petition would have been to withdraw the circular which has a
>>>>> requirement to possess the disability card issued by them. The court
>>>>> may
>>>>> have upheld the defense arguement that the ministry has the power to
>>>>> issue such circular. If this is carried as it is to the supreme court
>>>>> the verdict may not be different. In my limited opinion, the focus of
>>>>>

Re: [AI] Disappointment judgement of Delhi HC

[Ved Prakash Sharma]

On 6/19/23, Ved Prakash Sharma  wrote:
> Please provide H C Judgement if any list member has it. Some of my
> friends wish to challenge the same in S C.
> Thanks.
>
> On 6/18/23, Ajay Minocha  wrote:
>> Completely agree with Harish Ji.
>>
>> On 18/06/2023, harish kotian  wrote:
>>> Hi
>>>
>>> Kanchan, had hinted something important, however, as I see her hint was
>>> missed entirely. I do understand, why it was not possible for her to
>>> spill the beans. It is important and that is the reason what I think she
>>> had hinted.
>>>
>>> A few disclaimers: Firstly, I have not discussed about this with her.
>>> Secondly I do wear 2 hats, one as a moderator and the other in my
>>> individual capacity. In this instance I think it is essential to be
>>> doubly sure that this mail is entirely in my personal capacity.
>>>
>>> What comes foremost in my mind is when Sant GuruNanak demoed that truth
>>> also is not absolute, it also has a context and that too has to be
>>> presented correctly.
>>>
>>>
>>> I need to admit upfront that I am presumptuous as I have neither gone
>>> through the judgement nor have I read the petition.
>>>
>>>
>>> I do recall that NPRD had issued a press note which was shared on the
>>> list for withdrawal of circular for UDID as a primary document to avail
>>> services and facilities for the disabled. I suppose, here too the
>>> petition would have been to withdraw the circular which has a
>>> requirement to possess the disability card issued by them. The court may
>>> have upheld the defense arguement that the ministry has the power to
>>> issue such circular. If this is carried as it is to the supreme court
>>> the verdict may not be different. In my limited opinion, the focus of
>>> the petition should have been to make the UDID as one of the acceptable
>>> document for availing the railway concession and not withdrawal of their
>>> circular.
>>>
>>>   The judges will generally go by what is presented to them.So it would
>>> not be appropriate to say disappointing verdict rather the
>>> disappointment should be directed to the possible weak petition or poor
>>> presentation.
>>>
>>> I suppose, what Kanchan did not say in so many words was that one should
>>> be extra cautious while approaching the court for the damage that it can
>>> do as in this instance is far more greater than taking the traditional
>>> approach.
>>>
>>>
>>> I hope appropriate lessons are learnt and it is understood that this
>>> comment is not entirely specific to this case.
>>>
>>> Harish.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 6/16/2023 9:00 PM, Muralidharan Vishwanath wrote:
>>>> Also, we would be glad and appreciate, if anybody else could prevail
>>>> upon the railway ministry to accept the validity of the UDID, by
>>>> whatever means at their command
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jun 16, 2023 at 8:53 PM 'Manoj Pai' via AccessIndia
>>>>  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Ministers come and go. Thats what Railways officers tell us. Since
>>>> the 1995 Act I had petitioned and met several Railway Ministers on
>>>> matters related to PwD. The papers were sent to officers of Rail
>>>> Bhavan for action. Nothing happened just a one liner reply and
>>>> case closed. These same officer only understood Court language.
>>>>
>>>> You are on the right track Murali ji.
>>>>
>>>> Manoj
>>>>
>>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>>>>
>>>> <https://mail.onelink.me/107872968?pid=nativeplacement=Global_Acquisition_YMktg_315_Internal_EmailSignature_sub1=Acquisition_sub2=Global_YMktg_sub3=_sub4=10604_sub5=EmailSignature__Static_>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jun 16, 2023 at 20:31, 'Manoj Pai' via AccessIndia
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> So what's stopping you from starting negotiations with the
>>>> Railways, Kanchan? The same Railways which call themselves
>>>> "Lifeline of Nation" but care a damn for divyangs? Steep
>>>> ramps, non workings wheel chairs @ railway stations, every
>>>> Railways staff park their vehicles on space reserved for PwD,
>>>> locked PwD toilets etc.
>>>>
>>>> We will all join you when you start ne

Re: [AI] Disappointment judgement of Delhi HC

[Ved Prakash Sharma]

Please provide H C Judgement if any list member has it. Some of my
friends wish to challenge the same in S C.
Thanks.

On 6/18/23, Ajay Minocha  wrote:
> Completely agree with Harish Ji.
>
> On 18/06/2023, harish kotian  wrote:
>> Hi
>>
>> Kanchan, had hinted something important, however, as I see her hint was
>> missed entirely. I do understand, why it was not possible for her to
>> spill the beans. It is important and that is the reason what I think she
>> had hinted.
>>
>> A few disclaimers: Firstly, I have not discussed about this with her.
>> Secondly I do wear 2 hats, one as a moderator and the other in my
>> individual capacity. In this instance I think it is essential to be
>> doubly sure that this mail is entirely in my personal capacity.
>>
>> What comes foremost in my mind is when Sant GuruNanak demoed that truth
>> also is not absolute, it also has a context and that too has to be
>> presented correctly.
>>
>>
>> I need to admit upfront that I am presumptuous as I have neither gone
>> through the judgement nor have I read the petition.
>>
>>
>> I do recall that NPRD had issued a press note which was shared on the
>> list for withdrawal of circular for UDID as a primary document to avail
>> services and facilities for the disabled. I suppose, here too the
>> petition would have been to withdraw the circular which has a
>> requirement to possess the disability card issued by them. The court may
>> have upheld the defense arguement that the ministry has the power to
>> issue such circular. If this is carried as it is to the supreme court
>> the verdict may not be different. In my limited opinion, the focus of
>> the petition should have been to make the UDID as one of the acceptable
>> document for availing the railway concession and not withdrawal of their
>> circular.
>>
>>   The judges will generally go by what is presented to them.So it would
>> not be appropriate to say disappointing verdict rather the
>> disappointment should be directed to the possible weak petition or poor
>> presentation.
>>
>> I suppose, what Kanchan did not say in so many words was that one should
>> be extra cautious while approaching the court for the damage that it can
>> do as in this instance is far more greater than taking the traditional
>> approach.
>>
>>
>> I hope appropriate lessons are learnt and it is understood that this
>> comment is not entirely specific to this case.
>>
>> Harish.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 6/16/2023 9:00 PM, Muralidharan Vishwanath wrote:
>>> Also, we would be glad and appreciate, if anybody else could prevail
>>> upon the railway ministry to accept the validity of the UDID, by
>>> whatever means at their command
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jun 16, 2023 at 8:53 PM 'Manoj Pai' via AccessIndia
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> Ministers come and go. Thats what Railways officers tell us. Since
>>> the 1995 Act I had petitioned and met several Railway Ministers on
>>> matters related to PwD. The papers were sent to officers of Rail
>>> Bhavan for action. Nothing happened just a one liner reply and
>>> case closed. These same officer only understood Court language.
>>>
>>> You are on the right track Murali ji.
>>>
>>> Manoj
>>>
>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jun 16, 2023 at 20:31, 'Manoj Pai' via AccessIndia
>>>  wrote:
>>> So what's stopping you from starting negotiations with the
>>> Railways, Kanchan? The same Railways which call themselves
>>> "Lifeline of Nation" but care a damn for divyangs? Steep
>>> ramps, non workings wheel chairs @ railway stations, every
>>> Railways staff park their vehicles on space reserved for PwD,
>>> locked PwD toilets etc.
>>>
>>> We will all join you when you start negotiating.
>>>
>>> Manoj
>>>
>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jun 16, 2023 at 19:34, Kanchan Pamnani
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> I have been reading everyones comments  about their
>>> disappointment etc. I echo the same. However this was not
>>> a matter to be taken to court. You have to be
>>> prudent-something gets sorted by negotiations, discussions
>>> and requests while other issues need to be addressed by
>>> the Courts. The Court should be the last resort and not
>>> the first. I am sure this will get resolved and it must. I
>>> have great respect for everyone who tries to resolve an
>>> issue whichever way they know best.
>>>
>>> Lets 

[AI] Problem with motorola G82 handset

[Ved Prakash Sharma]

I am facing a peaculiar issue in my Motorola G82 handset with Android 12.
Firstly, talkback keeps on either telling time or volume level every
now and then. Secondly, it announces these things in the highest
volume no matter what is my accessibility volume level.
Thirdly, If I am playing some media, talkback volume gets very low
even if I have checked the option which says audio ducking. Fourthly,
When I receive a call, talkback volume gets near zero and I cannot get
the options if a waiting call is coming. Fifthly, autospeaker is not
working in my handset.
Please give some solutions.
Please also tell customer care number of motorola so that I may
contact them. The numbers that I got through google search, says, this
number does not exist.
Thanks in advance.

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Re: [AI] Problem accessing gmail through outlook

[Ved Prakash Sharma]

Thanks for the response. I am using office 2006. Please let me know
how to fix the issue. If required, feel free to contact me on mobile:
9013000251.

On 6/8/22, Minar Singh  wrote:
> Hello,
> Which version outlook do you have? if you have outlook 2019 use
> microsoft authenticator app in your mobile for  generating OTP for
> outlook 2016 process is different. let me know if you wish to know
> info on that.
>
> On 6/8/22, Ved Prakash Sharma  wrote:
>> Dear list, from today, I am not able to access any gmail accounts from
>> outlook. Till yesterday, it was all right but from today onwards, this
>> problem is happening. I have tried removing accounts and then adding
>> again but no respite. Please suggest solutions.
>>
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[AI] Problem accessing gmail through outlook

[Ved Prakash Sharma]

Dear list, from today, I am not able to access any gmail accounts from
outlook. Till yesterday, it was all right but from today onwards, this
problem is happening. I have tried removing accounts and then adding
again but no respite. Please suggest solutions.

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