Re: [AI] National Association for the Blind (Delhi) invites applications for the post of Computer Trainer
Hi all, Any rough idea what salary is offered for these jobs? Relocating to Delhi from Vrindavana means also renting a home Etc. I’m trying to ascertain if it is economical. Thanks. From: NAB Delhi Helpline Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2023 10:30 AM To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the disabled. ; nabhelpline ; mryogeshtaneja Subject: [AI] National Association for the Blind (Delhi) invites applications for the post of Computer Trainer NAB Delhi is a leading NGO working for empowerment of persons with visual impairments and multiple disabilities through education and training. NAB Delhi is well known for its numerous ICT interventions for the visually impaired including Computer Training and Digital Library. ELIGIBILITY • Minimum Class XII, graduates will be preferred. • Diploma/Certificate course on computer training for the visually impaired • Should be residing in Delhi or willing to relocate • Experience of working in organizations similar to NAB Delhi will be an added advantage Preference will be given to persons with visual impairment, interested candidates can send their resume by email to helpl...@nabdelhi.in latest by 25-08-2023. Shortlisted candidates will require to appear for an offline interview. -- With regards, Helpline for the Blind National Association for the Blind Sector 5, R.K. Puram, New Delhi 110022 India W: www.nabdelhi.in E: helpl...@nabdelhi.in M: +91 8826261166 , +91 9212319671 80G | FCRA | CSR Preferred Partner | USA 501(c) (3) tax exemption Disclaimer: This email and any attachments transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the email from your system. Any unauthorized use, disclosure, or distribution of this email is strictly prohibited. NAB Delhi makes every effort to keep its email communications free from viruses. However, we cannot guarantee that this email or any attachments are free of viruses or other malicious code. It is the recipient's responsibility to ensure appropriate measures are taken to scan for viruses. -- Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list.. Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "AccessIndia" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to accessindia+unsubscr...@accessindia.org.in. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/a/accessindia.org.in/d/msgid/accessindia/CADonsatj3UpymFZBhcgQHX_tcQ5AHnsRizKy8_j6WjN0XvK%3Daw%40mail.gmail.com. -- Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list.. Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "AccessIndia" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to accessindia+unsubscr...@accessindia.org.in. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/a/accessindia.org.in/d/msgid/accessindia/B3874755C19649AEB946969935E0F090%40GauraRecordsPC.
Re: [AI] FW: Link to Podcast Episode "A Different Way of Seeing"
Hi George, I just listened to the podcast featuring you with Lois from South Africa. Very nicely structured and your story is very compelling and inspiring. People looking for encouragement and upliftment will do well just listening to your story. I certainly did at perhaps a low point in my life. It made me want to rise up and keep moving ahead again now as I find myself in a new country, not knowing the local language, estimating it may take me a lifetime to learn Etc. That discussion with you gave me a feeling of hope and a will for perseverance to accomplish. I’m still onto everything we discussed and will put together content to send to you as we discussed telephonically the other day. From: george.abrah...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2023 8:42 PM To: 'Saravanan K' via AccessIndia Subject: [AI] FW: Link to Podcast Episode "A Different Way of Seeing" Hi, Sharing the link to an episode of the podcast “A Different Way of Seeing” featuring me. This podcast is from South Africa. Best, Good evening, George: I hope this e-mail finds you well. Below is the link to the episode of the A Different Way of Seeing podcast with our interview. It was published today. https://iono.fm/e/1344345 I would be grateful if you could share the episode link with your network and on social media to build visibility and listenership. With my thanks, Lois -- Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list.. Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "AccessIndia" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to accessindia+unsubscr...@accessindia.org.in. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/a/accessindia.org.in/d/msgid/accessindia/003401d9cf8a%24f92a8490%24eb7f8db0%24%40gmail.com. -- Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list.. Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "AccessIndia" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to accessindia+unsubscr...@accessindia.org.in. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/a/accessindia.org.in/d/msgid/accessindia/CADB4D92EBCF4C97B95FDC9755EE17B6%40GauraRecordsPC.
Re: [AI] Are publishers in India obligated to provide soft copies to the blind on request?
If such a law can be mandated would be excellent, but I suspect for that to happen will require the right legal professionals in very high places, very committed to the case. Getting the right thing done usually requires hard struggle. Such is the world we live in generally. Think of anything: banning GMO food companies that harm our health, stopping big pharma from manufacturing symptomatic relief dependency drugs over treating root causes of disease, legislating that building construction meets minimum standards or else face hefty fines, ensuring law enforcement is in line with legislation, and the list goes on. Usually we must fight to pressure the Government to protect us, what to speak of rights for the blind. I often wonder why this is? Is it that our leaders don’t care for the people but care only for money and profits at our expense? Sorry, there I go analysing our world again. It is enough to know that The root cause is a lack of God consciousness that leaves us unprotected and allows materialistic leadership to rule. Yamuna Jivana dasa From: anirudh rao Sent: Monday, August 14, 2023 11:01 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Are publishers in India obligated to provide soft copies to the blind on request? yes completely agree on the point that such a law should be mandated. OCR apps are not accurate and accuracy is inevitable when someone is reading a book for academic purposes. I too had the same question in my mind lingering since few days now and was clarified by some of the insites provided here. one more problem is that most publishers are unaware of disability in general and are just rude. On Mon, Aug 14, 2023 at 8:51 PM drbsmkumar wrote: Hi All, Why should we buy a hardcopy book scan it and do an OCR? Are we not eligible to buy an accessible E book? There are so many leading international private publishers who are supplying digital E books with complete long description for that images. Hence, I feel we should work towards making a law which makes it mandatory for all the publishing houses to provide an accessible Digital books for people with vision in pairments. Regards, Prof. B. S. M. Kumar, MSc., MTech., PhD, Cell: +91 9840139849 Sent from my iPhone On 14-Aug-2023, at 20:42, Aman Preet Singh wrote: Hi! I suggest you that, you may access the book with the help of technology for visually impaired. You may purchase It’s hard copy, scan its Pages with your mobile/scanner and create its PDF file, then you may read that file with any OCR app like kibo, envision AI, etc. Thanks. Sent from my iPhone On 14-Aug-2023, at 6:43 PM, Avichal Bhatnagar wrote: Hello Prashant Sir, Thanks for making things clear. However, the catch in this entire case is that there's no soft copy available anywhere, thus making it impossible for the print disabled to read. So, I wonder if a case against the publisher can be filed in the court of CCPD on the grounds of discrimination against the disabled? On 8/14/23, prashant...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Avichal, It is not necessary for the private publisher to provide an accessible copy as of now. The law permits you or any other institution to convert it to an accessible format without taking permission of the publisher/copy right holder. However, if that book is being provided by any educational institution to you, you can put the onus on the institution to convert it for you. Publishers don’t want to share soft copy fearing piracy although there are other ways to pirate the book if anyone really wants to do so. This is how the copyright law has worked so far. I wonder if the recent changes to the RPD Act rules can be made applicable on this particularly when only print book has been released. Thanks, Prashant -Original Message- From: accessindia@accessindia.org.in On Behalf Of Avichal Bhatnagar Sent: Monday, August 14, 2023 3:10 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: [AI] Are publishers in India obligated to provide soft copies to the blind on request? Hello list members, As the subject line indicates, I want to know that if a visually impaired person requests a publisher for the soft copy of a book, is the publisher obligated by law to provide the same? If so, then can he be penalised for not fulfilling the request? Today, I called a publisher in Mumbai and requested for the soft copy of a book which is quite essential for my doctoral research; I was willing to pay the price of the hard copy for the soft copy, but the publisher's response was very callous and insensitive. The book
Re: [AI] Are publishers in India obligated to provide soft copies to the blind on request?
Does India have an organization that scans to OCR books for the blind? You might want to consider such an option. Even private individuals can do it at a small fee with software such as Fine Reader, Openbook and others (these days there may be other more accurate OCR software than I know about from my university days decades ago! -Original Message- From: Avichal Bhatnagar Sent: Monday, August 14, 2023 6:43 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Are publishers in India obligated to provide soft copies to the blind on request? Hello Prashant Sir, Thanks for making things clear. However, the catch in this entire case is that there's no soft copy available anywhere, thus making it impossible for the print disabled to read. So, I wonder if a case against the publisher can be filed in the court of CCPD on the grounds of discrimination against the disabled? On 8/14/23, prashant...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Avichal, It is not necessary for the private publisher to provide an accessible copy as of now. The law permits you or any other institution to convert it to an accessible format without taking permission of the publisher/copy right holder. However, if that book is being provided by any educational institution to you, you can put the onus on the institution to convert it for you. Publishers don’t want to share soft copy fearing piracy although there are other ways to pirate the book if anyone really wants to do so. This is how the copyright law has worked so far. I wonder if the recent changes to the RPD Act rules can be made applicable on this particularly when only print book has been released. Thanks, Prashant -Original Message- From: accessindia@accessindia.org.in On Behalf Of Avichal Bhatnagar Sent: Monday, August 14, 2023 3:10 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: [AI] Are publishers in India obligated to provide soft copies to the blind on request? Hello list members, As the subject line indicates, I want to know that if a visually impaired person requests a publisher for the soft copy of a book, is the publisher obligated by law to provide the same? If so, then can he be penalised for not fulfilling the request? Today, I called a publisher in Mumbai and requested for the soft copy of a book which is quite essential for my doctoral research; I was willing to pay the price of the hard copy for the soft copy, but the publisher's response was very callous and insensitive. The book is not available as an ebook in any other format as well, such as kindle. He simply said that he would not provide the soft copy, and when I told him that the book was not available in ebook anywhere, so he said that I should read it when it becomes available. I also told him that the book is a big one, so it'll take a lot of time in getting it scanned and proofread, but he did not budge. So, I request the legal experts on the list to please advise me as to what will be the best course of action in this regard? I am planning to sue the publisher in the court of the Chief commissioner for persons with disability, please let me know if it is a good step? Please also explain about any other laws in this regard. Thanks, Avichal -- Avichal Bhatnagar Assistant professor at Department of English, Sri Guru Nanak Dev Khalsa College University of Delhi Doctoral research scholar at Department of humanities Delhi Technological University (formerly Delhi college of engineering) -- Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list.. Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "AccessIndia" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to accessindia+unsubscr...@accessindia.org.in. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/a/accessindia.org.in/d/msgid/accessindia/CADsKw8oAbo4-w%2BsT_NitY0uY53cQ2ziskP1H2fSLop4mRj6VnA%40mail.gmail.com. -- Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list.. Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "AccessIndia" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to accessindia+unsubscr...@accessindia.org.in. To view this discussion on the web visit
Re: [AI] Nobaflix, one of the first and best ott platform specially for the visually impaired people.
Hi, Can I propose that we have a way of excluding sighted people from exploiting the free sponsorship at the expense of honestly blind people? Sighted people who pay generate income for this project. May be someone on this list who knows the membership could verify blindness before onboarding the member. And some other ways of testing blind people such as: Visual appearance of defective eyes, knowledge of braille, knowledge of screen-readers Etc, as part of such testing, for those blind people not on this E-mail list. Until UDID application process is effectively accessible around the country we might want to exclude that as a validation criteria for the moment, although those who have it but are not able to pass other criteria listed above may also be accepted. I’m thinking of at least limiting those not qualified to some extent. Just some thoughts here, subject to your consideration of course. Kind regards, Yamuna Jivana dasa From: Omkar Pawaskar Sent: Monday, August 14, 2023 12:00 AM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: [AI] Nobaflix, one of the first and best ott platform specially for the visually impaired people. Dear All, Are you a visually impaired individual who loves watching movies and web series? Nobaflix is here to make your entertainment experience inclusive and enjoyable! Nobaflix is an incredible OTT platform specially designed for visually impaired people, providing super hit movies and web series with audio descriptions, allowing you to watch independently and immerse yourself in captivating stories. What is Nobaflix? Nobaflix is a groundbreaking app that offers an extensive collection of movies and web series, all enhanced with audio descriptions. This unique feature enables visually impaired individuals to follow the plot, feel the emotions, and savor the magic of cinema, just like everyone else. Sponsorship Opportunity by Hamdard Foundation India: We understand that not everyone may have the financial means to access this amazing platform. That's why we are thrilled to share that Hamdard Foundation India is graciously sponsoring the subscriptions of Nobaflix for every 100 visually impaired individuals who sign up for the sponsorship list. How to Avail Sponsorship: 1.Download the Nobaflix app from the Google Play Store (link below). 2.Sign up and create your account within the app. 3.When you try to play any content a verification page will appear, you can select from any of the three options. 4.Visit the "Subscription" section and "Request for sponsorship" your name and details will get listed to the sponsorship list. 5.Now you're all set to enjoy a wide range of movies and web series with audio descriptions, courtesy of the sponsorship! Download Nobaflix App: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.nobaflix.user Sponsorship Video Tutorial: https://youtu.be/E9oaLsxpgec Spread the Word: We kindly request your support in sharing this message with as many visually impaired individuals as possible who are interested in accessing audio-described movies and web series. Together, we can make entertainment accessible to everyone. Let's ensure that nobody misses out on the joy of cinematic brilliance. Join Nobaflix today, get your name on the sponsorship list, and experience the magic of movies with audio descriptions. For more information or any inquiries, feel free to contact us at h...@nobaflix.com Thank you for your support, and let's make this world a more inclusive and enjoyable place for all! -- Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list.. Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "AccessIndia" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to accessindia+unsubscr...@accessindia.org.in. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/a/accessindia.org.in/d/msgid/accessindia/CAOx4TmTUNVFk9u2GUmfEO6z_SSGzt6_kWc_Lmgarxeqm%2BDCkXg%40mail.gmail.com. -- Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list.. Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "AccessIndia" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to accessindia+unsubscr...@accessindia.org.in. To view this discussion on the web visit
Re: [AI] Job advertisement for female computer trainer:
Hi Anirudh, The post requests female teachers to teach female students. It did not say male teachers cannot teach male students as a further elaboration. Therefore it cannot be classified as discrimination because male teachers and male students are not excluded from participating in education by their request, only that it be done within gender boundaries. My understanding is that the school is probably for female students and if we understand the reason why a school is designated this way is obviously to protect the culture of avoiding loose mingling between male and female in a general sense. Our Indian culture in a traditional sense is very aware of chastity, integrity and protection against permiscuous conduct in its society. This is in fact commendable and is worthy of our appreciation. Hope this clarifies my position on this. Yamuna Jivana dasa From: anirudh rao Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2023 7:11 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Job advertisement for female computer trainer: I totally agree with Ritesh. hi Yamuna, if there is such a culture that discriminates male members against their female counterparts, there cannot be anything abominable than that. I am not of the opinion that the west is the best but am simply against hypocrisy. On Sun, Aug 13, 2023 at 3:57 PM Yamuna Jivana dasa (Yogan Khandoo) wrote: No that is not discrimination. It is culture at its best. The West promotes free mixing of sexes as normal. It’s not normal. And this is coming from a VI male BTW. Let female teachers teach female students if that is what the institution desires. It’s not inappropriate, discriminatory Etc. From: Ritesh Agarwal Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2023 10:18 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Job advertisement for female computer trainer: What a discriminatory post against male VI candidates!!! Regards Ritesh On Mon, Jul 31, 2023 at 11:36 AM sasikumar s wrote: Greetings from Karna Vidya Placement cell! Are you interested in teaching technology? Do you want to progress your career as a Computer teacher? Then, here is the opportunity for you. Karna Vidya Foundation is looking for enthusiastic female Visually Impaired computer teacher to promote computer literacy among the Visually Impaired students. Kindly go-through the below details clearly and apply, If your skills match with this role. Last date to register 06-08-2023. Registration Link: https://forms.gle/2jypzce8JA6Giicz5 Company Info: Introduction to Karna Vidya Foundation Primary vision and mission of the organization is empowerment through employment for persons with visual Impairment. The foundation provides career guidance, vocational and employability skills training enabled by technology and need based training for those employees, persons with sudden onset of visual impairment in the middle years of life. Develops and publishes accessible reading and learning materials in DAISY / epub and Audio formats for various educational and competitive examination preparations needs in collaboration with Bookshare.org, an international online accessible library. Supports Children with visual impairments in schools with STEM (Science Technology Engineering Math) education with volunteer engagement. Reading and recording session for persons with visual impairments through Karna Vidya Reading Centre and Library. Responsibilities: • Train and instruct students. • Design and develop computer instructional material useful for end-users and learners. • Design, implement and administer training schedules. • Evaluate and assess student progress, implement new technologies and methodologies in training issues. • Assist and support other personnel in classroom management. • Review and evaluate trainee need and design appropriate course material. • Integrate best practices in training schedules, procedures and issues. Require skills: Good at teaching computer. Good at handling students. Good at operating technology with the help of screen reading software. Good at problem solving. Eligibilities: Gender: Female. Age: Below 35. Disability: Visually Impaired. Educational Qualification: +2 and above. Technical qualification: Certificate course on basic computer training. Languages known: Tamil and English. Others: Job Location: Madurai and Tirunelveli. Number of openings: 3. Pay: Company norms. For further details contact: Sasikumar S 9789800794. E-mail: train...@karnavidyafoundation.org -- Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any
Re: [AI] Job advertisement for female computer trainer:
No that is not discrimination. It is culture at its best. The West promotes free mixing of sexes as normal. It’s not normal. And this is coming from a VI male BTW. Let female teachers teach female students if that is what the institution desires. It’s not inappropriate, discriminatory Etc. From: Ritesh Agarwal Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2023 10:18 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Job advertisement for female computer trainer: What a discriminatory post against male VI candidates!!! Regards Ritesh On Mon, Jul 31, 2023 at 11:36 AM sasikumar s wrote: Greetings from Karna Vidya Placement cell! Are you interested in teaching technology? Do you want to progress your career as a Computer teacher? Then, here is the opportunity for you. Karna Vidya Foundation is looking for enthusiastic female Visually Impaired computer teacher to promote computer literacy among the Visually Impaired students. Kindly go-through the below details clearly and apply, If your skills match with this role. Last date to register 06-08-2023. Registration Link: https://forms.gle/2jypzce8JA6Giicz5 Company Info: Introduction to Karna Vidya Foundation Primary vision and mission of the organization is empowerment through employment for persons with visual Impairment. The foundation provides career guidance, vocational and employability skills training enabled by technology and need based training for those employees, persons with sudden onset of visual impairment in the middle years of life. Develops and publishes accessible reading and learning materials in DAISY / epub and Audio formats for various educational and competitive examination preparations needs in collaboration with Bookshare.org, an international online accessible library. Supports Children with visual impairments in schools with STEM (Science Technology Engineering Math) education with volunteer engagement. Reading and recording session for persons with visual impairments through Karna Vidya Reading Centre and Library. Responsibilities: • Train and instruct students. • Design and develop computer instructional material useful for end-users and learners. • Design, implement and administer training schedules. • Evaluate and assess student progress, implement new technologies and methodologies in training issues. • Assist and support other personnel in classroom management. • Review and evaluate trainee need and design appropriate course material. • Integrate best practices in training schedules, procedures and issues. Require skills: Good at teaching computer. Good at handling students. Good at operating technology with the help of screen reading software. Good at problem solving. Eligibilities: Gender: Female. Age: Below 35. Disability: Visually Impaired. Educational Qualification: +2 and above. Technical qualification: Certificate course on basic computer training. Languages known: Tamil and English. Others: Job Location: Madurai and Tirunelveli. Number of openings: 3. Pay: Company norms. For further details contact: Sasikumar S 9789800794. E-mail: train...@karnavidyafoundation.org -- Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list.. Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "AccessIndia" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to mailto:accessindia%2bunsubscr...@accessindia.org.in. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/a/accessindia.org.in/d/msgid/accessindia/CAKQVzActzLpvL9N7mWGKL-qZFX%3DzTmu-0NQkqYpg0HQoHpRQwA%40mail.gmail.com. -- Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list.. Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "AccessIndia" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to accessindia+unsubscr...@accessindia.org.in. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/a/accessindia.org.in/d/msgid/accessindia/CAKVH5_P-sWC5MPiVCdToCpM%3DbcfWpa30bwdqG_ARE-5JvrKnyA%40mail.gmail.com. -- Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates
Re: [AI] Developing devices with and for the Visually Impaired
Hi, I just wrote the following E-mail to the Biped developers. Not sure how many of you will agree with me, but this is my opinion. You're welcome to share thoughts either way. Hi,I just listened to a demo of the Biped device. One problem I foresee is that when a blind person walks around outdoors with earphones on, it is harder to hear the environment and to thus keep straight on the road or pavement Etc. An idea would be to mount small speakers on the user's sholders that do not intrude the ear-holes. This way the user hears the environment as well as the device. This is feedback from a totally blind person from birth. Thank you kindly. By the way we cannot wait for you to include India in your distribution market. India is very populated and so too should be the percentage of blind citizens, so you should find a major market here. Your pricing should be tailored to the currency value, with the expectation of volume sales making up your profits. Looking forward to your feedback. Kind regards, Yamuna Jivana Dasa (Vrindavan India) -Original Message- From: Pranav Lal Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2023 7:39 AM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: RE: [AI] Developing devices with and for the Visually Impaired Pinkesh, The closest you are getting to an affordable sighted assistant are the video glasses being made by SHG Technologies. Wait for their next iteration before you judge them. I do not know any more. I had met the founder on a recent visit to Bangalore where we had a constructive discussion on what was needed and I had a chance to see the product. Most driverless cars have an array of sensors that are fitted on various parts of the car. These sensors then send data to a computer which does the processing and takes a decision. Where are you going to mount multiple sensors on a human? In addition, you need to power the computer and finally, convey the feedback to the human. Having said the above, work is on in this space. See the below link for a reference. https://www.biped.ai/ Pranav -Original Message- From: accessindia@accessindia.org.in On Behalf Of Pinkesh Tailor Sent: Tuesday, August 8, 2023 10:27 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Developing devices with and for the Visually Impaired Can some artificial intelligent robot be developed at a very, very, affordable cost who can assist like a sighted escort. This is just inline of what Tesla is trying to innovate towards a driverless car. Then why not a safe and carefree navigation on feet with a intelligent bot? to be named as "Sathi Andhero ka" :) On 8/1/23, Saurav Hegde wrote: Hi, Very good initiative but I have a suggestion to you and everyone involved in developing technologies for the VI community. Along with these braille devices, serious advancements need to be made in the mobility space as I believe that mobility is one of the biggest challenges for a VI person. Mobility is just not being able to walk on the road, it includes inhouse and in campus mobility. It is quite frustrating to need someone's help in moving in a house just because it is new and unfamiliar. You constantly have to plan your next move in order to prevent hurting yourself or crashing into someone which could hurt them or create awkward movements. The blind cane is a great tool, I use it almost every day, but it has started to become outdated for the 21st century. It cannot be used everywhere and with ease. Feel free to reply if you agree or disagree. Warm regards, Saurav Hegde On Tue, Aug 1, 2023 at 10:27 AM kaviraj prithvi wrote: Dear Group Members, I am a recent graduate from IIT Guwahati and the founder of uDot Braille Tech where we are building novel technologies including a silent, backpack fitting braille embosser. After a year of research and development in college, we managed to achieve relatively noiseless and consistent quality embossing on braille paper with a miniature device that would also be cheaper than current products. This success and the underlying core technology developed allows us to attempt previously unthinkable devices and capabilities . Examples for potential products include a combined brailler plus embosser and even full page refreshable displays. We want to build a solution that can cater to as many of the important requirements as possible, be it in the educational setup or the workspace. This is a full time effort and we are dedicated to a commercial product launch in the coming months. I seek your involvement in our endeavor via phone calls/online interviews and any other subsequent form of engagement that is necessary. Your active involvement and input will help shape the product that we build. Therefore I request you to reach out to me if interested and also inform anyone you know whose thoughts, experience can make a difference. You can reach me at my mobile number, +91 9845809712 or email me at kavirajprith...@gmail.com Thanks &
Re: [AI] Reflections on the First Access Collective Meet
Email SignatureThanks for rectifying this for me. Would be good to meet him some day. A brilliant musician. I wouldn’t want any of our blind community to feel disappointment in one of our own stars! YJd From: 'PAUL MUDDHA' via AccessIndia Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2023 11:33 AM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: RE: [AI] Reflections on the First Access Collective Meet Yamuna, I know Steevy Wonders closely through few friends of mine La and Detroit who were his classmates. He is humble to his profession. I wanted to call him to India in 2004 but couldn’t follow it up. From: accessindia@accessindia.org.in On Behalf Of Yamuna Jivana Dasa (Yogan Khandoo) Sent: Tuesday, August 8, 2023 11:07 AM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Reflections on the First Access Collective Meet CAUTION: This email is originated from outside Canara Bank. Do not click any links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know that the content is safe. Hi Paul, You wrote: > It reminded me of Steevy Wonders singing in 1980S. > I was going to take this off-list but because you brought in Stevie I decided to keep it here! I was always a fan of Stevie until a friend of mine from France who knew him and had a few encounters with him in Oregon in the U.S. told me of an incident when Stevie made a comment: “When I sing, money jumps.” I was so disgusted at his pride so that I felt very disappointed. I only hope my friend either heard wrong or was just making that up. Will never know. Please pray for me that I will always remain humble. Humility is the mother of devotion to God. Yamuna Jivana dasa From: 'PAUL MUDDHA' via AccessIndia Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2023 11:00 AM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: RE: [AI] Reflections on the First Access Collective Meet Hi Yamuna, wonderful song. It reminded me of Steevy Wonders singing in 1980S. Keep up the good working of developing music in India too. Best From: accessindia@accessindia.org.in On Behalf Of george.abrah...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, August 8, 2023 10:42 AM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: RE: [AI] Reflections on the First Access Collective Meet CAUTION: This email is originated from outside Canara Bank. Do not click any links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know that the content is safe. Splendid! Would like to get on a call with you. Either you could share your number or you could give me a call on 011 45500380. I look forward to connecting with you. Best, George From: accessindia@accessindia.org.in On Behalf Of Yamuna Jivana Dasa (Yogan Khandoo) Sent: 08 August 2023 10:31 To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Reflections on the First Access Collective Meet Hi George, You wrote: > Did I read right about you being the singer in the video? > Yes Sir. I composed and produced the music at my home studio mainly without sighted help. Then I sang the vocals and backing vocals myself. That all happened when I lived in South Africa. I have now moved to India. Perhaps I will eventually teach this to other blind musician enthusiasts when I am back on my feet in India. Kind regards, Yamuna Jivana dasa From: george.abrah...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, August 07, 2023 3:41 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: RE: [AI] Reflections on the First Access Collective Meet Very nice recording. Did I read right about you being the singer in the video ? Best, George From: accessindia@accessindia.org.in On Behalf Of Yamuna Jivana Dasa (Yogan Khandoo) Sent: 07 August 2023 14:00 To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Reflections on the First Access Collective Meet Hi, This sounds interesting. Is this held somewhere in India? The song was professionally produced. Well done. Very modern and although it’s not my style of production I acknowledge it was very much in line with the music of today. A little off-topic, but my complaint about modern English music is that they are required to swallow their lyrics as they sing so that it’s hard to hear the message, although the intonation of the vocal notes are very skilled. I prefer lyrics that are spaced and easier to hear, and that the other instrumentation should not crowd the vocalist. If you do that in modern music they will call it out-dated. For example, here’s a song I wrote, produced and performed where I keep the music simple enough and the lyrics easy to hear, which many have called out-dated: Dream (Ballad mix) on Youtube. In time this trend will continue so that unclear lyrics gets worse and more synthetic with autotune turning singers into robots. I think real musicians should stand up so that trend does not continue. We are real people singing real songs in the real world. We should not allow the industry to trend robotic music to become th
Re: [AI] Reflections on the First Access Collective Meet
Email SignatureHi Paul, You wrote: > It reminded me of Steevy Wonders singing in 1980S. > I was going to take this off-list but because you brought in Stevie I decided to keep it here! I was always a fan of Stevie until a friend of mine from France who knew him and had a few encounters with him in Oregon in the U.S. told me of an incident when Stevie made a comment: “When I sing, money jumps.” I was so disgusted at his pride so that I felt very disappointed. I only hope my friend either heard wrong or was just making that up. Will never know. Please pray for me that I will always remain humble. Humility is the mother of devotion to God. Yamuna Jivana dasa From: 'PAUL MUDDHA' via AccessIndia Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2023 11:00 AM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: RE: [AI] Reflections on the First Access Collective Meet Hi Yamuna, wonderful song. It reminded me of Steevy Wonders singing in 1980S. Keep up the good working of developing music in India too. Best From: accessindia@accessindia.org.in On Behalf Of george.abrah...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, August 8, 2023 10:42 AM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: RE: [AI] Reflections on the First Access Collective Meet CAUTION: This email is originated from outside Canara Bank. Do not click any links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know that the content is safe. Splendid! Would like to get on a call with you. Either you could share your number or you could give me a call on 011 45500380. I look forward to connecting with you. Best, George From: accessindia@accessindia.org.in On Behalf Of Yamuna Jivana Dasa (Yogan Khandoo) Sent: 08 August 2023 10:31 To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Reflections on the First Access Collective Meet Hi George, You wrote: > Did I read right about you being the singer in the video? > Yes Sir. I composed and produced the music at my home studio mainly without sighted help. Then I sang the vocals and backing vocals myself. That all happened when I lived in South Africa. I have now moved to India. Perhaps I will eventually teach this to other blind musician enthusiasts when I am back on my feet in India. Kind regards, Yamuna Jivana dasa From: george.abrah...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, August 07, 2023 3:41 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: RE: [AI] Reflections on the First Access Collective Meet Very nice recording. Did I read right about you being the singer in the video ? Best, George From: accessindia@accessindia.org.in On Behalf Of Yamuna Jivana Dasa (Yogan Khandoo) Sent: 07 August 2023 14:00 To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Reflections on the First Access Collective Meet Hi, This sounds interesting. Is this held somewhere in India? The song was professionally produced. Well done. Very modern and although it’s not my style of production I acknowledge it was very much in line with the music of today. A little off-topic, but my complaint about modern English music is that they are required to swallow their lyrics as they sing so that it’s hard to hear the message, although the intonation of the vocal notes are very skilled. I prefer lyrics that are spaced and easier to hear, and that the other instrumentation should not crowd the vocalist. If you do that in modern music they will call it out-dated. For example, here’s a song I wrote, produced and performed where I keep the music simple enough and the lyrics easy to hear, which many have called out-dated: Dream (Ballad mix) on Youtube. In time this trend will continue so that unclear lyrics gets worse and more synthetic with autotune turning singers into robots. I think real musicians should stand up so that trend does not continue. We are real people singing real songs in the real world. We should not allow the industry to trend robotic music to become the new normal. Anyway sorry for the off-topic. YJd From: Aparna Sachdev Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2023 8:45 PM To: undisclosed-recipients: Subject: [AI] Reflections on the First Access Collective Meet Hello again! 13 Disabled people walked into a coffee shop. Nope, not trying to make yet another tasteless disability joke. This past Sunday, 13 of us met up at the Café Coffee Day in Green Park to chat, share crip stories, and experience something of Disability Pride together before Disability Pride Month came to an end. Talk naturally turned to people’s first moments of disability pride – some people identified their first contact with collectivities of disabled people as the germinal moment for disability pride, others pointed to moments when as disabled people they experienced feeling and being recognised as competent human beings at university or at work. Still others identified “coming out of the closet” as a disabled person as being empowering. Interestingly, “coming out” and th
Re: [AI] Reflections on the First Access Collective Meet
Hi George, You wrote: > Did I read right about you being the singer in the video? > Yes Sir. I composed and produced the music at my home studio mainly without sighted help. Then I sang the vocals and backing vocals myself. That all happened when I lived in South Africa. I have now moved to India. Perhaps I will eventually teach this to other blind musician enthusiasts when I am back on my feet in India. Kind regards, Yamuna Jivana dasa From: george.abrah...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, August 07, 2023 3:41 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: RE: [AI] Reflections on the First Access Collective Meet Very nice recording. Did I read right about you being the singer in the video ? Best, George From: accessindia@accessindia.org.in On Behalf Of Yamuna Jivana Dasa (Yogan Khandoo) Sent: 07 August 2023 14:00 To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Reflections on the First Access Collective Meet Hi, This sounds interesting. Is this held somewhere in India? The song was professionally produced. Well done. Very modern and although it’s not my style of production I acknowledge it was very much in line with the music of today. A little off-topic, but my complaint about modern English music is that they are required to swallow their lyrics as they sing so that it’s hard to hear the message, although the intonation of the vocal notes are very skilled. I prefer lyrics that are spaced and easier to hear, and that the other instrumentation should not crowd the vocalist. If you do that in modern music they will call it out-dated. For example, here’s a song I wrote, produced and performed where I keep the music simple enough and the lyrics easy to hear, which many have called out-dated: Dream (Ballad mix) on Youtube. In time this trend will continue so that unclear lyrics gets worse and more synthetic with autotune turning singers into robots. I think real musicians should stand up so that trend does not continue. We are real people singing real songs in the real world. We should not allow the industry to trend robotic music to become the new normal. Anyway sorry for the off-topic. YJd From: Aparna Sachdev Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2023 8:45 PM To: undisclosed-recipients: Subject: [AI] Reflections on the First Access Collective Meet Hello again! 13 Disabled people walked into a coffee shop. Nope, not trying to make yet another tasteless disability joke. This past Sunday, 13 of us met up at the Café Coffee Day in Green Park to chat, share crip stories, and experience something of Disability Pride together before Disability Pride Month came to an end. Talk naturally turned to people’s first moments of disability pride – some people identified their first contact with collectivities of disabled people as the germinal moment for disability pride, others pointed to moments when as disabled people they experienced feeling and being recognised as competent human beings at university or at work. Still others identified “coming out of the closet” as a disabled person as being empowering. Interestingly, “coming out” and the experience of pride in marginal identity seem to be mutually reinforcing factors, in that “coming out” is a declaration of pride, and pride makes it possible to “come out”. So much of the disability stuff we read came alive that day: we saw Crip Technoscience in action in the self-designed cane tips and telescoping white cane that blind physics professor Dr. T.K. Bansal had brought, another person wrote shayari about his frequent experiences of being unceremoniously grabbed and helped as a blind person regardless of whether he wanted it, a crip artistic rendering of #JustAskDon’tGrab. However, we collectively acknowledge that the group this time was largely blind people, and resolved that the Access Collective venues from hereon would be picked to be accessible to wheelchair-using folks. Our sincere apologies for not being able to ensure access for all for the first meet. The short notice (and our limited spoons) prevented us from carrying out an extensive accessibility recce of multiple venues. We would love for people to contribute with information, ideas, suggestions etc, because the Access Collective is envisaged as a decentralised endeavour where everyone has ownership of the group and its functioning. You can write to us at access.collectiv...@gmail.com. The next meet is scheduled for Sunday, August 27th, venue yet to be decided. Okay, logistics aside, we’ve been very excited about something for the past week or so. Lachi, a legally blind black singer and founder of RAMPD released Lift me Up, a song written in honour of Judy Heumann, recognised as the “Mother of the US Disability Rights movement”, who passed away earlier this year. We can’t stop listening to it on repeat, it’s that incredibly good. Aptly released in the middle of Disability Pride Month, Lift me up is a t
Re: [AI] Reflections on the First Access Collective Meet
Hi, This sounds interesting. Is this held somewhere in India? The song was professionally produced. Well done. Very modern and although it’s not my style of production I acknowledge it was very much in line with the music of today. A little off-topic, but my complaint about modern English music is that they are required to swallow their lyrics as they sing so that it’s hard to hear the message, although the intonation of the vocal notes are very skilled. I prefer lyrics that are spaced and easier to hear, and that the other instrumentation should not crowd the vocalist. If you do that in modern music they will call it out-dated. For example, here’s a song I wrote, produced and performed where I keep the music simple enough and the lyrics easy to hear, which many have called out-dated: Dream (Ballad mix) on Youtube. In time this trend will continue so that unclear lyrics gets worse and more synthetic with autotune turning singers into robots. I think real musicians should stand up so that trend does not continue. We are real people singing real songs in the real world. We should not allow the industry to trend robotic music to become the new normal. Anyway sorry for the off-topic. YJd From: Aparna Sachdev Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2023 8:45 PM To: undisclosed-recipients: Subject: [AI] Reflections on the First Access Collective Meet Hello again! 13 Disabled people walked into a coffee shop. Nope, not trying to make yet another tasteless disability joke. This past Sunday, 13 of us met up at the Café Coffee Day in Green Park to chat, share crip stories, and experience something of Disability Pride together before Disability Pride Month came to an end. Talk naturally turned to people’s first moments of disability pride – some people identified their first contact with collectivities of disabled people as the germinal moment for disability pride, others pointed to moments when as disabled people they experienced feeling and being recognised as competent human beings at university or at work. Still others identified “coming out of the closet” as a disabled person as being empowering. Interestingly, “coming out” and the experience of pride in marginal identity seem to be mutually reinforcing factors, in that “coming out” is a declaration of pride, and pride makes it possible to “come out”. So much of the disability stuff we read came alive that day: we saw Crip Technoscience in action in the self-designed cane tips and telescoping white cane that blind physics professor Dr. T.K. Bansal had brought, another person wrote shayari about his frequent experiences of being unceremoniously grabbed and helped as a blind person regardless of whether he wanted it, a crip artistic rendering of #JustAskDon’tGrab. However, we collectively acknowledge that the group this time was largely blind people, and resolved that the Access Collective venues from hereon would be picked to be accessible to wheelchair-using folks. Our sincere apologies for not being able to ensure access for all for the first meet. The short notice (and our limited spoons) prevented us from carrying out an extensive accessibility recce of multiple venues. We would love for people to contribute with information, ideas, suggestions etc, because the Access Collective is envisaged as a decentralised endeavour where everyone has ownership of the group and its functioning. You can write to us at access.collectiv...@gmail.com. The next meet is scheduled for Sunday, August 27th, venue yet to be decided. Okay, logistics aside, we’ve been very excited about something for the past week or so. Lachi, a legally blind black singer and founder of RAMPD released Lift me Up, a song written in honour of Judy Heumann, recognised as the “Mother of the US Disability Rights movement”, who passed away earlier this year. We can’t stop listening to it on repeat, it’s that incredibly good. Aptly released in the middle of Disability Pride Month, Lift me up is a tribute to the interdependence, care and community that exists and thrives among disabled people everywhere. Give it a listen! Wishing everyone a happy friendship day! Cheers, The Access Collective Team Sandeep R. Singh and Aparna Sachdev -- Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list.. Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "AccessIndia" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to accessindia+unsubscr...@accessindia.org.in. To view this discussion on the web visit
[AI] Re: Accessibility Accountability with larger companies
Is there someone on this list or perhaps a designated body of people involved with representing to companies for specific accessibility guidelines, to implement in their code or those things to avoid, then following up to see if they are at all inclined to accessibility adjustments, and if not to hold them accountable via regulative processes? Thanks. From: Sadananda Konsam Sent: Saturday, August 05, 2023 6:45 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Airtel Thanks App Accessibility or alternative We need to file representation to the chip executive officer of bharti airtel for making airtel thanks app should be made accessible for uses with vision employment. On Sat, Aug 5, 2023, 5:38 PM Gajendra Vyas wrote: You can pay on website with n v d a . -Original Message- From: accessindia@accessindia.org.in [mailto:accessindia@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of Mohib Anwar Rafay Sent: Friday, August 4, 2023 8:16 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Airtel Thanks App Accessibility or alternative @Yamuna, you will be able to pay your airtel bills from third party apps like paytm or amazon or gpay for that matter. What you need to know, your customer id or fiber landline number and you will have to choose plan and proceed to payment, in this case you will bypass inaccessible airtel interface. As i mentioned in my earlier message, i followed the link that was sent to me by airtel through text message, all of my details were already filled over there, i simply chose the plan and proceed to payment through my airtel axis bank credit card. For bills and other prepaid recharges of my prepaid airtel number, i use airtel thanks app only as its partially accessible or i use airtel light app which is fully accessible with limited functionality. On 8/4/23, Yamuna Jivana Dasa (Yogan Khandoo) wrote: > Hi Pranav, > You say it is possible to use the bank’s interface to pay the bill. > Do they send you a link by E-mail or something like that which takes you to > the payment gateway of your Bank to login and pay from there? Or please say > how you would do it from the bank directly? If I remember correctly those > links are only active for 30 minutes or so and then they expire. That’s what > happened when they signed me up for the first time: the agent sent me a link > by Whatsapp but by the time I managed to get in the link had expired. He > sent it again then it worked. It took me to the Airtel page to show the > payment details, allowed me to click the Pay button which directed the > browser to the Login for ICICI, and once logged in there was a direct option > to pay with OTP to confirm from my phone number linked to my ICICI account. > Is this how it works? > > Thanks. > > Yamuna Jivana dasa > > From: Pranav Lal > Sent: Friday, August 04, 2023 5:09 PM > To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in > Subject: RE: [AI] Airtel Thanks App Accessibility or alternative > > Hi all, > > > > The trick with airtel is not to use their site. > > > > Use your bank or paytm to pay your bill. > > > > Pranav > > -- > Disclaimer: > 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the > person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; > > 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails > sent through this mailing list.. > > > Search for old postings at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "AccessIndia" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to mailto:accessindia%2bunsubscr...@accessindia.org.in. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/a/accessindia.org.in/d/msgid/accessindia/038c01d9c6c8%246870c4c0%2439524e40%24%40gmail.com. > > -- > Disclaimer: > 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the > person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; > > 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails > sent through this mailing list.. > > > Search for old postings at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "AccessIndia" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to mailto:accessindia%2bunsubscr...@accessindia.org.in. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.co
Re: [AI] Airtel Thanks App Accessibility or alternative
Hi Mohib, Thanks for your replies. I don't understand what is the "wallet", Google wallet or PayTM wallet concept. Do they not only serve as a gateway between your bank and your payment recipient? Or do you have to top up their wallet first from your bank account before you can pay from those platforms, in which case it would not be an automatic gateway between your bank balance and the payee you are paying? Once my Aadhaar card is fixed can I use Aadhaar as KYC? What else do they require? I mean Google Pay? You said Airtel Thanks App is parcially accessible - I did not get the same experience - most of the stuff on screen appears to be nonsensical links I can't exactly know what they are, and I can't find out where to even login. But I will try the airtel light App and see how that goes. Thanks for all the info. Yamuna Jivana dasa -Original Message- From: Mohib Anwar Rafay Sent: Friday, August 04, 2023 8:15 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Airtel Thanks App Accessibility or alternative @Yamuna, you will be able to pay your airtel bills from third party apps like paytm or amazon or gpay for that matter. What you need to know, your customer id or fiber landline number and you will have to choose plan and proceed to payment, in this case you will bypass inaccessible airtel interface. As i mentioned in my earlier message, i followed the link that was sent to me by airtel through text message, all of my details were already filled over there, i simply chose the plan and proceed to payment through my airtel axis bank credit card. For bills and other prepaid recharges of my prepaid airtel number, i use airtel thanks app only as its partially accessible or i use airtel light app which is fully accessible with limited functionality. On 8/4/23, Yamuna Jivana Dasa (Yogan Khandoo) wrote: Hi Pranav, You say it is possible to use the bank’s interface to pay the bill. Do they send you a link by E-mail or something like that which takes you to the payment gateway of your Bank to login and pay from there? Or please say how you would do it from the bank directly? If I remember correctly those links are only active for 30 minutes or so and then they expire. That’s what happened when they signed me up for the first time: the agent sent me a link by Whatsapp but by the time I managed to get in the link had expired. He sent it again then it worked. It took me to the Airtel page to show the payment details, allowed me to click the Pay button which directed the browser to the Login for ICICI, and once logged in there was a direct option to pay with OTP to confirm from my phone number linked to my ICICI account. Is this how it works? Thanks. Yamuna Jivana dasa From: Pranav Lal Sent: Friday, August 04, 2023 5:09 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: RE: [AI] Airtel Thanks App Accessibility or alternative Hi all, The trick with airtel is not to use their site. Use your bank or paytm to pay your bill. Pranav -- Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list.. Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "AccessIndia" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to accessindia+unsubscr...@accessindia.org.in. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/a/accessindia.org.in/d/msgid/accessindia/038c01d9c6c8%246870c4c0%2439524e40%24%40gmail.com. -- Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list.. Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "AccessIndia" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to accessindia+unsubscr...@accessindia.org.in. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/a/accessindia.org.in/d/msgid/accessindia/935F1D112DDA46369100C530C071DEAA%40GauraRecordsPC. -- Mohib Anwar Rafay Phone: +91996464 -- Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list.. Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ --- You received this mess
Re: [AI] PayTM or Google Pay?
I don't have credit card, only debit card. Will it still work? Do you link the Google Pay with the bank account or the bank card? Really nervous about exposing my money this way. YJd -Original Message- From: bhargavvaghasiy...@gmail.com Sent: Friday, August 04, 2023 9:16 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: RE: [AI] PayTM or Google Pay? Even Google pay has option to pay any bill using Credit card. -Original Message- From: accessindia@accessindia.org.in On Behalf Of Mohib Anwar Rafay Sent: Friday, August 4, 2023 8:08 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] PayTM or Google Pay? Use google pay, as Paytm has few accessibility issues with talkback. Furthermore, paytm is not allowing the new users to complete KYC, resultantly you won't be able to use paytm wallet to its fullest capacity. For bill pay, money transfer and recharges google pay app is just fine, however g pay has not wallet unlike paytm. You can link your rupay credit cards in both the apps for seemless qr scan payment at the stores. In case you might have further specific question, you are welcome. . On 8/4/23, Yamuna Jivana Dasa (Yogan Khandoo) wrote: Anybody here used both PayTM and Google Pay? I’ve never used either of them and would like some comparison regarding which platform is: 1. Most accessible to Talkback or Jaws; 2. Used by most providers in India such as Government Electricity and gas supplier, phone companies Etc. Any thoughts will be welcome. Thanks. YJd -- Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list.. Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "AccessIndia" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to accessindia+unsubscr...@accessindia.org.in. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/a/accessindia.org.in/d/msgid/accessindia/CF6E3E5402EE4E1DBDF1898A8EA43363%40GauraRecordsPC. -- Mohib Anwar Rafay Phone: +91996464 -- Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list.. Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "AccessIndia" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to accessindia+unsubscr...@accessindia.org.in. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/a/accessindia.org.in/d/msgid/accessindia/CAMudc6wPuVNGP3Ok7DH_w5W5aaxpARrmg7MK-Xbmg8WRLCzZng%40mail.gmail.com. -- Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list.. Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "AccessIndia" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to accessindia+unsubscr...@accessindia.org.in. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/a/accessindia.org.in/d/msgid/accessindia/014801d9c6ea%24e679f720%24b36de560%24%40gmail.com. -- Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list.. Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "AccessIndia" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to accessindia+unsubscr...@accessindia.org.in. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/a/accessindia.org.in/d/msgid/accessindia/7BFDCB3F91D04878BDC899E8B018A917%40GauraRecordsPC.
[AI] PayTM or Google Pay?
Anybody here used both PayTM and Google Pay? I’ve never used either of them and would like some comparison regarding which platform is: 1. Most accessible to Talkback or Jaws; 2. Used by most providers in India such as Government Electricity and gas supplier, phone companies Etc. Any thoughts will be welcome. Thanks. YJd -- Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list.. Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "AccessIndia" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to accessindia+unsubscr...@accessindia.org.in. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/a/accessindia.org.in/d/msgid/accessindia/CF6E3E5402EE4E1DBDF1898A8EA43363%40GauraRecordsPC.
Re: [AI] Airtel Thanks App Accessibility or alternative
Hi Pranav, You say it is possible to use the bank’s interface to pay the bill. Do they send you a link by E-mail or something like that which takes you to the payment gateway of your Bank to login and pay from there? Or please say how you would do it from the bank directly? If I remember correctly those links are only active for 30 minutes or so and then they expire. That’s what happened when they signed me up for the first time: the agent sent me a link by Whatsapp but by the time I managed to get in the link had expired. He sent it again then it worked. It took me to the Airtel page to show the payment details, allowed me to click the Pay button which directed the browser to the Login for ICICI, and once logged in there was a direct option to pay with OTP to confirm from my phone number linked to my ICICI account. Is this how it works? Thanks. Yamuna Jivana dasa From: Pranav Lal Sent: Friday, August 04, 2023 5:09 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: RE: [AI] Airtel Thanks App Accessibility or alternative Hi all, The trick with airtel is not to use their site. Use your bank or paytm to pay your bill. Pranav -- Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list.. Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "AccessIndia" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to accessindia+unsubscr...@accessindia.org.in. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/a/accessindia.org.in/d/msgid/accessindia/038c01d9c6c8%246870c4c0%2439524e40%24%40gmail.com. -- Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list.. Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "AccessIndia" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to accessindia+unsubscr...@accessindia.org.in. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/a/accessindia.org.in/d/msgid/accessindia/935F1D112DDA46369100C530C071DEAA%40GauraRecordsPC.
Re: [AI] Airtel Thanks App Accessibility or alternative
Hi, Airtel.in website doesn’t allow login. When we try it says “We have error connecting. Please press retry to try again”. Then the same thing happens if we press Retry. I am convinced that Airtel wants to make the App the only mechanism for payments, support and other features of their service. This is obvious from everything displayed on their website. Does anyone know if there is a blindness organization challenging Airtel for their lack of accessibility to their Thanks App? I say no thanks to AirTel for now! Problem is I’ve paid for 3 months fiber and now the connection is dead, and no support to reach. Terrible! From: BHAWANI SHANKAR VERMA Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2023 6:45 PM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Airtel Thanks App Accessibility or alternative Try airtel.in through your web browser on your desktop. hope this will help. On 8/1/2023 5:11 PM, Yamuna Jivana Dasa (Yogan Khandoo) wrote: Hi friends, Anybody here using Airtel Fibre? The Airtel Thanks App is inaccessible to Talkback. How do you make payments for services such as your monthly Fibre premiums without sighted help? I tried using the website airtel.in but functionality seems to be limited and they are using the web interface more to push users to performing these functions from the App. Any thoughts? Thanks Yamuna Jivana dasa From: Saurav Hegde Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2023 11:52 AM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Developing devices with and for the Visually Impaired Hi, Very good initiative but I have a suggestion to you and everyone involved in developing technologies for the VI community. Along with these braille devices, serious advancements need to be made in the mobility space as I believe that mobility is one of the biggest challenges for a VI person. Mobility is just not being able to walk on the road, it includes inhouse and in campus mobility. It is quite frustrating to need someone's help in moving in a house just because it is new and unfamiliar. You constantly have to plan your next move in order to prevent hurting yourself or crashing into someone which could hurt them or create awkward movements. The blind cane is a great tool, I use it almost every day, but it has started to become outdated for the 21st century. It cannot be used everywhere and with ease. Feel free to reply if you agree or disagree. Warm regards, Saurav Hegde On Tue, Aug 1, 2023 at 10:27 AM kaviraj prithvi wrote: Dear Group Members, I am a recent graduate from IIT Guwahati and the founder of uDot Braille Tech where we are building novel technologies including a silent, backpack fitting braille embosser. After a year of research and development in college, we managed to achieve relatively noiseless and consistent quality embossing on braille paper with a miniature device that would also be cheaper than current products. This success and the underlying core technology developed allows us to attempt previously unthinkable devices and capabilities . Examples for potential products include a combined brailler plus embosser and even full page refreshable displays. We want to build a solution that can cater to as many of the important requirements as possible, be it in the educational setup or the workspace. This is a full time effort and we are dedicated to a commercial product launch in the coming months. I seek your involvement in our endeavor via phone calls/online interviews and any other subsequent form of engagement that is necessary. Your active involvement and input will help shape the product that we build. Therefore I request you to reach out to me if interested and also inform anyone you know whose thoughts, experience can make a difference. You can reach me at my mobile number, +91 9845809712 or email me at kavirajprith...@gmail.com Thanks & Regards Kaviraj Prithvi uDot Braille Tech Pvt Ltd +91 9845809712 -- Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list.. Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "AccessIndia" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to accessindia+unsubscr...@accessindia.org.in. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/a/accessindia.org.in/d/msgid/accessindia/CADJnh_XrdcuCEd5S2xn1b_8sXX_oLTPysxMvkKd6OK1_P6COUQ%40mail.gmail.com. -- Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending t
[AI] Airtel Thanks App Accessibility or alternative
Hi friends, Anybody here using Airtel Fibre? The Airtel Thanks App is inaccessible to Talkback. How do you make payments for services such as your monthly Fibre premiums without sighted help? I tried using the website airtel.in but functionality seems to be limited and they are using the web interface more to push users to performing these functions from the App. Any thoughts? Thanks Yamuna Jivana dasa From: Saurav Hegde Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2023 11:52 AM To: accessindia@accessindia.org.in Subject: Re: [AI] Developing devices with and for the Visually Impaired Hi, Very good initiative but I have a suggestion to you and everyone involved in developing technologies for the VI community. Along with these braille devices, serious advancements need to be made in the mobility space as I believe that mobility is one of the biggest challenges for a VI person. Mobility is just not being able to walk on the road, it includes inhouse and in campus mobility. It is quite frustrating to need someone's help in moving in a house just because it is new and unfamiliar. You constantly have to plan your next move in order to prevent hurting yourself or crashing into someone which could hurt them or create awkward movements. The blind cane is a great tool, I use it almost every day, but it has started to become outdated for the 21st century. It cannot be used everywhere and with ease. Feel free to reply if you agree or disagree. Warm regards, Saurav Hegde On Tue, Aug 1, 2023 at 10:27 AM kaviraj prithvi wrote: Dear Group Members, I am a recent graduate from IIT Guwahati and the founder of uDot Braille Tech where we are building novel technologies including a silent, backpack fitting braille embosser. After a year of research and development in college, we managed to achieve relatively noiseless and consistent quality embossing on braille paper with a miniature device that would also be cheaper than current products. This success and the underlying core technology developed allows us to attempt previously unthinkable devices and capabilities . Examples for potential products include a combined brailler plus embosser and even full page refreshable displays. We want to build a solution that can cater to as many of the important requirements as possible, be it in the educational setup or the workspace. This is a full time effort and we are dedicated to a commercial product launch in the coming months. I seek your involvement in our endeavor via phone calls/online interviews and any other subsequent form of engagement that is necessary. Your active involvement and input will help shape the product that we build. Therefore I request you to reach out to me if interested and also inform anyone you know whose thoughts, experience can make a difference. You can reach me at my mobile number, +91 9845809712 or email me at kavirajprith...@gmail.com Thanks & Regards Kaviraj Prithvi uDot Braille Tech Pvt Ltd +91 9845809712 -- Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list.. Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "AccessIndia" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to accessindia+unsubscr...@accessindia.org.in. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/a/accessindia.org.in/d/msgid/accessindia/CADJnh_XrdcuCEd5S2xn1b_8sXX_oLTPysxMvkKd6OK1_P6COUQ%40mail.gmail.com. -- Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list.. Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "AccessIndia" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to accessindia+unsubscr...@accessindia.org.in. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/a/accessindia.org.in/d/msgid/accessindia/CAMDaTCY1Q_nYO1F6kJThksZ26RzWD3wiEVDDekREuxgNyJy54g%40mail.gmail.com. -- Disclaimer: 1. Contents of the mails, factual, or otherwise, reflect the thinking of the person sending the mail and AI in no way relates itself to its veracity; 2. AI cannot be held liable for any commission/omission based on the mails sent through this mailing list.. Search for old postings at: http://www.mail-archive.com/accessindia@accessindia.org.in/ --- You received this message
