Re: [AI] [Bulk] Re: India's 1st Blind-friendly Train Runs Between Mysuru, Varanasi

[sanjay]

I wonder how much annoyance and irritation may cause these audio signals in 
public places like railway stations and bus stands etc.  tactile and raised 
flooring  near  the entrance of the coaches with Braille numbers  on the 
coaches may serve better.


- Original Message - 
From: "Vedprakash Sharma" 
To: "'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues 
concerningthe disabled.'" 

Sent: Monday, February 01, 2016 5:58 PM
Subject: [Bulk] Re: [AI] India's 1st Blind-friendly Train Runs Between 
Mysuru,Varanasi



Braille is not the best solution. But unless we get the best, we have to 
be satisfied with the available.

There is a solution to every problem.
In Western countries, as you enter the building indoors, turn and face the 
right wall. A big braille display welcomes you with a lot of info about 
the place.
In many hotels in U S, at the left side of the door, on the frame of the 
door, the room number is written in braille at a designated height so that 
you can guess where is the number written.


Exciting Offers to Grab  Vedprakash Sharma

-Original Message-
From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On 
Behalf Of George Abraham

Sent: Monday, February 01, 2016 11:59 AM
To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues 
concerning the disabled.' 
Subject: Re: [AI] India's 1st Blind-friendly Train Runs Between Mysuru, 
Varanasi


Braille is useful once you get to it. In a public space the challenge will 
be to get to it. I have nothing against Braille. I am simply saying that 
in a crowded Railway station Braille is not the best solution.


-Original Message-
From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On 
Behalf Of Asudani, Rajesh

Sent: 01 February 2016 11:12
To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning 
the disabled.
Subject: Re: [AI] India's 1st Blind-friendly Train Runs Between Mysuru, 
Varanasi


A perfectly rational stand, I concurr with Umesha.


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-Original Message-
From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On 
Behalf Of Umesha S E

Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2016 8:36 AM
To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning 
the disabled.
Subject: Re: [AI] India's 1st Blind-friendly Train Runs Between Mysuru, 
Varanasi


Friends,
Why are you arguing consistently for only one mode of access? I don’t know 
who said Braille is bad. But, every mode of access has its own merits and 
demerits and it equally applies to Braille. We need to understand that 
Braille is not the panacea for all the accessibility problems. I have seen 
here and many times some people argue consistently for Braille without 
looking into its usability. It is clear that Braille is very useful in 
locating seats, births, toilets, emergency exits, reserved seats for 
disabled, etc. There is no second word in it. No one can deny that. It is 
also useful in reading coach number after getting into the coach. For 
example, if one has boarded a coach by asking some lay person on the 
platform and he wants to confirm after boarding, whether what that person 
told is correct or not.
All this is good but it does not end the problem. I am not against 
Braille, or south western railway, or Mysore division. What I meant to say 
is that the issue is not yet over. One cannot identify the coach number 
before boarding. If one has to travel safely, he has to stand on the 
platform approximately at the position where his desired coach will 
arrive. For this to happen seamlessly, the audio announcement should be 
implemented to the polls on the platforms having display boards for the 
coaches. Also the coaches should have audio announcement system. Because, 
sometimes the coaches may not stand at the proper positions, or there may 
not be the prior display of coach array on the platform. Someone may 
oppose this on behalf of deaf blind. But, on the same line, I can oppose 
Braille on behalf of those who don’t know Braille. But I won’t do it as it 
would lead us nowhere.
What I oppose clearly is claiming a train, or any service for that matter, 
as completely accessible just by putting some Braille labels.
For example: most of you know the accessible ATM movement led by Indian 
bank energized by our own friend Prashanth. In our university campus, 
there is a state bank of Mysore ATM which has some Braille label on cash 
dispenser, slip dispenser, etc. it also has an earphone jack. I was very 
happy on seeing that in the illusion that it an accessible ATM. But, upon 
examination, it was 

Re: [AI] [Bulk] Re: India's 1st Blind-friendly Train Runs Between Mysuru, Varanasi

[avinash shahi]

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/varanasi/First-blind-friendly-train-arrives-Varanasi/articleshow/50762294.cms

On 1/31/16, Vedprakash Sharma <vedprakash.sha...@gmail.com> wrote:
> It cannot.
> We cannot find the desired seat number through audio announcement.
> Neither can we locate the toilets etc through audio signals.
> If my coach Number is S3 and seat number is 36, I cannot find it by audio
> announcements.
> I have either to ask for someone's assistance or have to touch the
> designated braille signage.
> If there is another alternative, please do tell.
>
> Exciting Offers to Grab  Vedprakash Sharma
>
> -Original Message-
> From: li...@srinivasu.org [mailto:li...@srinivasu.org]
> Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2016 5:44 PM
> To: vedprakash.sha...@gmail.com; AccessIndia: a list for discussing
> accessibility and issues concerning the disabled.
> <accessindia@accessindia.org.in>
> Subject: Re: [AI] [Bulk] Re: India's 1st Blind-friendly Train Runs Between
> Mysuru, Varanasi
>
> As many folks mentioned, audio  announcements and human assistance would
> help.
>
> Regards,
> Srinivasu Chakravarthula | @csrinivasu
> Sent from my iPhone 5C
>
>> On 31-Jan-2016, at 15:03, Vedprakash Sharma <vedprakash.sha...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> We are criticising the system but are not giving alternate solutions.
>> If Braille is not desirable to locate births, compartments etc, what is
>> the better solution?
>>
>> Exciting Offers to Grab  Vedprakash Sharma
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
>> Behalf Of li...@srinivasu.org
>> Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2016 9:28 AM
>> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
>> concerning the disabled. <accessindia@accessindia.org.in>
>> Subject: Re: [AI] [Bulk] Re: India's 1st Blind-friendly Train Runs
>> Between Mysuru, Varanasi
>>
>> Manish, in general, I agree. But...
>>
>> Would you be comfortable touching seats in a train compartment. How would
>> you know if there is no one seated?
>> Secondly, it is usual that cleanliness in our railway stations is poor.
>> Would you be comfortable touching a dirty wall?
>>
>> It's also true that there would be baggage or other goods anywhere, what's
>> the guarantee that you don't bump into them?
>>
>> Installing Braille signages involves huge investment. Unless Railways
>> ensure practical usage, the investment go waste.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Srinivasu Chakravarthula | @csrinivasu Sent from my iPhone 5C
>>
>>> On 30-Jan-2016, at 08:02, Manish Agrawal <manis...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I agree. Braille signage in public places is good.
>>> Why do people believe it is a bad idea? And what is a better alternative?
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Manish
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
>>> Behalf Of sanjay
>>> Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2016 1:04 AM
>>> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issuesconcerning
>>> the disabled.
>>> Subject: Re: [AI] [Bulk] Re: India's 1st Blind-friendly Train Runs
>>> Between Mysuru, Varanasi
>>>
>>> Blind organisations can think only from their perspective.  either
>>> government or true representatives of disability sector as a whole
>>> cannot have such a narrow perspective.  Whether you like it or not,
>>> for deaf-blind persons braille is the best option.  Those who think
>>> having braille symbols in public places is not a solution should do
>>> their homework again.  Any disability organisation which might have
>>> advocated braille in public places have done so, considering the
>>> needs of all disability categories.  Let there be braille and audio.
>>> We soil our hands while reading braille symbols not because of braille
>>> but because of uncivilised behaviour of our people.
>>>
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Tilakprasad Joshi" <tilakjoshi1...@gmail.com>
>>> To: "AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
>>> concerningthe disabled." <accessindia@accessindia.org.in>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2016 9:34 PM
>>> Subject: [Bulk] Re: [AI] India's 1st Blind-friendly Train Runs
>>> Between Mysuru,Varanasi
>>>
>>>
>>>> I don't see any wrong by having Braille Signage and I feel Braille

Re: [AI] [Bulk] Re: India's 1st Blind-friendly Train Runs Between Mysuru, Varanasi

[Vedprakash Sharma]

We are criticising the system but are not giving alternate solutions.
If Braille is not desirable to locate births, compartments etc, what is the 
better solution?

Exciting Offers to Grab  Vedprakash Sharma

-Original Message-
From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of 
li...@srinivasu.org
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2016 9:28 AM
To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning the 
disabled. <accessindia@accessindia.org.in>
Subject: Re: [AI] [Bulk] Re: India's 1st Blind-friendly Train Runs Between 
Mysuru, Varanasi

Manish, in general, I agree. But...

Would you be comfortable touching seats in a train compartment. How would you 
know if there is no one seated?
Secondly, it is usual that cleanliness in our railway stations is poor. Would 
you be comfortable touching a dirty wall?

It's also true that there would be baggage or other goods anywhere, what's the 
guarantee that you don't bump into them?

Installing Braille signages involves huge investment. Unless Railways ensure 
practical usage, the investment go waste. 

Regards,
Srinivasu Chakravarthula | @csrinivasu
Sent from my iPhone 5C

> On 30-Jan-2016, at 08:02, Manish Agrawal <manis...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I agree. Braille signage in public places is good.
> Why do people believe it is a bad idea? And what is a better alternative?
> 
> Regards,
> Manish
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On 
> Behalf Of sanjay
> Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2016 1:04 AM
> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issuesconcerning the 
> disabled.
> Subject: Re: [AI] [Bulk] Re: India's 1st Blind-friendly Train Runs 
> Between Mysuru, Varanasi
> 
> Blind organisations can think only from their perspective.  either 
> government or true representatives of disability sector as a whole 
> cannot have such a narrow perspective.  Whether you like it or not, 
> for deaf-blind persons braille is the best option.  Those who think 
> having braille symbols in public places is not a solution should do 
> their homework again.  Any disability organisation which might have 
> advocated braille in public places have done so, considering the needs 
> of all disability categories.  Let there be braille and audio.  We 
> soil our hands while reading braille symbols not because of braille but 
> because of uncivilised behaviour of our people.
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Tilakprasad Joshi" <tilakjoshi1...@gmail.com>
> To: "AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues 
> concerningthe disabled." <accessindia@accessindia.org.in>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2016 9:34 PM
> Subject: [Bulk] Re: [AI] India's 1st Blind-friendly Train Runs Between 
> Mysuru,Varanasi
> 
> 
>> I don't see any wrong by having Braille Signage and I feel Braille 
>> has to be there with other alternative, it is up to the person what 
>> he/she prefers, there is nothing wrong suggesting Braille as an option.
>> 
>> Warm Regards,
>> Tilak.
>> 
>>> On 1/27/16, George Abraham <geo...@eyeway.org> wrote:
>>> We all know who the Govt consults!
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On 
>>> Behalf Of Kanchan Pamnani
>>> Sent: 27 January 2016 21:11
>>> To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues 
>>> concerning the disabled.'
>>> Subject: Re: [AI] India's 1st Blind-friendly Train Runs Between 
>>> Mysuru, Varanasi
>>> 
>>> I had the pleasure of telling the railway Board Chairman that 
>>> Braille was a bad idea in compartments and on the train when I met 
>>> him at the NCDEPD meeting in December in Delhi. He turned around and 
>>> told me that it had been recommended by one of our groups and it had 
>>> come as a suggestion from our sector and that they would not have 
>>> done it without consulting  with the Visually Impaired.
>>> So which Delhi based organisation wants to claim the credit for this 
>>> accessibility stunt?
>>> Let someone have the guts to own up to this.
>>> Kanchan
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On 
>>> Behalf Of George Abraham
>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2016 7:25 PM
>>> To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues 
>>> concerning the disabled.'
>>> Subject: Re: [AI] India's 1st Blind-friendly Train Runs Between 
>>> Mysuru, Varanasi
>>

Re: [AI] [Bulk] Re: India's 1st Blind-friendly Train Runs Between Mysuru, Varanasi

[Vedprakash Sharma]

It cannot.
We cannot find the desired seat number through audio announcement.
Neither can we locate the toilets etc through audio signals.
If my coach Number is S3 and seat number is 36, I cannot find it by audio 
announcements.
I have either to ask for someone's assistance or have to touch the designated 
braille signage.
If there is another alternative, please do tell.

Exciting Offers to Grab  Vedprakash Sharma

-Original Message-
From: li...@srinivasu.org [mailto:li...@srinivasu.org] 
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2016 5:44 PM
To: vedprakash.sha...@gmail.com; AccessIndia: a list for discussing 
accessibility and issues concerning the disabled. 
<accessindia@accessindia.org.in>
Subject: Re: [AI] [Bulk] Re: India's 1st Blind-friendly Train Runs Between 
Mysuru, Varanasi

As many folks mentioned, audio  announcements and human assistance would help. 

Regards,
Srinivasu Chakravarthula | @csrinivasu
Sent from my iPhone 5C

> On 31-Jan-2016, at 15:03, Vedprakash Sharma <vedprakash.sha...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> We are criticising the system but are not giving alternate solutions.
> If Braille is not desirable to locate births, compartments etc, what is the 
> better solution?
> 
> Exciting Offers to Grab  Vedprakash Sharma
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On 
> Behalf Of li...@srinivasu.org
> Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2016 9:28 AM
> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues 
> concerning the disabled. <accessindia@accessindia.org.in>
> Subject: Re: [AI] [Bulk] Re: India's 1st Blind-friendly Train Runs 
> Between Mysuru, Varanasi
> 
> Manish, in general, I agree. But...
> 
> Would you be comfortable touching seats in a train compartment. How would you 
> know if there is no one seated?
> Secondly, it is usual that cleanliness in our railway stations is poor. Would 
> you be comfortable touching a dirty wall?
> 
> It's also true that there would be baggage or other goods anywhere, what's 
> the guarantee that you don't bump into them?
> 
> Installing Braille signages involves huge investment. Unless Railways ensure 
> practical usage, the investment go waste. 
> 
> Regards,
> Srinivasu Chakravarthula | @csrinivasu Sent from my iPhone 5C
> 
>> On 30-Jan-2016, at 08:02, Manish Agrawal <manis...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I agree. Braille signage in public places is good.
>> Why do people believe it is a bad idea? And what is a better alternative?
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Manish
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On 
>> Behalf Of sanjay
>> Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2016 1:04 AM
>> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issuesconcerning 
>> the disabled.
>> Subject: Re: [AI] [Bulk] Re: India's 1st Blind-friendly Train Runs 
>> Between Mysuru, Varanasi
>> 
>> Blind organisations can think only from their perspective.  either 
>> government or true representatives of disability sector as a whole 
>> cannot have such a narrow perspective.  Whether you like it or not, 
>> for deaf-blind persons braille is the best option.  Those who think 
>> having braille symbols in public places is not a solution should do 
>> their homework again.  Any disability organisation which might have 
>> advocated braille in public places have done so, considering the 
>> needs of all disability categories.  Let there be braille and audio.  
>> We soil our hands while reading braille symbols not because of braille but 
>> because of uncivilised behaviour of our people.
>> 
>> 
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Tilakprasad Joshi" <tilakjoshi1...@gmail.com>
>> To: "AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues 
>> concerningthe disabled." <accessindia@accessindia.org.in>
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2016 9:34 PM
>> Subject: [Bulk] Re: [AI] India's 1st Blind-friendly Train Runs 
>> Between Mysuru,Varanasi
>> 
>> 
>>> I don't see any wrong by having Braille Signage and I feel Braille 
>>> has to be there with other alternative, it is up to the person what 
>>> he/she prefers, there is nothing wrong suggesting Braille as an option.
>>> 
>>> Warm Regards,
>>> Tilak.
>>> 
>>>> On 1/27/16, George Abraham <geo...@eyeway.org> wrote:
>>>> We all know who the Govt consults!
>>>> 
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] 
>>>> On Behalf Of Kanchan Pamnani

Re: [AI] [Bulk] Re: India's 1st Blind-friendly Train Runs Between Mysuru, Varanasi

[li...@srinivasu.org]

As many folks mentioned, audio  announcements and human assistance would help. 

Regards,
Srinivasu Chakravarthula | @csrinivasu
Sent from my iPhone 5C

> On 31-Jan-2016, at 15:03, Vedprakash Sharma <vedprakash.sha...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> We are criticising the system but are not giving alternate solutions.
> If Braille is not desirable to locate births, compartments etc, what is the 
> better solution?
> 
> Exciting Offers to Grab  Vedprakash Sharma
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf 
> Of li...@srinivasu.org
> Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2016 9:28 AM
> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning 
> the disabled. <accessindia@accessindia.org.in>
> Subject: Re: [AI] [Bulk] Re: India's 1st Blind-friendly Train Runs Between 
> Mysuru, Varanasi
> 
> Manish, in general, I agree. But...
> 
> Would you be comfortable touching seats in a train compartment. How would you 
> know if there is no one seated?
> Secondly, it is usual that cleanliness in our railway stations is poor. Would 
> you be comfortable touching a dirty wall?
> 
> It's also true that there would be baggage or other goods anywhere, what's 
> the guarantee that you don't bump into them?
> 
> Installing Braille signages involves huge investment. Unless Railways ensure 
> practical usage, the investment go waste. 
> 
> Regards,
> Srinivasu Chakravarthula | @csrinivasu
> Sent from my iPhone 5C
> 
>> On 30-Jan-2016, at 08:02, Manish Agrawal <manis...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I agree. Braille signage in public places is good.
>> Why do people believe it is a bad idea? And what is a better alternative?
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Manish
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On 
>> Behalf Of sanjay
>> Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2016 1:04 AM
>> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issuesconcerning 
>> the disabled.
>> Subject: Re: [AI] [Bulk] Re: India's 1st Blind-friendly Train Runs 
>> Between Mysuru, Varanasi
>> 
>> Blind organisations can think only from their perspective.  either 
>> government or true representatives of disability sector as a whole 
>> cannot have such a narrow perspective.  Whether you like it or not, 
>> for deaf-blind persons braille is the best option.  Those who think 
>> having braille symbols in public places is not a solution should do 
>> their homework again.  Any disability organisation which might have 
>> advocated braille in public places have done so, considering the needs 
>> of all disability categories.  Let there be braille and audio.  We 
>> soil our hands while reading braille symbols not because of braille but 
>> because of uncivilised behaviour of our people.
>> 
>> 
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Tilakprasad Joshi" <tilakjoshi1...@gmail.com>
>> To: "AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues 
>> concerningthe disabled." <accessindia@accessindia.org.in>
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2016 9:34 PM
>> Subject: [Bulk] Re: [AI] India's 1st Blind-friendly Train Runs Between 
>> Mysuru,Varanasi
>> 
>> 
>>> I don't see any wrong by having Braille Signage and I feel Braille 
>>> has to be there with other alternative, it is up to the person what 
>>> he/she prefers, there is nothing wrong suggesting Braille as an option.
>>> 
>>> Warm Regards,
>>> Tilak.
>>> 
>>>> On 1/27/16, George Abraham <geo...@eyeway.org> wrote:
>>>> We all know who the Govt consults!
>>>> 
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On 
>>>> Behalf Of Kanchan Pamnani
>>>> Sent: 27 January 2016 21:11
>>>> To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues 
>>>> concerning the disabled.'
>>>> Subject: Re: [AI] India's 1st Blind-friendly Train Runs Between 
>>>> Mysuru, Varanasi
>>>> 
>>>> I had the pleasure of telling the railway Board Chairman that 
>>>> Braille was a bad idea in compartments and on the train when I met 
>>>> him at the NCDEPD meeting in December in Delhi. He turned around and 
>>>> told me that it had been recommended by one of our groups and it had 
>>>> come as a suggestion from our sector and that they would not have 
>>>> done it without consulting  w

Re: [AI] [Bulk] Re: India's 1st Blind-friendly Train Runs Between Mysuru, Varanasi

[Tilakprasad Joshi]

I agree Braille alone will not provide accessibility but one should
not stop suggesting Braille as someone said, even if we do great
progress in technology but Braille is the basic step going towards the
accessibility, let us appreciate whatever government has done because
there is always a way for improvement

Warm Regards,
Tilak.


On 1/31/16, Vedprakash Sharma <vedprakash.sha...@gmail.com> wrote:
> We are criticising the system but are not giving alternate solutions.
> If Braille is not desirable to locate births, compartments etc, what is the
> better solution?
>
> Exciting Offers to Grab  Vedprakash Sharma
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf
> Of li...@srinivasu.org
> Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2016 9:28 AM
> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues concerning
> the disabled. <accessindia@accessindia.org.in>
> Subject: Re: [AI] [Bulk] Re: India's 1st Blind-friendly Train Runs Between
> Mysuru, Varanasi
>
> Manish, in general, I agree. But...
>
> Would you be comfortable touching seats in a train compartment. How would
> you know if there is no one seated?
> Secondly, it is usual that cleanliness in our railway stations is poor.
> Would you be comfortable touching a dirty wall?
>
> It's also true that there would be baggage or other goods anywhere, what's
> the guarantee that you don't bump into them?
>
> Installing Braille signages involves huge investment. Unless Railways ensure
> practical usage, the investment go waste.
>
> Regards,
> Srinivasu Chakravarthula | @csrinivasu
> Sent from my iPhone 5C
>
>> On 30-Jan-2016, at 08:02, Manish Agrawal <manis...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I agree. Braille signage in public places is good.
>> Why do people believe it is a bad idea? And what is a better alternative?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Manish
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
>> Behalf Of sanjay
>> Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2016 1:04 AM
>> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issuesconcerning
>> the disabled.
>> Subject: Re: [AI] [Bulk] Re: India's 1st Blind-friendly Train Runs
>> Between Mysuru, Varanasi
>>
>> Blind organisations can think only from their perspective.  either
>> government or true representatives of disability sector as a whole
>> cannot have such a narrow perspective.  Whether you like it or not,
>> for deaf-blind persons braille is the best option.  Those who think
>> having braille symbols in public places is not a solution should do
>> their homework again.  Any disability organisation which might have
>> advocated braille in public places have done so, considering the needs
>> of all disability categories.  Let there be braille and audio.  We
>> soil our hands while reading braille symbols not because of braille but
>> because of uncivilised behaviour of our people.
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Tilakprasad Joshi" <tilakjoshi1...@gmail.com>
>> To: "AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
>> concerningthe disabled." <accessindia@accessindia.org.in>
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2016 9:34 PM
>> Subject: [Bulk] Re: [AI] India's 1st Blind-friendly Train Runs Between
>> Mysuru,Varanasi
>>
>>
>>> I don't see any wrong by having Braille Signage and I feel Braille
>>> has to be there with other alternative, it is up to the person what
>>> he/she prefers, there is nothing wrong suggesting Braille as an option.
>>>
>>> Warm Regards,
>>> Tilak.
>>>
>>>> On 1/27/16, George Abraham <geo...@eyeway.org> wrote:
>>>> We all know who the Govt consults!
>>>>
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On
>>>> Behalf Of Kanchan Pamnani
>>>> Sent: 27 January 2016 21:11
>>>> To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues
>>>> concerning the disabled.'
>>>> Subject: Re: [AI] India's 1st Blind-friendly Train Runs Between
>>>> Mysuru, Varanasi
>>>>
>>>> I had the pleasure of telling the railway Board Chairman that
>>>> Braille was a bad idea in compartments and on the train when I met
>>>> him at the NCDEPD meeting in December in Delhi. He turned around and
>>>> told me that it had been recommended by one of our groups and it had
>>>> come as a suggestion from our sect

Re: [AI] [Bulk] Re: India's 1st Blind-friendly Train Runs Between Mysuru, Varanasi

[li...@srinivasu.org]

Manish, in general, I agree. But...

Would you be comfortable touching seats in a train compartment. How would you 
know if there is no one seated?
Secondly, it is usual that cleanliness in our railway stations is poor. Would 
you be comfortable touching a dirty wall?

It's also true that there would be baggage or other goods anywhere, what's the 
guarantee that you don't bump into them?

Installing Braille signages involves huge investment. Unless Railways ensure 
practical usage, the investment go waste. 

Regards,
Srinivasu Chakravarthula | @csrinivasu
Sent from my iPhone 5C

> On 30-Jan-2016, at 08:02, Manish Agrawal <manis...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I agree. Braille signage in public places is good.
> Why do people believe it is a bad idea? And what is a better alternative?
> 
> Regards,
> Manish
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf 
> Of sanjay
> Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2016 1:04 AM
> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issuesconcerning the 
> disabled.
> Subject: Re: [AI] [Bulk] Re: India's 1st Blind-friendly Train Runs Between 
> Mysuru, Varanasi
> 
> Blind organisations can think only from their perspective.  either 
> government or true representatives of disability sector as a whole cannot 
> have such a narrow perspective.  Whether you like it or not, for deaf-blind 
> persons braille is the best option.  Those who think having braille symbols 
> in public places is not a solution should do their homework again.  Any 
> disability organisation which might have advocated braille in public places 
> have done so, considering the needs of all disability categories.  Let there 
> be braille and audio.  We soil our hands while reading braille symbols not 
> because of braille but because of uncivilised behaviour of our people.
> 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Tilakprasad Joshi" <tilakjoshi1...@gmail.com>
> To: "AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues 
> concerningthe disabled." <accessindia@accessindia.org.in>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2016 9:34 PM
> Subject: [Bulk] Re: [AI] India's 1st Blind-friendly Train Runs Between 
> Mysuru,Varanasi
> 
> 
>> I don't see any wrong by having Braille Signage and I feel Braille has
>> to be there with other alternative, it is up to the person what he/she
>> prefers, there is nothing wrong suggesting Braille as an option.
>> 
>> Warm Regards,
>> Tilak.
>> 
>>> On 1/27/16, George Abraham <geo...@eyeway.org> wrote:
>>> We all know who the Govt consults!
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On 
>>> Behalf
>>> Of Kanchan Pamnani
>>> Sent: 27 January 2016 21:11
>>> To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues 
>>> concerning
>>> the disabled.'
>>> Subject: Re: [AI] India's 1st Blind-friendly Train Runs Between Mysuru,
>>> Varanasi
>>> 
>>> I had the pleasure of telling the railway Board Chairman that Braille was 
>>> a
>>> bad idea in compartments and on the train when I met him at the NCDEPD
>>> meeting in December in Delhi. He turned around and told me that it had 
>>> been
>>> recommended by one of our groups and it had come as a suggestion from our
>>> sector and that they would not have done it without consulting  with the
>>> Visually Impaired.
>>> So which Delhi based organisation wants to claim the credit for this
>>> accessibility stunt?
>>> Let someone have the guts to own up to this.
>>> Kanchan
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On 
>>> Behalf
>>> Of George Abraham
>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2016 7:25 PM
>>> To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues 
>>> concerning
>>> the disabled.'
>>> Subject: Re: [AI] India's 1st Blind-friendly Train Runs Between Mysuru,
>>> Varanasi
>>> 
>>> Brailee is very in books and on paper. In public spaces Braille is a very
>>> bad idea.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On 
>>> Behalf
>>> Of li...@srinivasu.org
>>> Sent: 27 January 2016 19:22
>>> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues 
>>> concerning
>>> the disabled.
>>> Subject: Re: [AI] India's 1st Blin

Re: [AI] [Bulk] Re: India's 1st Blind-friendly Train Runs Between Mysuru, Varanasi

[Manish Agrawal]

I agree. Braille signage in public places is good.
Why do people believe it is a bad idea? And what is a better alternative?

Regards,
Manish


-Original Message-
From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On Behalf Of 
sanjay
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2016 1:04 AM
To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issuesconcerning the 
disabled.
Subject: Re: [AI] [Bulk] Re: India's 1st Blind-friendly Train Runs Between 
Mysuru, Varanasi

Blind organisations can think only from their perspective.  either 
government or true representatives of disability sector as a whole cannot 
have such a narrow perspective.  Whether you like it or not, for deaf-blind 
persons braille is the best option.  Those who think having braille symbols 
in public places is not a solution should do their homework again.  Any 
disability organisation which might have advocated braille in public places 
have done so, considering the needs of all disability categories.  Let there 
be braille and audio.  We soil our hands while reading braille symbols not 
because of braille but because of uncivilised behaviour of our people.


- Original Message - 
From: "Tilakprasad Joshi" <tilakjoshi1...@gmail.com>
To: "AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues 
concerningthe disabled." <accessindia@accessindia.org.in>
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2016 9:34 PM
Subject: [Bulk] Re: [AI] India's 1st Blind-friendly Train Runs Between 
Mysuru,Varanasi


>I don't see any wrong by having Braille Signage and I feel Braille has
> to be there with other alternative, it is up to the person what he/she
> prefers, there is nothing wrong suggesting Braille as an option.
>
> Warm Regards,
> Tilak.
>
> On 1/27/16, George Abraham <geo...@eyeway.org> wrote:
>> We all know who the Govt consults!
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On 
>> Behalf
>> Of Kanchan Pamnani
>> Sent: 27 January 2016 21:11
>> To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues 
>> concerning
>> the disabled.'
>> Subject: Re: [AI] India's 1st Blind-friendly Train Runs Between Mysuru,
>> Varanasi
>>
>> I had the pleasure of telling the railway Board Chairman that Braille was 
>> a
>> bad idea in compartments and on the train when I met him at the NCDEPD
>> meeting in December in Delhi. He turned around and told me that it had 
>> been
>> recommended by one of our groups and it had come as a suggestion from our
>> sector and that they would not have done it without consulting  with the
>> Visually Impaired.
>> So which Delhi based organisation wants to claim the credit for this
>> accessibility stunt?
>> Let someone have the guts to own up to this.
>> Kanchan
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On 
>> Behalf
>> Of George Abraham
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2016 7:25 PM
>> To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues 
>> concerning
>> the disabled.'
>> Subject: Re: [AI] India's 1st Blind-friendly Train Runs Between Mysuru,
>> Varanasi
>>
>> Brailee is very in books and on paper. In public spaces Braille is a very
>> bad idea.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On 
>> Behalf
>> Of li...@srinivasu.org
>> Sent: 27 January 2016 19:22
>> To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues 
>> concerning
>> the disabled.
>> Subject: Re: [AI] India's 1st Blind-friendly Train Runs Between Mysuru,
>> Varanasi
>>
>> With due respect, I think this is not really helpful. Article does not 
>> talk
>> about any feature other than Braille signage.
>>
>> Does railways guarantee the cleanliness of train?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Srinivasu Chakravarthula | @csrinivasu
>> Sent from my iPhone 5C
>>
>>> On 27-Jan-2016, at 16:25, Monica Eyeway <mon...@eyeway.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> The New Indian Express
>>>
>>> MYSURU: The visually challenged-friendly Mysuru railway station has now
>>> added one more feather in its cap.
>>>
>>> The country’s first visually challenged-friendly train runs between it 
>>> and
>>> Varanasi.
>>>
>>> The bi-weekly train in fitted with metal Braille signage to help the
>>> visually challenged locate coaches, seats, alarm chains, toilets and
>>> emergency windows.
>>>
>>> The Mysuru division of the South Western Railway wan

Re: [AI] [Bulk] Re: India's 1st Blind-friendly Train Runs Between Mysuru, Varanasi

[sanjay]

Blind organisations can think only from their perspective.  either 
government or true representatives of disability sector as a whole cannot 
have such a narrow perspective.  Whether you like it or not, for deaf-blind 
persons braille is the best option.  Those who think having braille symbols 
in public places is not a solution should do their homework again.  Any 
disability organisation which might have advocated braille in public places 
have done so, considering the needs of all disability categories.  Let there 
be braille and audio.  We soil our hands while reading braille symbols not 
because of braille but because of uncivilised behaviour of our people.



- Original Message - 
From: "Tilakprasad Joshi" 
To: "AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues 
concerningthe disabled." 

Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2016 9:34 PM
Subject: [Bulk] Re: [AI] India's 1st Blind-friendly Train Runs Between 
Mysuru,Varanasi




I don't see any wrong by having Braille Signage and I feel Braille has
to be there with other alternative, it is up to the person what he/she
prefers, there is nothing wrong suggesting Braille as an option.

Warm Regards,
Tilak.

On 1/27/16, George Abraham  wrote:

We all know who the Govt consults!

-Original Message-
From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On 
Behalf

Of Kanchan Pamnani
Sent: 27 January 2016 21:11
To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues 
concerning

the disabled.'
Subject: Re: [AI] India's 1st Blind-friendly Train Runs Between Mysuru,
Varanasi

I had the pleasure of telling the railway Board Chairman that Braille was 
a

bad idea in compartments and on the train when I met him at the NCDEPD
meeting in December in Delhi. He turned around and told me that it had 
been

recommended by one of our groups and it had come as a suggestion from our
sector and that they would not have done it without consulting  with the
Visually Impaired.
So which Delhi based organisation wants to claim the credit for this
accessibility stunt?
Let someone have the guts to own up to this.
Kanchan

-Original Message-
From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On 
Behalf

Of George Abraham
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2016 7:25 PM
To: 'AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues 
concerning

the disabled.'
Subject: Re: [AI] India's 1st Blind-friendly Train Runs Between Mysuru,
Varanasi

Brailee is very in books and on paper. In public spaces Braille is a very
bad idea.

-Original Message-
From: AccessIndia [mailto:accessindia-boun...@accessindia.org.in] On 
Behalf

Of li...@srinivasu.org
Sent: 27 January 2016 19:22
To: AccessIndia: a list for discussing accessibility and issues 
concerning

the disabled.
Subject: Re: [AI] India's 1st Blind-friendly Train Runs Between Mysuru,
Varanasi

With due respect, I think this is not really helpful. Article does not 
talk

about any feature other than Braille signage.

Does railways guarantee the cleanliness of train?

Regards,
Srinivasu Chakravarthula | @csrinivasu
Sent from my iPhone 5C


On 27-Jan-2016, at 16:25, Monica Eyeway  wrote:

The New Indian Express

MYSURU: The visually challenged-friendly Mysuru railway station has now
added one more feather in its cap.

The country’s first visually challenged-friendly train runs between it 
and

Varanasi.

The bi-weekly train in fitted with metal Braille signage to help the
visually challenged locate coaches, seats, alarm chains, toilets and
emergency windows.

The Mysuru division of the South Western Railway wants to extend the
facility to Mysuru-Talaguppa, Mysuru-Tirupati, Mysore -Mayilatuthurai
Express trains before March end.

Divisional Railway Manager Rajkumar Lal said the introduction of Braille
signage in coaches is in line with his concern for the visually
challenged.

“I can see many of the visually challenged struggle and ask people for
directions to ticket counters, platforms, railway coaches and seats”, he
said. Lal said it took Rs 2 lakh and two months to get the train fitted
with Braille signage by a Bengaluru-based company.

“I will see that this is done (in three other trains) before March-end
using Member of Parliament Local Area Development Fund’, he said.

Mohan, a visually challenged person, lauded the railways for the 
measure.


He said one can travel in the train alone without assistance from others
and hoped that it would be implemented in all trains in the country.

The Mysuru railway station had recently installed navigation maps in
Braille to guide the visually impaired to reach platforms.

*Terminal at Kadakola*

SWR Divisional Manager Rajkumar Lal said a proposal has been sent to
establish a terminal with six platforms near Kadakola between Mysuru and
Nanjangud at a cost of Rs 67 crore.

He said a terminal at Kengeri would also help run a few more