Re: [address-policy-wg] Final consensus on 2015-01: Alignment of Transfer Requirements for IPv4 Allocations

2015-07-22 Thread Petr Umelov


22.07.2015, 15:14, Sander Steffann san...@steffann.nl:
  Hello working group,

  Shahin Gharghi, Petr Umelov and Yuri@Ip4market argued that this proposal 
 doesn't solve all problems. This has already been discussed and acknowledged 
 during the review phase. No policy proposal will ever solve everything all at 
 once. People wanting additional changes are encouraged to submit new policy 
 proposals to address any remaining issues.

If it wouldn't solve the problems - this would be okay and we could start new 
proposal, described this unresolved problems.

But this proposal will increase multiple LIR accounts creation and the number 
of IPv4 will be decrease. Why don't you understand it?

  Petr Umelov was under the impression that RIPE NCC receives a fixed size 
 IPv4 block from IANA every 6 months, which is not correct as pointed out by 
 Leo Vegoda. 

But the RIPE NCC receives a fixed size. But you don't consider it.



  Sincerely,
  Sander Steffann
  APWG co-chair


-- 
Kind regards,
Petr Umelov



Re: [address-policy-wg] Final consensus on 2015-01: Alignment of Transfer Requirements for IPv4 Allocations

2015-07-22 Thread Petr Umelov
I mean the next

Frome: Ingrid Wijte ing...@ripe.net
Date: 3 March 2015 г. 12:52

Subject: [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE NCC Receives a /13 from IANA's Recovered 
IPv4 Pool
To: ncc-annou...@ripe.net
 

Dear colleagues,

Yesterday, on 2 March 2015, the RIPE NCC and other Regional Internet
Registries (RIRs) were each allocated a /13 of IPv4 address space from
the Internet Assigned Numbers Authority (IANA). The RIPE NCC received
the IPv4 address range 45.8.0.0/13 and we are currently adding this to
our available pool.

Following the exhaustion of IANA's free pool of IPv4 addresses in 2011,
when the RIRs received their final /8s, a global policy caused IANA to
create a recovered pool of leftover and returned IPv4 address blocks.
This policy was ratified by all five RIR communities in 2012 and stated
that IANA would begin making equal, periodic allocations from the
recovered pool when the first RIR reached a /9 of remaining addresses.
This point was reached by LACNIC, the RIR for Latin America and the
Caribbean on 20 May 2014, triggering the global policy and the first
post-exhaustion allocation from IANA.

You can read the global policy here:
http://www.icann.org/en/resources/policy/global-addressing/allocation-ipv4-post-exhaustion

With the current policy in place, the RIPE NCC will receive one-fifth of
any recovered addresses in the pool every six months (every March and
September). The RIPE NCC will continue to distribute these according to
the current last /8 policy, under which Local Internet Registries (LIRs)
may receive a one-time /22 allocation (1,024 addresses).

It is important that network operators continue to deploy IPv6 on their
networks to ensure the future growth of the Internet. More information
on IPv6 deployment can be found here:
www.ipv6actnow.com



With the current policy in place, the RIPE NCC will receive one-fifth of
any recovered addresses in the pool every six months (every March and
September).

22.07.2015, 19:04, Leo Vegoda leo.veg...@icann.org:
 Hi Petr,

 Petr Umelov wrote:

 [...]

    Petr Umelov was under the impression that RIPE NCC receives
   a fixed size IPv4 block from IANA every 6 months, which is not
   correct as pointed out by Leo Vegoda.

  But the RIPE NCC receives a fixed size. But you don't consider it.

 I do not understand what you mean. Can you please explain? In May 2014 the 
 RIRs each received the equivalent of a /11. That dropped to a /12 in 
 September 2014 and a /13 or equivalent in March 2015.

 Regards,

 Leo Vegoda

-- 
Kind regards,
Petr Umelov



Re: [address-policy-wg] Final consensus on 2015-01: Alignment of Transfer Requirements for IPv4 Allocations

2015-07-22 Thread Petr Umelov
I mean the next

From: Ingrid Wijte ing...@ripe.net
Date: 3 March 2015 г. 12:52

Subject: [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE NCC Receives a /13 from IANA's Recovered 
IPv4 Pool
To: ncc-annou...@ripe.net


Dear colleagues,

Yesterday, on 2 March 2015, the RIPE NCC and other Regional Internet
Registries (RIRs) were each allocated a /13 of IPv4 address space from
the Internet Assigned Numbers Authority (IANA). The RIPE NCC received
the IPv4 address range 45.8.0.0/13 and we are currently adding this to
our available pool.

Following the exhaustion of IANA's free pool of IPv4 addresses in 2011,
when the RIRs received their final /8s, a global policy caused IANA to
create a recovered pool of leftover and returned IPv4 address blocks.
This policy was ratified by all five RIR communities in 2012 and stated
that IANA would begin making equal, periodic allocations from the
recovered pool when the first RIR reached a /9 of remaining addresses.
This point was reached by LACNIC, the RIR for Latin America and the
Caribbean on 20 May 2014, triggering the global policy and the first
post-exhaustion allocation from IANA.

You can read the global policy here:
http://www.icann.org/en/resources/policy/global-addressing/allocation-ipv4-post-exhaustion

With the current policy in place, the RIPE NCC will receive one-fifth of
any recovered addresses in the pool every six months (every March and
September). The RIPE NCC will continue to distribute these according to
the current last /8 policy, under which Local Internet Registries (LIRs)
may receive a one-time /22 allocation (1,024 addresses).

It is important that network operators continue to deploy IPv6 on their
networks to ensure the future growth of the Internet. More information
on IPv6 deployment can be found here:
www.ipv6actnow.com



With the current policy in place, the RIPE NCC will receive one-fifth of
any recovered addresses in the pool every six months (every March and
September).

22.07.2015, 19:04, Leo Vegoda leo.veg...@icann.org:
  Hi Petr,

  Petr Umelov wrote:

  [...]

     Petr Umelov was under the impression that RIPE NCC receives
    a fixed size IPv4 block from IANA every 6 months, which is not
    correct as pointed out by Leo Vegoda.

   But the RIPE NCC receives a fixed size. But you don't consider it.

  I do not understand what you mean. Can you please explain? In May 2014 the 
 RIRs each received the equivalent of a /11. That dropped to a /12 in 
 September 2014 and a /13 or equivalent in March 2015.

  Regards,

  Leo Vegoda


-- 
Kind regards,
Petr Umelov



Re: [address-policy-wg] Final consensus on 2015-01: Alignment of Transfer Requirements for IPv4 Allocations

2015-07-22 Thread Sander Steffann
Hi Petr,

 I mean the next
 
 Frome: Ingrid Wijte ing...@ripe.net
 Date: 3 March 2015 г. 12:52
 
 Subject: [ncc-announce] [news] RIPE NCC Receives a /13 from IANA's Recovered 
 IPv4 Pool
 To: ncc-annou...@ripe.net
 
 [...]
 
 With the current policy in place, the RIPE NCC will receive one-fifth of
 any recovered addresses in the pool every six months (every March and
 September).

This is not a fixed size. As Leo has already shown you the size RIPE NCC gets 
has been smaller each time.

But to avoid any lengthy discussions on 2015-01: it has been *concluded*. As 
working group chair I have made my decision and I decided that there is 
consensus on 2015-01. If you do not agree with this decision then please use 
the appeals procedure [1]. There is no point in discussing this any further on 
this mailing list as I have thoroughly reviewed everything and I stand by my 
decisions.

Cheers,
Sander

[1] https://www.ripe.net/publications/docs/ripe-642 section 4