DIRMC question
Hi All, I have a node which has all data bar 1 top-level directory and its contents bound to the default management class (2 year retention). I have a separate management class set up with a slightly longer retention policy for directories and have a DIRMC entry in the dsm.opt file to bind the dirs to this management class. There is one top-level directory and it's contents which is bound to a separate management class that will retain data for 7 years (I use an 'INCLUDE' in the opt file). Can anyone confirm that this directory and all it's subdirs (not the data within but the dirs) will be bound by the 7 year class and not by the DIRMC? In other words, if I delete some data (and dirs) from this directory, will the dirs still be available to restore after the 2 years (and upto 7 years)? Many thanks. C Adams Data Analyst This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. Any views or opinions presented or expressed are those of the author(s) and may not necessarily represent those of the Company or of any WWAV Rapp Collins Group Company and no representation is given nor liability accepted for the accuracy or completeness of any information contained in this email unless expressly stated to the contrary. If you are not the intended recipient or have received this e-mail in error, you may not use, disseminate, forward, print or copy it, but please notify the sender that you have received it in error. Whilst we have taken reasonable precautions to ensure that any attachment to this e-mail has been swept for viruses, we cannot accept liability for any damage sustained as a result of software viruses and would advise that you carry out your own virus checks before opening any attachment. Please note that communications sent by or to any person through our computer systems may be viewed by other company personnel and agents. Registered Office: 1 Riverside, Manbre Road, London W6 9WA This e-mail has been scanned for all viruses by Star Internet. The service is powered by MessageLabs.
Re: DIRMC question
On Tuesday 08 November 2005 15:11, Copperfield Adams wrote: I have a node which has all data bar 1 top-level directory and its contents bound to the default management class (2 year retention). I have a separate management class set up with a slightly longer retention policy for directories and have a DIRMC entry in the dsm.opt file to bind the dirs to this management class. There is one top-level directory and it's contents which is bound to a separate management class that will retain data for 7 years (I use an 'INCLUDE' in the opt file). Can anyone confirm that this directory and all it's subdirs (not the data within but the dirs) will be bound by the 7 year class and not by the DIRMC? In other words, if I delete some data (and dirs) from this directory, will the dirs still be available to restore after the 2 years (and upto 7 years)? From the BA client documentation on DIRMC: If you specify a management class with this option, all directories specified in a backup operation are bound to that management class. So my guess is NO, *every* directory object will be bound to the DIRMC management class, including those in your top-level directory. This means that (assuming this is a Windows/NTFS client) if you restore the data after 2 years, the dirs will be created on the client, but with default attributes (permissions, etc), and you will lose any custom attributes you may have applied to them. OTOH, if you do *not* specify DIRMC, the directory objects will be bound to the 7-year management class by default because it has the longest retention period, and that also goes for *every* directory (not just those in the top-level tree). To be sure, verify with 'dsmc query backup' or with the restore GUI. Dmitri
Re: dirmc question
-Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andrew Raibeck Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 2:34 PM To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: dirmc question Jim, I don't know what goes on with my posts, but for some reason, wherever I wrote an equal (=) sign, something somewhere tacked 3D (the ASCII hex code for '=') after it. I won't pretend to understand how email formats work, but I didn't put it there. So wherever you see xxx=3Dyyy just read xxx=yyy i.e. instead of VEREXISTS=3DNOLIMIT, it should be VEREISTS=NOLIMIT I hope this gets translated correctly, or it really won't make sense! :-) Andy Raibeck IBM Software Group Tivoli Storage Manager Client Development Internal Notes e-mail: Andrew Raibeck/Tucson/[EMAIL PROTECTED] Internet e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The only dumb question is the one that goes unasked. The command line is your friend. Good enough is the enemy of excellence. ADSM: Dist Stor Manager ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU wrote on 01/20/2005 12:13:41: Andy, Thanks for the reference. I was wondering if you could clarify your point about the paramaters for verexists and verdeleted. You stated: you can create a managment class for your directories with VEREXISTS=3DNOLIMIT, VERDELETED=3DNOLIMIT, and RETEXTRA=3Dndays, where 'ndays' is the number of days to which you will guarantee PIT restores via the GUI. For example, if you want to be able to go back up to 30 days, then set RETEXTRA=3D30. Beyond 30 days, you will need to use the CLI. Is the 3D still accepted syntax (this was 2001 after all) and how is that interpreted? as always, thanks for your attention! Andrew Raibeck wrote: Yes, TSM handles directory versioning the same as files. What does dsmc query backup c:\yourfoldername -subdir=yes -inactive show you? (Substitute the folder name in question where I have c:\yourfoldername.) Go to http://search.adsm.org and do a search on +raibeck +pit +gui +nolimit For a couple of old posts from me that discuss this subject. Regards, Andy Andy Raibeck IBM Software Group Tivoli Storage Manager Client Development Internal Notes e-mail: Andrew Raibeck/Tucson/[EMAIL PROTECTED] Internet e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The only dumb question is the one that goes unasked. The command line is your friend. Good enough is the enemy of excellence. ADSM: Dist Stor Manager ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU wrote on 01/20/2005 08:43:27: Does TSM handle folder versioning the same as files? That is, if a user clicks on a folder to get to a file in it is the folder updated such that a new version is backed up? I'm looking for a reason a GUI PIT restore wouldn't display a folder and it's contents that were obviously there. I'm using DIRMC and have extra versions and ver del set to one plus the values in the files MC, but if a folder gets backed up everytime it's touched then there probably aren't enough versions data exists. thanks, Jim -- Jim Kirkman ITS Infrastructure UNC-Chapel Hill 919-698-8615
Re: dirmc question
On Jan 21, 2005, at 9:47 AM, Lepre, James wrote: Jim, I don't know what goes on with my posts, but for some reason, wherever I wrote an equal (=) sign, something somewhere tacked 3D (the ASCII hex code for '=') after it. ... Though mail is two-dimensional, you may sometimes see the 3D. :-) That's MIME encoding of character sets, where the mail package which generated the email encoded it as quoted-printable, where various special characters are encoded in hex. You see this in archived postings because you are then looking at the data in its raw form, where the archive site did not decode the mail but rather stored it in its original form. www.adsm.org tends to store in raw form, while http://www.mail-archive.com/adsm-l@vm.marist.edu/ (which I prefer) tends to decode the mail before storing such that it is fully readable. Richard Sims
dirmc question
Does TSM handle folder versioning the same as files? That is, if a user clicks on a folder to get to a file in it is the folder updated such that a new version is backed up? I'm looking for a reason a GUI PIT restore wouldn't display a folder and it's contents that were obviously there. I'm using DIRMC and have extra versions and ver del set to one plus the values in the files MC, but if a folder gets backed up everytime it's touched then there probably aren't enough versions data exists. thanks, Jim
Re: dirmc question
Yes, TSM handles directory versioning the same as files. What does dsmc query backup c:\yourfoldername -subdir=yes -inactive show you? (Substitute the folder name in question where I have c:\yourfoldername.) Go to http://search.adsm.org and do a search on +raibeck +pit +gui +nolimit For a couple of old posts from me that discuss this subject. Regards, Andy Andy Raibeck IBM Software Group Tivoli Storage Manager Client Development Internal Notes e-mail: Andrew Raibeck/Tucson/[EMAIL PROTECTED] Internet e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The only dumb question is the one that goes unasked. The command line is your friend. Good enough is the enemy of excellence. ADSM: Dist Stor Manager ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU wrote on 01/20/2005 08:43:27: Does TSM handle folder versioning the same as files? That is, if a user clicks on a folder to get to a file in it is the folder updated such that a new version is backed up? I'm looking for a reason a GUI PIT restore wouldn't display a folder and it's contents that were obviously there. I'm using DIRMC and have extra versions and ver del set to one plus the values in the files MC, but if a folder gets backed up everytime it's touched then there probably aren't enough versions data exists. thanks, Jim
Re: dirmc question
Andy, Thanks for the reference. I was wondering if you could clarify your point about the paramaters for verexists and verdeleted. You stated: you can create a managment class for your directories with VEREXISTS=3DNOLIMIT, VERDELETED=3DNOLIMIT, and RETEXTRA=3Dndays, where 'ndays' is the number of days to which you will guarantee PIT restores via the GUI. For example, if you want to be able to go back up to 30 days, then set RETEXTRA=3D30. Beyond 30 days, you will need to use the CLI. Is the 3D still accepted syntax (this was 2001 after all) and how is that interpreted? as always, thanks for your attention! Andrew Raibeck wrote: Yes, TSM handles directory versioning the same as files. What does dsmc query backup c:\yourfoldername -subdir=yes -inactive show you? (Substitute the folder name in question where I have c:\yourfoldername.) Go to http://search.adsm.org and do a search on +raibeck +pit +gui +nolimit For a couple of old posts from me that discuss this subject. Regards, Andy Andy Raibeck IBM Software Group Tivoli Storage Manager Client Development Internal Notes e-mail: Andrew Raibeck/Tucson/[EMAIL PROTECTED] Internet e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The only dumb question is the one that goes unasked. The command line is your friend. Good enough is the enemy of excellence. ADSM: Dist Stor Manager ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU wrote on 01/20/2005 08:43:27: Does TSM handle folder versioning the same as files? That is, if a user clicks on a folder to get to a file in it is the folder updated such that a new version is backed up? I'm looking for a reason a GUI PIT restore wouldn't display a folder and it's contents that were obviously there. I'm using DIRMC and have extra versions and ver del set to one plus the values in the files MC, but if a folder gets backed up everytime it's touched then there probably aren't enough versions data exists. thanks, Jim -- Jim Kirkman ITS Infrastructure UNC-Chapel Hill 919-698-8615
Re: dirmc question
Jim, I don't know what goes on with my posts, but for some reason, wherever I wrote an equal (=) sign, something somewhere tacked 3D (the ASCII hex code for '=') after it. I won't pretend to understand how email formats work, but I didn't put it there. So wherever you see xxx=3Dyyy just read xxx=yyy i.e. instead of VEREXISTS=3DNOLIMIT, it should be VEREISTS=NOLIMIT I hope this gets translated correctly, or it really won't make sense! :-) Andy Raibeck IBM Software Group Tivoli Storage Manager Client Development Internal Notes e-mail: Andrew Raibeck/Tucson/[EMAIL PROTECTED] Internet e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The only dumb question is the one that goes unasked. The command line is your friend. Good enough is the enemy of excellence. ADSM: Dist Stor Manager ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU wrote on 01/20/2005 12:13:41: Andy, Thanks for the reference. I was wondering if you could clarify your point about the paramaters for verexists and verdeleted. You stated: you can create a managment class for your directories with VEREXISTS=3DNOLIMIT, VERDELETED=3DNOLIMIT, and RETEXTRA=3Dndays, where 'ndays' is the number of days to which you will guarantee PIT restores via the GUI. For example, if you want to be able to go back up to 30 days, then set RETEXTRA=3D30. Beyond 30 days, you will need to use the CLI. Is the 3D still accepted syntax (this was 2001 after all) and how is that interpreted? as always, thanks for your attention! Andrew Raibeck wrote: Yes, TSM handles directory versioning the same as files. What does dsmc query backup c:\yourfoldername -subdir=yes -inactive show you? (Substitute the folder name in question where I have c:\yourfoldername.) Go to http://search.adsm.org and do a search on +raibeck +pit +gui +nolimit For a couple of old posts from me that discuss this subject. Regards, Andy Andy Raibeck IBM Software Group Tivoli Storage Manager Client Development Internal Notes e-mail: Andrew Raibeck/Tucson/[EMAIL PROTECTED] Internet e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The only dumb question is the one that goes unasked. The command line is your friend. Good enough is the enemy of excellence. ADSM: Dist Stor Manager ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU wrote on 01/20/2005 08:43:27: Does TSM handle folder versioning the same as files? That is, if a user clicks on a folder to get to a file in it is the folder updated such that a new version is backed up? I'm looking for a reason a GUI PIT restore wouldn't display a folder and it's contents that were obviously there. I'm using DIRMC and have extra versions and ver del set to one plus the values in the files MC, but if a folder gets backed up everytime it's touched then there probably aren't enough versions data exists. thanks, Jim -- Jim Kirkman ITS Infrastructure UNC-Chapel Hill 919-698-8615
Re: dirmc question
And just to be really clear: i.e. instead of VEREXISTS=3DNOLIMIT, it should be VEREISTS=NOLIMIT is a typo the latter part should be VEREXISTS=NOLIMIT :-) Andy Raibeck IBM Software Group Tivoli Storage Manager Client Development Internal Notes e-mail: Andrew Raibeck/Tucson/[EMAIL PROTECTED] Internet e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The only dumb question is the one that goes unasked. The command line is your friend. Good enough is the enemy of excellence. ADSM: Dist Stor Manager ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU wrote on 01/20/2005 12:33:44: Jim, I don't know what goes on with my posts, but for some reason, wherever I wrote an equal (=) sign, something somewhere tacked 3D (the ASCII hex code for '=') after it. I won't pretend to understand how email formats work, but I didn't put it there. So wherever you see xxx=3Dyyy just read xxx=yyy i.e. instead of VEREXISTS=3DNOLIMIT, it should be VEREISTS=NOLIMIT I hope this gets translated correctly, or it really won't make sense! :-) Andy Raibeck IBM Software Group Tivoli Storage Manager Client Development Internal Notes e-mail: Andrew Raibeck/Tucson/[EMAIL PROTECTED] Internet e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The only dumb question is the one that goes unasked. The command line is your friend. Good enough is the enemy of excellence. ADSM: Dist Stor Manager ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU wrote on 01/20/2005 12:13:41: Andy, Thanks for the reference. I was wondering if you could clarify your point about the paramaters for verexists and verdeleted. You stated: you can create a managment class for your directories with VEREXISTS=3DNOLIMIT, VERDELETED=3DNOLIMIT, and RETEXTRA=3Dndays, where 'ndays' is the number of days to which you will guarantee PIT restores via the GUI. For example, if you want to be able to go back up to 30 days, then set RETEXTRA=3D30. Beyond 30 days, you will need to use the CLI. Is the 3D still accepted syntax (this was 2001 after all) and how is that interpreted? as always, thanks for your attention! Andrew Raibeck wrote: Yes, TSM handles directory versioning the same as files. What does dsmc query backup c:\yourfoldername -subdir=yes -inactive show you? (Substitute the folder name in question where I have c:\yourfoldername.) Go to http://search.adsm.org and do a search on +raibeck +pit +gui +nolimit For a couple of old posts from me that discuss this subject. Regards, Andy Andy Raibeck IBM Software Group Tivoli Storage Manager Client Development Internal Notes e-mail: Andrew Raibeck/Tucson/[EMAIL PROTECTED] Internet e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The only dumb question is the one that goes unasked. The command line is your friend. Good enough is the enemy of excellence. ADSM: Dist Stor Manager ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU wrote on 01/20/2005 08:43:27: Does TSM handle folder versioning the same as files? That is, if a user clicks on a folder to get to a file in it is the folder updated such that a new version is backed up? I'm looking for a reason a GUI PIT restore wouldn't display a folder and it's contents that were obviously there. I'm using DIRMC and have extra versions and ver del set to one plus the values in the files MC, but if a folder gets backed up everytime it's touched then there probably aren't enough versions data exists. thanks, Jim -- Jim Kirkman ITS Infrastructure UNC-Chapel Hill 919-698-8615
Dirmc question
Hello I am running Netware backups at night on disk and during the day I migrate it to cartridge I am planning now to backups those Novell 's client just on a storage disk. For better performance I know backup my dirmc on disk , I think to do a move nodedata from my cartridge storage to my new storage disk but what about my storage disk of dirmc I think I will not need anymore . Did I need to do : 1. A next storage from my actual dirmc storage disk to the new storage disk where the Novell's backup will be after the move nodedata 2. To delete my old dirmc storage pool ( after is empty) 3. To delete the dirmc entry on my dsm.opt I hope I explain myself correctly , any suggestions ! Regards Robert Ouzen E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Dirmc question
From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Ouzen I am running Netware backups at night on disk and during the day I migrate it to cartridge I am planning now to backups those Novell 's client just on a storage disk. For better performance I know backup my dirmc on disk , I think to do a move nodedata from my cartridge storage to my new storage disk but what about my storage disk of dirmc I think I will not need anymore . Did I need to do : 1. A next storage from my actual dirmc storage disk to the new storage disk where the Novell's backup will be after the move nodedata 2. To delete my old dirmc storage pool ( after is empty) 3. To delete the dirmc entry on my dsm.opt Leave your dirmc disk storage pool just the way it is now. Information that goes into your dirmc pool is also stored in your standard disk storage pool, which you are now migrating to tape. The reason you leave the dirmc disk pool in place is so that when you have to perform large-scale restores, the directory structure information is restored from disk; this is much faster than restoring from tape. -- Mark Stapleton ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Berbee Information Networks Office 262.521.5627
Re: Dirmc question
Hi Mark Correct me if I am wrong you said that the information is also stored in my standard disk stotage pool (after migration on tape too). So after a move nodedata on my new storage pool on disk I will not need anymore the dirmc parameter and the old dirmc storage disk , all the information will be on the new storage disk including the directory structure . Regards Ouzen Robert ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) -- FIGHT BACK AGAINST SPAM! Download Spam Inspector, the Award Winning Anti-Spam Filter http://mail.giantcompany.com -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stapleton, Mark Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 6:12 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Dirmc question From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Ouzen I am running Netware backups at night on disk and during the day I migrate it to cartridge I am planning now to backups those Novell 's client just on a storage disk. For better performance I know backup my dirmc on disk , I think to do a move nodedata from my cartridge storage to my new storage disk but what about my storage disk of dirmc I think I will not need anymore . Did I need to do : 1. A next storage from my actual dirmc storage disk to the new storage disk where the Novell's backup will be after the move nodedata 2. To delete my old dirmc storage pool ( after is empty) 3. To delete the dirmc entry on my dsm.opt Leave your dirmc disk storage pool just the way it is now. Information that goes into your dirmc pool is also stored in your standard disk storage pool, which you are now migrating to tape. The reason you leave the dirmc disk pool in place is so that when you have to perform large-scale restores, the directory structure information is restored from disk; this is much faster than restoring from tape. -- Mark Stapleton ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Berbee Information Networks Office 262.521.5627
Re: Dirmc question
Yes, but if you'll read my first reply, you want to leave the dirmc pool in place. It enables *much* faster restores when you have to bring back a lot of files (like an entire drive). -- Mark Stapleton ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Berbee Information Networks Office 262.521.5627 -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Ouzen Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 10:30 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Dirmc question Hi Mark Correct me if I am wrong you said that the information is also stored in my standard disk stotage pool (after migration on tape too). So after a move nodedata on my new storage pool on disk I will not need anymore the dirmc parameter and the old dirmc storage disk , all the information will be on the new storage disk including the directory structure . Regards Ouzen Robert ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) --- --- FIGHT BACK AGAINST SPAM! Download Spam Inspector, the Award Winning Anti-Spam Filter http://mail.giantcompany.com -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stapleton, Mark Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 6:12 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Dirmc question From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Ouzen I am running Netware backups at night on disk and during the day I migrate it to cartridge I am planning now to backups those Novell 's client just on a storage disk. For better performance I know backup my dirmc on disk , I think to do a move nodedata from my cartridge storage to my new storage disk but what about my storage disk of dirmc I think I will not need anymore . Did I need to do : 1. A next storage from my actual dirmc storage disk to the new storage disk where the Novell's backup will be after the move nodedata 2. To delete my old dirmc storage pool ( after is empty) 3. To delete the dirmc entry on my dsm.opt Leave your dirmc disk storage pool just the way it is now. Information that goes into your dirmc pool is also stored in your standard disk storage pool, which you are now migrating to tape. The reason you leave the dirmc disk pool in place is so that when you have to perform large-scale restores, the directory structure information is restored from disk; this is much faster than restoring from tape. -- Mark Stapleton ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Berbee Information Networks Office 262.521.5627
Re: dirmc question
Jim, if I'm reading everyhing right your option override should read: dirmc dirmc dirmc is the option you're setting and you want to point it to management class dirmc Jim Kirkman [EMAIL PROTECTED]@VM.MARIST.EDU on 04/29/2002 03:36:32 PM Please respond to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject: dirmc question I want to implement the dirmc scheme. I've created a disk pool (and have read all about the seq pool with device=file) dirdiskpool, a management class dirmc with a backup copy group pointing to the dirdiskpool, a client option dirmc that is part of a client option set called, you got it, dirmc. I've associated some clients with said option set but I've no evidence of folders in the disk pool. I'm wondering if I've got the option set correctly, although the query looks good Optionset: DIRMC Option: DIRMC Sequence number: 0 Override: No Option Value: dirmc any help appreciated -- Jim Kirkman AIS - Systems UNC-Chapel Hill 966-5884
Re: dirmc question
Jim is correct that you are missing the management class name on the DIRMC option. I wanted to add, however, that you still may not see any volumes being created in your dirdiskpool because unless they have extended ACLs or exceptionally long path names, directory objects are stored exclusively in the TSM database. I believe there have been previous threads discussing at what point directory object data starts spilling over into the storage pools. At 08:19 AM 4/30/02 -0400, you wrote: Jim, if I'm reading everyhing right your option override should read: dirmc dirmc dirmc is the option you're setting and you want to point it to management class dirmc Jim Kirkman [EMAIL PROTECTED]@VM.MARIST.EDU on 04/29/2002 03:36:32 PM Please respond to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject: dirmc question I want to implement the dirmc scheme. I've created a disk pool (and have read all about the seq pool with device=file) dirdiskpool, a management class dirmc with a backup copy group pointing to the dirdiskpool, a client option dirmc that is part of a client option set called, you got it, dirmc. I've associated some clients with said option set but I've no evidence of folders in the disk pool. I'm wondering if I've got the option set correctly, although the query looks good Optionset: DIRMC Option: DIRMC Sequence number: 0 Override: No Option Value: dirmc any help appreciated -- Jim Kirkman AIS - Systems UNC-Chapel Hill 966-5884 Scott McCambly AIX/NetView/ADSM Specialist - Unopsys Inc. Ottawa, Ontario, Canada (613)799-9269
Re: dirmc question
When I use DIRMC with a separate mgmt class and stgpool, I see data immediately in that pool after backup is run. (Not a lot of GB of course, but data is there). I have TSM server 4.2.1.10. David Longo [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/30/02 12:21PM Jim is correct that you are missing the management class name on the DIRMC option. I wanted to add, however, that you still may not see any volumes being created in your dirdiskpool because unless they have extended ACLs or exceptionally long path names, directory objects are stored exclusively in the TSM database. I believe there have been previous threads discussing at what point directory object data starts spilling over into the storage pools. At 08:19 AM 4/30/02 -0400, you wrote: Jim, if I'm reading everyhing right your option override should read: dirmc dirmc dirmc is the option you're setting and you want to point it to management class dirmc Jim Kirkman [EMAIL PROTECTED]@VM.MARIST.EDU on 04/29/2002 03:36:32 PM Please respond to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject: dirmc question I want to implement the dirmc scheme. I've created a disk pool (and have read all about the seq pool with device=file) dirdiskpool, a management class dirmc with a backup copy group pointing to the dirdiskpool, a client option dirmc that is part of a client option set called, you got it, dirmc. I've associated some clients with said option set but I've no evidence of folders in the disk pool. I'm wondering if I've got the option set correctly, although the query looks good Optionset: DIRMC Option: DIRMC Sequence number: 0 Override: No Option Value: dirmc any help appreciated -- Jim Kirkman AIS - Systems UNC-Chapel Hill 966-5884 Scott McCambly AIX/NetView/ADSM Specialist - Unopsys Inc. Ottawa, Ontario, Canada (613)799-9269 MMS health-first.org made the following annotations on 04/30/02 13:58:59 -- This message is for the named person's use only. It may contain confidential, proprietary, or legally privileged information. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by any mistransmission. If you receive this message in error, please immediately delete it and all copies of it from your system, destroy any hard copies of it, and notify the sender. You must not, directly or indirectly, use, disclose, distribute, print, or copy any part of this message if you are not the intended recipient. Health First reserves the right to monitor all e-mail communications through its networks. Any views or opinions expressed in this message are solely those of the individual sender, except (1) where the message states such views or opinions are on behalf of a particular entity; and (2) the sender is authorized by the entity to give such views or opinions. ==
Re: dirmc question
Scott, So, are you saying that the option value should read dirmc dirmc? I thought that once would be enough, given that the only thing to specify with this option is mgmt class. Thanks Scott McCambly wrote: Jim is correct that you are missing the management class name on the DIRMC option. I wanted to add, however, that you still may not see any volumes being created in your dirdiskpool because unless they have extended ACLs or exceptionally long path names, directory objects are stored exclusively in the TSM database. I believe there have been previous threads discussing at what point directory object data starts spilling over into the storage pools. At 08:19 AM 4/30/02 -0400, you wrote: Jim, if I'm reading everyhing right your option override should read: dirmc dirmc dirmc is the option you're setting and you want to point it to management class dirmc Jim Kirkman [EMAIL PROTECTED]@VM.MARIST.EDU on 04/29/2002 03:36:32 PM Please respond to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject: dirmc question I want to implement the dirmc scheme. I've created a disk pool (and have read all about the seq pool with device=file) dirdiskpool, a management class dirmc with a backup copy group pointing to the dirdiskpool, a client option dirmc that is part of a client option set called, you got it, dirmc. I've associated some clients with said option set but I've no evidence of folders in the disk pool. I'm wondering if I've got the option set correctly, although the query looks good Optionset: DIRMC Option: DIRMC Sequence number: 0 Override: No Option Value: dirmc any help appreciated -- Jim Kirkman AIS - Systems UNC-Chapel Hill 966-5884 Scott McCambly AIX/NetView/ADSM Specialist - Unopsys Inc. Ottawa, Ontario, Canada (613)799-9269 -- Jim Kirkman AIS - Systems UNC-Chapel Hill 966-5884
dirmc question
I want to implement the dirmc scheme. I've created a disk pool (and have read all about the seq pool with device=file) dirdiskpool, a management class dirmc with a backup copy group pointing to the dirdiskpool, a client option dirmc that is part of a client option set called, you got it, dirmc. I've associated some clients with said option set but I've no evidence of folders in the disk pool. I'm wondering if I've got the option set correctly, although the query looks good Optionset: DIRMC Option: DIRMC Sequence number: 0 Override: No Option Value: dirmc any help appreciated -- Jim Kirkman AIS - Systems UNC-Chapel Hill 966-5884
Re: DIRMC Question
I have a question concerning *SM directories. Back in the early days of TSM we used the DIRMC option to put directories to disk rather that tape to avoid "thrashing" issues on the tape devices. We are now running TSM 3.7.3 on OS/390 and I believe that the issue of having directories on tape has been addressed. My questions is this: How do I get the directories that currently reside in my disk storage pool back to tape? Brian - You don't want the directories on tape: you are much better off with them on disk (assuming that your client file system types are such that the directory info *does* get stored in a storage pool, rather than simply in the TSM db). The issue of having directories on tape has been addressed by Restore Order; but that's an optimizing solution for an all-tape situation, not the best solution. In the absence of DIRMc, the directories for file systems such as NTFS (but not ordinary Unix file systems) will be written to the management class with the longest retention period - which may mean that your directories are not with your data. Restore Order processing will create surrogate directories until the actual directory information is finally encountered on tape, whereupon the file system directories have to be adjusted. This can mean more mounts, and certainly a bunch of seek time. All this slows your restoral. Having the directories in a disk storage pool obviously eliminates a lot of restoral overhead, and is to be preferred. This is summarized in ADSM.QuickFacts, for continuing reference. Richard Sims, BU
DIRMC Question
Hello everyone. I have a question concerning *SM directories. Back in the early days of TSM we used the DIRMC option to put directories to disk rather that tape to avoid "thrashing" issues on the tape devices. We are now running TSM 3.7.3 on OS/390 and I believe that the issue of having directories on tape has been addressed. My questions is this: How do I get the directories that currently reside in my disk storage pool back to tape? I would think that if I did a move data this should effectively move the directories to the specific pool that I point to in the move data command, and since that pool is collocated then my directories would be on a specific set of tape for each client. Has anyone had the opportunity to do this? Any help that anyone can provide would be appreciated. Thanks, Brian Brian L. Nick System Programmer - Storage Solutions Phoenix Home Life Mutual Ins. 100 Bright Meadow Blvd Enfield CT. 06082-1900 E-MAIL: [EMAIL PROTECTED] PHONE: (860)403-2281
DIRMC question
This may seem like a dumb question but I've got to ask it anyway. I'm trying to decide if I need to perform "archives" of some data on certain computers. Some contracts require us to keep data up to 7 years. Unfortunately the amount of data we've got makes it almost impossible to archive even once a month. So here is the question: If I use the include option for those specific directories where the data is, can I bind it to a management class that has a 7 year retention period? If the file is deleted on the client will it is in the ADSM database for 7 years as long as I specify retonly 2555? Would this setup do the trick Versions Data Exists 3 Versions Data Deleted1 Retain Extra Versions60 Retain Only Version 2555 Has anyone verified, on a smaller scale probably, that this works well? Geoff Gill NT Systems Support Engineer Computer Systems Group E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone: (858) 826-4062 Pager: (888) 997-9614
