Re: NAS Backup
The max scratch volumes allowed is 1000 but only 362 are used. I don't have any with the status of empty. Eric -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU] On Behalf Of Nick Marouf Sent: Monday, May 18, 2015 1:57 PM To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] NAS Backup Hi Eric, Does the storage pool have a limit to the number of scratch tapes available? Or do you have to manually define tapes to that pool? q stg pool_name f=d Maximum Scratch Volumes Allowed: 2,000 Number of Scratch Volumes Used: 1,160 If you manually define tapes to the storage pool, try this query below. Does it return any available tapes in the pool? q v * stg=pool_name status=Empty On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 12:46 PM, McWilliams, Eric emcwilli...@medsynergies.com wrote: How does the NAS backup determine if there is enough space to back up the data to? I'm currently backing up an EMC Isilon directly to tape (I know, I know, you don't have to tell me!) and am getting an error that there is not enough space in the storage pool. ANR1072E NAS Backup to TSM Storage process 8 terminated - insufficient space in destination storage pool. (SESSION: 5226, PROCESS: 8) I'm only backing up around 9TB so there should be more than enough space in the tape library. This has worked well up until last week. Thanks Eric ** *** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE *** This message and any included attachments are from MedSynergies, Inc. and are intended only for the addressee. The contents of this message contain confidential information belonging to the sender that is legally protected. Unauthorized forwarding, printing, copying, distribution, or use of such information is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you are not the addressee, please promptly delete this message and notify the sender of the delivery error by e-mail or contact MedSynergies, Inc. at postmas...@medsynergies.com. ** *** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE *** This message and any included attachments are from MedSynergies, Inc. and are intended only for the addressee. The contents of this message contain confidential information belonging to the sender that is legally protected. Unauthorized forwarding, printing, copying, distribution, or use of such information is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you are not the addressee, please promptly delete this message and notify the sender of the delivery error by e-mail or contact MedSynergies, Inc. at postmas...@medsynergies.com.
Re: NAS Backup
Check the access state of the storage pool and make sure it is READW. I get this error when I forget and leave them in a reado state. -Original Message- From: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU [mailto:ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU] Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2015 10:00 AM To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] NAS Backup The max scratch volumes allowed is 1000 but only 362 are used. I don't have any with the status of empty. Eric -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU] On Behalf Of Nick Marouf Sent: Monday, May 18, 2015 1:57 PM To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] NAS Backup Hi Eric, Does the storage pool have a limit to the number of scratch tapes available? Or do you have to manually define tapes to that pool? q stg pool_name f=d Maximum Scratch Volumes Allowed: 2,000 Number of Scratch Volumes Used: 1,160 If you manually define tapes to the storage pool, try this query below. Does it return any available tapes in the pool? q v * stg=pool_name status=Empty On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 12:46 PM, McWilliams, Eric emcwilli...@medsynergies.com wrote: How does the NAS backup determine if there is enough space to back up the data to? I'm currently backing up an EMC Isilon directly to tape (I know, I know, you don't have to tell me!) and am getting an error that there is not enough space in the storage pool. ANR1072E NAS Backup to TSM Storage process 8 terminated - insufficient space in destination storage pool. (SESSION: 5226, PROCESS: 8) I'm only backing up around 9TB so there should be more than enough space in the tape library. This has worked well up until last week. Thanks Eric ** *** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE *** This message and any included attachments are from MedSynergies, Inc. and are intended only for the addressee. The contents of this message contain confidential information belonging to the sender that is legally protected. Unauthorized forwarding, printing, copying, distribution, or use of such information is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you are not the addressee, please promptly delete this message and notify the sender of the delivery error by e-mail or contact MedSynergies, Inc. at postmas...@medsynergies.com. ** *** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE *** This message and any included attachments are from MedSynergies, Inc. and are intended only for the addressee. The contents of this message contain confidential information belonging to the sender that is legally protected. Unauthorized forwarding, printing, copying, distribution, or use of such information is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you are not the addressee, please promptly delete this message and notify the sender of the delivery error by e-mail or contact MedSynergies, Inc. at postmas...@medsynergies.com. This message and any attachments (the message) is intended solely for the addressees and is confidential. If you receive this message in error, please delete it and immediately notify the sender. Any use not in accord with its purpose, any dissemination or disclosure, either whole or partial, is prohibited except formal approval. The internet can not guarantee the integrity of this message. BNP PARIBAS (and its subsidiaries) shall (will) not therefore be liable for the message if modified. Please note that certain functions and services for BNP Paribas may be performed by BNP Paribas RCC, Inc. Unless otherwise provided above, this message was sent by BNP Paribas, or one of its affiliates in Canada, having an office at 1981 McGill College Avenue, Montreal, QC, H3A 2W8, Canada. To the extent this message is being sent from or to Canada, you may unsubscribe from receiving commercial electronic messages by using this link: www.bnpparibas.ca/en/unsubscribe/ http://www.bnpparibas.ca/en/unsubscribe/. See www.bnpparibas.ca http://www.bnpparibas.ca for more information on BNP Paribas, in Canada.
Re: NAS Backup
Hi Eric, Does the storage pool have a limit to the number of scratch tapes available? Or do you have to manually define tapes to that pool? q stg pool_name f=d Maximum Scratch Volumes Allowed: 2,000 Number of Scratch Volumes Used: 1,160 If you manually define tapes to the storage pool, try this query below. Does it return any available tapes in the pool? q v * stg=pool_name status=Empty On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 12:46 PM, McWilliams, Eric emcwilli...@medsynergies.com wrote: How does the NAS backup determine if there is enough space to back up the data to? I'm currently backing up an EMC Isilon directly to tape (I know, I know, you don't have to tell me!) and am getting an error that there is not enough space in the storage pool. ANR1072E NAS Backup to TSM Storage process 8 terminated - insufficient space in destination storage pool. (SESSION: 5226, PROCESS: 8) I'm only backing up around 9TB so there should be more than enough space in the tape library. This has worked well up until last week. Thanks Eric ** *** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE *** This message and any included attachments are from MedSynergies, Inc. and are intended only for the addressee. The contents of this message contain confidential information belonging to the sender that is legally protected. Unauthorized forwarding, printing, copying, distribution, or use of such information is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you are not the addressee, please promptly delete this message and notify the sender of the delivery error by e-mail or contact MedSynergies, Inc. at postmas...@medsynergies.com.
NAS Backup
How does the NAS backup determine if there is enough space to back up the data to? I'm currently backing up an EMC Isilon directly to tape (I know, I know, you don't have to tell me!) and am getting an error that there is not enough space in the storage pool. ANR1072E NAS Backup to TSM Storage process 8 terminated - insufficient space in destination storage pool. (SESSION: 5226, PROCESS: 8) I'm only backing up around 9TB so there should be more than enough space in the tape library. This has worked well up until last week. Thanks Eric ** *** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE *** This message and any included attachments are from MedSynergies, Inc. and are intended only for the addressee. The contents of this message contain confidential information belonging to the sender that is legally protected. Unauthorized forwarding, printing, copying, distribution, or use of such information is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you are not the addressee, please promptly delete this message and notify the sender of the delivery error by e-mail or contact MedSynergies, Inc. at postmas...@medsynergies.com.
Re: NAS Backup
Eric, When a NAS/NDMP backup start, there is a query from the datamover to the TSM Server requesting space for the backup. It doesn't matter if you are doing full's or incremental, the datamover uses that same storage requirement for both. example: you have 100TB of NAS used space total. To do a full would require 100TB + 10% of space available on the TSM server. That's pretty straight forward. The muddy area is when you are attempting to perform incremental backups. When requesting space, the space that is requested is equal to the total space used, which would be 100TB + 10%, this happens even though an incremental will take place. This can cause incremental backups to be mixed with Full backup storage. Best Regards, _ email: ron.delaw...@us.ibm.com From: McWilliams, Eric emcwilli...@medsynergies.com To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Date: 05/18/15 11:48 Subject:[ADSM-L] NAS Backup Sent by:ADSM: Dist Stor Manager ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU How does the NAS backup determine if there is enough space to back up the data to? I'm currently backing up an EMC Isilon directly to tape (I know, I know, you don't have to tell me!) and am getting an error that there is not enough space in the storage pool. ANR1072E NAS Backup to TSM Storage process 8 terminated - insufficient space in destination storage pool. (SESSION: 5226, PROCESS: 8) I'm only backing up around 9TB so there should be more than enough space in the tape library. This has worked well up until last week. Thanks Eric ** *** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE *** This message and any included attachments are from MedSynergies, Inc. and are intended only for the addressee. The contents of this message contain confidential information belonging to the sender that is legally protected. Unauthorized forwarding, printing, copying, distribution, or use of such information is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you are not the addressee, please promptly delete this message and notify the sender of the delivery error by e-mail or contact MedSynergies, Inc. at postmas...@medsynergies.com.
NAS Backup Summary: Help!
Hello Everyone!
I am trying to create a select statement that will summarize NAS backups,
but when I run this command I get the following output. Is there a way to
find out what filesystem it had backed up? That is the last piece of what
I need for this report and I can't figure out how where that info. would
come from. Thank you in advance for your help!
select entity as Admin Task,date(start_time) as Date,time(start_time)
as Start,time(end_time) as End,cast(substr(cast(end_time-start_time as
char(20)),3,8) as char(8)) as Duration, schedule_name as
Schedule,examined as Examined,affected,failed,cast(bytes/1024/1024 as
decimal(6,0)) as MB,successful from summary where
start_time=current_timestamp - 24 hours and activity not in ('ARCHIVE')
and activity='NAS Backup' order by entity
Admin Task: NAS_SERVER_2
Date: 2005-04-20
Start: 19:00:17
End: 19:01:53
Duration: 00:01:36
Schedule:
Examined: 0
AFFECTED: 0
FAILED: 0
MB: 42
SUCCESSFUL: YES
Admin Task: NAS_SERVER_2
Date: 2005-04-20
Start: 19:03:11
End: 19:06:05
Duration: 00:02:54
Schedule:
Examined: 0
AFFECTED: 0
FAILED: 0
MB: 0
SUCCESSFUL: YES
Admin Task: NAS_SERVER_2
Date: 2005-04-20
Start: 19:06:06
End: 19:09:07
Duration: 00:03:01
Schedule:
Examined: 0
AFFECTED: 0
FAILED: 0
MB: 37
SUCCESSFUL: YES
Admin Task: NAS_SERVER_2
Date: 2005-04-20
Start: 19:09:07
End: 19:12:01
Duration: 00:02:54
Schedule:
Examined: 0
AFFECTED: 0
FAILED: 0
MB: 38
SUCCESSFUL: YES
Admin Task: NAS_SERVER_2
Date: 2005-04-20
Start: 19:12:01
End: 19:14:48
Duration: 00:02:47
Schedule:
Examined: 0
AFFECTED: 0
FAILED: 0
MB: 0
SUCCESSFUL: YES
Admin Task: NAS_SERVER_2
Date: 2005-04-20
Start: 19:14:48
End: 19:17:35
Duration: 00:02:47
Schedule:
Examined: 0
AFFECTED: 0
FAILED: 0
MB: 0
SUCCESSFUL: YES
Admin Task: NAS_SERVER_2
Date: 2005-04-20
Start: 19:17:35
End: 19:20:30
Duration: 00:02:55
Schedule:
Examined: 0
AFFECTED: 0
FAILED: 0
MB: 0
SUCCESSFUL: YES
Joni Moyer
Highmark
Storage Systems
Work:(717)302-6603
Fax:(717)302-5974
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: NAS Backup Summary: Help!
I believe you will need to check the actlog and relate the Process number to
the summary column NUMBER.
ANR1064I Differential backup of NAS node ANODE, file system /filesystem1,
started as process 1615 by administrator ANADMIN.
From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager on behalf of Joni Moyer
Sent: Thu 4/21/2005 3:18 PM
To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU
Subject: NAS Backup Summary: Help!
Hello Everyone!
I am trying to create a select statement that will summarize NAS backups,
but when I run this command I get the following output. Is there a way to
find out what filesystem it had backed up? That is the last piece of what
I need for this report and I can't figure out how where that info. would
come from. Thank you in advance for your help!
select entity as Admin Task,date(start_time) as Date,time(start_time)
as Start,time(end_time) as End,cast(substr(cast(end_time-start_time as
char(20)),3,8) as char(8)) as Duration, schedule_name as
Schedule,examined as Examined,affected,failed,cast(bytes/1024/1024 as
decimal(6,0)) as MB,successful from summary where
start_time=current_timestamp - 24 hours and activity not in ('ARCHIVE')
and activity='NAS Backup' order by entity
Admin Task: NAS_SERVER_2
Date: 2005-04-20
Start: 19:00:17
End: 19:01:53
Duration: 00:01:36
Schedule:
Examined: 0
AFFECTED: 0
FAILED: 0
MB: 42
SUCCESSFUL: YES
Admin Task: NAS_SERVER_2
Date: 2005-04-20
Start: 19:03:11
End: 19:06:05
Duration: 00:02:54
Schedule:
Examined: 0
AFFECTED: 0
FAILED: 0
MB: 0
SUCCESSFUL: YES
Admin Task: NAS_SERVER_2
Date: 2005-04-20
Start: 19:06:06
End: 19:09:07
Duration: 00:03:01
Schedule:
Examined: 0
AFFECTED: 0
FAILED: 0
MB: 37
SUCCESSFUL: YES
Admin Task: NAS_SERVER_2
Date: 2005-04-20
Start: 19:09:07
End: 19:12:01
Duration: 00:02:54
Schedule:
Examined: 0
AFFECTED: 0
FAILED: 0
MB: 38
SUCCESSFUL: YES
Admin Task: NAS_SERVER_2
Date: 2005-04-20
Start: 19:12:01
End: 19:14:48
Duration: 00:02:47
Schedule:
Examined: 0
AFFECTED: 0
FAILED: 0
MB: 0
SUCCESSFUL: YES
Admin Task: NAS_SERVER_2
Date: 2005-04-20
Start: 19:14:48
End: 19:17:35
Duration: 00:02:47
Schedule:
Examined: 0
AFFECTED: 0
FAILED: 0
MB: 0
SUCCESSFUL: YES
Admin Task: NAS_SERVER_2
Date: 2005-04-20
Start: 19:17:35
End: 19:20:30
Duration: 00:02:55
Schedule:
Examined: 0
AFFECTED: 0
FAILED: 0
MB: 0
SUCCESSFUL: YES
Joni Moyer
Highmark
Storage Systems
Work:(717)302-6603
Fax:(717)302-5974
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: NAS Backup Summary: Help!
Quoting Joni Moyer [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hello Everyone! I am trying to create a select statement that will summarize NAS backups, but when I run this command I get the following output. Is there a way to find out what filesystem it had backed up? That is the last piece of what I need for this report and I can't figure out how where that info. would come from. Thank you in advance for your help! ... The Summary stats are just like what is found at the end of a backups log or the dsmaccnt data: it's a composite number of all the filespaces involved in the task, and so does not attempt to identify them. An approach may be to use the timestamp from the Summary table to seek a reasonable match in the Filespaces table, per its BACKUP_START and BACKUP_END times, based upon your familiarity with your processing environment. Richard Sims
Re: NAS backup
Dave, you are correct, it is a regular, unmodified Windows client. It is my understanding that the client that ships with the box has been certified by the NAS development team to work with that box, and therefore, other client versions are not supported on that box. However, I would recommend that customers check with IBM NAS support for definitive information. Regards, Andy Andy Raibeck IBM Software Group Tivoli Storage Manager Client Development Internal Notes e-mail: Andrew Raibeck/Tucson/IBM@IBMUS Internet e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (change eye to i to reply) The only dumb question is the one that goes unasked. The command line is your friend. Good enough is the enemy of excellence. Dave Cannon/Tucson/IBM@IBMUS Sent by: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED] 09/11/2002 14:46 Please respond to ADSM: Dist Stor Manager To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:Re: NAS backup The 300G solution is not NDMP-based, but is a TSM Windows client running in the NAS box (hence, there should be no need for the TSM client to access the NAS file system using CIFS/NFS). I assume that this is a standard Windows client with no storage agent (i.e, support for IP but not FC), but I don't know that for sure. Dave Cannon Tivoli Storage Manager Development Tivoli Storage Products, IBM Software Group [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Forwarded by Dave Cannon/Tucson/IBM on 09/11/2002 02:32 PM - John Bremer [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Dave Cannon/Tucson/IBM@IBMUS 09/11/2002 01:57 Subject: Re: NAS backup PM Dave, On this subject, would you explain briefly the TSM backup solution that can be ordered with the IBM NAS (300G) product line? It is my understanding that it is also not an NDMP solution, however a special (?) integrated client that is shipped with the product. Is the IBM NAS client no different than our TSM Windows NT/XP/2K version, and works over IP and FC networks? Thanks. Regards, John At 01:23 PM 9/11/02 -0700, Dave Cannon wrote: TSM currently does not support NDMP backup/recovery of EMC Clariion. The solution described in the referenced white paper does not involve use of NDMP. Instead, this solution involves using a TSM client to access files on the Clariion, which are backed up LAN-free to volumes in the TSM stoage hierarchy. In contrast to TSM's NDMP support, this method provides file-level backups, requires data transfer over a SAN, and may not necessarily preserve file attributes. Dave Cannon Tivoli Storage Manager Development Tivoli Storage Products, IBM Software Group [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Date:Mon, 9 Sep 2002 11:34:08 -0400 From:Jin Bae Chi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: NAS backup Dave, Thanks for your information. I was curious about EMC NAS products and found what they say about their EMC Clariion FC4700 backup support with TSM. Could you help me to understand what EMC says about backup or shouldn't I trust them at all? Thanks again. Here is the link: http://www.emc.com/pdf/products/clariion/h711_tivoli_san.pdf Jin Bae Chi (Gus) System Admin/Tivoli Data Center 614-287-2496/5922 614-287-5488 Fax [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: NAS backup
TSM currently does not support NDMP backup/recovery of EMC Clariion. The solution described in the referenced white paper does not involve use of NDMP. Instead, this solution involves using a TSM client to access files on the Clariion, which are backed up LAN-free to volumes in the TSM stoage hierarchy. In contrast to TSM's NDMP support, this method provides file-level backups, requires data transfer over a SAN, and may not necessarily preserve file attributes. Dave Cannon Tivoli Storage Manager Development Tivoli Storage Products, IBM Software Group [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Date:Mon, 9 Sep 2002 11:34:08 -0400 From:Jin Bae Chi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: NAS backup Dave, Thanks for your information. I was curious about EMC NAS products and found what they say about their EMC Clariion FC4700 backup support with TSM. Could you help me to understand what EMC says about backup or shouldn't I trust them at all? Thanks again. Here is the link: http://www.emc.com/pdf/products/clariion/h711_tivoli_san.pdf Jin Bae Chi (Gus) System Admin/Tivoli Data Center 614-287-2496/5922 614-287-5488 Fax [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: NAS backup
Dave, On this subject, would you explain briefly the TSM backup solution that can be ordered with the IBM NAS (300G) product line? It is my understanding that it is also not an NDMP solution, however a special (?) integrated client that is shipped with the product. Is the IBM NAS client no different than our TSM Windows NT/XP/2K version, and works over IP and FC networks? Thanks. Regards, John At 01:23 PM 9/11/02 -0700, Dave Cannon wrote: TSM currently does not support NDMP backup/recovery of EMC Clariion. The solution described in the referenced white paper does not involve use of NDMP. Instead, this solution involves using a TSM client to access files on the Clariion, which are backed up LAN-free to volumes in the TSM stoage hierarchy. In contrast to TSM's NDMP support, this method provides file-level backups, requires data transfer over a SAN, and may not necessarily preserve file attributes. Dave Cannon Tivoli Storage Manager Development Tivoli Storage Products, IBM Software Group [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Date:Mon, 9 Sep 2002 11:34:08 -0400 From:Jin Bae Chi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: NAS backup Dave, Thanks for your information. I was curious about EMC NAS products and found what they say about their EMC Clariion FC4700 backup support with TSM. Could you help me to understand what EMC says about backup or shouldn't I trust them at all? Thanks again. Here is the link: http://www.emc.com/pdf/products/clariion/h711_tivoli_san.pdf Jin Bae Chi (Gus) System Admin/Tivoli Data Center 614-287-2496/5922 614-287-5488 Fax [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: NAS backup
The 300G solution is not NDMP-based, but is a TSM Windows client running in the NAS box (hence, there should be no need for the TSM client to access the NAS file system using CIFS/NFS). I assume that this is a standard Windows client with no storage agent (i.e, support for IP but not FC), but I don't know that for sure. Dave Cannon Tivoli Storage Manager Development Tivoli Storage Products, IBM Software Group [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Forwarded by Dave Cannon/Tucson/IBM on 09/11/2002 02:32 PM - John Bremer [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Dave Cannon/Tucson/IBM@IBMUS 09/11/2002 01:57 Subject: Re: NAS backup PM Dave, On this subject, would you explain briefly the TSM backup solution that can be ordered with the IBM NAS (300G) product line? It is my understanding that it is also not an NDMP solution, however a special (?) integrated client that is shipped with the product. Is the IBM NAS client no different than our TSM Windows NT/XP/2K version, and works over IP and FC networks? Thanks. Regards, John At 01:23 PM 9/11/02 -0700, Dave Cannon wrote: TSM currently does not support NDMP backup/recovery of EMC Clariion. The solution described in the referenced white paper does not involve use of NDMP. Instead, this solution involves using a TSM client to access files on the Clariion, which are backed up LAN-free to volumes in the TSM stoage hierarchy. In contrast to TSM's NDMP support, this method provides file-level backups, requires data transfer over a SAN, and may not necessarily preserve file attributes. Dave Cannon Tivoli Storage Manager Development Tivoli Storage Products, IBM Software Group [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Date:Mon, 9 Sep 2002 11:34:08 -0400 From:Jin Bae Chi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: NAS backup Dave, Thanks for your information. I was curious about EMC NAS products and found what they say about their EMC Clariion FC4700 backup support with TSM. Could you help me to understand what EMC says about backup or shouldn't I trust them at all? Thanks again. Here is the link: http://www.emc.com/pdf/products/clariion/h711_tivoli_san.pdf Jin Bae Chi (Gus) System Admin/Tivoli Data Center 614-287-2496/5922 614-287-5488 Fax [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: NAS backup
Dave, Thanks for your information. I was curious about EMC NAS products and found what they say about their EMC Clariion FC4700 backup support with TSM. Could you help me to understand what EMC says about backup or shouldn't I trust them at all? Thanks again. Here is the link: http://www.emc.com/pdf/products/clariion/h711_tivoli_san.pdf Jin Bae Chi (Gus) System Admin/Tivoli Data Center 614-287-2496/5922 614-287-5488 Fax [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 09/06/02 19:55 PM The NDMP specification contains a lot of latitude which means that TSM's NDMP code must be customized and tested for the NDMP implementation of each supported NAS vendor. Currently, TSM only supports NDMP backup of Network Appliance devices, although we plan to expand that support in the future. The following link provides further information on the NDMP support in TSM. http://www.tivoli.com/support/storage_mgr/tdp_ndmp.html From previous posts, it appears that the TSM support organization may have provided incorrect information on this subject. I apologize for any inconvenience this may have caused, and will advise the support team that TSM does not work with all NDMP-compliant NAS devices. Dave Cannon Tivoli Storage Manager Development Tivoli Storage Products, IBM Software Group [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Date:Thu, 5 Sep 2002 15:52:38 -0400 From:Jin Bae Chi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: NAS backup Thanks, folks. TSM just confirmed that any NAS with NDMP will be able to use TDP for NDMP as Jack said. I guess Tivoli makes us spend more $$! I wonder who should administer this NAS box after configured with TSM with library. Any expertise about whose responsibilty it would be? Thanks for help. Jin Bae Chi (Gus) System Admin/Tivoli Data Center 614-287-2496/5922 614-287-5488 Fax [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 09/05/02 12:57 PM I think it is for all NDMP compatible filers. Yes NetApp was a big driver in the development of the standard, but I think it is supposed to be 'standard' :) -Original Message- From: Joshua Bassi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 5:44 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: NAS backup I thought the NAS agent was only for NetApp filers. Other NAS boxes will have to backup either through CIFS or NFS. -- Joshua S. Bassi IBM Certified - AIX 4/5L, SAN, Shark Tivoli Certified Consultant - ADSM/TSM eServer Systems Expert -pSeries HACMP AIX, HACMP, Storage, TSM Consultant Cell (831) 595-3962 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Jin Bae Chi Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 6:03 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: NAS backup Hi, Experts, We are in the middle of redesigning the backup strategy for network servers. We will soon upgrade to TSM 5.1 on AIX 5L, which will enable us to back up NAS device. When I called the support, they say that as long as it talks NDMP and with TDP, there wouldn't be a problem. We have EMC Clariion FC4500 and 4700 as NAS for network servers. Has anyone experienced with NAS backup with this product or similar? I couldn't find any documentation about what NAS products are supported with TSM 5.1. Your comment will help me tremendously!! Thanks a lot!! Regards,
Re: NAS backup
The NDMP specification contains a lot of latitude which means that TSM's NDMP code must be customized and tested for the NDMP implementation of each supported NAS vendor. Currently, TSM only supports NDMP backup of Network Appliance devices, although we plan to expand that support in the future. The following link provides further information on the NDMP support in TSM. http://www.tivoli.com/support/storage_mgr/tdp_ndmp.html From previous posts, it appears that the TSM support organization may have provided incorrect information on this subject. I apologize for any inconvenience this may have caused, and will advise the support team that TSM does not work with all NDMP-compliant NAS devices. Dave Cannon Tivoli Storage Manager Development Tivoli Storage Products, IBM Software Group [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Date:Thu, 5 Sep 2002 15:52:38 -0400 From:Jin Bae Chi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: NAS backup Thanks, folks. TSM just confirmed that any NAS with NDMP will be able to use TDP for NDMP as Jack said. I guess Tivoli makes us spend more $$! I wonder who should administer this NAS box after configured with TSM with library. Any expertise about whose responsibilty it would be? Thanks for help. Jin Bae Chi (Gus) System Admin/Tivoli Data Center 614-287-2496/5922 614-287-5488 Fax [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 09/05/02 12:57 PM I think it is for all NDMP compatible filers. Yes NetApp was a big driver in the development of the standard, but I think it is supposed to be 'standard' :) -Original Message- From: Joshua Bassi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 5:44 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: NAS backup I thought the NAS agent was only for NetApp filers. Other NAS boxes will have to backup either through CIFS or NFS. -- Joshua S. Bassi IBM Certified - AIX 4/5L, SAN, Shark Tivoli Certified Consultant - ADSM/TSM eServer Systems Expert -pSeries HACMP AIX, HACMP, Storage, TSM Consultant Cell (831) 595-3962 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Jin Bae Chi Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 6:03 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: NAS backup Hi, Experts, We are in the middle of redesigning the backup strategy for network servers. We will soon upgrade to TSM 5.1 on AIX 5L, which will enable us to back up NAS device. When I called the support, they say that as long as it talks NDMP and with TDP, there wouldn't be a problem. We have EMC Clariion FC4500 and 4700 as NAS for network servers. Has anyone experienced with NAS backup with this product or similar? I couldn't find any documentation about what NAS products are supported with TSM 5.1. Your comment will help me tremendously!! Thanks a lot!! Regards,
Re: NAS backup
I think it is for all NDMP compatible filers. Yes NetApp was a big driver in the development of the standard, but I think it is supposed to be 'standard' :) -Original Message- From: Joshua Bassi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 5:44 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: NAS backup I thought the NAS agent was only for NetApp filers. Other NAS boxes will have to backup either through CIFS or NFS. -- Joshua S. Bassi IBM Certified - AIX 4/5L, SAN, Shark Tivoli Certified Consultant - ADSM/TSM eServer Systems Expert -pSeries HACMP AIX, HACMP, Storage, TSM Consultant Cell (831) 595-3962 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Jin Bae Chi Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 6:03 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: NAS backup Hi, Experts, We are in the middle of redesigning the backup strategy for network servers. We will soon upgrade to TSM 5.1 on AIX 5L, which will enable us to back up NAS device. When I called the support, they say that as long as it talks NDMP and with TDP, there wouldn't be a problem. We have EMC Clariion FC4500 and 4700 as NAS for network servers. Has anyone experienced with NAS backup with this product or similar? I couldn't find any documentation about what NAS products are supported with TSM 5.1. Your comment will help me tremendously!! Thanks a lot!! Regards, Jin Bae Chi (Gus) System Admin/Tivoli Data Center 614-287-2496/5922 614-287-5488 Fax [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: NAS backup
Thanks, folks. TSM just confirmed that any NAS with NDMP will be able to use TDP for NDMP as Jack said. I guess Tivoli makes us spend more $$! I wonder who should administer this NAS box after configured with TSM with library. Any expertise about whose responsibilty it would be? Thanks for help. Jin Bae Chi (Gus) System Admin/Tivoli Data Center 614-287-2496/5922 614-287-5488 Fax [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 09/05/02 12:57 PM I think it is for all NDMP compatible filers. Yes NetApp was a big driver in the development of the standard, but I think it is supposed to be 'standard' :) -Original Message- From: Joshua Bassi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 5:44 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: NAS backup I thought the NAS agent was only for NetApp filers. Other NAS boxes will have to backup either through CIFS or NFS. -- Joshua S. Bassi IBM Certified - AIX 4/5L, SAN, Shark Tivoli Certified Consultant - ADSM/TSM eServer Systems Expert -pSeries HACMP AIX, HACMP, Storage, TSM Consultant Cell (831) 595-3962 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Jin Bae Chi Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 6:03 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: NAS backup Hi, Experts, We are in the middle of redesigning the backup strategy for network servers. We will soon upgrade to TSM 5.1 on AIX 5L, which will enable us to back up NAS device. When I called the support, they say that as long as it talks NDMP and with TDP, there wouldn't be a problem. We have EMC Clariion FC4500 and 4700 as NAS for network servers. Has anyone experienced with NAS backup with this product or similar? I couldn't find any documentation about what NAS products are supported with TSM 5.1. Your comment will help me tremendously!! Thanks a lot!! Regards, Jin Bae Chi (Gus) System Admin/Tivoli Data Center 614-287-2496/5922 614-287-5488 Fax [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: NAS backup
Say, NDMP is great for what it is good for, but not all tools that look like a screw driver is the correct tool for the job (excuse my analogies :) ... USE CIFS or NFS if it makes sense in your environment! If you have some of the little 'SNAP' file server or such things scattered about. NDMP has to have a tape drive local to the filer, and dedicating a tape drive to a filer may not make sense in your environment. ... I hope this helps someone :) ... enjoy ... Jack -Original Message- From: Jin Bae Chi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 2:53 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: NAS backup Thanks, folks. TSM just confirmed that any NAS with NDMP will be able to use TDP for NDMP as Jack said. I guess Tivoli makes us spend more $$! I wonder who should administer this NAS box after configured with TSM with library. Any expertise about whose responsibilty it would be? Thanks for help. Jin Bae Chi (Gus) System Admin/Tivoli Data Center 614-287-2496/5922 614-287-5488 Fax [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 09/05/02 12:57 PM I think it is for all NDMP compatible filers. Yes NetApp was a big driver in the development of the standard, but I think it is supposed to be 'standard' :) -Original Message- From: Joshua Bassi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 5:44 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: NAS backup I thought the NAS agent was only for NetApp filers. Other NAS boxes will have to backup either through CIFS or NFS. -- Joshua S. Bassi IBM Certified - AIX 4/5L, SAN, Shark Tivoli Certified Consultant - ADSM/TSM eServer Systems Expert -pSeries HACMP AIX, HACMP, Storage, TSM Consultant Cell (831) 595-3962 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Jin Bae Chi Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 6:03 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: NAS backup Hi, Experts, We are in the middle of redesigning the backup strategy for network servers. We will soon upgrade to TSM 5.1 on AIX 5L, which will enable us to back up NAS device. When I called the support, they say that as long as it talks NDMP and with TDP, there wouldn't be a problem. We have EMC Clariion FC4500 and 4700 as NAS for network servers. Has anyone experienced with NAS backup with this product or similar? I couldn't find any documentation about what NAS products are supported with TSM 5.1. Your comment will help me tremendously!! Thanks a lot!! Regards, Jin Bae Chi (Gus) System Admin/Tivoli Data Center 614-287-2496/5922 614-287-5488 Fax [EMAIL PROTECTED]
NAS backup
Hi, Experts, We are in the middle of redesigning the backup strategy for network servers. We will soon upgrade to TSM 5.1 on AIX 5L, which will enable us to back up NAS device. When I called the support, they say that as long as it talks NDMP and with TDP, there wouldn't be a problem. We have EMC Clariion FC4500 and 4700 as NAS for network servers. Has anyone experienced with NAS backup with this product or similar? I couldn't find any documentation about what NAS products are supported with TSM 5.1. Your comment will help me tremendously!! Thanks a lot!! Regards, Jin Bae Chi (Gus) System Admin/Tivoli Data Center 614-287-2496/5922 614-287-5488 Fax [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: NAS backup
I thought the NAS agent was only for NetApp filers. Other NAS boxes will have to backup either through CIFS or NFS. -- Joshua S. Bassi IBM Certified - AIX 4/5L, SAN, Shark Tivoli Certified Consultant - ADSM/TSM eServer Systems Expert -pSeries HACMP AIX, HACMP, Storage, TSM Consultant Cell (831) 595-3962 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Jin Bae Chi Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 6:03 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: NAS backup Hi, Experts, We are in the middle of redesigning the backup strategy for network servers. We will soon upgrade to TSM 5.1 on AIX 5L, which will enable us to back up NAS device. When I called the support, they say that as long as it talks NDMP and with TDP, there wouldn't be a problem. We have EMC Clariion FC4500 and 4700 as NAS for network servers. Has anyone experienced with NAS backup with this product or similar? I couldn't find any documentation about what NAS products are supported with TSM 5.1. Your comment will help me tremendously!! Thanks a lot!! Regards, Jin Bae Chi (Gus) System Admin/Tivoli Data Center 614-287-2496/5922 614-287-5488 Fax [EMAIL PROTECTED]
NAS backup
Hi all, I'm getting back again with a performance problem !! TSMServer 4.2.1 WIN2k TSM client 4.2.1 WIN2k- NAS system I want to perform a backup of the NAS on a DLT8000 tape. I am having performance problems ... I tried a backup of a sample of 300M. Using windows backup utility it takes 1 min to complete and by using TSM it takes 9 min!!! This backup has been performed locally Also , I tried using first the driver of the DLT8000 tape as detected by TSM but still I was getting a poor backup performance so I configured TSM to use the native device driver . Same result . Can you offer any advice? oh and I have another question. I read that TSM server can be installed on the NAS only to backup locally the NAS. Is that correct? and can I have the tape linked to the NAS and the server on another box? hope you can help me on this regards, Sandra __ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com
TSM on MVS and Filer NAS Backup
Hello, we are looking for someone who has already gathered experiences with this or a similar combination. How do you do your backup? Number of (pc-) agents, schedules... Whats your throughput? to tape / storagepool Whats your network environment, which type of filer? How long do you think you need to recover? What else you should think about. Thank to all for your input Stefan Holzwarth -- Stefan Holzwarth ADAC e.V. (Rechenzentrum, Produktionsplanung und Organisation) Am Westpark 8, 81373 München Tel.: (089) 7676-5212, Fax: (089) 76768924 -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 4.0 GCM/S d- s+: a C+(++) ULA++ P+++ L+(++) E--- W+++ N++ o-- K? w+(++) O+ M V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP-+ t+ 5+ !X R tv b !DI D G e+++ h--- r z? ---END GEEK CODE BLOCK-
