Re: NDMP backups Restore

2016-09-06 Thread Huebner, Andy 
I believe that (ufsdump) is referring to the target and the format the data 
will be sent in.  Not the source.

In the olden days when I had a Celerra and used NDMP, the full dump started at 
block 1 and proceeded to the last block, files and other structures were not 
considered.  The Celerra supported file level de-duplication and file 
compression.  This means that some of the blocks were compressed and some had 
more than 1 pointer.  To restore to a different NAS system would require either 
TSM to translate that to the new system or the new system to understand the 
Celerra file system.  All NAS systems have unique ways of doing the same 
things, that is why they are all better than the others.

Andy Huebner
SME - Storage and Backups GDC - Fort Worth

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From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU] On Behalf Of Shawn 
DREW
Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2016 2:50 PM
To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU
Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] NDMP backups Restore

This is a long way from TSM allowing you to restore a backup from a "NetApp 
Dump" storage pool to a non-Netapp appliance.
I am skeptical but haven't tried it myself.



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Rhodes, Richard L.
Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2016 11:46 AM
To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU
Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] NDMP backups Restore

I found this comment from NetApp:

>Dump Format:
>Before we begin, it is important to realize that NetApp dump (whether 
>initiated using NDMP or using the filer console) adheres to the ufsdump 
>(Solaris dump) format.

So it sounds line the NetApp data format is Solaris dump format.


Rick

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Re: NDMP backups Restore

2016-09-06 Thread Shawn DREW 
This is a long way from TSM allowing you to restore a backup from a "NetApp 
Dump" storage pool to a non-Netapp appliance.
I am skeptical but haven't tried it myself.



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From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU] On Behalf Of 
Rhodes, Richard L.
Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2016 11:46 AM
To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU
Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] NDMP backups Restore

I found this comment from NetApp:

>Dump Format:
>Before we begin, it is important to realize that NetApp dump 
>(whether initiated using NDMP or using the filer console) adheres to 
>the ufsdump (Solaris dump) format. 

So it sounds line the NetApp data format is Solaris dump format.


Rick

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Re: NDMP backups Restore

2016-09-06 Thread Rhodes, Richard L. 
I found this comment from NetApp:

>Dump Format:
>Before we begin, it is important to realize that NetApp dump 
>(whether initiated using NDMP or using the filer console) adheres to 
>the ufsdump (Solaris dump) format. 

So it sounds line the NetApp data format is Solaris dump format.


Rick



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Thompson
Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2016 11:28 AM
To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU
Subject: *EXTERNAL* Re: NDMP backups Restore

Yep, this is correct. It is one of the reasons I have avoided NDMP backups
in favor of NFS/CIFS backups.

On Tue, Sep 06, 2016 at 03:23:58PM +, Huebner, Andy wrote:
> My understanding is NDMP is a standard for the transport of data, not the 
> format of the data.  I would not expect an NDMP backup from one vendor to 
> work on the next vendor.
>
> As an example: NetApp supports compression and does not decompress for the 
> backup.  They next system would have to understand NetApp compression.
>
> Andy Huebner
> SME - Storage and Backups GDC - Fort Worth
>
> -Original Message-
> From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU] On Behalf Of 
> Remco Post
> Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2016 2:47 AM
> To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU
> Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] NDMP backups Restore
>
> > On 05 Sep 2016, at 14:55, Nick Marouf <mar...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hello ADSM,
> >
> > We are currently migrating away from Netapps, (NDMP to tape) to a new
> > store subsystem ( Infinidat)
> >
> > My belief is that since NDMP is a common protocol, we should be able
> > to restore those via TSM to volumes on to the Infinidats or any other
> > alternate storage destination.
> >
>
> I think you find that ???computer says no???. I???m guessing that your 
> current NDMP dumps are in NetApp format, so you can possibly restore those to 
> every NetApp you wish, but nothing else.
>
> > Does anyone have any experience or tips? I feel that I'm only
> > scratching the surface with this topics.
> >
> >
> > Thank you
> > -Nick
> >
> >
> >
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>
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Re: NDMP backups Restore

2016-09-06 Thread Skylar Thompson 
Yep, this is correct. It is one of the reasons I have avoided NDMP backups
in favor of NFS/CIFS backups.

On Tue, Sep 06, 2016 at 03:23:58PM +, Huebner, Andy wrote:
> My understanding is NDMP is a standard for the transport of data, not the 
> format of the data.  I would not expect an NDMP backup from one vendor to 
> work on the next vendor.
>
> As an example: NetApp supports compression and does not decompress for the 
> backup.  They next system would have to understand NetApp compression.
>
> Andy Huebner
> SME - Storage and Backups GDC - Fort Worth
>
> -Original Message-
> From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU] On Behalf Of 
> Remco Post
> Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2016 2:47 AM
> To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU
> Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] NDMP backups Restore
>
> > On 05 Sep 2016, at 14:55, Nick Marouf <mar...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hello ADSM,
> >
> > We are currently migrating away from Netapps, (NDMP to tape) to a new
> > store subsystem ( Infinidat)
> >
> > My belief is that since NDMP is a common protocol, we should be able
> > to restore those via TSM to volumes on to the Infinidats or any other
> > alternate storage destination.
> >
>
> I think you find that ???computer says no???. I???m guessing that your 
> current NDMP dumps are in NetApp format, so you can possibly restore those to 
> every NetApp you wish, but nothing else.
>
> > Does anyone have any experience or tips? I feel that I'm only
> > scratching the surface with this topics.
> >
> >
> > Thank you
> > -Nick
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > PGP PUBLIC KEY
> >
> > https://keybase.io/marouf/key.asc
>
> --
>
>  Met vriendelijke groeten/Kind Regards,
>
> Remco Post
> r.p...@plcs.nl
> +31 6 248 21 622

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Re: NDMP backups Restore

2016-09-06 Thread Huebner, Andy 
My understanding is NDMP is a standard for the transport of data, not the 
format of the data.  I would not expect an NDMP backup from one vendor to work 
on the next vendor.  

As an example: NetApp supports compression and does not decompress for the 
backup.  They next system would have to understand NetApp compression.

Andy Huebner
SME - Storage and Backups GDC - Fort Worth

-Original Message-
From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU] On Behalf Of Remco 
Post
Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2016 2:47 AM
To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU
Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] NDMP backups Restore

> On 05 Sep 2016, at 14:55, Nick Marouf <mar...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hello ADSM,
> 
> We are currently migrating away from Netapps, (NDMP to tape) to a new 
> store subsystem ( Infinidat)
> 
> My belief is that since NDMP is a common protocol, we should be able 
> to restore those via TSM to volumes on to the Infinidats or any other 
> alternate storage destination.
> 

I think you find that ”computer says no”. I’m guessing that your current 
NDMP dumps are in NetApp format, so you can possibly restore those to every 
NetApp you wish, but nothing else.

> Does anyone have any experience or tips? I feel that I'm only 
> scratching the surface with this topics.
> 
> 
> Thank you
> -Nick
> 
> 
> 
> --
> 
> PGP PUBLIC KEY
> 
> https://keybase.io/marouf/key.asc

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 Met vriendelijke groeten/Kind Regards,

Remco Post
r.p...@plcs.nl
+31 6 248 21 622

Re: NDMP backups Restore

2016-09-06 Thread Remco Post 
> On 05 Sep 2016, at 14:55, Nick Marouf  wrote:
> 
> Hello ADSM,
> 
> We are currently migrating away from Netapps, (NDMP to tape) to a new store
> subsystem ( Infinidat)
> 
> My belief is that since NDMP is a common protocol, we should be able to
> restore those via TSM to volumes on to the Infinidats or any other
> alternate storage destination.
> 

I think you find that ”computer says no”. I’m guessing that your current 
NDMP dumps are in NetApp format, so you can possibly restore those to every 
NetApp you wish, but nothing else.

> Does anyone have any experience or tips? I feel that I'm only scratching
> the surface with this topics.
> 
> 
> Thank you
> -Nick
> 
> 
> 
> --
> 
> PGP PUBLIC KEY
> 
> https://keybase.io/marouf/key.asc

-- 

 Met vriendelijke groeten/Kind Regards,

Remco Post
r.p...@plcs.nl
+31 6 248 21 622

NDMP backups Restore

2016-09-05 Thread Nick Marouf 
Hello ADSM,

We are currently migrating away from Netapps, (NDMP to tape) to a new store
subsystem ( Infinidat)

My belief is that since NDMP is a common protocol, we should be able to
restore those via TSM to volumes on to the Infinidats or any other
alternate storage destination.

Does anyone have any experience or tips? I feel that I'm only scratching
the surface with this topics.


Thank you
-Nick



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