Re: Netware - NDS - Restoring NDS in case of extreme loss
I've done Netware NDS restores. Netware 4.11, anyway. It's possible, it can be done, but if you have any NDS replica left on your network anywhere, it's much easier to just promote it to master, let everything synchronize, and then move the master again. Just my opinion, YMMV. -Original Message- From: Remeta, Mark [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 3:55 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Netware - NDS - Restoring NDS in case of extreme loss HAHA! 'Haven't tried a restore yet.' -Original Message- From: David Longo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 4:02 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Netware - NDS - Restoring NDS in case of extreme loss Yes, you can backup the NDS, but it is not backed up by default! Look in manual uder DOMAIN statement, you have to explicitly specify it. Then look at file Ntwback.htm loaded with yoyu Netware client install under ...Tivoli/Tsm/Client directory. If you have objects spread out over several machines, then I would do the NDS backup from the machien with least data/least busy. The backup of NDS walks the tree and gets from all machines. NOTE: License objects cannot be backed up! There is expalnation in documentation. Haven't tried a restore yet. David B. Longo System Administrator Health First, Inc. 3300 Fiske Blvd. Rockledge, FL 32955-4305 PH 321.434.5536 Pager 321.634.8230 Fax:321.434.5525 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/02/02 03:19PM I've been asked by our NDS expert, if TSM backs up the netware hidden directory. Apparently it doesn't as I've watched TSM backup the NDS and it backups the individual NDS objects. Has anyone had to do a complete restore of a netware box, including NDS? Did it work, what steps did you take as the backup/archive manual for netware is lacking this kind of information MMS health-first.org made the following annotations on 05/02/02 16:16:14 -- This message is for the named person's use only. It may contain confidential, proprietary, or legally privileged information. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by any mistransmission. If you receive this message in error, please immediately delete it and all copies of it from your system, destroy any hard copies of it, and notify the sender. You must not, directly or indirectly, use, disclose, distribute, print, or copy any part of this message if you are not the intended recipient. Health First reserves the right to monitor all e-mail communications through its networks. Any views or opinions expressed in this message are solely those of the individual sender, except (1) where the message states such views or opinions are on behalf of a particular entity; and (2) the sender is authorized by the entity to give such views or opinions. == Confidentiality Note: The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to whom or which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you receive this in error, please delete this material immediately.
Re: Netware - NDS - Restoring NDS in case of extreme loss
It's even funnier than that! As I am moving clients over from 3.7.4.0 server to new 4.2.1 server, I am using oppurtunity to fix any problems I hadn't fixed in last year or so. I accidentally stumbled on to the fact that NDS wasn't being backed up. Further checking showed it had been well over 2 years since it had been backed up. Backing it up daily now with a little fine tuning to do. If it ain't backed up, you can't restore it! David Longo [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/02/02 04:55PM HAHA! 'Haven't tried a restore yet.' -Original Message- From: David Longo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 4:02 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Netware - NDS - Restoring NDS in case of extreme loss Yes, you can backup the NDS, but it is not backed up by default! Look in manual uder DOMAIN statement, you have to explicitly specify it. Then look at file Ntwback.htm loaded with yoyu Netware client install under ...Tivoli/Tsm/Client directory. If you have objects spread out over several machines, then I would do the NDS backup from the machien with least data/least busy. The backup of NDS walks the tree and gets from all machines. NOTE: License objects cannot be backed up! There is expalnation in documentation. Haven't tried a restore yet. David B. Longo System Administrator Health First, Inc. 3300 Fiske Blvd. Rockledge, FL 32955-4305 PH 321.434.5536 Pager 321.634.8230 Fax:321.434.5525 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/02/02 03:19PM I've been asked by our NDS expert, if TSM backs up the netware hidden directory. Apparently it doesn't as I've watched TSM backup the NDS and it backups the individual NDS objects. Has anyone had to do a complete restore of a netware box, including NDS? Did it work, what steps did you take as the backup/archive manual for netware is lacking this kind of information MMS health-first.org made the following annotations on 05/02/02 16:16:14 -- This message is for the named person's use only. It may contain confidential, proprietary, or legally privileged information. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by any mistransmission. If you receive this message in error, please immediately delete it and all copies of it from your system, destroy any hard copies of it, and notify the sender. You must not, directly or indirectly, use, disclose, distribute, print, or copy any part of this message if you are not the intended recipient. Health First reserves the right to monitor all e-mail communications through its networks. Any views or opinions expressed in this message are solely those of the individual sender, except (1) where the message states such views or opinions are on behalf of a particular entity; and (2) the sender is authorized by the entity to give such views or opinions. == Confidentiality Note: The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to whom or which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you receive this in error, please delete this material immediately. MMS health-first.org made the following annotations on 05/03/02 12:04:23 -- This message is for the named person's use only. It may contain confidential, proprietary, or legally privileged information. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by any mistransmission. If you receive this message in error, please immediately delete it and all copies of it from your system, destroy any hard copies of it, and notify the sender. You must not, directly or indirectly, use, disclose, distribute, print, or copy any part of this message if you are not the intended recipient. Health First reserves the right to monitor all e-mail communications through its networks. Any views or opinions expressed in this message are solely those of the individual sender, except (1) where the message states such views or opinions are on behalf of a particular entity; and (2) the sender is authorized by the entity to give such views or opinions. ==
Re: Netware - NDS - Restoring NDS in case of extreme loss
Jim, Here is a couple of paragraphs from our Netware Admin. I agree that the default should be to back up NDS. I don't like the idea of running it on every server--somebody may do backups across WAN links. Making master of root the default is reasonable. Could they implement a restore of single leaf objects to a temporary location? Or provide the client with the ability to browse attributes within the backup? Being able to query specific objects would be way kewl. I would agree about default. By default NT registry is backed up, I know there's some slight of hand to do it and restore - but it works. Just exclude NDS then from clients you don't want backing it up. Better to have it backed up several times than not at all. Thanks, David B. Longo System Administrator Health First, Inc. 3300 Fiske Blvd. Rockledge, FL 32955-4305 PH 321.434.5536 Pager 321.634.8230 Fax:321.434.5525 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/02/02 04:52PM David, You are correct - NDS not backed-up by default. Question for you - should it be? Some options: 1. backup NDS by default on every server that has a replica stored - this would mean redundant backups and also, as you have pointed out, walking the NDS from all these machines will be a performance concern. At least you would have the NDS backed-up out of the box and could turn off (via DOMAIN) this behavior where it wasn't wanted. 2. backup NDS by default on server with master replica of root partition ( or some other intelligent way of choosing a candidate server). Same as above, maybe this is not the best choice in your environment, but it is at least a choice and will mean that the NDS is backed-up by a machine by default.. Once again, could change behaviors through DOMAIN option. The scenario we are trying to avoid is having the NetWare admin discover that the NDS is not backed-up by default when it is time for a disaster recovery. I am interested in any ideas you or any other user would have about the TSM NetWare B-A client's default behavior when it comes to the NDS. Thanks, Jim Smith TSM development Yes, you can backup the NDS, but it is not backed up by default! Look in manual uder DOMAIN statement, you have to explicitly specify it. Then look at file Ntwback.htm loaded with yoyu Netware client install under ...Tivoli/Tsm/Client directory. If you have objects spread out over several machines, then I would do the NDS backup from the machien with least data/least busy. The backup of NDS walks the tree and gets from all machines. NOTE: License objects cannot be backed up! There is expalnation in documentation. Haven't tried a restore yet. David B. Longo System Administrator Health First, Inc. 3300 Fiske Blvd. Rockledge, FL 32955-4305 PH 321.434.5536 Pager 321.634.8230 Fax:321.434.5525 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/02/02 03:19PM I've been asked by our NDS expert, if TSM backs up the netware hidden directory. Apparently it doesn't as I've watched TSM backup the NDS and it backups the individual NDS objects. Has anyone had to do a complete restore of a netware box, including NDS? Did it work, what steps did you take as the backup/archive manual for netware is lacking this kind of information MMS health-first.org made the following annotations on 05/02/02 16:16:14 -- This message is for the named person's use only. It may contain confidential, proprietary, or legally privileged information. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by any mistransmission. If you receive this message in error, please immediately delete it and all copies of it from your system, destroy any hard copies of it, and notify the sender. You must not, directly or indirectly, use, disclose, distribute, print, or copy any part of this message if you are not the intended recipient. Health First reserves the right to monitor all e-mail communications through its networks. Any views or opinions expressed in this message are solely those of the individual sender, except (1) where the message states such views or opinions are on behalf of a particular entity; and (2) the sender is authorized by the entity to give such views or opinions. == MMS health-first.org made the following annotations on 05/03/02 13:58:47 -- This message is for the named person's use only. It may contain confidential, proprietary, or legally privileged information. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by any mistransmission. If you receive this message in error, please immediately delete it and all copies of it from your system, destroy any hard copies of it, and notify the sender. You must not, directly or indirectly, use, disclose, distribute, print, or copy any part of
Netware - NDS - Restoring NDS in case of extreme loss
I've been asked by our NDS expert, if TSM backs up the netware hidden directory. Apparently it doesn't as I've watched TSM backup the NDS and it backups the individual NDS objects. Has anyone had to do a complete restore of a netware box, including NDS? Did it work, what steps did you take as the backup/archive manual for netware is lacking this kind of information
Re: Netware - NDS - Restoring NDS in case of extreme loss
Last time I tried, which was over a year ago, we could not restore our NDS during our disaster recovery drill. The problem had to do with products which we purchased that extended the schema. A lot of finger pointing occurred! I have not tried it since then. We ended up using the Novell backup utility to restore our NDS. Mark -Original Message- From: Stormy Maddux [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 3:19 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Netware - NDS - Restoring NDS in case of extreme loss I've been asked by our NDS expert, if TSM backs up the netware hidden directory. Apparently it doesn't as I've watched TSM backup the NDS and it backups the individual NDS objects. Has anyone had to do a complete restore of a netware box, including NDS? Did it work, what steps did you take as the backup/archive manual for netware is lacking this kind of information Confidentiality Note: The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to whom or which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you receive this in error, please delete this material immediately.
Re: Netware - NDS - Restoring NDS in case of extreme loss
Yes, you can backup the NDS, but it is not backed up by default! Look in manual uder DOMAIN statement, you have to explicitly specify it. Then look at file Ntwback.htm loaded with yoyu Netware client install under ...Tivoli/Tsm/Client directory. If you have objects spread out over several machines, then I would do the NDS backup from the machien with least data/least busy. The backup of NDS walks the tree and gets from all machines. NOTE: License objects cannot be backed up! There is expalnation in documentation. Haven't tried a restore yet. David B. Longo System Administrator Health First, Inc. 3300 Fiske Blvd. Rockledge, FL 32955-4305 PH 321.434.5536 Pager 321.634.8230 Fax:321.434.5525 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/02/02 03:19PM I've been asked by our NDS expert, if TSM backs up the netware hidden directory. Apparently it doesn't as I've watched TSM backup the NDS and it backups the individual NDS objects. Has anyone had to do a complete restore of a netware box, including NDS? Did it work, what steps did you take as the backup/archive manual for netware is lacking this kind of information MMS health-first.org made the following annotations on 05/02/02 16:16:14 -- This message is for the named person's use only. It may contain confidential, proprietary, or legally privileged information. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by any mistransmission. If you receive this message in error, please immediately delete it and all copies of it from your system, destroy any hard copies of it, and notify the sender. You must not, directly or indirectly, use, disclose, distribute, print, or copy any part of this message if you are not the intended recipient. Health First reserves the right to monitor all e-mail communications through its networks. Any views or opinions expressed in this message are solely those of the individual sender, except (1) where the message states such views or opinions are on behalf of a particular entity; and (2) the sender is authorized by the entity to give such views or opinions. ==
Re: Netware - NDS - Restoring NDS in case of extreme loss
Hello, Please refer to the Tivoli Storage Manager for NetWare Backup-Archive Client Installation and User's Guide Version 5 Release 1 which is available at the Tivoli web site. There is a chapter called Tivoli Storage Manager NetWare Backup and Recovery Guide which documents how to recover machines and NDS considerations (this was formally published as a separate white paper). Even if you are running the TSM V4 Netware B-A client, the information will still apply. I assume that the hidden directory you are talking about is the directory where the NetWare server physically stores the logical NDS information for which that server is responsible. The B-A client does not explicitly backup/restore this directory, but instead relies on using the NetWare backup API via the NDS target-service agent (TSANDS.NLM) to backup/restore NDS objects. Even if this directory were visible to a backup product, I don't think that you would be guaranteed any level consistency during a backup operation. Hope this helps, Jim Smith TSM development I've been asked by our NDS expert, if TSM backs up the netware hidden directory. Apparently it doesn't as I've watched TSM backup the NDS and it backups the individual NDS objects. Has anyone had to do a complete restore of a netware box, including NDS? Did it work, what steps did you take as the backup/archive manual for netware is lacking this kind of information
Re: Netware - NDS - Restoring NDS in case of extreme loss
David, You are correct - NDS not backed-up by default. Question for you - should it be? Some options: 1. backup NDS by default on every server that has a replica stored - this would mean redundant backups and also, as you have pointed out, walking the NDS from all these machines will be a performance concern. At least you would have the NDS backed-up out of the box and could turn off (via DOMAIN) this behavior where it wasn't wanted. 2. backup NDS by default on server with master replica of root partition ( or some other intelligent way of choosing a candidate server). Same as above, maybe this is not the best choice in your environment, but it is at least a choice and will mean that the NDS is backed-up by a machine by default.. Once again, could change behaviors through DOMAIN option. The scenario we are trying to avoid is having the NetWare admin discover that the NDS is not backed-up by default when it is time for a disaster recovery. I am interested in any ideas you or any other user would have about the TSM NetWare B-A client's default behavior when it comes to the NDS. Thanks, Jim Smith TSM development Yes, you can backup the NDS, but it is not backed up by default! Look in manual uder DOMAIN statement, you have to explicitly specify it. Then look at file Ntwback.htm loaded with yoyu Netware client install under ...Tivoli/Tsm/Client directory. If you have objects spread out over several machines, then I would do the NDS backup from the machien with least data/least busy. The backup of NDS walks the tree and gets from all machines. NOTE: License objects cannot be backed up! There is expalnation in documentation. Haven't tried a restore yet. David B. Longo System Administrator Health First, Inc. 3300 Fiske Blvd. Rockledge, FL 32955-4305 PH 321.434.5536 Pager 321.634.8230 Fax:321.434.5525 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/02/02 03:19PM I've been asked by our NDS expert, if TSM backs up the netware hidden directory. Apparently it doesn't as I've watched TSM backup the NDS and it backups the individual NDS objects. Has anyone had to do a complete restore of a netware box, including NDS? Did it work, what steps did you take as the backup/archive manual for netware is lacking this kind of information MMS health-first.org made the following annotations on 05/02/02 16:16:14 -- This message is for the named person's use only. It may contain confidential, proprietary, or legally privileged information. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by any mistransmission. If you receive this message in error, please immediately delete it and all copies of it from your system, destroy any hard copies of it, and notify the sender. You must not, directly or indirectly, use, disclose, distribute, print, or copy any part of this message if you are not the intended recipient. Health First reserves the right to monitor all e-mail communications through its networks. Any views or opinions expressed in this message are solely those of the individual sender, except (1) where the message states such views or opinions are on behalf of a particular entity; and (2) the sender is authorized by the entity to give such views or opinions. ==
Re: Netware - NDS - Restoring NDS in case of extreme loss
HAHA! 'Haven't tried a restore yet.' -Original Message- From: David Longo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 4:02 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Netware - NDS - Restoring NDS in case of extreme loss Yes, you can backup the NDS, but it is not backed up by default! Look in manual uder DOMAIN statement, you have to explicitly specify it. Then look at file Ntwback.htm loaded with yoyu Netware client install under ...Tivoli/Tsm/Client directory. If you have objects spread out over several machines, then I would do the NDS backup from the machien with least data/least busy. The backup of NDS walks the tree and gets from all machines. NOTE: License objects cannot be backed up! There is expalnation in documentation. Haven't tried a restore yet. David B. Longo System Administrator Health First, Inc. 3300 Fiske Blvd. Rockledge, FL 32955-4305 PH 321.434.5536 Pager 321.634.8230 Fax:321.434.5525 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/02/02 03:19PM I've been asked by our NDS expert, if TSM backs up the netware hidden directory. Apparently it doesn't as I've watched TSM backup the NDS and it backups the individual NDS objects. Has anyone had to do a complete restore of a netware box, including NDS? Did it work, what steps did you take as the backup/archive manual for netware is lacking this kind of information MMS health-first.org made the following annotations on 05/02/02 16:16:14 -- This message is for the named person's use only. It may contain confidential, proprietary, or legally privileged information. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by any mistransmission. If you receive this message in error, please immediately delete it and all copies of it from your system, destroy any hard copies of it, and notify the sender. You must not, directly or indirectly, use, disclose, distribute, print, or copy any part of this message if you are not the intended recipient. Health First reserves the right to monitor all e-mail communications through its networks. Any views or opinions expressed in this message are solely those of the individual sender, except (1) where the message states such views or opinions are on behalf of a particular entity; and (2) the sender is authorized by the entity to give such views or opinions. == Confidentiality Note: The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to whom or which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you receive this in error, please delete this material immediately.
Re: Netware - NDS - Restoring NDS in case of extreme loss
David, if you have not tried restore how you can be sure you CAN restore in case of disaster? Mark brought up some problems he had in the past. Do they apply to you or not I do not know. But for every major change is better to verify what you have done. And with backups/restores you have to be careful - if restore fails you cannot step back and create (a better) backup again. Zlatko Krastev IT Consultant Please respond to ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by:ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:Re: Netware - NDS - Restoring NDS in case of extreme loss Yes, you can backup the NDS, but it is not backed up by default! Look in manual uder DOMAIN statement, you have to explicitly specify it. Then look at file Ntwback.htm loaded with yoyu Netware client install under ...Tivoli/Tsm/Client directory. If you have objects spread out over several machines, then I would do the NDS backup from the machien with least data/least busy. The backup of NDS walks the tree and gets from all machines. NOTE: License objects cannot be backed up! There is expalnation in documentation. Haven't tried a restore yet. David B. Longo System Administrator Health First, Inc. 3300 Fiske Blvd. Rockledge, FL 32955-4305 PH 321.434.5536 Pager 321.634.8230 Fax:321.434.5525 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/02/02 03:19PM I've been asked by our NDS expert, if TSM backs up the netware hidden directory. Apparently it doesn't as I've watched TSM backup the NDS and it backups the individual NDS objects. Has anyone had to do a complete restore of a netware box, including NDS? Did it work, what steps did you take as the backup/archive manual for netware is lacking this kind of information MMS health-first.org made the following annotations on 05/02/02 16:16:14 -- This message is for the named person's use only. It may contain confidential, proprietary, or legally privileged information. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by any mistransmission. If you receive this message in error, please immediately delete it and all copies of it from your system, destroy any hard copies of it, and notify the sender. You must not, directly or indirectly, use, disclose, distribute, print, or copy any part of this message if you are not the intended recipient. Health First reserves the right to monitor all e-mail communications through its networks. Any views or opinions expressed in this message are solely those of the individual sender, except (1) where the message states such views or opinions are on behalf of a particular entity; and (2) the sender is authorized by the entity to give such views or opinions. ==
