Re: [EXT] [ADSM-L] VMFolder in VMware backups
Hi Del. Tagging is OK. It means that our VMware guys will be managing the backups and I am not sure if they will choose TSM. Deploying an extra disk just for pagefile.sys, reconfiguring and rebooting thousands of VMs is a lot of work. Much easier if the product has the ability to do exclusions. Like Veeam. IBM should step up. Hans Chr. On Tue, Jul 10, 2018 at 3:34 PM Del Hoobler wrote: > VMware tagging was introduced as a better solution for managing backups > (vs. VMFOLDER/subfolder). > > As for pagefile.sys ... one solution is to place the pagefile on its own > volume and exclude that volume.You can also set this disk as Independent > (VMware Edit Settings) and it will not participate in the snapshot, the > vmprocessindependent=yes option will allow the backup of the VM skipping > any Independent disk. > > > Del > > > > > "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" wrote on 07/10/2018 > 09:17:00 AM: > > > From: Hans Christian Riksheim > > To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU > > Date: 07/10/2018 09:17 AM > > Subject: Re: [EXT] [ADSM-L] VMFolder in VMware backups > > Sent by: "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" > > > > Issued a PMR and from what I can gather it is theoretically impossible > to > > include subfolders due to VMware design. > > > > BTW , anyone know if there is any effort towards the ability to exclude > > pagefile.sys? That one is killing my dedup ratio. > > > > Hans Chr. > > > > On Fri, Jul 6, 2018 at 11:12 AM Hans Christian Riksheim > > > wrote: > > > > > Hi Matthew. > > > > > > I do mostly cluster level backups but for some installations we have > > > folders assigned to different customers and need a separate data mover > for > > > each. Without a subdir=yes type backup we get into the fun situation > where > > > someone has made a new sub folder without informing us. > > > > > > TSM has advanced and granular rules for file inclusion/exclusion but > the > > > TDP Vmware rules are too rudimentary to be useful in my opinion. > > > > > > As I understand IBM is abandoning the TSM way of doing things where > the > > > TSM admin controls the backup process with rules and policies and we > will > > > probably not see any improvement. If the responsibility of doing image > > > backups is transferred to our VMware guys they will choose the backup > > > software and TSM won't be on the short list. IBM should be aware of > that. > > > > > > Hans Chr. > > > > > > On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 4:36 PM Matthew McGeary < > > > matthew.mcge...@nutrien.com> wrote: > > > > > >> Good morning Hans, > > >> > > >> Subfolders have never worked with the -vmfolder option, which has > driven > > >> me crazy for years. I gave up and went to cluster-level backups. > > >> > > >> __ > > >> Matthew McGeary > > >> Senior Advisor, Datacenter > > >> Information Technology > > >> T: (306) 933-8921 > > >> www.nutrien.com > > >> > > >> > > >> -Original Message- > > >> From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU] On > Behalf > Of > > >> Hans Christian Riksheim > > >> Sent: Wednesday, July 4, 2018 12:21 AM > > >> To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU > > >> Subject: [EXT] [ADSM-L] VMFolder in VMware backups > > >> > > >> WARNING: This email originated from outside of the organization. > Exercise > > >> caution when viewing attachments, clicking links, or responding > > to requests. > > >> > > >> > > >> Any tip to include any sub folder? I have always believed they were > > >> included but now I see they are not. Not sure if this behavior has > changed > > >> with versions. Not helping that the documentation tells nothing about > this > > >> very important matter and turning yet another simple thing into a > research > > >> project. > > >> > > >> Hans C. Riksheim > > >> For more information on Nutrien's email policy or to unsubscribe, > click > > >> here: INVALID URI REMOVED > > > u=https-3A__www.nutrien.com_important-2Dnotice=DwIFaQ=jf_iaSHvJObTbx- > > siA1ZOg=0hq2JX5c3TEZNriHEs7Zf7HrkY2fNtONOrEOM8Txvk8=BXF- > > > > LWtMuswSjpHce_iSqAIFmZMA3vrccCNmO8JaHNs=xspFi4Eewrfu2eBuPhfvJoXuBvQcvuVELPzkdsp0ZcQ= > > >> Pour plus de renseignements sur la politique de courrier électronique > > >> d’Nutrien ou pour vous désabonnez, cliquez ici : > > >> INVALID URI REMOVED > > u=https-3A__www.nutrien.com_avis-2Dimportant=DwIFaQ=jf_iaSHvJObTbx- > > siA1ZOg=0hq2JX5c3TEZNriHEs7Zf7HrkY2fNtONOrEOM8Txvk8=BXF- > > > LWtMuswSjpHce_iSqAIFmZMA3vrccCNmO8JaHNs=tTPrBQGRIgYrlchkoLAJ7BXuluXwct- > > IYK6ThdJ9pnA= > > >> > > > > > > > >
Re: [EXT] [ADSM-L] VMFolder in VMware backups
VMware tagging was introduced as a better solution for managing backups (vs. VMFOLDER/subfolder). As for pagefile.sys ... one solution is to place the pagefile on its own volume and exclude that volume.You can also set this disk as Independent (VMware Edit Settings) and it will not participate in the snapshot, the vmprocessindependent=yes option will allow the backup of the VM skipping any Independent disk. Del "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" wrote on 07/10/2018 09:17:00 AM: > From: Hans Christian Riksheim > To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU > Date: 07/10/2018 09:17 AM > Subject: Re: [EXT] [ADSM-L] VMFolder in VMware backups > Sent by: "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" > > Issued a PMR and from what I can gather it is theoretically impossible to > include subfolders due to VMware design. > > BTW , anyone know if there is any effort towards the ability to exclude > pagefile.sys? That one is killing my dedup ratio. > > Hans Chr. > > On Fri, Jul 6, 2018 at 11:12 AM Hans Christian Riksheim > wrote: > > > Hi Matthew. > > > > I do mostly cluster level backups but for some installations we have > > folders assigned to different customers and need a separate data mover for > > each. Without a subdir=yes type backup we get into the fun situation where > > someone has made a new sub folder without informing us. > > > > TSM has advanced and granular rules for file inclusion/exclusion but the > > TDP Vmware rules are too rudimentary to be useful in my opinion. > > > > As I understand IBM is abandoning the TSM way of doing things where the > > TSM admin controls the backup process with rules and policies and we will > > probably not see any improvement. If the responsibility of doing image > > backups is transferred to our VMware guys they will choose the backup > > software and TSM won't be on the short list. IBM should be aware of that. > > > > Hans Chr. > > > > On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 4:36 PM Matthew McGeary < > > matthew.mcge...@nutrien.com> wrote: > > > >> Good morning Hans, > >> > >> Subfolders have never worked with the -vmfolder option, which has driven > >> me crazy for years. I gave up and went to cluster-level backups. > >> > >> __ > >> Matthew McGeary > >> Senior Advisor, Datacenter > >> Information Technology > >> T: (306) 933-8921 > >> www.nutrien.com > >> > >> > >> -Original Message- > >> From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU] On Behalf Of > >> Hans Christian Riksheim > >> Sent: Wednesday, July 4, 2018 12:21 AM > >> To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU > >> Subject: [EXT] [ADSM-L] VMFolder in VMware backups > >> > >> WARNING: This email originated from outside of the organization. Exercise > >> caution when viewing attachments, clicking links, or responding > to requests. > >> > >> > >> Any tip to include any sub folder? I have always believed they were > >> included but now I see they are not. Not sure if this behavior has changed > >> with versions. Not helping that the documentation tells nothing about this > >> very important matter and turning yet another simple thing into a research > >> project. > >> > >> Hans C. Riksheim > >> For more information on Nutrien's email policy or to unsubscribe, click > >> here: INVALID URI REMOVED > u=https-3A__www.nutrien.com_important-2Dnotice=DwIFaQ=jf_iaSHvJObTbx- > siA1ZOg=0hq2JX5c3TEZNriHEs7Zf7HrkY2fNtONOrEOM8Txvk8=BXF- > LWtMuswSjpHce_iSqAIFmZMA3vrccCNmO8JaHNs=xspFi4Eewrfu2eBuPhfvJoXuBvQcvuVELPzkdsp0ZcQ= > >> Pour plus de renseignements sur la politique de courrier électronique > >> d’Nutrien ou pour vous désabonnez, cliquez ici : > >> INVALID URI REMOVED > u=https-3A__www.nutrien.com_avis-2Dimportant=DwIFaQ=jf_iaSHvJObTbx- > siA1ZOg=0hq2JX5c3TEZNriHEs7Zf7HrkY2fNtONOrEOM8Txvk8=BXF- > LWtMuswSjpHce_iSqAIFmZMA3vrccCNmO8JaHNs=tTPrBQGRIgYrlchkoLAJ7BXuluXwct- > IYK6ThdJ9pnA= > >> > > >
Re: [EXT] [ADSM-L] VMFolder in VMware backups
Issued a PMR and from what I can gather it is theoretically impossible to include subfolders due to VMware design. BTW , anyone know if there is any effort towards the ability to exclude pagefile.sys? That one is killing my dedup ratio. Hans Chr. On Fri, Jul 6, 2018 at 11:12 AM Hans Christian Riksheim wrote: > Hi Matthew. > > I do mostly cluster level backups but for some installations we have > folders assigned to different customers and need a separate data mover for > each. Without a subdir=yes type backup we get into the fun situation where > someone has made a new sub folder without informing us. > > TSM has advanced and granular rules for file inclusion/exclusion but the > TDP Vmware rules are too rudimentary to be useful in my opinion. > > As I understand IBM is abandoning the TSM way of doing things where the > TSM admin controls the backup process with rules and policies and we will > probably not see any improvement. If the responsibility of doing image > backups is transferred to our VMware guys they will choose the backup > software and TSM won't be on the short list. IBM should be aware of that. > > Hans Chr. > > On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 4:36 PM Matthew McGeary < > matthew.mcge...@nutrien.com> wrote: > >> Good morning Hans, >> >> Subfolders have never worked with the -vmfolder option, which has driven >> me crazy for years. I gave up and went to cluster-level backups. >> >> __ >> Matthew McGeary >> Senior Advisor, Datacenter >> Information Technology >> T: (306) 933-8921 >> www.nutrien.com >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU] On Behalf Of >> Hans Christian Riksheim >> Sent: Wednesday, July 4, 2018 12:21 AM >> To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU >> Subject: [EXT] [ADSM-L] VMFolder in VMware backups >> >> WARNING: This email originated from outside of the organization. Exercise >> caution when viewing attachments, clicking links, or responding to requests. >> >> >> Any tip to include any sub folder? I have always believed they were >> included but now I see they are not. Not sure if this behavior has changed >> with versions. Not helping that the documentation tells nothing about this >> very important matter and turning yet another simple thing into a research >> project. >> >> Hans C. Riksheim >> For more information on Nutrien's email policy or to unsubscribe, click >> here: https://www.nutrien.com/important-notice >> Pour plus de renseignements sur la politique de courrier électronique >> d’Nutrien ou pour vous désabonnez, cliquez ici : >> https://www.nutrien.com/avis-important >> >
Re: [EXT] [ADSM-L] VMFolder in VMware backups
Hi Matthew. I do mostly cluster level backups but for some installations we have folders assigned to different customers and need a separate data mover for each. Without a subdir=yes type backup we get into the fun situation where someone has made a new sub folder without informing us. TSM has advanced and granular rules for file inclusion/exclusion but the TDP Vmware rules are too rudimentary to be useful in my opinion. As I understand IBM is abandoning the TSM way of doing things where the TSM admin controls the backup process with rules and policies and we will probably not see any improvement. If the responsibility of doing image backups is transferred to our VMware guys they will choose the backup software and TSM won't be on the short list. IBM should be aware of that. Hans Chr. On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 4:36 PM Matthew McGeary wrote: > Good morning Hans, > > Subfolders have never worked with the -vmfolder option, which has driven > me crazy for years. I gave up and went to cluster-level backups. > > __ > Matthew McGeary > Senior Advisor, Datacenter > Information Technology > T: (306) 933-8921 > www.nutrien.com > > > -Original Message- > From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU] On Behalf Of > Hans Christian Riksheim > Sent: Wednesday, July 4, 2018 12:21 AM > To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU > Subject: [EXT] [ADSM-L] VMFolder in VMware backups > > WARNING: This email originated from outside of the organization. Exercise > caution when viewing attachments, clicking links, or responding to requests. > > > Any tip to include any sub folder? I have always believed they were > included but now I see they are not. Not sure if this behavior has changed > with versions. Not helping that the documentation tells nothing about this > very important matter and turning yet another simple thing into a research > project. > > Hans C. Riksheim > For more information on Nutrien's email policy or to unsubscribe, click > here: https://www.nutrien.com/important-notice > Pour plus de renseignements sur la politique de courrier électronique > d’Nutrien ou pour vous désabonnez, cliquez ici : > https://www.nutrien.com/avis-important >
Re: [EXT] [ADSM-L] VMFolder in VMware backups
Good morning Hans, Subfolders have never worked with the -vmfolder option, which has driven me crazy for years. I gave up and went to cluster-level backups. __ Matthew McGeary Senior Advisor, Datacenter Information Technology T: (306) 933-8921 www.nutrien.com -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU] On Behalf Of Hans Christian Riksheim Sent: Wednesday, July 4, 2018 12:21 AM To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: [EXT] [ADSM-L] VMFolder in VMware backups WARNING: This email originated from outside of the organization. Exercise caution when viewing attachments, clicking links, or responding to requests. Any tip to include any sub folder? I have always believed they were included but now I see they are not. Not sure if this behavior has changed with versions. Not helping that the documentation tells nothing about this very important matter and turning yet another simple thing into a research project. Hans C. Riksheim For more information on Nutrien's email policy or to unsubscribe, click here: https://www.nutrien.com/important-notice Pour plus de renseignements sur la politique de courrier électronique d’Nutrien ou pour vous désabonnez, cliquez ici : https://www.nutrien.com/avis-important
