Re: comments on disk storage plan

2002-05-09 Thread Andrew Carlson

I haven't seen the same thing as you. I was using raw logical volumes,
and converted to JFS.  I saw little if no penalty during write, but a
big win during the sequential reads.  As always, your mileage may vary,
but I would not rule out JFS if I was you.


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On Thu, 9 May 2002, Rich Brohl wrote:

 Chris,

 I would create a stripped logical volume  using as many disk as possible
 (the more the better) in the Volume Group.  Also, do not create a
 filesystem just leave the Logical Volume in the Volume Group.  This will
 keep you from having to deal with the AIX JFS overhead.  When you define
 your volumes to the disk storage pool point it to the (r)logical volume
 name.  For instance if you create a logical volume in the volume group
 named tsmstg1lv, then in TSM define you volume /dev/rstmstg1lv  to the disk
 storage pool. This will give you some awesome throughput.

 On the flip side when you do your migration to tape you will be doing
 mostly sequential reads from the disk storage pools so the can keep the
 tape drive(s)  running at max write speed.

 Rich Brohl
 ISM Support
 Tie Line  547-9317
 Direct  303-693-4969
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 Hi all,

 Just wanted to sanity check my disk storage pool layout I'm planning.

 AIX 4.3.3
 Server H80
 2 x D40 SSA drawers, two loops over two SSA 160 adapters
 32 x 9Gb SSA disks
 Max nodes backing up at any one time is approx 6

 I don't want to mirror the volumes

 32 x 9Gb logical volumes, each logical volume on one SSA disk. These lvs
 will then translate into 32 disk storage pool volumes. This way if I have a
 disk failure I only lose one disk pool volume.

 Anyone got any ideas what kind of read/write performance I should expect to
 see from this config?

 Any other options considered.

 Regards

 Chris



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Re: comments on disk storage plan

2002-05-09 Thread Gerald Wichmann

With only 6 nodes pushing data to the TSM server at a time, what kind of
throughput are you expecting the TSM server to have to handle (is the
network going to limit throughput? How much data do you expect the nodes
themselves to push?) I.e. do you really think with that many disks in your
disk pool you're going to see some discernable difference between jfs and
raw logical volumes? You'll see terrific performance regardless of which
route you go but you need to leverage the advantage of having so many
disks...

Keep in mind how TSM uses disk storage pool volumes. In your below scenario
you suggest having 32 disk pool volumes and yet you also mention only appox
6 nodes will be backing up at once. Assuming only 1 thread per node, you'll
only be accessing 6 of those 32 disk volumes at any one time. The other's
will sit idle while each node essentially backs up to only 1 disk at a time.
You wouldn't be leveraging the advantage of having so many disks..

Using striping or even RAID-5 makes much more sense. E.g. you could do as
Rich mentioned below. Or perhaps 6 RAID-5 arrays of 5 disks each with 2 hot
spares? Certainly makes admining easier since you'll never lose data. You're
going to have to take all these variables into consideration. How is TSM
going to hit those volumes you create? How is AIX going to write to the
disks given the configuration you're considering? How are the SSA adapters
and pathways going to handle the given configuration?

Gerald Wichmann
Sr. Systems Development Engineer
Zantaz, Inc.
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408.836.9062 c

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Subject: Re: comments on disk storage plan

I haven't seen the same thing as you. I was using raw logical volumes,
and converted to JFS.  I saw little if no penalty during write, but a
big win during the sequential reads.  As always, your mileage may vary,
but I would not rule out JFS if I was you.


Andy Carlson|\  _,,,---,,_
Senior Technical Specialist   ZZZzz /,`.-'`'-.  ;-;;,_
BJC Health Care|,4-  ) )-,_. ,\ (  `'-'
St. Louis, Missouri   '---''(_/--'  `-'\_)
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On Thu, 9 May 2002, Rich Brohl wrote:

 Chris,

 I would create a stripped logical volume  using as many disk as possible
 (the more the better) in the Volume Group.  Also, do not create a
 filesystem just leave the Logical Volume in the Volume Group.  This will
 keep you from having to deal with the AIX JFS overhead.  When you define
 your volumes to the disk storage pool point it to the (r)logical volume
 name.  For instance if you create a logical volume in the volume group
 named tsmstg1lv, then in TSM define you volume /dev/rstmstg1lv  to the
disk
 storage pool. This will give you some awesome throughput.

 On the flip side when you do your migration to tape you will be doing
 mostly sequential reads from the disk storage pools so the can keep the
 tape drive(s)  running at max write speed.

 Rich Brohl
 ISM Support
 Tie Line  547-9317
 Direct  303-693-4969
 Pager 888-524-9030


 chris rees [EMAIL PROTECTED]@VM.MARIST.EDU on 05/09/2002 08:46:02
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 Hi all,

 Just wanted to sanity check my disk storage pool layout I'm planning.

 AIX 4.3.3
 Server H80
 2 x D40 SSA drawers, two loops over two SSA 160 adapters
 32 x 9Gb SSA disks
 Max nodes backing up at any one time is approx 6

 I don't want to mirror the volumes

 32 x 9Gb logical volumes, each logical volume on one SSA disk. These lvs
 will then translate into 32 disk storage pool volumes. This way if I have
a
 disk failure I only lose one disk pool volume.

 Anyone got any ideas what kind of read/write performance I should expect
to
 see from this config?

 Any other options considered.

 Regards

 Chris



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