Re: TDPO and different Management Class

2005-12-17 Thread Jurjen Oskam
On Fri, Dec 16, 2005 at 10:44:38AM +, David McClelland wrote:

As the other guys have pointed out, there should be a single
management class with the well-known set-in-stone backup copygroup
retention policies as a destination for DP for Oracle backups. Take a

I'd like to repeat a tip I got right here on the list: multiple management
classes for TDP for Oracle can be quite handy. Every management class
should have the same retention policy, but you can vary the storagepool
destination.

That way, you can send e.g. your archivelogs to a diskpool and regular
backups directly to tape by using the RMAN FORMAT parameter and the
INCLUDE-option in the TSM API configuration.

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Jurjen Oskam


Re: TDPO and different Management Class

2005-12-16 Thread David McClelland

Muthu,

As the other guys have pointed out,
there should be a single management class with the well-known set-in-stone
backup copygroup retention policies as a destination for DP for Oracle
backups. Take a look in the IBM Redbook Backing Up Oracle using Tivoli
Storage Management  http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/redbooks/pdfs/sg246249.pdf
around page 42.

There are various methods one can use
to keep Oracle backups for longer periods - the method suggested below
of performing an 'export' dump of the data into a self-describing format
from Oracle before TSM archiving it off for a set period of time is very
valid, especially for longer retention periods: if for regulatory purposes
one must keep data for, say 7 years, 10 years or even longer, this is particularly
recommended as the SDF file should be readable by whichever generation
of Oracle one happens to be using in the far-flung future, or even by another
third-party application altogether.

However, within Oracle/RMAN, there is
a way of achieving this requirement using 'format' to modify the object
name at the point of backup - for example, one might format one's monthly
backups to have 'monthly' in their name. Your RMAN backuppiece expiration
routine can then generate lists of 'expiration candidates' based upon the
name of the backup object, ensuring that any backuppieces with 'monthly'
in their title are expired on a different basis to those with, for example,
'daily' or 'weekly' in their name. This setup does require a little bit
of logic and working out, but can work very well.

Hope that helps,



David McClelland

Storage and Systems Management Specialist 
IBM Tivoli Certified Deployment Professional (ITSM 5.2) 
SSO UK Service Delivery  Storage Services 
IBM Global Services  IBM United Kingdom 
 







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Hi Muthu,
 
The retention time of Oracle backups is completely controlled by Oracle.
Any Oracle backup always receive a unique name in TSM and will thus never
expire. 
 
The backupsets must be deleted with RMAN scripts and RMAN will delete then
the corresponding entries in the TSM database too.
 
If you want to keep certain backups like 1YEAR and 5YEAR, I just would
take a full export of the database and include it then in the FS backup
of TSM. There you can store it to the corresponding management class.
 
best regards,
Kurt



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Sent: Thu 12/15/2005 23:46
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Subject: [ADSM-L] TDPO and different Management Class



Hi All,

   Our Oracle DBAs want to backup their database under
different management
class. Do we need to take case anything special while creating management
class
such as ONEYEAR and FIVEYEAR.
   Separately, how do we specify management class while
backing up from RMAN?

Regards
Muthu
202-458-8340 - Work



TDPO and different Management Class

2005-12-15 Thread Muthukumar Kannaiyan
Hi All,

  Our Oracle DBAs want to backup their database under different management
class. Do we need to take case anything special while creating management class
such as  ONEYEAR and FIVEYEAR.
  Separately, how do we specify management class while backing up from RMAN?

Regards
Muthu
202-458-8340 - Work


Re: TDPO and different Management Class

2005-12-15 Thread Kurt Beyers
Hi Muthu,
 
The retention time of Oracle backups is completely controlled by Oracle. Any 
Oracle backup always receive a unique name in TSM and will thus never expire. 
 
The backupsets must be deleted with RMAN scripts and RMAN will delete then the 
corresponding entries in the TSM database too.
 
If you want to keep certain backups like 1YEAR and 5YEAR, I just would take a 
full export of the database and include it then in the FS backup of TSM. There 
you can store it to the corresponding management class.
 
best regards,
Kurt



From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager on behalf of Muthukumar Kannaiyan
Sent: Thu 12/15/2005 23:46
To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU
Subject: [ADSM-L] TDPO and different Management Class



Hi All,

  Our Oracle DBAs want to backup their database under different management
class. Do we need to take case anything special while creating management class
such as  ONEYEAR and FIVEYEAR.
  Separately, how do we specify management class while backing up from RMAN?

Regards
Muthu
202-458-8340 - Work


Re: TDPO and different Management Class

2005-12-15 Thread Jurjen Oskam
On Thu, Dec 15, 2005 at 05:46:11PM -0500, Muthukumar Kannaiyan wrote:

   Separately, how do we specify management class while backing up from 
 RMAN?

As Kurt Beyers already stated: you don't. Point your Oracle DBA's to the
KEEP option in RMAN.

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Jurjen Oskam