Re: Google Product Taxonomy vs Product Bidding Category

['Shwetha Vastrad (AdWords API Team)' via AdWords API Forum]

Hi Joe,

These product bidding categories are now obsolete, which will be indicated 
by the status 

 field 
in the response. You would need to find other categories that best classify 
your products from this list 

 and 
use these product category ids. 

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Re: Google Product Taxonomy vs Product Bidding Category

[Joe Stedman]

Hi Shwetha,

Thank you for getting back to me.
I still have a problem though, example:

I have a selection of products with the taxonomy "Hardware/Painting & Wall 
Covering Supplies/Paint"
Using the ConstantDataService, I can get category ids of 
'1689639310991627077' for Hardware and '6493303640508933718' for Wall 
Covering Supplies, and can confirm that 'Wall Covering Supplies' is indeed 
a child of 'Hardware'.
Yet when I call mutate on the adGroupCriterionService I get an error 
telling me that "Bidding categories do not form a valid path in the 
Shopping bidding category taxonomy...". Which if i'm understanding that 
correctly, is telling me that 'Wall Covering Supplies' is not a correct 
child of 'Hardware'.

Of course, this is just one example, there are far more products for some 
of my other clients that have the same problem.
If the ConstantDataService is telling me that it should be correct, I have 
no way of catching the error before i call mutate, so the entire operation 
array will fail unless I call mutate on each product individually which is 
a bad idea :)

Am I doing something wrong, is there another way to make sure my products 
have the correct taxonomy before I try to create their partitions?

Kind Regards,
Joe


On Wednesday, September 28, 2016 at 10:03:34 PM UTC+1, Shwetha Vastrad 
(AdWords API Team) wrote:
>
> Hi Joe,
>
> The taxonomy you are referring is more than a year old and is most likely 
> deprecated. Please see this document 
> 
>  
> for the current list of products and services category codes. You can 
> retrieve the full set of bidding categories from the ConstantDataService 
> 
>  
> method getProductBiddingCategoryData 
> .
>  
>
>
> Regards,
> Shwetha, AdWords API Team.
>

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Re: Google Product Taxonomy vs Product Bidding Category

['Shwetha Vastrad (AdWords API Team)' via AdWords API Forum]

Hi Joe,

The taxonomy you are referring is more than a year old and is most likely 
deprecated. Please see this document 

 
for the current list of products and services category codes. You can 
retrieve the full set of bidding categories from the ConstantDataService 

 
method getProductBiddingCategoryData 
.
 


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Google Product Taxonomy vs Product Bidding Category

[Joe Stedman]

Hi All,

When automating the creation of shopping campaigns I noticed that the 
Google Product Categories returned by the API don't quite match up with the 
taxonomy found here:
https://www.google.com/basepages/producttype/taxonomy-with-ids.en-GB.txt
 
Causing my code to throw exceptions when it tries to create a product tree 
using the outdated taxonomy.

The exact error I receive is : "Bidding categories do not form a valid path 
in the Shopping bidding category taxonomy.."

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Regards,
Joe

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Re: [4-6874000004292] Google Product Taxonomy vs Product Bidding Category

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Hi Jonathan,

I'm happy to report that with the exception of a handful of nodes, the two 
taxonomies now match at levels 1-5.

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Re: [4-6874000004292] Google Product Taxonomy vs Product Bidding Category

[Jonathan Wu]

Oh, is there an updated link for the merchant center taxonomy?


Regards,
Jonathan Wu

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 Hi Jonathan,

 I'm happy to report that with the exception of a handful of nodes, the two
 taxonomies now match at levels 1-5.

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Re: [4-6874000004292] Google Product Taxonomy vs Product Bidding Category

[Josh Radcliff (AdWords API Team)]

Hi Jonathan,

The link for Merchant Center is still here 
https://support.google.com/merchants/answer/1705911 and has not changed. 
What has changed is that the bidding categories returned by 
ConstantDataService.getProductBiddingCategoryData 
https://developers.google.com/adwords/api/docs/reference/v201409/ConstantDataService#getProductBiddingCategoryData
 now 
match levels 1-5 of the Merchant Center categories, with a few minor 
exceptions.

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Re: [4-6874000004292] Google Product Taxonomy vs Product Bidding Category

[Jonathan Wu]

Alright, thanks for your help.


Regards,
Jonathan Wu

On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 10:33 AM, Josh Radcliff (AdWords API Team) 
adwordsapiadvisor+j...@google.com wrote:

 Hi Jonathan,

 The link for Merchant Center is still here
 https://support.google.com/merchants/answer/1705911 and has not
 changed. What has changed is that the bidding categories returned by
 ConstantDataService.getProductBiddingCategoryData
 https://developers.google.com/adwords/api/docs/reference/v201409/ConstantDataService#getProductBiddingCategoryData
  now
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RE: [4-6874000004292] Google Product Taxonomy vs Product Bidding Category

[Jonathan Wu]

So far, only the US.
On Sep 2, 2014 7:01 AM, adwords-api@googlegroups.com wrote:

 Hi Jonathan,

 Sorry to hear that this work around won't be feasible for you. I'll ask
 the shopping team again if there's any way to produce the mapping between
 the two category taxonomies. For which countries would you need the mapping?

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 On 08/29/14 14:01:37 jonathan...@datapop.com wrote:

 This doesn't really help us since our customers are dictating what they
 what their feed to look like and how to bid on it. We have to execute as
 they specify.
 We already made our own mapping between the taxonomies, but again, it's
 not ideal since any change on either side will break it. If you guys could
 provide a service that returns the product bidding category id based on a
 google_product_category string, that would probably be ideal...


 Regards,
 Jonathan Wu


 On Fri, Aug 29, 2014 at 7:12 AM, adwords-api@googlegroups.com wrote:

 Hi Jonathan,

 We have an idea for a work-around to this problem and I was wondering if
 you would be willing to give it a shot. The idea is to use ProductType
 https://developers.google.com/adwords/api/docs/reference/v201406/CampaignCriterionService.ProductType-based
 bidding instead of ProductBiddingCategory
 https://developers.google.com/adwords/api/docs/reference/v201406/CampaignCriterionService.ProductBiddingCategory
 -based bidding.

 *ProductType* is not tied to a predefined category taxonomy -- the
 categories are completely defined by the user when uploading his products
 to Merchant Center. As a result, bidding based on *ProductType* does not
 have the same category mismatch issues as *ProductBiddingCategory*-based
 bidding.

 The work-around is as follows:

1. Update your existing Merchant Center products
https://support.google.com/merchants/answer/188494?hl=en (either
through the API or the UI), copying the Merchant Center
*google_product_category* into the *product_type* for each product.
For new products and ongoing changes to existing products, modify your feed
upload so that you populate *product_type* with the same values that
you use for *google_product_category*.
2. Create your ProductPartitions

 https://developers.google.com/adwords/api/docs/reference/v201406/AdGroupCriterionService.ProductPartition
 using ProductType

 https://developers.google.com/adwords/api/docs/reference/v201406/AdGroupCriterionService.ProductType
  dimensions
that correspond to the *product_type* values in your feed.

 If you are relying on Merchant Center to automatically populate
 *google_product_category* based on the other attributes of your products,
 then step 1 above could be somewhat difficult, as you'll have to first
 upload your feed, then retrieve the products to find each one's
 *google_product_category*, and then upload your feed again with those
 values copied to the *product_type* field. On the other hand, if you are
 already specifying the *google_product_category* in your feeds, then this
 work-around should be relatively straightforward.

 If you're willing to give this a shot, please let me know. I would
 recommend trying this on a small Merchant Center account or a small subset
 of products in your Merchant Center account first just as a
 proof-of-concept. If all goes well then you can expand the approach to a
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 Thanks,
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 On 08/14/14 16:17:09 jonathan...@datapop.com wrote:

 Any update on this?


 Regards,
 Jonathan Wu


 On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 11:42 AM, Josh Radcliff (AdWords API Team) 
 adwordsapiadvisor+j...@google.com wrote:

 Thanks for clarifying. I'm still waiting for some people to get back to me
 on the differences between the two category sets. I'll post an update as
 soon as I have more information.

 Thanks,
 Josh, AdWords API Team


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Re: [4-6874000004292] Google Product Taxonomy vs Product Bidding Category

[Jonathan Wu]

This doesn't really help us since our customers are dictating what they
what their feed to look like and how to bid on it. We have to execute as
they specify.
We already made our own mapping between the taxonomies, but again, it's not
ideal since any change on either side will break it. If you guys could
provide a service that returns the product bidding category id based on a
google_product_category string, that would probably be ideal...


Regards,
Jonathan Wu


On Fri, Aug 29, 2014 at 7:12 AM, adwords-api@googlegroups.com wrote:

 Hi Jonathan,

 We have an idea for a work-around to this problem and I was wondering if
 you would be willing to give it a shot. The idea is to use ProductType
 https://developers.google.com/adwords/api/docs/reference/v201406/CampaignCriterionService.ProductType-based
 bidding instead of ProductBiddingCategory
 https://developers.google.com/adwords/api/docs/reference/v201406/CampaignCriterionService.ProductBiddingCategory-based
 bidding.

 *ProductType* is not tied to a predefined category taxonomy -- the
 categories are completely defined by the user when uploading his products
 to Merchant Center. As a result, bidding based on *ProductType* does not
 have the same category mismatch issues as *ProductBiddingCategory*-based
 bidding.

 The work-around is as follows:

1. Update your existing Merchant Center products
https://support.google.com/merchants/answer/188494?hl=en (either
through the API or the UI), copying the Merchant Center
*google_product_category* into the *product_type* for each product.
For new products and ongoing changes to existing products, modify your feed
upload so that you populate *product_type* with the same values that
you use for *google_product_category*.
2. Create your ProductPartitions

 https://developers.google.com/adwords/api/docs/reference/v201406/AdGroupCriterionService.ProductPartition
 using ProductType

 https://developers.google.com/adwords/api/docs/reference/v201406/AdGroupCriterionService.ProductType
  dimensions
that correspond to the *product_type* values in your feed.

 If you are relying on Merchant Center to automatically populate
 *google_product_category* based on the other attributes of your products,
 then step 1 above could be somewhat difficult, as you'll have to first
 upload your feed, then retrieve the products to find each one's
 *google_product_category*, and then upload your feed again with those
 values copied to the *product_type* field. On the other hand, if you are
 already specifying the *google_product_category* in your feeds, then this
 work-around should be relatively straightforward.

 If you're willing to give this a shot, please let me know. I would
 recommend trying this on a small Merchant Center account or a small subset
 of products in your Merchant Center account first just as a
 proof-of-concept. If all goes well then you can expand the approach to a
 larger set of products.

 Thanks,
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 On 08/14/14 16:17:09 jonathan...@datapop.com wrote:

 Any update on this?


 Regards,
 Jonathan Wu


 On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 11:42 AM, Josh Radcliff (AdWords API Team) 
 adwordsapiadvisor+j...@google.com wrote:

 Thanks for clarifying. I'm still waiting for some people to get back to me
 on the differences between the two category sets. I'll post an update as
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Re: Google Product Taxonomy vs Product Bidding Category

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Hi,

We've investigated this thoroughly on our side and realize that the 
inconsistencies make GPC-based bidding very difficult. We are looking into 
possible work-arounds -- I'll post back soon with our progress.

Thanks,
Josh, AdWords API Team

On Monday, August 25, 2014 3:24:47 PM UTC-4, HK wrote:

 Hi,


 Wanted to mention that this is a show stopper for us. We need to be able 
 to look across all categories sent via the Content API to the GMC and then 
 turn around and call the AdWords API  to create Product Groups partitioned 
 by those categories. The taxonomies really need to be identical. Although 
 it would be technically possible for us to map them from GMC to AdWords (if 
 the mappings were published), that would be less than ideal and error prone 
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 Hopefully this is something that can be addressed soon.

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Wanted to mention that this is a show stopper for us. We need to be able to 
look across all categories sent via the Content API to the GMC and then 
turn around and call the AdWords API  to create Product Groups partitioned 
by those categories. The taxonomies really need to be identical. Although 
it would be technically possible for us to map them from GMC to AdWords (if 
the mappings were published), that would be less than ideal and error prone 
as the taxonomies potentially evolves.

Hopefully this is something that can be addressed soon.

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Re: Google Product Taxonomy vs Product Bidding Category

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Any update on this?


Regards,
Jonathan Wu


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Re: Google Product Taxonomy vs Product Bidding Category

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Re: Google Product Taxonomy vs Product Bidding Category

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Hi Jonathan,

Thanks for providing more details. I've passed your comments and examples 
along to the product feed and AdWords teams and I'll post an update as soon 
as I have more info.

Regarding your last comment if we start migrating some of our clients to 
API upload, don't we have to start using ProductBiddingCategory?, by API 
upload do you mean using the content API to upload your product feeds, or 
are you referring to using the AdWords API to maintain your partition tree?

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Re: Google Product Taxonomy vs Product Bidding Category

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Hi Jonathan,

It looks like the Google Product Taxonomy is a static list, so it is 
*possible* that it's outdated, but I'm still looking to confirm that. I'll 
post back here when I have more information on that front.

I'm curious -- do you have specific examples where *Merchant Center* shows 
products in a category that is not returned by 
ConstantDataService.getProductBiddingCategoryData 
https://developers.google.com/adwords/api/docs/reference/v201406/ConstantDataService#getProductBiddingCategoryData,
 
or vice versa? If so, could you send me screenshots from *Merchant Center* and 
ad group/criterion ID pairs where you see this occurring?

Thanks,
Josh, AdWords API Team

On Thursday, July 24, 2014 3:17:37 PM UTC-4, Jonathan Wu wrote:

 Hello,

 We are getting into using the adwords api to automate building shopping 
 campaigns for our clients. We just recently found that the Google Product 
 Taxonomy https://support.google.com/merchants/answer/1705911?hl=en which 
 the feeds use for categorization are different from the Product Bidding 
 Categories 
 https://developers.google.com/adwords/api/docs/reference/v201402/ConstantDataService.ProductBiddingCategory
  used 
 in the API. Why was this done? You guys must have some kind of mapping from 
 one to the other since you are receiving the items with the product 
 taxonomy and taking bids with the product bidding category. Can you provide 
 us with that mapping? If this is not possible, the API really is limited in 
 any practical use since we can't create any automation for our clients 
 without making our own mapping that will need to be updated when you change 
 anything on either side. 

 Regards,
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Re: Google Product Taxonomy vs Product Bidding Category

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Thanks for looking into this.

For examples, we already see that the Merchant Center Category Animals 
Pet Supplies is different from the Product Bidding Category Animals. In
merchant center, there is a Live Animals category on the second level
where Product bidding category does not have this sub-category. Pet
supplies is found on the second level in the Product Bidding Category, and
in the merchant center side, this is sub-category is part of the top level
category. So it isn't just naming that is different, in some cases, they
can be organized completely differently as well.

Another difference is the Merchant center categories can go down 7 levels
deep where as the product bidding category only goes down 5 levels. We were
going through both taxonomies on Thrusday and Friday and found numerous
small naming differences. One easy example is that Merchant center calls it
Soda and Product Bidding Category calls it Pop (did someone from the
mid-west make the product bidding categories?).

For feed upload, these differences don't make a difference since you guys
seem to be resolving from one taxonomy to the other. But if we start
migrating some of our clients to API upload, don't we have to start using
ProductBiddingCategory? If we have a mapping from one to the other, it'd
save us a lot of time and worry maintaining the mappings in case either
side changes.


Regards,
Jonathan Wu


On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 7:40 AM, Josh Radcliff (AdWords API Team) 
adwordsapiadvisor+j...@google.com wrote:

 Hi Jonathan,

 It looks like the Google Product Taxonomy is a static list, so it is
 *possible* that it's outdated, but I'm still looking to confirm that.
 I'll post back here when I have more information on that front.

 I'm curious -- do you have specific examples where *Merchant Center* shows
 products in a category that is not returned by
 ConstantDataService.getProductBiddingCategoryData
 https://developers.google.com/adwords/api/docs/reference/v201406/ConstantDataService#getProductBiddingCategoryData,
 or vice versa? If so, could you send me screenshots from *Merchant Center* and
 ad group/criterion ID pairs where you see this occurring?

 Thanks,
 Josh, AdWords API Team


 On Thursday, July 24, 2014 3:17:37 PM UTC-4, Jonathan Wu wrote:

 Hello,

 We are getting into using the adwords api to automate building shopping
 campaigns for our clients. We just recently found that the Google
 Product Taxonomy
 https://support.google.com/merchants/answer/1705911?hl=en which the
 feeds use for categorization are different from the Product Bidding
 Categories
 https://developers.google.com/adwords/api/docs/reference/v201402/ConstantDataService.ProductBiddingCategory
  used
 in the API. Why was this done? You guys must have some kind of mapping from
 one to the other since you are receiving the items with the product
 taxonomy and taking bids with the product bidding category. Can you provide
 us with that mapping? If this is not possible, the API really is limited in
 any practical use since we can't create any automation for our clients
 without making our own mapping that will need to be updated when you change
 anything on either side.

 Regards,
 Jonathan

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Hello,

We are getting into using the adwords api to automate building shopping 
campaigns for our clients. We just recently found that the Google Product 
Taxonomy https://support.google.com/merchants/answer/1705911?hl=en which 
the feeds use for categorization are different from the Product Bidding 
Categories 
https://developers.google.com/adwords/api/docs/reference/v201402/ConstantDataService.ProductBiddingCategory
 used 
in the API. Why was this done? You guys must have some kind of mapping from 
one to the other since you are receiving the items with the product 
taxonomy and taking bids with the product bidding category. Can you provide 
us with that mapping? If this is not possible, the API really is limited in 
any practical use since we can't create any automation for our clients 
without making our own mapping that will need to be updated when you change 
anything on either side. 

Regards,
Jonathan

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