Re: [AFMUG] WiFi systems

[Dave]

What do you mean by clean handoff?
With the latest firmware I have not seen any issues on any of the E4/5xx 
series with mesh or clients moving from one ap
to the next. There are a few features to help dial it in for great hand 
off. I also noticed that cnmaestro plays a roll in managing the handoff 
as well.

 Hit me off list if you wanna know more on performance and management.



On 10/28/18 9:04 PM, Steve Jones wrote:

does cambium do clean handoff?

On Sun, Oct 28, 2018 at 9:54 AM Sean Heskett > wrote:


We use calix gigacenter 844e and the 804 mesh along with their
support cloud.

Ubiquiti likes to sue it’s customers so we’ve removed them from
our network and will never deploy them again.

-Sean


On Sat, Oct 27, 2018 at 8:38 PM Adam Moffett mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I'm curious general if anyone is selling WiFi systems.  Not
just a
single router, but some kind of integrated package like
AmpliFi.  I see
several options on the market, but AmpliFi is supposed to work
with
Ubiquiti's UNMS software.  Something centrally managed like
that might
be very attractive to me.  I like the idea that when they all
need a
firmware update I just click a button and they all get updated.

-Adam


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Re: [AFMUG] WiFi systems

[Layne Sisk]

It just seems to deal with a noisy environment the best of all the equipment we 
see.  End user plugging in their own router does not cause the problems it does 
with other systems.

Layne Sisk
ServerPlus
801.426.8283, ext 102
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From: AF  On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2018 4:30 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WiFi systems

Last time I looked at Rukus they wanted a grand for an AP.  Must have been 10 
years ago.
I guess that must have changed?
On 10/29/2018 5:15 PM, Layne Sisk wrote:
Rukus is worth looking at, it is rock solid and we love dealing with it.

Layne Sisk
ServerPlus
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From: AF  On Behalf Of 
Tim Cailloux
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2018 7:41 AM
To: Animal Farm Mailing List 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WiFi systems

I do MDUs, hotels, and large residential (5000+ feet) with Unifi.

For MDUs, I set a native/default VLAN on all switch ports with no DHCP/IP and 
no routing.  I then selectively enable ports for devices and tenants.  All 
hardware is on a "device only" management VLAN for the Unifi equipment to talk 
with itself and firewall rules to only allow inter-device communication and 
with the Unifi controller.  Each tenant gets their own VLAN (no inter-VLAN 
routing).  WiFi is an open guest network in the common areas with managed 
DNS/click-through authentication.  Port isolation is enabled on the aggregation 
switches to each cascaded switch, and to each AP to limit broadcast domains.

The hotel setup is similar, with VoIP phones in the mix on dedicated "Guest + 
Tagged VoIP VLANs" for all Ethernet ports and dedicated staff WiFi/VLAN 
networks.  802.1x is coming to these networks soon to provide device 
authentication for the managed/corporate devices.

Firmware updates are tested in the lab, then in a trial network, then scheduled 
for deployment during a maintenance window.  APs are scheduled for upgrade 
first, and then switches get upgraded 30 minutes later.  MDUs happen overnight. 
 Hotels happen during the day, at off-peak hours (like 11AM Wednesday) , while 
staffed, in case there's a guest emergency.

tim

On Sun, Oct 28, 2018 at 10:35 AM Matt Hoppes 
mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>> 
wrote:
So you brick the entire network at one time? ;)

What is your application?  Apartments?  Or single dwelling homes?

On Oct 28, 2018, at 10:19, Tim Cailloux 
mailto:t...@southern-internet.com>> wrote:
I'm using Ubiquiti Unifi for my SMB/large residential customers.  It's got 
virtually everything I need to manage, though it's not single pane-of-glass 
monitoring for the entire network.

I'm using Cambium cnPilot for my residential customers, managed through 
cnMaestro with my other Cambium gear.  It works nicely.

(I'm far enough down the path with an installed Ubiquiti footprint that I'm 
unwilling to migrate the Unifi to cnPilot, and Cambium is only now coming out 
with switches that can be managed through cnMaestro.)

tim

On Sat, Oct 27, 2018 at 11:38 PM Adam Moffett 
mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I'm curious general if anyone is selling WiFi systems.  Not just a
single router, but some kind of integrated package like AmpliFi.  I see
several options on the market, but AmpliFi is supposed to work with
Ubiquiti's UNMS software.  Something centrally managed like that might
be very attractive to me.  I like the idea that when they all need a
firmware update I just click a button and they all get updated.

-Adam


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Re: [AFMUG] Powering Mikrotik CCR from DC

[Roland Houin]

https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/te-connectivity-amp-connectors/3-640429-3/A31241-ND/696763

 

 

Roland

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of SmarterBroadband
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2018 11:42 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Powering Mikrotik CCR from DC

 

Has anyone figured out the make and model of the DC connector?

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of TJ Trout
Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2018 9:14 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Powering Mikrotik CCR from DC

 

I just leave the AC supply in place and unplug it, on the very first CCR's they 
had 2 sets of inputs on the PCB so you could run a true 2+0 setup, without any 
documentation they later removed the IC's that did the redundant switching, 
then the PCB headers, now if you solder in a pcb power header it won't even 
work.

 

Just unplug the AC supply and leave it in place, add the DC Jack on the rear 
and connect it where the AC supply was unplugged, everything except the 1009PC 
I think I would stick with +24vdc

 

Works like a charm.

 

You can even do redundant AC using a meanwell ac-dc supply and a 3d printed 
bracket.

 

If anyone wants to buy a pre-assembled dual AC CCR1036-EM for a few hundred 
more than MRSP I'll let one go, have several spares.

 

3d printed files are available with a quick google.

 

TJ

 

On Sat, Oct 27, 2018 at 8:41 PM Adam Moffett mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Oh interesting.  So you end up with the green terminal block on the Tycon 
sticking out where the AC connector was?  I might steal that idea.

On 10/27/2018 10:34 AM, Trey Scarborough wrote:

the tycon TP-VRHP-4824 work well and can be mounted inside to fit with the end 
with the connector out the plug holes. I have done this with several CCR models.

 

On 10/26/2018 6:27 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:

Just ordered a couple of RSD-100C-24 to test….

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2018 4:09 PM
To: AFMUG   
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Powering Mikrotik CCR from DC

 

Yep, they definitely have a 24v power supply (RouterOS reports the voltage as 
24v, even). I would guess that they won't run on higher voltage because they 
use quite a bit more power than the 1009. 

 

If you need to run them on 48v, it's probably best to just use a DC-DC 
converter and be done with it. In fact, I bet you could even fit something like 
a Meanwell RSD right inside the case in place of the AC power supply.

 

On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 5:29 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

This would seem to imply they want 24 volts:

https://www.streakwave.com/itemdesc.asp?ic=24V4APOW

 

It’s possible they could also accept 48 volts, but without some assurance 
that’s true, I wouldn’t risk it.

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of SmarterBroadband
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2018 4:08 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Powering Mikrotik CCR from DC

 

We already have 1016 and 1032 at all our sites.   Therefore I would like to use 
them.   +48v would be great 

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2018 1:22 PM
To: AFMUG mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Powering Mikrotik CCR from DC

 

I'm pretty sure the 4011 doesn't have an internal power supply. I think it's 
just got a normal AC adapter, like 2011 and 3011. it'll also take 12-57v (same 
as the 1100AHx4, I think).

 

There's at least one model of CCR (a 1009, I don't know if they ever did that 
with anything bigger) that's made for DC and doesn't have an internal power 
supply.

 

On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 2:47 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

If you’re willing to downsize a bit from the CCR, the 1100AHx4 has a 48VDC 
terminal block on the back in addition to 2 AC power supplies.  It has switch 
chips though, each Ethernet port isn’t connected directly to the CPU, so there 
are some 2.5 Gbps bottlenecks, plus it has less total CPU horsepower.  It also 
seems a shame to waste the AC power supplies.  Makes it easy to power them up 
on the bench though.  The soon-to-be-available 4011 has the same CPU but AFAIK 
doesn’t have a DC power input except maybe for POE.

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2018 2:23 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Powering Mikrotik CCR from DC

 

Yes I've done that many times.
I don't know what their acceptable range is, so I use a regulated DC-DC 
converter to give it exactly 24V.  I've used Meanwell and Traco coverters.

I drill a hole in the back of the CCR case and feed a heavy jacketed 16/2 
through it and secure it with a zip tie on the inside of the case.  There are 
two tiny holes near the corner that are just right to 

Re: [AFMUG] Powering Mikrotik CCR from DC

[SmarterBroadband]

Has anyone figured out the make and model of the DC connector?

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of TJ Trout
Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2018 9:14 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Powering Mikrotik CCR from DC

 

I just leave the AC supply in place and unplug it, on the very first CCR's they 
had 2 sets of inputs on the PCB so you could run a true 2+0 setup, without any 
documentation they later removed the IC's that did the redundant switching, 
then the PCB headers, now if you solder in a pcb power header it won't even 
work.

 

Just unplug the AC supply and leave it in place, add the DC Jack on the rear 
and connect it where the AC supply was unplugged, everything except the 1009PC 
I think I would stick with +24vdc

 

Works like a charm.

 

You can even do redundant AC using a meanwell ac-dc supply and a 3d printed 
bracket.

 

If anyone wants to buy a pre-assembled dual AC CCR1036-EM for a few hundred 
more than MRSP I'll let one go, have several spares.

 

3d printed files are available with a quick google.

 

TJ

 

On Sat, Oct 27, 2018 at 8:41 PM Adam Moffett mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Oh interesting.  So you end up with the green terminal block on the Tycon 
sticking out where the AC connector was?  I might steal that idea.

On 10/27/2018 10:34 AM, Trey Scarborough wrote:

the tycon TP-VRHP-4824 work well and can be mounted inside to fit with the end 
with the connector out the plug holes. I have done this with several CCR models.

 

On 10/26/2018 6:27 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:

Just ordered a couple of RSD-100C-24 to test….

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2018 4:09 PM
To: AFMUG   
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Powering Mikrotik CCR from DC

 

Yep, they definitely have a 24v power supply (RouterOS reports the voltage as 
24v, even). I would guess that they won't run on higher voltage because they 
use quite a bit more power than the 1009. 

 

If you need to run them on 48v, it's probably best to just use a DC-DC 
converter and be done with it. In fact, I bet you could even fit something like 
a Meanwell RSD right inside the case in place of the AC power supply.

 

On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 5:29 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

This would seem to imply they want 24 volts:

https://www.streakwave.com/itemdesc.asp?ic=24V4APOW

 

It’s possible they could also accept 48 volts, but without some assurance 
that’s true, I wouldn’t risk it.

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of SmarterBroadband
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2018 4:08 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Powering Mikrotik CCR from DC

 

We already have 1016 and 1032 at all our sites.   Therefore I would like to use 
them.   +48v would be great 

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2018 1:22 PM
To: AFMUG mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Powering Mikrotik CCR from DC

 

I'm pretty sure the 4011 doesn't have an internal power supply. I think it's 
just got a normal AC adapter, like 2011 and 3011. it'll also take 12-57v (same 
as the 1100AHx4, I think).

 

There's at least one model of CCR (a 1009, I don't know if they ever did that 
with anything bigger) that's made for DC and doesn't have an internal power 
supply.

 

On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 2:47 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

If you’re willing to downsize a bit from the CCR, the 1100AHx4 has a 48VDC 
terminal block on the back in addition to 2 AC power supplies.  It has switch 
chips though, each Ethernet port isn’t connected directly to the CPU, so there 
are some 2.5 Gbps bottlenecks, plus it has less total CPU horsepower.  It also 
seems a shame to waste the AC power supplies.  Makes it easy to power them up 
on the bench though.  The soon-to-be-available 4011 has the same CPU but AFAIK 
doesn’t have a DC power input except maybe for POE.

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2018 2:23 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Powering Mikrotik CCR from DC

 

Yes I've done that many times.
I don't know what their acceptable range is, so I use a regulated DC-DC 
converter to give it exactly 24V.  I've used Meanwell and Traco coverters.

I drill a hole in the back of the CCR case and feed a heavy jacketed 16/2 
through it and secure it with a zip tie on the inside of the case.  There are 
two tiny holes near the corner that are just right to feed a little zip tie 
throughI'm not sure what their actual purpose is, but they are perfect to 
secure the DC cable.

The polarity is not marked on the motherboard, so I always verify the polarity 
of the existing power wire and mark a + on the white plug with a sharpie.  I 
leave the AC brick in their with the DC 

Re: [AFMUG] WiFi systems

[Mike Hammett]

or he's confusing it with a different brand? I know one of the brands is like 
that. Aruba, maybe? 




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Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




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From: "Chris Fabien"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2018 9:13:13 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WiFi systems 


Rory we have ruckus gear in operation with on-site controllers that is way out 
of support and still working ok? Is that only true for some of their products? 




On Mon, Oct 29, 2018, 5:34 PM Rory Conaway < r...@triadwireless.net > wrote: 





They also have yearly support fees and will shut your equipment off if you 
don’t pay. They also have the same warranty as Ubiquiti. They make good stuff, 
just have to decide if it’s worth the value. 

Rory 



From: AF [mailto: af-boun...@af.afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Layne Sisk 
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2018 2:15 PM 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WiFi systems 

Rukus is worth looking at, it is rock solid and we love dealing with it. 

Layne Sisk 
ServerPlus 
801.426.8283, ext 102 
New logo xl
http://i.imgur.com/VOz763A.png
http://i.imgur.com/xvQYYWa.png
http://i.imgur.com/ELG0AB1.png
Utah 100fast50-01Inc 5000

From: AF < af-boun...@af.afmug.com > On Behalf Of Tim Cailloux 
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2018 7:41 AM 
To: Animal Farm Mailing List < af@af.afmug.com > 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WiFi systems 


I do MDUs, hotels, and large residential (5000+ feet) with Unifi. 



For MDUs, I set a native/default VLAN on all switch ports with no DHCP/IP and 
no routing. I then selectively enable ports for devices and tenants. All 
hardware is on a "device only" management VLAN for the Unifi equipment to talk 
with itself and firewall rules to only allow inter-device communication and 
with the Unifi controller. Each tenant gets their own VLAN (no inter-VLAN 
routing). WiFi is an open guest network in the common areas with managed 
DNS/click-through authentication. Port isolation is enabled on the aggregation 
switches to each cascaded switch, and to each AP to limit broadcast domains. 



The hotel setup is similar, with VoIP phones in the mix on dedicated "Guest + 
Tagged VoIP VLANs" for all Ethernet ports and dedicated staff WiFi/VLAN 
networks. 802.1x is coming to these networks soon to provide device 
authentication for the managed/corporate devices. 



Firmware updates are tested in the lab, then in a trial network, then scheduled 
for deployment during a maintenance window. APs are scheduled for upgrade 
first, and then switches get upgraded 30 minutes later. MDUs happen overnight. 
Hotels happen during the day, at off-peak hours (like 11AM Wednesday) , while 
staffed, in case there's a guest emergency. 



tim 



On Sun, Oct 28, 2018 at 10:35 AM Matt Hoppes < 
mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net > wrote: 




So you brick the entire network at one time? ;) 



What is your application? Apartments? Or single dwelling homes? 


On Oct 28, 2018, at 10:19, Tim Cailloux < t...@southern-internet.com > wrote: 




I'm using Ubiquiti Unifi for my SMB/large residential customers. It's got 
virtually everything I need to manage, though it's not single pane-of-glass 
monitoring for the entire network. 



I'm using Cambium cnPilot for my residential customers, managed through 
cnMaestro with my other Cambium gear. It works nicely. 



(I'm far enough down the path with an installed Ubiquiti footprint that I'm 
unwilling to migrate the Unifi to cnPilot, and Cambium is only now coming out 
with switches that can be managed through cnMaestro.) 



tim 



On Sat, Oct 27, 2018 at 11:38 PM Adam Moffett < dmmoff...@gmail.com > wrote: 


I'm curious general if anyone is selling WiFi systems. Not just a 
single router, but some kind of integrated package like AmpliFi. I see 
several options on the market, but AmpliFi is supposed to work with 
Ubiquiti's UNMS software. Something centrally managed like that might 
be very attractive to me. I like the idea that when they all need a 
firmware update I just click a button and they all get updated. 

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