Re: [AFMUG] OT: Tax cut my ass...

[Ken Hohhof]

All state and local taxes (SALT) limited to $10K deduction so income tax, sales 
tax, and property tax.  Trust me, it's not hard to exceed $10K in property 
taxes alone.  Also property tax is typically local, not state, and in many 
areas is the primary means of funding public schools.

Real estate tax on farmland used for crops and livestock is still 100% 
deductible.


-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
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Yeah, our taxes don't reach that threshold. Mainly because we bought our house 
over 2 decades ago, and Prop. 13 keeps the valuation from rising too fast.


bp


On 3/31/2019 6:22 PM, Seth Mattinen wrote:
> On 3/31/19 5:03 PM, justsumname wrote:
>> The IRS website shows what changed.   Tax rates did in fact go 
>> down... but deductions were eliminated and/or capped lower and so 
>> that's where the sticker shock is coming from.   Itemized deductions 
>> were capped at 10k for example, if I remember correctly.
>>
>> Two observations ... a very broad brush summary:
>>
>> --no longer are people with big mortgages being tax-subsidized by 
>> people with smaller mortgages --no longer are States with low(er) 
>> property taxes tax-subsidizing States with high(er) property taxes
>>
>
>
> State and local income tax is capped at $10k deduction.
> https://www.irs.gov/newsroom/tax-reform-brought-significant-changes-to
> -itemized-deductions
>
>
> Mortgages are capped at $750k for new mortgages after Dec 31, 2017.
> https://www.irs.gov/publications/p936
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Tax cut my ass...

[Bill Prince]

Yeah, our taxes don't reach that threshold. Mainly because we bought our 
house over 2 decades ago, and Prop. 13 keeps the valuation from rising 
too fast.



bp


On 3/31/2019 6:22 PM, Seth Mattinen wrote:

On 3/31/19 5:03 PM, justsumname wrote:
The IRS website shows what changed.   Tax rates did in fact go 
down... but deductions were eliminated and/or capped lower and so 
that's where the sticker shock is coming from.   Itemized deductions 
were capped at 10k for example, if I remember correctly.


Two observations ... a very broad brush summary:

--no longer are people with big mortgages being tax-subsidized by 
people with smaller mortgages
--no longer are States with low(er) property taxes tax-subsidizing 
States with high(er) property taxes





State and local income tax is capped at $10k deduction.
https://www.irs.gov/newsroom/tax-reform-brought-significant-changes-to-itemized-deductions 



Mortgages are capped at $750k for new mortgages after Dec 31, 2017.
https://www.irs.gov/publications/p936



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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Tax cut my ass...

[Seth Mattinen]

On 3/31/19 5:03 PM, justsumname wrote:
The IRS website shows what changed.   Tax rates did in fact go down... 
but deductions were eliminated and/or capped lower and so that's where 
the sticker shock is coming from.   Itemized deductions were capped at 
10k for example, if I remember correctly.


Two observations ... a very broad brush summary:

--no longer are people with big mortgages being tax-subsidized by people 
with smaller mortgages
--no longer are States with low(er) property taxes tax-subsidizing 
States with high(er) property taxes





State and local income tax is capped at $10k deduction.
https://www.irs.gov/newsroom/tax-reform-brought-significant-changes-to-itemized-deductions

Mortgages are capped at $750k for new mortgages after Dec 31, 2017.
https://www.irs.gov/publications/p936

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Tax cut my ass...

[Tim Hardy]

wrong - the deduction for taxes - state, property, sales, etc. was capped at 
$10K.  If itemized deductions were capped at $10K there would be a lot of 
unhappy campers out there!


> On Mar 31, 2019, at 8:03 PM, justsumname  wrote:
> 
> The IRS website shows what changed.   Tax rates did in fact go down... but 
> deductions were eliminated and/or capped lower and so that's where the 
> sticker shock is coming from.   Itemized deductions were capped at 10k for 
> example, if I remember correctly.
> 
> Two observations ... a very broad brush summary:
> 
> --no longer are people with big mortgages being tax-subsidized by people with 
> smaller mortgages
> --no longer are States with low(er) property taxes tax-subsidizing States 
> with high(er) property taxes
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, Mar 29, 2019 at 9:57 PM Bill Prince  > wrote:
> 
> Bet that smarts.
> 
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> 
> 
> On Fri, Mar 29, 2019 at 6:43 PM Ken Hohhof  > wrote:
> Anal tax?
> 
>  
> 
> From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf 
> Of ch...@wbmfg.com 
> Sent: Friday, March 29, 2019 6:26 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  >
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Tax cut my ass...
> 
>  
> 
> I have a pretty scrupulous CPA and an equally anal tax attorney.  If I ever 
> get it trouble it will be a huge surprise. 
> 
>  
> 
> From: Ken Hohhof
> 
> Sent: Friday, March 29, 2019 4:57 PM
> 
> To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Tax cut my ass...
> 
>  
> 
> There was an article in the paper I think today about how the IRS doesn’t 
> have the staff to go after people who don’t pay their taxes, it used Michael 
> Avenatti as an example.
> 
> https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/28/opinion/irs-taxes.html 
> 
>  
> 
> There was also an article online about how the FCC and FTC hardly ever 
> collect any of their fines.
> 
> https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2019/03/fcc-fined-robocallers-208-million-since-2015-but-collected-only-6790/
>  
> 
>  
> 
> So apparently the answer is just don’t pay your taxes.  Heck be like Avenatti 
> and don’t even file.
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf 
> Of Carl Peterson
> Sent: Friday, March 29, 2019 5:49 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  >
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Tax cut my ass...
> 
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> 
> Clearly you don't make enough money to deserve a tax cut...  I kid.  The 
> increase in the standard deduction is great though.  Paves the way for a 
> future administration to get rid of the formerly sacred mortgage interest 
> deduction.  
> 
>  
> 
> On Fri, Mar 29, 2019 at 1:26 PM Bill Prince  > wrote:
> 
>  
> 
> Just got my completed 2018 tax return. I'm kind of stunned. My income went up 
> by 8%, but my tax liability went up by 417%
> 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review

[Bill Prince]

I guess my memory of the last time I went there is a bit fuzzy. 
Interestingly, the place in Sunnyvale that used to be Sambo's is still a 
restaurant called Hobee's. Same basic architecture, so I still think of 
it as Sambo's I guess.



bp


On 3/31/2019 5:28 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Hmmm, I went to the Wikipedia article on Sambo's and it's interesting
reading.  As I suspected, the founder was named Sam, but then ... well,
check it out on Wikipedia.

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
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To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review 

They had Sambos here in the bay area until the mid-late '90s.


bp


On 3/31/2019 1:26 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

We had Sambos restaurants in Oregon when I grew up.

Sent from my iPhone


On Mar 31, 2019, at 9:45 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

Have they seen the original animated version?  It has been kind of
buried because the depiction of the roustabouts and the jive-talking
crows are considered racist.  On the other hand I always thought the
lesson of the movie was not to discriminate against a person (or
elephant) because of how they look, and that the roustabouts and crows

were depicted favorably vs.

the greedy circus owners.  If you can get past the controversy, it is
one of the Disney classics.  As a kid I loved the sequence where the
train goes through the rain and then the elephants and roustabouts
set up the circus in the next town.  I guess maybe people would also
object to the grandkids seeing Dumbo get drunk.  But who can forget "pink

elephants on parade"?

The reviews I have seen on the Tim Burton version have been negative,
style over substance, and with no heart.

As far as the controversy, at least not as bad as Song of the South,
which I don't believe has ever been released for home video.  Not
really a classic of animation like Dumbo though.  It does seem a
shame that anything derived from the Uncle Remus stories are banished
now.  Br'er Rabbit and his friends came from African folk tales, and
I have always thought the story about the tar baby said a lot about human

nature, although it sounds quite offensive.

Sometimes a tar baby is just a baby made out of tar.

Cleaning out a bunch of books and taking them to an annual charity
book sale, I came across a copy of Little Black Sambo.  That one did
not go to the book sale, they probably would have burned it.  But
sometimes, watching the U.S. Congress or the U.K. Parliament, I expect

them to turn into butter.


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Subject: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review 

My grandkids hate my keyboard...  security device I guess.

Saw Dumbo with them yesterday.
They seemed to like it, I thought it was pretty poor.




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Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review

[Ken Hohhof]

Hmmm, I went to the Wikipedia article on Sambo's and it's interesting
reading.  As I suspected, the founder was named Sam, but then ... well,
check it out on Wikipedia.

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
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To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review 

They had Sambos here in the bay area until the mid-late '90s.


bp


On 3/31/2019 1:26 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
> We had Sambos restaurants in Oregon when I grew up.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Mar 31, 2019, at 9:45 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>
>> Have they seen the original animated version?  It has been kind of 
>> buried because the depiction of the roustabouts and the jive-talking 
>> crows are considered racist.  On the other hand I always thought the 
>> lesson of the movie was not to discriminate against a person (or 
>> elephant) because of how they look, and that the roustabouts and crows
were depicted favorably vs.
>> the greedy circus owners.  If you can get past the controversy, it is 
>> one of the Disney classics.  As a kid I loved the sequence where the 
>> train goes through the rain and then the elephants and roustabouts 
>> set up the circus in the next town.  I guess maybe people would also 
>> object to the grandkids seeing Dumbo get drunk.  But who can forget "pink
elephants on parade"?
>>
>> The reviews I have seen on the Tim Burton version have been negative, 
>> style over substance, and with no heart.
>>
>> As far as the controversy, at least not as bad as Song of the South, 
>> which I don't believe has ever been released for home video.  Not 
>> really a classic of animation like Dumbo though.  It does seem a 
>> shame that anything derived from the Uncle Remus stories are banished 
>> now.  Br'er Rabbit and his friends came from African folk tales, and 
>> I have always thought the story about the tar baby said a lot about human
nature, although it sounds quite offensive.
>> Sometimes a tar baby is just a baby made out of tar.
>>
>> Cleaning out a bunch of books and taking them to an annual charity 
>> book sale, I came across a copy of Little Black Sambo.  That one did 
>> not go to the book sale, they probably would have burned it.  But 
>> sometimes, watching the U.S. Congress or the U.K. Parliament, I expect
them to turn into butter.
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
>> Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2019 9:36 AM
>> To: af@af.afmug.com
>> Subject: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review 
>>
>> My grandkids hate my keyboard...  security device I guess.
>>
>> Saw Dumbo with them yesterday.
>> They seemed to like it, I thought it was pretty poor.
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Tax cut my ass...

[justsumname]

The IRS website shows what changed.   Tax rates did in fact go down... but
deductions were eliminated and/or capped lower and so that's where the
sticker shock is coming from.   Itemized deductions were capped at 10k for
example, if I remember correctly.

Two observations ... a very broad brush summary:

--no longer are people with big mortgages being tax-subsidized by people
with smaller mortgages
--no longer are States with low(er) property taxes tax-subsidizing States
with high(er) property taxes



On Fri, Mar 29, 2019 at 9:57 PM Bill Prince  wrote:

>
> Bet that smarts.
>
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>
>
> On Fri, Mar 29, 2019 at 6:43 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>> Anal tax?
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
>> *Sent:* Friday, March 29, 2019 6:26 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Tax cut my ass...
>>
>>
>>
>> I have a pretty scrupulous CPA and an equally anal tax attorney.  If I
>> ever get it trouble it will be a huge surprise.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Ken Hohhof
>>
>> *Sent:* Friday, March 29, 2019 4:57 PM
>>
>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Tax cut my ass...
>>
>>
>>
>> There was an article in the paper I think today about how the IRS doesn’t
>> have the staff to go after people who don’t pay their taxes, it used
>> Michael Avenatti as an example.
>>
>> https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/28/opinion/irs-taxes.html
>>
>>
>>
>> There was also an article online about how the FCC and FTC hardly ever
>> collect any of their fines.
>>
>>
>> https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2019/03/fcc-fined-robocallers-208-million-since-2015-but-collected-only-6790/
>>
>>
>>
>> So apparently the answer is just don’t pay your taxes.  Heck be like
>> Avenatti and don’t even file.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Carl Peterson
>> *Sent:* Friday, March 29, 2019 5:49 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Tax cut my ass...
>>
>>
>>
>> Clearly you don't make enough money to deserve a tax cut...  I kid.  The
>> increase in the standard deduction is great though.  Paves the way for a
>> future administration to get rid of the formerly sacred mortgage interest
>> deduction.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 29, 2019 at 1:26 PM Bill Prince  wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Just got my completed 2018 tax return. I'm kind of stunned. My income
>> went up by 8%, but my tax liability went up by 417%
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT blues, skiing & eating at Snowbird Utah. Harry Lee on stage.

[Robert Andrews]

Sweet!

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Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review

[Bill Prince]

They had Sambos here in the bay area until the mid-late '90s.


bp


On 3/31/2019 1:26 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

We had Sambos restaurants in Oregon when I grew up.

Sent from my iPhone


On Mar 31, 2019, at 9:45 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

Have they seen the original animated version?  It has been kind of buried
because the depiction of the roustabouts and the jive-talking crows are
considered racist.  On the other hand I always thought the lesson of the
movie was not to discriminate against a person (or elephant) because of how
they look, and that the roustabouts and crows were depicted favorably vs.
the greedy circus owners.  If you can get past the controversy, it is one of
the Disney classics.  As a kid I loved the sequence where the train goes
through the rain and then the elephants and roustabouts set up the circus in
the next town.  I guess maybe people would also object to the grandkids
seeing Dumbo get drunk.  But who can forget "pink elephants on parade"?

The reviews I have seen on the Tim Burton version have been negative, style
over substance, and with no heart.

As far as the controversy, at least not as bad as Song of the South, which I
don't believe has ever been released for home video.  Not really a classic
of animation like Dumbo though.  It does seem a shame that anything derived
from the Uncle Remus stories are banished now.  Br'er Rabbit and his friends
came from African folk tales, and I have always thought the story about the
tar baby said a lot about human nature, although it sounds quite offensive.
Sometimes a tar baby is just a baby made out of tar.

Cleaning out a bunch of books and taking them to an annual charity book
sale, I came across a copy of Little Black Sambo.  That one did not go to
the book sale, they probably would have burned it.  But sometimes, watching
the U.S. Congress or the U.K. Parliament, I expect them to turn into butter.


-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2019 9:36 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review 

My grandkids hate my keyboard...  security device I guess.

Saw Dumbo with them yesterday.
They seemed to like it, I thought it was pretty poor.




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Re: [AFMUG] OT blues, skiing & eating at Snowbird Utah. Harry Lee on stage.

[can...@believewireless.net]

Been years since I've been to Snowbird. Time to go back I guess!

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Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review & Ugh

[Chuck McCown]

I avoid the whole subject.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 31, 2019, at 2:15 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Saw unplanned with the wife yesterday.
> Um. Ugh.
> 
> Well I felt it was very biased and geared towards a particular group.
> 
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> Date: Sun, Mar 31, 2019 9:36 AM
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review

[Chuck McCown]

We had Sambos restaurants in Oregon when I grew up.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 31, 2019, at 9:45 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> 
> Have they seen the original animated version?  It has been kind of buried
> because the depiction of the roustabouts and the jive-talking crows are
> considered racist.  On the other hand I always thought the lesson of the
> movie was not to discriminate against a person (or elephant) because of how
> they look, and that the roustabouts and crows were depicted favorably vs.
> the greedy circus owners.  If you can get past the controversy, it is one of
> the Disney classics.  As a kid I loved the sequence where the train goes
> through the rain and then the elephants and roustabouts set up the circus in
> the next town.  I guess maybe people would also object to the grandkids
> seeing Dumbo get drunk.  But who can forget "pink elephants on parade"?
> 
> The reviews I have seen on the Tim Burton version have been negative, style
> over substance, and with no heart.
> 
> As far as the controversy, at least not as bad as Song of the South, which I
> don't believe has ever been released for home video.  Not really a classic
> of animation like Dumbo though.  It does seem a shame that anything derived
> from the Uncle Remus stories are banished now.  Br'er Rabbit and his friends
> came from African folk tales, and I have always thought the story about the
> tar baby said a lot about human nature, although it sounds quite offensive.
> Sometimes a tar baby is just a baby made out of tar.
> 
> Cleaning out a bunch of books and taking them to an annual charity book
> sale, I came across a copy of Little Black Sambo.  That one did not go to
> the book sale, they probably would have burned it.  But sometimes, watching
> the U.S. Congress or the U.K. Parliament, I expect them to turn into butter.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
> Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2019 9:36 AM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review 
> 
> My grandkids hate my keyboard...  security device I guess.
> 
> Saw Dumbo with them yesterday.  
> They seemed to like it, I thought it was pretty poor.  
> 
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[AFMUG] OT Movie Review & Ugh

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

Saw unplanned with the wife yesterday.
Um. Ugh.

Well I felt it was very biased and geared towards a particular group.


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Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review

[Steve Jones]

There was a huge post in a foster parents group warning this movie is
terrible and will trigger foster kids because the kid has to "earn" it's
mother's love and a bunch of other nonsense, apparently even politically
correct remakes are offensive

On Sun, Mar 31, 2019, 10:46 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Have they seen the original animated version?  It has been kind of buried
> because the depiction of the roustabouts and the jive-talking crows are
> considered racist.  On the other hand I always thought the lesson of the
> movie was not to discriminate against a person (or elephant) because of how
> they look, and that the roustabouts and crows were depicted favorably vs.
> the greedy circus owners.  If you can get past the controversy, it is one
> of
> the Disney classics.  As a kid I loved the sequence where the train goes
> through the rain and then the elephants and roustabouts set up the circus
> in
> the next town.  I guess maybe people would also object to the grandkids
> seeing Dumbo get drunk.  But who can forget "pink elephants on parade"?
>
> The reviews I have seen on the Tim Burton version have been negative, style
> over substance, and with no heart.
>
> As far as the controversy, at least not as bad as Song of the South, which
> I
> don't believe has ever been released for home video.  Not really a classic
> of animation like Dumbo though.  It does seem a shame that anything derived
> from the Uncle Remus stories are banished now.  Br'er Rabbit and his
> friends
> came from African folk tales, and I have always thought the story about the
> tar baby said a lot about human nature, although it sounds quite offensive.
> Sometimes a tar baby is just a baby made out of tar.
>
> Cleaning out a bunch of books and taking them to an annual charity book
> sale, I came across a copy of Little Black Sambo.  That one did not go to
> the book sale, they probably would have burned it.  But sometimes, watching
> the U.S. Congress or the U.K. Parliament, I expect them to turn into
> butter.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
> Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2019 9:36 AM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review 
>
> My grandkids hate my keyboard...  security device I guess.
>
> Saw Dumbo with them yesterday.
> They seemed to like it, I thought it was pretty poor.
>
>
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 820C -48v power supply questions

[Ken Hohhof]

The Cambium installation guide says the positive side of the DC power supply 
should be grounded.  (see attached)

 

I don’t know that I trust it.  Doesn’t help that it sounds like it was run 
through Google Translate.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2019 10:57 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 820C -48v power supply questions

 

It would be simple enough to determine if the device has a floating ground or 
not. Simply start with a power supply that has a floating output and connect it 
to the power input. Then measure the potential between ground and each leg.

I have done this in the past with a few different Dragonwave radios. In all the 
cases I looked at, they were floating. This, in spite of the fact that they 
were listed as -48V devices.

 

bp

 

On 3/31/2019 8:51 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Yes it is basically a rebranded Ceragon IP20 but still, that’s pretty sad, if 
Cambium support can’t answer a question about how to power it.  It’s hard to 
believe nobody at Cambium knows the answer, and if they really don’t, they 
could call Israel and ask.

 

 

From: AF    On Behalf 
Of Jeremy
Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2019 10:37 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group   
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 820C -48v power supply questions

 

I am using the DC power connector, not POE.  I spoke with Cambium and they did 
not seem to have the answer as to whether or not this would work, and the 
details of their -48v being floating or not.

 

On Sat, Mar 30, 2019 at 4:55 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

It sounds like he wants to use the DC power connector.

 

Cambium doesn’t do a very good job of answering the question in any of their 
documentation.  Several places they refer to the direct DC power as -48 which I 
would take to mean positive side grounded.

 

One tends to assume that when powering via POE, the radio takes the DC from the 
Ethernet transformers and uses it just like it would direct DC power, but I’m 
kind of getting the impression that’s not true.

 

PTP820C/S can definitely accept floating power via POE, and I could swear I 
have several sites using +48 VDC power (negative side grounded) for POE via a 
GIGE-POE-APC.

Keep in mind that no matter which side of the power supply is grounded, + goes 
to + and - goes to -.  That seems to confuse some people.

 

You might want to open a support case on the Cambium website and get them to 
answer the question.

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Gino A. Villarini
Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2019 2:59 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 820C -48v power supply questions

 

Are you using Trango POE? IIRC it’s a proprietary pinout.. 

 

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Founder/President
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From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > on behalf 
of Jeremy mailto:jeremysmi...@gmail.com> >
Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Date: Saturday, March 30, 2019 at 12:12 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: [AFMUG] Cambium 820C -48v power supply questions

 

I am confused.  I have a 6A rackmount Trango Power supply 
http://www.silverbranch.com/Useppa/DS-9030-C-Giga-PowerSupply-1U-48.pdf that I 
would like to use to power an 820C.  I hooked it up -48v and it would not power 
on.  I hooked it up +48v and it worked perfectly.  This is on the bench and not 
installed.  I am hearing from others on here that the power supply will short 
as soon as I ground the radio if I actually run it at +48v.  So I have a few 
questionswhy won't this power up at -48v?  I really don't want to use POE.  
What are people using to power these?  Any reason that this Trango Power supply 
should be not working? 

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Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 820C -48v power supply questions

[Bill Prince]

  
  
It would be simple enough to determine if the device has a
  floating ground or not. Simply start with a power supply that has
  a floating output and connect it to the power input. Then measure
  the potential between ground and each leg.
I have done this in the past with a few different Dragonwave
  radios. In all the cases I looked at, they were floating. This, in
  spite of the fact that they were listed as -48V devices.


bp



On 3/31/2019 8:51 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


  
  
  
  
  
Yes it is basically a rebranded Ceragon
  IP20 but still, that’s pretty sad, if Cambium support can’t
  answer a question about how to power it.  It’s hard to believe
  nobody at Cambium knows the answer, and if they really don’t,
  they could call Israel and ask.
 
 
From: AF
   On Behalf Of Jeremy
  Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2019 10:37 AM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
  
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 820C -48v power supply
  questions
 

  I am using the DC power connector, not
POE.  I spoke with Cambium and they did not seem to have the
answer as to whether or not this would work, and the details
of their -48v being floating or not.

 

  
On Sat, Mar 30, 2019 at 4:55 PM Ken
  Hohhof  wrote:
  
  

  
It
  sounds like he wants to use the DC power connector.
 
Cambium
  doesn’t do a very good job of answering the question
  in any of their documentation.  Several places they
  refer to the direct DC power as -48 which I would take
  to mean positive side grounded.
 
One
  tends to assume that when powering via POE, the radio
  takes the DC from the Ethernet transformers and uses
  it just like it would direct DC power, but I’m kind of
  getting the impression that’s not true.
 
PTP820C/S
  can definitely accept floating power via POE, and I
  could swear I have several sites using +48 VDC power
  (negative side grounded) for POE via a GIGE-POE-APC.
Keep
  in mind that no matter which side of the power supply
  is grounded, + goes to + and - goes to -.  That seems
  to confuse some people.
 
You
  might want to open a support case on the Cambium
  website and get them to answer the question.
 

  
From:
  AF 
  On Behalf Of Gino A. Villarini
  Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2019 2:59 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 820C -48v
  power supply questions
  

 
Are
  you using Trango POE? IIRC it’s a proprietary pinout..
  
 
Gino Villarini 
Founder/President
@gvillarini
t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204 
m: 

  

  

  
  

  
  
 
  
  
 
  
  
 
  
  
 
  
  
 
  
  
  

  

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  Suite 304 Guaynabo, PR 00968

  From: AF 
  on behalf of Jeremy 
  Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
  
  Date: Saturday, March 30, 2019 at 12:12 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: [AFMUG] Cambium 820C -48v power
  supply questions


  

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 820C -48v power supply questions

[Ken Hohhof]

Yes it is basically a rebranded Ceragon IP20 but still, that’s pretty sad, if 
Cambium support can’t answer a question about how to power it.  It’s hard to 
believe nobody at Cambium knows the answer, and if they really don’t, they 
could call Israel and ask.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Jeremy
Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2019 10:37 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 820C -48v power supply questions

 

I am using the DC power connector, not POE.  I spoke with Cambium and they did 
not seem to have the answer as to whether or not this would work, and the 
details of their -48v being floating or not.

 

On Sat, Mar 30, 2019 at 4:55 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

It sounds like he wants to use the DC power connector.

 

Cambium doesn’t do a very good job of answering the question in any of their 
documentation.  Several places they refer to the direct DC power as -48 which I 
would take to mean positive side grounded.

 

One tends to assume that when powering via POE, the radio takes the DC from the 
Ethernet transformers and uses it just like it would direct DC power, but I’m 
kind of getting the impression that’s not true.

 

PTP820C/S can definitely accept floating power via POE, and I could swear I 
have several sites using +48 VDC power (negative side grounded) for POE via a 
GIGE-POE-APC.

Keep in mind that no matter which side of the power supply is grounded, + goes 
to + and - goes to -.  That seems to confuse some people.

 

You might want to open a support case on the Cambium website and get them to 
answer the question.

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Gino A. Villarini
Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2019 2:59 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 820C -48v power supply questions

 

Are you using Trango POE? IIRC it’s a proprietary pinout.. 

 

Gino Villarini 
Founder/President
@gvillarini
t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204 
m: 


  

  

   

   

   

 

  

   



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From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > on behalf 
of Jeremy mailto:jeremysmi...@gmail.com> >
Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Date: Saturday, March 30, 2019 at 12:12 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: [AFMUG] Cambium 820C -48v power supply questions

 

I am confused.  I have a 6A rackmount Trango Power supply 
http://www.silverbranch.com/Useppa/DS-9030-C-Giga-PowerSupply-1U-48.pdf that I 
would like to use to power an 820C.  I hooked it up -48v and it would not power 
on.  I hooked it up +48v and it worked perfectly.  This is on the bench and not 
installed.  I am hearing from others on here that the power supply will short 
as soon as I ground the radio if I actually run it at +48v.  So I have a few 
questionswhy won't this power up at -48v?  I really don't want to use POE.  
What are people using to power these?  Any reason that this Trango Power supply 
should be not working? 

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Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 820C -48v power supply questions

[Bill Prince]

  
  
If the power supply has a floating output, it should not matter
  whether the device grounds one side or the other. You just need to
  get the polarity correct.
If there are other devices on the same power, it will make all
  the difference in the world if even one of them grounds the
  opposite polarity.


bp



On 3/31/2019 8:36 AM, Jeremy wrote:


  
  I am using the DC power connector, not POE.  I
spoke with Cambium and they did not seem to have the answer as
to whether or not this would work, and the details of their -48v
being floating or not.
  
  
  
On Sat, Mar 30, 2019 at 4:55
  PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:


  

  It sounds like he wants to use the DC
power connector.
   
  Cambium doesn’t do a very good job of
answering the question in any of their documentation. 
Several places they refer to the direct DC power as -48
which I would take to mean positive side grounded.
   
  One tends to assume that when
powering via POE, the radio takes the DC from the
Ethernet transformers and uses it just like it would
direct DC power, but I’m kind of getting the impression
that’s not true.
   
  PTP820C/S can definitely accept
floating power via POE, and I could swear I have several
sites using +48 VDC power (negative side grounded) for
POE via a GIGE-POE-APC.

  
  Keep in mind that no matter which
side of the power supply is grounded, + goes to + and -
goes to -.  That seems to confuse some people.
   
  You might want to open a support case
on the Cambium website and get them to answer the
question.
   
  

  From: AF 
On Behalf Of Gino A. Villarini
Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2019 2:59 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 820C -48v power
supply questions

  
   
  Are you using Trango POE? IIRC it’s a
proprietary pinout.. 
   
  Gino Villarini 
  Founder/President
  @gvillarini
  t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204 
  m: 
  

  

  


  


   


   


   


   


   



  

  
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From: AF 
on behalf of Jeremy 
Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group

Date: Saturday, March 30, 2019 at 12:12 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] Cambium 820C -48v power
supply questions
  
  
 
  
  
I am confused.  I have a 6A
  rackmount Trango Power supply http://www.silverbranch.com/Useppa/DS-9030-C-Giga-PowerSupply-1U-48.pdf
  that I would like to use to power an 820C.  I hooked
  it up -48v and it would not power on.  I hooked it up
  +48v and it worked perfectly.  This is on the bench
  and not installed.  I am hearing from others on here
  that the power supply will short as soon as I ground
  the radio if I actually run it at +48v.  So I have a
  few questionswhy won't this power up at -48v?  I
  really don't want to use POE.  What are people using
  to power these?  Any reason that this Trango Power
  supply should be not working? 
  

  
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Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 820C -48v power supply questions

[Jeremy]

I am using the DC power connector, not POE.  I spoke with Cambium and they
did not seem to have the answer as to whether or not this would work, and
the details of their -48v being floating or not.

On Sat, Mar 30, 2019 at 4:55 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> It sounds like he wants to use the DC power connector.
>
>
>
> Cambium doesn’t do a very good job of answering the question in any of
> their documentation.  Several places they refer to the direct DC power as
> -48 which I would take to mean positive side grounded.
>
>
>
> One tends to assume that when powering via POE, the radio takes the DC
> from the Ethernet transformers and uses it just like it would direct DC
> power, but I’m kind of getting the impression that’s not true.
>
>
>
> PTP820C/S can definitely accept floating power via POE, and I could swear
> I have several sites using +48 VDC power (negative side grounded) for POE
> via a GIGE-POE-APC.
>
> Keep in mind that no matter which side of the power supply is grounded, +
> goes to + and - goes to -.  That seems to confuse some people.
>
>
>
> You might want to open a support case on the Cambium website and get them
> to answer the question.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Gino A. Villarini
> *Sent:* Saturday, March 30, 2019 2:59 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 820C -48v power supply questions
>
>
>
> Are you using Trango POE? IIRC it’s a proprietary pinout..
>
>
>
> *Gino** Villarini *
> Founder/President
> @gvillarini
> t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204
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> *Date: *Saturday, March 30, 2019 at 12:12 PM
> *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Cambium 820C -48v power supply questions
>
>
>
> I am confused.  I have a 6A rackmount Trango Power supply
> http://www.silverbranch.com/Useppa/DS-9030-C-Giga-PowerSupply-1U-48.pdf
> that I would like to use to power an 820C.  I hooked it up -48v and it
> would not power on.  I hooked it up +48v and it worked perfectly.  This is
> on the bench and not installed.  I am hearing from others on here that the
> power supply will short as soon as I ground the radio if I actually run it
> at +48v.  So I have a few questionswhy won't this power up at -48v?  I
> really don't want to use POE.  What are people using to power these?  Any
> reason that this Trango Power supply should be not working?
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review

[Ken Hohhof]

Have they seen the original animated version?  It has been kind of buried
because the depiction of the roustabouts and the jive-talking crows are
considered racist.  On the other hand I always thought the lesson of the
movie was not to discriminate against a person (or elephant) because of how
they look, and that the roustabouts and crows were depicted favorably vs.
the greedy circus owners.  If you can get past the controversy, it is one of
the Disney classics.  As a kid I loved the sequence where the train goes
through the rain and then the elephants and roustabouts set up the circus in
the next town.  I guess maybe people would also object to the grandkids
seeing Dumbo get drunk.  But who can forget "pink elephants on parade"?

The reviews I have seen on the Tim Burton version have been negative, style
over substance, and with no heart.

As far as the controversy, at least not as bad as Song of the South, which I
don't believe has ever been released for home video.  Not really a classic
of animation like Dumbo though.  It does seem a shame that anything derived
from the Uncle Remus stories are banished now.  Br'er Rabbit and his friends
came from African folk tales, and I have always thought the story about the
tar baby said a lot about human nature, although it sounds quite offensive.
Sometimes a tar baby is just a baby made out of tar.

Cleaning out a bunch of books and taking them to an annual charity book
sale, I came across a copy of Little Black Sambo.  That one did not go to
the book sale, they probably would have burned it.  But sometimes, watching
the U.S. Congress or the U.K. Parliament, I expect them to turn into butter.


-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2019 9:36 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review 

My grandkids hate my keyboard...  security device I guess.

Saw Dumbo with them yesterday.  
They seemed to like it, I thought it was pretty poor.  




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