Re: [AFMUG] FRS or GMRS for covering a mountain

2019-04-16 Thread Brian Webster 
FRS radios do not cover the repeater input frequencies (5 MHz split) for GMRS. 
Those radios have simplex only hard coded channels. FRS radios do not have all 
of the GMRS frequencies in them.

 

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Brian Webster

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From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2019 10:37 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FRS or GMRS for covering a mountain

 

I wonder how many users are actually licensed.

 

If you use FRS frequencies only you don’t have to have a license do you?  Can 
they use a repeater?

 

From: Brian Webster 

Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2019 7:46 AM

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FRS or GMRS for covering a mountain

 

Yes you can put a GMRS repeater up and you can do it inexpensively because GMRS 
was not required to move to narrowband  channels, that makes a lot of old 
wideband commercial equipment available for use. The bigger problems however 
are the rules for GMRS use. The license holder is only allowed to use the 
frequencies for his/her and their immediate family. It can be used for business 
but each person/family has to have their own license. Different licensees are 
allowed to interact and use someone else’s repeater provide they have 
permission to access the repeater. A repeater owner is not obligated to grant 
others access to a repeater but they also are not granted exclusive access to a 
repeater frequency pair. So advise your client of  this. It is also worth 
noting that you should monitor the GMRS frequency pairs for other users before 
you set up a repeater. There is no requirement for coordination of GMRS 
repeaters, the blister pack GMRS radios are also allowed to use the repeater 
output frequencies as a simplex channel (but most do not have repeater pair 
capability), so monitoring before building might help you avoid picking a 
channel others are using on a regular basis. There is no official repository of 
repeater listings but this site is a good start https://mygmrs.com/

 

Thank You,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

www.Broadband-Mapping.com

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Friday, April 12, 2019 6:29 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FRS or GMRS for covering a mountain

 

Didn’t realize you could put a repeater on gmrs.

Sent from my iPhone


On Apr 12, 2019, at 4:00 PM, Lewis Bergman  wrote:

That request is loaded with traps. Even expensive propagation software, or ones 
like the good free ones, can't gaurantee 100 percent accuracy. The typical 
setting is 90 percent confidence for the three major variables. I charge $500 
for a propagation study. For obvious reasons, if you know me, I wouldn't 
recommend either of those two but Motorola. Kenwood is ok though. The receivers 
on Hytera aren't great. I guess it just depends on how important it is.

 

 

 

On Fri, Apr 12, 2019, 2:17 PM Matt Hoppes  
wrote:

A GMRS repeater somewhere on a high point and Tytera or Kenwood portables. 

> On Apr 12, 2019, at 15:12, Timothy Steele  wrote:
> 
> We have a client that wants 100% of his mountain covered for communication
> 
> Any recommendations for handheld radios?
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Re: [AFMUG] Mean Well NDR 120-24 & NDR 120-48 for powering Packetflux Rack Injector?

2019-04-16 Thread Sam Lambie 
I have been using both of those same models with PF gear for a long time.
never had an issue with them.

On Tue, Apr 9, 2019 at 2:51 PM Brandon Yuchasz 
wrote:

> Last night I replaced yet another Amazon special 29.5V power supply that
> was feeding out packetflux equipment. These are defiantly a weak link and
> something I need to pull out of the field and replace.
>
> I spent some time today digging into the MeanWell product line and came up
> with two options to power our original Packetflux sites along with the ones
> now running the rack injectors.
>
>
>
> I need but 28V DC and 48V DC at sites feed from 120VAC
>
>
>
> I am considering going with the Mean Well NDR 120-24 and Mean Well NDR
> 120-48 units. Does anyone have experience with these good or bad? Just
> looking for something that more stable and reliable at this point.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
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Re: [AFMUG] FRS or GMRS for covering a mountain

2019-04-16 Thread Bill Prince 

  
  
If you use an FRS frequency, you will also be limited to FRS
  power except on a few selected frequencies. On our GMRS radios,
  they give you the option of high/low power if it is an either/or
  channel. So technically, you could use a GMRS radio on one of
  those channels without a license as long as you did so at low
  power. So there are FRS-only channels, GMRS-only channels, and
  either/or channels.
There are so many potholes in the rules, almost anything goes.


bp



On 4/16/2019 7:37 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com
  wrote:


  
  
  
  

  I wonder how many users are actually licensed.
   
  If you use FRS frequencies only you don’t have to have a
license do you?  Can they use a repeater?
  

   
  
From: Brian Webster 
Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2019 7:46 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users
Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FRS or GMRS for
  covering a mountain
  

 
  
  

  Yes you can put a GMRS repeater up and you
  can do it inexpensively because GMRS was not required
  to move to narrowband  channels, that makes a lot of
  old wideband commercial equipment available for use.
  The bigger problems however are the rules for GMRS
  use. The license holder is only allowed to use the
  frequencies for his/her and their immediate family. It
  can be used for business but each person/family has to
  have their own license. Different licensees are
  allowed to interact and use someone else’s repeater
  provide they have permission to access the repeater. A
  repeater owner is not obligated to grant others access
  to a repeater but they also are not granted exclusive
  access to a repeater frequency pair. So advise your
  client of  this. It is also worth noting that you
  should monitor the GMRS frequency pairs for other
  users before you set up a repeater. There is no
  requirement for coordination of GMRS repeaters, the
  blister pack GMRS radios are also allowed to use the
  repeater output frequencies as a simplex channel (but
  most do not have repeater pair capability), so
  monitoring before building might help you avoid
  picking a channel others are using on a regular basis.
  There is no official repository of repeater listings
  but this site is a good start https://mygmrs.com/
   
  
Thank You,
Brian Webster
www.wirelessmapping.com
www.Broadband-Mapping.com
  
   
  

  From: AF
  [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of
  Chuck McCown
  Sent: Friday, April 12, 2019 6:29 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FRS or GMRS for
  covering a mountain

  
   
  Didn’t realize you could put a
repeater on gmrs.
  
Sent
  from my iPhone
  
  

  On Apr 12, 2019, at 4:00 PM, Lewis Bergman 
  wrote:
  
  

  
That
  request is loaded with traps. Even expensive
  propagation software, or ones like the good free
  ones, can't gaurantee 100 percent accuracy. The
  typical setting is 90 percent confidence for the
  three major variables. I charge $500 for a propagation
  study. For obvious reasons, if you know me, I
  wouldn't recommend either of those two but
  Motorola. Kenwood is ok though. The receivers on
  Hytera aren't great. I guess it just depends on
  how important it is.

   


   

  
   
  

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Fri, Apr 12, 2019, 2:17 PM Matt Hoppes

Re: [AFMUG] FRS or GMRS for covering a mountain

2019-04-16 Thread chuck 
I wonder how many users are actually licensed.

If you use FRS frequencies only you don’t have to have a license do you?  Can 
they use a repeater?

From: Brian Webster 
Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2019 7:46 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FRS or GMRS for covering a mountain

Yes you can put a GMRS repeater up and you can do it inexpensively because GMRS 
was not required to move to narrowband  channels, that makes a lot of old 
wideband commercial equipment available for use. The bigger problems however 
are the rules for GMRS use. The license holder is only allowed to use the 
frequencies for his/her and their immediate family. It can be used for business 
but each person/family has to have their own license. Different licensees are 
allowed to interact and use someone else’s repeater provide they have 
permission to access the repeater. A repeater owner is not obligated to grant 
others access to a repeater but they also are not granted exclusive access to a 
repeater frequency pair. So advise your client of  this. It is also worth 
noting that you should monitor the GMRS frequency pairs for other users before 
you set up a repeater. There is no requirement for coordination of GMRS 
repeaters, the blister pack GMRS radios are also allowed to use the repeater 
output frequencies as a simplex channel (but most do not have repeater pair 
capability), so monitoring before building might help you avoid picking a 
channel others are using on a regular basis. There is no official repository of 
repeater listings but this site is a good start https://mygmrs.com/

 

Thank You,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

www.Broadband-Mapping.com

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Friday, April 12, 2019 6:29 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FRS or GMRS for covering a mountain

 

Didn’t realize you could put a repeater on gmrs.

Sent from my iPhone


On Apr 12, 2019, at 4:00 PM, Lewis Bergman  wrote:

  That request is loaded with traps. Even expensive propagation software, or 
ones like the good free ones, can't gaurantee 100 percent accuracy. The typical 
setting is 90 percent confidence for the three major variables. I charge $500 
for a propagation study. For obvious reasons, if you know me, I wouldn't 
recommend either of those two but Motorola. Kenwood is ok though. The receivers 
on Hytera aren't great. I guess it just depends on how important it is.

   

   

   

  On Fri, Apr 12, 2019, 2:17 PM Matt Hoppes  
wrote:

A GMRS repeater somewhere on a high point and Tytera or Kenwood portables. 

> On Apr 12, 2019, at 15:12, Timothy Steele  
wrote:
> 
> We have a client that wants 100% of his mountain covered for communication
> 
> Any recommendations for handheld radios?
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Re: [AFMUG] FRS or GMRS for covering a mountain

2019-04-16 Thread Brian Webster 
Yes you can put a GMRS repeater up and you can do it inexpensively because GMRS 
was not required to move to narrowband  channels, that makes a lot of old 
wideband commercial equipment available for use. The bigger problems however 
are the rules for GMRS use. The license holder is only allowed to use the 
frequencies for his/her and their immediate family. It can be used for business 
but each person/family has to have their own license. Different licensees are 
allowed to interact and use someone else’s repeater provide they have 
permission to access the repeater. A repeater owner is not obligated to grant 
others access to a repeater but they also are not granted exclusive access to a 
repeater frequency pair. So advise your client of  this. It is also worth 
noting that you should monitor the GMRS frequency pairs for other users before 
you set up a repeater. There is no requirement for coordination of GMRS 
repeaters, the blister pack GMRS radios are also allowed to use the repeater 
output frequencies as a simplex channel (but most do not have repeater pair 
capability), so monitoring before building might help you avoid picking a 
channel others are using on a regular basis. There is no official repository of 
repeater listings but this site is a good start https://mygmrs.com/

 

Thank You,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

www.Broadband-Mapping.com

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Friday, April 12, 2019 6:29 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FRS or GMRS for covering a mountain

 

Didn’t realize you could put a repeater on gmrs.

Sent from my iPhone


On Apr 12, 2019, at 4:00 PM, Lewis Bergman  wrote:

That request is loaded with traps. Even expensive propagation software, or ones 
like the good free ones, can't gaurantee 100 percent accuracy. The typical 
setting is 90 percent confidence for the three major variables. I charge $500 
for a propagation study. For obvious reasons, if you know me, I wouldn't 
recommend either of those two but Motorola. Kenwood is ok though. The receivers 
on Hytera aren't great. I guess it just depends on how important it is.

 

 

 

On Fri, Apr 12, 2019, 2:17 PM Matt Hoppes  
wrote:

A GMRS repeater somewhere on a high point and Tytera or Kenwood portables. 

> On Apr 12, 2019, at 15:12, Timothy Steele  wrote:
> 
> We have a client that wants 100% of his mountain covered for communication
> 
> Any recommendations for handheld radios?
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