Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

Wow.  I feel many similarities to the Washington Post movie.  I choked up a few 
times.  

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From: "CBB - Jay Fuller" 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
Subject: [AFMUG]OT Movie Review
Date: Mon, Sep 23, 2019 5:14 PM

Going to see this tonight on your recommendation

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Official Secrets

Really enjoyed it.  True story.  
Before seeing it I would recommend reading Curveball.

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Re: [AFMUG] Indiana Public Utilities Commission

[Chuck McCown]

I am sure there is a PUC or PSC or Corporate Commission.

But Frontier is the problem.

Here in Utah, there is a formal complaint against Frontier that will soon be 
one year old regarding some Cambium microwave that was supposedly not 
performing.  They just scheduled the second hearing for February or some 
such date.  Very slow process.


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From: Nate Burke

Sent: Monday, September 23, 2019 6:09 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: [AFMUG] Indiana Public Utilities Commission

Does anyone know the organization in Indiana to complain to when the
ILEC is dropping the ball?

Here in Illinois we have the Illinois Commerce Commission that seems to
be able to get the ILEC Moving in very short order.

I have an elderly Aunt who lives by herself with no Cell phone. Some
road work cut her phone line a few months ago, and she is still running
off a temporary above ground line strung across a road between trees,
and lays across her grass.  It keeps getting continually disconnected
from the pedestal, by what seems like Frontier techs.  Frontier is
always very nice, and saying that it will be fixed soon, but soon has
been a couple months.  Is there a state agency that could get things
running?

Nate

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[AFMUG] Indiana Public Utilities Commission

[Nate Burke]

Does anyone know the organization in Indiana to complain to when the 
ILEC is dropping the ball?


Here in Illinois we have the Illinois Commerce Commission that seems to 
be able to get the ILEC Moving in very short order.


I have an elderly Aunt who lives by herself with no Cell phone. Some 
road work cut her phone line a few months ago, and she is still running 
off a temporary above ground line strung across a road between trees, 
and lays across her grass.  It keeps getting continually disconnected 
from the pedestal, by what seems like Frontier techs.  Frontier is 
always very nice, and saying that it will be fixed soon, but soon has 
been a couple months.  Is there a state agency that could get things 
running?


Nate

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Re: [AFMUG] OT Movie Review

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

Going to see this tonight on your recommendation

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Date: Sun, Sep 22, 2019 8:12 PM

Official Secrets

Really enjoyed it.  True story.  
Before seeing it I would recommend reading Curveball.

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Re: [AFMUG] router recommendations for 20gbps

[Mike Hammett]

The link to the video was serious. The video I linked to explains that the new 
router model numbers were an April Fool's joke. 

I know our podcast reported on the new model numbers and some speculation, but 
then we were reminded of the video. 





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From: "Sean Heskett"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Monday, September 23, 2019 1:43:12 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] router recommendations for 20gbps 


i think mike should be required to attach a  tag before his signature 
line on all future emails ;-) 


-sean 


On Wed, Sep 18, 2019 at 9:37 AM Darin Steffl < darin.ste...@mnwifi.com > wrote: 



Mike, 


That video is from 2017. Did you mean to attach a more recent one? 


On Wed, Sep 18, 2019, 10:18 AM Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: 




https://youtu.be/zv54GidX0qQ?list=PLXr-HoBo2VtViy9bIHHId8d20ELzvOYid=1414s 




Yes, I know we reported on the "new" routers... which apparently were just 
trolling. I forgot about this. I think I watched the livestream of this too. 




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From: "Dennis Burgess via AF" < af@af.afmug.com > 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" < af@af.afmug.com > 
Cc: "Dennis Burgess" < dmburg...@linktechs.net > 
Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2019 10:06:34 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] router recommendations for 20gbps 

So, supposedly, there is some extreme performance MTs getting ready to come 
out. FYI. 

Proposed part numbers currently (nothing solid yet ) 

CCR-eOW-12x100G-36x25Gw 
CCR-eOW-1x25Gw-2x10GC 
CCR-eOW-1Gw-1G 




Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer 
MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium ePMP 
Certified 
Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition” 
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Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net 
Create Wireless Coverage’s with www.towercoverage.com 

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From: AF < af-boun...@af.afmug.com > On Behalf Of fiber...@mail.com 
Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2019 12:25 AM 
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] router recommendations for 20gbps 

> Currently running a pair of mikrotik ccr1036 routers doing ~6gbps 
> each, have two 10gbps transits and would like to upgrade to something that 
> possibly has 40g ports, I really want to stick with mikrotik but I like the 
> idea of having redundant routing engines, I just don't know if it's in the 
> budget... 
Every time this comes up on NANOG the concensus is to get a Juniper MX204 
(20k+). If you don't need full tables, get an Arista 7050 for about a grand. 

> I suppose I can build a beefy x86 with a pci-e 40g card? 
Purportedly Netgate's TSNR will do this. $400 per 10G of throughput per year. 

If you don't want to pay for a product, I guess you can spitball something 
together with FRR, VPP/DPDK. Nothing that routes with the kernel will do 10G+ 
at wirespeed PPS. 

BTW, why do you want to do 40G? Nobody I know will sell you transit at 40G. 
It's 10G or 100G. 


Jared 

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Re: [AFMUG] router recommendations for 20gbps

[Sean Heskett]

i think mike should be required to attach a  tag before his
signature line on all future emails ;-)

-sean

On Wed, Sep 18, 2019 at 9:37 AM Darin Steffl 
wrote:

> Mike,
>
> That video is from 2017. Did you mean to attach a more recent one?
>
> On Wed, Sep 18, 2019, 10:18 AM Mike Hammett  wrote:
>
>>
>> https://youtu.be/zv54GidX0qQ?list=PLXr-HoBo2VtViy9bIHHId8d20ELzvOYid=1414s
>>
>>
>> Yes, I know we reported on the "new" routers...  which apparently were
>> just trolling. I forgot about this. I think I watched the livestream of
>> this too.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP 
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>> --
>> *From: *"Dennis Burgess via AF" 
>> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
>> *Cc: *"Dennis Burgess" 
>> *Sent: *Wednesday, September 18, 2019 10:06:34 AM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] router recommendations for 20gbps
>>
>> So, supposedly, there is some extreme performance MTs getting ready to
>> come out.  FYI.
>>
>> Proposed part numbers currently (nothing solid yet )
>>
>> CCR-eOW-12x100G-36x25Gw
>> CCR-eOW-1x25Gw-2x10GC
>> CCR-eOW-1Gw-1G
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer
>> MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium ePMP
>> Certified
>> Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition”
>> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
>> Office: 314-735-0270  Website: http://www.linktechs.net
>> Create Wireless Coverage’s with www.towercoverage.com
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: AF  On Behalf Of fiber...@mail.com
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2019 12:25 AM
>> To: af@af.afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] router recommendations for 20gbps
>>
>> > Currently running a pair of mikrotik ccr1036 routers doing ~6gbps
>> > each, have two 10gbps transits and would like to upgrade to something
>> that possibly has 40g ports, I really want to stick with mikrotik but I
>> like the idea of having redundant routing engines, I just don't know if
>> it's in the budget...
>>   Every time this comes up on NANOG the concensus is to get a Juniper
>> MX204 (20k+). If you don't need full tables, get an Arista 7050 for about a
>> grand.
>>
>> > I suppose I can build a beefy x86 with a pci-e 40g card?
>>   Purportedly Netgate's TSNR will do this. $400 per 10G of throughput per
>> year.
>>
>>   If you don't want to pay for a product, I guess you can spitball
>> something together with FRR, VPP/DPDK. Nothing that routes with the kernel
>> will do 10G+ at wirespeed PPS.
>>
>>   BTW, why do you want to do 40G? Nobody I know will sell you transit at
>> 40G. It's 10G or 100G.
>>
>>
>> Jared
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Re: [AFMUG] router recommendations for 20gbps

[Peter Kranz via AF]

Check out the Arista 7280SR/SR2/SR3 products. They are competitively priced if 
you negotiate reasonable discounts and give you tons of port density at 
1/10/25/40/100 speeds.

 

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Mobile: 510-207-
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From: AF  On Behalf Of TJ Trout
Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2019 3:44 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] router recommendations for 20gbps

 

Currently running a pair of mikrotik ccr1036 routers doing ~6gbps each, have 
two 10gbps transits and would like to upgrade to something that possibly has 
40g ports, I really want to stick with mikrotik but I like the idea of having 
redundant routing engines, I just don't know if it's in the budget...

 

I suppose I can build a beefy x86 with a pci-e 40g card?

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Re: [AFMUG] 'cheap' 900MHz PtP link ?

[justsumname .]

...where do you guys buy your stuff nowadays?   Every place I can find is
out of stock or page not found.
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On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 8:51 PM Mathew Howard  wrote:

> Yeah, if you want cheap, go with ubiquiti 900mhz. I'd guess more like at
> least 6-8 watts... they use a bit more power than 2.4 or 5ghz ubiquiti
> stuff.
>
> Cambium PTP450 is a good option if you want something better, but it's a
> lot more costly. I think Mikrotik makes (or at least used to) a 900mhz
> radio too, that's fairly cheap, but I haven't used them.
>
> On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 4:21 PM justsumname .  wrote:
>
>> oh yeah  forgot about those!  nice 5 or 10 MHz wide channels... 2-3 Mbps
>> throughput, IIRC.
>> they draw something like 4 - 6 watts?   That might be the trick .
>> --
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 2, 2019 at 5:12 PM Jaime Solorza 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> We have several 900MHz links operational for over 4 years using Ubiquiti
>>> M900 radios...using 5MHz channels for SCADA, ViewPoint and camera traffic.
>>> Longest is 4 miles ...stable.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jul 2, 2019, 3:02 PM justsumname  wrote:
>>>
 So it's been like 10 years or so since I've really messed with this
 stuff.
 What's the gear for quick/simple/reliable/low-power-draw (solar -ish)
 WDS-bridge type thing?
 Assume no RF noise, etc., clean slate, few trees, short hop...yadda...
 Or 700Mhz I guess, if I have any clue what I'm talking about...

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