Re: [AFMUG] Water tower structural engineering

[Josh Luthman]

You don't have drawings?  Who's the last one to add equipment to the
tower?  Where are their drawings?  If these are rules and an exception was
made for them, can you make it for us?  Keep in mind our wind load
requirements are significantly less than other industries.

On Fri, Apr 8, 2022 at 10:21 AM Nate Burke  wrote:

> Maybe the building department has the drawings but my water department
> contact does not.  I'll inquire more.
>
> Thanks for the tips.
>
>
> On 4/8/2022 9:06 AM, Justin Wilson (Lists) wrote:
>
> +1 to Josh.
>
> Anytime a tower company asks me for a structural engineering I ask them
> for a copy of the most recent one.  I tell them I don’t want to waste my
> time on fees if it won’t pass as is.  I they can’t provide me one I throw
> it back to them.  Why do I want to do structural on something that has
> never had it done?  Usually this can lead to a waiving of the structural
> costs or getting the company to reimburse the cost of the structural.
>
>
> Justin Wilson
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> On Apr 8, 2022, at 8:56 AM, Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
> If they have to "keep the same rules for everyone" then by definition the
> most recent cell company would have required those drawings.  Ask for the
> most recent copy.
>
> On Thu, Apr 7, 2022 at 5:40 PM Nate Burke  wrote:
>
>> I just heard back from one of the engineering companies recommended by a
>> tower owner, he ballparked $1000-$1500 for the drawings, and $1500 for
>> the engineering, but said it depends on how much of the drawings are
>> already done, or if he has to go out and survey the tower and make one.
>>
>> On 4/7/2022 4:33 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
>> > I have used a couple different companies.  Most of the work cost
>> > between $700 and $1800
>> >
>> > -Original Message- From: Nate Burke
>> > Sent: Thursday, April 7, 2022 1:37 PM
>> > To: Animal Farm
>> > Subject: [AFMUG] Water tower structural engineering
>> >
>> > Many of you guys are on Municipal water tanks,  did you have to have
>> > drawings/engineering done for your equipment?  We have equipment on some
>> > city water tanks through an acquisition, and the city is requiring us to
>> > do full drawing/engineering/permits for equipment upgrades even though
>> > we're only talking about changing some 2' dishes out (UBNT 5ghz to
>> > licensed), and changing some EPMP1000 sectors to EPMP3000.  The Water
>> > department admits that our stuff is small and won't matter, but since
>> > there are multiple cell sites on each water tank, they have to keep the
>> > same rules for everyone, and we don't have enough luck to just 'change
>> > it and see if they notice'  They'll notice.
>> >
>> > What type of company do I need to be looking for do to
>> > drawings/engineering?  I found a structural engineering firm, but they
>> > only take existing drawings/plans and work from them so I need someone
>> > to do drawings.  Ballpark pricing for something like that?
>> >
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Water tower structural engineering

[Nate Burke]

Maybe the building department has the drawings but my water department 
contact does not.  I'll inquire more.


Thanks for the tips.


On 4/8/2022 9:06 AM, Justin Wilson (Lists) wrote:

+1 to Josh.

Anytime a tower company asks me for a structural engineering I ask 
them for a copy of the most recent one.  I tell them I don’t want to 
waste my time on fees if it won’t pass as is.  I they can’t provide me 
one I throw it back to them.  Why do I want to do structural on 
something that has never had it done?  Usually this can lead to a 
waiving of the structural costs or getting the company to reimburse 
the cost of the structural.



Justin Wilson
j...@mtin.net 

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On Apr 8, 2022, at 8:56 AM, Josh Luthman > wrote:


If they have to "keep the same rules for everyone" then by definition 
the most recent cell company would have required those drawings.  Ask 
for the most recent copy.


On Thu, Apr 7, 2022 at 5:40 PM Nate Burke > wrote:


I just heard back from one of the engineering companies
recommended by a
tower owner, he ballparked $1000-$1500 for the drawings, and
$1500 for
the engineering, but said it depends on how much of the drawings are
already done, or if he has to go out and survey the tower and
make one.

On 4/7/2022 4:33 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
> I have used a couple different companies.  Most of the work cost
> between $700 and $1800
>
> -Original Message- From: Nate Burke
> Sent: Thursday, April 7, 2022 1:37 PM
> To: Animal Farm
> Subject: [AFMUG] Water tower structural engineering
>
> Many of you guys are on Municipal water tanks, did you have to have
> drawings/engineering done for your equipment? We have equipment
on some
> city water tanks through an acquisition, and the city is
requiring us to
> do full drawing/engineering/permits for equipment upgrades even
though
> we're only talking about changing some 2' dishes out (UBNT 5ghz to
> licensed), and changing some EPMP1000 sectors to EPMP3000.  The
Water
> department admits that our stuff is small and won't matter, but
since
> there are multiple cell sites on each water tank, they have to
keep the
> same rules for everyone, and we don't have enough luck to just
'change
> it and see if they notice'  They'll notice.
>
> What type of company do I need to be looking for do to
> drawings/engineering?  I found a structural engineering firm,
but they
> only take existing drawings/plans and work from them so I need
someone
> to do drawings.  Ballpark pricing for something like that?
>


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Re: [AFMUG] Water tower structural engineering

[Justin Wilson (Lists)]

+1 to Josh.

Anytime a tower company asks me for a structural engineering I ask them for a 
copy of the most recent one.  I tell them I don’t want to waste my time on fees 
if it won’t pass as is.  I they can’t provide me one I throw it back to them.  
Why do I want to do structural on something that has never had it done?  
Usually this can lead to a waiving of the structural costs or getting the 
company to reimburse the cost of the structural.


Justin Wilson
j...@mtin.net

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> On Apr 8, 2022, at 8:56 AM, Josh Luthman  wrote:
> 
> If they have to "keep the same rules for everyone" then by definition the 
> most recent cell company would have required those drawings.  Ask for the 
> most recent copy.
> 
> On Thu, Apr 7, 2022 at 5:40 PM Nate Burke  > wrote:
> I just heard back from one of the engineering companies recommended by a 
> tower owner, he ballparked $1000-$1500 for the drawings, and $1500 for 
> the engineering, but said it depends on how much of the drawings are 
> already done, or if he has to go out and survey the tower and make one.
> 
> On 4/7/2022 4:33 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
> > I have used a couple different companies.  Most of the work cost 
> > between $700 and $1800
> >
> > -Original Message- From: Nate Burke
> > Sent: Thursday, April 7, 2022 1:37 PM
> > To: Animal Farm
> > Subject: [AFMUG] Water tower structural engineering
> >
> > Many of you guys are on Municipal water tanks,  did you have to have
> > drawings/engineering done for your equipment?  We have equipment on some
> > city water tanks through an acquisition, and the city is requiring us to
> > do full drawing/engineering/permits for equipment upgrades even though
> > we're only talking about changing some 2' dishes out (UBNT 5ghz to
> > licensed), and changing some EPMP1000 sectors to EPMP3000.  The Water
> > department admits that our stuff is small and won't matter, but since
> > there are multiple cell sites on each water tank, they have to keep the
> > same rules for everyone, and we don't have enough luck to just 'change
> > it and see if they notice'  They'll notice.
> >
> > What type of company do I need to be looking for do to
> > drawings/engineering?  I found a structural engineering firm, but they
> > only take existing drawings/plans and work from them so I need someone
> > to do drawings.  Ballpark pricing for something like that?
> >
> 
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Re: [AFMUG] Water tower structural engineering

[Brian Webster]

And then with that most recent copy, go approach that A company for a quote. 
It’s much easier to update a study they have already done. Should be as simple 
as adding your proposed equipment and then run a new report.

 

Thank you,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Friday, April 8, 2022 8:57 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Water tower structural engineering

 

If they have to "keep the same rules for everyone" then by definition the most 
recent cell company would have required those drawings.  Ask for the most 
recent copy.

 

On Thu, Apr 7, 2022 at 5:40 PM Nate Burke  wrote:

I just heard back from one of the engineering companies recommended by a 
tower owner, he ballparked $1000-$1500 for the drawings, and $1500 for 
the engineering, but said it depends on how much of the drawings are 
already done, or if he has to go out and survey the tower and make one.

On 4/7/2022 4:33 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
> I have used a couple different companies.  Most of the work cost 
> between $700 and $1800
>
> -Original Message- From: Nate Burke
> Sent: Thursday, April 7, 2022 1:37 PM
> To: Animal Farm
> Subject: [AFMUG] Water tower structural engineering
>
> Many of you guys are on Municipal water tanks,  did you have to have
> drawings/engineering done for your equipment?  We have equipment on some
> city water tanks through an acquisition, and the city is requiring us to
> do full drawing/engineering/permits for equipment upgrades even though
> we're only talking about changing some 2' dishes out (UBNT 5ghz to
> licensed), and changing some EPMP1000 sectors to EPMP3000.  The Water
> department admits that our stuff is small and won't matter, but since
> there are multiple cell sites on each water tank, they have to keep the
> same rules for everyone, and we don't have enough luck to just 'change
> it and see if they notice'  They'll notice.
>
> What type of company do I need to be looking for do to
> drawings/engineering?  I found a structural engineering firm, but they
> only take existing drawings/plans and work from them so I need someone
> to do drawings.  Ballpark pricing for something like that?
>


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Re: [AFMUG] Water tower structural engineering

[Mike Hammett]

Good point. 




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Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Josh Luthman"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Friday, April 8, 2022 7:56:35 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Water tower structural engineering 


If they have to "keep the same rules for everyone" then by definition the most 
recent cell company would have required those drawings. Ask for the most recent 
copy. 


On Thu, Apr 7, 2022 at 5:40 PM Nate Burke < n...@blastcomm.com > wrote: 


I just heard back from one of the engineering companies recommended by a 
tower owner, he ballparked $1000-$1500 for the drawings, and $1500 for 
the engineering, but said it depends on how much of the drawings are 
already done, or if he has to go out and survey the tower and make one. 

On 4/7/2022 4:33 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote: 
> I have used a couple different companies. Most of the work cost 
> between $700 and $1800 
> 
> -Original Message- From: Nate Burke 
> Sent: Thursday, April 7, 2022 1:37 PM 
> To: Animal Farm 
> Subject: [AFMUG] Water tower structural engineering 
> 
> Many of you guys are on Municipal water tanks, did you have to have 
> drawings/engineering done for your equipment? We have equipment on some 
> city water tanks through an acquisition, and the city is requiring us to 
> do full drawing/engineering/permits for equipment upgrades even though 
> we're only talking about changing some 2' dishes out (UBNT 5ghz to 
> licensed), and changing some EPMP1000 sectors to EPMP3000. The Water 
> department admits that our stuff is small and won't matter, but since 
> there are multiple cell sites on each water tank, they have to keep the 
> same rules for everyone, and we don't have enough luck to just 'change 
> it and see if they notice' They'll notice. 
> 
> What type of company do I need to be looking for do to 
> drawings/engineering? I found a structural engineering firm, but they 
> only take existing drawings/plans and work from them so I need someone 
> to do drawings. Ballpark pricing for something like that? 
> 


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Re: [AFMUG] Water tower structural engineering

[Josh Luthman]

If they have to "keep the same rules for everyone" then by definition the
most recent cell company would have required those drawings.  Ask for the
most recent copy.

On Thu, Apr 7, 2022 at 5:40 PM Nate Burke  wrote:

> I just heard back from one of the engineering companies recommended by a
> tower owner, he ballparked $1000-$1500 for the drawings, and $1500 for
> the engineering, but said it depends on how much of the drawings are
> already done, or if he has to go out and survey the tower and make one.
>
> On 4/7/2022 4:33 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
> > I have used a couple different companies.  Most of the work cost
> > between $700 and $1800
> >
> > -Original Message- From: Nate Burke
> > Sent: Thursday, April 7, 2022 1:37 PM
> > To: Animal Farm
> > Subject: [AFMUG] Water tower structural engineering
> >
> > Many of you guys are on Municipal water tanks,  did you have to have
> > drawings/engineering done for your equipment?  We have equipment on some
> > city water tanks through an acquisition, and the city is requiring us to
> > do full drawing/engineering/permits for equipment upgrades even though
> > we're only talking about changing some 2' dishes out (UBNT 5ghz to
> > licensed), and changing some EPMP1000 sectors to EPMP3000.  The Water
> > department admits that our stuff is small and won't matter, but since
> > there are multiple cell sites on each water tank, they have to keep the
> > same rules for everyone, and we don't have enough luck to just 'change
> > it and see if they notice'  They'll notice.
> >
> > What type of company do I need to be looking for do to
> > drawings/engineering?  I found a structural engineering firm, but they
> > only take existing drawings/plans and work from them so I need someone
> > to do drawings.  Ballpark pricing for something like that?
> >
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