Re: [AFMUG] AC Power Plant

[Paul Dowling]

I have the Newmar in my house and it works fine. But for the price, you are
close to an ICT rectifier and their
sine wave inverters. (300W and 1500W) They give you the ability to remote
power cycle the load as well.

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On Mon, Jan 23, 2023 at 1:01 PM castarritt  wrote:

> Alpha FXM-2000 was our go-to solution, but they are discontinued now.  We
> have one Newmar AC-UPS-48-2000 in the field and it has been fine so
> far.  I've never looked for anything over 2000 watts on an AC UPS; DC seems
> like a far better option for that much power.
>
> On Mon, Jan 23, 2023 at 11:16 AM Mark - Myakka Technologies <
> m...@mailmt.com> wrote:
>
>> I have a nice DC power plant running my -48v stuff has about 140 ah worth
>> of battery on it.  Runs well has remote monitoring with e-mail alerts, web
>> gui, SNMP, etc.
>>
>> I'm looking for something similar for my AC stuff.  Total load is now
>> about 1500 Watts.  Looking for something that can handle about 3000 Watts
>> to let us grow.
>>
>> Want it to have remote monitoring.  I'll start with about 100ah worth of
>> battery, but may need to add to that as we add more equipment.
>>
>> Any ideas?
>>
>> For what it is worth I do have some nice cyberpower battery units with
>> the external battery plug.  Has anyone tried to use larger sealed batteries
>> with those units?  Just wondering is the have any type of battery temp
>> monitoring on them.
>>
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>>  Mark  mailto:m...@mailmt.com
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>> Myakka Communications
>> www.Myakka.com
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Re: [AFMUG] AC Power Plant

[castarritt]

Alpha FXM-2000 was our go-to solution, but they are discontinued now.  We
have one Newmar AC-UPS-48-2000 in the field and it has been fine so
far.  I've never looked for anything over 2000 watts on an AC UPS; DC seems
like a far better option for that much power.

On Mon, Jan 23, 2023 at 11:16 AM Mark - Myakka Technologies 
wrote:

> I have a nice DC power plant running my -48v stuff has about 140 ah worth
> of battery on it.  Runs well has remote monitoring with e-mail alerts, web
> gui, SNMP, etc.
>
> I'm looking for something similar for my AC stuff.  Total load is now
> about 1500 Watts.  Looking for something that can handle about 3000 Watts
> to let us grow.
>
> Want it to have remote monitoring.  I'll start with about 100ah worth of
> battery, but may need to add to that as we add more equipment.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> For what it is worth I do have some nice cyberpower battery units with the
> external battery plug.  Has anyone tried to use larger sealed batteries
> with those units?  Just wondering is the have any type of battery temp
> monitoring on them.
>
>
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>  Mark  mailto:m...@mailmt.com
>
> Myakka Communications
> www.Myakka.com
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Re: [AFMUG] AC Power Plant

[Josh Luthman]

FWIW for my minimal AC load I use an ICT inverter.  I don't have any 1500
watt load by any means, let alone double, but if you just use one inverter
per 15 amp circuit you'd be good to go.

At a tower site I just use an APC Smart UPS.  I still recommend going DC if
you can, of course.

On Mon, Jan 23, 2023 at 12:16 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies 
wrote:

> I have a nice DC power plant running my -48v stuff has about 140 ah worth
> of battery on it.  Runs well has remote monitoring with e-mail alerts, web
> gui, SNMP, etc.
>
> I'm looking for something similar for my AC stuff.  Total load is now
> about 1500 Watts.  Looking for something that can handle about 3000 Watts
> to let us grow.
>
> Want it to have remote monitoring.  I'll start with about 100ah worth of
> battery, but may need to add to that as we add more equipment.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> For what it is worth I do have some nice cyberpower battery units with the
> external battery plug.  Has anyone tried to use larger sealed batteries
> with those units?  Just wondering is the have any type of battery temp
> monitoring on them.
>
>
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> Thanks,
>  Mark  mailto:m...@mailmt.com
>
> Myakka Communications
> www.Myakka.com
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[AFMUG] AC Power Plant

[Mark - Myakka Technologies]

I have a nice DC power plant running my -48v stuff has about 140 ah worth of 
battery on it.  Runs well has remote monitoring with e-mail alerts, web gui, 
SNMP, etc.

I'm looking for something similar for my AC stuff.  Total load is now about 
1500 Watts.  Looking for something that can handle about 3000 Watts to let us 
grow.  

Want it to have remote monitoring.  I'll start with about 100ah worth of 
battery, but may need to add to that as we add more equipment.  

Any ideas?

For what it is worth I do have some nice cyberpower battery units with the 
external battery plug.  Has anyone tried to use larger sealed batteries with 
those units?  Just wondering is the have any type of battery temp monitoring on 
them.  


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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Movie Review

[Darin Steffl]

I loved this movie! You kind of experience all kinds of emotions in 2 hours.

On Sun, Jan 22, 2023, 8:38 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

> I really liked the original.
>
> *From:* CBB - Jay Fuller
> *Sent:* Sunday, January 22, 2023 2:34 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT: Movie Review
>
>
> A man called Otto.   Hey, wife and I were just happy to be able to get out
> and see a movie.  Plus, we were recovering from my selection last weekend,
> Babylon.  Best thing I can say about Babylon was the sound track.  Good
> stuff.  Rest of it was garbage LOL
>
> Man called Otto.  This is a remake of a movie that did really well
> overseas a few years ago apparently.  Very much the same story line.
> Good stuff, carry a tissue with you.  For once they didn't give away the
> entire plot in the previews.  We all know grumpy old men like
> Otto.   We rarely know their backstory
>
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Re: [AFMUG] FCC Proposes $62 Million penalty against Q Link Wireless for violation of EBB program rules

[Mike Hammett]

Well, how small is small? If you only need to do transport and electronics, 
that gets a lot easier. If you only need to do transport, that gets even 
easier. 


Also, you'll always need some amount of scale to be relevant. 


There is at least one company building open-access fiber in urban markets where 
you just meet them at a POP with your transport or small amount of electronics. 
They do all of the last-mile electronics as well. 




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Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

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- Original Message -

From: dmmoff...@gmail.com 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2023 8:29:52 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FCC Proposes $62 Million penalty against Q Link Wireless 
for violation of EBB program rules 



Well, if you slice up a pie everybody gets pie, but if you slice up a football 
then nobody can play. 

If you’re looking at a rural community with a few hundred to a couple thousand 
households, and you make service open access then there may be not enough 
customers for any one provider to build a business around. It may be more like 
slicing the football than the pie. You’ll end up with a big company monopoly 
anyway because the bigger company can afford to operate at a loss and wait for 
the one-man bands to go out of business. 

I’m not saying it’s a bad idea, I’m just saying I don’t think it’s a one size 
fits all solution. 




From: AF  On Behalf Of lists gogebicrange.net 
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2023 9:21 PM 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FCC Proposes $62 Million penalty against Q Link Wireless 
for violation of EBB program rules 

Forest, 
I agree with your idea. The main problem is that we have lobbyists in this 
country and there is way to much money to be made building subsidized 
proprietary fiber. Wow I am sinical in my middle age! 
Brandon 



From: AF < af-boun...@af.afmug.com > On Behalf Of Forrest Christian (List 
Account) 
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2023 7:44 PM 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group < af@af.afmug.com > 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FCC Proposes $62 Million penalty against Q Link Wireless 
for violation of EBB program rules 



Not exactly the same type of subsidy program, but I'm starting to belive that 
the government needs to migrate almost all of the build out subsidies to put 
equal access fiber in the ground. That is, the subsidy is only for the fiber 
build. 



Single strand or two from each house to a concentrator box and then a excessive 
number of backhaul/middle mile strands. Then any isp can use the resources that 
are built. The price to use the resources must be effectively zero and rules 
must be in place to limit the percentage of middle mile strands that a single 
provider can use. 



You get paid if you build to spec. Once it's been independently verified that 
you built it then you get paid. Not before. 



Eliminates fraud and Eliminates the government subsidizing one provider which 
often eliminates the possibility of competition. Makes it easy for a provider 
to enter an area (drop a OLT in a cabinet). 



There are several countries (some rural) that adopted this pattern with good 
results. Obviously the details would matter here, but I'm tired of programs 
that have so many rules that only the big providers can really apply. Or if you 
do win as a small provider the cost to operate inside the grant guidelines 
often make it not worth it. 




On Sun, Jan 22, 2023, 5:12 PM Jan-GAMs < j.vank...@grnacres.net > wrote: 



ditto that one 

On 1/22/23 13:54, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote: 






interesting reading. glad we didn't participate in the connected device program 





- Original Message - 

From: Steve Jones 

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2023 9:12 AM 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FCC Proposes $62 Million penalty against Q Link Wireless 
for violation of EBB program rules 



Weird stuff to redact. Seems this should all be public info since it was the 
publics money. Monetary recompense is nice and all, but until we start 
executing owners in the town square, violently, every program will be scam 
full. Maybe we dont execute everybody, but we cut off their hands that were in 
the cookie jar and use images of their nubs to remind would be thieves that 
their ability to rub one out will be greatly diminished. Could even offset some 
of the pilfered funds through auctions of their fingers and various hand bones. 



On Wed, Jan 18, 2023 at 2:52 PM Tim Hardy < thardy...@gmail.com > wrote: 






docs.fcc.gov
So many redactions, it’s like reading the Mueller report. 

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Re: [AFMUG] FCC Proposes $62 Million penalty against Q Link Wireless for violation of EBB program rules

[dmmoffett]

Well, if you slice up a pie everybody gets pie, but if you slice up a football 
then nobody can play.

 

If you’re looking at a rural community with a few hundred to a couple thousand 
households, and you make service open access then there may be not enough 
customers for any one provider to build a business around.  It may be more like 
slicing the football than the pie.  You’ll end up with a big company monopoly 
anyway because the bigger company can afford to operate at a loss and wait for 
the one-man bands to go out of business.

 

I’m not saying it’s a bad idea, I’m just saying I don’t think it’s a one size 
fits all solution.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of lists gogebicrange.net
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2023 9:21 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FCC Proposes $62 Million penalty against Q Link Wireless 
for violation of EBB program rules

 

Forest, 

I agree with your idea. The main problem is that we have lobbyists in this 
country and there is way to much money to be made building subsidized 
proprietary fiber. Wow I am sinical in my middle age!

Brandon

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Forrest Christian (List Account)
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2023 7:44 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FCC Proposes $62 Million penalty against Q Link Wireless 
for violation of EBB program rules

 

Not exactly the same type of subsidy program, but I'm starting to belive that 
the government needs to migrate almost all of the build out subsidies to put 
equal access fiber in the ground.  That is,  the subsidy is only for the fiber 
build.  

 

 Single strand or two from each house to a concentrator box and then a 
excessive number of backhaul/middle mile strands.  Then any isp can use the 
resources that are built.  The price to use the resources must be effectively 
zero and rules must be in place to limit the percentage of middle mile strands 
that a single provider can use. 

 

You get paid if you build to spec.   Once it's been independently verified that 
you built it then you get paid.   Not before. 

 

Eliminates fraud and Eliminates the government subsidizing one provider which 
often eliminates the possibility of competition.  Makes it easy for a provider 
to enter an area (drop a OLT in a cabinet).

 

There are several countries (some rural) that adopted this pattern with good 
results.  Obviously the details would matter here,  but I'm tired of programs 
that have so many rules that only the big providers can really apply.  Or if 
you do win as a small provider the cost to operate inside the grant guidelines 
often make it not worth it. 

 

On Sun, Jan 22, 2023, 5:12 PM Jan-GAMs mailto:j.vank...@grnacres.net> > wrote:

ditto that one

On 1/22/23 13:54, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:

 

 

interesting reading.  glad we didn't participate in the connected device program

 

- Original Message - 

From: Steve Jones   

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group   

Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2023 9:12 AM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FCC Proposes $62 Million penalty against Q Link Wireless 
for violation of EBB program rules

 

Weird stuff to redact. Seems this should all be public info since it was the 
publics money. Monetary recompense is nice and all, but until we start 
executing owners in the town square, violently, every program will be scam 
full. Maybe we dont execute everybody, but we cut off their hands that were in 
the cookie jar and use images of their nubs to remind would be thieves that 
their ability to rub one out will be greatly diminished. Could even offset some 
of the pilfered funds through auctions of their fingers and various hand bones.

 

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  docs.fcc.gov



  So many redactions, 
it’s like reading the Mueller report.

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