Re: [AFMUG] Brigham Young University's Internet Measurement and Anti-Abuse Laboratory

[Dan Spitler]

Funny story, we keep getting these emails for a different ASN. We have some
unrelated IPs SWIPed to us from them but BYU thinks we're a valid contact
because we show up in https://ip-netblocks.whoisxmlapi.com

On Tue, Oct 13, 2020 at 8:48 AM Larry Smith  wrote:

> At this point in time I have absolutely zero ipv6 in my network
> and yes, it is filtered (completely) at my border.  And most
> definitely none of my DNS servers are listening on v6.
>
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>
> On Tue October 13 2020 10:18, Mark Radabaugh wrote:
> > I believe this was specific to IPv6.   Are you sure you are filtering
> IPv6
> > and not just IPv4?
> >
> > Mark
> >
> > > On Oct 13, 2020, at 8:51 AM, Larry Smith  wrote:
> > >
> > > Hm, got one yesterday, then three more this morning.
> > > They appear to be going down my AS contact list - one this morning
> > > was to "abuse".  They are now blocked here.
> > >
> > > All four advertising their DSAV - Destination-Side Source Address
> > > Validation.
> > >
> > > And I have had filters blocking my IP from outside my network for over
> 20
> > > years.  Also block anything leaving my network that is not my IP (and
> log
> > > it).
> > >
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> > > lesm...@ecsis.net
> > >
> > > On Mon October 12 2020 22:57, John Osmon wrote:
> > >> On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 05:49:18PM -0400, Mark - Myakka Technologies
> > >> wrote: [...]
> > >>
> > >>> I can not think of any
> > >>> valid reason for someone to spoof my IP on incoming packets.
> > >>
> > >> There are some asymmetrical cases where you may see your own addresses
> > >> coming in over an edge router.  Most of them are solved better with
> > >> VPNs, but they do exist.
> > >>
> > >> There are few cases anymore where not following BCP38 is required...
> > >
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Re: [AFMUG] mobile printing

[Dan Spitler]

Would thermal be OK?
https://brothermobilesolutions.com/products/mobile-printers/pocketjet/
Warning: they're not cheap.

On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 9:37 AM  wrote:

> Is there such a thing as a reliable, non ink jet, mobile printer?  I have
> crews out on construction jobs that need to have things like drill logs and
> progress reports.  Sometimes they run out of a particular form.  Or need a
> printed copy of a permit.  Not sure it is practical to have a printer in a
> vehicle but ran into it again this morning.
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Re: [AFMUG] clutter data and drones

[Dan Spitler]

https://www.quantumspatial.com/

On Friday, March 27, 2020, Steve Jones  wrote:

> reviving this one
>
> where all would a guy go if he wanted to get pricing on fresh data
> collection? ie hiring one of these drone/blimp/plane firms?
>
> On Thu, Dec 19, 2019 at 12:57 PM Chuck Hogg 
> wrote:
>
>> Nice, I was curious if any Common people would be on here.  Welcome to
>> the farm, where pigs fly.
>>
>> Best Regards, Chuck Hogg   |  *SVP/Director of Acquisitions*
>> *ALL POINTS* *BROADBAND *| *Live Connected.*
>> mobile  502.435.6649
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 18, 2019 at 6:11 PM Dan Spitler  wrote:
>>
>>> Just to chime in here: Nearmap is doing yearly, higher-res
>>> photogrammetry captures of major (sub)urban areas across the US. You can
>>> purchase pre-rendered surface models from which you can do all sorts of fun
>>> things with.
>>> Also, Google's SAS program has a network planner included which allows
>>> you to get elevation profiles *with* clutter using the same data as seen on
>>> Google Earth. My only problem with it is it only does low-rez RF
>>> propagation (no simple viewesheds) and the data is of unknown vintage.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Dec 18, 2019 at 1:19 PM Chuck Hogg 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Here's 2 examples of 2m vs 30m data as well for Google Earth.  If the
>>>> list serv strips them, let me know.
>>>>
>>>> Look at the shadows created by buildings and trees as far as coverage
>>>> goes in the 2M data.
>>>>
>>>> These are random locations in Louisville.  The City of Louisville
>>>> released their data for free.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Dec 18, 2019 at 4:14 PM Chuck Hogg <
>>>> ch...@allpointsbroadband.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Also, check your states/counties/cities.  Some states have had
>>>>> initiatives to map this data.  The forestry fire service also maps this
>>>>> data.  There are also point clouds created with this data.  Ky for example
>>>>> has this data from 2013 to 2018.  The 2018 data is still being compiled.
>>>>> It's also free.  Virginia had whole portions of the state done in 2017.
>>>>>
>>>>> One good resource is:
>>>>> https://www.usgs.gov/core-science-systems/ngp/3dep
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Dec 18, 2019 at 4:11 PM Chuck Hogg <
>>>>> ch...@allpointsbroadband.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> The LIDAR data processing for a 2M resolution of an OMNI on the
>>>>>> platform I'm using takes about 45-75 seconds.  The same 30M resolution is
>>>>>> typically a done in a second.  These are done using 10km radiuses
>>>>>> currently, but I'm increasing it to 20km.  As you know this will cause it
>>>>>> to be significantly heavier on the processing.  A geotiff file for one
>>>>>> access point using 2M data at 10km radius is about 18MB.  The same 
>>>>>> GeoTIFF
>>>>>> for 30M data is under 1MB.  30M is 900Meters squared.  2M is 4M squared.
>>>>>> Roughly 225x more datapoints in 2M.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best Regards, Chuck Hogg   |  *SVP/Director of Acquisitions*
>>>>>> *ALL POINTS* *BROADBAND *| *Live Connected.*
>>>>>> mobile  502.435.6649
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 18, 2019 at 3:45 PM Brian Webster <
>>>>>> i...@wirelessmapping.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I do not know the answer to that but I suspect that they are just
>>>>>>> using the images from multiple angles.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thank You,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Brian Webster
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> www.wirelessmapping.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> www.Broadband-Mapping.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Adam
>>>>>>> Moffett
>>>>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 18, 2019 3:23 PM
>>>>>>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>

Re: [AFMUG] VoIP QoS on Ubiquiti

[Dan Spitler]

You'll still need to set TOS/DSCP:
https://help.ubnt.com/hc/en-us/articles/205231750-airMAX-QoS-and-Prioritization#2

On Sun, Mar 15, 2020 at 7:56 PM Timothy Steele 
wrote:

> VOIP traffic shaping is baked into the AirMax Protocol
>
> with LTU I would think its the same but be sure you are on the latest beta
> as they just added traffic shaping to LTU
>
> On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 4:24 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
>> Does Ubiquiti wireless equipment have any means to prioritize VoIP
>> traffic?
>>
>> I'm playing with LTU.  It seems promising, but I'm not finding any info
>> on their QoS implementationif there even is one.
>>
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Security Certificate Questions

[Dan Spitler]

Warning about long-term paid certs: Apple is going to start rejecting certs
with expiration dates longer than 13 months:
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2020/02/20/apple_shorter_cert_lifetime/

On Fri, Feb 21, 2020 at 12:09 PM Mike Hammett  wrote:

> I spend more time baby sitting real SSL certs (every two years at renewal)
> than Let's Encrypt...  and I have more Let's Encrypt.
>
> If there's a clear, reliable way of doing Let's Encrypt...  do it.
>
> If not, use a paid cert until someone else gets the bruises getting Let's
> Encrypt to work solidly on whatever you're doing with it.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
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> *From: *"Ken Hohhof" 
> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> *Sent: *Friday, February 21, 2020 2:04:55 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Security Certificate Questions
>
> I don't have experience with letsencrypt but a webserver software mailing
> list I'm on has constant traffic about problems with certs not renewing.
> It
> may be specific to that software, but my gut tells me if this is something
> mission critical and you don't want to monitor it for problems, just pay a
> regular cert authority.  It's not a trivial amount of money, but not
> Bloomberg money either.  I have too many things demanding my time already
> without having to babysit website certs.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen
> Sent: Friday, February 21, 2020 1:41 PM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Security Certificate Questions
>
> On 2/21/20 11:28 AM, Larry Smith wrote:
> > Mark,
> >
> >Look at letsencrypt.org.  They have free certs for personal and
> > minor use.
> >
>
>
> Anyone can use Let's Encrypt for anything. Personal, commercial, for
> profit,
> not for profit, whatever you imagine.
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Re: [AFMUG] Issues with Madden Mobile?

[Dan Spitler]

Good point. I was just doing what I've seen before: people just asking for
NOC with no context.

On Fri, Feb 21, 2020 at 10:25 AM Sean Heskett  wrote:

> I see that on Jan 22nd you asked for an EA noc admin.  Perhaps posting
> with more info like you have on the animal farm list will get a better
> response.
>
> If they don’t know what you need/want they may just ignore your request
> since it was so vague.
>
> -Sean
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 21, 2020 at 11:15 AM Dan Spitler  wrote:
>
>> Heh, I did and got no response
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 21, 2020 at 10:12 AM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>
>>> i would join the NANOG list and post there as well.  often times you can
>>> get directly in touch with the engineers at large companies thru the list
>>> or thru contacts on the list.
>>>
>>> na...@nanog.org
>>>
>>> -sean
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Feb 21, 2020 at 10:58 AM Dan Spitler  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hey all,
>>>> We've gotten complaints about EA's Madden Mobile not working on our
>>>> network. Sure enough when I try it from any of our IPs, I get a
>>>> vague "Unknown Error." Of course, it works from any other (albeit large)
>>>> ISP I try it from. Our IPs appear clean and geo'd correctly from every
>>>> source I can find.
>>>>
>>>> Has anyone heard of this problem on their network? Does anyone want to
>>>> try it? You don't have to sign up or anything, as the error occurs pretty
>>>> quickly after opening the app (iOS or Android).
>>>>
>>>> EA's support has been absolutely useless, telling me to contact
>>>> Marketing (?) who is understandably ignoring me. A customer's attempt to
>>>> get support had them telling him that *we* need to "unblock his codes"
>>>> whatever the hell that means.
>>>> Emails to any sort of NOC contact I can find have also gone ignored.
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Re: [AFMUG] Issues with Madden Mobile?

[Dan Spitler]

Heh, I did and got no response

On Fri, Feb 21, 2020 at 10:12 AM Sean Heskett  wrote:

> i would join the NANOG list and post there as well.  often times you can
> get directly in touch with the engineers at large companies thru the list
> or thru contacts on the list.
>
> na...@nanog.org
>
> -sean
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 21, 2020 at 10:58 AM Dan Spitler  wrote:
>
>> Hey all,
>> We've gotten complaints about EA's Madden Mobile not working on our
>> network. Sure enough when I try it from any of our IPs, I get a
>> vague "Unknown Error." Of course, it works from any other (albeit large)
>> ISP I try it from. Our IPs appear clean and geo'd correctly from every
>> source I can find.
>>
>> Has anyone heard of this problem on their network? Does anyone want to
>> try it? You don't have to sign up or anything, as the error occurs pretty
>> quickly after opening the app (iOS or Android).
>>
>> EA's support has been absolutely useless, telling me to contact Marketing
>> (?) who is understandably ignoring me. A customer's attempt to get support
>> had them telling him that *we* need to "unblock his codes" whatever the
>> hell that means.
>> Emails to any sort of NOC contact I can find have also gone ignored.
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[AFMUG] Issues with Madden Mobile?

[Dan Spitler]

Hey all,
We've gotten complaints about EA's Madden Mobile not working on our
network. Sure enough when I try it from any of our IPs, I get a
vague "Unknown Error." Of course, it works from any other (albeit large)
ISP I try it from. Our IPs appear clean and geo'd correctly from every
source I can find.

Has anyone heard of this problem on their network? Does anyone want to try
it? You don't have to sign up or anything, as the error occurs pretty
quickly after opening the app (iOS or Android).

EA's support has been absolutely useless, telling me to contact Marketing
(?) who is understandably ignoring me. A customer's attempt to get support
had them telling him that *we* need to "unblock his codes" whatever the
hell that means.
Emails to any sort of NOC contact I can find have also gone ignored.
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Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Facebook's gigabit wireless rolls out in Puerto Rico | Engadget

[Dan Spitler]

The radios are Facebook's https://fccid.io/2AK7S-FBC1601
No idea where the building-blasting marketing came from; that's definitely
not the case.
Gino: How are you offering IPv4? We (and Magyar Telekom) had to tunnel over
v6 which... bleh.

On Wed, Feb 19, 2020 at 9:23 AM Bill Prince  wrote:

> Certainly all their videos with the bright microwave links going from
> radio to radio, went down streets, and across streets, but never "through"
> buildings. To buildings I can accept, but not so much through.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 2/19/2020 9:19 AM, Mathew Howard wrote:
>
> I think it's probably just a case of the person writing the article not
> knowing what they're talking about. I'm pretty sure the idea is to "blast
> internet" around the buildings, not through them.
>
> On Wed, Feb 19, 2020 at 11:10 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>> Tech arrives at front desk.  “Hi, I’m from Facebook and I’m here to blast
>> through your building.”
>>
>>
>>
>> Maybe they mean throughout buildings.  The hype seems to involve massive
>> antenna arrays, sounds like the old assumption that with multipath you can
>> bounce off the furniture and find a path.  But outside building to inside
>> seems a challenge unless like Mike says it’s an open air building like a
>> stadium?
>>
>>
>>
>> This is going to an interesting and challenging future.  People now
>> expect their Internet to be gigabit speed, never have even 1 second of
>> downtime, and work everywhere they go.  These things are at odds with each
>> other.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 19, 2020 10:48 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fw: Facebook's gigabit wireless rolls out in
>> Puerto Rico | Engadget
>>
>>
>>
>> Maybe they're open-air buildings?  ;-)
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP 
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
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>> *From: *ch...@wbmfg.com
>> *To: *af@af.afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Wednesday, February 19, 2020 10:46:32 AM
>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Fw: Facebook's gigabit wireless rolls out in Puerto
>> Rico | Engadget
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> “the 60GHz millimeter-wave wireless tech that blasts internet through
>> buildings “
>>
>>
>>
>> I just want to hear it from Gino.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* ch...@wbmfg.com
>>
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 19, 2020 9:43 AM
>>
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Facebook's gigabit wireless rolls out in Puerto
>> Rico | Engadget
>>
>>
>>
>> Well the press release talked about it going “through buildings”.  ...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Ken Hohhof
>>
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 19, 2020 9:06 AM
>>
>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Facebook's gigabit wireless rolls out in Puerto
>> Rico | Engadget
>>
>>
>>
>> Is that a rhetorical question?
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 19, 2020 10:04 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Facebook's gigabit wireless rolls out in Puerto
>> Rico | Engadget
>>
>>
>>
>> So how well does 60ghz blast through buildings?
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>
>>
>> On Feb 19, 2020, at 6:15 AM, Gino A. Villarini  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> 👍🏼 👍🏼👍🏼
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *Gino* *Villarini *
>> Founder/President
>> @gvillarini
>> t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204
>> m:
>>
>> [image: aeronet-logo] 
>>
>> [image: inc500] 
>>
>> [image: fb-logo] 
>>
>> [image: insta-logo] 
>>
>> [image: in-logo]
>> 
>>
>> [image: tw-logo]
>> 
>>
>>
>> [image: yt-logo]
>> 
>>
>> www.aeronetpr.com | Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, PR 00968
>>
>> *From: *AF  on behalf of Jaime Solorza <
>> losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
>> *Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Date: *Tuesday, February 18, 2020 at 11:37 PM
>> *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Facebook's gigabit wireless rolls out in Puerto Rico
>> | Engadget
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> https://www.engadget.com/2020/02/18/facebook-terragraph-san-juan-puerto-rico/
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik 60 ghz Wireless Wire Performance.

[Dan Spitler]

I love the things, but they can be fickle to install.
Spend the extra money for solidMOUNTs (
https://www.mikrotik.com/product/solidmount) especially at that distance.
Be sure to upgrade to the latest firmware; the long-term branch was just
moved to 6.45 which has some minor improvements over 6.44. I don’t believe
6.46 has any 60 GHz improvements.
Despite being dishes, there’s still a beamforming antenna in the feed horn.
Use alignment mode per
https://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Manual:Interface/W60G#Align
Because it’s not documented how much gain/power is available per sector,
path loss calculations never seem right (or the RSSI reading is junk). I
just shoot for a tx-sector-info of “center” and a MCS of 8 on both sides.

On Wednesday, February 5, 2020, David Coudron 
wrote:

> We haven’t set them up at 1000 meters yet, but short range testing that we
> have done shows them passing near 1G of traffic using iPerf.   So they can
> do that speed with the right link characteristics.   We will eventually get
> them out and see what they can do on longer runs, but haven’t messed with
> that yet.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> David Coudron
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Sam Lambie
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 5, 2020 10:48 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Mikrotik 60 ghz Wireless Wire Performance.
>
>
>
> I have a couple of institutions that can't afford a licensed point to
> point solution to get near a gigabit of throughput. So, trying to save the
> 5ghz spectrum for our PTMP network, I am looking at these
> https://mikrotik.com/product/wireless_wire_dish  as a possibility. the
> shots would right around 1000 meters. Does anyone have any real world
> experience with these radios that you would like to share? Any other non
> 5ghz and 24ghz solutions out there that you have used to get near a gigabit
> FDX?
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Netgear new router setup procedure?

[Dan Spitler]

Somewhat related: someone took it upon themselves to extract the private
key for routerlogin.net from a Netgear firmware so I believe the CA revoked
the key. Netgear now says just use http:
https://kb.netgear.com/61582/Security-Advisory-for-Signed-TLS-Certificate-Private-Key-Disclosure-on-Some-Routers-PSV-2020-0105
Doesn’t sound like the problems mentioned, though.

On Monday, February 3, 2020, castarritt .  wrote:

> I've seen a lot of phones/tablets refuse to browse to routerlogin.net
> since they detect it as a redirected URL.  I tell people to either plug a
> windows machine into the LAN port, or get the app.
>
> On Sun, Feb 2, 2020 at 8:04 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>> I’ve had several customers call with new Netgear Nighthawk routers R7000
>> series and the only instructions that come with them is to download an app
>> to your phone.  The user manual on the Netgear website says to do it the
>> same as always, connect to the WiFi and browse to www.routerlogin.net.
>> Customers try that and the page cannot be displayed.  I’ve been unable to
>> figure it out over the phone, I tell them to call Netgear support, usually
>> they end up taking it back to the store and getting something like a
>> Belkon/Linksys.
>>
>>
>>
>> Is this something stupid like force HTTPS or use a different browser or
>> clear the cache?  Shouldn’t be this hard.
>>
>>
>>
>> Do you really have to use the app on your phone?  They say that doesn’t
>> work either.
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Re: [AFMUG] bufferbloat

[Dan Spitler]

You know, maybe I was thinking of Procera not Preseem with regards to TCP
monitoring

On Fri, Jan 31, 2020 at 9:57 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Can you imagine doing coding back in these days:
>
> https://arstechnica.com/science/2020/01/a-deep-dive-into-the-apollo-guidance-computer-and-the-hack-that-saved-apollo-14/
>
> Talk about both time and hardware constraints, oh and people die if you
> screw up.  I wonder what their effective cost per hour (or line of code)
> was.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Robert
> Sent: Friday, January 31, 2020 11:39 AM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] bufferbloat
>
> When I was a wee lad working at my first real engineering job in nuclear
> power, my boss had me sit down and figure out what my actual self-cost was
> as my very first job for him.   I came up with a number like $22/hour.  He
> then showed me what my actual overhead number was, and it came out to like
> $58 for the company and he told me that the company would be billing me out
> at over $100.  I was astonished.   So it's an exercise I still do.   Now I
> am at about $95 all up cost.   Much of the work I do is at a loss against
> that, but I make it up in bulk, LOL. But the time value of money is more
> like $450 right now.   The hours left in life are getting shorter, bank
> assets are getting longer. Spend more time on fun than work.
>
> On 1/31/20 8:41 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
> > I think they have integration with common CRM's like Sonar.
> >
> > You sound exactly like I sounded 15 years ago.  The more stuff I have
> > to deal with every day, the more I'm ok with outsourcing some of my
> > troubles to someone else.
> >
> > I just paid a guy $800 to replace an exhaust inducer in my furnace.  I
> > know that inducer is $99 and goes in with 4 screws and a hose clamp,
> > but it's more worth my time to let someone else take care of it so I
> > can do something else.  Same goes for Preseem vs the $300 Linux box.
> >
> > I'm not knocking your method.  There's a point in the business cycle
> > where there's more time than there is cash, and it will make sense to
> > do some more DIY things.  I'm just saying the Preseem thing has value
> > too.
> >
> > -Adam
> >
> >
> > On 1/31/2020 11:34 AM, Dev wrote:
> >> I’m getting spammed like every day with the Preseem guys selling what
> >> seem like expensive hacks of fq_codel to reduce bufferbloat. Is there
> >> anything else interesting about their technology besides deploying
> >> open source implementation of fq_codel or CAKE on commodity hardware,
> >> which we already do to great effect on a $300 single board Linux box
> >> with a few ports? I guess they have a pretty dashboard, anyhing other
> >> than that?
> >
>
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Re: [AFMUG] bufferbloat

[Dan Spitler]

I'm more interested in the QoE monitoring. I'm guessing it looks at TCP
performance? How does it do it? Deep packet inspection? Seems tough to do
without overwhelming the server or increasing latency significantly.

On Fri, Jan 31, 2020 at 9:03 AM David Coudron 
wrote:

> We have been using Preseem for about a year now.   We originally
> implemented it as a way to better manage the customer experience and
> potentially make better use of our DIA bandwidth and maybe reduce some DIA
> costs.   I am guessing someone could build a similar product on their own
> with open source.
>
> However, what we have found is that we get significantly more than the
> customer experience management with the tool.   The reporting is beyond
> awesome, it has become our number one tool for troubleshooting customers
> complaints.   Others on this list can weigh in on how they use it, but our
> typical day goes something like this:
> 1) During our morning Ops call, we take a peek at Preseem's recap of tower
> latency yesterday.  If nothing new shows up for Red towers/access points,
> we look at Yellow Access Points (this is a ranking of Aps/towers over
> certain latency thresholds)
> 2) If any customer calls have come in, we use the Preseem tool to see if
> they are experiencing latency issues.   If they are, we check our SNMP
> based monitoring tool to see if their wireless connection to the tower has
> changed or if the AP is experience issues.   We had a pretty major
> windstorm go through two weeks ago, and we found a few customers whose
> latency spiked and investigation into their connection showed there was an
> issue with their dish.
> 3) If latency has climbed, but the AP and upstream devices are all OK, we
> check into the experience of that customer to others on their tower.   Is
> their latency spike unique, does it happen only under load, etc.   More
> often than not, the issue is specific to them, doesn't only happen under
> load, and only at certain times.  It is usually from streaming a show on
> the TV in the far back upstairs bedroom (or something like that) with a
> crappy connection to their wifi router in the house.
>
> We have found it to be an indispensable tool for this kind of thing.   We
> bought it for QoE, but use it daily for monitoring/troubleshooting
> activities.   Not only do you get a hosted reporting solution, you have
> access to some pretty smart folks.
>
> Just this morning our first line of support person said "If Preseem ever
> goes down, I will cry, it is my favorite troubleshooting tool".   We were
> having a discussion about how you could compare QoE/Latency from a customer
> to other customers on the same AP, to others on the Same Tower, to others
> in the same DIA, etc.   It is hard to explain how much it changes the way
> you think about the "My Internet is slow" complaint.  Quite often this
> person will get a call about it being slow last night, and she will ask the
> time at which it happened and pull up very detailed information like "You
> were using 45 of you 50 Mbps plan with 50 ms latency".
>
> Take the time to go through the demo with Gerrit.   You may not decide it
> is not for you, but it won't be a waste of time to understand why they are
> pushing it so hard.
>
> David Coudron
> david.coud...@advantenon.com  |  Mobile: 612-991-7474
>
> Advantenon, Inc.
> i...@advantenon.com  |  3500 Vicksburg Lane N, Suite 315, Plymouth, MN
> 55447  |  www.advantenon.com  |  Phone: 800-704-4720  |  Local:
> 612-454-1545
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
> Sent: Friday, January 31, 2020 10:41 AM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] bufferbloat
>
> I think they have integration with common CRM's like Sonar.
>
> You sound exactly like I sounded 15 years ago.  The more stuff I have to
> deal with every day, the more I'm ok with outsourcing some of my troubles
> to someone else.
>
> I just paid a guy $800 to replace an exhaust inducer in my furnace.  I
> know that inducer is $99 and goes in with 4 screws and a hose clamp, but
> it's more worth my time to let someone else take care of it so I can do
> something else.  Same goes for Preseem vs the $300 Linux box.
>
> I'm not knocking your method.  There's a point in the business cycle where
> there's more time than there is cash, and it will make sense to do some
> more DIY things.  I'm just saying the Preseem thing has value too.
>
> -Adam
>
>
> On 1/31/2020 11:34 AM, Dev wrote:
> > I’m getting spammed like every day with the Preseem guys selling what
> seem like expensive hacks of fq_codel to reduce bufferbloat. Is there
> anything else interesting about their technology besides deploying open
> source implementation of fq_codel or CAKE on commodity hardware, which we
> already do to great effect on a $300 single board Linux box with a few
> ports? I guess they have a pretty dashboard, anyhing other than that?
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Re: [AFMUG] mytax illinois inaccessible to NAT customers

[Dan Spitler]

My biggest issues with double NAT wasn't so much the double NAT (though
gamers hate it) but with a rogue customer doing something naughty and
getting their shared IP on some blacklist that is used by any number of
random services. CA DMV being a prime example.
Be sure to check the IP against e.g.
https://www.ipvoid.com/ip-blacklist-check/
https://whatismyipaddress.com/blacklist-check

On Mon, Jan 27, 2020 at 8:02 AM Colin Stanners  wrote:

> A long time ago we had an issue where a banking website wouldn't function
> for a specific customer on dual-NAT, but it functioned when they were put
> on a public IP. I believe that it was a combination of a too-strict /
> over-bureaucratic firewall at the bank's end and the NAT affecting path MTU
> discovery somehow. It was too much work to troubleshoot for one residential
> customer so I just put them on a public IP.
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 27, 2020 at 9:46 AM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> We have been having issues where customers that are NAT (double NAT) are
>> unable to connect to the Illinois mytax website. I assume its got to do
>> with security of the site and the double NAT. Changing to a public IP
>> resolves it, so its not a huge issue. We see that it appends a _/ to the
>> end of it so its  https://mytax.illinois.gov/_/ I dont know what that is
>> about.
>>
>> Is there anything else a guy can do aside from going to all publics? We
>> dont do CG NAT because our ratio isnt all that high and we just got more
>> ARIN space that we need to clean up and provision
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Re: [AFMUG] clutter data and drones

[Dan Spitler]

Just to chime in here: Nearmap is doing yearly, higher-res
photogrammetry captures of major (sub)urban areas across the US. You can
purchase pre-rendered surface models from which you can do all sorts of fun
things with.
Also, Google's SAS program has a network planner included which allows you
to get elevation profiles *with* clutter using the same data as seen on
Google Earth. My only problem with it is it only does low-rez RF
propagation (no simple viewesheds) and the data is of unknown vintage.

On Wed, Dec 18, 2019 at 1:19 PM Chuck Hogg 
wrote:

> Here's 2 examples of 2m vs 30m data as well for Google Earth.  If the list
> serv strips them, let me know.
>
> Look at the shadows created by buildings and trees as far as coverage goes
> in the 2M data.
>
> These are random locations in Louisville.  The City of Louisville released
> their data for free.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 18, 2019 at 4:14 PM Chuck Hogg 
> wrote:
>
>> Also, check your states/counties/cities.  Some states have had
>> initiatives to map this data.  The forestry fire service also maps this
>> data.  There are also point clouds created with this data.  Ky for example
>> has this data from 2013 to 2018.  The 2018 data is still being compiled.
>> It's also free.  Virginia had whole portions of the state done in 2017.
>>
>> One good resource is:
>> https://www.usgs.gov/core-science-systems/ngp/3dep
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 18, 2019 at 4:11 PM Chuck Hogg 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> The LIDAR data processing for a 2M resolution of an OMNI on the platform
>>> I'm using takes about 45-75 seconds.  The same 30M resolution is typically
>>> a done in a second.  These are done using 10km radiuses currently, but I'm
>>> increasing it to 20km.  As you know this will cause it to be significantly
>>> heavier on the processing.  A geotiff file for one access point using 2M
>>> data at 10km radius is about 18MB.  The same GeoTIFF for 30M data is under
>>> 1MB.  30M is 900Meters squared.  2M is 4M squared.  Roughly 225x more
>>> datapoints in 2M.
>>>
>>> Best Regards, Chuck Hogg   |  *SVP/Director of Acquisitions*
>>> *ALL POINTS* *BROADBAND *| *Live Connected.*
>>> mobile  502.435.6649
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Dec 18, 2019 at 3:45 PM Brian Webster 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I do not know the answer to that but I suspect that they are just using
 the images from multiple angles.



 Thank You,

 Brian Webster

 www.wirelessmapping.com

 www.Broadband-Mapping.com



 *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
 *Sent:* Wednesday, December 18, 2019 3:23 PM
 *To:* af@af.afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] clutter data and drones



 Good question





 On 12/18/2019 3:05 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

 Does Google actually have LIDAR or are they just running the images
 that they collect from multiple angles through an algorithm to guess at the
 obstructions?



 -
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 Intelligent Computing Solutions 
 
 
 
 
 Midwest Internet Exchange 
 
 
 
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 *To: *af@af.afmug.com
 *Sent: *Wednesday, December 18, 2019 1:53:10 PM
 *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] clutter data and drones

 Looks like no 3D building/trees in the profile.

 On 12/18/2019 1:57 PM, Brian Webster wrote:

 Adam,



 If you draw a line between the AP and the address point and then right
 click to show elevation profile, does it look like it’s including the 3D
 building/tree as part of the profile or just terrain.



 We are lucky in NY that the state has mapped every 911 address to the
 rooftop and they make it available for download. Not everyone has data that
 accurate. 911 address collection quality varies county by county. Not every
 county has put it in the public domain for download either.



 Thank You,

 Brian Webster

 www.wirelessmapping.com

 www.Broadband-Mapping.com



 *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com ] *On
 Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
 *Sent:* Wednesday, December 18, 2019 1:09 PM
 *To:* af@af.afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] clutter data and drones



 NY State makes E911 address points available online.  Imported 

Re: [AFMUG] cnHeat Promotion

[Dan Spitler]

Curious if anyone knows where they get their data from? Based on their
vague map, I'd say public LIDAR sources which can be pretty old these days.

On Tue, Nov 5, 2019 at 11:58 AM  wrote:

> Would this be the
>
> 450H
>
> 450L
>
> 450C
>
> Or the  450R ?
>
> *From:* Ray Savich via AF
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 5, 2019 8:44 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Cc:* Ray Savich
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] cnHeat Promotion
>
>
> For the first 100 WISPs in the USA: Purchase four 450m, 450i AP, or ePMP
> 3000 now through December 20 and receive a 1year subscription to cnHeat
> LOCATE and 500 cnHeat IDENTIFY addresses for free.
> https://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/cnHeat/cnHeat-IDENTIFY-Promotion-Free-One-Year-Subscription-Free-500/td-p/110476
>
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>
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>
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Re: [AFMUG] Winston Privacy

[Dan Spitler]

Oh boy
https://support.winstonprivacy.com/hc/en-us/articles/360027638111-Am-I-responsible-for-other-users-activity-that-is-routed-through-my-Winston-via-the-Distributed-Privacy-Mesh-Network-
Let the random abuse complaints begin!

On Thu, Sep 12, 2019 at 5:17 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Customer called today, he got one of these devices via some sort of
> kickstarter.  They tell him to put it on the Internet side of his router,
> and that it should just work.  It doesn’t, and he then has no Internet.  We
> use PPPoE.  I don’t see how this thing can work, unless it does the PPPoE
> and essentially takes  the place of the router.  When he called them, of
> course the told him that his ISP needs to “open ports”.
>
>
>
> https://winstonprivacy.com/
>
>
>
> Of course, the customer is also an Applehead.
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Re: [AFMUG] Mesh whole house wifi

[Dan Spitler]

TR-069 support isn’t actually enabled though. Have to bug them and after a
lot of back-and-forth they’ll enable a beta release for specific MACs you
give them. (side-note: I really wish the binaries were readily available)
Of course, I haven’t had time to play with it but think I will tonight.

How much for a Gigacenter and repeater? I’ve always wanted to try one, but
didn’t want to bother  with the whole procurement process.



On Thursday, September 5, 2019, Ryan's Amplex  wrote:

> Welp just figured out what I’m doing tonight.  So much for mowing the
> lawn.
>
> On Sep 5, 2019, at 4:58 PM, Clint Wiley  wrote:
>
> I thought the latest Amplifi firmware supported TR-069?
>
>
>
> https://community.amplifi.com/topic/1862/firmware-v3-0-0
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Clint Wiley
>
> Hagerstown Fiber Internet
>
>
>
> *From: *AF  on behalf of Ryan Hill <
> rh...@amplex.net>
> *Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Date: *Thursday, September 5, 2019 at 4:39 PM
> *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Mesh whole house wifi
>
>
>
> I went through exactly the list of options that you mentioned David.  My
> favorite was the Amplifi, it worked flawlessly but it is expensive, and
> didn’t have access to the unifi controller which stunk.  They answer to
> that has been the Dream Machine which is better but still requires it’s own
> Unifi Controller which stinks for what were looking for.  We explored Calix
> extensively and even bought 25 Gigacenters and the Mesh units(Let me know
> if someone wants them?) but we too didn’t want to undertake using their
> cloud since we own our own ACS.  The onboarding of the Calix ourselves into
> our ACS wasn’t something we have time to do so we scrapped Calix.
>
> This leaves Cambium or Ubnt
>
> We’ve been selling managed router services with the r201s for a couple
> years but just started testing now the  r201s meshed with themselves and or
> the e430H wall units is working ok, or Unifi devices which we are deploying
> rapidly for business class applications and managing with the unifi
> controller.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> * Ryan Hill *
>
>Operations Manager
>
>  *Amplex I**nternet*
>
>   (419)837-5015 Ext 1047
>
>   www.amplex.net
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sep 5, 2019, at 4:13 PM, Robert Andrews  wrote:
>
>
>
> We had customers try orbi and found a couple of problems.   1st was that
> you could not set the channel that it used for mesh.   There was a place to
> in the config but it didn't actually change anything ( it lied ) and if it
> chose a channel we were delivering on, all hell broke loose. Second was
> that we had a customer pick theirs up from Costco when they were selling
> them and when the customer went to upgrade the firmware ( hopefully to fix
> the mesh channel thing ) there was no firmware available for the mesh unit
> they had purchased.   They looked, we drove out there and looked,   The
> unit number was nowhere in the orbi support firmwares and could not be
> upgraded.
>
> Disqualified because of those two things..
>
>
>
> On 09/05/2019 11:47 AM, David Coudron wrote:
>
> We looked at a bunch of different options and decided to provide Netgear
> Orbi Mesh.   What we looked at was:
> Ubiquiti Amplifi – worked great in our tests, but there is no remote
> management option
> Calix Gigacenter – also worked great, but really need to commit to their
> cloud management.  That was too big a commitment for just the few meshes we
> do
> TP Link, Google and a bunch of others – all would likely work, but most
> didn’t have remote management and/or a dedicated backhaul channel.
> Mikrotik – Not really in the same category, but wasn’t a serious
> consideration as it was way to complicated and under performing
> Netgear checked the boxes that were important to us:
> Readily available
> Remotely manageable
> Dedicated backhaul channel
> Reasonably priced
> Passed our simple testing
> Regards,
> David Coudron
> *From:*AF  *On Behalf Of *Clint Wiley
> *Sent:* Thursday, September 5, 2019 1:36 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Mesh whole house wifi
> Hi all,
> For those of you offering ‘whole house’ wifi services, what are you
> deploying? We know that the one sore point for our users is wifi coverage.
> Our ONT vendor (zhone) has been promising a solution for almost a year now
> but it still isn’t ready and, quite frankly, lacks the end user management
> features others might have. We’d like remote management so we can assist in
> setting SSID’s and changing passwords, et.
> Thanks,
> Clint
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Fwd: FCC ID SWX-AF60 Application Processed : Ubiquiti Inc. for New Equipment

[Dan Spitler]

Based on my poking around on the UniFi Building Bridge, these are probably
Peraso-based 802.11ad i.e. the same hardware as found in IgniteNet's
products.

On Fri, Aug 30, 2019 at 8:59 AM castarritt .  wrote:

> No, you need to wait for 802.11ow
>
> On Fri, Aug 30, 2019 at 10:49 AM  wrote:
>
>> I wonder if you could amp one up and turn it into an “active denial”
>> product...
>>
>> *From:* Mike Hammett
>> *Sent:* Friday, August 30, 2019 9:42 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fwd: FCC ID SWX-AF60 Application Processed :
>> Ubiquiti Inc. for New Equipment
>>
>> Yes, 60 GHz is unlicensed.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP 
>> 
>>
>>
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>> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
>> *Sent: *Friday, August 30, 2019 10:34:41 AM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Fwd: FCC ID SWX-AF60 Application Processed :
>> Ubiquiti Inc. for New Equipment
>>
>> Is this unlicensed?
>>
>> *From:* Gino A. Villarini
>> *Sent:* Friday, August 30, 2019 9:16 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fwd: FCC ID SWX-AF60 Application Processed :
>> Ubiquiti Inc. for New Equipment
>>
>>
>> Test reports shows you the light baby! WiGig chipset FTW!
>>
>>
>>
>> [image: A screenshot of a cell phone Description automatically generated]
>>
>>
>>
>> *Gino*
>> *Villarini *Founder/President
>> @gvillarini
>> t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204
>> m:
>> [image: aeronet-logo]  [image: inc500]
>>  [image: fb-logo]
>>   [image: insta-logo]
>>   [image: in-logo]
>>   [image:
>> tw-logo]
>> 
>>   [image: yt-logo]
>> 
>> www.aeronetpr.com | Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, PR 00968
>>
>> *From: *AF  on behalf of Chuck Macenski <
>> ch...@macenski.com>
>> *Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Date: *Friday, August 30, 2019 at 10:52 AM
>> *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Fwd: FCC ID SWX-AF60 Application Processed :
>> Ubiquiti Inc. for New Equipment
>>
>>
>>
>> I am not going to comment on new products, but I will remind everyone
>> that we came from Motorola, not Cambium!
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 30, 2019 at 9:22 AM Colin Stanners 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Unfortunately the AirFiber 60 FCC submission does not urrently include
>> the user guide, so there's many things that are still unknown about it, but
>> some notes from my quick view:
>>
>>
>>
>> -The Ubiquiti Early Access store lists it for $300. At that low price I'd
>> be quite surprised if it was based on FPGA or Ubnt's proprietay silicon -
>> it's likely Wi-Fi chipset based. This would be the first member of the
>> AirFiber family that is Wi-Fi chipset based, in which case I'd have
>> questions about its performance, especially in number of PPS, and software
>> stability. (Currently the AirFiber line is what I consider Ubiquiti's best
>> products - kind of expected since the ex-Cambium team was involved).
>>
>>
>>
>> -I'm surprised of the manufacturers (Ubnt and MT) that use a grid dish at
>> 60Ghz; at that wavelengthand considering their experience in using solid
>> dishes, I would think it would be easier and cheaper to use a solid dish.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti UFiber

[Dan Spitler]

SNMP! When did that (finally) happen?

On Mon, Aug 12, 2019 at 6:22 PM Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi] 
wrote:

> We have been using it in production since July 30, 2018.  Much testing
> before then.
>
> Nearly 100 subs on them so far and no issues in current firmware.  Early
> beta FW had some memory leaks in the ONU but I don’t think we have had a
> single trouble call in months from a fiber customer.
>
> Overall, it does a good job of moving the bits downstream without a lot of
> fuss.
>
> We use UNMS to monitor.  You can use SNMP instead if you want.
>
> ONU in Router mode can route a full gig.  Bridge mode can do a gig
> (obviously).
>
> We are using the NanoG instead of the Loco because I like the screens and
> they come with gig POE adapters which we use.
>
>
>
> Jim Bouse
> Owner - Brazos WiFi
> 979-985-5912
> http://www.brazoswifi.com
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Jason McKemie
> *Sent:* Monday, August 12, 2019 8:08 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Ubiquiti UFiber
>
>
>
> Has anyone out there had this in a production environment for any period
> of time? Good, bad, ugly?
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Re: [AFMUG] LightPointe

[Dan Spitler]

They've been around a while, though I've never used anything of theirs.
Kind of hard to take a radio that looks like this
https://www.lightpointe.com/airelink-60.html seriously.
Their 10G 60 GHz product looks like a Vubiq rebrand

On Mon, May 6, 2019 at 11:56 AM Paul Conlin 
wrote:

> Never heard of them before now. Lots of products. Their backhauls do 5G
> and not just 4G!!! VERY cool. ;)
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Paul Conlin
> Blaze Broadband
> O: (540) 905-4049
> C: (540) 219-5176
>
> On May 6, 2019 2:46 PM, SmarterBroadband  wrote:
>
> Just received a flyer from LightPointe in the post.   Has anyone tried /
> used LightPointe?
>
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Re: [AFMUG] 500 foot shot

[Dan Spitler]

I'd recommend the Wireless Wire/wAP version. LHG at that distance is a bit
overkill and with Mikrotik removing TX power control (grrr) I've seen some
flakiness with links that close.

On Tue, Apr 30, 2019 at 7:11 AM Dennis Burgess via AF 
wrote:

> LGH60, MikroTik 60GHz, 1gig full duplex Done.
>
>
>
>
>
> *[image: LTI-Full_175px]*
>
> *Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer *
>
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>
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> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * SmarterBroadband
> *Sent:* Monday, April 29, 2019 4:15 PM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] 500 foot shot
>
>
>
> We need to put up a 100Meg link for our county.   Possible they may
> eventually need 500Meg.   Is the IgniteNet 60Ghz solid and ready for prime
> time?   I would use AF24 but this link is about 4 degrees off an existing
> AF24 link!!!  Could use Siklu but don’t see using it anywhere else so would
> need to hold a spare.   However if IgniteNet worked well I could see other
> uses.   Other thoughts?
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Adam
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Re: [AFMUG] Customer signal issues: UBNT versus KP Performance 2.4 omni's

[Dan Spitler]

Ubnt advertises the -6 dBi beamwidth vs the typical -3 dBi.
In the case of the omni, there's a -5 dBi falloff in the H chain at "0°"
and "180°"

On Fri, Apr 26, 2019 at 10:44 AM Robert Andrews 
wrote:

> I also thought that UBNT also measured their antennas differently than
> most everyone else?  But I believe they did so to give better numbers
> than competitors, which would actually give worse numbers to the cpe's
> in the field?  Just saying that 13 ubnt does not equal 13 with anyone else?
>
> Best,
> Robert
>
> On 04/26/2019 09:21 AM, Matt Corcoran wrote:
> > The omni radiation patterns are not perfectly round.Maybe the
> > Ubiquiti antenna was pointed optimally at them while the  new antenna is
> > not, or is better rounded.
> >
> > Also the gain varies within the frequency range.  Old antenna might have
> > been target more towards wifi,  while the other might be targeted more
> > for 2.5/2.6ghz BRS/EBS LTE.
> >
> > Both should have graphs so you can see the differences.
> >
> > *Matt*
> >
> > *From: *AF  on behalf of Jay Weekley
> > 
> > *Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> > *Date: *Friday, April 26, 2019 at 12:12 PM
> > *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> > *Subject: *[AFMUG] Customer signal issues: UBNT versus KP Performance
> > 2.4 omni's
> >
> > After a storm we noticed that customer signal levels dropped a lot on a
> > 2.4 GHz omni. Especially the received signals on the AP. Water had
> > gotten in so we replaced the omni, radio and the connectors and the
> > signal levels were better but didn't return to their original levels and
> > are still about 5 db lower than they were before the storm. The original
> > omni was a Ubiquiti AMO-2G13 and was replaced with a 13 dBi
> > KPPA-2GHZ-DPOMA-WC-2.
> >
> > The Ubiquiti antenna has 2 degrees of downtilt versus 1 with the KP
> > Performance antenna. Would this be enough difference to cause the
> > problem? What else could it be?
> >
> > Here are the antenna data sheets:
> > KP Performance antenna.
> > https://streakwave.com/mmSWAVE1/Video/amo_ds_20170106.pdf
> > <
> https://streakwave.com/mmSWAVE1/Video/amo_ds_20170106.pdf?fbclid=IwAR2W3cHhzAJtt2pIxOoqbWsgj0_UwOTjfpCXi5QhKf8llEoJ0KchQtVBy7g
> >
> >
> > Ubiquiti antenna
> > https://www.streakwave.com/…/KPPA-2GHZ-DPOMA-WC-2_datasheet…
> > <
> https://www.streakwave.com/mmSWAVE1/Video/KPPA-2GHZ-DPOMA-WC-2_datasheets_US.pdf?fbclid=IwAR3Fffk8DlLf21wvYH_eidyLy2ndaZe-qhb_17LBVF_NGz7OEla1dp5a1_E
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Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik 60ghz

[Dan Spitler]

They're pretty awesome with the latest firmware. Using dishes with wAPs is
a bit dicey, though; they're hard to align and if you're too close it seems
like they overpower the AP. Mikrotik removed the ability to lower the TX
power which used to fix that. :/

On Thu, Apr 18, 2019 at 12:20 PM David Coudron 
wrote:

> Not the PTMP yet.   However, we have been using the PTP Wireless Wires.
> They seem to be pretty reliable.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> David Coudron
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Matt
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 18, 2019 2:15 PM
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> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Mikrotik 60ghz
>
>
>
> Anyone tried the Mikrotik 60ghz ptmp product yet? Feedback?
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Re: [AFMUG] Fwd: FCC ID SWX-60GL Application Processed : Ubiquiti Networks, Inc. for New Equipment

[Dan Spitler]

They accidentally leaked it to the beta store early and has been "coming
soon" for a while now:
https://store.ui.com/collections/early-access/products/gbe-us-beta
Since it was approved, I'm hoping to snag a pair once they're available,
though I think the Mikrotik kit is a better deal: Cheaper, simpler
form-factor, beamforming (doesn't appear the Ubnt has it based on the FCC
docs), and multipoint support (just guessing the Ubnt is point-to-point
only for now).

On Fri, Mar 29, 2019 at 11:05 AM Colin Stanners  wrote:

> Ubiquiti outdoor 60Ghz
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Re: [AFMUG] Clutter / Surface Data for Map App?

[Dan Spitler]

DigitalGlobe did something with Rise last year: 
https://www.risebroadband.com/2017/05/digitalglobe-provide-elevation-data-rise-broadband/


We got a quote from them but it was quite high for us (something like 
10s of thousands of dollars for decent resolution).


Nearmap has a 3D product now that's cheaper (sub 10k), but still a bit 
pricey. Doubt they have coverage in PR, though.


We were using USGS LIDAR flattened into a DSM that worked wonderfully, 
but the data was from 2010 and showing its age. The city of San 
Francisco had a DSM from 2014 they were kind enough to share and are 
hopefully getting one for 2018.


Looks like USGS has LIDAR clouds for PR from 2015 though I don't know 
how useful that will be these days: https://apps.nationalmap.gov/download/


On 11/20/18 10:10 AM, Gino A. Villarini wrote:


And include building data to determine LOS?

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*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Clutter / Surface Data for Map App?

TowerCoverage can do that with the mobile version, it can use your GPS 
location to do a path analysis. J


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*From:*AF  *On Behalf Of *Gino A. Villarini
*Sent:* Tuesday, November 20, 2018 11:39 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* [AFMUG] Clutter / Surface Data for Map App?

Hey guys, we are trying to build a LOS App for our installers, the 
idea is for the to use the phone camera as an AR to pinpoint LOS to 
the nearest towers.


We want to include clutter data so that the buildings are included in 
the LOS calculations.


Anyone knows were to get this data from? It seems DEMS data does not 
include it.


Or how can we extract this data from Google Earth? The 3D view has the 
data we need.


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Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik LHG60 PTP RF polarity

[Dan Spitler]

Believe it's just single-pol, but not sure which.


On 07/11/2018 01:29 PM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:

It's dual linear H&V polarity from the feed to the dish, right?






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