Re: [AFMUG] It has begun

[Sean Heskett]

/23 2:12 PM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
>>>
>>> I loved what the Gov of Utah told a bunch of school kids yesterday.
>>>
>>> “Republicans are wrong about Democrats and Democrats are wrong about
>>> Republicans. Why? Here’s why — because, what we’re doing now is we’re only
>>> listening to the most extreme voices in those parties. So Republicans are
>>> only listening to the craziest Democrats and assuming that all Democrats
>>> are like that. Democrats are only listening to the craziest Republicans and
>>> assuming all Republicans are like that. When the difference between the
>>> average Democrat and the average Republican, really isn’t that big.”
>>>
>>> *From:* Mike Hammett
>>> *Sent:* Friday, March 24, 2023 12:37 PM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] It has begun
>>>
>>> There's no meaningful difference between authoritarian left and
>>> authoritarian right, which are what catch the most attention.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
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>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
>>>
>>>
>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
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>>> *From: *"Darin Steffl" mailto:darin.ste...@mnwifi.com
>>> *To: *"AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com
>>> *Sent: *Thursday, March 23, 2023 9:40:58 PM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] It has begun
>>>
>>> To be fair, anything left leaning is better for humanity. The right
>>> doesn't seem to care about anyone different than them. There's very little
>>> empathy from the right so if AI is here, it's best that it cares about all
>>> people in the information it provides.
>>>
>>> Don't bite my head off. I'm socially liberal and fiscally conservative.
>>> I care about all people, even if I don't like them.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 23, 2023, 6:25 PM Steve Jones 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://techcrunch.com/2023/03/23/openai-connects-chatgpt-to-the-internet/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I have to admit, Ive been using the shit out of chatgpt, from writing
>>>> configs, to search engine replacement that actually answers questions, and
>>>> just general fuckery to see what I can get it to do. It wont kill engineers
>>>> or turn off exhaust systems in the building if you were curious. It does
>>>> have a massive left leaning political bias.
>>>>
>>>> But some of the stuff it couldnt do because it wasnt connected to the
>>>> internet, so now ill be back at it. I hope i can get it to do some wargames
>>>> stuff.
>>>>
>>>> ...
>>>>
>>>> would you like to play a game
>>>>
>>>> Sure, I would love to play a game with you! What game would you like to
>>>> play?
>>>> [image: Steve Jones]
>>>> global thermo nuclear warfare
>>>>
>>>> I'm sorry, but I cannot play a game of global thermonuclear warfare
>>>> with you as it is not a real game, but rather a fictional concept
>>>> popularized by the 1983 film "WarGames." Additionally, it is not
>>>> appropriate to simulate a scenario involving nuclear weapons as it could be
>>>> potentially harmful and insensitive to those affected by nuclear weapons in
>>>> the past. Is there another game you would like to play instead?''
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[AFMUG] BDC info for Tarana RN and BN

[Sean Heskett]

Hello,

Does any one have the antenna gain and Tx power settings for the Tarana BN
and RN in both 3GHz and 5GHz.  We need this for our BDC filing and it's not
in the Tarana spec sheet.

Thanks,

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Re: [AFMUG] Solar panel ice/snow buildup

[Sean Heskett]

How big is your propane tank?

In the cold temps you need a large tank that is mostly full to keep the
pressure high so it stays a vapor.

If the tank is small and/or below ~40% full then in the cold temps it
doesn’t stay a vapor and the engine won’t run.

This site has a good explanation:

https://www.hunker.com/13418816/how-does-cold-affect-propane-tanks


-Sean


On Mon, Nov 14, 2022 at 5:00 PM lists gogebicrange.net <
li...@gogebicrange.net> wrote:

> Sean,
>
> We have had a bear of a time getting out propane generator to start below
> 10 degrees and defiantly below zero. What system are you using and does it
> start in the cold?  Everything I have found commercially available is setup
> for a grid tie with a small heater on the carb that runs on grid power.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Brandon
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Sean Heskett
> *Sent:* Saturday, November 12, 2022 2:44 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Solar panel ice/snow buildup
>
>
>
> In addition to froth-pak, be sure to tilt them at [latitude] + 23.5.
>
>
>
> We are at 40 north so we tilt the panels at about 65*
>
>
>
> 40 + 23.5 = 63.5*
>
>
>
> At that angle when there’s any amount of direct sunlight it slides pretty
> quick.
>
>
>
> But we also have a propane generator on-site because the stars don’t
> always align just right :-/
>
>
>
> -Sean
>
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 11, 2022 at 3:02 PM James Howard  wrote:
>
> I have a vague memory of a thread in bygone years about testing different
> kinds of coatings to help with buildup of snow/ice but I can’t find the
> thread and don’t remember if it was about solar panels or dish antennas.
>
>
>
> The only thing I can find when I search my archive is about using
> froth-pak on the back of the panels.  Are there any other options that work?
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Solar panel ice/snow buildup

[Sean Heskett]

In addition to froth-pak, be sure to tilt them at [latitude] + 23.5.

We are at 40 north so we tilt the panels at about 65*

40 + 23.5 = 63.5*

At that angle when there’s any amount of direct sunlight it slides pretty
quick.

But we also have a propane generator on-site because the stars don’t always
align just right :-/

-Sean

On Fri, Nov 11, 2022 at 3:02 PM James Howard  wrote:

> I have a vague memory of a thread in bygone years about testing different
> kinds of coatings to help with buildup of snow/ice but I can’t find the
> thread and don’t remember if it was about solar panels or dish antennas.
>
>
>
> The only thing I can find when I search my archive is about using
> froth-pak on the back of the panels.  Are there any other options that work?
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Is Motorola Chuck still on afmug? (I forget his last name)

[Sean Heskett]

Hey chuck!

Good to hear from you again!  Yeah I remember at one of the animal farms
you were talking about how canopy was a secret project that wasn’t intended
to escape but did.

It was also cool when I visited the Schaumburg campus for training and
seeing some of the display items in the lobby.  The best was the model T
(or some other vintage car, I can’t remember now) that had a record player
in the dash…motor ola ;-)

Pretty cool stuff, reminded me of the xerox park labs etc.

Hope you are doing well!

-Sean




On Wed, Sep 21, 2022 at 11:07 PM Chuck Macenski  wrote:

> I wish the author would have listed some of the names/email addresses to
> see if there were any I knew. There were tons of proof of concept
> "products" built in the research labs whose existence never escaped the
> walls of Motorola. Often they were built to identify new technologies
> that warranted future development work.
>
> Working in the labs was fun, but you could never talk about what you were
> working on. Canopy was one of the few that escaped when no one was looking
> (this is more true than you might believe).
>
> On Wed, Sep 21, 2022 at 11:33 PM Chuck Macenski 
> wrote:
>
>> Heisenburg
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 21, 2022 at 11:21 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>
>>> Check out this article about an electric Corvette Motorola made in the
>>> early 1990’s
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.thedrive.com/culture/we-found-motorolas-secret-chevy-corvette-ev-prototype-from-the-1990s
>>>
>>>
>>>
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[AFMUG] Is Motorola Chuck still on afmug? (I forget his last name)

[Sean Heskett]

Check out this article about an electric Corvette Motorola made in the
early 1990’s

https://www.thedrive.com/culture/we-found-motorolas-secret-chevy-corvette-ev-prototype-from-the-1990s



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Re: [AFMUG] We Want Your Ideas

[Sean Heskett]

TVWS please!



On Tue, Jul 19, 2022 at 7:58 AM Ray Savich via AF  wrote:

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> of the survey results.
>
> Take the Survey
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> The survey results are expected to be published this summer.
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Re: [AFMUG] Tower PoE Switch Recommendations

[Sean Heskett]

We were using planet switches but found they have some limitations we don’t
like and they don’t really update their firmware unless it’s a security
issue.

We’ve been deploying mikrotik switches lately with good success.

-Sean


On Tue, Jul 19, 2022 at 3:37 PM Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> Thanks, what switches have you been having good luck with?
>
> On Tue, Jul 19, 2022 at 3:47 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
>> Our preferred solution is:
>> Switch of your choice + Packetflux Rack injector
>>
>> With the rack injector you can power pretty much anything.  And with the
>> switch of your choice you have unlimited options from dumb switch to layer3
>> or even full blown router
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 19, 2022 at 9:38 AM Jason McKemie <
>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Does anyone have any recommendations on a solid PoE switch to use at a
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Re: [AFMUG] Tower PoE Switch Recommendations

[Sean Heskett]

Our preferred solution is:
Switch of your choice + Packetflux Rack injector

With the rack injector you can power pretty much anything.  And with the
switch of your choice you have unlimited options from dumb switch to layer3
or even full blown router



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> Does anyone have any recommendations on a solid PoE switch to use at a
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Re: [AFMUG] Raspberry Pi Shortage

[Sean Heskett]

I bought some pi4’s on Amazon the other day.  I think I had to buy it as a
“kit” tho as no one had just the board.

-Sean

On Tue, Jun 21, 2022 at 10:27 AM Matt  wrote:

> Any ideas when the shortages on these will stop? Was wanting to order
> a few of them for a monitoring project but they're just not available.
> I do not want to feed scalpers either.
>
> I guess this relates to the shortages of many things.
>
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Re: [AFMUG] What is the supply chain situation from a WISP perspective?

[Sean Heskett]

I’m pretty sure we tried to order everything we thought we’d need for the
whole year upfront so we weren’t waiting for anything once summer build
season hit.

Any residual orders would be stuff we forgot or new plans that popped up
last minute.

-Sean


On Thu, Jun 16, 2022 at 12:11 PM Forrest Christian (List Account) <
li...@packetflux.com> wrote:

> So the sales at packetflux have been very much more volatile this year.
> Like we'll go fairly long stretches with few sales, then a blast of orders
> will come through.   On average we're doing pretty much as expected but on
> the short term it swings from "how are we ever going to make all of this
> stuff" to "I hope the orders pick back up since we don't have any more room
> to store stock".   Like I said, we're doing fine on average, it's just that
> I'm curious what is driving this odd ordering pattern
>
> I have talked to a couple of customers and it seems like this might be a
> side effect of the way WISPs order stuff nowadays, and also shortages from
> other (radio) vendors.   For instance, I would expect that if a WISP can't
> get radios for their towers they also aren't going to be ordering PoE
> injectors for the nonexistent radios.   I also know that a lot of people
> have moved to "order several months at once" instead of "order as you go".
>
> So I'm curious what everyone is seeing or doing from the WISP viewpoint.
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Maverick

[Sean Heskett]

If you are ever in Las Vegas or San Diego you can go fly the Extra 330 with
these guys:
https://www.skycombatace.com

Worth every penny in my opinion!!


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On Tue, May 31, 2022 at 2:25 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

> I did upset training in Mesa in an Extra.  That was a bunch o fun.
>
> *From:* Robert
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 31, 2022 2:22 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Maverick
>
> Not that I have flown it, but I do internet for the Air Races and have
> sponsored a couple of the Unlimited teams.  I have had a fair amount of
> "hanger talk" about flying the various unlimiteds and stock versions of the
> 51 are highly regarded as good platforms.  They have some areas of the
> envelope that bite hard, but are easy to stay away from with any effort of
> paying attention.  I came so close to getting a ride one year just
> before the crash.
>
> On 5/31/22 1:08 PM, Steven Kenney via AF wrote:
>
> If the P51 is as difficult to master as it is in DCS I gotta give him some
> props (pardon then  pun).   Taildraggers can be a real drag (sorry again)
>
> On Tue, May 31, 2022 at 3:48 PM Robert  wrote:
>
>> That is one of two P-51's he owns.  He used to fly the two seater with a
>> instructor all the time to satisfy insurance ( movie, not aviation )
>> requirements, but finally got good/comfortable enough to satisfy the movie
>> insurance companies and have enough "pull" to negotiate through it and (
>> this is second hand ) bought the single seater.   The two seater is still
>> his favorite from what I was also told, as he loves to take his close
>> friends flying.   That a/c has shown up at Reno at least once, but Cruise
>> has not.  There is a good interview with his co star about going flying
>> with him and his mastery comforting her fears.
>>
>>   Apparently his bit of sailing in this film may have given him just
>> enough taste to hook him on that according to some of the crew that was
>> below decks during the sailing scenes, as he asked about doing some more up
>> on SF bay, where he moved from SD after the sailing scenes there were too
>> boring..  A few of the crew are FB friends and were chatting about it when
>> asked.  He is amazing about making _all_ the people involved feel important
>> according the the crew as long as you are being completely professional.
>>
>> On 5/31/22 11:46 AM, Steven Kenney via AF wrote:
>>
>> I met the actual F14 pilot who was the consultant for the film and flew
>> with Tom Cruise.  We had a LAN Party with a bunch of pilots playing Falcon
>> 4.0 after it was released.  Forget his name but I have pics at home to back
>> it up lol.  We watched Top Gun and he described every scene what they had
>> to do, and how much of it was fake.  He did mention the actors were barfing
>> and couldn't handle it.
>>
>> We had a lot of good laughs like one scene Cruise is on the motorcycle
>> the guy says "he's actually being towed there" and if you look you'll
>> notice yeah you can't see the wheels its just a close shot.
>>
>> Now Tom flies on his own!
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1iZtBM23bY=1s  I wonder if that
>> actually is his P51.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, May 28, 2022 at 3:34 PM Robert  wrote:
>>
>>> No model a/c ...   No continuity errors from wings swept to unswept
>>> frame to frame.   Cruise insisted on all the right stuff so there would
>>> never be another movie to compare.   It was great watching the interview
>>> on youtube about the bad guys tasking sats on the life sized model..
>>>
>>> On 5/28/22 8:43 AM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists wrote:
>>> > The flying was better
>>> >
>>> > Jeff Broadwick
>>> > CTIconnect
>>> > 312-205-2519 Office
>>> > 574-220-7826 Cell
>>> > jbroadw...@cticonnect.com
>>> >
>>> >> On May 28, 2022, at 11:17 AM, Bill Prince 
>>> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> Saw a review in our local rag. Reviewer felt this sequel might be
>>> better than the original.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> bp
>>> >> 
>>> >>
>>> >>> On 5/27/2022 7:36 PM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists wrote:
>>> >>> Loved it!  First time in a movie theater since Covid.  The P51 was
>>> icing on the cake!
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Jeff Broadwick
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political

[Sean Heskett]

Yeah the libertarian platform I agree with, the Koch brothers and the
(Ron/Rand) Paul family are too far out there in whackadoodle land for me.

-Sean


On Fri, May 20, 2022 at 7:02 AM  wrote:

> I read the Libertarian part platform and thought I could be on board.  I
> registered as Libertarian and carried the card in my wallet.
>
> …..and then I met the other libertarians.  Some I can relate with and some
> others are absolutely insane.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 19, 2022 6:47 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political
>
>
>
> Yeah, the nutjobs ruined that designation. I used to partially identify as
> libertarian, I don't do that anymore.
>
> On Thursday, May 19, 2022, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
> Here in ColoRADo voting libertarian ends up getting people like Lauren
> Bobert elected lol :-/
>
>
>
> On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 9:15 AM Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
> It's not a throwaway vote  You have to vote libertarian if you want a
> libertarian!
>
>
>
> On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 11:06 AM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
> 
>
>
>
> Mmmkay everyone, all you “woke” people are tried and cranky, y’all need to
> go back to bed and get some rest.
>
>
>
> -Sean
>
>
>
> (For the record I’m registered independent , socially liberal, fiscally
> conservative, I would vote libertarian if it wasn’t a throwaway vote)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 8:53 AM Chuck McCown via AF 
> wrote:
>
> Well, maybe their thin skin needs some toughening up.  Everyone could use
> some more grit.
>
>
>
> In my experience, those that feel compelled to “call out” people never
> affect positive change.  And frequently they harm themselves in the
> trying.  Becoming toxic themselves to those they are trying to
> shame/expose/coerce/educate/put down.
>
>
>
> What good does it do to tell some red necked construction worker that he
> is being racist?  I just avoid those with views I abhor.  And I try to
> teach by example.  But I never call anyone out.  At work, if they are my
> employee, I address the concern in private.  If they don’t change I fire
> them.
>
>
>
> Social justice warriors are idiots in my opinion.  They invent a noble
> cause with which to enshroud themselves while acting out in socially
> impolitic ways, a good reason, in their mind,  to be an anarchist.  Look at
> antifa and proud boys.
>
>
>
> Exact same people, doing the exact same things, for the exact same
> reasons.  The ONLY difference is some contrived battle line they are trying
> to advance.
>
>
>
> *From:* Cameron Crum
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 19, 2022 7:42 AM
>
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political
>
>
>
> You stirred the liberal hornets nest now, Chuck.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 7:51 AM  wrote:
>
> Weirdly opposite here.  My brothers are vocally alt-right.  All
> ex-military, all purport to be Christian.  One is dead from substance abuse
> and suffered a variety of mental health issues.  The surviving two are
> always broke, angry, and unhappy.  I feel like I have to tiptoe around them
> so they don’t fly off the handle about anything.
>
>
>
> …..and I’m not at all “woke”.  I just know it’s not for me to pass
> judgement.
>
>
>
> On the other hand, this is NY.  Maybe they feel like they’re the rebels
> fighting the evil liberal death star.  Maybe your kids in Utah feel like
> they’re the rebels fighting the evil Republican death star.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown via AF
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 18, 2022 6:11 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Cc:* Chuck McCown 
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT mildly political
>
>
>
> Woke, broke, in therapy and crazy unhappy.
>
>
>
> That is how I would describe some of my kids.
>
>
>
> The alt right unwoke ones seem to have money and happiness.
>
>
>
> Never expected I would not be able to speak my mind at family dinners just
> to be able to still see some of my kids.
>
> Feel like I was convicted in absentia, thrown in the hole for a lifetime
> sentence, but taken out of solitary confinement now and then at their whims
> just so they could claim to have compassion on me for a half hour walk in
> the woods.  Maybe longer if I pay for dinner.
>
>
>
> Odd times
>
> I loved my parents and grandparents.
>
> Never felt they had to earn it.
>
> Never would have thought of condemning them for the things they said.
>
>
>
> Funny, I have a sister th

Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political

[Sean Heskett]

Don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying Lauren Bobert is a libertarian, she is
FAR from it.  What I meant was when the options are:

Moderate democrat
Whackadoodle republican (Bobert)
Libertarian

My 1st choice would be libertarian,
2nd choice would be moderate democrat (they do exist)
3rd choice is NOT the whackadoodle

In CO 35-40% of voters are republican, 35-40% democrat and 20-30%
independent

If I don’t vote for the democrat and vote for the libertarian there’s
enough republicans that my vote becomes a “throwaway” vote and i instead
inadvertently help the whackadoodle get elected.  Which is the WORST
possible outcome.

Ranked choice voting would solve this but that’s a discussion and a can of
worms for another thread/day lol.

-Sean



On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 4:47 PM Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> Yeah, the nutjobs ruined that designation. I used to partially identify as
> libertarian, I don't do that anymore.
>
> On Thursday, May 19, 2022, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
>> Here in ColoRADo voting libertarian ends up getting people like Lauren
>> Bobert elected lol :-/
>>
>> On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 9:15 AM Josh Luthman 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> It's not a throwaway vote  You have to vote libertarian if you want
>>> a libertarian!
>>>
>>> On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 11:06 AM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>>
>>>> 
>>>>
>>>> Mmmkay everyone, all you “woke” people are tried and cranky, y’all need
>>>> to go back to bed and get some rest.
>>>>
>>>> -Sean
>>>>
>>>> (For the record I’m registered independent , socially liberal, fiscally
>>>> conservative, I would vote libertarian if it wasn’t a throwaway vote)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 8:53 AM Chuck McCown via AF 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Well, maybe their thin skin needs some toughening up.  Everyone could
>>>>> use some more grit.
>>>>>
>>>>> In my experience, those that feel compelled to “call out” people never
>>>>> affect positive change.  And frequently they harm themselves in the
>>>>> trying.  Becoming toxic themselves to those they are trying to
>>>>> shame/expose/coerce/educate/put down.
>>>>>
>>>>> What good does it do to tell some red necked construction worker that
>>>>> he is being racist?  I just avoid those with views I abhor.  And I try to
>>>>> teach by example.  But I never call anyone out.  At work, if they are my
>>>>> employee, I address the concern in private.  If they don’t change I fire
>>>>> them.
>>>>>
>>>>> Social justice warriors are idiots in my opinion.  They invent a noble
>>>>> cause with which to enshroud themselves while acting out in socially
>>>>> impolitic ways, a good reason, in their mind,  to be an anarchist.  Look 
>>>>> at
>>>>> antifa and proud boys.
>>>>>
>>>>> Exact same people, doing the exact same things, for the exact same
>>>>> reasons.  The ONLY difference is some contrived battle line they are 
>>>>> trying
>>>>> to advance.
>>>>>
>>>>> *From:* Cameron Crum
>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, May 19, 2022 7:42 AM
>>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political
>>>>>
>>>>> You stirred the liberal hornets nest now, Chuck.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 7:51 AM  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Weirdly opposite here.  My brothers are vocally alt-right.  All
>>>>>> ex-military, all purport to be Christian.  One is dead from substance 
>>>>>> abuse
>>>>>> and suffered a variety of mental health issues.  The surviving two are
>>>>>> always broke, angry, and unhappy.  I feel like I have to tiptoe around 
>>>>>> them
>>>>>> so they don’t fly off the handle about anything.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> …..and I’m not at all “woke”.  I just know it’s not for me to pass
>>>>>> judgement.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On the other hand, this is NY.  Maybe they feel like they’re the
>>>>>> rebels fighting the evil liberal death star.  Maybe your kids in Utah 
>>&

Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political

[Sean Heskett]

Here in ColoRADo voting libertarian ends up getting people like Lauren
Bobert elected lol :-/

On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 9:15 AM Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> It's not a throwaway vote  You have to vote libertarian if you want a
> libertarian!
>
> On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 11:06 AM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
>> 
>>
>> Mmmkay everyone, all you “woke” people are tried and cranky, y’all need
>> to go back to bed and get some rest.
>>
>> -Sean
>>
>> (For the record I’m registered independent , socially liberal, fiscally
>> conservative, I would vote libertarian if it wasn’t a throwaway vote)
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 8:53 AM Chuck McCown via AF 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Well, maybe their thin skin needs some toughening up.  Everyone could
>>> use some more grit.
>>>
>>> In my experience, those that feel compelled to “call out” people never
>>> affect positive change.  And frequently they harm themselves in the
>>> trying.  Becoming toxic themselves to those they are trying to
>>> shame/expose/coerce/educate/put down.
>>>
>>> What good does it do to tell some red necked construction worker that he
>>> is being racist?  I just avoid those with views I abhor.  And I try to
>>> teach by example.  But I never call anyone out.  At work, if they are my
>>> employee, I address the concern in private.  If they don’t change I fire
>>> them.
>>>
>>> Social justice warriors are idiots in my opinion.  They invent a noble
>>> cause with which to enshroud themselves while acting out in socially
>>> impolitic ways, a good reason, in their mind,  to be an anarchist.  Look at
>>> antifa and proud boys.
>>>
>>> Exact same people, doing the exact same things, for the exact same
>>> reasons.  The ONLY difference is some contrived battle line they are trying
>>> to advance.
>>>
>>> *From:* Cameron Crum
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, May 19, 2022 7:42 AM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political
>>>
>>> You stirred the liberal hornets nest now, Chuck.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 7:51 AM  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Weirdly opposite here.  My brothers are vocally alt-right.  All
>>>> ex-military, all purport to be Christian.  One is dead from substance abuse
>>>> and suffered a variety of mental health issues.  The surviving two are
>>>> always broke, angry, and unhappy.  I feel like I have to tiptoe around them
>>>> so they don’t fly off the handle about anything.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> …..and I’m not at all “woke”.  I just know it’s not for me to pass
>>>> judgement.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On the other hand, this is NY.  Maybe they feel like they’re the rebels
>>>> fighting the evil liberal death star.  Maybe your kids in Utah feel like
>>>> they’re the rebels fighting the evil Republican death star.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown via AF
>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 18, 2022 6:11 PM
>>>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>>>> *Cc:* Chuck McCown 
>>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT mildly political
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Woke, broke, in therapy and crazy unhappy.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> That is how I would describe some of my kids.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The alt right unwoke ones seem to have money and happiness.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Never expected I would not be able to speak my mind at family dinners
>>>> just to be able to still see some of my kids.
>>>>
>>>> Feel like I was convicted in absentia, thrown in the hole for a
>>>> lifetime sentence, but taken out of solitary confinement now and then at
>>>> their whims just so they could claim to have compassion on me for a half
>>>> hour walk in the woods.  Maybe longer if I pay for dinner.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Odd times
>>>>
>>>> I loved my parents and grandparents.
>>>>
>>>> Never felt they had to earn it.
>>>>
>>>> Never would have thought of condemning them for the things they said.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Funny, I have a sister that lives 1000 miles from me.  Our families
>>>> were separate all while the kids were growing.
>>>>
>>>> But some of hers have done the same things to her.  Using the exact
>>>> same vernacular.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Must have something to do with energy drinks I think.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political

[Sean Heskett]

Mmmkay everyone, all you “woke” people are tried and cranky, y’all need to
go back to bed and get some rest.

-Sean

(For the record I’m registered independent , socially liberal, fiscally
conservative, I would vote libertarian if it wasn’t a throwaway vote)



On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 8:53 AM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

> Well, maybe their thin skin needs some toughening up.  Everyone could use
> some more grit.
>
> In my experience, those that feel compelled to “call out” people never
> affect positive change.  And frequently they harm themselves in the
> trying.  Becoming toxic themselves to those they are trying to
> shame/expose/coerce/educate/put down.
>
> What good does it do to tell some red necked construction worker that he
> is being racist?  I just avoid those with views I abhor.  And I try to
> teach by example.  But I never call anyone out.  At work, if they are my
> employee, I address the concern in private.  If they don’t change I fire
> them.
>
> Social justice warriors are idiots in my opinion.  They invent a noble
> cause with which to enshroud themselves while acting out in socially
> impolitic ways, a good reason, in their mind,  to be an anarchist.  Look at
> antifa and proud boys.
>
> Exact same people, doing the exact same things, for the exact same
> reasons.  The ONLY difference is some contrived battle line they are trying
> to advance.
>
> *From:* Cameron Crum
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 19, 2022 7:42 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT mildly political
>
> You stirred the liberal hornets nest now, Chuck.
>
>
> On Thu, May 19, 2022 at 7:51 AM  wrote:
>
>> Weirdly opposite here.  My brothers are vocally alt-right.  All
>> ex-military, all purport to be Christian.  One is dead from substance abuse
>> and suffered a variety of mental health issues.  The surviving two are
>> always broke, angry, and unhappy.  I feel like I have to tiptoe around them
>> so they don’t fly off the handle about anything.
>>
>>
>>
>> …..and I’m not at all “woke”.  I just know it’s not for me to pass
>> judgement.
>>
>>
>>
>> On the other hand, this is NY.  Maybe they feel like they’re the rebels
>> fighting the evil liberal death star.  Maybe your kids in Utah feel like
>> they’re the rebels fighting the evil Republican death star.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown via AF
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 18, 2022 6:11 PM
>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>> *Cc:* Chuck McCown 
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT mildly political
>>
>>
>>
>> Woke, broke, in therapy and crazy unhappy.
>>
>>
>>
>> That is how I would describe some of my kids.
>>
>>
>>
>> The alt right unwoke ones seem to have money and happiness.
>>
>>
>>
>> Never expected I would not be able to speak my mind at family dinners
>> just to be able to still see some of my kids.
>>
>> Feel like I was convicted in absentia, thrown in the hole for a lifetime
>> sentence, but taken out of solitary confinement now and then at their whims
>> just so they could claim to have compassion on me for a half hour walk in
>> the woods.  Maybe longer if I pay for dinner.
>>
>>
>>
>> Odd times
>>
>> I loved my parents and grandparents.
>>
>> Never felt they had to earn it.
>>
>> Never would have thought of condemning them for the things they said.
>>
>>
>>
>> Funny, I have a sister that lives 1000 miles from me.  Our families were
>> separate all while the kids were growing.
>>
>> But some of hers have done the same things to her.  Using the exact same
>> vernacular.
>>
>>
>>
>> Must have something to do with energy drinks I think.
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Re: [AFMUG] Ot: vauluing an investor

[Sean Heskett]

See if he’ll give you a loan with a good interest rate (for him) instead.
 (6-10%)

If you do give up some ownership I wouldn’t give up more than 25% unless
it’s a total 50-50 type work environment.  If his only contribution is
money and not labor then keep ahold of as much as you can.

Good luck!

-Sean

On Thu, Mar 17, 2022 at 11:46 AM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> So im buying out a friends business. Not big, small drill and such. Enough
> that a guy can get started and build upward. I just am afraid of heights
> and want to get lower and build something with my kid.
>
> I have an interested party that made me an offer, it will get me a second
> truck and mini excavator plus a pretty substantial recurring investment,
> about 80 percent of what im paying.
>
> He wants to know what i think is a fair percent for the offe. But i cant
> see any way that has a return for him with me retaining any ownership.
>
> Im projecting best case around 220k revenue in the startup year, and fuel
> is laying claim to a pretty big chunk of that.
>
> This is a guy who tried to recruit me last year, and hes made clear hes
> looking to invest in a person. While that is roses, im not sure how it
> scales to a return for him.
>
> I can see buying into an existing outfit, but this just seems to have no
> way where numbers make sense.
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: CBRS

[Sean Heskett]

15, 2022 10:35 AM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: CBRS
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I mean I did and I'm horrible at tests.  I did the Google test at
>>> Coursera.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> There simply can't and won't be a company CPI.  If you leave the company
>>> then the company needs to recertify.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Feb 15, 2022 at 10:30 AM Steve Jones 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Were any of us really absorbing all that much when we did CPI? It was
>>> new, half of it wasnt even finalized, the course was too long and dry for
>>> the small volume of info.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> speaking of CPI, have they created a company CPI yet? ours is my name
>>> and if I transition from employee to contractor Im curious how that impacts
>>> the registered CBSDs
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Feb 15, 2022 at 8:49 AM Josh Luthman <
>>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> It's like 90% of the class for your CPI, I mean clearly you weren't
>>> paying attention :P  The requirement is to report the height and position.
>>> Every time.  Every CPE, every AP.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If it's operating under your NN license, which is almost certainly
>>> expired, you're operating illegally.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If you're operating under CBRS it requires you to report every CPE.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Feb 15, 2022 at 7:55 AM Andy Trimmell 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I’m sitting here wondering how I missed this in CPI training. I believed
>>> that what was supposed to be “registered” was a CBSD which had specific
>>> height requirements and type which these units aren’t exceeding these
>>> specifications.   Yes the product is Baicells.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Anyone else here that uses Baicells gone down this road too with a
>>> similar assumption?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
>>> *Sent:* Monday, February 14, 2022 4:35 PM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: CBRS
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> With Baicells LTE it's possible to leave the CPE in non-CBRS mode
>>> (either by not enabling it, or by just never upgrading the firmware to the
>>> CBRS capable version), and they'll connect to a CBRS eNB just fine... I
>>> wouldn't be surprised if that's true for some of the other LTE products too.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 14, 2022 at 3:23 PM  wrote:
>>>
>>> Well it occurred to me that I’m thinking of Cambium 450 which forces you
>>> to play by the rules by disabling bridging until the CPE is authorized by
>>> the SAS.  Maybe Andy has a different product that works differently.
>>>
>>> ….but yeah all fixed CPE are supposed to be in the SAS.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I think mobile devices don’t need to be registered.  Since Andy
>>> mentioned eNB I’m guessing maybe he’s got an LTE product, and maybe the
>>> vendor allows you to pretend the UE are all mobile?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Mathew Howard
>>> *Sent:* Monday, February 14, 2022 4:16 PM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: CBRS
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Yeah, if they're still running without being registered, you've got some
>>> problems that need fixing...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 14, 2022 at 3:09 PM  wrote:
>>>
>>> If you’re using CBRS then your CPE can’t connect at all if it’s not
>>> registered with the SAS.  It literally won’t connect.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I think you may be stuck in another time period.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Andy Trimmell
>>> *Sent:* Monday, February 14, 2022 4:05 PM
>>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT: CBRS
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Do all of you individually register your CPEs?   I just got an email out
>>> of the blue telling me I need to register each one of the CPEs that are
>>> connected to my eNBs.  Am I just misunderstanding what he’s saying?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Andy Trimmell
>>>
>>> *Business Manager*
>>>
>>> *PDS Connect*
>>>
>>> 317-831-3000
>>>
>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] 60GHz Equipment

[Sean Heskett]

Cambium is certified terragraph mesh which allows you to use clients as
distribution points for other clients.

Big advantage since you don’t have to secure tons of “tower” sites.

-Sean


On Fri, Feb 11, 2022 at 11:28 AM Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> I'm looking to deploy this for a short-range downtown network from a
> multi-story building, does anyone have any recommended equipment vendors in
> this band? It looks like Cambium, Siklu, and Ignitenet have offerings, but
> I'm not sure what differentiates them.
>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT C-150 or C=172 for sale

[Sean Heskett]

Chuck there is also:
www.controller.com
www.trade-a-plane.com

-Sean


On Sat, Jan 29, 2022 at 7:00 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

> I need to get two of my sons to finish their private pilot’s license.
> Any leads to nice aircraft to buy?
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Re: [AFMUG] OT C-150 or C=172 for sale

[Sean Heskett]

Haha!  So true 

The thing is hard to slow down but it sips gas and gets me there fast!
 8gph @152kts true.


On Sun, Jan 30, 2022 at 11:21 AM Chuck McCown via AF 
wrote:

> Mooney, the only airplane you have to climb to land...
>
> I like 2 doors and high wings.  But they are fast, flew one for years.
>
> *From:* Sean Heskett
> *Sent:* Sunday, January 30, 2022 11:33 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT C-150 or C=172 for sale
>
> I found my 1967 Mooney on barnstormers.com
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jan 29, 2022 at 7:35 PM Chuck McCown via AF 
> wrote:
>
>> Kitfox. Piper cub.  Anything safe.
>>
>> Chuck McCown
>> McCown Technology Corporation
>> 8401 N Commerce Dr
>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/8401+N+Commerce+Dr+Lake+Point,+%0D%0AUtah+84074?entry=gmail=g>
>> Lake Point, Utah 84074
>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/8401+N+Commerce+Dr+Lake+Point,+%0D%0AUtah+84074?entry=gmail=g>
>> 801-250-9503
>> 435-830-4306 cell
>> www.mccowntech.com
>> www.microtrench-blades.com
>> www.terabitnetworks.com
>>
>> *From:* Chuck McCown via AF
>> *Sent:* Saturday, January 29, 2022 7:59 PM
>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>> *Cc:* ch...@go-mtc.com
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT C-150 or C=172 for sale
>>
>> I need to get two of my sons to finish their private pilot’s license.
>> Any leads to nice aircraft to buy?
>>
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT C-150 or C=172 for sale

[Sean Heskett]

I found my 1967 Mooney on barnstormers.com



On Sat, Jan 29, 2022 at 7:35 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

> Kitfox. Piper cub.  Anything safe.
>
> Chuck McCown
> McCown Technology Corporation
> 8401 N Commerce Dr
> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/8401+N+Commerce+Dr+Lake+Point,+%0D%0AUtah+84074?entry=gmail=g>
> Lake Point, Utah 84074
> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/8401+N+Commerce+Dr+Lake+Point,+%0D%0AUtah+84074?entry=gmail=g>
> 801-250-9503
> 435-830-4306 cell
> www.mccowntech.com
> www.microtrench-blades.com
> www.terabitnetworks.com
>
> *From:* Chuck McCown via AF
> *Sent:* Saturday, January 29, 2022 7:59 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Cc:* ch...@go-mtc.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT C-150 or C=172 for sale
>
> I need to get two of my sons to finish their private pilot’s license.
> Any leads to nice aircraft to buy?
>
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Re: [AFMUG] cnWave v3000 in snowy environments

[Sean Heskett]

Until cambium or another vendor provides a better professional solution
then we gotta do what we gotta do lol.

Sean

On Thu, Jan 6, 2022 at 11:34 AM Colin Stanners  wrote:

> Wrapping antennas in cellophane is like going back to early 2000s "indoor
> Linksys routers in tupperware" hackery.
>
> On Thu, Jan 6, 2022, 12:08 PM Sean Heskett,  wrote:
>
>> We are going to try some different sprays as well as wrapping the antenna
>> in cellophane (like what boat owners use to winterize their boats) to
>> create a makeshift radome
>>
>> Sean
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 6, 2022 at 7:26 AM Josh Luthman 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Travis's suggestion of a hefty garbage bag comes to mind.  That was the
>>> best they found.  But since it's high frequency it's probably not hiding
>>> from plain sight on a tower.
>>>
>>> Have you tried an annual spray of NeverWet?  Works great on my shoes.
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373?entry=gmail=g>
>>> Suite 1337
>>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373?entry=gmail=g>
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373?entry=gmail=g>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 5, 2022 at 6:02 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello,
>>>>
>>>> Are there any other WISPs who have installed cambium cnWave v3000s in a
>>>> snowy environment? We are having trouble with snow building up on the
>>>> dishes.
>>>>
>>>> It would be nice if Cambium allowed you to install it upside down but
>>>> then the cable glands are facing up.
>>>>
>>>> It would also be nice if there was some sort of radome.
>>>>
>>>> Or if there was a heating pad you could power with the AUX port power.
>>>>
>>>> thoughts??  ideas??
>>>>
>>>> Does anyone have a good solution they are using?
>>>>
>>>> *Sean Heskett*
>>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] cnWave v3000 in snowy environments

[Sean Heskett]

We are going to try some different sprays as well as wrapping the antenna
in cellophane (like what boat owners use to winterize their boats) to
create a makeshift radome

Sean


On Thu, Jan 6, 2022 at 7:26 AM Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> Travis's suggestion of a hefty garbage bag comes to mind.  That was the
> best they found.  But since it's high frequency it's probably not hiding
> from plain sight on a tower.
>
> Have you tried an annual spray of NeverWet?  Works great on my shoes.
>
> Josh Luthman
> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373?entry=gmail=g>
> Suite 1337
> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373?entry=gmail=g>
> Troy, OH 45373
> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/1100+Wayne+St+Suite+1337+Troy,+OH+45373?entry=gmail=g>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 5, 2022 at 6:02 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> Are there any other WISPs who have installed cambium cnWave v3000s in a
>> snowy environment? We are having trouble with snow building up on the
>> dishes.
>>
>> It would be nice if Cambium allowed you to install it upside down but
>> then the cable glands are facing up.
>>
>> It would also be nice if there was some sort of radome.
>>
>> Or if there was a heating pad you could power with the AUX port power.
>>
>> thoughts??  ideas??
>>
>> Does anyone have a good solution they are using?
>>
>> *Sean Heskett*
>>
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[AFMUG] cnWave v3000 in snowy environments

[Sean Heskett]

Hello,

Are there any other WISPs who have installed cambium cnWave v3000s in a
snowy environment? We are having trouble with snow building up on the
dishes.

It would be nice if Cambium allowed you to install it upside down but then
the cable glands are facing up.

It would also be nice if there was some sort of radome.

Or if there was a heating pad you could power with the AUX port power.

thoughts??  ideas??

Does anyone have a good solution they are using?

*Sean Heskett*

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Re: [AFMUG] PacketFlux Site Monitor

[Sean Heskett]

Not to distract form packetflux’s products but…

We opt for no LVD, honestly I’d rather have the internet up and running as
long as possible at the expense of having to replace batts early.

In our experience (in NW ColoRADo) you can deep discharge AMG batts quite a
few times with little impact to lifespan (ymmv)

Sean



On Mon, Dec 20, 2021 at 10:59 AM Jason Wilson 
wrote:

> Hopefully Forrest will chime in
>
> PacketFlux users Is there a way to have the site monitor or other
> products cut power to a relay port when power X gets to a certain voltage.
> Looking to do LVD at a solar site to shed some current draw before the
> solar LVD disconnects the load.
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Re: [AFMUG] PacketFlux Syncbox 12 external gps antenna

[Sean Heskett]

Awesome!  Thx forest.  I wasn’t aware of these.

On Wed, Oct 27, 2021 at 10:01 PM Forrest Christian (List Account) <
li...@packetflux.com> wrote:

> There are a couple of articles here of interest:
>
> cnPulse:
>
> https://packetflux.supporthero.io/article/show/95662-how-do-i-use-a-cnpulse-with-a-syncinjector-powerinjector-or-rackinjector
>
> uGPS:
>
> https://packetflux.supporthero.io/article/show/95658-how-do-i-use-a-ugps-with-a-syncinjector-powerinjector-or-rackinjector
>
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 27, 2021, 3:56 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
>> Hi Forest,
>>
>> Is there a way to feed sync from a cambium uGPS to your Rack Injector?
>>  the RI has an RJ-45 and the uGPS has an RJ-12, is there a special cable we
>> can make for them to work together?
>>
>> the uGPSs at this site seem to hold sync just fine but all the packetflux
>> gps devices are struggling with the new interference (it's a large
>> commercial tower)
>>
>> *Sean Heskett*
>>
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>>
>> On Sat, Sep 25, 2021 at 9:37 AM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi forest,
>>>
>>> Yes we have rack injectors on site providing sync over power to the
>>> APs.  However, we always like to have two sync sources especially at this
>>> site which is at 10,500 feet, gets an average of 400” of snow per year and
>>> is difficult to access fall/winter/spring because of snow or mud.
>>>
>>> What’s odd is we also have a UGPSs at this tower (to provide sync to our
>>> two CBRS 450m’s) and the UGPS isn’t loosing lock under the heavy
>>> interference.  Unfortunately the UGPS only does sync for 2 APs so we’d have
>>> to install 6 of them for the 5ghz array we have there instead of the one
>>> syncbox 12.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Sean
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Sep 24, 2021 at 8:35 PM Forrest Christian (List Account) <
>>> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> There isn't a good solution for timing port sync.
>>>>
>>>> However, there's always the power port sync option.   For modern
>>>> radios, you should be able to use a powerinjector+cambium sync up top, with
>>>> the GPS receiver down near the bottom.
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Sep 24, 2021 at 12:33 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Does anyone know if there is a way to either mount an external gps
>>>>> antenna or send sync from say a syncbox jr to a syncbox 12?
>>>>>
>>>>> We are on a commercial tower and with the syncbox 12 mounted near our
>>>>> APs there’s too much interference to get gps sync (probably due to some
>>>>> nearby cellular gear).  The only place we can get sync is near the ground
>>>>> so that would require running 12 sync cables up the tower in a shielded
>>>>> conduit.
>>>>>
>>>>> We tried contacting PacketFlux support but haven’t received a response
>>>>> yet.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Sean
>>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] PacketFlux Syncbox 12 external gps antenna

[Sean Heskett]

Hi Forest,

Is there a way to feed sync from a cambium uGPS to your Rack Injector?  the
RI has an RJ-45 and the uGPS has an RJ-12, is there a special cable we can
make for them to work together?

the uGPSs at this site seem to hold sync just fine but all the packetflux
gps devices are struggling with the new interference (it's a large
commercial tower)

*Sean Heskett*

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On Sat, Sep 25, 2021 at 9:37 AM Sean Heskett  wrote:

> Hi forest,
>
> Yes we have rack injectors on site providing sync over power to the APs.
> However, we always like to have two sync sources especially at this site
> which is at 10,500 feet, gets an average of 400” of snow per year and is
> difficult to access fall/winter/spring because of snow or mud.
>
> What’s odd is we also have a UGPSs at this tower (to provide sync to our
> two CBRS 450m’s) and the UGPS isn’t loosing lock under the heavy
> interference.  Unfortunately the UGPS only does sync for 2 APs so we’d have
> to install 6 of them for the 5ghz array we have there instead of the one
> syncbox 12.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Sean
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 24, 2021 at 8:35 PM Forrest Christian (List Account) <
> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>
>> There isn't a good solution for timing port sync.
>>
>> However, there's always the power port sync option.   For modern radios,
>> you should be able to use a powerinjector+cambium sync up top, with the GPS
>> receiver down near the bottom.
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 24, 2021 at 12:33 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>
>>> Does anyone know if there is a way to either mount an external gps
>>> antenna or send sync from say a syncbox jr to a syncbox 12?
>>>
>>> We are on a commercial tower and with the syncbox 12 mounted near our
>>> APs there’s too much interference to get gps sync (probably due to some
>>> nearby cellular gear).  The only place we can get sync is near the ground
>>> so that would require running 12 sync cables up the tower in a shielded
>>> conduit.
>>>
>>> We tried contacting PacketFlux support but haven’t received a response
>>> yet.
>>>
>>> -Sean
>>>
>>> --
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>>>
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>>
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Supply Chain Issues

[Sean Heskett]

I'm sorry to hear this Forest.

I wanted to send you some words of encouragement though.  Your products and
the solutions they provide are EXTREMELY valuable to not just my business
but our whole industry.  There is a slew of stuff your products accomplish
for us that would honestly take a fraken-monster to replicate.

I know it's tough going and there's not really an end in sight with these
supply chain issues, not just for you but for America and the world.
Unfortunately we've off-shored most of our manufacturing and that won't
come back home quick.  With all the weird things we've had to deal with the
last couple years, I have to keep telling myself "This too shall pass".

*But please please please keep doing what you are doing  You are a true
hero of the WISP world who makes products we all need!!!*

Please let us know if there's any way we can help.

*Sean Heskett*

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On Mon, Sep 27, 2021 at 4:06 PM Forrest Christian (List Account) <
li...@packetflux.com> wrote:

> I'm getting really tired of dealing with supply chain issues.   Like burnt
> out, don't want to do this anymore, I've had enough tired.
>
> Just the things I'm dealing with today:
>
> The last few days, all of my spare time has been related to reviewing
> options to replace a part which has become unobtainum.   Like as in,
> manufacturer has moved from a long lead time to 'don't bother asking'.
>  This seems to happen on a recurring basis now (with different parts) -
> versus pre-covid it was maybe once every year or two (since I'm careful to
> select parts to avoid this issue).   I've had one part I've had to switch
> vendors on like 6 times now.
>
> And it's not just parts, my enclosure manufacturer for the rackinjectors
> sent us this gem today:
>
> "We had the enclosures ready for pickup since last week, but our road is
> under maintenance and the whole street got ripped off. My forklift is not
> able to get off from our driveway to the road because the step is very
> steep. I heard the city will start paving tomorrow. Hopefully we can load
> the pallet by Wednesday."
>
> Can we please go back to the way it was in 2019 sometime soon?
>
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Re: [AFMUG] PacketFlux Syncbox 12 external gps antenna

[Sean Heskett]

I think I might try taking the sync from a syncbox jr and connect it to a
patch panel with 12 jacks like this one on Amazon.  (See below) That way we
can put the sync box jr where we can get sync but still put the
distribution point close the the APs.

Not sure if splitting sync 12 ways will degrade the signal tho.

-Sean

NavePoint 12-Port Cat6 UTP Unsheilded Mini Patch Panel with Wallmount
Bracket Included Black
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B008QR5LIU/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_glt_fabc_BWGY3ND2HF8YAZKRB3PG



On Sat, Sep 25, 2021 at 10:03 AM Chuck McCown via AF 
wrote:

> I wonder what would happen if you put foil on the inside of the syncbox
> everywhere except for a window for the GPS module?
> Or just a sheet of metal in the direction of where you think the
> interference is coming from.
>
> And/or, put a parasitic antenna element above the GPS module on the
> outside.  It would just be a metallic disk of the right diameter.
> Experiment with spacing.  I am guessing about a 4” diameter metallic disk.
> Actually you would want to go about 3.5 inches.  It needs to be smaller
> than a resonant patch.
>
> You could also put a ring in place of the disk.  A choke ring.  Too lazy
> to calculate it but it would probably be about 6-8” diameter.
>
> Forrest could experiment with this and see if he can get some more
> gain/directivity out of the system.
>
> *From:* Sean Heskett
> *Sent:* Saturday, September 25, 2021 9:37 AM
> *To:* Forrest Christian (List Account)
> *Cc:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] PacketFlux Syncbox 12 external gps antenna
>
> Hi forest,
>
> Yes we have rack injectors on site providing sync over power to the APs.
> However, we always like to have two sync sources especially at this site
> which is at 10,500 feet, gets an average of 400” of snow per year and is
> difficult to access fall/winter/spring because of snow or mud.
>
> What’s odd is we also have a UGPSs at this tower (to provide sync to our
> two CBRS 450m’s) and the UGPS isn’t loosing lock under the heavy
> interference.  Unfortunately the UGPS only does sync for 2 APs so we’d have
> to install 6 of them for the 5ghz array we have there instead of the one
> syncbox 12.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Sean
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 24, 2021 at 8:35 PM Forrest Christian (List Account) <
> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>
>> There isn't a good solution for timing port sync.
>>
>> However, there's always the power port sync option.   For modern radios,
>> you should be able to use a powerinjector+cambium sync up top, with the GPS
>> receiver down near the bottom.
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 24, 2021 at 12:33 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>
>>> Does anyone know if there is a way to either mount an external gps
>>> antenna or send sync from say a syncbox jr to a syncbox 12?
>>>
>>> We are on a commercial tower and with the syncbox 12 mounted near our
>>> APs there’s too much interference to get gps sync (probably due to some
>>> nearby cellular gear).  The only place we can get sync is near the ground
>>> so that would require running 12 sync cables up the tower in a shielded
>>> conduit.
>>>
>>> We tried contacting PacketFlux support but haven’t received a response
>>> yet.
>>>
>>> -Sean
>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] PacketFlux Syncbox 12 external gps antenna

[Sean Heskett]

Hi forest,

Yes we have rack injectors on site providing sync over power to the APs.
However, we always like to have two sync sources especially at this site
which is at 10,500 feet, gets an average of 400” of snow per year and is
difficult to access fall/winter/spring because of snow or mud.

What’s odd is we also have a UGPSs at this tower (to provide sync to our
two CBRS 450m’s) and the UGPS isn’t loosing lock under the heavy
interference.  Unfortunately the UGPS only does sync for 2 APs so we’d have
to install 6 of them for the 5ghz array we have there instead of the one
syncbox 12.

Thanks,

Sean


On Fri, Sep 24, 2021 at 8:35 PM Forrest Christian (List Account) <
li...@packetflux.com> wrote:

> There isn't a good solution for timing port sync.
>
> However, there's always the power port sync option.   For modern radios,
> you should be able to use a powerinjector+cambium sync up top, with the GPS
> receiver down near the bottom.
>
> On Fri, Sep 24, 2021 at 12:33 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
>> Does anyone know if there is a way to either mount an external gps
>> antenna or send sync from say a syncbox jr to a syncbox 12?
>>
>> We are on a commercial tower and with the syncbox 12 mounted near our APs
>> there’s too much interference to get gps sync (probably due to some nearby
>> cellular gear).  The only place we can get sync is near the ground so that
>> would require running 12 sync cables up the tower in a shielded conduit.
>>
>> We tried contacting PacketFlux support but haven’t received a response
>> yet.
>>
>> -Sean
>>
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[AFMUG] PacketFlux Syncbox 12 external gps antenna

[Sean Heskett]

Does anyone know if there is a way to either mount an external gps antenna
or send sync from say a syncbox jr to a syncbox 12?

We are on a commercial tower and with the syncbox 12 mounted near our APs
there’s too much interference to get gps sync (probably due to some nearby
cellular gear).  The only place we can get sync is near the ground so that
would require running 12 sync cables up the tower in a shielded conduit.

We tried contacting PacketFlux support but haven’t received a response yet.

-Sean

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: we gonna mum-mum-mummify yo ass!

[Sean Heskett]

Air incidences are up more than 30x this year

Used to have 100-150 per year.

In 2021 there’s already been ~4000

and air travel is still lower than 2019

-Sean


On Sat, Aug 14, 2021 at 3:36 PM Bill Prince  wrote:

> Turns out that (some) airlines have been using duct tape for years now.
> It's more noticeable now that almost everyone is carrying a camera.
>
>
>
> https://www.washingtonpost.com/travel/2021/08/13/duct-tape-flight-attendant-unruly-passenger/
>
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 8/9/2021 5:01 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>
> So don't grope flight attendants.  One of them might be BA Baracus.
>
> On 8/6/2021 4:17 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
>
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFoXmnBuLw0
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Re: [AFMUG] T-Mobile RF contact

[Sean Heskett]

Thanks for all your responses guys.  Really frustrating that the “big guys”
would just ignore the rules.

Might have to use chuck’s solution lol

On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 1:08 PM Tyson Burris  wrote:

> No contact information but I would say Mark is correct.
> The only reason I concluded this as well is we saw some issues on a Crown
> tower on one of our sectors.  Of all the sites we operate it was only this
> one and we knew a brand new T-Mobile box was just put in.
>
> That new T-Mobile colocation was done on a tower right next to the one we
> are on. (both crown towers about 10 ft apart)  The idiot crews left their
> rope still tied to the tower and left it.
>
> I spoke with Crown who washed their hands of it.  I called the T-Mobile
> NOC in Indy and a local number posted in their box, which wasn't even
> locked.
> Never did get a call.  P
>
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> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] T-Mobile RF contact
>
> I  can’t prove it yet, but I’m pretty sure there a number of mobile and
> iLEC’s running CBRS gear illegally.   Frontier has been playing pretty fast
> and loose with the rules around here.
>
> Mark
>
> > On Jul 14, 2021, at 2:39 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
> >
> > Does anyone know how to get in touch with a T-Mobile RF engineer?
> >
> > Our CBRS network has been receiving heavy interference from what we
> believe is a new T-Mobile site at an American tower facility.
> >
> > The equipment isn’t registered with the SAS and appears to be operating
> in the part 90 portion of the band 3650-3700mhz as a part 90 device and not
> a part 96 CBRS device.
> >
> > American tower has been no help other than opening a ticket.
> >
> > Federated is our SAS vendor and they haven’t been any help either other
> than telling us it’s not in the SAS.
> >
> > I’ve also done an application search in the FCC auction 105 (CRBS) site,
> but T-mobile must have been bidding under a different name.
> >
> > Any help is much appreciated,
> >
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[AFMUG] T-Mobile RF contact

[Sean Heskett]

Does anyone know how to get in touch with a T-Mobile RF engineer?

Our CBRS network has been receiving heavy interference from what we believe
is a new T-Mobile site at an American tower facility.

The equipment isn’t registered with the SAS and appears to be operating in
the part 90 portion of the band 3650-3700mhz as a part 90 device and not a
part 96 CBRS device.

American tower has been no help other than opening a ticket.

Federated is our SAS vendor and they haven’t been any help either other
than telling us it’s not in the SAS.

I’ve also done an application search in the FCC auction 105 (CRBS) site,
but T-mobile must have been bidding under a different name.

Any help is much appreciated,

-Sean Heskett
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Re: [AFMUG] Hey Bill

[Sean Heskett]

My dad bought our first color tv in 1977, I was 4 lol.  We had that thing
for 20+ years.  Used to slap it pretty hard on the right side when the
vertical hold would start scrolling :-/

-Sean


On Wed, Jul 7, 2021 at 8:10 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

> When was the first time you saw color TV?  I saw it at a neighbor’s house
> Apollo 10.
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Packetflux generator control board

[Sean Heskett]

Thanks for the info Forest.

We actually found a spare in our stockpile so we lucked out this time.

Look forward to the scripting capabilities of the base III tho!

-Sean

On Wed, Jun 30, 2021 at 12:25 AM Forrest Christian (List Account) <
li...@packetflux.com> wrote:

> If you put a base 3 in there, and use the relay, there is a pretty good
> chance that automatic control will be added in the near future.It's on
> the roadmap, near the top of the list, but any dates which might have been
> associated with any of the features got tossed out of the window due to all
> of the "fun" we've been having the last 12 months dealing with supply chain
> issues, employee staffing issues, unprecedented customer demand, and on and
> on and on and on and on and on and on (is it done yet?) and on.
> Things are finally settling back down but not to the point where I've been
> able to make an educated guess as to when these features will make it out
> the door.
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 29, 2021 at 3:30 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
>> If Forest is out there, do you have a new solution (or can we still
>> acquire a generator control board?)
>>
>> We have a 2 wire start generac that I need to start up if our solar site
>> gets too low.
>>
>> ideas??
>>
>> Can a site monitor be scripted to look at voltages and close a relay?
>>
>>
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[AFMUG] Packetflux generator control board

[Sean Heskett]

If Forest is out there, do you have a new solution (or can we still acquire
a generator control board?)

We have a 2 wire start generac that I need to start up if our solar site
gets too low.

ideas??

Can a site monitor be scripted to look at voltages and close a relay?


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[AFMUG] 800-CAT6-APC stock

[Sean Heskett]

Any distributors have any stock??

Thx,

Sean Heskett
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Re: [AFMUG] Favorite high capacity 11Ghz XPIC backhaul

[Sean Heskett]

So aviat and integraX = same speed (~1.4gbps) in 80mhz channel pair?

On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 8:05 PM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> It's like 10x faster in microsoft edge than in chrome, same with aviat
> store.
> You get 1.4 GB on 80 mhz. Comparable to the integra x. The latency is a
> magnitude higher, about half a millisecond, almost negligible.
> The interface is much more intuitive and user friendly than SAF, that's
> not a SAF bash at all, we would still be running SAF and bought a ton of
> SAF last year if Ken hadn't sold us all those radios of the truck so cheap.
>
> No VAR channel is really something you need to be prepared for if you're
> accustomed to it. It's not that they dont have decent sales, but it is a
> self service design. You need to ask a lot of questions and the store is
> getting better. It still has way too much stuff with no description. If the
> third party stuff had mfg part numbers it would be better to be able to go
> reference.
> Doing the license stuff through commsearch directly is a learning
> experience in itself, that was something the VAR handled for us before. But
> it's worth learning anyway. I really didnt understand what I thought I did,
> I thought we were licensing links. Nope, transmitters. It made it way
> easier to comprehend when we had to sign off on bucking (I think that's
> what they called it) we caused ourselves having so many links in proximity.
>
> I still think SAF is a taller product by a pinch, aviat was close enough
> that it came to cost and really nothing else.
> It's also layer1 aggregation which is hawt, our integras and lumina were
> not, that's a pita, but I believe integrax is
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 3, 2021, 7:37 PM Josh Baird  wrote:
>
>> The UI is very easy and functional. The networking config is dead
>> simple.   A bit slow, but it's being fixed in a new firmware.
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 7:01 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>
>>> what is the user interface for aviat like?  i assume useable and easy
>>> since a lot of you like them.  we are used to SAF which has been rock solid.
>>>
>>> what speeds are the radios pushing in an 80Mhz channel pair?
>>>
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>>> On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 4:54 PM Steve Jones 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> most of our aviat is xpic, no real issues to note. price is sketchy
>>>> cheap, i sometimes think that we arent actually buying from aviat and that
>>>> ken rupple just keeps stealing stuff off their trucks and selling it to us.
>>>> I dont care, best set of speakers i ever had came of the back of a truck.
>>>> We have 8 links we bought last year. we are running out of sites to put
>>>> them at.
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 5:23 PM Tim Hardy  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Whatever you end up with, make sure to pay attention to system gain.
>>>>> It is absolutely critical for modulations above 512 QAM..
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mar 3, 2021, at 6:19 PM, Darin Steffl 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> 
>>>>> Aviat
>>>>>
>>>>> Our link is solid
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 4:02 PM TJ Trout  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Ahh they can do two channel xpic with bridgewater?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 3, 2021, 2:00 PM TJ Trout  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I thought Aviat was the bits/hertz king?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 3, 2021, 1:53 PM Mathew Howard 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'd agree with that. If one 80mhz XPIC is all that's available,
>>>>>>>> it's hard to beat Aviat.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But if you have two adjacent channels available, you can close to
>>>>>>>> double the capacity with the Bridgewaves. If I remember correctly, 
>>>>>>>> SIAE can
>>>>>>>> do the same thing, but it'll cost quite a bit more.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 2:56 PM Jason McKemie <
>>>>>>>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

Re: [AFMUG] Favorite high capacity 11Ghz XPIC backhaul

[Sean Heskett]

what is the user interface for aviat like?  i assume useable and easy since
a lot of you like them.  we are used to SAF which has been rock solid.

what speeds are the radios pushing in an 80Mhz channel pair?

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On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 4:54 PM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> most of our aviat is xpic, no real issues to note. price is sketchy cheap,
> i sometimes think that we arent actually buying from aviat and that ken
> rupple just keeps stealing stuff off their trucks and selling it to us. I
> dont care, best set of speakers i ever had came of the back of a truck. We
> have 8 links we bought last year. we are running out of sites to put them
> at.
>
> On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 5:23 PM Tim Hardy  wrote:
>
>> Whatever you end up with, make sure to pay attention to system gain. It
>> is absolutely critical for modulations above 512 QAM..
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Mar 3, 2021, at 6:19 PM, Darin Steffl  wrote:
>>
>> 
>> Aviat
>>
>> Our link is solid
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 4:02 PM TJ Trout  wrote:
>>
>>> Ahh they can do two channel xpic with bridgewater?
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 3, 2021, 2:00 PM TJ Trout  wrote:
>>>
>>>> I thought Aviat was the bits/hertz king?
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Mar 3, 2021, 1:53 PM Mathew Howard 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I'd agree with that. If one 80mhz XPIC is all that's available, it's
>>>>> hard to beat Aviat.
>>>>>
>>>>> But if you have two adjacent channels available, you can close to
>>>>> double the capacity with the Bridgewaves. If I remember correctly, SIAE 
>>>>> can
>>>>> do the same thing, but it'll cost quite a bit more.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Mar 3, 2021 at 2:56 PM Jason McKemie <
>>>>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I'll follow that up by saying that if you only have one 80MHz xpic
>>>>>> channel available then I'd go with Aviat. I've got my first link from 
>>>>>> them
>>>>>> going up soon.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wednesday, March 3, 2021, Jason McKemie <
>>>>>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you've got the spectrum available I don't think anything can come
>>>>>>> close to Bridgewave's Navigator, at least not without buying multiple
>>>>>>> radios.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wednesday, March 3, 2021, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What is the latest and greatest highest capacity 11Ghz radio
>>>>>>>> everyone is in love with?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> asking for a friend ;-)
>>>>>>>>
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[AFMUG] Favorite high capacity 11Ghz XPIC backhaul

[Sean Heskett]

Hello,

What is the latest and greatest highest capacity 11Ghz radio everyone is in
love with?

asking for a friend ;-)

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Re: [AFMUG] Packetflux Base2 vs Base3

[Sean Heskett]

is the UI the same as the rack injectors??
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On Mon, Jan 11, 2021 at 1:42 PM Josh Baird  wrote:

> Yes - Base3's have been shipping for a while.  We have several of them
> installed.
>
> The UI is SO much nicer!  I don't know if they support all available
> modules yet, so you should make sure they do before ordering.
>
> On Mon, Jan 11, 2021 at 3:36 PM Nate Burke  wrote:
>
>> Looking at the Pacektflux website, it looks like the Base3 is the
>> replacing the Base2, and they really don't want to sell you a base2
>> anymore unless you really really are positively sure you want one. Are
>> the Base3's actually ready to ship?  I placed an order a week ago, and
>> haven't gotten any ship notice, emails to them Friday and today have not
>> been answered yet.  When I ordered a Base2 back in October, it shipped
>> next day.
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Re: [AFMUG] 5.9 STA

[Sean Heskett]

IANL (i am not a lawyer)

need to include justification for why you need to use it, also need to
include a "stop buzzer" contact in case you are interfering with an
incumbent.

we used steve coran sco...@lermansenter.com to dot all the "i's" and cross
all the "t's" but others have done all the work themselves.

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On Mon, Dec 21, 2020 at 11:27 AM Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> What does the letter need to contain that you attach to the application?
> I was trying to apply, but there are no guidelines as far as I can tell.
>
> On Mon, Dec 21, 2020 at 11:57 AM Peter Kranz via AF 
> wrote:
>
>> No fee to renew, I just recently had my 5.9 STA approved again.
>>
>>
>>
>> -PEter
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *James Howard
>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 17, 2020 1:15 PM
>> *To:* 'af@af.afmug.com' 
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] 5.9 STA
>>
>>
>>
>> Does anyone know if you have to pay a fee to renew the STA?   Our renewal
>> request has been sitting in pending for almost 3 weeks but nothing is
>> indicated as to why it’s still pending……
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Re: [AFMUG] 5.9 STA

[Sean Heskett]

IANL (I am not a lawyer) but my lawyer told me that as long as the
extension was filed before the expiration date of the current STA then you
are good to go.  No FCC fees for the STA.


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On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 2:15 PM James Howard  wrote:

> Does anyone know if you have to pay a fee to renew the STA?   Our renewal
> request has been sitting in pending for almost 3 weeks but nothing is
> indicated as to why it’s still pending……
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Re: [AFMUG] graphing 450m frame utilization

[Sean Heskett]

You want to graph sector utilization instead.

I don’t know the odi tho

Basically what you are seeing is that SU-MIMO maxes out when MU-MIMO takes
over and starts talking to multiple SMs.


-Sean


On Sun, Dec 13, 2020 at 8:23 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Anybody know the secret to checking or graphing frame utilization on a
> Cambium 450m AP?  The OID I am using is:
>
>
>
> 1.3.6.1.4.1.161.19.3.1.12.2.1.0
>
>
>
> That works reliably on a regular 450i AP, but seems to be way pessimistic
> on a 450m.  I will see the graph peg at 100%, but then an hour or two later
> the traffic graph will be double, so it seems like the AP wasn’t even close
> to maxed out.  I’m not sure what’s going on, perhaps the SMs with low
> modulation are maxing out but the AP can still send lots more data to the
> SMs with good modulation and that make use of MU-MIMO?  Like screw you bad
> boys, Santa’s going to give more presents to the good boys.
>
>
>
> Is there another OID I should be using?
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Re: [AFMUG] Managed Router Pricing

[Sean Heskett]

The U4s in our experience have almost the same range as the U6s...not quite
but almost.

We usually do a U6 for the main router and U4s as mesh units.

-Sean


On Tue, Dec 1, 2020 at 4:21 PM Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> I like this structure.  I'm also using Calix U6 units, might roll the U4
> as well, although I haven't done much testing with them yet.
>
> On Tue, Dec 1, 2020 at 3:30 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
>> $50 setup per device (router or mesh)
>> $12/mo Calix router (now U4 or U6 used to deploy 844E)
>> $5/mo Calix mesh (now U4 used to deploy 804mesh)
>>
>> After 3 years of being with Calix we now have ~60% of our subs on our
>> managed wifi.  It's a very easy upsell because when they call with
>> router/wifi issues we offer them a free trial for 1 to 3 months (depending
>> on how resistant they are) usually after the first day they see a HUGE
>> difference and never look back.
>>
>> We tell them when you buy our internet service that brings the connection
>> to your location.  When you order our managed wifi that brings the
>> connection to your devices and we have the ability to troubleshoot and help
>> keep devices connected.
>>
>> If they insist on using their router but call us with issues we politely
>> tell them to call the router manufacturer for help or subscribe to our
>> managed wifi service.  After one attempt at calling the manufacturer they
>> usually call us back and sign up for managed wifi.
>>
>> we also sell them on the fact that if the hardware ever breaks we'll
>> replace it for free (as long as it's not damage that broke the hardware ;-)
>>
>>
>> *Sean Heskett*
>>
>> *ZIRKEL *
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>>
>> On Tue, Dec 1, 2020 at 12:50 PM Jason McKemie <
>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>
>>> What are you guys charging for a residential managed router, if you're
>>> not including it in the price of service (mandatory)?
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Re: [AFMUG] Managed Router Pricing

[Sean Heskett]

On a side note, one thing that preseem really revealed to us was that if
they are having internal Wi-Fi issues on their network it has a HUGE
negative impact on your network due to all the re-transmissions.

Between preseem and Calix we’ve been able to drastically improve our
entire network.  Preseem helps us identify which clients have internal
network issues.  If they already have our Calix we can diagnose and
proactively help them fix the issue.  If they don’t have a Calix it’s a
good way to try to upsell.  Usually when we call they mention how the TV in
the basement is always buffering or something similar.  We get them a good
Wi-Fi signal to the device and everything runs better.

You’d be amazed at how much their crappy Wi-Fi is dragging down your whole
network.

2 cents.

-Sean


On Tue, Dec 1, 2020 at 1:46 PM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> we just give everybody a cambium router, currently r195. Default config,
> specific IP that is DMZ, specific ESSID/WPA Key. (toying with the end user
> login once we get that side worked out in CnMaestro) They dont like it, or
> it doesnt cover well enough, they buy their own solution and get support
> from that vendor. I cant see our customer base take rate being high enough
> for paid managed wifi to ever offset the costs/support demand. We did
> deploy our first managed CnPilot AP on a business account recently, thats a
> no brainer, but they pay more than 5 bucks a month, I think we are charging
> them 20 and will install and add devices and the need arises. 400 bucks per
> AP, recover 240/year, offering a unified low support wireless solution
> thats high enough capacity to justify rate plan increase. But their rate
> plans alone could justify providing it, the 20 bucks is just cream on top.
>
> On Tue, Dec 1, 2020 at 3:30 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
>> $50 setup per device (router or mesh)
>> $12/mo Calix router (now U4 or U6 used to deploy 844E)
>> $5/mo Calix mesh (now U4 used to deploy 804mesh)
>>
>> After 3 years of being with Calix we now have ~60% of our subs on our
>> managed wifi.  It's a very easy upsell because when they call with
>> router/wifi issues we offer them a free trial for 1 to 3 months (depending
>> on how resistant they are) usually after the first day they see a HUGE
>> difference and never look back.
>>
>> We tell them when you buy our internet service that brings the connection
>> to your location.  When you order our managed wifi that brings the
>> connection to your devices and we have the ability to troubleshoot and help
>> keep devices connected.
>>
>> If they insist on using their router but call us with issues we politely
>> tell them to call the router manufacturer for help or subscribe to our
>> managed wifi service.  After one attempt at calling the manufacturer they
>> usually call us back and sign up for managed wifi.
>>
>> we also sell them on the fact that if the hardware ever breaks we'll
>> replace it for free (as long as it's not damage that broke the hardware ;-)
>>
>>
>> *Sean Heskett*
>>
>> *ZIRKEL *
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>>
>> On Tue, Dec 1, 2020 at 12:50 PM Jason McKemie <
>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>
>>> What are you guys charging for a residential managed router, if you're
>>> not including it in the price of service (mandatory)?
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Re: [AFMUG] Managed Router Pricing

[Sean Heskett]

$50 setup per device (router or mesh)
$12/mo Calix router (now U4 or U6 used to deploy 844E)
$5/mo Calix mesh (now U4 used to deploy 804mesh)

After 3 years of being with Calix we now have ~60% of our subs on our
managed wifi.  It's a very easy upsell because when they call with
router/wifi issues we offer them a free trial for 1 to 3 months (depending
on how resistant they are) usually after the first day they see a HUGE
difference and never look back.

We tell them when you buy our internet service that brings the connection
to your location.  When you order our managed wifi that brings the
connection to your devices and we have the ability to troubleshoot and help
keep devices connected.

If they insist on using their router but call us with issues we politely
tell them to call the router manufacturer for help or subscribe to our
managed wifi service.  After one attempt at calling the manufacturer they
usually call us back and sign up for managed wifi.

we also sell them on the fact that if the hardware ever breaks we'll
replace it for free (as long as it's not damage that broke the hardware ;-)


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On Tue, Dec 1, 2020 at 12:50 PM Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> What are you guys charging for a residential managed router, if you're not
> including it in the price of service (mandatory)?
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Re: [AFMUG] Smart wireshark dudes

[Sean Heskett]

It’s probably using multicast to announce and discover other devices.  Kind
of like apple’s bonjour protocol etc.  This is probably normal behavior but
I’d check with the manufacturer to be sure.

You’d be surprised how much multicast is running around without your
knowledge.

-Sean


On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 11:43 AM Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> Running wireshark on a SCADA network and I am detecting a VFD using CIP
> trying to hit IP 239.192.128.229...
> I tried looking it up says Asis Pacific...
> Can someone give me more information on this IP?
> Thanks
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Re: [AFMUG] Giving Away an interference Google sheet I spent 1k on for free

[Sean Heskett]

Wow that is quite the offer Tim!
Thank you, I’ll send you a dm with email address.  Can send ya some beer
money too lol  cheers!

-Sean


On Thu, Nov 26, 2020 at 4:37 AM Timothy Steele 
wrote:

> Hello All,
>
> I paid an engineer around $1K to make this google sheet we use internally
> that seems to be helping
>
> it's limited to 400 Devices right now due to database limitations
>
> but after you fill in all the data it will tell you what AP's are creating
> self-interference here is a screenshot
>
> [image: image.png]
>
>
> I decided to give it to any WISP that wants it for FREE
> all I ask is that you send me an email at t...@wispconsult.com
> with your Gmail address you want it shared to
>
> I will Make a Copy and share it with you then you can copy it to your own
> Google Drive
>
> Excited to see how much farther others can take this
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Monolith.kmz

[Sean Heskett]

oh cool! I regularly fly over that area when going between CO and San
Diego...gonna have to make a little diversion next time ;-)


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On Wed, Nov 25, 2020 at 10:30 AM Chuck McCown via AF 
wrote:

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Where does the money go?

[Sean Heskett]

Tv networks, Facebook and google.

On Wed, Nov 18, 2020 at 9:39 AM Nate Burke  wrote:

> Genuine question, I always here about Millions/Billions of Dollars being
> spent on Elections.  Where does that money go?  $14B spent on the last
> election.  Is there a new billionaire somewhere relaxing on his yacht now?
>
> I understand most goes to advertising.  So that's like what, 6
> networks/corporations.  But I don't' remember hearing anything about
> 'Media company posts record profits this quarter'  It's like the money
> just disappears, never to be heard about again, and the poor media
> companies are barely making ends meet.
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Re: [AFMUG] POE Site Survey Battery Options

[Sean Heskett]

Milwaukee drill battery...they always have them with them in the truck and
they are always charged.

-Sean


On Mon, Oct 5, 2020 at 8:29 AM Matt  wrote:

> What is everyone using to power up an SM for site surveys nowadays?
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Power for 450M via PacketFlux or Rectifier?

[Sean Heskett]

>
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> Josh Luthman
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> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
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> Direct: 937-552-2343
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>
> 1100 Wayne St
> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/1100+Wayne+St+%0D%0ASuite+1337+%0D%0ATroy,+OH+45373?entry=gmail=g>
>
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> Suite 1337
> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/1100+Wayne+St+%0D%0ASuite+1337+%0D%0ATroy,+OH+45373?entry=gmail=g>
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> Troy, OH 45373
> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/1100+Wayne+St+%0D%0ASuite+1337+%0D%0ATroy,+OH+45373?entry=gmail=g>
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> I think he said 3 GHz 450m which requires direct DC power because it uses
> like 1.21 gigawatts.
>
>
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>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF 
>
> *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
>
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, September 24, 2020 1:28 PM
>
>
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Power for 450M via PacketFlux or Rectifier?
>
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> If you need sync...power it over that too.
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> In my case, we don't need sync on our deployment so we went fiber + DC.
> No sync - we've got a bomb shelter building for a good bit of shielding.
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> Josh Luthman
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> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
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> Direct: 937-552-2343
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> 1100 Wayne St
> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/1100+Wayne+St+%0D%0ASuite+1337+%0D%0ATroy,+OH+45373?entry=gmail=g>
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> Suite 1337
> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/1100+Wayne+St+%0D%0ASuite+1337+%0D%0ATroy,+OH+45373?entry=gmail=g>
>
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> Troy, OH 45373
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> On Thu, Sep 24, 2020 at 1:57 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
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> I can’t remember last time I power cycled an AP, it’s been years.
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> Only time would be if I did something stupid and needed to do the quick
> power cycle to get into the Recovery Console.  Usually that wouldn’t be an
> AP that’s in service, but one
>
> from the used pile that I’m planning to redeploy but I didn’t label where
> it came from.
>
>
>
>
>
> Sometimes after a year or two uptime some of the Ubiquiti stuff will go
> off to Lalaland and need a reboot, I had to do an old Powerbridge the other
> day, but I could still reboot
>
> it from the GUI.  I had an old Karlnet/YDI/Terabeam/Proxim backhaul radio
> that needed to be power cycled regularly but that was 15 years ago and it
> got replaced with a PTP500 which has now been replaced with a PTP820.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF 
>
> *On Behalf Of *Sean Heskett
>
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, September 24, 2020 12:30 PM
>
>
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Power for 450M via PacketFlux or Rectifier?
>
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>
> Either way is fine, we’ve chosen to do it in the PacketFlux RI so that
> everything is standardized across our towers.  Support staff and field
> techs know that ALL APs get power from
>
> a rack injector...so when problems happen look there and try a reboot.
>
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> On Thu, Sep 24, 2020 at 9:18 AM Josh Baird  wrote:
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> We're deploying our first 450M gear soon.  This site will have a +48VDC
> ICT rectifier solution and DC distribution (managed).
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> We're going to be using a PacketFlux RackInkjector w/ Cambium Sync modules
> to provide sync to the 450M 3ghz radios.  We could load a PDU module in the
> RackInjector as well to provide
>
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> managed distribution.
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> this scenario?
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Re: [AFMUG] Power for 450M via PacketFlux or Rectifier?

[Sean Heskett]

Either way is fine, we’ve chosen to do it in the PacketFlux RI so that
everything is standardized across our towers.  Support staff and field
techs know that ALL APs get power from a rack injector...so when problems
happen look there and try a reboot.

-Sean


On Thu, Sep 24, 2020 at 9:18 AM Josh Baird  wrote:

> We're deploying our first 450M gear soon.  This site will have a +48VDC
> ICT rectifier solution and DC distribution (managed).
>
> We're going to be using a PacketFlux RackInkjector w/ Cambium Sync modules
> to provide sync to the 450M 3ghz radios.  We could load a PDU module in the
> RackInjector as well to provide power to them.  Alternatively, we could
> power them directly off of the ICT managed distribution.
>
> Both solutions are managed (can turn them on/off via IP).  Is there any
> reason to use the PacketFlux PDU module over the DC distribution panel in
> this scenario?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Josh
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Re: [AFMUG] LTE vendors

[Sean Heskett]

Yup what josh said lol.

We tried the LTE thing and glad we switch to 450m...much easier.

-Sean


On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 4:43 PM Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> Having done one LTE vendor and 450m the only mistake I made was not buying
> the 450m sooner.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
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> 
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>
>
> On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 5:54 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> And yeah, 450m might be expensive, but so is all the LTE stuff.
>>
>> You'll max out the legal EIRP with 450m, and get 8x8 MIMO.  I think
>>
>> part of the magic with LTE is that it will connect with ridiculously
>>
>> low signal, but on a fixed system you probably won't really want the
>>
>> trashy signals anyway.
>>
>>
>> Cambium also has LTE for whatever it's worth.  The CBRS version
>>
>> is supposed to be available relatively soon (though I forget
>>
>> precisely when).
>>
>>
>> I don't know if I state it as "fewer issues since there is no
>>
>> EPC", but definitely fewer complexities and fewer things to worry
>>
>> about.  The connection from eNB to EPC has to be *pristine*,
>>
>> and the EPC comes with its own set of new terminology and new
>>
>> concepts to figure out.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 9/11/2020 4:06 PM, Darin Steffl
>>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I have seen lots to people doing 450M in CBRS
>>
>> stating coverage is nearly the same as LTE but way better speeds
>>
>> and triple the aggregate capacity due to mu-mimo.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Way fewer issues too since there is no EPC. Just
>>
>> straight layer 2 with no bullshit.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 11, 2020, 2:39 PM
>>
>> David Coudron 
>>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> We are looking at a new area to
>>>
>>> expand out network that has a lot more tree cover than
>>>
>>> our current footprint.   We are thinking with the
>>>
>>> combination of CBRS and LTE, that we might be able to
>>>
>>> offer better coverage than with traditional fixed
>>>
>>> wireless options.   We have started conversations with
>>>
>>> the following vendors, wondering if anyone has any hands
>>>
>>> on experience with any of them and what their
>>>
>>> impressions were:
>>>
>>>
>>> Blinq
>>>
>>>
>>> Airspan
>>>
>>>
>>> Baicells
>>>
>>>
>>> Ericsson
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The Ericsson equipment is in a class
>>>
>>> by itself price wise, but the others are similarly
>>>
>>> priced, and somewhere around double the price of PMP 450
>>>
>>> stuff.   Normally we would add more tower sites for
>>>
>>> better coverage, but this project will need to be done
>>>
>>> before the end of the year and building towers isn’t an
>>>
>>> option.   We have good enough spread on the towers that
>>>
>>> we think we can do this with PMP 450 APs, but are
>>>
>>> thinking we’d get even better coverage out of LTE.   Any
>>>
>>> opinions on the reliability and the manageability of the
>>>
>>> four vendors above?   Sorry for such an open ended
>>>
>>> question, but not sure what to ask to be more
>>>
>>> specific.   We know that we will have the LTE stuff to
>>>
>>> deal with like access to an EPC and so on, so not so
>>>
>>> much worried about that as more the manufacturers
>>>
>>> themselves.   Baicells concerns us as they may get
>>>
>>> lumped in with Huawei.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thoughts?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> David Coudron
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] LTE vendors

[Sean Heskett]

If you are planning on going through foliage then you want to pick the
product with the highest clean Tx power so you can achieve the max EIRP.



On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 1:39 PM David Coudron 
wrote:

> We are looking at a new area to expand out network that has a lot more
> tree cover than our current footprint.   We are thinking with the
> combination of CBRS and LTE, that we might be able to offer better coverage
> than with traditional fixed wireless options.   We have started
> conversations with the following vendors, wondering if anyone has any hands
> on experience with any of them and what their impressions were:
>
> Blinq
>
> Airspan
>
> Baicells
>
> Ericsson
>
>
>
> The Ericsson equipment is in a class by itself price wise, but the others
> are similarly priced, and somewhere around double the price of PMP 450
> stuff.   Normally we would add more tower sites for better coverage, but
> this project will need to be done before the end of the year and building
> towers isn’t an option.   We have good enough spread on the towers that we
> think we can do this with PMP 450 APs, but are thinking we’d get even
> better coverage out of LTE.   Any opinions on the reliability and the
> manageability of the four vendors above?   Sorry for such an open ended
> question, but not sure what to ask to be more specific.   We know that we
> will have the LTE stuff to deal with like access to an EPC and so on, so
> not so much worried about that as more the manufacturers themselves.
> Baicells concerns us as they may get lumped in with Huawei.
>
>
>
> Thoughts?
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> David Coudron
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Re: [AFMUG] TV White Space

[Sean Heskett]

find out who installs poles for the telephone/power company and have them
install a 60-70' pole (might need to guy it but they can do that too) at
the customer's site.  no need to pour concrete etc. and it should be a lot
less expensive than having the customer build a tower.

i think whisper or someone makes a drone that can do site surveys so you
know the pole will work.

On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 10:23 AM David Coudron 
wrote:

> We looked at this, and it still may be something we need to consider.   I
> am afraid that LOS sensitive frequencies still wouldn’t reach some of them
> that are less than 1 mile away due to trees.   A good alternative might be
> to have them put up 60-70 ft antenna structures.   That would help with the
> trees on their property and close by.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> David Coudron
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 9, 2020 9:25 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] TV White Space
>
>
>
> Get them to contribute to the cost of a tower in their area.
>
>
>
> *From:* David Coudron
>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 9, 2020 7:52 AM
>
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] TV White Space
>
>
>
> We have a couple of areas in our network that remain problem coverage
> areas.   The typical scenario is a handful of customers that are 5-10 miles
> from a decent tower structure, but really want service.   We have usually
> either passed on providing coverage, or messed around with relaying from
> other customers or some other messy scenario.   We are looking for a
> workable non-los solution for these few spots.   We don’t need to get
> dozens of folks on a tower, and a higher than normal cost is OK, but it
> needs to be stable enough it is better than the relays and other messy
> solutions we have come up with.   We keep looking at 900 MHz, but it looks
> like Cambium is the only one left in this game, and we are pretty worried
> about noise as we are in the middle of farm country and the RTK stuff is
> pretty prevalent.   Has anyone had enough experience with TV white space to
> develop an opinion on its ability to be used in this situation?   There
> only seems to be two vendors in this space, Redline and Carlson, but maybe
> there are others we are missing.   We are looking for a solution that would
> cover customers 5-7 miles in non-los situations with rate plans of 20-25
> Mbps.   Is this possible?
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
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>
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Re: [AFMUG] Sync 2.5 and 5.0 MS Frames Cambium

[Sean Heskett]

everything has to be one or the other.  no way to sync 2.5 and 5 together.

going to 5ms you should see about 10% boost in performance

On Tue, Aug 18, 2020 at 9:44 AM Sam Lambie  wrote:

> I am replacing some 450 AP's with 450i so I can utilize 40mhz channels and
> a little better throughput. Currently All my 450m AP and 450 and 450i Ap's
> are synced to 15 miles, 75% and 6 contention slots. Everything is happily
> humming along with these settings. Easy enough to duplicate at 40mhz And
> call it good. But I like to try to squeeze as much throughput as I can out
> my network.
> With the replacement, I am curious if I were to go to 5 ms frames on the
> AP's, how the heck do I sync the settings? It seems impossible as the start
> and end Slots have basically doubled when going to 5.0 ms frames.
> I have within earshot of this site about 10- 450m AP's spread out over
> 15-20 miles. They don't do 5.0 ms, so I am wondering if I am going down a
> rabbit hole...
> Has anyone colocated AP's with mixed frames? Does it work? I also have 2
> ePMP 2000 AP's at this site as well to add to the fun...
>
> Thanks
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Re: [AFMUG] replacing a CBRS AP

[Sean Heskett]

i would HIGHLY recommend (especially with CBRS but also just in general)
using the color code feature and putting a unique color code on each AP.
 it gives you much more control to prevent unintended consequences.

like josh said tho, as for the SAS the CPE is in the same location aimed in
the same direction so no change.

On Thu, Aug 13, 2020 at 11:40 AM Matt Hoppes <
mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:

> So... here's a situation I bet no one thought about...
>
> I have an AP at 0 degrees north, and my CPE is directly south at 180.  I
> file as such.
>
> The AP goes offline but the CPEs now see a sector directly behind them
> and connect to that.
>
> Is the reported to the SAS azimuth now 0 degrees (dish is pointing
> north) or 180 degrees (CPE is attached to a sector behind it off the
> backside)?
>
>
>
>
> On 8/13/20 12:23 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> > Well, the SAS doesn’t care.  But to get authorized to transmit and to
> > send heartbeats, the SM needs to communicate SM-AP-cnMaestro.  And it
> > needs to use that trick where a CBSD is allowed to transmit very briefly
> > before authorization, and then the AP takes the SM under its wing and
> > gets the grant information from cnMaestro.
> >
> > Similar mechanism if you set alternate color codes, so SMs can move
> > automatically to an alternate sector.
> >
> > *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> > *Sent:* Thursday, August 13, 2020 10:31 AM
> > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] replacing a CBRS AP
> >
> > That would make sense.  The AP/SM thing is just a Cambium/CNmaestro
> > thing.  CBRS doesn't care who the parent is, it needs to know the
> > bearing/elevation/position.
> >
> > Josh Luthman
> > Office: 937-552-2340
> > Direct: 937-552-2343
> > 1100 Wayne St
> > Suite 1337
> > Troy, OH 45373
> >
> > On Thu, Aug 13, 2020 at 10:46 AM Kurt Fankhauser
> > mailto:lists.wavel...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> > so all you do is put up a 2nd AP and once its online change the
> > Color Code to the same code the old SM's are and the sms move over
> > to the new AP and the CBRS data transfers over automatically in
> Maestro?
> >
> > On Wed, Aug 12, 2020 at 6:14 PM Ken Hohhof  > > wrote:
> >
> > Matt thanks, we did that today and all the SMs just moved
> > automagically to the replacement AP.
> >
> > We imported a sector consisting of just the empty AP, and pre
> > approved onboarding in cnMaestro.  It was Authorized and Waiting
> > for Device.  Once the new AP was plugged in, it synced and
> > enabled CBRS and the SMs moved over without any manual
> > intervention.  Pretty cool.
> >
> > *From:* AF  > > *On Behalf Of *Matt Mays
> > *Sent:* Monday, August 10, 2020 11:19 AM
> > *To:* af@af.afmug.com 
> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] replacing a CBRS AP
> >
> > In my experience, you just CPI file a new empty AP and sync it
> > once you have it in place.
> > The SMs should move to the new AP in the SAS admin tool once
> > they register and the grants get re-used.
> >
> > Then once the old AP is empty in cnMaestro SAS Admin tool you
> > deregister the old AP and delete it from the system.
> >
> > No reason to refile all of the subs just to swap out the AP.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Matt Mays
> > Amplex Internet
> >
> > On 8/10/2020 11:18 AM, dave wrote:
> >
> > Ken,
> >   since the addition of the export button in the management
> > tool it makes it easy todo.
> > The key is ensuring you have a current sheet with all of
> > your sector info and subs info up to date.
> > update the sheet with new AP and your ready to go.
> >
> > Of course to answer your question to make a smoother
> > transition is to place the new ap into part 90
> > so you obtain all of your subs then update your management
> tool.
> >
> > I am sure someone here may correct me if im wrong.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Dave
> >
> >
> > On 8/10/20 8:46 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> >
> > Has anyone figured out the best procedure for replacing
> > a Cambium CBRS AP?
> >
> > I’m guessing there is something more elegant and less
> > disruptive than deleting the whole sector while the tech
> > is swapping out the AP and then re importing into
> > cnMaestro from a spreadsheet and hoping everything goes
> > smoothly and customers are only down for a few minutes.
> >
> > I’m talking about replacing an AP that is in service but
> > with issues.  Over the years we’ve run into RF issues
> > with the original 

Re: [AFMUG] OT Breaking news

[Sean Heskett]

I feel triggered, I think you owe me a beer or else you’ll be canceled.



On Thu, Jul 30, 2020 at 4:51 PM  wrote:

> While he has not said he is going to chose a black women, he has said
> variations of vetting 4 people and he has 4 black women on his short list.
> So taken together I think it is strong enough to make the joke work
> yes???  I am dying up here...
>
> *From:* ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 30, 2020 4:43 PM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Breaking news
>
> CNN, no water more pure for the Demos:
>
> https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/21/politics/joe-biden-four-black-women-vice-president/index.html
>
> He learned his lesson from Mitt, he is using manila folders.
>
> *From:* Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 30, 2020 4:31 PM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Breaking news
>
>
> I think that may be factually incorrect.  He promised to choose a woman.
> Some have pushed him to choose a “woman of color”, but if he announced his
> running mate will be black, I missed that.  Two frequently mentioned
> candidates are indeed Kamala Harris and Susan Rice.  Amy Klobuchar took her
> name off the list.   Also supposedly on the short list is Tammy Duckworth
> who is Asian-American (mother was Thai Chinese), as well as some other
> black and Hispanic candidates.  I won’t mention Elizabeth Warren or you
> guys will make Pocahontas jokes.
>
>
>
> Supposedly we’ll all find out in about a week.
>
>
>
> Maybe he borrowed Mitt Romney’s binders full of women.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 30, 2020 5:06 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Breaking news
>
>
>
> He has announced his running mate will be black, so that element is on
> him, not the joke.
>
>
>
> If he had said Clair Huxtable, Foxy Brown or Crazy Eyes from Orange is the
> new black would it have been:
>
> Funnier?  Less funny?
>
> Still racist?
>
>
>
> Is it strictly the Aunt Jemima that makes it off limits?
>
>
>
> ???  Guess my career pivot to stand up comic is headed into dangerous
> territory.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* ch...@wbmfg.com
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 30, 2020 3:36 PM
>
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Breaking news
>
>
>
> I thought it was funny because Biden has not announced a running mate but
> he had announced he was picking a black woman.
>
> So the whole nation is waiting on him to reveal the name.
>
>
>
> So picking a fictional black woman was funny to me because they portray
> him as an older dude that is losing it a bit.
>
>
>
> *From:* Adam Moffett
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 30, 2020 3:29 PM
>
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Breaking news
>
>
>
> I didn't want to admit this, but I didn't actually understand it.
>
> I mean I know who Joe biden and Aunt Jemima are.  I know Aunt Jemima is
> getting rebranded in the future and that Biden hasn't picked a running
> mateI'm not sure how all the dots are connected.
>
> On 7/30/2020 5:23 PM, Carl Peterson wrote:
>
> That first post was pretty tasteless too.  That racist syrup tastes like
> crap,  In all seriousness though, the pic in the first post is stunningly
> racist and inappropriate.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 30, 2020 at 4:04 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> A little late because I’ve been on the road, but I agree with Adam, that
> was tasteless.  Don Jr., Eric, Ivanka and Jared are fair game since they’re
> not just family, they’re part of the carnival show.  But otherwise, leave
> the wives and kids out of it.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 30, 2020 3:40 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Breaking news
>
>
>
> I guess I should have rephrased that:
>
> The last one ended up with everything except for what was rightfully mine.
>
> There are some minority shareholders suing them for what is rightfully
> theirs too.
>
> So she may end up with less than she has right now.
>
> But she got a super sweet deal – all for making the decision to marry
> someone about 40 years older than she was.
>
>
>
> *From:* Bill Prince
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 30, 2020 2:18 PM
>
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Breaking news
>
>
>
> AKA The last Starfighter.
>
> bp
>
> 
>
>
>
> On 7/30/2020 1:11 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> The last one ended up with everything.
>
>
>
> *From:* can...@believewireless.net
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 30, 2020 1:55 PM
>
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Breaking news
>
>
>
> Why not just leave?
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 30, 2020 at 3:54 PM  wrote:
>
> I lived through a an era of having a business partner that had the sugar
> daddy thing happening.  Those wives of his earned what they got.
>
>
>
> *From:* Bill Prince
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 30, 2020 1:47 PM
>
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Breaking news
>
>
>
> Rumors I read were that she did not 

Re: [AFMUG] can't remember the answer

[Sean Heskett]

we use https://uptimerobot.com but there's may other's that have similar
services

On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 1:53 PM  wrote:

> I think this has been asked and answered before but I don’t recall the
> answer.
> Like to have a ping running and if it stops then I get a text.  So real
> time ping monitor with text alerts.
> I see things on the google when I look for it but none of the names seem
> familiar.
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Re: [AFMUG] Good Switches

[Sean Heskett]

planet

On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 8:29 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> So who's your preferred vendor for carrier switches?
>
> Suppose you want to break away from buggy Latvian switches, who would
> you look at today?
>
> Ciena? Adtran? Cisco? Juniper?
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Now this is funny

[Sean Heskett]

Ha!  That’s hilarious

On Sat, May 23, 2020 at 3:53 PM Bill Prince  wrote:

>
> Funny in more ways than one. I call this news you can use. Penguin poop
> makes researchers laugh:
>
>
> https://arstechnica.com/science/2020/05/penguin-poop-creates-a-buttload-of-laughing-gas-researchers-find/
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Re: [AFMUG] Need help finding providers in Ohio.

[Sean Heskett]

I understand Tim.

I almost quit WISPA when ubiquiti stared suing operators and distributors
because cambium released their ePMP elevate.  I really didn’t like that
WISPA would take such a neutral position when a manufacturer sued an
operator for using a competitor’s product...WISPA is an operator
organization that just happened to let manufactures play in our sand box
because it’s mutually beneficial.

Anyway my takeaway from all that was that I’m not going to agree 100% with
anyone or with any organization, but the benefits to my company (at this
time) far out weigh my ideological disagreement.

So I can appreciate that you may not want to be a member.

Anyway, hope you have a great day bud.

-Sean


On Tue, May 19, 2020 at 8:46 AM Tim Reichhart <
timreichh...@hometowncable.net> wrote:

> I used to be an wispa member dont feel like rejoining them
>
>
>
>
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> -Original Message-
> From: "Darin Steffl" 
> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> Date: 05/18/20 11:21
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Need help finding providers in Ohio.
>
> Maybe you should join Wispa. They do so much good for our industry. I've
> heard all the excuses as to why people don't join but they don't make
> sense. It's cheap!
>
> On Mon, May 18, 2020, 9:09 PM Tim Reichhart <
> timreichh...@hometowncable.net> wrote:
>
>> Sean
>> There is more then 20 members provide services who are not wispa member
>> and I am one of them.
>>
>> Tim
>>
>>
>>
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>> -Original Message-
>> From: "Kerry Penland" 
>> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
>> Date: 05/18/20 04:27
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Need help finding providers in Ohio.
>>
>> Thanks Sean,
>> I forgot all about the wispa members directory. I think this info will
>> help.
>>
>> Monday, May 18, 2020, 10:53:11 AM, you wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> https://members.wispa.org/members/directory/search_bootstrap.php?org_id=WISP
>>
>> WISPA has a member search page. If you click the link above and then
>> select Ohio there's about 20 members who serve Ohio.
>>
>> -Sean
>>
>>
>> On Mon, May 18, 2020 at 8:35 AM Kerry Penland 
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Hey guys,
>> I have a good friend who works for Dell, he has been working with
>> OARNET and they are struggling to find broadband providers for
>> educators, students, etc in rural Ohio. What I'm hearing is they are
>> finding towers, etc in the areas they need coverage but are having a
>> difficult time identifying the operators. So, I suggested that I throw
>> this out on the list and see what the borg has to say. I'm here in
>> Michigan and travel thru Ohio a lot. I see a lot of gear all
>> over rural Ohio, (my wife says I spend more time looking at
>> towers, etc than the road) so I putting this out there for discussion.
>> I don't have any specifics on locations at this time, although the
>> Athens area was mentioned. I did provide him with the link to
>> Towercoverage.
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Need help finding providers in Ohio.

[Sean Heskett]

Hi Tim,

I was in no way implying there were only 20 WISPs in Ohio, I merely stated
that the WISPA members list had 20 listed and one of them could probably
help the OP with their question.

The members list is great free advertising for situations like this.  We
have had dozens of referrals over the years, especially when someone lands
a multi-state project but doesn’t have service in every state.

-Sean


On Mon, May 18, 2020 at 9:56 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:

> +1000 Darin
>
> The 850mhz of new 6ghz spectrum they just helped secured for outdoor PMP
> is one of hundreds of examples I can think of...great investment for sure!
>
> On Mon, May 18, 2020 at 9:21 PM Darin Steffl 
> wrote:
>
>> Maybe you should join Wispa. They do so much good for our industry. I've
>> heard all the excuses as to why people don't join but they don't make
>> sense. It's cheap!
>>
>> On Mon, May 18, 2020, 9:09 PM Tim Reichhart <
>> timreichh...@hometowncable.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Sean
>>> There is more then 20 members provide services who are not wispa member
>>> and I am one of them.
>>>
>>> Tim
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: "Kerry Penland" 
>>> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
>>> Date: 05/18/20 04:27
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Need help finding providers in Ohio.
>>>
>>> Thanks Sean,
>>> I forgot all about the wispa members directory. I think this info will
>>> help.
>>>
>>> Monday, May 18, 2020, 10:53:11 AM, you wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> https://members.wispa.org/members/directory/search_bootstrap.php?org_id=WISP
>>>
>>> WISPA has a member search page.  If you click the link above and then
>>> select Ohio there's about 20 members who serve Ohio.
>>>
>>> -Sean
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, May 18, 2020 at 8:35 AM Kerry Penland 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hey guys,
>>> I  have  a  good  friend  who works for Dell, he has been working with
>>> OARNET  and  they  are  struggling  to  find  broadband  providers for
>>> educators,  students,  etc in rural Ohio. What I'm hearing is they are
>>> finding  towers,  etc in the areas they need coverage but are having a
>>> difficult time identifying the operators. So, I suggested that I throw
>>> this  out  on  the  list and see what the borg has to say. I'm here in
>>> Michigan   and   travel   thru  Ohio  a  lot.  I see a lot of gear all
>>> over   rural   Ohio, (my   wife  says  I  spend more time looking at
>>> towers, etc than the road) so I putting this out there for discussion.
>>> I  don't  have  any  specifics on locations at this time, although the
>>> Athens  area  was  mentioned.  I  did  provide  him  with  the link to
>>> Towercoverage.
>>>
>>> --
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>>> Kerry Penland
>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Need help finding providers in Ohio.

[Sean Heskett]

+1000 Darin

The 850mhz of new 6ghz spectrum they just helped secured for outdoor PMP is
one of hundreds of examples I can think of...great investment for sure!

On Mon, May 18, 2020 at 9:21 PM Darin Steffl 
wrote:

> Maybe you should join Wispa. They do so much good for our industry. I've
> heard all the excuses as to why people don't join but they don't make
> sense. It's cheap!
>
> On Mon, May 18, 2020, 9:09 PM Tim Reichhart <
> timreichh...@hometowncable.net> wrote:
>
>> Sean
>> There is more then 20 members provide services who are not wispa member
>> and I am one of them.
>>
>> Tim
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> -Original Message-
>> From: "Kerry Penland" 
>> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
>> Date: 05/18/20 04:27
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Need help finding providers in Ohio.
>>
>> Thanks Sean,
>> I forgot all about the wispa members directory. I think this info will
>> help.
>>
>> Monday, May 18, 2020, 10:53:11 AM, you wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> https://members.wispa.org/members/directory/search_bootstrap.php?org_id=WISP
>>
>> WISPA has a member search page.  If you click the link above and then
>> select Ohio there's about 20 members who serve Ohio.
>>
>> -Sean
>>
>>
>> On Mon, May 18, 2020 at 8:35 AM Kerry Penland 
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Hey guys,
>> I  have  a  good  friend  who works for Dell, he has been working with
>> OARNET  and  they  are  struggling  to  find  broadband  providers for
>> educators,  students,  etc in rural Ohio. What I'm hearing is they are
>> finding  towers,  etc in the areas they need coverage but are having a
>> difficult time identifying the operators. So, I suggested that I throw
>> this  out  on  the  list and see what the borg has to say. I'm here in
>> Michigan   and   travel   thru  Ohio  a  lot.  I see a lot of gear all
>> over   rural   Ohio, (my   wife  says  I  spend more time looking at
>> towers, etc than the road) so I putting this out there for discussion.
>> I  don't  have  any  specifics on locations at this time, although the
>> Athens  area  was  mentioned.  I  did  provide  him  with  the link to
>> Towercoverage.
>>
>> --
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>> Kerry Penland
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] CBS Streaming NOC Contact

[Sean Heskett]

I would post this to the NANOG list

na...@nanog.org

-Sean


On Mon, May 18, 2020 at 9:17 AM Jesse DuPont 
wrote:

> Good morning! Does anyone have a contact email for CBS streaming's NOC?
> We're struggling with what appear to be geo-location issues with some of
> our IP blocks. We seem to be showing correctly at the geo-location
> providers, but still having some CBS All Access streaming issues. We change
> IP at the customer and it's okay after that.
> --
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>
> *Jesse DuPont*
>
> Owner / Network Architect
> email: jesse.dup...@celeritycorp.net
> Celerity Networks LLC / Celerity Broadband LLC
> Like us! facebook.com/celeritynetworksllc
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Re: [AFMUG] Need help finding providers in Ohio.

[Sean Heskett]

https://members.wispa.org/members/directory/search_bootstrap.php?org_id=WISP

WISPA has a member search page.  If you click the link above and then
select Ohio there’s about 20 members who serve Ohio.

-Sean



On Mon, May 18, 2020 at 8:35 AM Kerry Penland  wrote:

>
> Hey guys,
> I  have  a  good  friend  who works for Dell, he has been working with
> OARNET  and  they  are  struggling  to  find  broadband  providers for
> educators,  students,  etc in rural Ohio. What I'm hearing is they are
> finding  towers,  etc in the areas they need coverage but are having a
> difficult time identifying the operators. So, I suggested that I throw
> this  out  on  the  list and see what the borg has to say. I'm here in
> Michigan   and   travel   thru  Ohio  a  lot.  I see a lot of gear all
> over   rural   Ohio, (my   wife  says  I  spend more time looking at
> towers, etc than the road) so I putting this out there for discussion.
> I  don't  have  any  specifics on locations at this time, although the
> Athens  area  was  mentioned.  I  did  provide  him  with  the link to
> Towercoverage.
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Kerry Penland
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Erratic Upload signal in cnmaestro

[Sean Heskett]

The reason I ask about software version is there is a known issue 16.x.
It’s just a reporting issue not an actual issue and the graphs look exactly
like what you posted.

16.2 is very stable and gets rid of the funky graphs.

-Sean


On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 4:19 PM Sam Lambie  wrote:

> Nope, I have heard that 16.2 is not that stable. cnmaestro is current as
> of 2 weeks ago. Everything else on the network is 16.1
>
> On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 3:49 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
>> Have you upgraded to 16.2 and the latest cnmaestro?
>>
>> On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 3:16 PM Sam Lambie  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I have a customer that has been complaining of 1-2 second regular
>>> hiccups in his service. We moved his antenna thinking it might be bouncing
>>> the signal off the propanel roof, but cnmaestro still is indicating a
>>> flapping upload signal. Can anyone tell me what I should be looking for?
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Re: [AFMUG] Erratic Upload signal in cnmaestro

[Sean Heskett]

Have you upgraded to 16.2 and the latest cnmaestro?

On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 3:16 PM Sam Lambie  wrote:

>
> I have a customer that has been complaining of 1-2 second regular hiccups
> in his service. We moved his antenna thinking it might be bouncing the
> signal off the propanel roof, but cnmaestro still is indicating a flapping
> upload signal. Can anyone tell me what I should be looking for?
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Portlandia

[Sean Heskett]

Bikini masks might be the only way we’ll get some idiots to even consider
wearing a mask.

-Sean


On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 8:16 PM James Howard  wrote:

> I gotta say.  I went to Menards today and had to use one of their $1 masks
> they sell you at the door…….  Those things are horrible…….
>
>
>
> What I actually meant earlier is that it seems like it would be a better
> use of resources to turn bikinis into masks than masks into bikinis.  After
> using that thing at Menards though I think those things would be far better
> used for something other than masks…..
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 14, 2020 7:58 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Portlandia
>
>
>
> That one in the middle
>
>
>
> On Thu, May 14, 2020, 6:56 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> Well, I thought certainly that’s so stupid, I won’t get any results if I
> Google it.  Wrong!
>
>
> https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-8185541/Coronavirus-Influencers-slammed-turning-medical-masks-bikinis.html
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *James Howard
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 14, 2020 6:13 PM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Portlandia
>
>
>
> You talking top or bottom?  Seems like it would me more likely to use a
> top to make two face masks……
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 14, 2020 4:17 PM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Portlandia
>
>
>
> Who will be the first to make a bikini out of face masks?
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 14, 2020 4:10 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Portlandia
>
>
>
> we have one gas station a couple towns over thats prone to robberies. They
> banned masks for this very reason. its interesting to see how that one
> plays out, its in a town where they mayor owns an "essential" business and
> put the hammer down on his competitors. time will tell on that.
>
>
>
> I find myself staring at people trying to figure out who they are. I
> honestly never realized how much you recognize people by their mouth and
> nose. luckily though its getting warmer and the coats are coming off, so
> ill at least be able to identify the females i know
>
>
>
> On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 4:01 PM Carl Peterson 
> wrote:
>
> The other day I had to grab some cash from the bank.  Pulled up out front,
> put my mask on and headed in.  As I got to the door, I saw my reflection
> and hesitated for a bit.  I was only going into the first lobby to use the
> ATM but it was still pretty odd to be walking into a bank with a face mask
> on.
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Re: [AFMUG] Sync 900 MHz PMP100 and PTP450i?

[Sean Heskett]

Is the PTP450i in the same band as the PMP100?



On Thu, May 14, 2020 at 3:52 PM  wrote:

> I have a PTP450i feeding a small site with a PMP100 AP. Is it possible to
> sync PTP450i and PMP100? Can I pull sync off the PTP450i slave into the
> PMP100 AP?
>
>
>
> Thank you - Chris
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Re: [AFMUG] Towers and Chewed Cat5

[Sean Heskett]

Yup all kinds of critters love cabling, I think it has a soy based product
in it or something.

Solution is to put the cable in armored liquidtight conduit.

https://www.google.com/search?q=liquidtight=UTF-8=UTF-8=en-us=safari

-Sean


On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 8:06 AM Matt  wrote:

> Have a tower and a bundle of cat5's going up.  Seems raccoons(I
> assume) climb up occasionally and chew on cat5 wires.  Had one other
> tower this happened.  Anyone else have this happen?
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Re: [AFMUG] customer wants to switch WISPs to solve WiFi problem

[Sean Heskett]

I’d just be honest with the potential customer and quote them what it’ll
take to make it work correctly.  Use your expertise to sell them a while
home system.  if they switch to you then they will probably be
happy...that’s all their looking for.

-Sean


On Mon, May 4, 2020 at 6:44 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Prospective customer wants to switch to us, they get 24M x 24M and 18ms
> ping on speedtest with their current WISP.  It seems like the only problem
> is their router is in the attached garage not in the middle of the house.
>
>
>
> Am I wrong to want this customer to just work with their current WISP to
> get the cable extended to a better router location?
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Covid PPE

[Sean Heskett]

yeah they sent several emails:




FEMA is distributing cloth face coverings / PPE for critical infrastructure
workers as part of a multi-prong approach to re-open American economic
activity, while continuing to limit the spread of COVID-19.  To accomplish
this, FEMA is asking for a spreadsheet from WISPA of contact info for U.S.
(only) companies that would like to gain access to the PPE.

IF YOU DO NOT WANT US TO SHARE YOUR CONTACT INFO WITH FEMA, WE ARE ASKING
YOU TO SEND YOUR OPT-OUT REQUEST TO p...@wispa.org WITH THE SUBJECT LINE,
“OPT-OUT OF FEMA PPE,” NO LATER THAN APRIL 30TH AT 11:59PM.

For those members who have not opted-out, we are asking key contacts /
principal member contacts to log into your WISPA account and ensure that
your member profile is up to date and reflects your current address.

We apologize for the short turnaround here, and thank you for your
attention to this important matter.

On Fri, May 1, 2020 at 2:18 PM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> is there a WISPA announcement? I hadnt heard anything about that.
>
> On Fri, May 1, 2020 at 3:07 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
>> If you are a WISPA member they will be sending gear to you from FEMA.
>> Need to make sure your WISPA info is up to date.
>>
>> On Fri, May 1, 2020 at 12:14 PM Jay Weekley 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Not sure if anyone is having trouble finding masks, hand sanitizer and
>>> gloves or even using them but I happened into a source through GME
>>> Supply while ordering some other stuff.   The guy I went through is
>>> Charlie Marshman at charlie.marsh...@gme.com or (573) 514-8114.
>>>
>>> --
>>> *Jay Weekley*
>>> *Cyber Broadband
>>> *
>>>
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>>> https://www.avg.com
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Covid PPE

[Sean Heskett]

If you are a WISPA member they will be sending gear to you from FEMA.  Need
to make sure your WISPA info is up to date.

On Fri, May 1, 2020 at 12:14 PM Jay Weekley 
wrote:

> Not sure if anyone is having trouble finding masks, hand sanitizer and
> gloves or even using them but I happened into a source through GME
> Supply while ordering some other stuff.   The guy I went through is
> Charlie Marshman at charlie.marsh...@gme.com or (573) 514-8114.
>
> --
> *Jay Weekley*
> *Cyber Broadband
> *
>
> --
> This email has been checked for viruses by AVG.
> https://www.avg.com
>
>
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> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
>
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Re: [AFMUG] anybody else having SAS problems this morning?

[Sean Heskett]

from cambium:

This message is being sent to CBRS customers whose service is associated
with Federated Wireless.



This morning at approximately 8:30 AM EDT, there was a surge in traffic
handled by the Federated Wireless Commercial SAS.  This resulted in an
outage.  The system stabilized and has been operating normally since
approximately 10:30 AM EDT.  Federated Wireless did an emergency upgrade to
increase the database pool size and SAS instances.  This was completed
around 3:00 PM EDT.  They are now running a manual CPAS run to authorize
any grants that are currently in 501 IAP pending.  This is expected to be
completed by 8:00 PM EDT tonight.



Cambium and Federated Wireless engineers met several times throughout the
day today to address the issues and are continuing to understand the source
of the surge in traffic.  We will be meeting at length tomorrow in a
working session to prioritize the ways to make the network more resilient.



It’s important to note that when this outage struck, Federated Wireless was
in the closing phase of testing a significant change in the SAS
traffic-handling architecture that was designed to address the root cause
of the previous outage.  They accelerated their final testing and released
the fix on an emergency basis today.



In light of the difficulties customers have experienced during our
inaugural month, we are suspending billing for April CBRS registrations.



We will continue to send out general announcements as we make progress.



Cambium CBRS Program Team

On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 7:33 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Cambium 450 using cnMaestro Cloud and Federated Wireless SAS.  Anybody
> else having Domain Proxy HTTP failures or heartbeat timeouts this morning?
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Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

[Sean Heskett]

So then once a social media platform is integrated into our society our
government should step in with heavy handed regulation and decide for the
company what is right and what is wrong?  Would that not then be
suppressing that company’s  freedom of speech too?

What if that company wasn’t an American company, what if it was a Chinese
or Russian company?  What if the company was American but the regulating
government was foreign?

I ask because we now have platforms like tiktok which is Chinese operating
here in America.  Do they have protected speech?  Do I have protected
speech on their platform?  Does someone in India get protected speech on
the platform if the viewer is in America?

Sean


On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 8:00 PM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> No, that statement actually says the word without need to infer. Integrates
>
> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020, 8:24 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
>> You stated:
>> “as long as your house doesnt integrate into multiple facets of society,
>> including government thats 100% true”
>>
>> That Statement infers a large house.
>>
>> Where’s the line in the sand?
>>
>> If my social media platform integrates into some facets of society, but
>> not all, including some government, but not all, is that ok?
>>
>> Just curious
>>
>> -Sean
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 7:15 PM Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> who said anything about the size of the house
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 8:13 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Why should the size of the house matter?  It’s my house, I built it
>>>> with my money.  You are free to build your own house or hang out at someone
>>>> else’s house.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In fact here on good ole animal farm we have lent and we can’t just say
>>>> whatever we want...this is chuck’s house and we all abide by his rules.
>>>>
>>>> Sean
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 6:40 PM Steve Jones 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> as long as your house doesnt integrate into multiple facets of
>>>>> society, including government thats 100% true
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 6:56 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> You can always use gab.com the twitter alternative that champions
>>>>>> free speech on their platform.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Honestly if I build a house and invite you to come over for free to
>>>>>> hang out and you start saying things I don’t like while inside my house I
>>>>>> should be and I am entitled to kick you out of my house or make you shut 
>>>>>> up
>>>>>> etc.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> now replace house with “social media platform”
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Sean
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 10:15 AM Steve Jones <
>>>>>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> yep, and your message can be removed in an instant if it does not
>>>>>>> comply with the narrative
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 11:06 AM  wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Not really.  Today you can get your message out to the world with a
>>>>>>>> tweet.
>>>>>>>> How would you have been able to do that 100 years ago?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *From:* Steven Kenney
>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 28, 2020 9:54 AM
>>>>>>>> *To:* af
>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I sense overwhelming sarcasm.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Steven Kenney
>>>>>>>> Network Operations Manager
>>>>>>>> WaveDirect Telecommunications
>>>>>>>> http://www.wavedirect.net
>>>>>>>> (519)737-WAVE (9283)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> *From: *"chuck" 
>>>>>>>> *To: *"af" 
>>>>>>>> *Sent: *Tuesday, April 28, 2020 8:14:10 AM
>>>>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT still a b

Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

[Sean Heskett]

You stated:
“as long as your house doesnt integrate into multiple facets of society,
including government thats 100% true”

That Statement infers a large house.

Where’s the line in the sand?

If my social media platform integrates into some facets of society, but not
all, including some government, but not all, is that ok?

Just curious

-Sean


On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 7:15 PM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> who said anything about the size of the house
>
> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 8:13 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
>> Why should the size of the house matter?  It’s my house, I built it with
>> my money.  You are free to build your own house or hang out at someone
>> else’s house.
>>
>>
>> In fact here on good ole animal farm we have lent and we can’t just say
>> whatever we want...this is chuck’s house and we all abide by his rules.
>>
>> Sean
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 6:40 PM Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> as long as your house doesnt integrate into multiple facets of society,
>>> including government thats 100% true
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 6:56 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>>
>>>> You can always use gab.com the twitter alternative that champions free
>>>> speech on their platform.
>>>>
>>>> Honestly if I build a house and invite you to come over for free to
>>>> hang out and you start saying things I don’t like while inside my house I
>>>> should be and I am entitled to kick you out of my house or make you shut up
>>>> etc.
>>>>
>>>> now replace house with “social media platform”
>>>>
>>>> -Sean
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 10:15 AM Steve Jones 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> yep, and your message can be removed in an instant if it does not
>>>>> comply with the narrative
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 11:06 AM  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Not really.  Today you can get your message out to the world with a
>>>>>> tweet.
>>>>>> How would you have been able to do that 100 years ago?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *From:* Steven Kenney
>>>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 28, 2020 9:54 AM
>>>>>> *To:* af
>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I sense overwhelming sarcasm.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Steven Kenney
>>>>>> Network Operations Manager
>>>>>> WaveDirect Telecommunications
>>>>>> http://www.wavedirect.net
>>>>>> (519)737-WAVE (9283)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> *From: *"chuck" 
>>>>>> *To: *"af" 
>>>>>> *Sent: *Tuesday, April 28, 2020 8:14:10 AM
>>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 100 years ago it was newspapers and they only printed what they
>>>>>> wanted you to hear.  Things are much better now.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Apr 28, 2020, at 2:49 AM, Jason McKemie <
>>>>>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's a problem when the main conduits for communication are all
>>>>>> private corporations though, especially in situations like this.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 28, 2020, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Most people don’t realize that the constitutional protection of free
>>>>>>> speech protects the government from stifling speech...private citizens 
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> corporations are not required to protect anyone’s speech.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not saying I agree or disagree with it, just stating what the
>>>>>>> constitution says.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> YMMV
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -Sean
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 11:19 PM Jason McKemie <
>>>>>>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Being "

Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

[Sean Heskett]

Why should the size of the house matter?  It’s my house, I built it with my
money.  You are free to build your own house or hang out at someone else’s
house.


In fact here on good ole animal farm we have lent and we can’t just say
whatever we want...this is chuck’s house and we all abide by his rules.

Sean



On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 6:40 PM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> as long as your house doesnt integrate into multiple facets of society,
> including government thats 100% true
>
> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 6:56 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
>> You can always use gab.com the twitter alternative that champions free
>> speech on their platform.
>>
>> Honestly if I build a house and invite you to come over for free to hang
>> out and you start saying things I don’t like while inside my house I should
>> be and I am entitled to kick you out of my house or make you shut up etc.
>>
>> now replace house with “social media platform”
>>
>> -Sean
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 10:15 AM Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> yep, and your message can be removed in an instant if it does not comply
>>> with the narrative
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 11:06 AM  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Not really.  Today you can get your message out to the world with a
>>>> tweet.
>>>> How would you have been able to do that 100 years ago?
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Steven Kenney
>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 28, 2020 9:54 AM
>>>> *To:* af
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism
>>>>
>>>> I sense overwhelming sarcasm.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Steven Kenney
>>>> Network Operations Manager
>>>> WaveDirect Telecommunications
>>>> http://www.wavedirect.net
>>>> (519)737-WAVE (9283)
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> *From: *"chuck" 
>>>> *To: *"af" 
>>>> *Sent: *Tuesday, April 28, 2020 8:14:10 AM
>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism
>>>>
>>>> 100 years ago it was newspapers and they only printed what they wanted
>>>> you to hear.  Things are much better now.
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>> On Apr 28, 2020, at 2:49 AM, Jason McKemie <
>>>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> It's a problem when the main conduits for communication are all private
>>>> corporations though, especially in situations like this.
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, April 28, 2020, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Most people don’t realize that the constitutional protection of free
>>>>> speech protects the government from stifling speech...private citizens and
>>>>> corporations are not required to protect anyone’s speech.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not saying I agree or disagree with it, just stating what the
>>>>> constitution says.
>>>>>
>>>>> YMMV
>>>>>
>>>>> -Sean
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 11:19 PM Jason McKemie <
>>>>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Being "not evil" I guess. Another copy has been put up, but the
>>>>>> stifling of free speech is a bit alarming. They do this all of the time
>>>>>> with things the left deems inappropriate. I'm pretty much centrist, but 
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> fringe at both sides is absolutely abhorrent, I'll go back to adhering to
>>>>>> lent now.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 28, 2020, Robert  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Whoa, google took it down?  That's amazing.   I wonder what the
>>>>>>> process that resulted in that was?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 4/27/20 8:01 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'll watch it again, but it's a bit difficult now since Google took
>>>>>>> it down. Doesn't help the case that they feel like they need to cover 
>>>>>>> it up
>>>>>>> as opposed to just tearing it apart if it is so wrong.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Monday, April 27, 2020, Robert  wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It's was 

Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

[Sean Heskett]

You can always use gab.com the twitter alternative that champions free
speech on their platform.

Honestly if I build a house and invite you to come over for free to hang
out and you start saying things I don’t like while inside my house I should
be and I am entitled to kick you out of my house or make you shut up etc.

now replace house with “social media platform”

-Sean


On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 10:15 AM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> yep, and your message can be removed in an instant if it does not comply
> with the narrative
>
> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 11:06 AM  wrote:
>
>> Not really.  Today you can get your message out to the world with a tweet.
>> How would you have been able to do that 100 years ago?
>>
>> *From:* Steven Kenney
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 28, 2020 9:54 AM
>> *To:* af
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism
>>
>> I sense overwhelming sarcasm.
>>
>> --
>> Steven Kenney
>> Network Operations Manager
>> WaveDirect Telecommunications
>> http://www.wavedirect.net
>> (519)737-WAVE (9283)
>>
>> --
>> *From: *"chuck" 
>> *To: *"af" 
>> *Sent: *Tuesday, April 28, 2020 8:14:10 AM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism
>>
>> 100 years ago it was newspapers and they only printed what they wanted
>> you to hear.  Things are much better now.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Apr 28, 2020, at 2:49 AM, Jason McKemie <
>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>
>> It's a problem when the main conduits for communication are all private
>> corporations though, especially in situations like this.
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 28, 2020, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>
>>> Most people don’t realize that the constitutional protection of free
>>> speech protects the government from stifling speech...private citizens and
>>> corporations are not required to protect anyone’s speech.
>>>
>>> Not saying I agree or disagree with it, just stating what the
>>> constitution says.
>>>
>>> YMMV
>>>
>>> -Sean
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 11:19 PM Jason McKemie <
>>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Being "not evil" I guess. Another copy has been put up, but the
>>>> stifling of free speech is a bit alarming. They do this all of the time
>>>> with things the left deems inappropriate. I'm pretty much centrist, but the
>>>> fringe at both sides is absolutely abhorrent, I'll go back to adhering to
>>>> lent now.
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, April 28, 2020, Robert  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Whoa, google took it down?  That's amazing.   I wonder what the
>>>>> process that resulted in that was?
>>>>>
>>>>> On 4/27/20 8:01 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I'll watch it again, but it's a bit difficult now since Google took it
>>>>> down. Doesn't help the case that they feel like they need to cover it up 
>>>>> as
>>>>> opposed to just tearing it apart if it is so wrong.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Monday, April 27, 2020, Robert  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> It's was pitched that way but you look at what they are doing with
>>>>>> the "numbers" is totally fictitious...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 4/27/20 7:01 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If we're thinking of the same video I thought it was pretty
>>>>>> refreshing, and the overall gist of the thing seemed pretty sound to me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Monday, April 27, 2020, Robert  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yep, speculation that a couple of doctors in Kern County CA treated
>>>>>>> like science fact to back up their agenda...   Ethics in Medicine is 
>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>> about dead, put another nail in the coffin..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 4/27/20 12:25 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well... here we are one week later, and we just ticked over 1
>>>>>>> million confirmed infections in the US. Let's hope that's the tip of the
>>>>>>> iceberg, and that the actual infections is in the neighborhood of 50-80
>>>>>>> million. I don't beli

Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 11 radios

[Sean Heskett]

and they like to file frivolous lawsuits against their customers and
distributors...just sayin'

On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 11:28 AM TJ Trout  wrote:

> I can't quite put my finger on it but something really pushes my buttons
> about this thread... I guess I still have lingering feelings about
> supporting the underdog.
>
> Now I'm sitting here embarrassed that I ever stood up for the underdog
> because they have now become like everyone else.
>
> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020, 6:45 AM Nate Burke  wrote:
>
>> I heard another Theory last night that UBNT had too many of the Kits in
>> stock, and now they're trying to get them sold off before they start
>> offering piecemeal parts again.
>>
>> Some beancounter probably had their eyes light up when they thought of
>> the Kit idea, and it was met with enthusiastic nods around the conference
>> table, after seeing all the glossy charts with arrows pointing up, and
>> giant dollar signs and Moneybags.  Then nobody bought them, so other parts
>> are just magically 'unavailable' now to drive up kit sales.
>>
>> On 4/28/2020 8:26 AM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists wrote:
>>
>> Agreed.  I’ve sold a bunch of them and they’ve been solid if
>> unspectacular...but the price was right for certain applications.
>>
>> I’m REALLY concerned about their new kit program.  They said they would
>> sell the bare radios again, but that hasn’t happened yet.
>>
>> If you have a link (depending on where you are) longer than 7-8 miles,
>> you need bigger/better dishes than their 2.5’ dish.  Right now, you have to
>> buy the kit and the other dishes and hope you have a use for the 2.5’
>> dishes down the road.  Horribly wasteful.  Radiowave and KP built dishes
>> specifically for the AF-11.  They are really screwed right now.
>>
>> Jeff Broadwick
>> CTIconnect
>> 312-205-2519 Office
>> 574-220-7826 Cell
>> jbroadw...@cticonnect.com
>>
>> On Apr 28, 2020, at 5:16 AM, Matt Hoppes
>>  
>> wrote:
>>
>> 
>> While the 11 has issues and other vendors have far superior products -
>> something was wrong if you faded in the rain at 5 miles.
>>
>> On Apr 27, 2020, at 11:51 PM, Kurt Fankhauser 
>> wrote:
>>
>> This is why I'm moving away from UBNT for 11ghz backhauls. They jacked
>> the price up on the stand alone units. Stock has been non-existent since
>> November/December which was the last time I was able to order stand alone
>> AF11 radios. Now a rumor they will never sell them again without their
>> crappy dish? Which BTW has steel bolts on that you know will turn to rust
>> in a couple years which really pisses me off. I know that other brands cost
>> about 2x-2.5x like Aviat but for the same licensed 80mhz channel you can
>> get 1.4gbps full duplex and I have never seen a AF11 radio actually push
>> over 600 meg. Had a 5 mile and 6 mile AF11 link fade in the rain just as
>> bad as a AF24 would on a 3-4 mile shot. I'm going all Aviat from here on
>> out, 11, 18, 80ghz. Their pricing is extremely competitive. Ken is awesome,
>> always emails me back within 30 minutes with any questions I have. Hell you
>> can buy a 80ghz link that is keyed up for 10gbps full duplex for $5200 out
>> the door. Siklu's promo for $4200 link will only do 2gbps which you can't
>> even get from Baltic because they are sold out.
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 5:14 PM Chuck Macenski 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Sorry, ignore that. I will forward this issue internally so that the
>>> AF11 is added. So many changes, so little time...
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 4:10 PM Chuck Macenski 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> https://www.ui.com/distributors/stock-locator/
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 3:33 PM Nate Burke  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> From Streakwave?  They're the one's that told me this morning they
>>>>> were never going to get them.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 4/27/2020 3:30 PM, Cassidy B. Larson wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Streakwave was telling me that originally too, but it was during the
>>>>> change of the model number of the standalone radio.  Now that the model
>>>>> number for the stand alone radio is changed, price is a bit higher, but
>>>>> they are once again available.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>> On Apr 27, 2020, at 14:26, Nate Burke 
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>  One distributor I talked to said they were being told by U

Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?

[Sean Heskett]

they will become hot spots because the stay at home orders are being lifted.

yes our social distancing has been working great!  it's about to not be
working great...the governments plan is basically to lift enough
restrictions to not overwhelm our hospitals, once the hospitals fill up
again they will issue new orders to stay at home.  it's a network capacity
plannning issue at this point.

open the valve a little, ok to much, close the valve again!
sean


On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 10:07 AM James Howard  wrote:

> People keep saying that other areas are going to become hot zones or hot
> spots.  Why?  If these areas have been in lockdown or even just social
> distancing, why would they all of a sudden become hot spots?  People keep
> saying that and they’re saying it about our area too.  The thing is though
> that Wisconsin and Illinois had “detected” cases before New York did.
> Worldmeters.info lists the first 20 “confirmed” cases in the US.  2 of
> those were in Illinois and I believe the 12th case in the US was in
> Wisconsin.  The Wisconsin case recovered (she calls it a dehumanizing
> experience) and wrote an article about her experience.  The thing to point
> out is that this was before any social distancing or basically any
> precautions were being taken even by medical personnel.  She went in to the
> ER when she started getting sick (which was btw 2 days after she returned
> from Portugal by way of 17 hour layover in Amsterdam) and was sent home.
> Over the course of her illness she called 911 TWICE and was transported by
> ambulance back to the ER.  At least two different ambulance crews in
> addition to the people in the ER waiting room plus any ER personnel were
> all exposed to her multiple times.  Despite this, as of yesterday the
> reported number of COVID deaths in Wisconsin is 281 for the entire state.
>  That positive test was FEBRUARY 5th.   I’m not disputing that this is
> contagious and that there are segments of the population that are at much
> greater risk than others.  I’m just asking what is the logic that says that
> a “hot spot” will happen here 6 weeks after it was here (WITHOUT
> PRECAUTIONS or social distancing in place)?
>
>
>
> Sad story in the news here yesterday was about a couple that died within a
> couple hours of each other in the hospital.  Both had tested positive for
> COVID-19 and been sent home to quarantine.  He then fell and hit his head
> so both were admitted to the hospital and they both died there.  The story
> said that he didn’t die from COVID but from “head trauma”.  He was 94 and
> she was 93.
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>
>
> Seems like people don’t die on Sundays...or people reporting deaths wait
> until Tuesday to catchup.
>
>
>
> It does seem to be trending downward, but that is probably because we are
> seeing NYC numbers trending downward and the rest of the country will start
> to be the hot zones now.
>
>
>
> -Sean
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Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

[Sean Heskett]

Two ways to fix it...change the constitution or stop using those company’s
services until they change their behavior.  I don’t know which would be
easier.

-Sean


On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 2:49 AM Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> It's a problem when the main conduits for communication are all private
> corporations though, especially in situations like this.
>
> On Tuesday, April 28, 2020, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
>> Most people don’t realize that the constitutional protection of free
>> speech protects the government from stifling speech...private citizens and
>> corporations are not required to protect anyone’s speech.
>>
>> Not saying I agree or disagree with it, just stating what the
>> constitution says.
>>
>> YMMV
>>
>> -Sean
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 11:19 PM Jason McKemie <
>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Being "not evil" I guess. Another copy has been put up, but the stifling
>>> of free speech is a bit alarming. They do this all of the time with things
>>> the left deems inappropriate. I'm pretty much centrist, but the fringe at
>>> both sides is absolutely abhorrent, I'll go back to adhering to lent now.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, April 28, 2020, Robert  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Whoa, google took it down?  That's amazing.   I wonder what the process
>>>> that resulted in that was?
>>>>
>>>> On 4/27/20 8:01 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I'll watch it again, but it's a bit difficult now since Google took it
>>>> down. Doesn't help the case that they feel like they need to cover it up as
>>>> opposed to just tearing it apart if it is so wrong.
>>>>
>>>> On Monday, April 27, 2020, Robert  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> It's was pitched that way but you look at what they are doing with the
>>>>> "numbers" is totally fictitious...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 4/27/20 7:01 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> If we're thinking of the same video I thought it was pretty
>>>>> refreshing, and the overall gist of the thing seemed pretty sound to me.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Monday, April 27, 2020, Robert  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Yep, speculation that a couple of doctors in Kern County CA treated
>>>>>> like science fact to back up their agenda...   Ethics in Medicine is just
>>>>>> about dead, put another nail in the coffin..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 4/27/20 12:25 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well... here we are one week later, and we just ticked over 1 million
>>>>>> confirmed infections in the US. Let's hope that's the tip of the iceberg,
>>>>>> and that the actual infections is in the neighborhood of 50-80 million. I
>>>>>> don't believe the number is actually that high, but I would believe
>>>>>> something around 5-8 million. Either way, it is still just speculation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> bp
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 4/20/2020 9:33 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What are the treatments that are now working?  I try to be optimistic
>>>>>> about antivirals and convalescent plasma, but right now they mainly have
>>>>>> ventilators, which honestly aren’t very successful if 70-80% of the 
>>>>>> people
>>>>>> die.  They keep doing that because it’s the textbook therapy for
>>>>>> respiratory distress, but it ain’t working.  Even if it were working,
>>>>>> ventilators are not a treatment, they don’t reverse the disease, they are
>>>>>> just a measure to get you oxygen while your body hopefully fights the
>>>>>> infection.  And then you have the people experiencing kidney failure and
>>>>>> needing dialysis, they’re not sure if the damage is permanent.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I hope you’re right that the medical community has learned how to
>>>>>> treat it, but I haven’t heard the evidence for that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regarding a vaccine, one interesting piece of information I read was
>>>>>>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Hope?

[Sean Heskett]

Seems like people don’t die on Sundays...or people reporting deaths wait
until Tuesday to catchup.

It does seem to be trending downward, but that is probably because we are
seeing NYC numbers trending downward and the rest of the country will start
to be the hot zones now.

-Sean



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Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

[Sean Heskett]

Most people don’t realize that the constitutional protection of free speech
protects the government from stifling speech...private citizens and
corporations are not required to protect anyone’s speech.

Not saying I agree or disagree with it, just stating what the constitution
says.

YMMV

-Sean


On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 11:19 PM Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> Being "not evil" I guess. Another copy has been put up, but the stifling
> of free speech is a bit alarming. They do this all of the time with things
> the left deems inappropriate. I'm pretty much centrist, but the fringe at
> both sides is absolutely abhorrent, I'll go back to adhering to lent now.
>
> On Tuesday, April 28, 2020, Robert  wrote:
>
>> Whoa, google took it down?  That's amazing.   I wonder what the process
>> that resulted in that was?
>>
>> On 4/27/20 8:01 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>>
>> I'll watch it again, but it's a bit difficult now since Google took it
>> down. Doesn't help the case that they feel like they need to cover it up as
>> opposed to just tearing it apart if it is so wrong.
>>
>> On Monday, April 27, 2020, Robert  wrote:
>>
>>> It's was pitched that way but you look at what they are doing with the
>>> "numbers" is totally fictitious...
>>>
>>>
>>> On 4/27/20 7:01 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>>>
>>> If we're thinking of the same video I thought it was pretty refreshing,
>>> and the overall gist of the thing seemed pretty sound to me.
>>>
>>> On Monday, April 27, 2020, Robert  wrote:
>>>
 Yep, speculation that a couple of doctors in Kern County CA treated
 like science fact to back up their agenda...   Ethics in Medicine is just
 about dead, put another nail in the coffin..

 On 4/27/20 12:25 PM, Bill Prince wrote:

 Well... here we are one week later, and we just ticked over 1 million
 confirmed infections in the US. Let's hope that's the tip of the iceberg,
 and that the actual infections is in the neighborhood of 50-80 million. I
 don't believe the number is actually that high, but I would believe
 something around 5-8 million. Either way, it is still just speculation.


 bp
 


 On 4/20/2020 9:33 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

 What are the treatments that are now working?  I try to be optimistic
 about antivirals and convalescent plasma, but right now they mainly have
 ventilators, which honestly aren’t very successful if 70-80% of the people
 die.  They keep doing that because it’s the textbook therapy for
 respiratory distress, but it ain’t working.  Even if it were working,
 ventilators are not a treatment, they don’t reverse the disease, they are
 just a measure to get you oxygen while your body hopefully fights the
 infection.  And then you have the people experiencing kidney failure and
 needing dialysis, they’re not sure if the damage is permanent.



 I hope you’re right that the medical community has learned how to treat
 it, but I haven’t heard the evidence for that.



 Regarding a vaccine, one interesting piece of information I read was
 that even if they develop a successful and safe vaccine (many challenges
 including the sensitization problem), then they have to scale up vaccine
 production.  Right now most vaccines are just for each new wave of
 schoolchildren, this would have to be for the entire population.  And not
 in chicken eggs, it would have to be in big vats.  And the interesting part
 is they could repurpose fermentation tanks used for things like brewing
 beer.





 *From:* AF   *On
 Behalf Of *Bill Prince
 *Sent:* Monday, April 20, 2020 11:20 AM
 *To:* af@af.afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism



 Time will tell based on whether it actually starts declining in a
 meaningful way, or whether we're going to bump along for a bit. Remember,
 the goal was to flatten the curve; it wasn't necessarily going to reduce
 the number of infections. I get the impression that the medical community
 has learned a lot about how to actually treat it.

 Let's see where we are a week from today (April 27). If we are over 1
 million infections, this may be going a while yet. If it is under 1
 million, I would be more encouraged.

 bp

 



 On 4/20/2020 8:20 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

 Looks a bit Gaussian to me.  I hope...



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Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 11 radios

[Sean Heskett]

Why in the world would you buy crappy radios from a crappy company that
likes to frivolously sue its customers and distributors?  They also seem to
like to discontinue products at the drop of a hat.

Not gonna build my business model around a crappy company like that.

2 cents

-Sean


On Mon, Apr 27, 2020 at 1:05 PM Nate Burke  wrote:

> I've heard a rumor that the only way to buy an AF11 radio now is in a
> kit with Radio+Single Diplexer+Dish.  Single radios cannot be
> purchased.  How can you keep spares of equipment if that's the case?
>
> The price has gone up too.  We were getting bare radios for $585 last
> year.  Now if you break the cost out of the Dishes and Diplexers from
> the Kit, it's $680 for just the radio.  And places that have bare radios
> listed in their online stores (but have no stock) have a single radio in
> the $900 range.
>
> Is UBNT Just trying to kill the 3rd party Antenna market?  Or were they
> having problems interfacing to other dishes  because of their unique N
> connector method?  The part that really annoys me is that I can't just
> have spare radios sitting on the shelf.
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Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out

[Sean Heskett]

Hi Gilbert,

Yeah our issues were on the 1036.  The 1072s have been pretty stable.

We also had an NTP issue but I can’t remember all the details of that one.

Since nothing is showing in your logs id look at environmental issues, but
it seems heat Probably isn’t your issue.

-Sean


On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 3:28 PM Gilbert Gutierrez <
mailing-li...@phxinternet.com> wrote:

> Sean,
> In my investigation on possibly following your suggestions, I found that
> the 1072 appears to be fixed at 1000. It was an idea .
>
>
> Gilbert
>
> On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 12:00 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
>> Hi Steve,
>>
>> We were having random reboots on some CCR1036s and we finally solved the
>> issue by downclocking the CPU to 1000 (they run at 1200 out of the box).
>>  down clocking them didn't really impact performance other than they
>> stopped randomly rebooting lol.
>>
>> -sean
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 12:44 PM Steven Kenney 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Were you ever able to pin down certain times/situations when you'd get
>>> the random reboot?  I've experienced this too,  nothing in the console,
>>> logs,  nothing.  Supout had nothing as well.  Its completely random however
>>> it does tend to happen when there is higher amount of traffic.
>>>
>>> --
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>>> Network Operations Manager
>>> WaveDirect Telecommunications
>>> http://www.wavedirect.net
>>> (519)737-WAVE (9283)
>>>
>>> --
>>> *From: *"Gilbert Gutierrez" 
>>> *To: *"af" 
>>> *Sent: *Friday, April 24, 2020 12:03:37 PM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out
>>>
>>> Dave... I have two 1072s in my network and I have had issues with both
>>> units and perceived random reboots. I am not a fan and buying something
>>> else to replace them.
>>> Gilbert
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 1:04 PM dave  wrote:
>>>
>>>> My thoughts exactly because Im looking at replacing my powerv4 with a
>>>> 1072
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 4/23/20 2:47 PM, Josh Baird wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Yeah - we need to see diagrams to see what is actually going on under
>>>> the hood..
>>>>
>>>> This is supposedly the "new 1009," so I suspect there are some
>>>> limitations here.
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 3:42 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> So is Tilera now like PPC, they have moved on to ARM?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Seems like you’d need to see the block diagram, are all those ports
>>>>> directly connected to the CPU, or via switch chips?  And is this
>>>>> architected as a router, or a switch?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Dennis Burgess
>>>>> via AF
>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, April 23, 2020 2:34 PM
>>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>>>> *Cc:* Dennis Burgess 
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Correction 12x 10Gigabit SFP+ Interfaces.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *[image: LTI-Full_175px]*
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE,
>>>>> MTCTCE, MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium ePMP Certified *
>>>>>
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>>>>>
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>>>>> via AF
>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, April 23, 2020 1:18 PM
>>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>>>> *Cc:* Dennis Burgess 
>>>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 10x 10 Gigabit SFP+ Interfaces
>>>>>
>>>>> 2x 25 Gigabit SFP28 Interfaces
>>>>>
>>>>> Quad Core ARM 64 bit CPU
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> List price: $600
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *[image: LTI-Full_175px]*
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>> MTCTCE, MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium ePMP Certified *
>>>>>
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>>>>>
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>>>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out

[Sean Heskett]

Hi Steve,

We were having random reboots on some CCR1036s and we finally solved the
issue by downclocking the CPU to 1000 (they run at 1200 out of the box).
 down clocking them didn't really impact performance other than they
stopped randomly rebooting lol.

-sean



On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 12:44 PM Steven Kenney  wrote:

> Were you ever able to pin down certain times/situations when you'd get the
> random reboot?  I've experienced this too,  nothing in the console,  logs,
> nothing.  Supout had nothing as well.  Its completely random however it
> does tend to happen when there is higher amount of traffic.
>
> --
> Steven Kenney
> Network Operations Manager
> WaveDirect Telecommunications
> http://www.wavedirect.net
> (519)737-WAVE (9283)
>
> --
> *From: *"Gilbert Gutierrez" 
> *To: *"af" 
> *Sent: *Friday, April 24, 2020 12:03:37 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out
>
> Dave... I have two 1072s in my network and I have had issues with both
> units and perceived random reboots. I am not a fan and buying something
> else to replace them.
> Gilbert
>
> On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 1:04 PM dave  wrote:
>
>> My thoughts exactly because Im looking at replacing my powerv4 with a 1072
>>
>>
>> On 4/23/20 2:47 PM, Josh Baird wrote:
>>
>> Yeah - we need to see diagrams to see what is actually going on under the
>> hood..
>>
>> This is supposedly the "new 1009," so I suspect there are some
>> limitations here.
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 3:42 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>
>>> So is Tilera now like PPC, they have moved on to ARM?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Seems like you’d need to see the block diagram, are all those ports
>>> directly connected to the CPU, or via switch chips?  And is this
>>> architected as a router, or a switch?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Dennis Burgess via
>>> AF
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, April 23, 2020 2:34 PM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>> *Cc:* Dennis Burgess 
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Correction 12x 10Gigabit SFP+ Interfaces.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *[image: LTI-Full_175px]*
>>>
>>>
>>> *Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE,
>>> MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium ePMP Certified *
>>>
>>> Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition”
>>>
>>> *Link Technologies, Inc* -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
>>>
>>> *Office*: 314-735-0270  Website: http://www.linktechs.net
>>>
>>> Create Wireless Coverage’s with www.towercoverage.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Dennis Burgess via
>>> AF
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, April 23, 2020 1:18 PM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>> *Cc:* Dennis Burgess 
>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] CCR2004 coming out
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 10x 10 Gigabit SFP+ Interfaces
>>>
>>> 2x 25 Gigabit SFP28 Interfaces
>>>
>>> Quad Core ARM 64 bit CPU
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> List price: $600
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *[image: LTI-Full_175px]*
>>>
>>>
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>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] New unlicensed spectrum

[Sean Heskett]

It was a group effort by a big group of entities, WISPA had a lot of
influence to make 850Mhz of the 1200mhz available for outdoor PMP.

-Sean


On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 8:14 PM Matt Hoppes <
mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:

> So did WISPA make this happen?  Or was it the millions these companies
> dropped that made it happen?
>
> On Apr 23, 2020, at 9:51 PM, Eric Nielsen  wrote:
>
> The primary influencers behind the rule change are some small, no-name
> companies like Google, Facebook, Apple, Broadcom. I doubt you’ve heard of
> them. They’re interested in unlicensed 6GHz for the indoor low power
> (WiFi6) usage.
>
> I’m certain they’ve dropped millions lobbying for this.
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 9:45 PM TJ Trout  wrote:
>
>> There must be some ulterior motive here there is no way that the FCC out
>> of the goodness of their heart provided more unlicensed spectrum to the
>> common man/small business.
>>
>> So the question is who can utilize this spectrum?
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 23, 2020, 6:35 PM Tim Hardy  wrote:
>>
>>> FCC has total authority over these bands.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 9:29 PM Kurt Fankhauser <
>>> lists.wavel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> How can the FCC make spectrum available for un-licensed without an act
>>>> of Congress?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 7:30 PM Erich Kaiser <
>>>> er...@northcentraltower.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> yes you are right.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Erich Kaiser
>>>>> North Central Tower
>>>>> er...@northcentraltower.com
>>>>> Office: 815-570-3101
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 6:12 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> More like 4.9 to 7.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Erich Kaiser
>>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, April 23, 2020 5:35 PM
>>>>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] New unlicensed spectrum
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Two of the UNII  bands are heavily used for licensed PTP and I mean
>>>>>> heavily, so really if the AFC system works correctly most of the spectrum
>>>>>> proposed will likely be unuseable outdoor.  I feel like from a 
>>>>>> reliability
>>>>>> standpoint it will be tough to count on a system that uses AFC in 
>>>>>> general.
>>>>>>  What about the Antenna being used on these APs are they going to be able
>>>>>> to cover the entire band from 5Ghz to 6Ghz efficiently?  Just thinking...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Erich Kaiser
>>>>>>
>>>>>> North Central Tower
>>>>>>
>>>>>> er...@northcentraltower.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Office: 815-570-3101
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 5:24 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> from Fred Goldstein via the wispa list:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "There are really two different types of devices approved today. A
>>>>>> Standard Power device, allowed +36 dBm EIRP, must communicate daily with 
>>>>>> an
>>>>>> AFC that determines what frequencies are available at its location. It 
>>>>>> must
>>>>>> have geolocation. (We are waiting to see the final Order to see how the
>>>>>> "client AP" is handled.) The rules for the AFC are reasonably 
>>>>>> conservative,
>>>>>> so the licensed PtP users are generally pretty happy with it. And a whole
>>>>>> bunch of companies have already been working on AFCs.
>>>>>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] New unlicensed spectrum

[Sean Heskett]

from Fred Goldstein via the wispa list:

"There are really two different types of devices approved today. A Standard
Power device, allowed +36 dBm EIRP, must communicate daily with an AFC that
determines what frequencies are available at its location. It must have
geolocation. (We are waiting to see the final Order to see how the "client
AP" is handled.) The rules for the AFC are reasonably conservative, so the
licensed PtP users are generally pretty happy with it. And a whole bunch of
companies have already been working on AFCs.

The Low Power Indoor device, on the other hand, does not require AFC. It is
limited to indoor use only (must have mains power, may not be weatherproof,
must be labeled) and is allowed +30 dBm EIRP (clients +24 dBm). Since those
can use any frequency, the incumbents are a wee bit concerned. But between
building entry losses (pretty high at 6 GHz) and the directionality of the
FS dishes, harmful interference is unlikely. That is likely to be a volume
market for Wi-Fi 6e. The higher-end business stuff, and ours, will be
standard power.

The FNPRM asks about Very Low Power outdoor operation without AFC. Like
cell phones and small hotspots. It also asks about higher power for
AFC-controlled devices."

On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 4:07 PM Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> Yep...lots of buzz from this
>
> On Thu, Apr 23, 2020, 3:47 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
>> WISPA said they are waiting for them to release the order.  they are
>> hoping it's 36db...there's a chance it's only 30db.
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 3:42 PM Tim Withrow via AF 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I learned that the FCC approved 1200Mhz of unlicensed spectrum in 6
>>> Gigahertz today.
>>>
>>> any idea what Eirp they approved for fixed wireless?
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Re: [AFMUG] New unlicensed spectrum

[Sean Heskett]

WISPA said they are waiting for them to release the order.  they are hoping
it's 36db...there's a chance it's only 30db.

On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 3:42 PM Tim Withrow via AF  wrote:

> I learned that the FCC approved 1200Mhz of unlicensed spectrum in 6
> Gigahertz today.
>
> any idea what Eirp they approved for fixed wireless?
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Re: [AFMUG] billing

[Sean Heskett]

We are running v1.0 still and we have  txt to customer thru twilio
integration.

-Sean


On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 10:43 PM Sterling Jacobson 
wrote:

> Text to customer isn’t a feature yet.
>
>
>
> Are you running v2.0 Sonar already?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Sean Heskett
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 22, 2020 7:04 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] billing
>
>
>
> if you only want to do billing Platypus is still around and is relatively
> cheap, but it is literally a billing platform only.
>
>
>
> Sonar is a total CRM as well as business management platform...the whole
> enchilada.
>
>
>
> -sean
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 6:58 PM  wrote:
>
> I used Plat years ago and was happy with it.
>
> So glad to hear you are happy with Sonar.
>
> Simon is a standup guy.
>
>
>
> *From:* Sean Heskett
>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 22, 2020 6:55 PM
>
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] billing
>
>
>
> Sonar is awesome, you won't be disappointed.
>
>
>
> we started with platypus, moved to powercode, it was an upgrade from plat
> but was way too clunky and at the time powercode couldn't do RADIUS so,
> after 18 months of trying to make our business model fit to the powercode
> way we moved to Sonar and haven't looked back.
>
>
>
> Sonar is very forward thinking with their service and they have just about
> every integration under the sun you could think of (text to customer, fleet
> tracking, preseem QoS, snail mail marketing etc.)
>
>
>
> -Sean
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 5:59 PM  wrote:
>
> I will probably be launching a new network this calendar year.  So at some
> point I will once again have to try to choose the best billing platform.
>
>
>
> Leaking toward Sonar.  Have used Plat in the past.  Is Powercode still
> alive?
>
> Opinions?
>
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Re: [AFMUG] billing

[Sean Heskett]

Yes sonar will still integrate with procera/sanvine, also sisae (or however
you spell it) and of course preseem.

In fact if you find something you want sonar to integrate with they will
dedicate the resources to make it happen.

On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 8:24 PM Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> Does Sonar still have some sort of working arrangement with
> Procera/Sandvine?  Or is it only Preseem now?
>
> On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 7:56 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
>> Sonar is awesome, you won't be disappointed.
>>
>> we started with platypus, moved to powercode, it was an upgrade from plat
>> but was way too clunky and at the time powercode couldn't do RADIUS so,
>> after 18 months of trying to make our business model fit to the powercode
>> way we moved to Sonar and haven't looked back.
>>
>> Sonar is very forward thinking with their service and they have just
>> about every integration under the sun you could think of (text to customer,
>> fleet tracking, preseem QoS, snail mail marketing etc.)
>>
>> -Sean
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 5:59 PM  wrote:
>>
>>> I will probably be launching a new network this calendar year.  So at
>>> some point I will once again have to try to choose the best billing
>>> platform.
>>>
>>> Leaking toward Sonar.  Have used Plat in the past.  Is Powercode still
>>> alive?
>>> Opinions?
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Re: [AFMUG] billing

[Sean Heskett]

if you only want to do billing Platypus is still around and is relatively
cheap, but it is literally a billing platform only.

Sonar is a total CRM as well as business management platform...the whole
enchilada.

-sean


On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 6:58 PM  wrote:

> I used Plat years ago and was happy with it.
> So glad to hear you are happy with Sonar.
> Simon is a standup guy.
>
> *From:* Sean Heskett
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 22, 2020 6:55 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] billing
>
> Sonar is awesome, you won't be disappointed.
>
> we started with platypus, moved to powercode, it was an upgrade from plat
> but was way too clunky and at the time powercode couldn't do RADIUS so,
> after 18 months of trying to make our business model fit to the powercode
> way we moved to Sonar and haven't looked back.
>
> Sonar is very forward thinking with their service and they have just about
> every integration under the sun you could think of (text to customer, fleet
> tracking, preseem QoS, snail mail marketing etc.)
>
> -Sean
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 5:59 PM  wrote:
>
>> I will probably be launching a new network this calendar year.  So at
>> some point I will once again have to try to choose the best billing
>> platform.
>>
>> Leaking toward Sonar.  Have used Plat in the past.  Is Powercode still
>> alive?
>> Opinions?
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Re: [AFMUG] billing

[Sean Heskett]

Sonar is awesome, you won't be disappointed.

we started with platypus, moved to powercode, it was an upgrade from plat
but was way too clunky and at the time powercode couldn't do RADIUS so,
after 18 months of trying to make our business model fit to the powercode
way we moved to Sonar and haven't looked back.

Sonar is very forward thinking with their service and they have just about
every integration under the sun you could think of (text to customer, fleet
tracking, preseem QoS, snail mail marketing etc.)

-Sean




On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 5:59 PM  wrote:

> I will probably be launching a new network this calendar year.  So at some
> point I will once again have to try to choose the best billing platform.
>
> Leaking toward Sonar.  Have used Plat in the past.  Is Powercode still
> alive?
> Opinions?
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Re: [AFMUG] Need AirFiber5x

[Sean Heskett]

Hi Jamie,

I think we have a decommissioned pair in our storage.  I’ll go look later
today.

-Sean


On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 2:31 PM Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> We need an older model AirFiber5x...
> Any one know where we can get one? Thanks, El Dude
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Re: [AFMUG] 5.9 open now?

[Sean Heskett]

Different firmware for canopy 450

Not sure about ePMP

On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 5:17 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> I thought Cambium was a license key not different firmware.  Not sure
> about Ubiquiti.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 16, 2020 5:51 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 5.9 open now?
>
>
>
> Kp needs to clean up their ad. It's really misleading, I'd hope that
> anybody who sees it is smart enough to make sure their equipment can use us
> before they go buying stuff, though most antennas are already good.
>
> Are the vendors requiring proof before they dole out the firmware on these?
>
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 16, 2020, 4:53 PM Cassidy B. Larson  wrote:
>
> I like to blacklist vendors who seem to harvest the email I only use for
> FCC filings/notices. These are the ones that end up sending unsolicited
> sales emails to a FCC-only address.
>
> I could just be mean though.
>
>
>
> On Apr 16, 2020, at 3:29 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
>
>
> have to have an STA
>
>
>
> FYI every vendor that has anything to do with any kind of 5ghz wireless is
> now spam bombing my email since we received our STA.  can say i blame them
> but it woke me up to the fact that some people actually do pay attention to
> the FCC site and then push out marketing materials.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 12:04 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
> KP just sent out an email saying FCC opened this up for use. did I miss
> something, or are they just playing on the Temporary Use approvals?
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