Re: [AFMUG] Flying with Lithium Batteries

[chuck]

I check all my tools.  

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Friday, March 29, 2019 9:23 AM
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Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Flying with Lithium Batteries

What about the drill bits?   They wouldn't let me bring a RJ45 crimper on the 
plane because it had tiny razor blades on it.  Seems like a drill bit is a lot 
more weaponizable than a 1/2" long razor.
-Adam



On 3/28/2019 8:27 PM, Steve Utick wrote:

  I've flown numerous times in the last year with my cordless drill.   I put 
the drill itself in my checked bag and carry the battery for it in my carry on. 
 I usually put it in a plastic zip lock bag inside my checked bag.   Most of 
the time, flying out of our smaller airport, they will check out my bag by 
hand, but I've never had anyone even look twice at it when flying home out of 
larger airports.   Never had any issues with anyone questioning it at all, just 
our local airport is small and they seem bored and looking for things to do.   
I've never taken a charger with me, never had that much to do that I'd need to 
charge my drill while I've been out.



  On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 4:39 PM Nate Burke  wrote:

I'm going with a group of High School kids from Church to the Bahamas 
this summer to do hurricane relief construction.  Has anyone flown with 
Drill batteries recently?  It looks like the FAA Allows Lithium 
batteries that are <=100 Watt Hour in your carry on bag, they are not 
allowed in checked baggage.  A Dewalt 20v, 5ah battery is 100WH.  Has 
anyone flown with batteries, do you have to do anything special in 
screening or anything?

From this document 

https://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/headquarters_offices/ash/ash_programs/hazmat/passenger_info/media/Airline_passengers_and_batteries.pdf
 
It says that chargers are considered volatile, and must be treated as 
batteries, I'm not sure why that would be.  According to the infographic 
it seems that the battery can be in the checked bag if it's attached to 
a tool?  That doesn't seem to make any sense.

Nate

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Re: [AFMUG] Flying with Lithium Batteries

[Adam Moffett]

What about the drill bits?   They wouldn't let me bring a RJ45 crimper 
on the plane because it had tiny razor blades on it.  Seems like a drill 
bit is a lot more weaponizable than a 1/2" long razor.

-Adam


On 3/28/2019 8:27 PM, Steve Utick wrote:
I've flown numerous times in the last year with my cordless drill.   I 
put the drill itself in my checked bag and carry the battery for it in 
my carry on.  I usually put it in a plastic zip lock bag inside my 
checked bag.   Most of the time, flying out of our smaller airport, 
they will check out my bag by hand, but I've never had anyone even 
look twice at it when flying home out of larger airports.   Never had 
any issues with anyone questioning it at all, just our local airport 
is small and they seem bored and looking for things to do.   I've 
never taken a charger with me, never had that much to do that I'd need 
to charge my drill while I've been out.



On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 4:39 PM Nate Burke > wrote:


I'm going with a group of High School kids from Church to the Bahamas
this summer to do hurricane relief construction.  Has anyone flown
with
Drill batteries recently?  It looks like the FAA Allows Lithium
batteries that are <=100 Watt Hour in your carry on bag, they are not
allowed in checked baggage.  A Dewalt 20v, 5ah battery is 100WH.  Has
anyone flown with batteries, do you have to do anything special in
screening or anything?

 From this document

https://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/headquarters_offices/ash/ash_programs/hazmat/passenger_info/media/Airline_passengers_and_batteries.pdf

It says that chargers are considered volatile, and must be treated as
batteries, I'm not sure why that would be.  According to the
infographic
it seems that the battery can be in the checked bag if it's
attached to
a tool?  That doesn't seem to make any sense.

Nate

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Re: [AFMUG] Flying with Lithium Batteries

[Tim Cailloux]

They're concerned about exposed contacts, which is why they want them in
the tool.  Just cover up the connectors with some electrical tape to keep
the contacts protected from possible short circuit.

tim


On Fri, Mar 29, 2019 at 9:14 AM Daniel White  wrote:

> Likewise, I've flown with cordless drills, drones, all sorts of Li-Ion
> batteries before.  So long as they are not larger than the recommendation
> put them in your carry on bag and the tools in the checked bags and you
> will be good.  They don't want Li-Ion batteries in the hold in case there
> is a cascade failure and they catch on fire.  In the cabin the thought it
> it can be extinguished.
>
> They do make bags to put Li-Ion batteries in, in case they were to fail.
> They are not that expensive if you are worried at all.
>
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> Steve Utick wrote on 3/28/19 20:27:
>
> I've flown numerous times in the last year with my cordless drill.   I put
> the drill itself in my checked bag and carry the battery for it in my carry
> on.  I usually put it in a plastic zip lock bag inside my checked bag.
> Most of the time, flying out of our smaller airport, they will check out my
> bag by hand, but I've never had anyone even look twice at it when flying
> home out of larger airports.   Never had any issues with anyone questioning
> it at all, just our local airport is small and they seem bored and looking
> for things to do.   I've never taken a charger with me, never had that much
> to do that I'd need to charge my drill while I've been out.
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 4:39 PM Nate Burke  wrote:
>
>> I'm going with a group of High School kids from Church to the Bahamas
>> this summer to do hurricane relief construction.  Has anyone flown with
>> Drill batteries recently?  It looks like the FAA Allows Lithium
>> batteries that are <=100 Watt Hour in your carry on bag, they are not
>> allowed in checked baggage.  A Dewalt 20v, 5ah battery is 100WH.  Has
>> anyone flown with batteries, do you have to do anything special in
>> screening or anything?
>>
>>  From this document
>>
>> https://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/headquarters_offices/ash/ash_programs/hazmat/passenger_info/media/Airline_passengers_and_batteries.pdf
>> It says that chargers are considered volatile, and must be treated as
>> batteries, I'm not sure why that would be.  According to the infographic
>> it seems that the battery can be in the checked bag if it's attached to
>> a tool?  That doesn't seem to make any sense.
>>
>> Nate
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Re: [AFMUG] Flying with Lithium Batteries

[Daniel White]

Likewise, I've flown with cordless drills, drones, all sorts of Li-Ion 
batteries before.  So long as they are not larger than the 
recommendation put them in your carry on bag and the tools in the 
checked bags and you will be good.  They don't want Li-Ion batteries in 
the hold in case there is a cascade failure and they catch on fire.  In 
the cabin the thought it it can be extinguished.


They do make bags to put Li-Ion batteries in, in case they were to fail. 
They are not that expensive if you are worried at all.



Daniel White
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direct: +1 (702) 470-2766
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Steve Utick wrote on 3/28/19 20:27:
I've flown numerous times in the last year with my cordless drill.   I 
put the drill itself in my checked bag and carry the battery for it in 
my carry on.  I usually put it in a plastic zip lock bag inside my 
checked bag.   Most of the time, flying out of our smaller airport, 
they will check out my bag by hand, but I've never had anyone even 
look twice at it when flying home out of larger airports.   Never had 
any issues with anyone questioning it at all, just our local airport 
is small and they seem bored and looking for things to do.   I've 
never taken a charger with me, never had that much to do that I'd need 
to charge my drill while I've been out.



On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 4:39 PM Nate Burke > wrote:


I'm going with a group of High School kids from Church to the Bahamas
this summer to do hurricane relief construction.  Has anyone flown
with
Drill batteries recently?  It looks like the FAA Allows Lithium
batteries that are <=100 Watt Hour in your carry on bag, they are not
allowed in checked baggage.  A Dewalt 20v, 5ah battery is 100WH.  Has
anyone flown with batteries, do you have to do anything special in
screening or anything?

 From this document

https://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/headquarters_offices/ash/ash_programs/hazmat/passenger_info/media/Airline_passengers_and_batteries.pdf

It says that chargers are considered volatile, and must be treated as
batteries, I'm not sure why that would be.  According to the
infographic
it seems that the battery can be in the checked bag if it's
attached to
a tool?  That doesn't seem to make any sense.

Nate

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Re: [AFMUG] Flying with Lithium Batteries

[Steve Utick]

I've flown numerous times in the last year with my cordless drill.   I put
the drill itself in my checked bag and carry the battery for it in my carry
on.  I usually put it in a plastic zip lock bag inside my checked bag.
Most of the time, flying out of our smaller airport, they will check out my
bag by hand, but I've never had anyone even look twice at it when flying
home out of larger airports.   Never had any issues with anyone questioning
it at all, just our local airport is small and they seem bored and looking
for things to do.   I've never taken a charger with me, never had that much
to do that I'd need to charge my drill while I've been out.


On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 4:39 PM Nate Burke  wrote:

> I'm going with a group of High School kids from Church to the Bahamas
> this summer to do hurricane relief construction.  Has anyone flown with
> Drill batteries recently?  It looks like the FAA Allows Lithium
> batteries that are <=100 Watt Hour in your carry on bag, they are not
> allowed in checked baggage.  A Dewalt 20v, 5ah battery is 100WH.  Has
> anyone flown with batteries, do you have to do anything special in
> screening or anything?
>
>  From this document
>
> https://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/headquarters_offices/ash/ash_programs/hazmat/passenger_info/media/Airline_passengers_and_batteries.pdf
> It says that chargers are considered volatile, and must be treated as
> batteries, I'm not sure why that would be.  According to the infographic
> it seems that the battery can be in the checked bag if it's attached to
> a tool?  That doesn't seem to make any sense.
>
> Nate
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Re: [AFMUG] Flying with Lithium Batteries

[Bill Prince]

I think they just need to be packaged certain ways.
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On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 4:03 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Drills can look like guns on Xrays.  Could you not just ship them ahead via
> something like UPS or FedEx, then ship them back?  Or are lithium batteries
> not allowed as cargo either?  They must get shipped somehow, I doubt they
> are getting to stores via mule train or Star Trek transporters.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Nate Burke
> Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2019 5:38 PM
> To: Animal Farm 
> Subject: [AFMUG] Flying with Lithium Batteries
>
> I'm going with a group of High School kids from Church to the Bahamas this
> summer to do hurricane relief construction.  Has anyone flown with Drill
> batteries recently?  It looks like the FAA Allows Lithium batteries that
> are
> <=100 Watt Hour in your carry on bag, they are not allowed in checked
> baggage.  A Dewalt 20v, 5ah battery is 100WH.  Has anyone flown with
> batteries, do you have to do anything special in screening or anything?
>
>  From this document
>
> https://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/headquarters_offices/ash/ash_programs/h
> azmat/passenger_info/media/Airline_passengers_and_batteries.pdf
> <https://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/headquarters_offices/ash/ash_programs/hazmat/passenger_info/media/Airline_passengers_and_batteries.pdf>
> It says that chargers are considered volatile, and must be treated as
> batteries, I'm not sure why that would be.  According to the infographic it
> seems that the battery can be in the checked bag if it's attached to a
> tool?
> That doesn't seem to make any sense.
>
> Nate
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Re: [AFMUG] Flying with Lithium Batteries

[Ken Hohhof]

Drills can look like guns on Xrays.  Could you not just ship them ahead via
something like UPS or FedEx, then ship them back?  Or are lithium batteries
not allowed as cargo either?  They must get shipped somehow, I doubt they
are getting to stores via mule train or Star Trek transporters.

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2019 5:38 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: [AFMUG] Flying with Lithium Batteries

I'm going with a group of High School kids from Church to the Bahamas this
summer to do hurricane relief construction.  Has anyone flown with Drill
batteries recently?  It looks like the FAA Allows Lithium batteries that are
<=100 Watt Hour in your carry on bag, they are not allowed in checked
baggage.  A Dewalt 20v, 5ah battery is 100WH.  Has anyone flown with
batteries, do you have to do anything special in screening or anything?

 From this document
https://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/headquarters_offices/ash/ash_programs/h
azmat/passenger_info/media/Airline_passengers_and_batteries.pdf
It says that chargers are considered volatile, and must be treated as
batteries, I'm not sure why that would be.  According to the infographic it
seems that the battery can be in the checked bag if it's attached to a tool?
That doesn't seem to make any sense.

Nate

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Re: [AFMUG] Flying with Lithium Batteries

[Bill Prince]

Not to point out the obvious, but why would you think their rules need to
make sense?

I can not think of a reason why a charger would be considered volatile. I
suppose if there are some electrolytic capacitors in the circuitry, they
could "pop", but in my experience that's only an issue when they're in an
active circuit.

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On Thu, Mar 28, 2019 at 3:39 PM Nate Burke  wrote:

> I'm going with a group of High School kids from Church to the Bahamas
> this summer to do hurricane relief construction.  Has anyone flown with
> Drill batteries recently?  It looks like the FAA Allows Lithium
> batteries that are <=100 Watt Hour in your carry on bag, they are not
> allowed in checked baggage.  A Dewalt 20v, 5ah battery is 100WH.  Has
> anyone flown with batteries, do you have to do anything special in
> screening or anything?
>
>  From this document
>
> https://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/headquarters_offices/ash/ash_programs/hazmat/passenger_info/media/Airline_passengers_and_batteries.pdf
> It says that chargers are considered volatile, and must be treated as
> batteries, I'm not sure why that would be.  According to the infographic
> it seems that the battery can be in the checked bag if it's attached to
> a tool?  That doesn't seem to make any sense.
>
> Nate
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[AFMUG] Flying with Lithium Batteries

[Nate Burke]

I'm going with a group of High School kids from Church to the Bahamas 
this summer to do hurricane relief construction.  Has anyone flown with 
Drill batteries recently?  It looks like the FAA Allows Lithium 
batteries that are <=100 Watt Hour in your carry on bag, they are not 
allowed in checked baggage.  A Dewalt 20v, 5ah battery is 100WH.  Has 
anyone flown with batteries, do you have to do anything special in 
screening or anything?


From this document 
https://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/headquarters_offices/ash/ash_programs/hazmat/passenger_info/media/Airline_passengers_and_batteries.pdf 
It says that chargers are considered volatile, and must be treated as 
batteries, I'm not sure why that would be.  According to the infographic 
it seems that the battery can be in the checked bag if it's attached to 
a tool?  That doesn't seem to make any sense.


Nate

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