Re: [AFMUG] Nvidia Geforce Now
On 3/27/19 12:19 PM, fiber...@mail.com wrote: $200/month would pay for a lot of fiber... You must not live somewhere where the ground is made of rock. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Nvidia Geforce Now
$200/month would pay for a lot of fiber... Jared Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2019 From: "Bill Prince" To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Nvidia Geforce Now We had a repair guy out here the other day, and in the coarse of our conversation he mentioned that his cable bill is $200/month. These days, 5 months of your cable bill will pay for a decent computer to do whatever. 12 months will get you a premium gaming machine. bp On 3/27/2019 8:18 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: Yeah, everything is a subscription now. Because why settle for a one-time sale when you can get a perpetual revenue stream. I guess they want to capture the mobile device market. Plus make games more like videos, where you can just rent titles rather than make the decision to buy one. Does this really make it possible to play a high end game on a phone? And if so, wouldn’t it run the battery down pretty fast? From: AF On Behalf Of Mathew Howard Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2019 9:59 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Nvidia Geforce Now Well, I imagine, the longterm goal is that instead of needing to convince somebody to buy a $1000 PC, or even a $400 game console and $60 for every game, you can sell them a $50 box, that they might already have, and charge them a subscription fee. On Wed, Mar 27, 2019 at 9:38 AM Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote: I was just sitting here wondering what the reason is. Moving the graphics processing to the cloud meanswhat? I suppose you can play good games on crummy hardware. It's possible there's an energy savings in moving the computation to a data center where compute loads can be managed. Are those reasons really compelling enough to push that much stuff onto the network? What am I not seeing? -Adam On 3/27/2019 10:04 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: > Playing games on it show about 40-50Mbps on my system. Holy bandwidth, Batman! It used to be the most important things to life as we know it were electricity and water, and we were encouraged to conserve both of them. Not just encouraged, mandated. Don’t get caught with an incandescent bulb or a 3 gallon toilet. Now it seems everyone is telling us the Internet is the most important thing (and don’t forget 5G). It is a national emergency to get everyone faster and faster Internet. Yet we are encouraged to do the equivalent of leaving the lights on and the water running when we’re not home. If someone suggested ways to conserve Internet bandwidth, he would be laughed at. So don’t use a game console, use one somewhere else and stream 40-50 Mbps of video over the Internet to your screen. Maybe get your 3 kids to join the game, each with their own 40-50 Mbps stream. Just like all the people putting umpteen 1080p cameras around their house and then sitting in their living room watching them … over the Internet. Or streaming Fox News to every screen in the house so it’s always on as you walk from room to room … which was not wasteful when we used broadcast TV, but now each screen gets its own private stream over the Internet, even if it’s the same show. I suspect this will never change, there will be no bandwidth conservation movement, we will just keep using more and more and more. That convinces me we need fiber not 5G, but apparently I’m wrong. From: AF On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2019 11:24 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: [AFMUG] Nvidia Geforce Now Just got accepted to the general beta for the new Geforce Now system. Playing games on it show about 40-50Mbps on my system. Works ok, some games playable but not as good as gaming native. This is the new era stuff, basically RDP/VM gaming remotely transmitting graphics to your local screen. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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Haha, 5G is wireless, to a couple hundred feet where it again meets/needs fiber. From: AF On Behalf Of Jason McKemie Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2019 8:19 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Nvidia Geforce Now But didn't you hear? 5G is a replacement for hard wired Internet connections. On Wednesday, March 27, 2019, Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote: > Playing games on it show about 40-50Mbps on my system. Holy bandwidth, Batman! It used to be the most important things to life as we know it were electricity and water, and we were encouraged to conserve both of them. Not just encouraged, mandated. Don’t get caught with an incandescent bulb or a 3 gallon toilet. Now it seems everyone is telling us the Internet is the most important thing (and don’t forget 5G). It is a national emergency to get everyone faster and faster Internet. Yet we are encouraged to do the equivalent of leaving the lights on and the water running when we’re not home. If someone suggested ways to conserve Internet bandwidth, he would be laughed at. So don’t use a game console, use one somewhere else and stream 40-50 Mbps of video over the Internet to your screen. Maybe get your 3 kids to join the game, each with their own 40-50 Mbps stream. Just like all the people putting umpteen 1080p cameras around their house and then sitting in their living room watching them … over the Internet. Or streaming Fox News to every screen in the house so it’s always on as you walk from room to room … which was not wasteful when we used broadcast TV, but now each screen gets its own private stream over the Internet, even if it’s the same show. I suspect this will never change, there will be no bandwidth conservation movement, we will just keep using more and more and more. That convinces me we need fiber not 5G, but apparently I’m wrong. From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2019 11:24 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> Subject: [AFMUG] Nvidia Geforce Now Just got accepted to the general beta for the new Geforce Now system. Playing games on it show about 40-50Mbps on my system. Works ok, some games playable but not as good as gaming native. This is the new era stuff, basically RDP/VM gaming remotely transmitting graphics to your local screen. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Nvidia Geforce Now
We had a repair guy out here the other day, and in the coarse of our conversation he mentioned that his cable bill is $200/month. These days, 5 months of your cable bill will pay for a decent computer to do whatever. 12 months will get you a premium gaming machine. bp On 3/27/2019 8:18 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: Yeah, everything is a subscription now. Because why settle for a one-time sale when you can get a perpetual revenue stream. I guess they want to capture the mobile device market. Plus make games more like videos, where you can just rent titles rather than make the decision to buy one. Does this really make it possible to play a high end game on a phone? And if so, wouldn’t it run the battery down pretty fast? From: AF On Behalf Of Mathew Howard Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2019 9:59 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Nvidia Geforce Now Well, I imagine, the longterm goal is that instead of needing to convince somebody to buy a $1000 PC, or even a $400 game console and $60 for every game, you can sell them a $50 box, that they might already have, and charge them a subscription fee. On Wed, Mar 27, 2019 at 9:38 AM Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote: I was just sitting here wondering what the reason is. Moving the graphics processing to the cloud meanswhat? I suppose you can play good games on crummy hardware. It's possible there's an energy savings in moving the computation to a data center where compute loads can be managed. Are those reasons really compelling enough to push that much stuff onto the network? What am I not seeing? -Adam On 3/27/2019 10:04 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: > Playing games on it show about 40-50Mbps on my system. Holy bandwidth, Batman! It used to be the most important things to life as we know it were electricity and water, and we were encouraged to conserve both of them. Not just encouraged, mandated. Don’t get caught with an incandescent bulb or a 3 gallon toilet. Now it seems everyone is telling us the Internet is the most important thing (and don’t forget 5G). It is a national emergency to get everyone faster and faster Internet. Yet we are encouraged to do the equivalent of leaving the lights on and the water running when we’re not home. If someone suggested ways to conserve Internet bandwidth, he would be laughed at. So don’t use a game console, use one somewhere else and stream 40-50 Mbps of video over the Internet to your screen. Maybe get your 3 kids to join the game, each with their own 40-50 Mbps stream. Just like all the people putting umpteen 1080p cameras around their house and then sitting in their living room watching them … over the Internet. Or streaming Fox News to every screen in the house so it’s always on as you walk from room to room … which was not wasteful when we used broadcast TV, but now each screen gets its own private stream over the Internet, even if it’s the same show. I suspect this will never change, there will be no bandwidth conservation movement, we will just keep using more and more and more. That convinces me we need fiber not 5G, but apparently I’m wrong. From: AF On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson Sent: Tuesday, M
Re: [AFMUG] Nvidia Geforce Now
Yup, it makes sense from their point of view... it potentially opens up a much larger market. On Wed, Mar 27, 2019 at 10:30 AM wrote: > Money. The answer is always money. > > Gaming is a 138 billion dollar market. Over half of that is mobile gaming. > The majority of that in turn is casual gaming, particularly free to play > games. > > All this game streaming tech is an attempt to get at those casual gamers > that won't build gaming PCs or buy consoles. The idea is to remove barriers > to adoption and remove friction from on-boarding gamers and bilk them for > cash. > > If this happens to cause some pain to ISPs then that's just collateral > damage. > > Jared > *Sent:* Wednesday, March 27, 2019 > *From:* "Adam Moffett" > *To:* af@af.afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Nvidia Geforce Now > I was just sitting here wondering what the reason is. Moving the graphics > processing to the cloud meanswhat? > > I suppose you can play good games on crummy hardware. > It's possible there's an energy savings in moving the computation to a > data center where compute loads can be managed. > > Are those reasons really compelling enough to push that much stuff onto > the network? What am I not seeing? > > -Adam > > > On 3/27/2019, Ken Hohhof wrote: > > > Playing games on it show about 40-50Mbps on my system. > > > > Holy bandwidth, Batman! > > > > It used to be the most important things to life as we know it were > electricity and water, and we were encouraged to conserve both of them. > Not just encouraged, mandated. Don’t get caught with an incandescent bulb > or a 3 gallon toilet. > > > > Now it seems everyone is telling us the Internet is the most important > thing (and don’t forget 5G). It is a national emergency to get everyone > faster and faster Internet. Yet we are encouraged to do the equivalent of > leaving the lights on and the water running when we’re not home. If > someone suggested ways to conserve Internet bandwidth, he would be laughed > at. So don’t use a game console, use one somewhere else and stream 40-50 > Mbps of video over the Internet to your screen. Maybe get your 3 kids to > join the game, each with their own 40-50 Mbps stream. Just like all the > people putting umpteen 1080p cameras around their house and then sitting in > their living room watching them … over the Internet. Or streaming Fox News > to every screen in the house so it’s always on as you walk from room to > room … which was not wasteful when we used broadcast TV, but now each > screen gets its own private stream over the Internet, even if it’s the same > show. > > > > I suspect this will never change, there will be no bandwidth conservation > movement, we will just keep using more and more and more. That convinces > me we need fiber not 5G, but apparently I’m wrong. > > > > > > *From:* AF *On Behalf > Of *Sterling Jacobson > *Sent:* Tuesday, March 26, 2019 11:24 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* [AFMUG] Nvidia Geforce Now > > > > Just got accepted to the general beta for the new Geforce Now system. > > > > Playing games on it show about 40-50Mbps on my system. > > > > Works ok, some games playable but not as good as gaming native. > > > > This is the new era stuff, basically RDP/VM gaming remotely transmitting > graphics to your local screen. > > > > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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With the advances in AI, why is it necessary to play against people? Seems like you could play a console game against an AI opponent with skill level of your choosing, and not even need the Internet. Except they are making all the virtual assistant AI stuff like Alexa cloud based also. Everyone wants to lock you into a subscription, so they get a revenue stream, not a one time sale. -Original Message- From: AF On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2019 9:56 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Nvidia Geforce Now On 3/27/19 7:42 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: > I am seeing opportunity for selling premium fiber service. I dunno about that. People that can't necessarily afford to spend money on hardware that would be attracted to a low cost thin client probably can't justify a lot on internet, either. Then again some people I know who are just living paycheck to paycheck spend way too much money on cable TV. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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Money. The answer is always money. Gaming is a 138 billion dollar market. Over half of that is mobile gaming. The majority of that in turn is casual gaming, particularly free to play games. All this game streaming tech is an attempt to get at those casual gamers that won't build gaming PCs or buy consoles. The idea is to remove barriers to adoption and remove friction from on-boarding gamers and bilk them for cash. If this happens to cause some pain to ISPs then that's just collateral damage. Jared Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2019 From: "Adam Moffett" To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Nvidia Geforce Now I was just sitting here wondering what the reason is. Moving the graphics processing to the cloud meanswhat? I suppose you can play good games on crummy hardware. It's possible there's an energy savings in moving the computation to a data center where compute loads can be managed. Are those reasons really compelling enough to push that much stuff onto the network? What am I not seeing? -Adam On 3/27/2019, Ken Hohhof wrote: > Playing games on it show about 40-50Mbps on my system. Holy bandwidth, Batman! It used to be the most important things to life as we know it were electricity and water, and we were encouraged to conserve both of them. Not just encouraged, mandated. Don’t get caught with an incandescent bulb or a 3 gallon toilet. Now it seems everyone is telling us the Internet is the most important thing (and don’t forget 5G). It is a national emergency to get everyone faster and faster Internet. Yet we are encouraged to do the equivalent of leaving the lights on and the water running when we’re not home. If someone suggested ways to conserve Internet bandwidth, he would be laughed at. So don’t use a game console, use one somewhere else and stream 40-50 Mbps of video over the Internet to your screen. Maybe get your 3 kids to join the game, each with their own 40-50 Mbps stream. Just like all the people putting umpteen 1080p cameras around their house and then sitting in their living room watching them … over the Internet. Or streaming Fox News to every screen in the house so it’s always on as you walk from room to room … which was not wasteful when we used broadcast TV, but now each screen gets its own private stream over the Internet, even if it’s the same show. I suspect this will never change, there will be no bandwidth conservation movement, we will just keep using more and more and more. That convinces me we need fiber not 5G, but apparently I’m wrong. From: AF On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2019 11:24 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: [AFMUG] Nvidia Geforce Now Just got accepted to the general beta for the new Geforce Now system. Playing games on it show about 40-50Mbps on my system. Works ok, some games playable but not as good as gaming native. This is the new era stuff, basically RDP/VM gaming remotely transmitting graphics to your local screen. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Nvidia Geforce Now
Yeah, everything is a subscription now. Because why settle for a one-time sale when you can get a perpetual revenue stream. I guess they want to capture the mobile device market. Plus make games more like videos, where you can just rent titles rather than make the decision to buy one. Does this really make it possible to play a high end game on a phone? And if so, wouldn’t it run the battery down pretty fast? From: AF On Behalf Of Mathew Howard Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2019 9:59 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Nvidia Geforce Now Well, I imagine, the longterm goal is that instead of needing to convince somebody to buy a $1000 PC, or even a $400 game console and $60 for every game, you can sell them a $50 box, that they might already have, and charge them a subscription fee. On Wed, Mar 27, 2019 at 9:38 AM Adam Moffett mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> > wrote: I was just sitting here wondering what the reason is. Moving the graphics processing to the cloud meanswhat? I suppose you can play good games on crummy hardware. It's possible there's an energy savings in moving the computation to a data center where compute loads can be managed. Are those reasons really compelling enough to push that much stuff onto the network? What am I not seeing? -Adam On 3/27/2019 10:04 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: > Playing games on it show about 40-50Mbps on my system. Holy bandwidth, Batman! It used to be the most important things to life as we know it were electricity and water, and we were encouraged to conserve both of them. Not just encouraged, mandated. Don’t get caught with an incandescent bulb or a 3 gallon toilet. Now it seems everyone is telling us the Internet is the most important thing (and don’t forget 5G). It is a national emergency to get everyone faster and faster Internet. Yet we are encouraged to do the equivalent of leaving the lights on and the water running when we’re not home. If someone suggested ways to conserve Internet bandwidth, he would be laughed at. So don’t use a game console, use one somewhere else and stream 40-50 Mbps of video over the Internet to your screen. Maybe get your 3 kids to join the game, each with their own 40-50 Mbps stream. Just like all the people putting umpteen 1080p cameras around their house and then sitting in their living room watching them … over the Internet. Or streaming Fox News to every screen in the house so it’s always on as you walk from room to room … which was not wasteful when we used broadcast TV, but now each screen gets its own private stream over the Internet, even if it’s the same show. I suspect this will never change, there will be no bandwidth conservation movement, we will just keep using more and more and more. That convinces me we need fiber not 5G, but apparently I’m wrong. From: AF <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2019 11:24 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> Subject: [AFMUG] Nvidia Geforce Now Just got accepted to the general beta for the new Geforce Now system. Playing games on it show about 40-50Mbps on my system. Works ok, some games playable but not as good as gaming native. This is the new era stuff, basically RDP/VM gaming remotely transmitting graphics to your local screen. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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When the hardware has idle seconds in the cloud they can mine cryptocurrency! > On Mar 27, 2019, at 8:37 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: > > I was just sitting here wondering what the reason is. Moving the graphics > processing to the cloud meanswhat? > > I suppose you can play good games on crummy hardware. > It's possible there's an energy savings in moving the computation to a data > center where compute loads can be managed. > > Are those reasons really compelling enough to push that much stuff onto the > network? What am I not seeing? > > -Adam > > > On 3/27/2019 10:04 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: >> > Playing games on it show about 40-50Mbps on my system. >> >> Holy bandwidth, Batman! >> >> It used to be the most important things to life as we know it were >> electricity and water, and we were encouraged to conserve both of them. Not >> just encouraged, mandated. Don’t get caught with an incandescent bulb or a >> 3 gallon toilet. >> >> Now it seems everyone is telling us the Internet is the most important thing >> (and don’t forget 5G). It is a national emergency to get everyone faster >> and faster Internet. Yet we are encouraged to do the equivalent of leaving >> the lights on and the water running when we’re not home. If someone >> suggested ways to conserve Internet bandwidth, he would be laughed at. So >> don’t use a game console, use one somewhere else and stream 40-50 Mbps of >> video over the Internet to your screen. Maybe get your 3 kids to join the >> game, each with their own 40-50 Mbps stream. Just like all the people >> putting umpteen 1080p cameras around their house and then sitting in their >> living room watching them … over the Internet. Or streaming Fox News to >> every screen in the house so it’s always on as you walk from room to room … >> which was not wasteful when we used broadcast TV, but now each screen gets >> its own private stream over the Internet, even if it’s the same show. >> >> I suspect this will never change, there will be no bandwidth conservation >> movement, we will just keep using more and more and more. That convinces me >> we need fiber not 5G, but apparently I’m wrong. >> >> >> From: AF <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On >> Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson >> Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2019 11:24 PM >> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >> <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >> Subject: [AFMUG] Nvidia Geforce Now >> >> Just got accepted to the general beta for the new Geforce Now system. >> >> Playing games on it show about 40-50Mbps on my system. >> >> Works ok, some games playable but not as good as gaming native. >> >> This is the new era stuff, basically RDP/VM gaming remotely transmitting >> graphics to your local screen. >> >> > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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Well, I imagine, the longterm goal is that instead of needing to convince somebody to buy a $1000 PC, or even a $400 game console and $60 for every game, you can sell them a $50 box, that they might already have, and charge them a subscription fee. On Wed, Mar 27, 2019 at 9:38 AM Adam Moffett wrote: > I was just sitting here wondering what the reason is. Moving the graphics > processing to the cloud meanswhat? > > I suppose you can play good games on crummy hardware. > It's possible there's an energy savings in moving the computation to a > data center where compute loads can be managed. > > Are those reasons really compelling enough to push that much stuff onto > the network? What am I not seeing? > > -Adam > > > On 3/27/2019 10:04 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: > > > Playing games on it show about 40-50Mbps on my system. > > > > Holy bandwidth, Batman! > > > > It used to be the most important things to life as we know it were > electricity and water, and we were encouraged to conserve both of them. > Not just encouraged, mandated. Don’t get caught with an incandescent bulb > or a 3 gallon toilet. > > > > Now it seems everyone is telling us the Internet is the most important > thing (and don’t forget 5G). It is a national emergency to get everyone > faster and faster Internet. Yet we are encouraged to do the equivalent of > leaving the lights on and the water running when we’re not home. If > someone suggested ways to conserve Internet bandwidth, he would be laughed > at. So don’t use a game console, use one somewhere else and stream 40-50 > Mbps of video over the Internet to your screen. Maybe get your 3 kids to > join the game, each with their own 40-50 Mbps stream. Just like all the > people putting umpteen 1080p cameras around their house and then sitting in > their living room watching them … over the Internet. Or streaming Fox News > to every screen in the house so it’s always on as you walk from room to > room … which was not wasteful when we used broadcast TV, but now each > screen gets its own private stream over the Internet, even if it’s the same > show. > > > > I suspect this will never change, there will be no bandwidth conservation > movement, we will just keep using more and more and more. That convinces > me we need fiber not 5G, but apparently I’m wrong. > > > > > > *From:* AF *On Behalf > Of *Sterling Jacobson > *Sent:* Tuesday, March 26, 2019 11:24 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* [AFMUG] Nvidia Geforce Now > > > > Just got accepted to the general beta for the new Geforce Now system. > > > > Playing games on it show about 40-50Mbps on my system. > > > > Works ok, some games playable but not as good as gaming native. > > > > This is the new era stuff, basically RDP/VM gaming remotely transmitting > graphics to your local screen. > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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On 3/27/19 7:42 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: I am seeing opportunity for selling premium fiber service. I dunno about that. People that can't necessarily afford to spend money on hardware that would be attracted to a low cost thin client probably can't justify a lot on internet, either. Then again some people I know who are just living paycheck to paycheck spend way too much money on cable TV. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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I am seeing opportunity for selling premium fiber service. From: Adam Moffett Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2019 8:37 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Nvidia Geforce Now I was just sitting here wondering what the reason is. Moving the graphics processing to the cloud meanswhat? I suppose you can play good games on crummy hardware. It's possible there's an energy savings in moving the computation to a data center where compute loads can be managed. Are those reasons really compelling enough to push that much stuff onto the network? What am I not seeing? -Adam On 3/27/2019 10:04 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: > Playing games on it show about 40-50Mbps on my system. Holy bandwidth, Batman! It used to be the most important things to life as we know it were electricity and water, and we were encouraged to conserve both of them. Not just encouraged, mandated. Don’t get caught with an incandescent bulb or a 3 gallon toilet. Now it seems everyone is telling us the Internet is the most important thing (and don’t forget 5G). It is a national emergency to get everyone faster and faster Internet. Yet we are encouraged to do the equivalent of leaving the lights on and the water running when we’re not home. If someone suggested ways to conserve Internet bandwidth, he would be laughed at. So don’t use a game console, use one somewhere else and stream 40-50 Mbps of video over the Internet to your screen. Maybe get your 3 kids to join the game, each with their own 40-50 Mbps stream. Just like all the people putting umpteen 1080p cameras around their house and then sitting in their living room watching them … over the Internet. Or streaming Fox News to every screen in the house so it’s always on as you walk from room to room … which was not wasteful when we used broadcast TV, but now each screen gets its own private stream over the Internet, even if it’s the same show. I suspect this will never change, there will be no bandwidth conservation movement, we will just keep using more and more and more. That convinces me we need fiber not 5G, but apparently I’m wrong. From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2019 11:24 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Nvidia Geforce Now Just got accepted to the general beta for the new Geforce Now system. Playing games on it show about 40-50Mbps on my system. Works ok, some games playable but not as good as gaming native. This is the new era stuff, basically RDP/VM gaming remotely transmitting graphics to your local screen. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Nvidia Geforce Now
I was just sitting here wondering what the reason is. Moving the graphics processing to the cloud meanswhat? I suppose you can play good games on crummy hardware. It's possible there's an energy savings in moving the computation to a data center where compute loads can be managed. Are those reasons really compelling enough to push that much stuff onto the network? What am I not seeing? -Adam On 3/27/2019 10:04 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: > Playing games on it show about 40-50Mbps on my system. Holy bandwidth, Batman! It used to be the most important things to life as we know it were electricity and water, and we were encouraged to conserve both of them. Not just encouraged, mandated. Don’t get caught with an incandescent bulb or a 3 gallon toilet. Now it seems everyone is telling us the Internet is the most important thing (and don’t forget 5G). It is a national emergency to get everyone faster and faster Internet. Yet we are encouraged to do the equivalent of leaving the lights on and the water running when we’re not home. If someone suggested ways to conserve Internet bandwidth, he would be laughed at. So don’t use a game console, use one somewhere else and stream 40-50 Mbps of video over the Internet to your screen. Maybe get your 3 kids to join the game, each with their own 40-50 Mbps stream. Just like all the people putting umpteen 1080p cameras around their house and then sitting in their living room watching them … over the Internet. Or streaming Fox News to every screen in the house so it’s always on as you walk from room to room … which was not wasteful when we used broadcast TV, but now each screen gets its own private stream over the Internet, even if it’s the same show. I suspect this will never change, there will be no bandwidth conservation movement, we will just keep using more and more and more. That convinces me we need fiber not 5G, but apparently I’m wrong. *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Sterling Jacobson *Sent:* Tuesday, March 26, 2019 11:24 PM *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group *Subject:* [AFMUG] Nvidia Geforce Now Just got accepted to the general beta for the new Geforce Now system. Playing games on it show about 40-50Mbps on my system. Works ok, some games playable but not as good as gaming native. This is the new era stuff, basically RDP/VM gaming remotely transmitting graphics to your local screen. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Nvidia Geforce Now
But didn't you hear? 5G is a replacement for hard wired Internet connections. On Wednesday, March 27, 2019, Ken Hohhof wrote: > > Playing games on it show about 40-50Mbps on my system. > > > > Holy bandwidth, Batman! > > > > It used to be the most important things to life as we know it were > electricity and water, and we were encouraged to conserve both of them. > Not just encouraged, mandated. Don’t get caught with an incandescent bulb > or a 3 gallon toilet. > > > > Now it seems everyone is telling us the Internet is the most important > thing (and don’t forget 5G). It is a national emergency to get everyone > faster and faster Internet. Yet we are encouraged to do the equivalent of > leaving the lights on and the water running when we’re not home. If > someone suggested ways to conserve Internet bandwidth, he would be laughed > at. So don’t use a game console, use one somewhere else and stream 40-50 > Mbps of video over the Internet to your screen. Maybe get your 3 kids to > join the game, each with their own 40-50 Mbps stream. Just like all the > people putting umpteen 1080p cameras around their house and then sitting in > their living room watching them … over the Internet. Or streaming Fox News > to every screen in the house so it’s always on as you walk from room to > room … which was not wasteful when we used broadcast TV, but now each > screen gets its own private stream over the Internet, even if it’s the same > show. > > > > I suspect this will never change, there will be no bandwidth conservation > movement, we will just keep using more and more and more. That convinces > me we need fiber not 5G, but apparently I’m wrong. > > > > > > *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Sterling Jacobson > *Sent:* Tuesday, March 26, 2019 11:24 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* [AFMUG] Nvidia Geforce Now > > > > Just got accepted to the general beta for the new Geforce Now system. > > > > Playing games on it show about 40-50Mbps on my system. > > > > Works ok, some games playable but not as good as gaming native. > > > > This is the new era stuff, basically RDP/VM gaming remotely transmitting > graphics to your local screen. > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Nvidia Geforce Now
> Playing games on it show about 40-50Mbps on my system. Holy bandwidth, Batman! It used to be the most important things to life as we know it were electricity and water, and we were encouraged to conserve both of them. Not just encouraged, mandated. Don't get caught with an incandescent bulb or a 3 gallon toilet. Now it seems everyone is telling us the Internet is the most important thing (and don't forget 5G). It is a national emergency to get everyone faster and faster Internet. Yet we are encouraged to do the equivalent of leaving the lights on and the water running when we're not home. If someone suggested ways to conserve Internet bandwidth, he would be laughed at. So don't use a game console, use one somewhere else and stream 40-50 Mbps of video over the Internet to your screen. Maybe get your 3 kids to join the game, each with their own 40-50 Mbps stream. Just like all the people putting umpteen 1080p cameras around their house and then sitting in their living room watching them . over the Internet. Or streaming Fox News to every screen in the house so it's always on as you walk from room to room . which was not wasteful when we used broadcast TV, but now each screen gets its own private stream over the Internet, even if it's the same show. I suspect this will never change, there will be no bandwidth conservation movement, we will just keep using more and more and more. That convinces me we need fiber not 5G, but apparently I'm wrong. From: AF On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2019 11:24 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: [AFMUG] Nvidia Geforce Now Just got accepted to the general beta for the new Geforce Now system. Playing games on it show about 40-50Mbps on my system. Works ok, some games playable but not as good as gaming native. This is the new era stuff, basically RDP/VM gaming remotely transmitting graphics to your local screen. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
[AFMUG] Nvidia Geforce Now
Just got accepted to the general beta for the new Geforce Now system. Playing games on it show about 40-50Mbps on my system. Works ok, some games playable but not as good as gaming native. This is the new era stuff, basically RDP/VM gaming remotely transmitting graphics to your local screen. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
