Re: [AFMUG] OT: external keyboards and mice
Toughbooks and Thinkpads. It's an option on them and I buy used. Josh Luthman 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 9:51 AM Matt Hoppes < mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote: > What laptops are you buying that they don’t have blue tooth? > > On Oct 12, 2020, at 9:38 AM, Josh Luthman > wrote: > > > Proprietary works better than Bluetooth for sure. It's more likely to > have a USB port on your laptop than Bluetooth, too. > > Josh Luthman > 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > > On Sun, Oct 11, 2020 at 4:16 PM Mathew Howard > wrote: > >> Yeah, it really isn't that hard to find Bluetooth mice, but in >> experience, it's true that they don't work as well as the proprietary >> stuff... Which is probably why those are more common. >> >> On Sun, Oct 11, 2020, 1:13 PM Ken Hohhof wrote: >> >>> Maybe in-store, but without even going to amazon.com or bestbuy.com, if >>> I search staples.com for Bluetooth mouse there are tons for free >>> delivery Oct. 13. >>> >>> >>> >>> Let’s face it, how many people walk into a store these days looking for >>> a mouse, Bluetooth or not? Remember when we used to give out logo >>> mousepads? Back when we had AOL signup disks and personal websites were on >>> Geocities. Stores are not going to stock something they only sell one of >>> per month, not when you can order it online and get it next day. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Matt Hoppes >>> *Sent:* Sunday, October 11, 2020 11:36 AM >>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: external keyboards and mice >>> >>> >>> >>> Yes. BT mice are very hard to find. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Oct 11, 2020, at 12:34 PM, TJ Trout wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> do you ever shop on the internet? >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Oct 11, 2020 at 8:56 AM Matt Hoppes < >>> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote: >>> >>> We have this cool protocol built into pretty much every laptop, new >>> desktop and mobile devices called BlueTooth. >>> >>> Why does every keyboard and mouse manufacturer see fit to make their >>> device only work with their proprietary wireless dongle? >>> >>> You used to be able to find Bluetooth mice. Lately in the last few years >>> they seem to be like hen’s teeth. >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> AF@af.afmug.com >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> AF@af.afmug.com >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> AF@af.afmug.com >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] OT: external keyboards and mice
What laptops are you buying that they don’t have blue tooth? > On Oct 12, 2020, at 9:38 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: > > > Proprietary works better than Bluetooth for sure. It's more likely to have a > USB port on your laptop than Bluetooth, too. > > Josh Luthman > 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > >> On Sun, Oct 11, 2020 at 4:16 PM Mathew Howard wrote: >> Yeah, it really isn't that hard to find Bluetooth mice, but in experience, >> it's true that they don't work as well as the proprietary stuff... Which is >> probably why those are more common. >> >>> On Sun, Oct 11, 2020, 1:13 PM Ken Hohhof wrote: >>> Maybe in-store, but without even going to amazon.com or bestbuy.com, if I >>> search staples.com for Bluetooth mouse there are tons for free delivery >>> Oct. 13. >>> >>> >>> >>> Let’s face it, how many people walk into a store these days looking for a >>> mouse, Bluetooth or not? Remember when we used to give out logo mousepads? >>> Back when we had AOL signup disks and personal websites were on Geocities. >>> Stores are not going to stock something they only sell one of per month, >>> not when you can order it online and get it next day. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> From: AF On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes >>> Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2020 11:36 AM >>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: external keyboards and mice >>> >>> >>> >>> Yes. BT mice are very hard to find. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Oct 11, 2020, at 12:34 PM, TJ Trout wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> do you ever shop on the internet? >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Oct 11, 2020 at 8:56 AM Matt Hoppes >>> wrote: >>> >>> We have this cool protocol built into pretty much every laptop, new desktop >>> and mobile devices called BlueTooth. >>> >>> Why does every keyboard and mouse manufacturer see fit to make their device >>> only work with their proprietary wireless dongle? >>> >>> You used to be able to find Bluetooth mice. Lately in the last few years >>> they seem to be like hen’s teeth. >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> AF@af.afmug.com >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> AF@af.afmug.com >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> AF@af.afmug.com >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] OT: external keyboards and mice
Proprietary works better than Bluetooth for sure. It's more likely to have a USB port on your laptop than Bluetooth, too. Josh Luthman 24/7 Help Desk: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Sun, Oct 11, 2020 at 4:16 PM Mathew Howard wrote: > Yeah, it really isn't that hard to find Bluetooth mice, but in experience, > it's true that they don't work as well as the proprietary stuff... Which is > probably why those are more common. > > On Sun, Oct 11, 2020, 1:13 PM Ken Hohhof wrote: > >> Maybe in-store, but without even going to amazon.com or bestbuy.com, if >> I search staples.com for Bluetooth mouse there are tons for free >> delivery Oct. 13. >> >> >> >> Let’s face it, how many people walk into a store these days looking for a >> mouse, Bluetooth or not? Remember when we used to give out logo >> mousepads? Back when we had AOL signup disks and personal websites were on >> Geocities. Stores are not going to stock something they only sell one of >> per month, not when you can order it online and get it next day. >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Matt Hoppes >> *Sent:* Sunday, October 11, 2020 11:36 AM >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: external keyboards and mice >> >> >> >> Yes. BT mice are very hard to find. >> >> >> >> On Oct 11, 2020, at 12:34 PM, TJ Trout wrote: >> >> >> >> do you ever shop on the internet? >> >> >> >> On Sun, Oct 11, 2020 at 8:56 AM Matt Hoppes < >> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote: >> >> We have this cool protocol built into pretty much every laptop, new >> desktop and mobile devices called BlueTooth. >> >> Why does every keyboard and mouse manufacturer see fit to make their >> device only work with their proprietary wireless dongle? >> >> You used to be able to find Bluetooth mice. Lately in the last few years >> they seem to be like hen’s teeth. >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] OT: external keyboards and mice
Yeah, it really isn't that hard to find Bluetooth mice, but in experience, it's true that they don't work as well as the proprietary stuff... Which is probably why those are more common. On Sun, Oct 11, 2020, 1:13 PM Ken Hohhof wrote: > Maybe in-store, but without even going to amazon.com or bestbuy.com, if I > search staples.com for Bluetooth mouse there are tons for free delivery > Oct. 13. > > > > Let’s face it, how many people walk into a store these days looking for a > mouse, Bluetooth or not? Remember when we used to give out logo > mousepads? Back when we had AOL signup disks and personal websites were on > Geocities. Stores are not going to stock something they only sell one of > per month, not when you can order it online and get it next day. > > > > > > *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Matt Hoppes > *Sent:* Sunday, October 11, 2020 11:36 AM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: external keyboards and mice > > > > Yes. BT mice are very hard to find. > > > > On Oct 11, 2020, at 12:34 PM, TJ Trout wrote: > > > > do you ever shop on the internet? > > > > On Sun, Oct 11, 2020 at 8:56 AM Matt Hoppes < > mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote: > > We have this cool protocol built into pretty much every laptop, new > desktop and mobile devices called BlueTooth. > > Why does every keyboard and mouse manufacturer see fit to make their > device only work with their proprietary wireless dongle? > > You used to be able to find Bluetooth mice. Lately in the last few years > they seem to be like hen’s teeth. > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] OT: external keyboards and mice
I’ve never had an issue with my MX Bluetooth mice. Every one of my staff has a mouse on their desk, even though they all have laptops. I personally just use the trackpad, but I’ll admit a mouse is easier to use. > On Oct 11, 2020, at 2:13 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: > > > Maybe in-store, but without even going to amazon.com or bestbuy.com, if I > search staples.com for Bluetooth mouse there are tons for free delivery Oct. > 13. > > Let’s face it, how many people walk into a store these days looking for a > mouse, Bluetooth or not? Remember when we used to give out logo mousepads? > Back when we had AOL signup disks and personal websites were on Geocities. > Stores are not going to stock something they only sell one of per month, not > when you can order it online and get it next day. > > > From: AF On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes > Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2020 11:36 AM > To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: external keyboards and mice > > Yes. BT mice are very hard to find. > > > On Oct 11, 2020, at 12:34 PM, TJ Trout wrote: > > > do you ever shop on the internet? > > On Sun, Oct 11, 2020 at 8:56 AM Matt Hoppes > wrote: > We have this cool protocol built into pretty much every laptop, new desktop > and mobile devices called BlueTooth. > > Why does every keyboard and mouse manufacturer see fit to make their device > only work with their proprietary wireless dongle? > > You used to be able to find Bluetooth mice. Lately in the last few years they > seem to be like hen’s teeth. > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] OT: external keyboards and mice
Maybe in-store, but without even going to amazon.com or bestbuy.com, if I search staples.com for Bluetooth mouse there are tons for free delivery Oct. 13. Let’s face it, how many people walk into a store these days looking for a mouse, Bluetooth or not? Remember when we used to give out logo mousepads? Back when we had AOL signup disks and personal websites were on Geocities. Stores are not going to stock something they only sell one of per month, not when you can order it online and get it next day. From: AF On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2020 11:36 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: external keyboards and mice Yes. BT mice are very hard to find. On Oct 11, 2020, at 12:34 PM, TJ Trout mailto:t...@voltbb.com> > wrote: do you ever shop on the internet? On Sun, Oct 11, 2020 at 8:56 AM Matt Hoppes mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> > wrote: We have this cool protocol built into pretty much every laptop, new desktop and mobile devices called BlueTooth. Why does every keyboard and mouse manufacturer see fit to make their device only work with their proprietary wireless dongle? You used to be able to find Bluetooth mice. Lately in the last few years they seem to be like hen’s teeth. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] OT: external keyboards and mice
It's the wireless protocol. Bluetooth doesn't do very good with latency which is why you'll see lots of weird blips with a mouse. Logitech developing a custom protocol helps them prioritize latency over anything else so your mouse is super smooth. On Sun, Oct 11, 2020 at 9:37 AM Matt Hoppes < mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote: > Yes. BT mice are very hard to find. > > On Oct 11, 2020, at 12:34 PM, TJ Trout wrote: > > > do you ever shop on the internet? > > On Sun, Oct 11, 2020 at 8:56 AM Matt Hoppes < > mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote: > >> We have this cool protocol built into pretty much every laptop, new >> desktop and mobile devices called BlueTooth. >> >> Why does every keyboard and mouse manufacturer see fit to make their >> device only work with their proprietary wireless dongle? >> >> You used to be able to find Bluetooth mice. Lately in the last few years >> they seem to be like hen’s teeth. >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] OT: external keyboards and mice
Yes. BT mice are very hard to find. > On Oct 11, 2020, at 12:34 PM, TJ Trout wrote: > > > do you ever shop on the internet? > >> On Sun, Oct 11, 2020 at 8:56 AM Matt Hoppes >> wrote: >> We have this cool protocol built into pretty much every laptop, new desktop >> and mobile devices called BlueTooth. >> >> Why does every keyboard and mouse manufacturer see fit to make their device >> only work with their proprietary wireless dongle? >> >> You used to be able to find Bluetooth mice. Lately in the last few years >> they seem to be like hen’s teeth. >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] OT: external keyboards and mice
do you ever shop on the internet? On Sun, Oct 11, 2020 at 8:56 AM Matt Hoppes < mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote: > We have this cool protocol built into pretty much every laptop, new > desktop and mobile devices called BlueTooth. > > Why does every keyboard and mouse manufacturer see fit to make their > device only work with their proprietary wireless dongle? > > You used to be able to find Bluetooth mice. Lately in the last few years > they seem to be like hen’s teeth. > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] OT: external keyboards and mice
Maybe it's the Microsoft Bluetooth Mobile Mouse 3600 I use from time to time, but I have extreme problems with the mouse becoming jerky if my laptop is on 2.4 GHz WiFi. I think I've seen this before too, since Bluetooth uses 2.4 GHz, it doesn't seem to coexist well with WiFi. You'd think the proprietary wireless USB thingies would have the same problem, but I haven't seen it. There was a review a few days ago of a new Logitech compact mouse that said it was available in corded, Bluetooth or proprietary wireless. I have an older Logitech corded mouse and it's awesome. https://www.theverge.com/21453387/logitech-mx-anywhere-3-review-compact-mouse There's also an MX Keys keyboard that says it supports Bluetooth. -Original Message- From: AF On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2020 10:56 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] OT: external keyboards and mice We have this cool protocol built into pretty much every laptop, new desktop and mobile devices called BlueTooth. Why does every keyboard and mouse manufacturer see fit to make their device only work with their proprietary wireless dongle? You used to be able to find Bluetooth mice. Lately in the last few years they seem to be like hen’s teeth. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
[AFMUG] OT: external keyboards and mice
We have this cool protocol built into pretty much every laptop, new desktop and mobile devices called BlueTooth. Why does every keyboard and mouse manufacturer see fit to make their device only work with their proprietary wireless dongle? You used to be able to find Bluetooth mice. Lately in the last few years they seem to be like hen’s teeth. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
