Re: [AFMUG] OT Hanoi talkies
Thanks, hopefully this band will work well for my crews. Nice to be legal. Or legalish... Normally for drilling and pulling fiber. Probably not over a mile. Been a while since I used 2 meter simplex but as I recall this should not be a problem. From: George Skorup Sent: Friday, May 17, 2019 11:42 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Hanoi talkies No license. 151.82, 151.88, 151.94 were taken from the old business-band color/dot system. 11.25khz FM narrow only today. 154.57 and 154.6 are allowed 20khz bandwidth, but still FM narrow for voice (not the full 25khz and FM wide at 5khz deviation). Those two are more or less for telemetry and remote control, but that's not a "rule" of the service. Stick to FM-N and 11.25k bandwidth on all 5 frequencies and nobody will care if you're not being a jackass when you key up. On 5/17/2019 12:09 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: So, as long as I use the MURS VHF frequencies, no license is needed? From: Brian Webster Sent: Friday, May 17, 2019 8:23 AM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Hanoi talkies The cheap HT’s will program up on those channels just fine. Watch the per channel requirements. In MURS there are I think two wideband channels and three narrow band. The radios have settings for narrow or wide. If you are going to be using these for job site specific work all over the MURS is the way to go to stay legal. Nice thing is the radios you purchased will work for both GMRS and MURS. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup Sent: Friday, May 17, 2019 12:22 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Hanoi talkies Any FCC ID on the back of the radios under the battery? Search that to see what they were certified for. You might not find anything if they're marketed to hams (saves China money on the labs and certs). In reality, who will know and who will care what model radios you're using? Just sayin' (not endorsing). I did our Part 90 601 a few years ago in about an hour and the $260 or whatever it was at the time. WQYC725 if you want to look it up. The cheap $15-20 Baofeng 888's or whatever they're called for the field guys. You just throw them away when they fall apart. The other option would be MURS. Falls under Part 95 like GMRS, but no license is required. FM-N voice only. Think of it like VHF-FM citizens band w/ 2-watts output into gain antennas. It's pretty much dead quiet on all 5 channels around me, except for some bursts of telemetry once in a while. But there's that Part 95 certified device requirement. I see businesses using the Baofengs and similar on MURS all the time, so again... who knows/cares. On 5/16/2019 8:57 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: Can I use these cheap HTs on these frequencies? From: George Skorup Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2019 7:35 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Hanoi talkies Part 90 business itinerant allows you to do FM-Narrow and/or digital voice+data (including encryption) across the lower 48 for practically nothing for 10 years. There are 8 VHF and 8 UHF shared frequencies. Do the form 601 yourself and pay the FCC. No coordination required. No GMRS licensing nonsense for employees. On 5/16/2019 3:16 PM, Bill Prince wrote: On our community emergency list I think all the people with call signs use them. At least intermittently. There are a few people who don't use their call signs. Nobody asks. bp On 5/16/2019 11:47 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: I am gonna try a pair of Baofengs and a pair of the Retevis and see how my guys like them. I got a license so that will cover family. I guess I will claim the guys are adopted if we get busted. Will probably buy them licenses as time goes on. Does anyone really use their callsigns in a legal manner on GMRS? My wife and I are used to it being hams for decades but not sure how well it will go over with the guys. I guess telling them it is a $25K and 10 years penalty might get them to do it. Seems silly. From: Lewis Bergman Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2019 7:10 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Hanoi talkies I would be careful about any of the Chinese radios. I don't know anything about Ham stuff and they may meet that are off rules. I know a few of the people that head up licensing agencies and they say many, like Baofung, violate FCC rules. Those rules may not apply to you though so take that for what it is worth. On Tue, May 7, 2019, 12:15 PM Bill Prince mailto:part15...@gmail.com wrote: We use the Baofeng UV-5R with a 15" whip. Using the available programming software makes them
Re: [AFMUG] OT Hanoi talkies
No license. 151.82, 151.88, 151.94 were taken from the old business-band
color/dot system. 11.25khz FM narrow only today. 154.57 and 154.6 are
allowed 20khz bandwidth, but still FM narrow for voice (not the full
25khz and FM wide at 5khz deviation). Those two are more or less for
telemetry and remote control, but that's not a "rule" of the service.
Stick to FM-N and 11.25k bandwidth on all 5 frequencies and nobody will
care if you're not being a jackass when you key up.
On 5/17/2019 12:09 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
So, as long as I use the MURS VHF frequencies, no license is needed?
*From:* Brian Webster
*Sent:* Friday, May 17, 2019 8:23 AM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Hanoi talkies
The cheap HT’s will program up on those channels just fine. Watch the
per channel requirements. In MURS there are I think two wideband
channels and three narrow band. The radios have settings for narrow or
wide. If you are going to be using these for job site specific work
all over the MURS is the way to go to stay legal. Nice thing is the
radios you purchased will work for both GMRS and MURS.
Thank You,
Brian Webster
www.wirelessmapping.com <http://www.wirelessmapping.com>
www.Broadband-Mapping.com
*From:*AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *George Skorup
*Sent:* Friday, May 17, 2019 12:22 AM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Hanoi talkies
Any FCC ID on the back of the radios under the battery? Search that to
see what they were certified for. You might not find anything if
they're marketed to hams (saves China money on the labs and certs). In
reality, who will know and who will care what model radios you're
using? Just sayin' (not endorsing).
I did our Part 90 601 a few years ago in about an hour and the $260 or
whatever it was at the time. WQYC725 if you want to look it up. The
cheap $15-20 Baofeng 888's or whatever they're called for the field
guys. You just throw them away when they fall apart.
The other option would be MURS. Falls under Part 95 like GMRS, but no
license is required. FM-N voice only. Think of it like VHF-FM citizens
band w/ 2-watts output into gain antennas. It's pretty much dead quiet
on all 5 channels around me, except for some bursts of telemetry once
in a while. But there's that Part 95 certified device requirement. I
see businesses using the Baofengs and similar on MURS all the time, so
again... who knows/cares.
On 5/16/2019 8:57 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Can I use these cheap HTs on these frequencies?
*From:*George Skorup
*Sent:*Thursday, May 16, 2019 7:35 PM
*To:*af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT Hanoi talkies
Part 90 business itinerant allows you to do FM-Narrow and/or
digital voice+data (including encryption) across the lower 48 for
practically nothing for 10 years. There are 8 VHF and 8 UHF shared
frequencies. Do the form 601 yourself and pay the FCC. No
coordination required. No GMRS licensing nonsense for employees.
On 5/16/2019 3:16 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
On our community emergency list I think all the people with
call signs use them. At least intermittently. There are a few
people who don't use their call signs. Nobody asks.
bp
On 5/16/2019 11:47 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
I am gonna try a pair of Baofengs and a pair of the
Retevis and see how my guys like them. I got a license so
that will cover family. I guess I will claim the guys are
adopted if we get busted. Will probably buy them licenses
as time goes on.
Does anyone really use their callsigns in a legal manner
on GMRS? My wife and I are used to it being hams for
decades but not sure how well it will go over with the
guys. I guess telling them it is a $25K and 10 years
penalty might get them to do it. Seems silly.
*From:*Lewis Bergman
*Sent:*Tuesday, May 7, 2019 7:10 PM
*To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT Hanoi talkies
I would be careful about any of the Chinese radios. I
don't know anything about Ham stuff and they may meet that
are off rules. I know a few of the people that head up
licensing agencies and they say many, like Baofung,
violate FCC rules. Those rules may not apply to you though
so take that for what it is worth.
On Tue, May 7, 2019, 12:15 PM Bill Prince
wrote:
We use the Baofeng UV-5R with a 15" whip. Using the
available programming software makes them relatively
easy to set up. We ran a radio drill this last weekend
through our new repeater, and everything seemed to
work pretty well. I've go
Re: [AFMUG] OT Hanoi talkies
So, as long as I use the MURS VHF frequencies, no license is needed? From: Brian Webster Sent: Friday, May 17, 2019 8:23 AM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Hanoi talkies The cheap HT’s will program up on those channels just fine. Watch the per channel requirements. In MURS there are I think two wideband channels and three narrow band. The radios have settings for narrow or wide. If you are going to be using these for job site specific work all over the MURS is the way to go to stay legal. Nice thing is the radios you purchased will work for both GMRS and MURS. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup Sent: Friday, May 17, 2019 12:22 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Hanoi talkies Any FCC ID on the back of the radios under the battery? Search that to see what they were certified for. You might not find anything if they're marketed to hams (saves China money on the labs and certs). In reality, who will know and who will care what model radios you're using? Just sayin' (not endorsing). I did our Part 90 601 a few years ago in about an hour and the $260 or whatever it was at the time. WQYC725 if you want to look it up. The cheap $15-20 Baofeng 888's or whatever they're called for the field guys. You just throw them away when they fall apart. The other option would be MURS. Falls under Part 95 like GMRS, but no license is required. FM-N voice only. Think of it like VHF-FM citizens band w/ 2-watts output into gain antennas. It's pretty much dead quiet on all 5 channels around me, except for some bursts of telemetry once in a while. But there's that Part 95 certified device requirement. I see businesses using the Baofengs and similar on MURS all the time, so again... who knows/cares. On 5/16/2019 8:57 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: Can I use these cheap HTs on these frequencies? From: George Skorup Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2019 7:35 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Hanoi talkies Part 90 business itinerant allows you to do FM-Narrow and/or digital voice+data (including encryption) across the lower 48 for practically nothing for 10 years. There are 8 VHF and 8 UHF shared frequencies. Do the form 601 yourself and pay the FCC. No coordination required. No GMRS licensing nonsense for employees. On 5/16/2019 3:16 PM, Bill Prince wrote: On our community emergency list I think all the people with call signs use them. At least intermittently. There are a few people who don't use their call signs. Nobody asks. bp On 5/16/2019 11:47 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: I am gonna try a pair of Baofengs and a pair of the Retevis and see how my guys like them. I got a license so that will cover family. I guess I will claim the guys are adopted if we get busted. Will probably buy them licenses as time goes on. Does anyone really use their callsigns in a legal manner on GMRS? My wife and I are used to it being hams for decades but not sure how well it will go over with the guys. I guess telling them it is a $25K and 10 years penalty might get them to do it. Seems silly. From: Lewis Bergman Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2019 7:10 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Hanoi talkies I would be careful about any of the Chinese radios. I don't know anything about Ham stuff and they may meet that are off rules. I know a few of the people that head up licensing agencies and they say many, like Baofung, violate FCC rules. Those rules may not apply to you though so take that for what it is worth. On Tue, May 7, 2019, 12:15 PM Bill Prince wrote: We use the Baofeng UV-5R with a 15" whip. Using the available programming software makes them relatively easy to set up. We ran a radio drill this last weekend through our new repeater, and everything seemed to work pretty well. I've got some concerns about the location the group picked for the repeater, but overall, not bad at all. bp On 5/6/2019 1:22 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: Baofeng are hard to program. They seem to work ok. Sent from my iPhone On May 6, 2019, at 2:09 PM, Brian Webster wrote: Technically you are supposed to only use radios on GMRS that have FCC type certification for GMRS service. Some will say that part 90 certified UHF radios are allowed to be used in GMRS, I recall that rule was only for radios that were certified part 90 before the part 95A (I think that’s the section for GMRS) was set up as a requirement. Now if you aren’t so concerned about that certification use these. I have quite a few various Chinese radios and I have never heard of this brand, so personally at that price I would go with a more
Re: [AFMUG] OT Hanoi talkies
The cheap HT’s will program up on those channels just fine. Watch the per channel requirements. In MURS there are I think two wideband channels and three narrow band. The radios have settings for narrow or wide. If you are going to be using these for job site specific work all over the MURS is the way to go to stay legal. Nice thing is the radios you purchased will work for both GMRS and MURS. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup Sent: Friday, May 17, 2019 12:22 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Hanoi talkies Any FCC ID on the back of the radios under the battery? Search that to see what they were certified for. You might not find anything if they're marketed to hams (saves China money on the labs and certs). In reality, who will know and who will care what model radios you're using? Just sayin' (not endorsing). I did our Part 90 601 a few years ago in about an hour and the $260 or whatever it was at the time. WQYC725 if you want to look it up. The cheap $15-20 Baofeng 888's or whatever they're called for the field guys. You just throw them away when they fall apart. The other option would be MURS. Falls under Part 95 like GMRS, but no license is required. FM-N voice only. Think of it like VHF-FM citizens band w/ 2-watts output into gain antennas. It's pretty much dead quiet on all 5 channels around me, except for some bursts of telemetry once in a while. But there's that Part 95 certified device requirement. I see businesses using the Baofengs and similar on MURS all the time, so again... who knows/cares. On 5/16/2019 8:57 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: Can I use these cheap HTs on these frequencies? From: George Skorup Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2019 7:35 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Hanoi talkies Part 90 business itinerant allows you to do FM-Narrow and/or digital voice+data (including encryption) across the lower 48 for practically nothing for 10 years. There are 8 VHF and 8 UHF shared frequencies. Do the form 601 yourself and pay the FCC. No coordination required. No GMRS licensing nonsense for employees. On 5/16/2019 3:16 PM, Bill Prince wrote: On our community emergency list I think all the people with call signs use them. At least intermittently. There are a few people who don't use their call signs. Nobody asks. bp On 5/16/2019 11:47 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: I am gonna try a pair of Baofengs and a pair of the Retevis and see how my guys like them. I got a license so that will cover family. I guess I will claim the guys are adopted if we get busted. Will probably buy them licenses as time goes on. Does anyone really use their callsigns in a legal manner on GMRS? My wife and I are used to it being hams for decades but not sure how well it will go over with the guys. I guess telling them it is a $25K and 10 years penalty might get them to do it. Seems silly. From: Lewis Bergman Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2019 7:10 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Hanoi talkies I would be careful about any of the Chinese radios. I don't know anything about Ham stuff and they may meet that are off rules. I know a few of the people that head up licensing agencies and they say many, like Baofung, violate FCC rules. Those rules may not apply to you though so take that for what it is worth. On Tue, May 7, 2019, 12:15 PM Bill Prince wrote: We use the Baofeng UV-5R with a 15" whip. Using the available programming software makes them relatively easy to set up. We ran a radio drill this last weekend through our new repeater, and everything seemed to work pretty well. I've got some concerns about the location the group picked for the repeater, but overall, not bad at all. bp On 5/6/2019 1:22 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: Baofeng are hard to program. They seem to work ok. Sent from my iPhone On May 6, 2019, at 2:09 PM, Brian Webster wrote: Technically you are supposed to only use radios on GMRS that have FCC type certification for GMRS service. Some will say that part 90 certified UHF radios are allowed to be used in GMRS, I recall that rule was only for radios that were certified part 90 before the part 95A (I think that’s the section for GMRS) was set up as a requirement. Now if you aren’t so concerned about that certification use these. I have quite a few various Chinese radios and I have never heard of this brand, so personally at that price I would go with a more known Chinese brand such as Baofeng or Woxoun. Since there are actually still wide band GMRS channels (not the splinter channels for portable to portable comms only), I would shop around for some real radios such as Motorola UHF portables that will be more durable. You should be able to get the old wide band versions cheap. Likely will need new batteries and
Re: [AFMUG] OT Hanoi talkies
Any FCC ID on the back of the radios under the battery? Search that to see what they were certified for. You might not find anything if they're marketed to hams (saves China money on the labs and certs). In reality, who will know and who will care what model radios you're using? Just sayin' (not endorsing). I did our Part 90 601 a few years ago in about an hour and the $260 or whatever it was at the time. WQYC725 if you want to look it up. The cheap $15-20 Baofeng 888's or whatever they're called for the field guys. You just throw them away when they fall apart. The other option would be MURS. Falls under Part 95 like GMRS, but no license is required. FM-N voice only. Think of it like VHF-FM citizens band w/ 2-watts output into gain antennas. It's pretty much dead quiet on all 5 channels around me, except for some bursts of telemetry once in a while. But there's that Part 95 certified device requirement. I see businesses using the Baofengs and similar on MURS all the time, so again... who knows/cares. On 5/16/2019 8:57 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: Can I use these cheap HTs on these frequencies? *From:* George Skorup *Sent:* Thursday, May 16, 2019 7:35 PM *To:* af@af.afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Hanoi talkies Part 90 business itinerant allows you to do FM-Narrow and/or digital voice+data (including encryption) across the lower 48 for practically nothing for 10 years. There are 8 VHF and 8 UHF shared frequencies. Do the form 601 yourself and pay the FCC. No coordination required. No GMRS licensing nonsense for employees. On 5/16/2019 3:16 PM, Bill Prince wrote: On our community emergency list I think all the people with call signs use them. At least intermittently. There are a few people who don't use their call signs. Nobody asks. bp On 5/16/2019 11:47 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: I am gonna try a pair of Baofengs and a pair of the Retevis and see how my guys like them. I got a license so that will cover family. I guess I will claim the guys are adopted if we get busted. Will probably buy them licenses as time goes on. Does anyone really use their callsigns in a legal manner on GMRS? My wife and I are used to it being hams for decades but not sure how well it will go over with the guys. I guess telling them it is a $25K and 10 years penalty might get them to do it. Seems silly. *From:* Lewis Bergman *Sent:* Tuesday, May 7, 2019 7:10 PM *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Hanoi talkies I would be careful about any of the Chinese radios. I don't know anything about Ham stuff and they may meet that are off rules. I know a few of the people that head up licensing agencies and they say many, like Baofung, violate FCC rules. Those rules may not apply to you though so take that for what it is worth. On Tue, May 7, 2019, 12:15 PM Bill Prince wrote: We use the Baofeng UV-5R with a 15" whip. Using the available programming software makes them relatively easy to set up. We ran a radio drill this last weekend through our new repeater, and everything seemed to work pretty well. I've got some concerns about the location the group picked for the repeater, but overall, not bad at all. bp On 5/6/2019 1:22 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: Baofeng are hard to program. They seem to work ok. Sent from my iPhone On May 6, 2019, at 2:09 PM, Brian Webster wrote: Technically you are supposed to only use radios on GMRS that have FCC type certification for GMRS service. Some will say that part 90 certified UHF radios are allowed to be used in GMRS, I recall that rule was only for radios that were certified part 90 before the part 95A (I think that’s the section for GMRS) was set up as a requirement. Now if you aren’t so concerned about that certification use these. I have quite a few various Chinese radios and I have never heard of this brand, so personally at that price I would go with a more known Chinese brand such as Baofeng or Woxoun. Since there are actually still wide band GMRS channels (not the splinter channels for portable to portable comms only), I would shop around for some real radios such as Motorola UHF portables that will be more durable. You should be able to get the old wide band versions cheap. Likely will need new batteries and maybe antennas but they should last. Commercial radio services are all narrow band now so wide band only radios are no longer legal in those services. Sometimes you can find a nice deal on a set in a gang charger. If you do look at any particular models ping me off list and I can let you know which models are good and bad to use. I can point you in the right direction for programming and such as well. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com <http://www.wirelessmapping.com> www.Broadband-Mapping.com <http://www.Broadba
Re: [AFMUG] OT Hanoi talkies
Can I use these cheap HTs on these frequencies? From: George Skorup Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2019 7:35 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Hanoi talkies Part 90 business itinerant allows you to do FM-Narrow and/or digital voice+data (including encryption) across the lower 48 for practically nothing for 10 years. There are 8 VHF and 8 UHF shared frequencies. Do the form 601 yourself and pay the FCC. No coordination required. No GMRS licensing nonsense for employees. On 5/16/2019 3:16 PM, Bill Prince wrote: On our community emergency list I think all the people with call signs use them. At least intermittently. There are a few people who don't use their call signs. Nobody asks. bp On 5/16/2019 11:47 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: I am gonna try a pair of Baofengs and a pair of the Retevis and see how my guys like them. I got a license so that will cover family. I guess I will claim the guys are adopted if we get busted. Will probably buy them licenses as time goes on. Does anyone really use their callsigns in a legal manner on GMRS? My wife and I are used to it being hams for decades but not sure how well it will go over with the guys. I guess telling them it is a $25K and 10 years penalty might get them to do it. Seems silly. From: Lewis Bergman Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2019 7:10 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Hanoi talkies I would be careful about any of the Chinese radios. I don't know anything about Ham stuff and they may meet that are off rules. I know a few of the people that head up licensing agencies and they say many, like Baofung, violate FCC rules. Those rules may not apply to you though so take that for what it is worth. On Tue, May 7, 2019, 12:15 PM Bill Prince wrote: We use the Baofeng UV-5R with a 15" whip. Using the available programming software makes them relatively easy to set up. We ran a radio drill this last weekend through our new repeater, and everything seemed to work pretty well. I've got some concerns about the location the group picked for the repeater, but overall, not bad at all. bp On 5/6/2019 1:22 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: Baofeng are hard to program. They seem to work ok. Sent from my iPhone On May 6, 2019, at 2:09 PM, Brian Webster wrote: Technically you are supposed to only use radios on GMRS that have FCC type certification for GMRS service. Some will say that part 90 certified UHF radios are allowed to be used in GMRS, I recall that rule was only for radios that were certified part 90 before the part 95A (I think that’s the section for GMRS) was set up as a requirement. Now if you aren’t so concerned about that certification use these. I have quite a few various Chinese radios and I have never heard of this brand, so personally at that price I would go with a more known Chinese brand such as Baofeng or Woxoun. Since there are actually still wide band GMRS channels (not the splinter channels for portable to portable comms only), I would shop around for some real radios such as Motorola UHF portables that will be more durable. You should be able to get the old wide band versions cheap. Likely will need new batteries and maybe antennas but they should last. Commercial radio services are all narrow band now so wide band only radios are no longer legal in those services. Sometimes you can find a nice deal on a set in a gang charger. If you do look at any particular models ping me off list and I can let you know which models are good and bad to use. I can point you in the right direction for programming and such as well. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Monday, May 06, 2019 3:08 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Hanoi talkies Hanoi handi potatoe potato Sent from my iPhone On May 6, 2019, at 1:06 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: https://www.amazon.com/Retevis-Radios-Range-Scrambler-Speaker/dp/B00PVQ5LO8/ref=asc_df_B00PVQ5LO8/?tag=hyprod-20=df0=312039479427=1o1=g=15843251035210015126m===1013962=pla-569078696569=1 Gmrs? Anyone know this radio? I had it recommended to me this morning. Sent from my iPhone -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmu
Re: [AFMUG] OT Hanoi talkies
Part 90 business itinerant allows you to do FM-Narrow and/or digital voice+data (including encryption) across the lower 48 for practically nothing for 10 years. There are 8 VHF and 8 UHF shared frequencies. Do the form 601 yourself and pay the FCC. No coordination required. No GMRS licensing nonsense for employees. On 5/16/2019 3:16 PM, Bill Prince wrote: On our community emergency list I think all the people with call signs use them. At least intermittently. There are a few people who don't use their call signs. Nobody asks. bp On 5/16/2019 11:47 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: I am gonna try a pair of Baofengs and a pair of the Retevis and see how my guys like them. I got a license so that will cover family. I guess I will claim the guys are adopted if we get busted. Will probably buy them licenses as time goes on. Does anyone really use their callsigns in a legal manner on GMRS? My wife and I are used to it being hams for decades but not sure how well it will go over with the guys. I guess telling them it is a $25K and 10 years penalty might get them to do it. Seems silly. *From:* Lewis Bergman *Sent:* Tuesday, May 7, 2019 7:10 PM *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Hanoi talkies I would be careful about any of the Chinese radios. I don't know anything about Ham stuff and they may meet that are off rules. I know a few of the people that head up licensing agencies and they say many, like Baofung, violate FCC rules. Those rules may not apply to you though so take that for what it is worth. On Tue, May 7, 2019, 12:15 PM Bill Prince wrote: > We use the Baofeng UV-5R with a 15" whip. Using the available programming > software makes them relatively easy to set up. We ran a radio drill this > last weekend through our new repeater, and everything seemed to work pretty > well. I've got some concerns about the location the group picked for the > repeater, but overall, not bad at all. > > > > bp > > > > On 5/6/2019 1:22 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: > > Baofeng are hard to program. They seem to work ok. > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 6, 2019, at 2:09 PM, Brian Webster > wrote: > > Technically you are supposed to only use radios on GMRS that have FCC type > certification for GMRS service. Some will say that part 90 certified UHF > radios are allowed to be used in GMRS, I recall that rule was only for > radios that were certified part 90 before the part 95A (I think that’s the > section for GMRS) was set up as a requirement. Now if you aren’t so > concerned about that certification use these. I have quite a few various > Chinese radios and I have never heard of this brand, so personally at that > price I would go with a more known Chinese brand such as Baofeng or Woxoun. > Since there are actually still wide band GMRS channels (not the splinter > channels for portable to portable comms only), I would shop around for some > real radios such as Motorola UHF portables that will be more durable. You > should be able to get the old wide band versions cheap. Likely will need > new batteries and maybe antennas but they should last. Commercial radio > services are all narrow band now so wide band only radios are no longer > legal in those services. Sometimes you can find a nice deal on a set in a > gang charger. If you do look at any particular models ping me off list and > I can let you know which models are good and bad to use. I can point you in > the right direction for programming and such as well. > > > > Thank You, > > Brian Webster > > www.wirelessmapping.com > > www.Broadband-Mapping.com > > > > *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown > *Sent:* Monday, May 06, 2019 3:08 PM > *To:* af@af.afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Hanoi talkies > > > > Hanoi handi potatoe potato > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On May 6, 2019, at 1:06 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: > > > > https://www.amazon.com/Retevis-Radios-Range-Scrambler-Speaker/dp/B00PVQ5LO8/ref=asc_df_B00PVQ5LO8/?tag=hyprod-20=df0=312039479427=1o1=g=15843251035210015126m===1013962=pla-569078696569=1 > > > > > > Gmrs? Anyone know this radio? I had it recommended to me this morning. > > Sent from my iPhone > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] OT Hanoi talkies
On our community emergency list I think all the people with call signs use them. At least intermittently. There are a few people who don't use their call signs. Nobody asks. bp On 5/16/2019 11:47 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: I am gonna try a pair of Baofengs and a pair of the Retevis and see how my guys like them. I got a license so that will cover family. I guess I will claim the guys are adopted if we get busted. Will probably buy them licenses as time goes on. Does anyone really use their callsigns in a legal manner on GMRS? My wife and I are used to it being hams for decades but not sure how well it will go over with the guys. I guess telling them it is a $25K and 10 years penalty might get them to do it. Seems silly. From: Lewis Bergman Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2019 7:10 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Hanoi talkies I would be careful about any of the Chinese radios. I don't know anything about Ham stuff and they may meet that are off rules. I know a few of the people that head up licensing agencies and they say many, like Baofung, violate FCC rules. Those rules may not apply to you though so take that for what it is worth. On Tue, May 7, 2019, 12:15 PM Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com> wrote: We use the Baofeng UV-5R with a 15" whip. Using the available programming software makes them relatively easy to set up. We ran a radio drill this last weekend through our new repeater, and everything seemed to work pretty well. I've got some concerns about the location the group picked for the repeater, but overall, not bad at all. bp On 5/6/2019 1:22 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: Baofeng are hard to program. They seem to work ok. Sent from my iPhone On May 6, 2019, at 2:09 PM, Brian Webster <i...@wirelessmapping.com> wrote: Technically you are supposed to only use radios on GMRS that have FCC type certification for GMRS service. Some will say that part 90 certified UHF radios are allowed to be used in GMRS, I recall that rule was only for radios that were certified part 90 before the part 95A (I think that’s the section for GMRS) was set up as a requirement. Now if you aren’t so concerned about that certification use these. I have quite a few various Chinese radios and I have never heard of this brand, so personally at that price I would go with a more known Chinese brand such as Baofeng or Woxoun. Since there are actually still wide band GMRS channels (not the splinter channels for portable to portable comms only), I would shop around for some real radios such as Motorola UHF portables that will be more durable. You should be able to get the old wide band versions cheap. Likely will need new batteries and maybe antennas but they should last. Commercial radio services are all narrow band now so wide band only radios are no longer legal in those services. Sometimes you can find a nice deal on a
Re: [AFMUG] OT Hanoi talkies
Mobile construction crew. And the vehicles are moving all the time. From: Brian Webster Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2019 1:21 PM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Hanoi talkies If you are using them in mostly the same area I would just put up a base or repeater and put a CW ID unit on it. Most users on a shared repeater do identify with their license. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2019 2:48 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Hanoi talkies I am gonna try a pair of Baofengs and a pair of the Retevis and see how my guys like them. I got a license so that will cover family. I guess I will claim the guys are adopted if we get busted. Will probably buy them licenses as time goes on. Does anyone really use their callsigns in a legal manner on GMRS? My wife and I are used to it being hams for decades but not sure how well it will go over with the guys. I guess telling them it is a $25K and 10 years penalty might get them to do it. Seems silly. From: Lewis Bergman Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2019 7:10 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Hanoi talkies I would be careful about any of the Chinese radios. I don't know anything about Ham stuff and they may meet that are off rules. I know a few of the people that head up licensing agencies and they say many, like Baofung, violate FCC rules. Those rules may not apply to you though so take that for what it is worth. On Tue, May 7, 2019, 12:15 PM Bill Prince wrote: We use the Baofeng UV-5R with a 15" whip. Using the available programming software makes them relatively easy to set up. We ran a radio drill this last weekend through our new repeater, and everything seemed to work pretty well. I've got some concerns about the location the group picked for the repeater, but overall, not bad at all. bp On 5/6/2019 1:22 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: Baofeng are hard to program. They seem to work ok. Sent from my iPhone On May 6, 2019, at 2:09 PM, Brian Webster wrote: Technically you are supposed to only use radios on GMRS that have FCC type certification for GMRS service. Some will say that part 90 certified UHF radios are allowed to be used in GMRS, I recall that rule was only for radios that were certified part 90 before the part 95A (I think that’s the section for GMRS) was set up as a requirement. Now if you aren’t so concerned about that certification use these. I have quite a few various Chinese radios and I have never heard of this brand, so personally at that price I would go with a more known Chinese brand such as Baofeng or Woxoun. Since there are actually still wide band GMRS channels (not the splinter channels for portable to portable comms only), I would shop around for some real radios such as Motorola UHF portables that will be more durable. You should be able to get the old wide band versions cheap. Likely will need new batteries and maybe antennas but they should last. Commercial radio services are all narrow band now so wide band only radios are no longer legal in those services. Sometimes you can find a nice deal on a set in a gang charger. If you do look at any particular models ping me off list and I can let you know which models are good and bad to use. I can point you in the right direction for programming and such as well. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Monday, May 06, 2019 3:08 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Hanoi talkies Hanoi handi potatoe potato Sent from my iPhone On May 6, 2019, at 1:06 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: https://www.amazon.com/Retevis-Radios-Range-Scrambler-Speaker/dp/B00PVQ5LO8/ref=asc_df_B00PVQ5LO8/?tag=hyprod-20=df0=312039479427=1o1=g=15843251035210015126m===1013962=pla-569078696569=1 Gmrs? Anyone know this radio? I had it recommended to me this morning. Sent from my iPhone -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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If you are using them in mostly the same area I would just put up a base or repeater and put a CW ID unit on it. Most users on a shared repeater do identify with their license. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2019 2:48 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Hanoi talkies I am gonna try a pair of Baofengs and a pair of the Retevis and see how my guys like them. I got a license so that will cover family. I guess I will claim the guys are adopted if we get busted. Will probably buy them licenses as time goes on. Does anyone really use their callsigns in a legal manner on GMRS? My wife and I are used to it being hams for decades but not sure how well it will go over with the guys. I guess telling them it is a $25K and 10 years penalty might get them to do it. Seems silly. From: Lewis Bergman Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2019 7:10 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Hanoi talkies I would be careful about any of the Chinese radios. I don't know anything about Ham stuff and they may meet that are off rules. I know a few of the people that head up licensing agencies and they say many, like Baofung, violate FCC rules. Those rules may not apply to you though so take that for what it is worth. On Tue, May 7, 2019, 12:15 PM Bill Prince wrote: We use the Baofeng UV-5R with a 15" whip. Using the available programming software makes them relatively easy to set up. We ran a radio drill this last weekend through our new repeater, and everything seemed to work pretty well. I've got some concerns about the location the group picked for the repeater, but overall, not bad at all. bp On 5/6/2019 1:22 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: Baofeng are hard to program. They seem to work ok. Sent from my iPhone On May 6, 2019, at 2:09 PM, Brian Webster wrote: Technically you are supposed to only use radios on GMRS that have FCC type certification for GMRS service. Some will say that part 90 certified UHF radios are allowed to be used in GMRS, I recall that rule was only for radios that were certified part 90 before the part 95A (I think that’s the section for GMRS) was set up as a requirement. Now if you aren’t so concerned about that certification use these. I have quite a few various Chinese radios and I have never heard of this brand, so personally at that price I would go with a more known Chinese brand such as Baofeng or Woxoun. Since there are actually still wide band GMRS channels (not the splinter channels for portable to portable comms only), I would shop around for some real radios such as Motorola UHF portables that will be more durable. You should be able to get the old wide band versions cheap. Likely will need new batteries and maybe antennas but they should last. Commercial radio services are all narrow band now so wide band only radios are no longer legal in those services. Sometimes you can find a nice deal on a set in a gang charger. If you do look at any particular models ping me off list and I can let you know which models are good and bad to use. I can point you in the right direction for programming and such as well. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Monday, May 06, 2019 3:08 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Hanoi talkies Hanoi handi potatoe potato Sent from my iPhone On May 6, 2019, at 1:06 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: https://www.amazon.com/Retevis-Radios-Range-Scrambler-Speaker/dp/B00PVQ5LO8/ref=asc_df_B00PVQ5LO8/?tag=hyprod-20 <https://www.amazon.com/Retevis-Radios-Range-Scrambler-Speaker/dp/B00PVQ5LO8/ref=asc_df_B00PVQ5LO8/?tag=hyprod-20=df0=312039479427=1o1=g=15843251035210015126m===1013962=pla-569078696569=1> =df0=312039479427=1o1=g=15843251035210015126m===1013962=pla-569078696569=1 Gmrs? Anyone know this radio? I had it recommended to me this morning. Sent from my iPhone -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com _ -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] OT Hanoi talkies
I am gonna try a pair of Baofengs and a pair of the Retevis and see how my guys like them. I got a license so that will cover family. I guess I will claim the guys are adopted if we get busted. Will probably buy them licenses as time goes on. Does anyone really use their callsigns in a legal manner on GMRS? My wife and I are used to it being hams for decades but not sure how well it will go over with the guys. I guess telling them it is a $25K and 10 years penalty might get them to do it. Seems silly. From: Lewis Bergman Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2019 7:10 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Hanoi talkies I would be careful about any of the Chinese radios. I don't know anything about Ham stuff and they may meet that are off rules. I know a few of the people that head up licensing agencies and they say many, like Baofung, violate FCC rules. Those rules may not apply to you though so take that for what it is worth. On Tue, May 7, 2019, 12:15 PM Bill Prince wrote: We use the Baofeng UV-5R with a 15" whip. Using the available programming software makes them relatively easy to set up. We ran a radio drill this last weekend through our new repeater, and everything seemed to work pretty well. I've got some concerns about the location the group picked for the repeater, but overall, not bad at all. bp On 5/6/2019 1:22 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: Baofeng are hard to program. They seem to work ok. Sent from my iPhone On May 6, 2019, at 2:09 PM, Brian Webster wrote: Technically you are supposed to only use radios on GMRS that have FCC type certification for GMRS service. Some will say that part 90 certified UHF radios are allowed to be used in GMRS, I recall that rule was only for radios that were certified part 90 before the part 95A (I think that’s the section for GMRS) was set up as a requirement. Now if you aren’t so concerned about that certification use these. I have quite a few various Chinese radios and I have never heard of this brand, so personally at that price I would go with a more known Chinese brand such as Baofeng or Woxoun. Since there are actually still wide band GMRS channels (not the splinter channels for portable to portable comms only), I would shop around for some real radios such as Motorola UHF portables that will be more durable. You should be able to get the old wide band versions cheap. Likely will need new batteries and maybe antennas but they should last. Commercial radio services are all narrow band now so wide band only radios are no longer legal in those services. Sometimes you can find a nice deal on a set in a gang charger. If you do look at any particular models ping me off list and I can let you know which models are good and bad to use. I can point you in the right direction for programming and such as well. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Monday, May 06, 2019 3:08 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Hanoi talkies Hanoi handi potatoe potato Sent from my iPhone On May 6, 2019, at 1:06 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: https://www.amazon.com/Retevis-Radios-Range-Scrambler-Speaker/dp/B00PVQ5LO8/ref=asc_df_B00PVQ5LO8/?tag=hyprod-20=df0=312039479427=1o1=g=15843251035210015126m===1013962=pla-569078696569=1 Gmrs? Anyone know this radio? I had it recommended to me this morning. Sent from my iPhone -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] OT Hanoi talkies
Ha. I tore tags off my mattress and furniturenot afraid of FCC...lol On Tue, May 7, 2019, 7:11 PM Lewis Bergman wrote: > I would be careful about any of the Chinese radios. I don't know anything > about Ham stuff and they may meet that are off rules. I know a few of the > people that head up licensing agencies and they say many, like Baofung, > violate FCC rules. Those rules may not apply to you though so take that for > what it is worth. > > On Tue, May 7, 2019, 12:15 PM Bill Prince wrote: > >> We use the Baofeng UV-5R with a 15" whip. Using the available programming >> software makes them relatively easy to set up. We ran a radio drill this >> last weekend through our new repeater, and everything seemed to work pretty >> well. I've got some concerns about the location the group picked for the >> repeater, but overall, not bad at all. >> >> >> bp >> >> >> >> On 5/6/2019 1:22 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: >> >> Baofeng are hard to program. They seem to work ok. >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On May 6, 2019, at 2:09 PM, Brian Webster >> wrote: >> >> Technically you are supposed to only use radios on GMRS that have FCC >> type certification for GMRS service. Some will say that part 90 certified >> UHF radios are allowed to be used in GMRS, I recall that rule was only for >> radios that were certified part 90 before the part 95A (I think that’s the >> section for GMRS) was set up as a requirement. Now if you aren’t so >> concerned about that certification use these. I have quite a few various >> Chinese radios and I have never heard of this brand, so personally at that >> price I would go with a more known Chinese brand such as Baofeng or Woxoun. >> Since there are actually still wide band GMRS channels (not the splinter >> channels for portable to portable comms only), I would shop around for some >> real radios such as Motorola UHF portables that will be more durable. You >> should be able to get the old wide band versions cheap. Likely will need >> new batteries and maybe antennas but they should last. Commercial radio >> services are all narrow band now so wide band only radios are no longer >> legal in those services. Sometimes you can find a nice deal on a set in a >> gang charger. If you do look at any particular models ping me off list and >> I can let you know which models are good and bad to use. I can point you in >> the right direction for programming and such as well. >> >> >> >> Thank You, >> >> Brian Webster >> >> www.wirelessmapping.com >> >> www.Broadband-Mapping.com >> >> >> >> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com ] *On >> Behalf Of *Chuck McCown >> *Sent:* Monday, May 06, 2019 3:08 PM >> *To:* af@af.afmug.com >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Hanoi talkies >> >> >> >> Hanoi handi potatoe potato >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> >> On May 6, 2019, at 1:06 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: >> >> >> >> https://www.amazon.com/Retevis-Radios-Range-Scrambler-Speaker/dp/B00PVQ5LO8/ref=asc_df_B00PVQ5LO8/?tag=hyprod-20=df0=312039479427=1o1=g=15843251035210015126m===1013962=pla-569078696569=1 >> >> >> >> >> >> Gmrs? Anyone know this radio? I had it recommended to me this morning. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] OT Hanoi talkies
I would be careful about any of the Chinese radios. I don't know anything about Ham stuff and they may meet that are off rules. I know a few of the people that head up licensing agencies and they say many, like Baofung, violate FCC rules. Those rules may not apply to you though so take that for what it is worth. On Tue, May 7, 2019, 12:15 PM Bill Prince wrote: > We use the Baofeng UV-5R with a 15" whip. Using the available programming > software makes them relatively easy to set up. We ran a radio drill this > last weekend through our new repeater, and everything seemed to work pretty > well. I've got some concerns about the location the group picked for the > repeater, but overall, not bad at all. > > > bp > > > > On 5/6/2019 1:22 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: > > Baofeng are hard to program. They seem to work ok. > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 6, 2019, at 2:09 PM, Brian Webster > wrote: > > Technically you are supposed to only use radios on GMRS that have FCC type > certification for GMRS service. Some will say that part 90 certified UHF > radios are allowed to be used in GMRS, I recall that rule was only for > radios that were certified part 90 before the part 95A (I think that’s the > section for GMRS) was set up as a requirement. Now if you aren’t so > concerned about that certification use these. I have quite a few various > Chinese radios and I have never heard of this brand, so personally at that > price I would go with a more known Chinese brand such as Baofeng or Woxoun. > Since there are actually still wide band GMRS channels (not the splinter > channels for portable to portable comms only), I would shop around for some > real radios such as Motorola UHF portables that will be more durable. You > should be able to get the old wide band versions cheap. Likely will need > new batteries and maybe antennas but they should last. Commercial radio > services are all narrow band now so wide band only radios are no longer > legal in those services. Sometimes you can find a nice deal on a set in a > gang charger. If you do look at any particular models ping me off list and > I can let you know which models are good and bad to use. I can point you in > the right direction for programming and such as well. > > > > Thank You, > > Brian Webster > > www.wirelessmapping.com > > www.Broadband-Mapping.com > > > > *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com ] *On > Behalf Of *Chuck McCown > *Sent:* Monday, May 06, 2019 3:08 PM > *To:* af@af.afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Hanoi talkies > > > > Hanoi handi potatoe potato > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On May 6, 2019, at 1:06 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: > > > > https://www.amazon.com/Retevis-Radios-Range-Scrambler-Speaker/dp/B00PVQ5LO8/ref=asc_df_B00PVQ5LO8/?tag=hyprod-20=df0=312039479427=1o1=g=15843251035210015126m===1013962=pla-569078696569=1 > > > > > > Gmrs? Anyone know this radio? I had it recommended to me this morning. > > Sent from my iPhone > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] OT Hanoi talkies
We use the Baofeng UV-5R with a 15" whip. Using the available programming software makes them relatively easy to set up. We ran a radio drill this last weekend through our new repeater, and everything seemed to work pretty well. I've got some concerns about the location the group picked for the repeater, but overall, not bad at all. bp On 5/6/2019 1:22 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: Baofeng are hard to program. They seem to work ok. Sent from my iPhone On May 6, 2019, at 2:09 PM, Brian Webster <i...@wirelessmapping.com> wrote: Technically you are supposed to only use radios on GMRS that have FCC type certification for GMRS service. Some will say that part 90 certified UHF radios are allowed to be used in GMRS, I recall that rule was only for radios that were certified part 90 before the part 95A (I think that’s the section for GMRS) was set up as a requirement. Now if you aren’t so concerned about that certification use these. I have quite a few various Chinese radios and I have never heard of this brand, so personally at that price I would go with a more known Chinese brand such as Baofeng or Woxoun. Since there are actually still wide band GMRS channels (not the splinter channels for portable to portable comms only), I would shop around for some real radios such as Motorola UHF portables that will be more durable. You should be able to get the old wide band versions cheap. Likely will need new batteries and maybe antennas but they should last. Commercial radio services are all narrow band now so wide band only radios are no longer legal in those services. Sometimes you can find a nice deal on a set in a gang charger. If you do look at any particular models ping me off list and I can let you know which models are good and bad to use. I can point you in the right direction for programming and such as well. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Monday, May 06, 2019 3:08 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Hanoi talkies Hanoi handi potatoe potato Sent from my iPhone On May 6, 2019, at 1:06 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: https://www.amazon.com/Retevis-Radios-Range-Scrambler-Speaker/dp/B00PVQ5LO8/ref=asc_df_B00PVQ5LO8/?tag=hyprod-20=df0=312039479427=1o1=g=15843251035210015126m===1013962=pla-569078696569=1 Gmrs? Anyone know this radio? I had it recommended to me this morning. Sent from my iPhone -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] OT Hanoi talkies
Yeah I second that just get a programming cable and chirpe. Then it can be done very quickly. After you learn their weird menu system it becomes easier still wouldn't want to do it other than setting one or two memory settings. Original message From: Brian Webster Date: 5/6/19 5:44 PM (GMT-07:00) To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Hanoi talkies If you get the Chirp software they are pretty easy, once you have one programmed cloning identical radios is a matter of seconds for each radio. Thank You,Brian Websterwww.wirelessmapping.comwww.Broadband-Mapping.com From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCownSent: Monday, May 06, 2019 4:22 PMTo: AnimalFarm Microwave Users GroupSubject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Hanoi talkies Baofeng are hard to program. They seem to work ok. Sent from my iPhoneOn May 6, 2019, at 2:09 PM, Brian Webster wrote:Technically you are supposed to only use radios on GMRS that have FCC type certification for GMRS service. Some will say that part 90 certified UHF radios are allowed to be used in GMRS, I recall that rule was only for radios that were certified part 90 before the part 95A (I think that’s the section for GMRS) was set up as a requirement. Now if you aren’t so concerned about that certification use these. I have quite a few various Chinese radios and I have never heard of this brand, so personally at that price I would go with a more known Chinese brand such as Baofeng or Woxoun. Since there are actually still wide band GMRS channels (not the splinter channels for portable to portable comms only), I would shop around for some real radios such as Motorola UHF portables that will be more durable. You should be able to get the old wide band versions cheap. Likely will need new batteries and maybe antennas but they should last. Commercial radio services are all narrow band now so wide band only radios are no longer legal in those services. Sometimes you can find a nice deal on a set in a gang charger. If you do look at any particular models ping me off list and I can let you know which models are good and bad to use. I can point you in the right direction for programming and such as well. Thank You,Brian Websterwww.wirelessmapping.comwww.Broadband-Mapping.com From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCownSent: Monday, May 06, 2019 3:08 PMTo: af@af.afmug.comSubject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Hanoi talkies Hanoi handi potatoe potato Sent from my iPhoneOn May 6, 2019, at 1:06 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:https://www.amazon.com/Retevis-Radios-Range-Scrambler-Speaker/dp/B00PVQ5LO8/ref=asc_df_B00PVQ5LO8/?tag=hyprod-20=df0=312039479427=1o1=g=15843251035210015126m===1013962=pla-569078696569=1 Gmrs? Anyone know this radio? I had it recommended to me this morning.Sent from my iPhone-- AF mailing listAF@af.afmug.comhttp://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com-- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] OT Hanoi talkies
If you get the Chirp software they are pretty easy, once you have one programmed cloning identical radios is a matter of seconds for each radio. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Monday, May 06, 2019 4:22 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Hanoi talkies Baofeng are hard to program. They seem to work ok. Sent from my iPhone On May 6, 2019, at 2:09 PM, Brian Webster wrote: Technically you are supposed to only use radios on GMRS that have FCC type certification for GMRS service. Some will say that part 90 certified UHF radios are allowed to be used in GMRS, I recall that rule was only for radios that were certified part 90 before the part 95A (I think that’s the section for GMRS) was set up as a requirement. Now if you aren’t so concerned about that certification use these. I have quite a few various Chinese radios and I have never heard of this brand, so personally at that price I would go with a more known Chinese brand such as Baofeng or Woxoun. Since there are actually still wide band GMRS channels (not the splinter channels for portable to portable comms only), I would shop around for some real radios such as Motorola UHF portables that will be more durable. You should be able to get the old wide band versions cheap. Likely will need new batteries and maybe antennas but they should last. Commercial radio services are all narrow band now so wide band only radios are no longer legal in those services. Sometimes you can find a nice deal on a set in a gang charger. If you do look at any particular models ping me off list and I can let you know which models are good and bad to use. I can point you in the right direction for programming and such as well. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Monday, May 06, 2019 3:08 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Hanoi talkies Hanoi handi potatoe potato Sent from my iPhone On May 6, 2019, at 1:06 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: https://www.amazon.com/Retevis-Radios-Range-Scrambler-Speaker/dp/B00PVQ5LO8/ref=asc_df_B00PVQ5LO8/?tag=hyprod-20 <https://www.amazon.com/Retevis-Radios-Range-Scrambler-Speaker/dp/B00PVQ5LO8/ref=asc_df_B00PVQ5LO8/?tag=hyprod-20=df0=312039479427=1o1=g=15843251035210015126m===1013962=pla-569078696569=1> =df0=312039479427=1o1=g=15843251035210015126m===1013962=pla-569078696569=1 Gmrs? Anyone know this radio? I had it recommended to me this morning. Sent from my iPhone -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] OT Hanoi talkies
Baofeng are hard to program. They seem to work ok. Sent from my iPhone > On May 6, 2019, at 2:09 PM, Brian Webster wrote: > > Technically you are supposed to only use radios on GMRS that have FCC type > certification for GMRS service. Some will say that part 90 certified UHF > radios are allowed to be used in GMRS, I recall that rule was only for radios > that were certified part 90 before the part 95A (I think that’s the section > for GMRS) was set up as a requirement. Now if you aren’t so concerned about > that certification use these. I have quite a few various Chinese radios and I > have never heard of this brand, so personally at that price I would go with a > more known Chinese brand such as Baofeng or Woxoun. Since there are actually > still wide band GMRS channels (not the splinter channels for portable to > portable comms only), I would shop around for some real radios such as > Motorola UHF portables that will be more durable. You should be able to get > the old wide band versions cheap. Likely will need new batteries and maybe > antennas but they should last. Commercial radio services are all narrow band > now so wide band only radios are no longer legal in those services. Sometimes > you can find a nice deal on a set in a gang charger. If you do look at any > particular models ping me off list and I can let you know which models are > good and bad to use. I can point you in the right direction for programming > and such as well. > > Thank You, > Brian Webster > www.wirelessmapping.com > www.Broadband-Mapping.com > > From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown > Sent: Monday, May 06, 2019 3:08 PM > To: af@af.afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Hanoi talkies > > Hanoi handi potatoe potato > > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 6, 2019, at 1:06 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: > > > https://www.amazon.com/Retevis-Radios-Range-Scrambler-Speaker/dp/B00PVQ5LO8/ref=asc_df_B00PVQ5LO8/?tag=hyprod-20=df0=312039479427=1o1=g=15843251035210015126m===1013962=pla-569078696569=1 > > > Gmrs? Anyone know this radio? I had it recommended to me this morning. > Sent from my iPhone > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] OT Hanoi talkies
Technically you are supposed to only use radios on GMRS that have FCC type certification for GMRS service. Some will say that part 90 certified UHF radios are allowed to be used in GMRS, I recall that rule was only for radios that were certified part 90 before the part 95A (I think that’s the section for GMRS) was set up as a requirement. Now if you aren’t so concerned about that certification use these. I have quite a few various Chinese radios and I have never heard of this brand, so personally at that price I would go with a more known Chinese brand such as Baofeng or Woxoun. Since there are actually still wide band GMRS channels (not the splinter channels for portable to portable comms only), I would shop around for some real radios such as Motorola UHF portables that will be more durable. You should be able to get the old wide band versions cheap. Likely will need new batteries and maybe antennas but they should last. Commercial radio services are all narrow band now so wide band only radios are no longer legal in those services. Sometimes you can find a nice deal on a set in a gang charger. If you do look at any particular models ping me off list and I can let you know which models are good and bad to use. I can point you in the right direction for programming and such as well. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Monday, May 06, 2019 3:08 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Hanoi talkies Hanoi handi potatoe potato Sent from my iPhone On May 6, 2019, at 1:06 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: https://www.amazon.com/Retevis-Radios-Range-Scrambler-Speaker/dp/B00PVQ5LO8/ref=asc_df_B00PVQ5LO8/?tag=hyprod-20 <https://www.amazon.com/Retevis-Radios-Range-Scrambler-Speaker/dp/B00PVQ5LO8/ref=asc_df_B00PVQ5LO8/?tag=hyprod-20=df0=312039479427=1o1=g=15843251035210015126m===1013962=pla-569078696569=1> =df0=312039479427=1o1=g=15843251035210015126m===1013962=pla-569078696569=1 Gmrs? Anyone know this radio? I had it recommended to me this morning. Sent from my iPhone -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] OT Hanoi talkies
Hanoi handi potatoe potato Sent from my iPhone > On May 6, 2019, at 1:06 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: > > > https://www.amazon.com/Retevis-Radios-Range-Scrambler-Speaker/dp/B00PVQ5LO8/ref=asc_df_B00PVQ5LO8/?tag=hyprod-20=df0=312039479427=1o1=g=15843251035210015126m===1013962=pla-569078696569=1 > > > Gmrs? Anyone know this radio? I had it recommended to me this morning. > Sent from my iPhone -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
[AFMUG] OT Hanoi talkies
https://www.amazon.com/Retevis-Radios-Range-Scrambler-Speaker/dp/B00PVQ5LO8/ref=asc_df_B00PVQ5LO8/?tag=hyprod-20=df0=312039479427=1o1=g=15843251035210015126m===1013962=pla-569078696569=1 Gmrs? Anyone know this radio? I had it recommended to me this morning. Sent from my iPhone-- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
