Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query
I did bare minimum d- work in HS but college was 3.77. From: Daniel White Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2020 3:26 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query I was a Sales Engineer once :-) My GPA in High School was around 2.7 because I outright refused to do homework but did great at anything in class. Anyone that knew me was always shocked when I told them my GPA. My younger brother was the 4.0 Valedictorian though... but avoided any hardwork in College and got one of those degrees that in of itself isn't worth much. I did one semester of community college and said this is just like K-12 and dropped out and joined the Marines (I probably would have done far better at a good 4 year school). I had childhood asthma which really hurt my capabilities to keep up in any activity that was physical, and it wasn't until I was in the Marines that I really figured out how far I could push myself. So I was used to being picked last but it never bothered me. I've not kept up with anyone from high school, but when I have people have landed mostly where I would have thought they would. Daniel White Co-Founder & Managing Director of Operations phone: +1 (702) 470-2770 direct: +1 (702) 470-2766 ch...@wbmfg.com wrote on 3/29/20 13:07: I have known some sales engineers and field application engineers that have done very very well. From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2020 12:32 PM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query One of my roommates in college was also an engineering student, but not a very good student. Later he attributed his success in life to his poor GPA. He couldn’t land a regular engineering design job (didn’t help there was a recession on), so he settled for a job as an applications engineer or sales engineer. Within a few years he had his own company. Probably the most successful of any in our group. https://www.linkedin.com/in/wmtjones From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Adam Moffett Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2020 12:58 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query In gym class I was never an early draft. Usually near the last. I did play on local soccer and football leagues, but never stood out. I did it because everyone else did it, and the parents said I had to do something extracurricular. This is a bit of an embarrassing story, but when I joined the local Pop Warner football team I didn't know any of the rules to football. Soccer was simple to muddle through --kick towards the other goal, don't use hands. Football has a lot of rules. The coaches never explained how to actually play and I never asked. I just sort of tried to emulate the kids around me to get through the games. I never figured out what a "down" was until I was in high school. I haven't stayed in touch with any of the school athletes so I couldn't say how they're doing in life. On 3/29/2020 1:07 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Since we are all successful techno nerds here, I am wondering: Back in the day, when you lined up and a couple of troglodytes were assigned the task of picking people for their teams, how near the front were you picked? I was frequently next to last. Better than being last. The troglodytes that I know have not really had great lives. Multiple spouses, menial jobs etc. Who won? -- -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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I was a Sales Engineer once :-) My GPA in High School was around 2.7 because I outright refused to do homework but did great at anything in class. Anyone that knew me was always shocked when I told them my GPA. My younger brother was the 4.0 Valedictorian though... but avoided any hardwork in College and got one of those degrees that in of itself isn't worth much. I did one semester of community college and said this is just like K-12 and dropped out and joined the Marines (I probably would have done far better at a good 4 year school). I had childhood asthma which really hurt my capabilities to keep up in any activity that was physical, and it wasn't until I was in the Marines that I really figured out how far I could push myself. So I was used to being picked last but it never bothered me. I've not kept up with anyone from high school, but when I have people have landed mostly where I would have thought they would. photograph Daniel White Co-Founder & Managing Director of Operations phone: +1 (702) 470-2770 direct:+1 (702) 470-2766 ch...@wbmfg.com wrote on 3/29/20 13:07: > I have known some sales engineers and field application engineers that > have done very very well. > > *From:* Ken Hohhof > *Sent:* Sunday, March 29, 2020 12:32 PM > *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query > > > One of my roommates in college was also an engineering student, but > not a very good student. Later he attributed his success in life to > his poor GPA. He couldn’t land a regular engineering design job > (didn’t help there was a recession on), so he settled for a job as an > applications engineer or sales engineer. Within a few years he had > his own company. Probably the most successful of any in our group. > > > > https://www.linkedin.com/in/wmtjones > > > > > > *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett > *Sent:* Sunday, March 29, 2020 12:58 PM > *To:* af@af.afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query > > > > In gym class I was never an early draft. Usually near the last. > > I did play on local soccer and football leagues, but never stood out. > I did it because everyone else did it, and the parents said I had to > do something extracurricular. This is a bit of an embarrassing story, > but when I joined the local Pop Warner football team I didn't know any > of the rules to football. Soccer was simple to muddle through --kick > towards the other goal, don't use hands. Football has a lot of > rules. The coaches never explained how to actually play and I never > asked. I just sort of tried to emulate the kids around me to get > through the games. I never figured out what a "down" was until I was > in high school. > > I haven't stayed in touch with any of the school athletes so I > couldn't say how they're doing in life. > > > > On 3/29/2020 1:07 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: > > Since we are all successful techno nerds here, I am wondering: > > > > Back in the day, when you lined up and a couple of troglodytes > were assigned the task of picking people for their teams, how near > the front were you picked? > > > > I was frequently next to last. Better than being last. > > The troglodytes that I know have not really had great lives. > Multiple spouses, menial jobs etc. > > > > Who won? > > > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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Yep, I've been on the receiving end of that! On 03/30/2020 11:17 AM, Seth Mattinen wrote: On 3/30/20 11:13 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: I just finished a 330,000' fiber build for one of the largest companies in the world. I had to suffer through weekly (or more often) conference calls with project managers like this. I will never work for them again. Nobody knows anything but they mask it by having to take it up with their "team" and get back to you. That's how I get out of things all the time by saying I have to talk to my wife about it. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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Yep. When I lived in Salt Lake designing the Leap Wireless (Cricket) cell network there in 2000-2001 I was contracting with Lucent. There were biweekly "team" meetings that lasted 4-5 hours each that were mostly the site aqc and construction teams talking about stuff that I didn't need my RF Team wasting their time listening to. After the second week of the that, I told my engineers they didn't need to attend anymore, and eventually I told them I could only be there for 1/2 hour each week to give a status update. Otherwise I was available by phone call or email. I can't stand projects run by committee and is probably why I haven't worked for anyone else long term since 2003. My buddy who rents an office from me is an Azure cloud solutions architect. Brilliant guy, but got placed as a team lead for AT's azure solutions. He spends about 6 hours a day on conference calls. I would have slit my wrists by now if I were him. I just couldn't do it. On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 1:14 PM wrote: > I just finished a 330,000' fiber build for one of the largest companies in > the world. > I had to suffer through weekly (or more often) conference calls with > project > managers like this. > I will never work for them again. Nobody knows anything but they mask it > by > having to take it up with their "team" and get back to you. > > For example we spent 6 weeks last summer in discussions as to how many > leading zeros on the handhole marker post labels. I voted for zero as > that > would make the significant digits down in the weeds. They went with 4 > leading zeros. > > Yep, now at normal highway speeds you cannot read them. Many of them you > have to get out of the vehicle and walk over to read the digits > > -Original Message- > From: Brian Webster > Sent: Monday, March 30, 2020 10:42 AM > To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query > > Having had to deal with Google on their Fiber builds in California.. I > can attest to that. Rooms full of 30 somethings who talk to themselves and > believe their own hype. Try to tell them about any reality and they just > say, we are Google that can't stop us.. They learned that their name > was > not the magic word. Those pesky zoning, building and pole engineering > requirements didn't know who Google was..and they really didn't care > either. > > Thank you, > Brian Webster > www.wirelessmapping.com > > -Original Message- > From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Robert > Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2020 7:44 PM > To: af@af.afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query > > Truth is always the funniest! > > On 3/29/20 3:50 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: > > Now THAT is funny. > > > > -Original Message- From: Robert Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2020 > > 3:40 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query > > Or..."Why Google fails at so many new projects..." > > > > On 3/29/20 2:31 PM, Larry Smith wrote: > >> On Sun March 29 2020 14:49, can...@believewireless.net wrote: > >>> And we all know plenty of people with advanced degrees and perfect GPAs > >>> that went no where. > >> We used to call them paper tigers, loads of degrees and certifications, > >> but could not do the actual job. > >> > > > > > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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I gotta take this offer to the Manager... -Original Message- From: Seth Mattinen Sent: Monday, March 30, 2020 12:17 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query On 3/30/20 11:13 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: I just finished a 330,000' fiber build for one of the largest companies in the world. I had to suffer through weekly (or more often) conference calls with project managers like this. I will never work for them again. Nobody knows anything but they mask it by having to take it up with their "team" and get back to you. That's how I get out of things all the time by saying I have to talk to my wife about it. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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On 3/30/20 11:13 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: I just finished a 330,000' fiber build for one of the largest companies in the world. I had to suffer through weekly (or more often) conference calls with project managers like this. I will never work for them again. Nobody knows anything but they mask it by having to take it up with their "team" and get back to you. That's how I get out of things all the time by saying I have to talk to my wife about it. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query
I just finished a 330,000' fiber build for one of the largest companies in the world. I had to suffer through weekly (or more often) conference calls with project managers like this. I will never work for them again. Nobody knows anything but they mask it by having to take it up with their "team" and get back to you. For example we spent 6 weeks last summer in discussions as to how many leading zeros on the handhole marker post labels. I voted for zero as that would make the significant digits down in the weeds. They went with 4 leading zeros. Yep, now at normal highway speeds you cannot read them. Many of them you have to get out of the vehicle and walk over to read the digits -Original Message- From: Brian Webster Sent: Monday, March 30, 2020 10:42 AM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query Having had to deal with Google on their Fiber builds in California.. I can attest to that. Rooms full of 30 somethings who talk to themselves and believe their own hype. Try to tell them about any reality and they just say, we are Google that can't stop us.. They learned that their name was not the magic word. Those pesky zoning, building and pole engineering requirements didn't know who Google was..and they really didn't care either. Thank you, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com -Original Message- From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Robert Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2020 7:44 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query Truth is always the funniest! On 3/29/20 3:50 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Now THAT is funny. -Original Message- From: Robert Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2020 3:40 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query Or..."Why Google fails at so many new projects..." On 3/29/20 2:31 PM, Larry Smith wrote: On Sun March 29 2020 14:49, can...@believewireless.net wrote: And we all know plenty of people with advanced degrees and perfect GPAs that went no where. We used to call them paper tigers, loads of degrees and certifications, but could not do the actual job. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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I've been in a whole lotta tech companies. Before I settled down into wispdom I think the final count was 26 ( some at the same time, highest count 4 ). Nuc engineers are some of the best, some mostly populated by phd's ( medical company that ate itself alive after inventing pulse ox ) Give me a bunch of practical engineers that learned on a farm any day of the year. They might be missing a finger tip or more, but they know how to get stuff done and not chase phantoms. They know how to get others to do the math if it's beyond them and then make a practical application of it. Most of all they learned how to be hungry, for knowledge, for success, for company of others like them. They share because they know what they put out there comes back 10 fold. They like the accolades of those that have also btdt. They like a dollar that they honestly earned over that which just shows up. They like to "beat" the system. Google will eventually eat itself alive, they just had a huge runway to gather speed before gliding off and sputtering. On 03/30/2020 09:42 AM, Brian Webster wrote: Having had to deal with Google on their Fiber builds in California.. I can attest to that. Rooms full of 30 somethings who talk to themselves and believe their own hype. Try to tell them about any reality and they just say, we are Google that can't stop us.. They learned that their name was not the magic word. Those pesky zoning, building and pole engineering requirements didn't know who Google was..and they really didn't care either. Thank you, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com -Original Message- From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Robert Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2020 7:44 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query Truth is always the funniest! On 3/29/20 3:50 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Now THAT is funny. -Original Message- From: Robert Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2020 3:40 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query Or..."Why Google fails at so many new projects..." On 3/29/20 2:31 PM, Larry Smith wrote: On Sun March 29 2020 14:49, can...@believewireless.net wrote: And we all know plenty of people with advanced degrees and perfect GPAs that went no where. We used to call them paper tigers, loads of degrees and certifications, but could not do the actual job. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query
Having had to deal with Google on their Fiber builds in California.. I can attest to that. Rooms full of 30 somethings who talk to themselves and believe their own hype. Try to tell them about any reality and they just say, we are Google that can't stop us.. They learned that their name was not the magic word. Those pesky zoning, building and pole engineering requirements didn't know who Google was..and they really didn't care either. Thank you, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com -Original Message- From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Robert Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2020 7:44 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query Truth is always the funniest! On 3/29/20 3:50 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: > Now THAT is funny. > > -Original Message- From: Robert Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2020 > 3:40 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query > Or..."Why Google fails at so many new projects..." > > On 3/29/20 2:31 PM, Larry Smith wrote: >> On Sun March 29 2020 14:49, can...@believewireless.net wrote: >>> And we all know plenty of people with advanced degrees and perfect GPAs >>> that went no where. >> We used to call them paper tigers, loads of degrees and certifications, >> but could not do the actual job. >> > > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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Well, that demolishes the jocks=troglodytes stereotype. And looking it up, apparently troglodyte means cave dweller aka caveman. From: AF On Behalf Of Cameron Crum Sent: Monday, March 30, 2020 10:06 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query I guess it all depends on upbringing. My father was a D1 football scholarship athlete and got a BSEE and MS in biomedical engineering in addition to being a fighter pilot. My grandfather was also a highshool athlete who got a deferred congressional nomination to the Naval Academy, but ended up going to Univ. of Akron instead and graduated with a BSEE. He ended up being one of Werner Von Braun's best friends and they did a lot of work on missiles and rockets together. I was a three sport athlete in HS and had offers for football and soccer for college. I ended up taking a soccer scholarship mostly because I had a neck injury that I was afraid would be compounded if I played college level football. I ended up with a BSEE as well. I'm 48 and still play organized soccer at least once and sometimes twice a week. We aren't all troglodytes. On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 6:44 PM Robert mailto:i...@avantwireless.com> > wrote: Truth is always the funniest! On 3/29/20 3:50 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: > Now THAT is funny. > > -Original Message- From: Robert Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2020 > 3:40 PM To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT > an honest query > Or..."Why Google fails at so many new projects..." > > On 3/29/20 2:31 PM, Larry Smith wrote: >> On Sun March 29 2020 14:49, can...@believewireless.net >> <mailto:can...@believewireless.net> wrote: >>> And we all know plenty of people with advanced degrees and perfect GPAs >>> that went no where. >> We used to call them paper tigers, loads of degrees and certifications, >> but could not do the actual job. >> > > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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Oh, I did read a book about the Moab uranium boom. I knew some of the Hunt family. From: Robert Sent: Monday, March 30, 2020 10:34 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query Charlie Steen, amazing guy who found uranium in Utah and had a wild life... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Steen On 3/30/20 8:59 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: No, I grew up in Oregon. Who is Steen? From: Robert Sent: Monday, March 30, 2020 9:56 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query Chuck, were you around Utah when Steen was making the splash around southern Utah? On 3/30/20 8:43 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: I envy the role models you had. I came from dirt farmers, we lived in an unpainted house and the bathroom was a little building up the hill out the back door. Electricity is magic. From: Cameron Crum Sent: Monday, March 30, 2020 9:40 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query LOL! You might be on to something. On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 10:37 AM wrote: But just think though, without the sports you could have been successful! From: Cameron Crum Sent: Monday, March 30, 2020 9:06 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query I guess it all depends on upbringing. My father was a D1 football scholarship athlete and got a BSEE and MS in biomedical engineering in addition to being a fighter pilot. My grandfather was also a highshool athlete who got a deferred congressional nomination to the Naval Academy, but ended up going to Univ. of Akron instead and graduated with a BSEE. He ended up being one of Werner Von Braun's best friends and they did a lot of work on missiles and rockets together. I was a three sport athlete in HS and had offers for football and soccer for college. I ended up taking a soccer scholarship mostly because I had a neck injury that I was afraid would be compounded if I played college level football. I ended up with a BSEE as well. I'm 48 and still play organized soccer at least once and sometimes twice a week. We aren't all troglodytes. On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 6:44 PM Robert wrote: Truth is always the funniest! On 3/29/20 3:50 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: > Now THAT is funny. > > -Original Message- From: Robert Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2020 > 3:40 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query > Or..."Why Google fails at so many new projects..." > > On 3/29/20 2:31 PM, Larry Smith wrote: >> On Sun March 29 2020 14:49, can...@believewireless.net wrote: >>> And we all know plenty of people with advanced degrees and perfect GPAs >>> that went no where. >> We used to call them paper tigers, loads of degrees and certifications, >> but could not do the actual job. >> > > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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Charlie Steen, amazing guy who found uranium in Utah and had a wild life...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Steen
On 3/30/20 8:59 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
No, I grew up in Oregon. Who is Steen?
*From:* Robert
*Sent:* Monday, March 30, 2020 9:56 AM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query
Chuck, were you around Utah when Steen was making the splash around
southern Utah?
On 3/30/20 8:43 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
I envy the role models you had.
I came from dirt farmers, we lived in an unpainted house and the
bathroom was a little building up the hill out the back door.
Electricity is magic.
*From:* Cameron Crum
*Sent:* Monday, March 30, 2020 9:40 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query
LOL! You might be on to something.
On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 10:37 AM wrote:
But just think though, without the sports you could have been
successful!
*From:* Cameron Crum
*Sent:* Monday, March 30, 2020 9:06 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query
I guess it all depends on upbringing. My father was a D1 football
scholarship athlete and got a BSEE and MS in biomedical
engineering in addition to being a fighter pilot. My grandfather
was also a highshool athlete who got a deferred congressional
nomination to the Naval Academy, but ended up going to Univ. of
Akron instead and graduated with a BSEE. He ended up being one of
Werner Von Braun's best friends and they did a lot of work on
missiles and rockets together. I was a three sport athlete in HS
and had offers for football and soccer for college. I ended up
taking a soccer scholarship mostly because I had a neck injury
that I was afraid would be compounded if I played college level
football. I ended up with a BSEE as well. I'm 48 and still play
organized soccer at least once and sometimes twice a week. We
aren't all troglodytes.
On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 6:44 PM Robert
wrote:
Truth is always the funniest!
On 3/29/20 3:50 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> Now THAT is funny.
>
> -Original Message- From: Robert Sent: Sunday, March
29, 2020
> 3:40 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT an
honest query
> Or... "Why Google fails at so many new projects..."
>
> On 3/29/20 2:31 PM, Larry Smith wrote:
>> On Sun March 29 2020 14:49, can...@believewireless.net wrote:
>>> And we all know plenty of people with advanced degrees
and perfect GPAs
>>> that went no where.
>> We used to call them paper tigers, loads of degrees and
certifications,
>> but could not do the actual job.
>>
>
>
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I was going to mention upbringing, but I didn't want to seem whiny. I don't think I was a weak or unathletic kid. There was just no emphasis on organized sports at our house. I could outrun most other kids on foot or on a bike. I did a lot of outdoor climbing, hiking, and such. But baseball, soccer, football, etc just weren't things I ever did, so I sucked at all of them. I could never throw or catch very well either.just not something I ever did outside of gym class. I think the "troglodyte" label doesn't have anything to do with being athletic. I think it's that we glorify certain games and certain kids who are good at those games start to think that this one skill makes them better than other people. Then those kids begin to assert themselves in the manner of a troglodyte. Of course I've never met any actual early hominids so maybe troglodytes were total sweat hearts for all I know. On 3/30/2020 11:36 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: But just think though, without the sports you could have been successful! *From:* Cameron Crum *Sent:* Monday, March 30, 2020 9:06 AM *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query I guess it all depends on upbringing. My father was a D1 football scholarship athlete and got a BSEE and MS in biomedical engineering in addition to being a fighter pilot. My grandfather was also a highshool athlete who got a deferred congressional nomination to the Naval Academy, but ended up going to Univ. of Akron instead and graduated with a BSEE. He ended up being one of Werner Von Braun's best friends and they did a lot of work on missiles and rockets together. I was a three sport athlete in HS and had offers for football and soccer for college. I ended up taking a soccer scholarship mostly because I had a neck injury that I was afraid would be compounded if I played college level football. I ended up with a BSEE as well. I'm 48 and still play organized soccer at least once and sometimes twice a week. We aren't all troglodytes. On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 6:44 PM Robert wrote: Truth is always the funniest! On 3/29/20 3:50 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: > Now THAT is funny. > > -Original Message- From: Robert Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2020 > 3:40 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query > Or... "Why Google fails at so many new projects..." > > On 3/29/20 2:31 PM, Larry Smith wrote: >> On Sun March 29 2020 14:49, can...@believewireless.net wrote: >>> And we all know plenty of people with advanced degrees and perfect GPAs >>> that went no where. >> We used to call them paper tigers, loads of degrees and certifications, >> but could not do the actual job. >> > > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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No, I grew up in Oregon. Who is Steen? From: Robert Sent: Monday, March 30, 2020 9:56 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query Chuck, were you around Utah when Steen was making the splash around southern Utah? On 3/30/20 8:43 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: I envy the role models you had. I came from dirt farmers, we lived in an unpainted house and the bathroom was a little building up the hill out the back door. Electricity is magic. From: Cameron Crum Sent: Monday, March 30, 2020 9:40 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query LOL! You might be on to something. On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 10:37 AM wrote: But just think though, without the sports you could have been successful! From: Cameron Crum Sent: Monday, March 30, 2020 9:06 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query I guess it all depends on upbringing. My father was a D1 football scholarship athlete and got a BSEE and MS in biomedical engineering in addition to being a fighter pilot. My grandfather was also a highshool athlete who got a deferred congressional nomination to the Naval Academy, but ended up going to Univ. of Akron instead and graduated with a BSEE. He ended up being one of Werner Von Braun's best friends and they did a lot of work on missiles and rockets together. I was a three sport athlete in HS and had offers for football and soccer for college. I ended up taking a soccer scholarship mostly because I had a neck injury that I was afraid would be compounded if I played college level football. I ended up with a BSEE as well. I'm 48 and still play organized soccer at least once and sometimes twice a week. We aren't all troglodytes. On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 6:44 PM Robert wrote: Truth is always the funniest! On 3/29/20 3:50 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: > Now THAT is funny. > > -Original Message- From: Robert Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2020 > 3:40 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query > Or..."Why Google fails at so many new projects..." > > On 3/29/20 2:31 PM, Larry Smith wrote: >> On Sun March 29 2020 14:49, can...@believewireless.net wrote: >>> And we all know plenty of people with advanced degrees and perfect GPAs >>> that went no where. >> We used to call them paper tigers, loads of degrees and certifications, >> but could not do the actual job. >> > > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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Chuck, were you around Utah when Steen was making the splash around
southern Utah?
On 3/30/20 8:43 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
I envy the role models you had.
I came from dirt farmers, we lived in an unpainted house and the
bathroom was a little building up the hill out the back door.
Electricity is magic.
*From:* Cameron Crum
*Sent:* Monday, March 30, 2020 9:40 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query
LOL! You might be on to something.
On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 10:37 AM wrote:
But just think though, without the sports you could have been
successful!
*From:* Cameron Crum
*Sent:* Monday, March 30, 2020 9:06 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query
I guess it all depends on upbringing. My father was a D1 football
scholarship athlete and got a BSEE and MS in biomedical
engineering in addition to being a fighter pilot. My grandfather
was also a highshool athlete who got a deferred congressional
nomination to the Naval Academy, but ended up going to Univ. of
Akron instead and graduated with a BSEE. He ended up being one of
Werner Von Braun's best friends and they did a lot of work on
missiles and rockets together. I was a three sport athlete in HS
and had offers for football and soccer for college. I ended up
taking a soccer scholarship mostly because I had a neck injury
that I was afraid would be compounded if I played college level
football. I ended up with a BSEE as well. I'm 48 and still play
organized soccer at least once and sometimes twice a week. We
aren't all troglodytes.
On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 6:44 PM Robert wrote:
Truth is always the funniest!
On 3/29/20 3:50 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> Now THAT is funny.
>
> -Original Message- From: Robert Sent: Sunday, March
29, 2020
> 3:40 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT an
honest query
> Or... "Why Google fails at so many new projects..."
>
> On 3/29/20 2:31 PM, Larry Smith wrote:
>> On Sun March 29 2020 14:49, can...@believewireless.net wrote:
>>> And we all know plenty of people with advanced degrees and
perfect GPAs
>>> that went no where.
>> We used to call them paper tigers, loads of degrees and
certifications,
>> but could not do the actual job.
>>
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query
Yeah, it was pretty amazing. One of the reasons my grandfather got the academy recommendation is because he built his one generator out of a tractor motor and sold electricity to his nearby neighbors for $0.25 per lightbulb/month when he was 17. He grew up in a house with a dirt floor and no electricity in eastern KY with 13 brothers and sisters. His father was a cooper. He was a huge influence on my life. I think sometimes it takes upbringings like yours and his to really foster that creative "gene". When you have to build or make everything you have, you teach yourself a lot. On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 10:44 AM wrote: > I envy the role models you had. > > I came from dirt farmers, we lived in an unpainted house and the bathroom > was a little building up the hill out the back door. Electricity is magic. > > *From:* Cameron Crum > *Sent:* Monday, March 30, 2020 9:40 AM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query > > LOL! You might be on to something. > > On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 10:37 AM wrote: > >> But just think though, without the sports you could have been successful! >> >> *From:* Cameron Crum >> *Sent:* Monday, March 30, 2020 9:06 AM >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query >> >> I guess it all depends on upbringing. My father was a D1 football >> scholarship athlete and got a BSEE and MS in biomedical engineering in >> addition to being a fighter pilot. My grandfather was also a highshool >> athlete who got a deferred congressional nomination to the Naval Academy, >> but ended up going to Univ. of Akron instead and graduated with a BSEE. He >> ended up being one of Werner Von Braun's best friends and they did a lot of >> work on missiles and rockets together. I was a three sport athlete in HS >> and had offers for football and soccer for college. I ended up taking a >> soccer scholarship mostly because I had a neck injury that I was afraid >> would be compounded if I played college level football. I ended up with a >> BSEE as well. I'm 48 and still play organized soccer at least once and >> sometimes twice a week. We aren't all troglodytes. >> >> >> On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 6:44 PM Robert wrote: >> >>> Truth is always the funniest! >>> >>> On 3/29/20 3:50 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: >>> > Now THAT is funny. >>> > >>> > -Original Message- From: Robert Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2020 >>> > 3:40 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query >>> > Or..."Why Google fails at so many new projects..." >>> > >>> > On 3/29/20 2:31 PM, Larry Smith wrote: >>> >> On Sun March 29 2020 14:49, can...@believewireless.net wrote: >>> >>> And we all know plenty of people with advanced degrees and perfect >>> GPAs >>> >>> that went no where. >>> >> We used to call them paper tigers, loads of degrees and >>> certifications, >>> >> but could not do the actual job. >>> >> >>> > >>> > >>> >>> >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> AF@af.afmug.com >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >> -- >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> > -- > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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I envy the role models you had. I came from dirt farmers, we lived in an unpainted house and the bathroom was a little building up the hill out the back door. Electricity is magic. From: Cameron Crum Sent: Monday, March 30, 2020 9:40 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query LOL! You might be on to something. On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 10:37 AM wrote: But just think though, without the sports you could have been successful! From: Cameron Crum Sent: Monday, March 30, 2020 9:06 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query I guess it all depends on upbringing. My father was a D1 football scholarship athlete and got a BSEE and MS in biomedical engineering in addition to being a fighter pilot. My grandfather was also a highshool athlete who got a deferred congressional nomination to the Naval Academy, but ended up going to Univ. of Akron instead and graduated with a BSEE. He ended up being one of Werner Von Braun's best friends and they did a lot of work on missiles and rockets together. I was a three sport athlete in HS and had offers for football and soccer for college. I ended up taking a soccer scholarship mostly because I had a neck injury that I was afraid would be compounded if I played college level football. I ended up with a BSEE as well. I'm 48 and still play organized soccer at least once and sometimes twice a week. We aren't all troglodytes. On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 6:44 PM Robert wrote: Truth is always the funniest! On 3/29/20 3:50 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: > Now THAT is funny. > > -Original Message- From: Robert Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2020 > 3:40 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query > Or..."Why Google fails at so many new projects..." > > On 3/29/20 2:31 PM, Larry Smith wrote: >> On Sun March 29 2020 14:49, can...@believewireless.net wrote: >>> And we all know plenty of people with advanced degrees and perfect GPAs >>> that went no where. >> We used to call them paper tigers, loads of degrees and certifications, >> but could not do the actual job. >> > > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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LOL! You might be on to something. On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 10:37 AM wrote: > But just think though, without the sports you could have been successful! > > *From:* Cameron Crum > *Sent:* Monday, March 30, 2020 9:06 AM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query > > I guess it all depends on upbringing. My father was a D1 football > scholarship athlete and got a BSEE and MS in biomedical engineering in > addition to being a fighter pilot. My grandfather was also a highshool > athlete who got a deferred congressional nomination to the Naval Academy, > but ended up going to Univ. of Akron instead and graduated with a BSEE. He > ended up being one of Werner Von Braun's best friends and they did a lot of > work on missiles and rockets together. I was a three sport athlete in HS > and had offers for football and soccer for college. I ended up taking a > soccer scholarship mostly because I had a neck injury that I was afraid > would be compounded if I played college level football. I ended up with a > BSEE as well. I'm 48 and still play organized soccer at least once and > sometimes twice a week. We aren't all troglodytes. > > > On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 6:44 PM Robert wrote: > >> Truth is always the funniest! >> >> On 3/29/20 3:50 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: >> > Now THAT is funny. >> > >> > -----Original Message- From: Robert Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2020 >> > 3:40 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query >> > Or..."Why Google fails at so many new projects..." >> > >> > On 3/29/20 2:31 PM, Larry Smith wrote: >> >> On Sun March 29 2020 14:49, can...@believewireless.net wrote: >> >>> And we all know plenty of people with advanced degrees and perfect >> GPAs >> >>> that went no where. >> >> We used to call them paper tigers, loads of degrees and certifications, >> >> but could not do the actual job. >> >> >> > >> > >> >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> > -- > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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But just think though, without the sports you could have been successful! From: Cameron Crum Sent: Monday, March 30, 2020 9:06 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query I guess it all depends on upbringing. My father was a D1 football scholarship athlete and got a BSEE and MS in biomedical engineering in addition to being a fighter pilot. My grandfather was also a highshool athlete who got a deferred congressional nomination to the Naval Academy, but ended up going to Univ. of Akron instead and graduated with a BSEE. He ended up being one of Werner Von Braun's best friends and they did a lot of work on missiles and rockets together. I was a three sport athlete in HS and had offers for football and soccer for college. I ended up taking a soccer scholarship mostly because I had a neck injury that I was afraid would be compounded if I played college level football. I ended up with a BSEE as well. I'm 48 and still play organized soccer at least once and sometimes twice a week. We aren't all troglodytes. On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 6:44 PM Robert wrote: Truth is always the funniest! On 3/29/20 3:50 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: > Now THAT is funny. > > -Original Message- From: Robert Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2020 > 3:40 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query > Or..."Why Google fails at so many new projects..." > > On 3/29/20 2:31 PM, Larry Smith wrote: >> On Sun March 29 2020 14:49, can...@believewireless.net wrote: >>> And we all know plenty of people with advanced degrees and perfect GPAs >>> that went no where. >> We used to call them paper tigers, loads of degrees and certifications, >> but could not do the actual job. >> > > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query
I guess it all depends on upbringing. My father was a D1 football scholarship athlete and got a BSEE and MS in biomedical engineering in addition to being a fighter pilot. My grandfather was also a highshool athlete who got a deferred congressional nomination to the Naval Academy, but ended up going to Univ. of Akron instead and graduated with a BSEE. He ended up being one of Werner Von Braun's best friends and they did a lot of work on missiles and rockets together. I was a three sport athlete in HS and had offers for football and soccer for college. I ended up taking a soccer scholarship mostly because I had a neck injury that I was afraid would be compounded if I played college level football. I ended up with a BSEE as well. I'm 48 and still play organized soccer at least once and sometimes twice a week. We aren't all troglodytes. On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 6:44 PM Robert wrote: > Truth is always the funniest! > > On 3/29/20 3:50 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: > > Now THAT is funny. > > > > -Original Message- From: Robert Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2020 > > 3:40 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query > > Or..."Why Google fails at so many new projects..." > > > > On 3/29/20 2:31 PM, Larry Smith wrote: > >> On Sun March 29 2020 14:49, can...@believewireless.net wrote: > >>> And we all know plenty of people with advanced degrees and perfect GPAs > >>> that went no where. > >> We used to call them paper tigers, loads of degrees and certifications, > >> but could not do the actual job. > >> > > > > > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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Truth is always the funniest! On 3/29/20 3:50 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Now THAT is funny. -Original Message- From: Robert Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2020 3:40 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query Or... "Why Google fails at so many new projects..." On 3/29/20 2:31 PM, Larry Smith wrote: On Sun March 29 2020 14:49, can...@believewireless.net wrote: And we all know plenty of people with advanced degrees and perfect GPAs that went no where. We used to call them paper tigers, loads of degrees and certifications, but could not do the actual job. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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Hire a moron and have him watch 17 TED talks. https://dilbert.com/strip/2020-03-25 (you have to read the strips from the next few days also) -Original Message- From: AF On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2020 5:51 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query Now THAT is funny. -Original Message- From: Robert Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2020 3:40 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query Or..."Why Google fails at so many new projects..." On 3/29/20 2:31 PM, Larry Smith wrote: > On Sun March 29 2020 14:49, can...@believewireless.net wrote: >> And we all know plenty of people with advanced degrees and perfect >> GPAs that went no where. > We used to call them paper tigers, loads of degrees and > certifications, but could not do the actual job. > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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Now THAT is funny. -Original Message- From: Robert Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2020 3:40 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query Or..."Why Google fails at so many new projects..." On 3/29/20 2:31 PM, Larry Smith wrote: On Sun March 29 2020 14:49, can...@believewireless.net wrote: And we all know plenty of people with advanced degrees and perfect GPAs that went no where. We used to call them paper tigers, loads of degrees and certifications, but could not do the actual job. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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Or... "Why Google fails at so many new projects..." On 3/29/20 2:31 PM, Larry Smith wrote: On Sun March 29 2020 14:49, can...@believewireless.net wrote: And we all know plenty of people with advanced degrees and perfect GPAs that went no where. We used to call them paper tigers, loads of degrees and certifications, but could not do the actual job. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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On Sun March 29 2020 14:49, can...@believewireless.net wrote: > And we all know plenty of people with advanced degrees and perfect GPAs > that went no where. We used to call them paper tigers, loads of degrees and certifications, but could not do the actual job. -- Larry Smith lesm...@ecsis.net -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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Now the are all WISPS.. On 03/29/2020 01:08 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Used to be if you could find a farm kid that was also a ham it would be a good hire. *From:* can...@believewireless.net *Sent:* Sunday, March 29, 2020 1:49 PM *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query I don't think there has been a good predictor found of wealth or success. (GPA, college degree, MBA, etc.) But you can see people in your field that you would say, I'd hire them in a second. They may have been high school/college dropouts, low GPA, no sports ability, etc. If you had looked over their resume early in their career, you may have passed them over. And we all know plenty of people with advanced degrees and perfect GPAs that went no where. On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 3:08 PM wrote: I have known some sales engineers and field application engineers that have done very very well. *From:* Ken Hohhof *Sent:* Sunday, March 29, 2020 12:32 PM *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query One of my roommates in college was also an engineering student, but not a very good student. Later he attributed his success in life to his poor GPA. He couldn’t land a regular engineering design job (didn’t help there was a recession on), so he settled for a job as an applications engineer or sales engineer. Within a few years he had his own company. Probably the most successful of any in our group. https://www.linkedin.com/in/wmtjones *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett *Sent:* Sunday, March 29, 2020 12:58 PM *To:* af@af.afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query In gym class I was never an early draft. Usually near the last. I did play on local soccer and football leagues, but never stood out. I did it because everyone else did it, and the parents said I had to do something extracurricular. This is a bit of an embarrassing story, but when I joined the local Pop Warner football team I didn't know any of the rules to football. Soccer was simple to muddle through --kick towards the other goal, don't use hands. Football has a lot of rules. The coaches never explained how to actually play and I never asked. I just sort of tried to emulate the kids around me to get through the games. I never figured out what a "down" was until I was in high school. I haven't stayed in touch with any of the school athletes so I couldn't say how they're doing in life. On 3/29/2020 1:07 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Since we are all successful techno nerds here, I am wondering: Back in the day, when you lined up and a couple of troglodytes were assigned the task of picking people for their teams, how near the front were you picked? I was frequently next to last. Better than being last. The troglodytes that I know have not really had great lives. Multiple spouses, menial jobs etc. Who won? -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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Used to be if you could find a farm kid that was also a ham it would be a good hire. From: can...@believewireless.net Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2020 1:49 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query I don't think there has been a good predictor found of wealth or success. (GPA, college degree, MBA, etc.) But you can see people in your field that you would say, I'd hire them in a second. They may have been high school/college dropouts, low GPA, no sports ability, etc. If you had looked over their resume early in their career, you may have passed them over. And we all know plenty of people with advanced degrees and perfect GPAs that went no where. On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 3:08 PM wrote: I have known some sales engineers and field application engineers that have done very very well. From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2020 12:32 PM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query One of my roommates in college was also an engineering student, but not a very good student. Later he attributed his success in life to his poor GPA. He couldn’t land a regular engineering design job (didn’t help there was a recession on), so he settled for a job as an applications engineer or sales engineer. Within a few years he had his own company. Probably the most successful of any in our group. https://www.linkedin.com/in/wmtjones From: AF On Behalf Of Adam Moffett Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2020 12:58 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query In gym class I was never an early draft. Usually near the last. I did play on local soccer and football leagues, but never stood out. I did it because everyone else did it, and the parents said I had to do something extracurricular. This is a bit of an embarrassing story, but when I joined the local Pop Warner football team I didn't know any of the rules to football. Soccer was simple to muddle through --kick towards the other goal, don't use hands. Football has a lot of rules. The coaches never explained how to actually play and I never asked. I just sort of tried to emulate the kids around me to get through the games. I never figured out what a "down" was until I was in high school. I haven't stayed in touch with any of the school athletes so I couldn't say how they're doing in life. On 3/29/2020 1:07 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Since we are all successful techno nerds here, I am wondering: Back in the day, when you lined up and a couple of troglodytes were assigned the task of picking people for their teams, how near the front were you picked? I was frequently next to last. Better than being last. The troglodytes that I know have not really had great lives. Multiple spouses, menial jobs etc. Who won? -- -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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I don't think there has been a good predictor found of wealth or success. (GPA, college degree, MBA, etc.) But you can see people in your field that you would say, I'd hire them in a second. They may have been high school/college dropouts, low GPA, no sports ability, etc. If you had looked over their resume early in their career, you may have passed them over. And we all know plenty of people with advanced degrees and perfect GPAs that went no where. On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 3:08 PM wrote: > I have known some sales engineers and field application engineers that > have done very very well. > > *From:* Ken Hohhof > *Sent:* Sunday, March 29, 2020 12:32 PM > *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query > > > One of my roommates in college was also an engineering student, but not a > very good student. Later he attributed his success in life to his poor > GPA. He couldn’t land a regular engineering design job (didn’t help there > was a recession on), so he settled for a job as an applications engineer or > sales engineer. Within a few years he had his own company. Probably the > most successful of any in our group. > > > > https://www.linkedin.com/in/wmtjones > > > > > > *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett > *Sent:* Sunday, March 29, 2020 12:58 PM > *To:* af@af.afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query > > > > In gym class I was never an early draft. Usually near the last. > > I did play on local soccer and football leagues, but never stood out. I > did it because everyone else did it, and the parents said I had to do > something extracurricular. This is a bit of an embarrassing story, but > when I joined the local Pop Warner football team I didn't know any of the > rules to football. Soccer was simple to muddle through --kick towards the > other goal, don't use hands. Football has a lot of rules. The coaches > never explained how to actually play and I never asked. I just sort of > tried to emulate the kids around me to get through the games. I never > figured out what a "down" was until I was in high school. > > I haven't stayed in touch with any of the school athletes so I couldn't > say how they're doing in life. > > > > On 3/29/2020 1:07 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: > > Since we are all successful techno nerds here, I am wondering: > > > > Back in the day, when you lined up and a couple of troglodytes were > assigned the task of picking people for their teams, how near the front > were you picked? > > > > I was frequently next to last. Better than being last. > > The troglodytes that I know have not really had great lives. Multiple > spouses, menial jobs etc. > > > > Who won? > > > > -- > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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I have known some sales engineers and field application engineers that have done very very well. From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2020 12:32 PM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query One of my roommates in college was also an engineering student, but not a very good student. Later he attributed his success in life to his poor GPA. He couldn’t land a regular engineering design job (didn’t help there was a recession on), so he settled for a job as an applications engineer or sales engineer. Within a few years he had his own company. Probably the most successful of any in our group. https://www.linkedin.com/in/wmtjones From: AF On Behalf Of Adam Moffett Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2020 12:58 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query In gym class I was never an early draft. Usually near the last. I did play on local soccer and football leagues, but never stood out. I did it because everyone else did it, and the parents said I had to do something extracurricular. This is a bit of an embarrassing story, but when I joined the local Pop Warner football team I didn't know any of the rules to football. Soccer was simple to muddle through --kick towards the other goal, don't use hands. Football has a lot of rules. The coaches never explained how to actually play and I never asked. I just sort of tried to emulate the kids around me to get through the games. I never figured out what a "down" was until I was in high school. I haven't stayed in touch with any of the school athletes so I couldn't say how they're doing in life. On 3/29/2020 1:07 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Since we are all successful techno nerds here, I am wondering: Back in the day, when you lined up and a couple of troglodytes were assigned the task of picking people for their teams, how near the front were you picked? I was frequently next to last. Better than being last. The troglodytes that I know have not really had great lives. Multiple spouses, menial jobs etc. Who won? -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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One of my roommates in college was also an engineering student, but not a very good student. Later he attributed his success in life to his poor GPA. He couldn't land a regular engineering design job (didn't help there was a recession on), so he settled for a job as an applications engineer or sales engineer. Within a few years he had his own company. Probably the most successful of any in our group. https://www.linkedin.com/in/wmtjones From: AF On Behalf Of Adam Moffett Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2020 12:58 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT an honest query In gym class I was never an early draft. Usually near the last. I did play on local soccer and football leagues, but never stood out. I did it because everyone else did it, and the parents said I had to do something extracurricular. This is a bit of an embarrassing story, but when I joined the local Pop Warner football team I didn't know any of the rules to football. Soccer was simple to muddle through --kick towards the other goal, don't use hands. Football has a lot of rules. The coaches never explained how to actually play and I never asked. I just sort of tried to emulate the kids around me to get through the games. I never figured out what a "down" was until I was in high school. I haven't stayed in touch with any of the school athletes so I couldn't say how they're doing in life. On 3/29/2020 1:07 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: Since we are all successful techno nerds here, I am wondering: Back in the day, when you lined up and a couple of troglodytes were assigned the task of picking people for their teams, how near the front were you picked? I was frequently next to last. Better than being last. The troglodytes that I know have not really had great lives. Multiple spouses, menial jobs etc. Who won? -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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In gym class I was never an early draft. Usually near the last. I did play on local soccer and football leagues, but never stood out. I did it because everyone else did it, and the parents said I had to do something extracurricular. This is a bit of an embarrassing story, but when I joined the local Pop Warner football team I didn't know any of the rules to football. Soccer was simple to muddle through --kick towards the other goal, don't use hands. Football has a lot of rules. The coaches never explained how to actually play and I never asked. I just sort of tried to emulate the kids around me to get through the games. I never figured out what a "down" was until I was in high school. I haven't stayed in touch with any of the school athletes so I couldn't say how they're doing in life. On 3/29/2020 1:07 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Since we are all successful techno nerds here, I am wondering: Back in the day, when you lined up and a couple of troglodytes were assigned the task of picking people for their teams, how near the front were you picked? I was frequently next to last. Better than being last. The troglodytes that I know have not really had great lives. Multiple spouses, menial jobs etc. Who won? -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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I think people who like attention and try to impress people, live the most miserable lives. Those with the most true success typically avoid the limelight and attention because they're too busy succeeding and changing the world. So the jocks or whoever you're referencing peak in highschool. After graduating, they don't get too far as they don't rule the kingdom of anymore once they reach the adult world. Of course this is a stereotype not everyone fits but I'd say there's a 50% chance it holds true. I was picked in the last half for dodgeball mostly because I can't throw the ball hard or accurately. I never got bullied and our school was small enough everyone knew everyone. One thing I did notice is about 5 of the top 10 smartest people GPA wise aren't doing anything with their life yet at 28 years old. One is working at target as a stocker, another works as a hotel desk clerk, another is a tutor and part time piano teacher. These were people with 3.99 or 4.0 GPA's and they went to a 4 year college. I think some people get into such a routine in K-12 that they don't know what to do without structure after they graduate. And the cliques are gone too so they don't have friends building up their confidence. On Sun, Mar 29, 2020, 12:29 PM justsumname . wrote: > I came from a family background of various starvationings. Now the > democrat party calls me a domestic terrorist but they still want my money > and they don't care about my life. > Nobody ever picked me except to do their school work for them. > > -- > > > On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 1:08 PM wrote: > >> Since we are all successful techno nerds here, I am wondering: >> >> Back in the day, when you lined up and a couple of troglodytes were >> assigned the task of picking people for their teams, how near the front >> were you picked? >> >> I was frequently next to last. Better than being last. >> The troglodytes that I know have not really had great lives. Multiple >> spouses, menial jobs etc. >> >> Who won? >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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I did do homework and science projects for troglodytes for money. Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 29, 2020, at 11:29 AM, justsumname . wrote: > > > I came from a family background of various starvationings. Now the democrat > party calls me a domestic terrorist but they still want my money and they > don't care about my life. > Nobody ever picked me except to do their school work for them. > > -- > > >> On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 1:08 PM wrote: >> Since we are all successful techno nerds here, I am wondering: >> >> Back in the day, when you lined up and a couple of troglodytes were assigned >> the task of picking people for their teams, how near the front were you >> picked? >> >> I was frequently next to last. Better than being last. >> The troglodytes that I know have not really had great lives. Multiple >> spouses, menial jobs etc. >> >> Who won? >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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I came from a family background of various starvationings. Now the democrat party calls me a domestic terrorist but they still want my money and they don't care about my life. Nobody ever picked me except to do their school work for them. -- On Sun, Mar 29, 2020 at 1:08 PM wrote: > Since we are all successful techno nerds here, I am wondering: > > Back in the day, when you lined up and a couple of troglodytes were > assigned the task of picking people for their teams, how near the front > were you picked? > > I was frequently next to last. Better than being last. > The troglodytes that I know have not really had great lives. Multiple > spouses, menial jobs etc. > > Who won? > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
[AFMUG] OT an honest query
Since we are all successful techno nerds here, I am wondering: Back in the day, when you lined up and a couple of troglodytes were assigned the task of picking people for their teams, how near the front were you picked? I was frequently next to last. Better than being last. The troglodytes that I know have not really had great lives. Multiple spouses, menial jobs etc. Who won?-- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
