Re: [AFMUG] Reselling Electricity
The noise reminds me of a washing machine. Or maybe the gloppita gloppita machine from How To Murder Your Wife. From: AF On Behalf Of Rory Conaway Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2019 2:18 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Reselling Electricity The affect of windmills goes beyond the 140-330K or so they directly kill every year. The noise is affecting mating for them as well as other species. I’m all for solar assuming they get Peroksvite cranked up soon but I’m not a fan of windmills. Rory From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf Of Adam Moffett Sent: Friday, August 23, 2019 9:52 AM To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Reselling Electricity I read an article once which claimed that to satisfy worldwide electric demand via wind alone would require extracting 100% of the energy from the wind. That is to say, it would require stopping the wind. -Adam On 8/22/2019 5:25 PM, Bill Prince wrote: I am unschooled in this, but since windmills extract energy from wind, they would actually DECREASE wind locally. Might be pretty hard to measure though. bp On 8/22/2019 2:18 PM, Carl Peterson wrote: I believe that mountain lions go downwind to stalk their prey. Is there any chance that the increased wind caused by the windmills has led to an influx of mountain lions because their prey is easier to stalk? Somebody should look into this. On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 4:08 PM Carl Peterson mailto:cpeter...@portnetworks.com> > wrote: Thats completely bogus. Windmills don't attract cats. The wind from the windmills blows away the smell of predators which causes the mice and birds to come out. Its the mice and birds that attract the cats. On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 4:04 PM Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > wrote: Well I hear that windmills attract cats. Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 22, 2019, at 2:15 PM, Bill Prince <mailto:part15...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > Based upon what I've read, the danger to birds is way, way overstated. > Probably at least an order of magnitude. Cats are far more dangerous to birds. > > > bp > > >> On 8/22/2019 1:10 PM, Robert Andrews wrote: >> You are diving down on a mouse that was disturbed by the tip vortex off a >> 300mph passing blade tip and swap... 300mph _next_ blade tip knocks you >> into oblivion... >> >>> On 08/22/2019 01:01 PM, Mathew Howard wrote: >>> Well, that explains the bats, but what about the raptors? Do they just die >>> from disgust because they think it's an eyesore? >>> >>> On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 6:53 PM Chuck McCown >> <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> >>> >> wrote: >>> >>> There is a low pressure zone on the lee side of the blade that >>> apparently is >>> dramatic enough of a pressure change to cause some kind of lung >>> damage to >>> bats. >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: Robert Andrews >>> Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2019 5:27 PM >>> To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> <mailto:af@af.afmug.com >>> <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Reselling Electricity >>> >>> That was back in 2012, and the blades were 75 Meters now blades are >>> exceeding 104 Meters >>> >>> On 08/21/2019 04:23 PM, Robert Andrews wrote: >>> > Ummm blade tip speed is still pretty darn high. Just because >>> it looks >>> > slow doesn't mean that it is... 180Mph... >>> > >>> > >>> https://gizmodo.com/the-worlds-biggest-wind-turbine-blades-are-so-long-thei-5930272 >>> > >>> > On 08/21/2019 04:13 PM, Bill Prince wrote: >>> >> Not the new giant ones. They move very slowly & the birds & bats >>> just fly >>> >> around them. >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> bp >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> On 8/21/2019 3:11 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: >>> >>> Wind kills bats and raptors and migratory waterfowl >>> >> >>> > >>> >>> -- AF mailing list >>> AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com >>> <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> > >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >>> >>> -- AF mailing list >>
Re: [AFMUG] Reselling Electricity
It seems odd that if you get oil on the feathers of a common sparrow (of which there are hundreds of millions) it has to be reported to the EPA. If windmills knock 1000 eagles out of the air nobody gives two cents. A friend with a bunch of windmills on a ranchette of his was asked to stop field dressing dear in a location between two windmills because the buzzards it attracted were getting killed with great regularity. On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 2:18 PM Rory Conaway wrote: > The affect of windmills goes beyond the 140-330K or so they directly kill > every year. The noise is affecting mating for them as well as other > species. I’m all for solar assuming they get Peroksvite cranked up soon > but I’m not a fan of windmills. > > > > Rory > > > > *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett > *Sent:* Friday, August 23, 2019 9:52 AM > *To:* af@af.afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Reselling Electricity > > > > I read an article once which claimed that to satisfy worldwide electric > demand via wind alone would require extracting 100% of the energy from the > wind. That is to say, it would require stopping the wind. > > -Adam > > On 8/22/2019 5:25 PM, Bill Prince wrote: > > I am unschooled in this, but since windmills extract energy from wind, > they would actually DECREASE wind locally. Might be pretty hard to measure > though. > > > > bp > > > > > > On 8/22/2019 2:18 PM, Carl Peterson wrote: > > I believe that mountain lions go downwind to stalk their prey. Is there > any chance that the increased wind caused by the windmills has led to an > influx of mountain lions because their prey is easier to stalk? Somebody > should look into this. > > > > On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 4:08 PM Carl Peterson > wrote: > > Thats completely bogus. Windmills don't attract cats. The wind from the > windmills blows away the smell of predators which causes the mice and birds > to come out. Its the mice and birds that attract the cats. > > > > On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 4:04 PM Chuck McCown wrote: > > Well I hear that windmills attract cats. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Aug 22, 2019, at 2:15 PM, Bill Prince wrote: > > > > Based upon what I've read, the danger to birds is way, way overstated. > Probably at least an order of magnitude. Cats are far more dangerous to > birds. > > > > > > bp > > > > > >> On 8/22/2019 1:10 PM, Robert Andrews wrote: > >> You are diving down on a mouse that was disturbed by the tip vortex off > a 300mph passing blade tip and swap... 300mph _next_ blade tip knocks you > into oblivion... > >> > >>> On 08/22/2019 01:01 PM, Mathew Howard wrote: > >>> Well, that explains the bats, but what about the raptors? Do they just > die from disgust because they think it's an eyesore? > >>> > >>> On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 6:53 PM Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote: > >>> > >>> There is a low pressure zone on the lee side of the blade that > >>> apparently is > >>> dramatic enough of a pressure change to cause some kind of lung > >>> damage to > >>> bats. > >>> > >>> -Original Message- > >>> From: Robert Andrews > >>> Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2019 5:27 PM > >>> To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Reselling Electricity > >>> > >>> That was back in 2012, and the blades were 75 Meters now blades are > >>> exceeding 104 Meters > >>> > >>> On 08/21/2019 04:23 PM, Robert Andrews wrote: > >>> > Ummm blade tip speed is still pretty darn high. Just because > >>> it looks > >>> > slow doesn't mean that it is... 180Mph... > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > https://gizmodo.com/the-worlds-biggest-wind-turbine-blades-are-so-long-thei-5930272 > >>> > > >>> > On 08/21/2019 04:13 PM, Bill Prince wrote: > >>> >> Not the new giant ones. They move very slowly & the birds & > bats > >>> just fly > >>> >> around them. > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> bp > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> On 8/21/2019 3:11 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: > >>> >>> Wind kills bats and raptors and migratory waterfowl > >>> >> > >>>
Re: [AFMUG] Reselling Electricity
The affect of windmills goes beyond the 140-330K or so they directly kill every year. The noise is affecting mating for them as well as other species. I’m all for solar assuming they get Peroksvite cranked up soon but I’m not a fan of windmills. Rory From: AF On Behalf Of Adam Moffett Sent: Friday, August 23, 2019 9:52 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Reselling Electricity I read an article once which claimed that to satisfy worldwide electric demand via wind alone would require extracting 100% of the energy from the wind. That is to say, it would require stopping the wind. -Adam On 8/22/2019 5:25 PM, Bill Prince wrote: I am unschooled in this, but since windmills extract energy from wind, they would actually DECREASE wind locally. Might be pretty hard to measure though. bp On 8/22/2019 2:18 PM, Carl Peterson wrote: I believe that mountain lions go downwind to stalk their prey. Is there any chance that the increased wind caused by the windmills has led to an influx of mountain lions because their prey is easier to stalk? Somebody should look into this. On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 4:08 PM Carl Peterson mailto:cpeter...@portnetworks.com>> wrote: Thats completely bogus. Windmills don't attract cats. The wind from the windmills blows away the smell of predators which causes the mice and birds to come out. Its the mice and birds that attract the cats. On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 4:04 PM Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote: Well I hear that windmills attract cats. Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 22, 2019, at 2:15 PM, Bill Prince > mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > Based upon what I've read, the danger to birds is way, way overstated. > Probably at least an order of magnitude. Cats are far more dangerous to birds. > > > bp > > >> On 8/22/2019 1:10 PM, Robert Andrews wrote: >> You are diving down on a mouse that was disturbed by the tip vortex off a >> 300mph passing blade tip and swap... 300mph _next_ blade tip knocks you >> into oblivion... >> >>> On 08/22/2019 01:01 PM, Mathew Howard wrote: >>> Well, that explains the bats, but what about the raptors? Do they just die >>> from disgust because they think it's an eyesore? >>> >>> On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 6:53 PM Chuck McCown >>> mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> >>> <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>>> wrote: >>> >>> There is a low pressure zone on the lee side of the blade that >>> apparently is >>> dramatic enough of a pressure change to cause some kind of lung >>> damage to >>> bats. >>> >>> -----Original Message- >>> From: Robert Andrews >>> Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2019 5:27 PM >>> To: af@af.afmug.com<mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >>> <mailto:af@af.afmug.com<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Reselling Electricity >>> >>> That was back in 2012, and the blades were 75 Meters now blades are >>> exceeding 104 Meters >>> >>> On 08/21/2019 04:23 PM, Robert Andrews wrote: >>> > Ummm blade tip speed is still pretty darn high. Just because >>> it looks >>> > slow doesn't mean that it is... 180Mph... >>> > >>> > >>> https://gizmodo.com/the-worlds-biggest-wind-turbine-blades-are-so-long-thei-5930272 >>> > >>> > On 08/21/2019 04:13 PM, Bill Prince wrote: >>> >> Not the new giant ones. They move very slowly & the birds & bats >>> just fly >>> >> around them. >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> bp >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> On 8/21/2019 3:11 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: >>> >>> Wind kills bats and raptors and migratory waterfowl >>> >> >>> > >>> >>> -- AF mailing list >>> AF@af.afmug.com<mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> >>> <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com<mailto:AF@af.afmug.com>> >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >>> >>> -- AF mailing list >>> AF@af.afmug.com<mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> >>> <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com<mailto:AF@af.afmug.com>> >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >>> >>> >> > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com<mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com<mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- Carl Peterson PORT NETWORKS 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 Baltimore, MD 21202 (410) 637-3707 -- Carl Peterson PORT NETWORKS 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 Baltimore, MD 21202 (410) 637-3707 -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Reselling Electricity
I am sure there will be continual advancements in solar panel efficiencies and lowering of cost per watt. Solar is practical for powering most things. We will always need to fire up the coal, oil, natural gas, nuclear, or hydro for smelting aluminum etc. From: Carl Peterson Sent: Friday, August 23, 2019 11:00 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Reselling Electricity Their must have been some other assumptions. Total usage is something like 10tw and average wind energy available under 100m is somewhere around 250tw. Obviously you could never capture all that energy. On Fri, Aug 23, 2019 at 11:53 AM Adam Moffett wrote: I read an article once which claimed that to satisfy worldwide electric demand via wind alone would require extracting 100% of the energy from the wind. That is to say, it would require stopping the wind. -Adam On 8/22/2019 5:25 PM, Bill Prince wrote: I am unschooled in this, but since windmills extract energy from wind, they would actually DECREASE wind locally. Might be pretty hard to measure though. bp On 8/22/2019 2:18 PM, Carl Peterson wrote: I believe that mountain lions go downwind to stalk their prey. Is there any chance that the increased wind caused by the windmills has led to an influx of mountain lions because their prey is easier to stalk? Somebody should look into this. On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 4:08 PM Carl Peterson wrote: Thats completely bogus. Windmills don't attract cats. The wind from the windmills blows away the smell of predators which causes the mice and birds to come out. Its the mice and birds that attract the cats. On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 4:04 PM Chuck McCown wrote: Well I hear that windmills attract cats. Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 22, 2019, at 2:15 PM, Bill Prince wrote: > > Based upon what I've read, the danger to birds is way, way overstated. Probably at least an order of magnitude. Cats are far more dangerous to birds. > > > bp > > >> On 8/22/2019 1:10 PM, Robert Andrews wrote: >> You are diving down on a mouse that was disturbed by the tip vortex off a 300mph passing blade tip and swap... 300mph _next_ blade tip knocks you into oblivion... >> >>> On 08/22/2019 01:01 PM, Mathew Howard wrote: >>> Well, that explains the bats, but what about the raptors? Do they just die from disgust because they think it's an eyesore? >>> >>> On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 6:53 PM Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote: >>> >>> There is a low pressure zone on the lee side of the blade that >>> apparently is >>> dramatic enough of a pressure change to cause some kind of lung >>> damage to >>> bats. >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: Robert Andrews >>> Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2019 5:27 PM >>> To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Reselling Electricity >>> >>> That was back in 2012, and the blades were 75 Meters now blades are >>> exceeding 104 Meters >>> >>> On 08/21/2019 04:23 PM, Robert Andrews wrote: >>> > Ummm blade tip speed is still pretty darn high. Just because >>> it looks >>> > slow doesn't mean that it is... 180Mph... >>> > >>> > >>> https://gizmodo.com/the-worlds-biggest-wind-turbine-blades-are-so-long-thei-5930272 >>> > >>> > On 08/21/2019 04:13 PM, Bill Prince wrote: >>> >> Not the new giant ones. They move very slowly & the birds & bats >>> just fly >>> >> around them. >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> bp >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> On 8/21/2019 3:11 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: >>> >>> Wind kills bats and raptors and migratory waterfowl >>> >> >>> > >>> >>> -- AF mailing list >>> AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> >>> ht
Re: [AFMUG] Reselling Electricity
Their must have been some other assumptions. Total usage is something like 10tw and average wind energy available under 100m is somewhere around 250tw. Obviously you could never capture all that energy. On Fri, Aug 23, 2019 at 11:53 AM Adam Moffett wrote: > I read an article once which claimed that to satisfy worldwide electric > demand via wind alone would require extracting 100% of the energy from the > wind. That is to say, it would require stopping the wind. > > -Adam > > On 8/22/2019 5:25 PM, Bill Prince wrote: > > I am unschooled in this, but since windmills extract energy from wind, > they would actually DECREASE wind locally. Might be pretty hard to measure > though. > > > bp > > > > On 8/22/2019 2:18 PM, Carl Peterson wrote: > > I believe that mountain lions go downwind to stalk their prey. Is there > any chance that the increased wind caused by the windmills has led to an > influx of mountain lions because their prey is easier to stalk? Somebody > should look into this. > > On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 4:08 PM Carl Peterson > wrote: > >> Thats completely bogus. Windmills don't attract cats. The wind from the >> windmills blows away the smell of predators which causes the mice and birds >> to come out. Its the mice and birds that attract the cats. >> >> On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 4:04 PM Chuck McCown wrote: >> >>> Well I hear that windmills attract cats. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> > On Aug 22, 2019, at 2:15 PM, Bill Prince wrote: >>> > >>> > Based upon what I've read, the danger to birds is way, way overstated. >>> Probably at least an order of magnitude. Cats are far more dangerous to >>> birds. >>> > >>> > >>> > bp >>> > >>> > >>> >> On 8/22/2019 1:10 PM, Robert Andrews wrote: >>> >> You are diving down on a mouse that was disturbed by the tip vortex >>> off a 300mph passing blade tip and swap... 300mph _next_ blade tip knocks >>> you into oblivion... >>> >> >>> >>> On 08/22/2019 01:01 PM, Mathew Howard wrote: >>> >>> Well, that explains the bats, but what about the raptors? Do they >>> just die from disgust because they think it's an eyesore? >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 6:53 PM Chuck McCown >> <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> There is a low pressure zone on the lee side of the blade that >>> >>> apparently is >>> >>> dramatic enough of a pressure change to cause some kind of lung >>> >>> damage to >>> >>> bats. >>> >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> >>> From: Robert Andrews >>> >>> Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2019 5:27 PM >>> >>> To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >>> >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Reselling Electricity >>> >>> >>> >>> That was back in 2012, and the blades were 75 Meters now blades >>> are >>> >>> exceeding 104 Meters >>> >>> >>> >>> On 08/21/2019 04:23 PM, Robert Andrews wrote: >>> >>> > Ummm blade tip speed is still pretty darn high. Just because >>> >>> it looks >>> >>> > slow doesn't mean that it is... 180Mph... >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> >>> https://gizmodo.com/the-worlds-biggest-wind-turbine-blades-are-so-long-thei-5930272 >>> >>> > >>> >>> > On 08/21/2019 04:13 PM, Bill Prince wrote: >>> >>> >> Not the new giant ones. They move very slowly & the birds & >>> bats >>> >>> just fly >>> >>> >> around them. >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> bp >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> On 8/21/2019 3:11 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: >>> >>> >>> Wind kills bats and raptors and migratory waterfowl >>> >>> >> >>> >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> -- AF mailing list >>> >>> AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> >>> >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- AF mailing list >>> >>> AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> >>> >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >>> > >>> > -- >>> > AF mailing list >>> > AF@af.afmug.com >>> > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> AF@af.afmug.com >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >> >> >> -- >> >> Carl Peterson >> >> *PORT NETWORKS* >> >> 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 >> >> Baltimore, MD 21202 >> >> (410) 637-3707 >> > > > -- > > Carl Peterson > > *PORT NETWORKS* > > 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 > > Baltimore, MD 21202 > > (410) 637-3707 > > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- Carl Peterson *PORT NETWORKS* 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 Baltimore, MD 21202 (410) 637-3707 -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Reselling Electricity
I read an article once which claimed that to satisfy worldwide electric demand via wind alone would require extracting 100% of the energy from the wind. That is to say, it would require stopping the wind. -Adam On 8/22/2019 5:25 PM, Bill Prince wrote: I am unschooled in this, but since windmills extract energy from wind, they would actually DECREASE wind locally. Might be pretty hard to measure though. bp On 8/22/2019 2:18 PM, Carl Peterson wrote: I believe that mountain lions go downwind to stalk their prey. Is there any chance that the increased wind caused by the windmills has led to an influx of mountain lions because their prey is easier to stalk? Somebody should look into this. On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 4:08 PM Carl Peterson mailto:cpeter...@portnetworks.com>> wrote: Thats completely bogus. Windmills don't attract cats. The wind from the windmills blows away the smell of predators which causes the mice and birds to come out. Its the mice and birds that attract the cats. On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 4:04 PM Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote: Well I hear that windmills attract cats. Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 22, 2019, at 2:15 PM, Bill Prince mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > Based upon what I've read, the danger to birds is way, way overstated. Probably at least an order of magnitude. Cats are far more dangerous to birds. > > > bp > > >> On 8/22/2019 1:10 PM, Robert Andrews wrote: >> You are diving down on a mouse that was disturbed by the tip vortex off a 300mph passing blade tip and swap... 300mph _next_ blade tip knocks you into oblivion... >> >>> On 08/22/2019 01:01 PM, Mathew Howard wrote: >>> Well, that explains the bats, but what about the raptors? Do they just die from disgust because they think it's an eyesore? >>> >>> On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 6:53 PM Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>>> wrote: >>> >>> There is a low pressure zone on the lee side of the blade that >>> apparently is >>> dramatic enough of a pressure change to cause some kind of lung >>> damage to >>> bats. >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: Robert Andrews >>> Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2019 5:27 PM >>> To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> <mailto:af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Reselling Electricity >>> >>> That was back in 2012, and the blades were 75 Meters now blades are >>> exceeding 104 Meters >>> >>> On 08/21/2019 04:23 PM, Robert Andrews wrote: >>> > Ummm blade tip speed is still pretty darn high. Just because >>> it looks >>> > slow doesn't mean that it is... 180Mph... >>> > >>> > >>> https://gizmodo.com/the-worlds-biggest-wind-turbine-blades-are-so-long-thei-5930272 >>> > >>> > On 08/21/2019 04:13 PM, Bill Prince wrote: >>> >> Not the new giant ones. They move very slowly & the birds & bats >>> just fly >>> >> around them. >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> bp >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> On 8/21/2019 3:11 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: >>> >>> Wind kills bats and raptors and migratory waterfowl >>> >> >>> > >>> >>> -- AF mailing list >>> AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com>> >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >>> >>> -- AF mailing list >>> AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com>> >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >>> >>> >> > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- Carl Peterson *PORT NETWORKS* 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 Baltimore, MD 21202 (410) 637-3707 -- Carl Peterson *PORT NETWORKS* 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 Baltimore, MD 21202 (410) 637-3707 -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 04:11:05PM -0600, Chuck McCown wrote: > > So I will stick to coal, I feel we need to free up all that > sequestered carbon, and coal particulates encourage rainfall thus > irrigating the earth and cleansing the atmosphere all in one shot. Lately, I've been taking to calling any type of fossil-fuel "organically stored solar energy." Just to see people's reactions. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Reselling Electricity
Since they put winter Bynes in near my house it’s actually gotten a lot windier, in fact every time they are spinning the wind is just gusting. > On Aug 22, 2019, at 5:18 PM, Carl Peterson wrote: > > I believe that mountain lions go downwind to stalk their prey. Is there any > chance that the increased wind caused by the windmills has led to an influx > of mountain lions because their prey is easier to stalk? Somebody should look > into this. > >> On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 4:08 PM Carl Peterson >> wrote: >> Thats completely bogus. Windmills don't attract cats. The wind from the >> windmills blows away the smell of predators which causes the mice and birds >> to come out. Its the mice and birds that attract the cats. >> >>> On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 4:04 PM Chuck McCown wrote: >>> Well I hear that windmills attract cats. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> > On Aug 22, 2019, at 2:15 PM, Bill Prince wrote: >>> > >>> > Based upon what I've read, the danger to birds is way, way overstated. >>> > Probably at least an order of magnitude. Cats are far more dangerous to >>> > birds. >>> > >>> > >>> > bp >>> > >>> > >>> >> On 8/22/2019 1:10 PM, Robert Andrews wrote: >>> >> You are diving down on a mouse that was disturbed by the tip vortex off >>> >> a 300mph passing blade tip and swap... 300mph _next_ blade tip knocks >>> >> you into oblivion... >>> >> >>> >>> On 08/22/2019 01:01 PM, Mathew Howard wrote: >>> >>> Well, that explains the bats, but what about the raptors? Do they just >>> >>> die from disgust because they think it's an eyesore? >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 6:53 PM Chuck McCown >> >>> <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> There is a low pressure zone on the lee side of the blade that >>> >>> apparently is >>> >>> dramatic enough of a pressure change to cause some kind of lung >>> >>> damage to >>> >>> bats. >>> >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> >>> From: Robert Andrews >>> >>> Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2019 5:27 PM >>> >>> To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >>> >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Reselling Electricity >>> >>> >>> >>> That was back in 2012, and the blades were 75 Meters now blades are >>> >>> exceeding 104 Meters >>> >>> >>> >>> On 08/21/2019 04:23 PM, Robert Andrews wrote: >>> >>> > Ummm blade tip speed is still pretty darn high. Just because >>> >>> it looks >>> >>> > slow doesn't mean that it is... 180Mph... >>> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> >>> https://gizmodo.com/the-worlds-biggest-wind-turbine-blades-are-so-long-thei-5930272 >>> >>> > >>> >>> > On 08/21/2019 04:13 PM, Bill Prince wrote: >>> >>> >> Not the new giant ones. They move very slowly & the birds & bats >>> >>> just fly >>> >>> >> around them. >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> bp >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >> On 8/21/2019 3:11 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: >>> >>> >>> Wind kills bats and raptors and migratory waterfowl >>> >>> >> >>> >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> -- AF mailing list >>> >>> AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> >>> >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- AF mailing list >>> >>> AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> >>> >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >>> > >>> > -- >>> > AF mailing list >>> > AF@af.afmug.com >>> > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> AF@af.afmug.com >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >> >> -- >> Carl Peterson >> >> PORT NETWORKS >> >> 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 >> >> Baltimore, MD 21202 >> >> (410) 637-3707 >> > > > -- > Carl Peterson > > PORT NETWORKS > > 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 > > Baltimore, MD 21202 > > (410) 637-3707 > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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I am unschooled in this, but since windmills extract energy from wind, they would actually DECREASE wind locally. Might be pretty hard to measure though. bp On 8/22/2019 2:18 PM, Carl Peterson wrote: I believe that mountain lions go downwind to stalk their prey. Is there any chance that the increased wind caused by the windmills has led to an influx of mountain lions because their prey is easier to stalk? Somebody should look into this. On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 4:08 PM Carl Peterson <cpeter...@portnetworks.com> wrote: Thats completely bogus. Windmills don't attract cats. The wind from the windmills blows away the smell of predators which causes the mice and birds to come out. Its the mice and birds that attract the cats. On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 4:04 PM Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: Well I hear that windmills attract cats. Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 22, 2019, at 2:15 PM, Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Based upon what I've read, the danger to birds is way, way overstated. Probably at least an order of magnitude. Cats are far more dangerous to birds. > > > bp > > >> On 8/22/2019 1:10 PM, Robert Andrews wrote: >> You are diving down on a mouse that was disturbed by the tip vortex off a 300mph passing blade tip and swap... 300mph _next_ blade tip knocks you into oblivion... >> >>> On 08/22/2019 01:01 PM, Mathew Howard wrote: >>> Well, that explains the bats, but what about the raptors? Do they just die from disgust because they think it's an eyesore? >>> >>> On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 6:53 PM Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote: >>> >>> There is a low pressure zone on the lee side of the blade that >>> apparently is >>> dramatic enough of a pressure change to cause some kind of lung >>> damage to >>> bats. >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: Robert Andrews >>> Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2019 5:27 PM >>> To: af@af.afmug.com af@af.afmug.com> >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Reselling Electricity >>> >>> That was back in 2012, and the blades were 75 Meters now blades are >>> exceeding 104 Meters >>> >>> On 08/21/2019 04:23 PM, Robert Andrews wrote: >>> > Ummm blade tip speed is still pretty darn high. Just because >>> it looks >>> > slow doesn't mean that it is... 180Mph... >>> > >>> > >>> https://gizmodo.com/the-worlds-biggest-wind-turbine-blades-are-so-long-thei-5930272 >>> > >>> > On 08/21/2019 04:13 PM, Bill Prince wrote: >>> >> Not the new giant ones. They move very slowly & the birds & bats >>> just fly >>> >> around them. >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> bp >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> On 8/21/2019 3:11 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: >>> >>> Wind kills bats and raptors and migratory waterfowl >>> >> >>> > >>> >>> -- AF mailing list >>> AF@af.afmug.com AF@af.afmug.com> >>> http://af.afmug
Re: [AFMUG] Reselling Electricity
Downwind? That would carry their scent on the wind to the prey? On 08/22/2019 02:18 PM, Carl Peterson wrote: I believe that mountain lions go downwind to stalk their prey. Is there any chance that the increased wind caused by the windmills has led to an influx of mountain lions because their prey is easier to stalk? Somebody should look into this. On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 4:08 PM Carl Peterson mailto:cpeter...@portnetworks.com>> wrote: Thats completely bogus. Windmills don't attract cats. The wind from the windmills blows away the smell of predators which causes the mice and birds to come out. Its the mice and birds that attract the cats. On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 4:04 PM Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote: Well I hear that windmills attract cats. Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 22, 2019, at 2:15 PM, Bill Prince mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > Based upon what I've read, the danger to birds is way, way overstated. Probably at least an order of magnitude. Cats are far more dangerous to birds. > > > bp > > >> On 8/22/2019 1:10 PM, Robert Andrews wrote: >> You are diving down on a mouse that was disturbed by the tip vortex off a 300mph passing blade tip and swap... 300mph _next_ blade tip knocks you into oblivion... >> >>> On 08/22/2019 01:01 PM, Mathew Howard wrote: >>> Well, that explains the bats, but what about the raptors? Do they just die from disgust because they think it's an eyesore? >>> >>> On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 6:53 PM Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>>> wrote: >>> >>> There is a low pressure zone on the lee side of the blade that >>> apparently is >>> dramatic enough of a pressure change to cause some kind of lung >>> damage to >>> bats. >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: Robert Andrews >>> Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2019 5:27 PM >>> To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> <mailto:af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Reselling Electricity >>> >>> That was back in 2012, and the blades were 75 Meters now blades are >>> exceeding 104 Meters >>> >>> On 08/21/2019 04:23 PM, Robert Andrews wrote: >>> > Ummm blade tip speed is still pretty darn high. Just because >>> it looks >>> > slow doesn't mean that it is... 180Mph... >>> > >>> > >>> https://gizmodo.com/the-worlds-biggest-wind-turbine-blades-are-so-long-thei-5930272 >>> > >>> > On 08/21/2019 04:13 PM, Bill Prince wrote: >>> >> Not the new giant ones. They move very slowly & the birds & bats >>> just fly >>> >> around them. >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> bp >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> On 8/21/2019 3:11 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: >>> >>> Wind kills bats and raptors and migratory waterfowl >>> >> >>> > >>> >>> -- AF mailing list >>> AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com>> >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >>> >>> -- AF mailing list >>> AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com>> >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >>> >>> >> > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- Carl Peterson *PORT NETWORKS* 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 Baltimore, MD 21202 (410) 637-3707 -- Carl Peterson *PORT NETWORKS* 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 Baltimore, MD 21202 (410) 637-3707 -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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I believe that mountain lions go downwind to stalk their prey. Is there any chance that the increased wind caused by the windmills has led to an influx of mountain lions because their prey is easier to stalk? Somebody should look into this. On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 4:08 PM Carl Peterson wrote: > Thats completely bogus. Windmills don't attract cats. The wind from the > windmills blows away the smell of predators which causes the mice and birds > to come out. Its the mice and birds that attract the cats. > > On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 4:04 PM Chuck McCown wrote: > >> Well I hear that windmills attract cats. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> > On Aug 22, 2019, at 2:15 PM, Bill Prince wrote: >> > >> > Based upon what I've read, the danger to birds is way, way overstated. >> Probably at least an order of magnitude. Cats are far more dangerous to >> birds. >> > >> > >> > bp >> > >> > >> >> On 8/22/2019 1:10 PM, Robert Andrews wrote: >> >> You are diving down on a mouse that was disturbed by the tip vortex >> off a 300mph passing blade tip and swap... 300mph _next_ blade tip knocks >> you into oblivion... >> >> >> >>> On 08/22/2019 01:01 PM, Mathew Howard wrote: >> >>> Well, that explains the bats, but what about the raptors? Do they >> just die from disgust because they think it's an eyesore? >> >>> >> >>> On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 6:53 PM Chuck McCown > <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> There is a low pressure zone on the lee side of the blade that >> >>> apparently is >> >>> dramatic enough of a pressure change to cause some kind of lung >> >>> damage to >> >>> bats. >> >>> >> >>> -Original Message- >> >>> From: Robert Andrews >> >>> Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2019 5:27 PM >> >>> To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >> >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Reselling Electricity >> >>> >> >>> That was back in 2012, and the blades were 75 Meters now blades >> are >> >>> exceeding 104 Meters >> >>> >> >>> On 08/21/2019 04:23 PM, Robert Andrews wrote: >> >>> > Ummm blade tip speed is still pretty darn high. Just because >> >>> it looks >> >>> > slow doesn't mean that it is... 180Mph... >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> >> https://gizmodo.com/the-worlds-biggest-wind-turbine-blades-are-so-long-thei-5930272 >> >>> > >> >>> > On 08/21/2019 04:13 PM, Bill Prince wrote: >> >>> >> Not the new giant ones. They move very slowly & the birds & >> bats >> >>> just fly >> >>> >> around them. >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> bp >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> On 8/21/2019 3:11 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: >> >>> >>> Wind kills bats and raptors and migratory waterfowl >> >>> >> >> >>> > >> >>> >> >>> -- AF mailing list >> >>> AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> >> >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> -- AF mailing list >> >>> AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> >> >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >> >> > >> > -- >> > AF mailing list >> > AF@af.afmug.com >> > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> > > > -- > > Carl Peterson > > *PORT NETWORKS* > > 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 > > Baltimore, MD 21202 > > (410) 637-3707 > -- Carl Peterson *PORT NETWORKS* 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 Baltimore, MD 21202 (410) 637-3707 -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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Thats completely bogus. Windmills don't attract cats. The wind from the windmills blows away the smell of predators which causes the mice and birds to come out. Its the mice and birds that attract the cats. On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 4:04 PM Chuck McCown wrote: > Well I hear that windmills attract cats. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Aug 22, 2019, at 2:15 PM, Bill Prince wrote: > > > > Based upon what I've read, the danger to birds is way, way overstated. > Probably at least an order of magnitude. Cats are far more dangerous to > birds. > > > > > > bp > > > > > >> On 8/22/2019 1:10 PM, Robert Andrews wrote: > >> You are diving down on a mouse that was disturbed by the tip vortex off > a 300mph passing blade tip and swap... 300mph _next_ blade tip knocks you > into oblivion... > >> > >>> On 08/22/2019 01:01 PM, Mathew Howard wrote: > >>> Well, that explains the bats, but what about the raptors? Do they just > die from disgust because they think it's an eyesore? > >>> > >>> On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 6:53 PM Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote: > >>> > >>> There is a low pressure zone on the lee side of the blade that > >>> apparently is > >>> dramatic enough of a pressure change to cause some kind of lung > >>> damage to > >>> bats. > >>> > >>> -Original Message- > >>> From: Robert Andrews > >>> Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2019 5:27 PM > >>> To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Reselling Electricity > >>> > >>> That was back in 2012, and the blades were 75 Meters now blades are > >>> exceeding 104 Meters > >>> > >>> On 08/21/2019 04:23 PM, Robert Andrews wrote: > >>> > Ummm blade tip speed is still pretty darn high. Just because > >>> it looks > >>> > slow doesn't mean that it is... 180Mph... > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > https://gizmodo.com/the-worlds-biggest-wind-turbine-blades-are-so-long-thei-5930272 > >>> > > >>> > On 08/21/2019 04:13 PM, Bill Prince wrote: > >>> >> Not the new giant ones. They move very slowly & the birds & > bats > >>> just fly > >>> >> around them. > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> bp > >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> On 8/21/2019 3:11 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: > >>> >>> Wind kills bats and raptors and migratory waterfowl > >>> >> > >>> > > >>> > >>> -- AF mailing list > >>> AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> > >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > >>> > >>> > >>> -- AF mailing list > >>> AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> > >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > -- > > AF mailing list > > AF@af.afmug.com > > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- Carl Peterson *PORT NETWORKS* 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 Baltimore, MD 21202 (410) 637-3707 -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Reselling Electricity
Well I hear that windmills attract cats. Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 22, 2019, at 2:15 PM, Bill Prince wrote: > > Based upon what I've read, the danger to birds is way, way overstated. > Probably at least an order of magnitude. Cats are far more dangerous to birds. > > > bp > > >> On 8/22/2019 1:10 PM, Robert Andrews wrote: >> You are diving down on a mouse that was disturbed by the tip vortex off a >> 300mph passing blade tip and swap... 300mph _next_ blade tip knocks you >> into oblivion... >> >>> On 08/22/2019 01:01 PM, Mathew Howard wrote: >>> Well, that explains the bats, but what about the raptors? Do they just die >>> from disgust because they think it's an eyesore? >>> >>> On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 6:53 PM Chuck McCown >> <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote: >>> >>> There is a low pressure zone on the lee side of the blade that >>> apparently is >>> dramatic enough of a pressure change to cause some kind of lung >>> damage to >>> bats. >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: Robert Andrews >>> Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2019 5:27 PM >>> To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Reselling Electricity >>> >>> That was back in 2012, and the blades were 75 Meters now blades are >>> exceeding 104 Meters >>> >>> On 08/21/2019 04:23 PM, Robert Andrews wrote: >>> > Ummm blade tip speed is still pretty darn high. Just because >>> it looks >>> > slow doesn't mean that it is... 180Mph... >>> > >>> > >>> https://gizmodo.com/the-worlds-biggest-wind-turbine-blades-are-so-long-thei-5930272 >>> > >>> > On 08/21/2019 04:13 PM, Bill Prince wrote: >>> >> Not the new giant ones. They move very slowly & the birds & bats >>> just fly >>> >> around them. >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> bp >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> On 8/21/2019 3:11 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: >>> >>> Wind kills bats and raptors and migratory waterfowl >>> >> >>> > >>> >>> -- AF mailing list >>> AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >>> >>> -- AF mailing list >>> AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >>> >>> >> > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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Based upon what I've read, the danger to birds is way, way overstated. Probably at least an order of magnitude. Cats are far more dangerous to birds. bp On 8/22/2019 1:10 PM, Robert Andrews wrote: You are diving down on a mouse that was disturbed by the tip vortex off a 300mph passing blade tip and swap... 300mph _next_ blade tip knocks you into oblivion... On 08/22/2019 01:01 PM, Mathew Howard wrote: Well, that explains the bats, but what about the raptors? Do they just die from disgust because they think it's an eyesore? On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 6:53 PM Chuck McCown <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote: There is a low pressure zone on the lee side of the blade that apparently is dramatic enough of a pressure change to cause some kind of lung damage to bats. -Original Message- From: Robert Andrews Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2019 5:27 PM To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Reselling Electricity That was back in 2012, and the blades were 75 Meters now blades are exceeding 104 Meters On 08/21/2019 04:23 PM, Robert Andrews wrote: > Ummm blade tip speed is still pretty darn high. Just because it looks > slow doesn't mean that it is... 180Mph... > > https://gizmodo.com/the-worlds-biggest-wind-turbine-blades-are-so-long-thei-5930272 > > On 08/21/2019 04:13 PM, Bill Prince wrote: >> Not the new giant ones. They move very slowly & the birds & bats just fly >> around them. >> >> >> bp >> >> >> On 8/21/2019 3:11 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: >>> Wind kills bats and raptors and migratory waterfowl >> > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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You are diving down on a mouse that was disturbed by the tip vortex off
a 300mph passing blade tip and swap... 300mph _next_ blade tip knocks
you into oblivion...
On 08/22/2019 01:01 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:
Well, that explains the bats, but what about the raptors? Do they just
die from disgust because they think it's an eyesore?
On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 6:53 PM Chuck McCown <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
There is a low pressure zone on the lee side of the blade that
apparently is
dramatic enough of a pressure change to cause some kind of lung
damage to
bats.
-Original Message-
From: Robert Andrews
Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2019 5:27 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Reselling Electricity
That was back in 2012, and the blades were 75 Meters now blades are
exceeding 104 Meters
On 08/21/2019 04:23 PM, Robert Andrews wrote:
> Ummm blade tip speed is still pretty darn high. Just because
it looks
> slow doesn't mean that it is... 180Mph...
>
>
https://gizmodo.com/the-worlds-biggest-wind-turbine-blades-are-so-long-thei-5930272
>
> On 08/21/2019 04:13 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
>> Not the new giant ones. They move very slowly & the birds & bats
just fly
>> around them.
>>
>>
>> bp
>>
>>
>> On 8/21/2019 3:11 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>> Wind kills bats and raptors and migratory waterfowl
>>
>
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They try to mate with the blades... Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 22, 2019, at 2:01 PM, Mathew Howard wrote: > > Well, that explains the bats, but what about the raptors? Do they just die > from disgust because they think it's an eyesore? > >> On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 6:53 PM Chuck McCown wrote: >> There is a low pressure zone on the lee side of the blade that apparently is >> dramatic enough of a pressure change to cause some kind of lung damage to >> bats. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Robert Andrews >> Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2019 5:27 PM >> To: af@af.afmug.com >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Reselling Electricity >> >> That was back in 2012, and the blades were 75 Meters now blades are >> exceeding 104 Meters >> >> On 08/21/2019 04:23 PM, Robert Andrews wrote: >> > Ummm blade tip speed is still pretty darn high. Just because it looks >> > slow doesn't mean that it is... 180Mph... >> > >> > https://gizmodo.com/the-worlds-biggest-wind-turbine-blades-are-so-long-thei-5930272 >> > >> > On 08/21/2019 04:13 PM, Bill Prince wrote: >> >> Not the new giant ones. They move very slowly & the birds & bats just fly >> >> around them. >> >> >> >> >> >> bp >> >> >> >> >> >> On 8/21/2019 3:11 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: >> >>> Wind kills bats and raptors and migratory waterfowl >> >> >> > >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> >> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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Well, that explains the bats, but what about the raptors? Do they just die from disgust because they think it's an eyesore? On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 6:53 PM Chuck McCown wrote: > There is a low pressure zone on the lee side of the blade that apparently > is > dramatic enough of a pressure change to cause some kind of lung damage to > bats. > > -Original Message- > From: Robert Andrews > Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2019 5:27 PM > To: af@af.afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Reselling Electricity > > That was back in 2012, and the blades were 75 Meters now blades are > exceeding 104 Meters > > On 08/21/2019 04:23 PM, Robert Andrews wrote: > > Ummm blade tip speed is still pretty darn high. Just because it > looks > > slow doesn't mean that it is... 180Mph... > > > > > https://gizmodo.com/the-worlds-biggest-wind-turbine-blades-are-so-long-thei-5930272 > > > > On 08/21/2019 04:13 PM, Bill Prince wrote: > >> Not the new giant ones. They move very slowly & the birds & bats just > fly > >> around them. > >> > >> > >> bp > >> > >> > >> On 8/21/2019 3:11 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: > >>> Wind kills bats and raptors and migratory waterfowl > >> > > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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There is a low pressure zone on the lee side of the blade that apparently is dramatic enough of a pressure change to cause some kind of lung damage to bats. -Original Message- From: Robert Andrews Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2019 5:27 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Reselling Electricity That was back in 2012, and the blades were 75 Meters now blades are exceeding 104 Meters On 08/21/2019 04:23 PM, Robert Andrews wrote: Ummm blade tip speed is still pretty darn high. Just because it looks slow doesn't mean that it is... 180Mph... https://gizmodo.com/the-worlds-biggest-wind-turbine-blades-are-so-long-thei-5930272 On 08/21/2019 04:13 PM, Bill Prince wrote: Not the new giant ones. They move very slowly & the birds & bats just fly around them. bp On 8/21/2019 3:11 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: Wind kills bats and raptors and migratory waterfowl -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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That was back in 2012, and the blades were 75 Meters now blades are exceeding 104 Meters On 08/21/2019 04:23 PM, Robert Andrews wrote: Ummm blade tip speed is still pretty darn high. Just because it looks slow doesn't mean that it is... 180Mph... https://gizmodo.com/the-worlds-biggest-wind-turbine-blades-are-so-long-thei-5930272 On 08/21/2019 04:13 PM, Bill Prince wrote: Not the new giant ones. They move very slowly & the birds & bats just fly around them. bp On 8/21/2019 3:11 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: Wind kills bats and raptors and migratory waterfowl -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
Re: [AFMUG] Reselling Electricity
Ummm blade tip speed is still pretty darn high. Just because it looks slow doesn't mean that it is... 180Mph... https://gizmodo.com/the-worlds-biggest-wind-turbine-blades-are-so-long-thei-5930272 On 08/21/2019 04:13 PM, Bill Prince wrote: Not the new giant ones. They move very slowly & the birds & bats just fly around them. bp On 8/21/2019 3:11 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: Wind kills bats and raptors and migratory waterfowl -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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Not the new giant ones. They move very slowly & the birds & bats just fly around them. bp On 8/21/2019 3:11 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: Wind kills bats and raptors and migratory waterfowl -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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I've though about offering wireless electricity, but I can't figure out how to make cat5e work 300' up a giant Tesla coil. On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 5:31 PM Seth Mattinen wrote: > On 8/14/19 13:12, Matt Hoppes wrote: > > Has anyone here looking into becoming a reseller for a wholesale > > electric company? > > > > The end-customer still gets service from the main power company, but > > usually gets a better rate through a third-party reseller of another > > generation provider. > > > Go find a copy of Enron's business plan, adjust for mistakes, try again? > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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On 8/14/19 13:12, Matt Hoppes wrote: Has anyone here looking into becoming a reseller for a wholesale electric company? The end-customer still gets service from the main power company, but usually gets a better rate through a third-party reseller of another generation provider. Go find a copy of Enron's business plan, adjust for mistakes, try again? -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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I am worried that geothermal energy will accelerate earth core cooling causing the poles to flip and disrupting all of technology in the process. Hydro kills the salmon. Wind kills bats and raptors and migratory waterfowl. Solar may contribute to the coming ice age. So I will stick to coal, I feel we need to free up all that sequestered carbon, and coal particulates encourage rainfall thus irrigating the earth and cleansing the atmosphere all in one shot. Oh, wait...wrong forum... never mind... From: Carl Peterson Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2019 4:00 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Reselling Electricity If I want to pay more for 100% renewable electricity or organic eggs thats my business. Its one thing to have a socialist electrical grid but now you want socialist generation as well? //Lent? On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 10:19 AM Adam Moffett wrote: Same in NY, and I have the same complaints. Same wire, same product, fake competition. On 8/21/2019 10:52 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: > We have it hear, I thought it was widespread, maybe not. Transmission is > unbundled from generation. > > I find it annoying. The alternative power companies are always calling to > get you to switch, sometimes with misleading sale tactics. You hear about > people falling for bait-and-switch pricing where they end up paying more for > their power. Also many municipalities put out bids and choose an energy > supplier which then applies to all residents (or all businesses) unless they > opt out. > > IMHO it's an unnecessary complication. It's not like gasoline where they > can at least claim to have a better product, electrons are electrons, and > the power is blended anyway. It's not like the power you get was generated > by the supplier you chose, or that you will have less outages or better > voltage or something. It's strictly about price. Electricity is a > commodity. I don't want the hassle of choosing a power generation supplier > each year. It feels just like choosing a health insurance supplier on the > marketplace each year, I look forward to that like a colonoscopy. > > I think the power companies like ComEd and Ameren are forced to buy solar > and wind power anyway from those who choose to generate it, so I'm missing > the big benefit. I seriously doubt this has saved me any money from > "competition". > > As far as the question about being a reseller for one of these power > "CLECs", I would avoid it, if only because they are viewed by many people as > kind of shady. Tricksters with robocalls. Maybe sell CBD oil instead, that > seems to be all the rage. Apparently the remaining video rental places > actually exist to sell CBD products. That must be fun. Take the kids to > rent a VHS tape and they say "look, Daddy, they have gummies, can we get > some?" > > > -Original Message- > From: AF On Behalf Of Chuck McCown > Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2019 9:26 AM > To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Reselling Electricity > > They tried to do the CLEC type of thing with power years ago. Maybe just in > California. Was a disaster. > > -Original Message- > From: John Osmon > Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2019 9:31 PM > To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Reselling Electricity > > On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 04:12:25PM -0400, Matt Hoppes wrote: >> Has anyone here looking into becoming a reseller for a wholesale >> electric company? > At scale, that's effectively what a data center becomes... > > Never thought about it on bigger scale. > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- Carl Peterson PORT NETWORKS 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 Baltimore, MD 21202 (410) 637-3707 -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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If I want to pay more for 100% renewable electricity or organic eggs thats my business. Its one thing to have a socialist electrical grid but now you want socialist generation as well? //Lent? On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 10:19 AM Adam Moffett wrote: > Same in NY, and I have the same complaints. Same wire, same product, > fake competition. > > On 8/21/2019 10:52 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: > > We have it hear, I thought it was widespread, maybe not. Transmission is > > unbundled from generation. > > > > I find it annoying. The alternative power companies are always calling > to > > get you to switch, sometimes with misleading sale tactics. You hear > about > > people falling for bait-and-switch pricing where they end up paying more > for > > their power. Also many municipalities put out bids and choose an energy > > supplier which then applies to all residents (or all businesses) unless > they > > opt out. > > > > IMHO it's an unnecessary complication. It's not like gasoline where they > > can at least claim to have a better product, electrons are electrons, and > > the power is blended anyway. It's not like the power you get was > generated > > by the supplier you chose, or that you will have less outages or better > > voltage or something. It's strictly about price. Electricity is a > > commodity. I don't want the hassle of choosing a power generation > supplier > > each year. It feels just like choosing a health insurance supplier on > the > > marketplace each year, I look forward to that like a colonoscopy. > > > > I think the power companies like ComEd and Ameren are forced to buy solar > > and wind power anyway from those who choose to generate it, so I'm > missing > > the big benefit. I seriously doubt this has saved me any money from > > "competition". > > > > As far as the question about being a reseller for one of these power > > "CLECs", I would avoid it, if only because they are viewed by many > people as > > kind of shady. Tricksters with robocalls. Maybe sell CBD oil instead, > that > > seems to be all the rage. Apparently the remaining video rental places > > actually exist to sell CBD products. That must be fun. Take the kids to > > rent a VHS tape and they say "look, Daddy, they have gummies, can we get > > some?" > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: AF On Behalf Of Chuck McCown > > Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2019 9:26 AM > > To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Reselling Electricity > > > > They tried to do the CLEC type of thing with power years ago. Maybe > just in > > California. Was a disaster. > > > > -Original Message- > > From: John Osmon > > Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2019 9:31 PM > > To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Reselling Electricity > > > > On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 04:12:25PM -0400, Matt Hoppes wrote: > >> Has anyone here looking into becoming a reseller for a wholesale > >> electric company? > > At scale, that's effectively what a data center becomes... > > > > Never thought about it on bigger scale. > > > > -- > > AF mailing list > > AF@af.afmug.com > > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > > > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- Carl Peterson *PORT NETWORKS* 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 Baltimore, MD 21202 (410) 637-3707 -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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Same in NY, and I have the same complaints. Same wire, same product, fake competition. On 8/21/2019 10:52 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: We have it hear, I thought it was widespread, maybe not. Transmission is unbundled from generation. I find it annoying. The alternative power companies are always calling to get you to switch, sometimes with misleading sale tactics. You hear about people falling for bait-and-switch pricing where they end up paying more for their power. Also many municipalities put out bids and choose an energy supplier which then applies to all residents (or all businesses) unless they opt out. IMHO it's an unnecessary complication. It's not like gasoline where they can at least claim to have a better product, electrons are electrons, and the power is blended anyway. It's not like the power you get was generated by the supplier you chose, or that you will have less outages or better voltage or something. It's strictly about price. Electricity is a commodity. I don't want the hassle of choosing a power generation supplier each year. It feels just like choosing a health insurance supplier on the marketplace each year, I look forward to that like a colonoscopy. I think the power companies like ComEd and Ameren are forced to buy solar and wind power anyway from those who choose to generate it, so I'm missing the big benefit. I seriously doubt this has saved me any money from "competition". As far as the question about being a reseller for one of these power "CLECs", I would avoid it, if only because they are viewed by many people as kind of shady. Tricksters with robocalls. Maybe sell CBD oil instead, that seems to be all the rage. Apparently the remaining video rental places actually exist to sell CBD products. That must be fun. Take the kids to rent a VHS tape and they say "look, Daddy, they have gummies, can we get some?" -Original Message- From: AF On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2019 9:26 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Reselling Electricity They tried to do the CLEC type of thing with power years ago. Maybe just in California. Was a disaster. -Original Message- From: John Osmon Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2019 9:31 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Reselling Electricity On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 04:12:25PM -0400, Matt Hoppes wrote: Has anyone here looking into becoming a reseller for a wholesale electric company? At scale, that's effectively what a data center becomes... Never thought about it on bigger scale. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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ENRON Need anyone say more? On 8/21/19 7:26 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: They tried to do the CLEC type of thing with power years ago. Maybe just in California. Was a disaster. -Original Message- From: John Osmon Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2019 9:31 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Reselling Electricity On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 04:12:25PM -0400, Matt Hoppes wrote: Has anyone here looking into becoming a reseller for a wholesale electric company? At scale, that's effectively what a data center becomes... Never thought about it on bigger scale. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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We have it hear, I thought it was widespread, maybe not. Transmission is unbundled from generation. I find it annoying. The alternative power companies are always calling to get you to switch, sometimes with misleading sale tactics. You hear about people falling for bait-and-switch pricing where they end up paying more for their power. Also many municipalities put out bids and choose an energy supplier which then applies to all residents (or all businesses) unless they opt out. IMHO it's an unnecessary complication. It's not like gasoline where they can at least claim to have a better product, electrons are electrons, and the power is blended anyway. It's not like the power you get was generated by the supplier you chose, or that you will have less outages or better voltage or something. It's strictly about price. Electricity is a commodity. I don't want the hassle of choosing a power generation supplier each year. It feels just like choosing a health insurance supplier on the marketplace each year, I look forward to that like a colonoscopy. I think the power companies like ComEd and Ameren are forced to buy solar and wind power anyway from those who choose to generate it, so I'm missing the big benefit. I seriously doubt this has saved me any money from "competition". As far as the question about being a reseller for one of these power "CLECs", I would avoid it, if only because they are viewed by many people as kind of shady. Tricksters with robocalls. Maybe sell CBD oil instead, that seems to be all the rage. Apparently the remaining video rental places actually exist to sell CBD products. That must be fun. Take the kids to rent a VHS tape and they say "look, Daddy, they have gummies, can we get some?" -Original Message- From: AF On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2019 9:26 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Reselling Electricity They tried to do the CLEC type of thing with power years ago. Maybe just in California. Was a disaster. -Original Message- From: John Osmon Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2019 9:31 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Reselling Electricity On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 04:12:25PM -0400, Matt Hoppes wrote: > Has anyone here looking into becoming a reseller for a wholesale > electric company? At scale, that's effectively what a data center becomes... Never thought about it on bigger scale. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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They tried to do the CLEC type of thing with power years ago. Maybe just in California. Was a disaster. -Original Message- From: John Osmon Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2019 9:31 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Reselling Electricity On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 04:12:25PM -0400, Matt Hoppes wrote: Has anyone here looking into becoming a reseller for a wholesale electric company? At scale, that's effectively what a data center becomes... Never thought about it on bigger scale. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 04:12:25PM -0400, Matt Hoppes wrote: > Has anyone here looking into becoming a reseller for a wholesale > electric company? At scale, that's effectively what a data center becomes... Never thought about it on bigger scale. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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There's a dump in my town that burns the gasses to make electricity. They sell power for cheaper than our power utility charges but you'd still have to pay to 'wheel' it across the utilities transmission network so it ends up costing more anyways. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wheeling_(electric_power_transmission) Keefe John CEO Ethoplex Direct: 262.345.5200 Ethoplex Business Internet http://www.ethoplex.com/ Signal Residential Internet http://www.signalisp.com/ https://www.linkedin.com/in/keefejohn/ On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 3:13 PM Matt Hoppes < mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote: > Has anyone here looking into becoming a reseller for a wholesale > electric company? > > The end-customer still gets service from the main power company, but > usually gets a better rate through a third-party reseller of another > generation provider. > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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That always seemd like it was one step above multi level marketing to me. On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 3:13 PM Matt Hoppes < mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote: > Has anyone here looking into becoming a reseller for a wholesale > electric company? > > The end-customer still gets service from the main power company, but > usually gets a better rate through a third-party reseller of another > generation provider. > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- Lewis Bergman 325-439-0533 Cell -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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Has anyone here looking into becoming a reseller for a wholesale electric company? The end-customer still gets service from the main power company, but usually gets a better rate through a third-party reseller of another generation provider. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
