Re: [AFMUG] Your Own Satellite Internet

[Bill Prince]

  
  
It's relative to MSL.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geosynchronous_orbit#:~:text=A%20satellite%20in%20such%20an,relative%20to%20the%20Earth's%20surface.=Such%20orbits%20are%20useful%20for,that%20can%20only%20be%20approximated.

bp

On 2/26/2021 9:39 AM, Chuck McCown via
  AF wrote:


  
  

  I wonder, is 22,400 miles measured from the center of the
earth or the surface?
  

  
From: Bill
Prince 
Sent: Friday, February 26, 2021 7:53 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Your Own Satellite
  Internet
  

 
  
  
Orbital velocity at geo is only about 6,800 MPH (versus
  ~~ 17K MPH at lower orbits levels), so to inflict maximum
  damage, you want to launch into geo counter-clockwise, or
  anti-geo to put it another way. Then make the satellite a
  hardened shell so as to inflict the most damage and have a
  possibility of hitting more than one working satellite.
Just thinking of a plot line for a Bond film...
 
bp

On 2/25/2021 6:20 PM, Robert
  wrote:

Way below geo orbit,
and creating debris in geo orbit would be all those
operators up there idea of a disaster nightmare.   I
imagine a great James Bond plot story would be Spectre
putting something up there and threatening to ruin that
orbit for a ransom.
  
  On 2/25/21 5:50 PM, Brian
Webster wrote:
  
  



  Well the US Navy proved they can enforce
  the parking rules back in 2008. To quote Sheldon
  Cooper,  “You’re in my spot”
   
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fuv72VM9q8
   
   
  Thank you,
  Brian Webster
  www.wirelessmapping.com
   
  From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com]
  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
  Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2021 7:47 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Your Own Satellite
  Internet
   
  
maybe they wrap your bird with
  tin foil like a space boot
  
   
  

  On Thu, Feb 25, 2021 at 6:28
PM Jason McKemie <j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>
wrote:


  And where's the tow truck if
you just take a spot?

On Thursday, February 25, 2021, Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
wrote:
  
So if a nation is not
  recognized by the UN then they have free
  parking?
  
   
  

  On Thu, Feb 25, 2021,
5:52 PM Mark Radabaugh <m...@amplex.net>
wrote:


  
ITU controls the
  slots:  https://alexsli.com/thespacebar/2017/7/the-international-telecommunications-union-orbital-satellite-parking-enforcement

   


  Mark
  

  
  

  On Feb 25, 2021,
at 6:02 PM, Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
wrote:

 

  
Who controls
  the parking spots? And what if you
  just decide to put one there? I'd
  like to have Elon dough where I
  could ju

Re: [AFMUG] Your Own Satellite Internet

[Chuck McCown via AF]

I wonder, is 22,400 miles measured from the center of the earth or the surface?
From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Friday, February 26, 2021 7:53 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Your Own Satellite Internet

Orbital velocity at geo is only about 6,800 MPH (versus ~~ 17K MPH at lower 
orbits levels), so to inflict maximum damage, you want to launch into geo 
counter-clockwise, or anti-geo to put it another way. Then make the satellite a 
hardened shell so as to inflict the most damage and have a possibility of 
hitting more than one working satellite.

Just thinking of a plot line for a Bond film...



bp
On 2/25/2021 6:20 PM, Robert wrote:

  Way below geo orbit, and creating debris in geo orbit would be all those 
operators up there idea of a disaster nightmare.   I imagine a great James Bond 
plot story would be Spectre putting something up there and threatening to ruin 
that orbit for a ransom.


  On 2/25/21 5:50 PM, Brian Webster wrote:

Well the US Navy proved they can enforce the parking rules back in 2008. To 
quote Sheldon Cooper,  “You’re in my spot”

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fuv72VM9q8

 

 

Thank you,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2021 7:47 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Your Own Satellite Internet

 

maybe they wrap your bird with tin foil like a space boot

 

On Thu, Feb 25, 2021 at 6:28 PM Jason McKemie 
 wrote:

  And where's the tow truck if you just take a spot?

  On Thursday, February 25, 2021, Steve Jones  
wrote:

  So if a nation is not recognized by the UN then they have free parking?

   

  On Thu, Feb 25, 2021, 5:52 PM Mark Radabaugh  wrote:

ITU controls the slots:  
https://alexsli.com/thespacebar/2017/7/the-international-telecommunications-union-orbital-satellite-parking-enforcement

 

Mark





On Feb 25, 2021, at 6:02 PM, Steve Jones  
wrote:

 

Who controls the parking spots? And what if you just decide to put one 
there? I'd like to have Elon dough where I could just get in a parking spot 
fight in space for spite. I wonder if alec Baldwin is the enforcer, he just 
punches you in the face if you take a spot.

 

On Thu, Feb 25, 2021, 4:30 PM Brian Webster  
wrote:

  Matt,

  Looking at your post on Facebook, I think you have 
misunderstood the Geostationary definition. There is only one orbit height that 
rotates around the earth at the same speed as the Earth rotates and it is 
located at the equator. That is called the Clarke Belt and it is 22,236 miles 
above the earth. Your question about a Leo and it being Geostationary are 
contradictions in terms. In the Clarke belt since it’s just one line of 
“parking spots” around the earth (at the equator only), one does not just set 
up their own. They are very coveted spots in the belt and only the expensive 
birds reside there. At 22,236 miles above the earth, a Cambium radio or similar 
device won’t have enough power to reach back to a CPE. In addition to that and 
you will have high latency just like the current geostationary satellite 
systems do. That radio signal has to travel 44,472 miles, hence the latency 
people complain about.

   

  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geostationary_orbit

   

   

  Thank you,

  Brian Webster

  www.wirelessmapping.com

   

  From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Robert
  Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2021 4:31 PM
  To: af@af.afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Your Own Satellite Internet

   

  Yes, Look up the various "Stats" that have been tethered at the 
borders over the years with balloons for radar coverage of low flying aircraft 
and the NOTAMS that are posted for them.  They have a very large ( relatively ) 
exclusion zone and you have to worry about said tethers falling and doing 
damage on the way down.

  On 2/25/21 11:39 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:

Those tethers would be a nightmare for aviation.

 

On Thu, Feb 25, 2021 at 1:31 PM Brian Webster 
 wrote:

  One also has to calculate the window that your satellite is 
visible on the ground of your target service area based on the altitude you 
will have the bird orbiting. Many times any of the Amateur radio satellites 
only have a 10 or 15 minute window of visibility a few times a day. For 24/7 
internet service you need to have many orbital object/satellites such that when 
one move out of view another is there for the handoff. The lower orbit you 
have, the smaller window you have. So a LEO small footprint coverage is still 
going to take a lot of satellites just to cover you small territory

Re: [AFMUG] Your Own Satellite Internet

[Bill Prince]

  
  
Orbital velocity at geo is only about 6,800 MPH (versus ~~ 17K
  MPH at lower orbits levels), so to inflict maximum damage, you
  want to launch into geo counter-clockwise, or anti-geo to put it
  another way. Then make the satellite a hardened shell so as to
  inflict the most damage and have a possibility of hitting more
  than one working satellite.
Just thinking of a plot line for a Bond film...


bp

On 2/25/2021 6:20 PM, Robert wrote:


  
  Way below geo orbit, and creating debris in
geo orbit would be all those operators up there idea of a
disaster nightmare.   I imagine a great James Bond plot story
would be Spectre putting something up there and threatening to
ruin that orbit for a ransom.
  
  On 2/25/21 5:50 PM, Brian Webster
wrote:
  
  




  Well
  the US Navy proved they can enforce the parking rules back
  in 2008. To quote Sheldon Cooper,  “You’re in my spot”
   
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fuv72VM9q8
   
   
  Thank
  you,
  Brian
  Webster
  www.wirelessmapping.com
   
  From:
  AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com]
  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
  Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2021 7:47 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Your Own Satellite Internet
   
  
maybe they wrap your bird with tin foil
  like a space boot
  
   
  

  On Thu, Feb 25, 2021 at 6:28 PM Jason
McKemie <j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>
wrote:


  And where's the tow truck if you just
take a spot?

On Thursday, February 25, 2021, Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
wrote:
  
So if a nation is not recognized by
  the UN then they have free parking?
  
   
  

  On Thu, Feb 25, 2021, 5:52 PM
Mark Radabaugh <m...@amplex.net>
wrote:


  
ITU controls the slots:  https://alexsli.com/thespacebar/2017/7/the-international-telecommunications-union-orbital-satellite-parking-enforcement

   


  Mark
  

  
  

  On Feb 25, 2021, at 6:02
PM, Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
wrote:

 

  
Who controls the
  parking spots? And what if you just decide
  to put one there? I'd like to have Elon
  dough where I could just get in a parking
  spot fight in space for spite. I wonder if
  alec Baldwin is the enforcer, he just
  punches you in the face if you take a
  spot.
  
   
  

  On Thu, Feb 25, 2021,
4:30 PM Brian Webster <i...@wirelessmapping.com>
wrote:


  

  Matt,
     
  Looking at your post on Facebook,
  I think you have misunderstood the
  Geostationary definition. There is
  only one orbit height that rotates
  around the earth at the same speed
  as the Earth rotates and it is
  located at the equator. That is
  called the Clarke Belt and it is
  22,236 miles above the earth. Your
  question about a Leo and it being
  Geostationary are contradictions
  in t

Re: [AFMUG] Your Own Satellite Internet

[Steve Jones]

An orbital shark vacuum would solve everything, those things are beasts

On Thu, Feb 25, 2021, 8:29 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:

> Orbital sharks that shoot lasers from their eyes.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Feb 25, 2021, at 7:20 PM, Robert  wrote:
>
>  Way below geo orbit, and creating debris in geo orbit would be all
> those operators up there idea of a disaster nightmare.   I imagine a great
> James Bond plot story would be Spectre putting something up there and
> threatening to ruin that orbit for a ransom.
>
> On 2/25/21 5:50 PM, Brian Webster wrote:
>
> Well the US Navy proved they can enforce the parking rules back in 2008.
> To quote Sheldon Cooper,  “You’re in my spot”
>
>
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fuv72VM9q8
>
>
>
>
>
> Thank you,
>
> Brian Webster
>
> www.wirelessmapping.com
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 25, 2021 7:47 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Your Own Satellite Internet
>
>
>
> maybe they wrap your bird with tin foil like a space boot
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 25, 2021 at 6:28 PM Jason McKemie <
> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
>
> And where's the tow truck if you just take a spot?
>
> On Thursday, February 25, 2021, Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
> So if a nation is not recognized by the UN then they have free parking?
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 25, 2021, 5:52 PM Mark Radabaugh  wrote:
>
> ITU controls the slots:
> https://alexsli.com/thespacebar/2017/7/the-international-telecommunications-union-orbital-satellite-parking-enforcement
>
>
>
> Mark
>
>
>
> On Feb 25, 2021, at 6:02 PM, Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>
>
> Who controls the parking spots? And what if you just decide to put one
> there? I'd like to have Elon dough where I could just get in a parking spot
> fight in space for spite. I wonder if alec Baldwin is the enforcer, he just
> punches you in the face if you take a spot.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 25, 2021, 4:30 PM Brian Webster 
> wrote:
>
> Matt,
>
> Looking at your post on Facebook, I think you have
> misunderstood the Geostationary definition. There is only one orbit height
> that rotates around the earth at the same speed as the Earth rotates and it
> is located at the equator. That is called the Clarke Belt and it is 22,236
> miles above the earth. Your question about a Leo and it being Geostationary
> are contradictions in terms. In the Clarke belt since it’s just one line of
> “parking spots” around the earth (at the equator only), one does not just
> set up their own. They are very coveted spots in the belt and only the
> expensive birds reside there. At 22,236 miles above the earth, a Cambium
> radio or similar device won’t have enough power to reach back to a CPE. In
> addition to that and you will have high latency just like the current
> geostationary satellite systems do. That radio signal has to travel 44,472
> miles, hence the latency people complain about.
>
>
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geostationary_orbit
>
>
>
>
>
> Thank you,
>
> Brian Webster
>
> www.wirelessmapping.com
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Robert
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 25, 2021 4:31 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Your Own Satellite Internet
>
>
>
> Yes, Look up the various "Stats" that have been tethered at the
> borders over the years with balloons for radar coverage of low flying
> aircraft and the NOTAMS that are posted for them.  They have a very large (
> relatively ) exclusion zone and you have to worry about said tethers
> falling and doing damage on the way down.
>
> On 2/25/21 11:39 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>
> Those tethers would be a nightmare for aviation.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 25, 2021 at 1:31 PM Brian Webster 
> wrote:
>
> One also has to calculate the window that your satellite is visible on the
> ground of your target service area based on the altitude you will have the
> bird orbiting. Many times any of the Amateur radio satellites only have a
> 10 or 15 minute window of visibility a few times a day. For 24/7 internet
> service you need to have many orbital object/satellites such that when one
> move out of view another is there for the handoff. The lower orbit you
> have, the smaller window you have. So a LEO small footprint coverage is
> still going to take a lot of satellites just to cover you small territory.
> How many all depends on the area and altitude. Since your satellite is not
> going to be in a stationary orbit, I am 

Re: [AFMUG] Your Own Satellite Internet

[Brian Webster]

Yes it was, but BOTH objects were moving in that case. 

 

Right space debris anywhere near the Clarke belt is a nasty thing to have to 
deal with and can render some of the parking spots useless. 

 

Yes a good James Bond or Austin Powers story line for sure. But if done as a 
Tom Clancy story it would probably be a lot better J

 

Thank you,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Robert
Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2021 9:20 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Your Own Satellite Internet

 

Way below geo orbit, and creating debris in geo orbit would be all those 
operators up there idea of a disaster nightmare.   I imagine a great James Bond 
plot story would be Spectre putting something up there and threatening to ruin 
that orbit for a ransom.

On 2/25/21 5:50 PM, Brian Webster wrote:

Well the US Navy proved they can enforce the parking rules back in 2008. To 
quote Sheldon Cooper,  “You’re in my spot”

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fuv72VM9q8

 

 

Thank you,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2021 7:47 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Your Own Satellite Internet

 

maybe they wrap your bird with tin foil like a space boot

 

On Thu, Feb 25, 2021 at 6:28 PM Jason McKemie 
 wrote:

And where's the tow truck if you just take a spot?

On Thursday, February 25, 2021, Steve Jones  wrote:

So if a nation is not recognized by the UN then they have free parking?

 

On Thu, Feb 25, 2021, 5:52 PM Mark Radabaugh  wrote:

ITU controls the slots:  
https://alexsli.com/thespacebar/2017/7/the-international-telecommunications-union-orbital-satellite-parking-enforcement

 

Mark






On Feb 25, 2021, at 6:02 PM, Steve Jones  wrote:

 

Who controls the parking spots? And what if you just decide to put one there? 
I'd like to have Elon dough where I could just get in a parking spot fight in 
space for spite. I wonder if alec Baldwin is the enforcer, he just punches you 
in the face if you take a spot.

 

On Thu, Feb 25, 2021, 4:30 PM Brian Webster  wrote:

Matt,

Looking at your post on Facebook, I think you have 
misunderstood the Geostationary definition. There is only one orbit height that 
rotates around the earth at the same speed as the Earth rotates and it is 
located at the equator. That is called the Clarke Belt and it is 22,236 miles 
above the earth. Your question about a Leo and it being Geostationary are 
contradictions in terms. In the Clarke belt since it’s just one line of 
“parking spots” around the earth (at the equator only), one does not just set 
up their own. They are very coveted spots in the belt and only the expensive 
birds reside there. At 22,236 miles above the earth, a Cambium radio or similar 
device won’t have enough power to reach back to a CPE. In addition to that and 
you will have high latency just like the current geostationary satellite 
systems do. That radio signal has to travel 44,472 miles, hence the latency 
people complain about.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geostationary_orbit

 

 

Thank you,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com <http://www.wirelessmapping.com/> 

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Robert
Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2021 4:31 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Your Own Satellite Internet

 

Yes, Look up the various "Stats" that have been tethered at the borders 
over the years with balloons for radar coverage of low flying aircraft and the 
NOTAMS that are posted for them.  They have a very large ( relatively ) 
exclusion zone and you have to worry about said tethers falling and doing 
damage on the way down.

On 2/25/21 11:39 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:

Those tethers would be a nightmare for aviation.

 

On Thu, Feb 25, 2021 at 1:31 PM Brian Webster  wrote:

One also has to calculate the window that your satellite is visible on the 
ground of your target service area based on the altitude you will have the bird 
orbiting. Many times any of the Amateur radio satellites only have a 10 or 15 
minute window of visibility a few times a day. For 24/7 internet service you 
need to have many orbital object/satellites such that when one move out of view 
another is there for the handoff. The lower orbit you have, the smaller window 
you have. So a LEO small footprint coverage is still going to take a lot of 
satellites just to cover you small territory. How many all depends on the area 
and altitude. Since your satellite is not going to be in a stationary orbit, I 
am sure you need international cooperation to file for all the orbits you need 
to just cover your small footprint in the US because that orbit goes all the 
way around the earth and has effect on others who might need a similar orbit. A 
good portion of the time your satellite is flying through the sky for your 

Re: [AFMUG] Your Own Satellite Internet

[Chuck McCown via AF]

Orbital sharks that shoot lasers from their eyes.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 25, 2021, at 7:20 PM, Robert  wrote:
> 
>  Way below geo orbit, and creating debris in geo orbit would be all those 
> operators up there idea of a disaster nightmare.   I imagine a great James 
> Bond plot story would be Spectre putting something up there and threatening 
> to ruin that orbit for a ransom.
> 
> On 2/25/21 5:50 PM, Brian Webster wrote:
>> Well the US Navy proved they can enforce the parking rules back in 2008. To 
>> quote Sheldon Cooper,  “You’re in my spot”
>>  
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fuv72VM9q8
>>  
>>  
>> Thank you,
>> Brian Webster
>> www.wirelessmapping.com
>>  
>> From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
>> Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2021 7:47 PM
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Your Own Satellite Internet
>>  
>> maybe they wrap your bird with tin foil like a space boot
>>  
>> On Thu, Feb 25, 2021 at 6:28 PM Jason McKemie 
>>  wrote:
>> And where's the tow truck if you just take a spot?
>> 
>> On Thursday, February 25, 2021, Steve Jones  
>> wrote:
>> So if a nation is not recognized by the UN then they have free parking?
>>  
>> On Thu, Feb 25, 2021, 5:52 PM Mark Radabaugh  wrote:
>> ITU controls the slots:  
>> https://alexsli.com/thespacebar/2017/7/the-international-telecommunications-union-orbital-satellite-parking-enforcement
>>  
>> Mark
>> 
>> 
>> On Feb 25, 2021, at 6:02 PM, Steve Jones  wrote:
>>  
>> Who controls the parking spots? And what if you just decide to put one 
>> there? I'd like to have Elon dough where I could just get in a parking spot 
>> fight in space for spite. I wonder if alec Baldwin is the enforcer, he just 
>> punches you in the face if you take a spot.
>>  
>> On Thu, Feb 25, 2021, 4:30 PM Brian Webster  wrote:
>> Matt,
>> Looking at your post on Facebook, I think you have 
>> misunderstood the Geostationary definition. There is only one orbit height 
>> that rotates around the earth at the same speed as the Earth rotates and it 
>> is located at the equator. That is called the Clarke Belt and it is 22,236 
>> miles above the earth. Your question about a Leo and it being Geostationary 
>> are contradictions in terms. In the Clarke belt since it’s just one line of 
>> “parking spots” around the earth (at the equator only), one does not just 
>> set up their own. They are very coveted spots in the belt and only the 
>> expensive birds reside there. At 22,236 miles above the earth, a Cambium 
>> radio or similar device won’t have enough power to reach back to a CPE. In 
>> addition to that and you will have high latency just like the current 
>> geostationary satellite systems do. That radio signal has to travel 44,472 
>> miles, hence the latency people complain about.
>>  
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geostationary_orbit
>>  
>>  
>> Thank you,
>> Brian Webster
>> www.wirelessmapping.com
>>  
>> From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Robert
>> Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2021 4:31 PM
>> To: af@af.afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Your Own Satellite Internet
>>  
>> Yes, Look up the various "Stats" that have been tethered at the borders 
>> over the years with balloons for radar coverage of low flying aircraft and 
>> the NOTAMS that are posted for them.  They have a very large ( relatively ) 
>> exclusion zone and you have to worry about said tethers falling and doing 
>> damage on the way down.
>> 
>> On 2/25/21 11:39 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>> Those tethers would be a nightmare for aviation.
>>  
>> On Thu, Feb 25, 2021 at 1:31 PM Brian Webster  
>> wrote:
>> One also has to calculate the window that your satellite is visible on the 
>> ground of your target service area based on the altitude you will have the 
>> bird orbiting. Many times any of the Amateur radio satellites only have a 10 
>> or 15 minute window of visibility a few times a day. For 24/7 internet 
>> service you need to have many orbital object/satellites such that when one 
>> move out of view another is there for the handoff. The lower orbit you have, 
>> the smaller window you have. So a LEO small footprint coverage is still 
>> going to take a lot of satellites just to cover you small territory. How 
>> many all depends on the area and altitude. Since your satellite is not going 
>> to be in a stationary orbit, I am sure you need in

Re: [AFMUG] Your Own Satellite Internet

[Robert]

Way below geo orbit, and creating debris in geo orbit would be all those 
operators up there idea of a disaster nightmare.   I imagine a great 
James Bond plot story would be Spectre putting something up there and 
threatening to ruin that orbit for a ransom.


On 2/25/21 5:50 PM, Brian Webster wrote:


Well the US Navy proved they can enforce the parking rules back in 
2008. To quote Sheldon Cooper,  “You’re in my spot”


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fuv72VM9q8 
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fuv72VM9q8>


Thank you,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

*From:*AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
*Sent:* Thursday, February 25, 2021 7:47 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Your Own Satellite Internet

maybe they wrap your bird with tin foil like a space boot

On Thu, Feb 25, 2021 at 6:28 PM Jason McKemie 
<mailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>> wrote:


And where's the tow truck if you just take a spot?

On Thursday, February 25, 2021, Steve Jones
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:

So if a nation is not recognized by the UN then they have free
parking?

On Thu, Feb 25, 2021, 5:52 PM Mark Radabaugh mailto:m...@amplex.net>> wrote:

ITU controls the slots:

https://alexsli.com/thespacebar/2017/7/the-international-telecommunications-union-orbital-satellite-parking-enforcement

<https://alexsli.com/thespacebar/2017/7/the-international-telecommunications-union-orbital-satellite-parking-enforcement>

Mark



On Feb 25, 2021, at 6:02 PM, Steve Jones
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>>
wrote:

Who controls the parking spots? And what if you just decide to
put one there? I'd like to have Elon dough where I could just
get in a parking spot fight in space for spite. I wonder if
alec Baldwin is the enforcer, he just punches you in the face
if you take a spot.

On Thu, Feb 25, 2021, 4:30 PM Brian Webster
mailto:i...@wirelessmapping.com>>
wrote:

Matt,

Looking at your post on Facebook, I think you have
misunderstood the Geostationary definition. There is only
one orbit height that rotates around the earth at the same
speed as the Earth rotates and it is located at the
equator. That is called the Clarke Belt and it is 22,236
miles above the earth. Your question about a Leo and it
being Geostationary are contradictions in terms. In the
Clarke belt since it’s just one line of “parking spots”
around the earth (at the equator only), one does not just
set up their own. They are very coveted spots in the belt
and only the expensive birds reside there. At 22,236 miles
above the earth, a Cambium radio or similar device won’t
have enough power to reach back to a CPE. In addition to
that and you will have high latency just like the current
geostationary satellite systems do. That radio signal has
to travel 44,472 miles, hence the latency people complain
about.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geostationary_orbit
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geostationary_orbit>

Thank you,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com <http://www.wirelessmapping.com/>

*From:*AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>] *On Behalf Of *Robert
*Sent:* Thursday, February 25, 2021 4:31 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Your Own Satellite Internet

Yes, Look up the various "Stats" that have been
tethered at the borders over the years with balloons for
radar coverage of low flying aircraft and the NOTAMS that
are posted for them.  They have a very large ( relatively
) exclusion zone and you have to worry about said tethers
falling and doing damage on the way down.

On 2/25/21 11:39 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:

Those tethers would be a nightmare for aviation.

On Thu, Feb 25, 2021 at 1:31 PM Brian Webster
mailto:i...@wirelessmapping.com>> wrote:

One also has to calculate the window that your
satellite is visible on the ground of your target
service area based on the altitude you will have
the bird orbiting. Many times any of the Amateur
radio satellites only have a 10 or 15 minute
window of visibility a few times a day. For 24/7
internet service you need to have many orbital

Re: [AFMUG] Your Own Satellite Internet

[Robert]

And you don't get a  spot without a plan for removing it at EOL, there 
are a set of higher dead satellite orbits with a lot of birds as trash, 
less fuel than a de-orbit plan.


On 2/25/21 4:27 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:

And where's the tow truck if you just take a spot?

On Thursday, February 25, 2021, Steve Jones <mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:


So if a nation is not recognized by the UN then they have free
parking?

On Thu, Feb 25, 2021, 5:52 PM Mark Radabaugh mailto:m...@amplex.net>> wrote:

ITU controls the slots:

https://alexsli.com/thespacebar/2017/7/the-international-telecommunications-union-orbital-satellite-parking-enforcement

<https://alexsli.com/thespacebar/2017/7/the-international-telecommunications-union-orbital-satellite-parking-enforcement>


Mark


On Feb 25, 2021, at 6:02 PM, Steve Jones
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Who controls the parking spots? And what if you just decide
to put one there? I'd like to have Elon dough where I could
just get in a parking spot fight in space for spite. I wonder
if alec Baldwin is the enforcer, he just punches you in the
face if you take a spot.

On Thu, Feb 25, 2021, 4:30 PM Brian Webster
mailto:i...@wirelessmapping.com>>
wrote:

Matt,

Looking at your post on Facebook, I think you have
misunderstood the Geostationary definition. There is only
one orbit height that rotates around the earth at the
same speed as the Earth rotates and it is located at the
equator. That is called the Clarke Belt and it is 22,236
miles above the earth. Your question about a Leo and it
being Geostationary are contradictions in terms. In the
Clarke belt since it’s just one line of “parking spots”
around the earth (at the equator only), one does not just
set up their own. They are very coveted spots in the belt
and only the expensive birds reside there. At 22,236
miles above the earth, a Cambium radio or similar device
won’t have enough power to reach back to a CPE. In
addition to that and you will have high latency just like
the current geostationary satellite systems do. That
radio signal has to travel 44,472 miles, hence the
latency people complain about.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geostationary_orbit
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geostationary_orbit>

Thank you,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com <http://www.wirelessmapping.com/>

*From:*AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>] *On Behalf Of *Robert
*Sent:* Thursday, February 25, 2021 4:31 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Your Own Satellite Internet

Yes, Look up the various "Stats" that have been
tethered at the borders over the years with balloons for
radar coverage of low flying aircraft and the NOTAMS that
are posted for them.  They have a very large ( relatively
) exclusion zone and you have to worry about said tethers
falling and doing damage on the way down.

On 2/25/21 11:39 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:

Those tethers would be a nightmare for aviation.

On Thu, Feb 25, 2021 at 1:31 PM Brian Webster
mailto:i...@wirelessmapping.com>> wrote:

One also has to calculate the window that your
satellite is visible on the ground of your target
service area based on the altitude you will have
the bird orbiting. Many times any of the Amateur
radio satellites only have a 10 or 15 minute
window of visibility a few times a day. For 24/7
internet service you need to have many orbital
object/satellites such that when one move out of
view another is there for the handoff. The lower
orbit you have, the smaller window you have. So a
LEO small footprint coverage is still going to
take a lot of satellites just to cover you small
territory. How many all depends on the area and
altitude. Since your satellite is not going to be
in a stationary orbit, I am sure you need
international cooperation to file for all the
orbits you need to just cover your small
footprint in the US because that orbit goes all
the wa

Re: [AFMUG] Your Own Satellite Internet

[Brian Webster]

Well the US Navy proved they can enforce the parking rules back in 2008. To 
quote Sheldon Cooper,  “You’re in my spot”

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fuv72VM9q8

 

 

Thank you,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2021 7:47 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Your Own Satellite Internet

 

maybe they wrap your bird with tin foil like a space boot

 

On Thu, Feb 25, 2021 at 6:28 PM Jason McKemie 
 wrote:

And where's the tow truck if you just take a spot?

On Thursday, February 25, 2021, Steve Jones  wrote:

So if a nation is not recognized by the UN then they have free parking?

 

On Thu, Feb 25, 2021, 5:52 PM Mark Radabaugh  wrote:

ITU controls the slots:  
https://alexsli.com/thespacebar/2017/7/the-international-telecommunications-union-orbital-satellite-parking-enforcement

 

Mark





On Feb 25, 2021, at 6:02 PM, Steve Jones  wrote:

 

Who controls the parking spots? And what if you just decide to put one there? 
I'd like to have Elon dough where I could just get in a parking spot fight in 
space for spite. I wonder if alec Baldwin is the enforcer, he just punches you 
in the face if you take a spot.

 

On Thu, Feb 25, 2021, 4:30 PM Brian Webster  wrote:

Matt,

Looking at your post on Facebook, I think you have 
misunderstood the Geostationary definition. There is only one orbit height that 
rotates around the earth at the same speed as the Earth rotates and it is 
located at the equator. That is called the Clarke Belt and it is 22,236 miles 
above the earth. Your question about a Leo and it being Geostationary are 
contradictions in terms. In the Clarke belt since it’s just one line of 
“parking spots” around the earth (at the equator only), one does not just set 
up their own. They are very coveted spots in the belt and only the expensive 
birds reside there. At 22,236 miles above the earth, a Cambium radio or similar 
device won’t have enough power to reach back to a CPE. In addition to that and 
you will have high latency just like the current geostationary satellite 
systems do. That radio signal has to travel 44,472 miles, hence the latency 
people complain about.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geostationary_orbit

 

 

Thank you,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com <http://www.wirelessmapping.com/> 

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Robert
Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2021 4:31 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Your Own Satellite Internet

 

Yes, Look up the various "Stats" that have been tethered at the borders 
over the years with balloons for radar coverage of low flying aircraft and the 
NOTAMS that are posted for them.  They have a very large ( relatively ) 
exclusion zone and you have to worry about said tethers falling and doing 
damage on the way down.

On 2/25/21 11:39 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:

Those tethers would be a nightmare for aviation.

 

On Thu, Feb 25, 2021 at 1:31 PM Brian Webster  wrote:

One also has to calculate the window that your satellite is visible on the 
ground of your target service area based on the altitude you will have the bird 
orbiting. Many times any of the Amateur radio satellites only have a 10 or 15 
minute window of visibility a few times a day. For 24/7 internet service you 
need to have many orbital object/satellites such that when one move out of view 
another is there for the handoff. The lower orbit you have, the smaller window 
you have. So a LEO small footprint coverage is still going to take a lot of 
satellites just to cover you small territory. How many all depends on the area 
and altitude. Since your satellite is not going to be in a stationary orbit, I 
am sure you need international cooperation to file for all the orbits you need 
to just cover your small footprint in the US because that orbit goes all the 
way around the earth and has effect on others who might need a similar orbit. A 
good portion of the time your satellite is flying through the sky for your 
local footprint, it’s not going to be doing much of anything because it’s not 
visible to any of your customers. Until we get some sort of tethered satellite 
solution that is tied to the ground and centrifugal force hold the satellite in 
place, these are the laws of physics one has to contend with. If someone can 
invest a very lightweight tethering string of some sort that when it is long 
enough the total weight of said string does not overcome the amount of 
centrifugal force achieved at your desired height to allow the radio/satellite 
to stay in place without needing to be an orbital object. If that is invested 
and it also allows for transmission of adequate power and data, that could be a 
real game changer. As far as I know 90,000 feet of something to be a good 
tether weighs more than the force that could keep the device flung out that far.

 

Re: [AFMUG] Your Own Satellite Internet

[Steve Jones]

maybe they wrap your bird with tin foil like a space boot

On Thu, Feb 25, 2021 at 6:28 PM Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> And where's the tow truck if you just take a spot?
>
> On Thursday, February 25, 2021, Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> So if a nation is not recognized by the UN then they have free parking?
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 25, 2021, 5:52 PM Mark Radabaugh  wrote:
>>
>>> ITU controls the slots:
>>> https://alexsli.com/thespacebar/2017/7/the-international-telecommunications-union-orbital-satellite-parking-enforcement
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
>>> On Feb 25, 2021, at 6:02 PM, Steve Jones 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Who controls the parking spots? And what if you just decide to put one
>>> there? I'd like to have Elon dough where I could just get in a parking spot
>>> fight in space for spite. I wonder if alec Baldwin is the enforcer, he just
>>> punches you in the face if you take a spot.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 25, 2021, 4:30 PM Brian Webster 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Matt,
>>>>
>>>> Looking at your post on Facebook, I think you have
>>>> misunderstood the Geostationary definition. There is only one orbit height
>>>> that rotates around the earth at the same speed as the Earth rotates and it
>>>> is located at the equator. That is called the Clarke Belt and it is 22,236
>>>> miles above the earth. Your question about a Leo and it being Geostationary
>>>> are contradictions in terms. In the Clarke belt since it’s just one line of
>>>> “parking spots” around the earth (at the equator only), one does not just
>>>> set up their own. They are very coveted spots in the belt and only the
>>>> expensive birds reside there. At 22,236 miles above the earth, a Cambium
>>>> radio or similar device won’t have enough power to reach back to a CPE. In
>>>> addition to that and you will have high latency just like the current
>>>> geostationary satellite systems do. That radio signal has to travel 44,472
>>>> miles, hence the latency people complain about.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geostationary_orbit
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thank you,
>>>>
>>>> Brian Webster
>>>>
>>>> www.wirelessmapping.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Robert
>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 25, 2021 4:31 PM
>>>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Your Own Satellite Internet
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yes, Look up the various "Stats" that have been tethered at the
>>>> borders over the years with balloons for radar coverage of low flying
>>>> aircraft and the NOTAMS that are posted for them.  They have a very large (
>>>> relatively ) exclusion zone and you have to worry about said tethers
>>>> falling and doing damage on the way down.
>>>>
>>>> On 2/25/21 11:39 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Those tethers would be a nightmare for aviation.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Feb 25, 2021 at 1:31 PM Brian Webster 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> One also has to calculate the window that your satellite is visible on
>>>> the ground of your target service area based on the altitude you will have
>>>> the bird orbiting. Many times any of the Amateur radio satellites only have
>>>> a 10 or 15 minute window of visibility a few times a day. For 24/7 internet
>>>> service you need to have many orbital object/satellites such that when one
>>>> move out of view another is there for the handoff. The lower orbit you
>>>> have, the smaller window you have. So a LEO small footprint coverage is
>>>> still going to take a lot of satellites just to cover you small territory.
>>>> How many all depends on the area and altitude. Since your satellite is not
>>>> going to be in a stationary orbit, I am sure you need international
>>>> cooperation to file for all the orbits you need to just cover your small
>>>> footprint in the US because that orbit goes all the way around the earth
>>>> and has effect on others who might need a similar orbit. A good portion of
>>>> the tim

Re: [AFMUG] Your Own Satellite Internet

[Jason McKemie]

And where's the tow truck if you just take a spot?

On Thursday, February 25, 2021, Steve Jones 
wrote:

> So if a nation is not recognized by the UN then they have free parking?
>
> On Thu, Feb 25, 2021, 5:52 PM Mark Radabaugh  wrote:
>
>> ITU controls the slots:  https://alexsli.com/thespacebar/2017/7/the-
>> international-telecommunications-union-orbital-satellite-parking-
>> enforcement
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> On Feb 25, 2021, at 6:02 PM, Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Who controls the parking spots? And what if you just decide to put one
>> there? I'd like to have Elon dough where I could just get in a parking spot
>> fight in space for spite. I wonder if alec Baldwin is the enforcer, he just
>> punches you in the face if you take a spot.
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 25, 2021, 4:30 PM Brian Webster 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Matt,
>>>
>>> Looking at your post on Facebook, I think you have
>>> misunderstood the Geostationary definition. There is only one orbit height
>>> that rotates around the earth at the same speed as the Earth rotates and it
>>> is located at the equator. That is called the Clarke Belt and it is 22,236
>>> miles above the earth. Your question about a Leo and it being Geostationary
>>> are contradictions in terms. In the Clarke belt since it’s just one line of
>>> “parking spots” around the earth (at the equator only), one does not just
>>> set up their own. They are very coveted spots in the belt and only the
>>> expensive birds reside there. At 22,236 miles above the earth, a Cambium
>>> radio or similar device won’t have enough power to reach back to a CPE. In
>>> addition to that and you will have high latency just like the current
>>> geostationary satellite systems do. That radio signal has to travel 44,472
>>> miles, hence the latency people complain about.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geostationary_orbit
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thank you,
>>>
>>> Brian Webster
>>>
>>> www.wirelessmapping.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Robert
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 25, 2021 4:31 PM
>>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Your Own Satellite Internet
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Yes, Look up the various "Stats" that have been tethered at the
>>> borders over the years with balloons for radar coverage of low flying
>>> aircraft and the NOTAMS that are posted for them.  They have a very large (
>>> relatively ) exclusion zone and you have to worry about said tethers
>>> falling and doing damage on the way down.
>>>
>>> On 2/25/21 11:39 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>>>
>>> Those tethers would be a nightmare for aviation.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 25, 2021 at 1:31 PM Brian Webster 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> One also has to calculate the window that your satellite is visible on
>>> the ground of your target service area based on the altitude you will have
>>> the bird orbiting. Many times any of the Amateur radio satellites only have
>>> a 10 or 15 minute window of visibility a few times a day. For 24/7 internet
>>> service you need to have many orbital object/satellites such that when one
>>> move out of view another is there for the handoff. The lower orbit you
>>> have, the smaller window you have. So a LEO small footprint coverage is
>>> still going to take a lot of satellites just to cover you small territory.
>>> How many all depends on the area and altitude. Since your satellite is not
>>> going to be in a stationary orbit, I am sure you need international
>>> cooperation to file for all the orbits you need to just cover your small
>>> footprint in the US because that orbit goes all the way around the earth
>>> and has effect on others who might need a similar orbit. A good portion of
>>> the time your satellite is flying through the sky for your local footprint,
>>> it’s not going to be doing much of anything because it’s not visible to any
>>> of your customers. Until we get some sort of tethered satellite solution
>>> that is tied to the ground and centrifugal force hold the satellite in
>>> place, these are the laws of physics one has to contend with. If someone
>>> can invest a very lightweight tethering string of some sort that when it is
>>> long enoug

Re: [AFMUG] Your Own Satellite Internet

[Steve Jones]

So if a nation is not recognized by the UN then they have free parking?

On Thu, Feb 25, 2021, 5:52 PM Mark Radabaugh  wrote:

> ITU controls the slots:
> https://alexsli.com/thespacebar/2017/7/the-international-telecommunications-union-orbital-satellite-parking-enforcement
>
> Mark
>
> On Feb 25, 2021, at 6:02 PM, Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
> Who controls the parking spots? And what if you just decide to put one
> there? I'd like to have Elon dough where I could just get in a parking spot
> fight in space for spite. I wonder if alec Baldwin is the enforcer, he just
> punches you in the face if you take a spot.
>
> On Thu, Feb 25, 2021, 4:30 PM Brian Webster 
> wrote:
>
>> Matt,
>>
>> Looking at your post on Facebook, I think you have
>> misunderstood the Geostationary definition. There is only one orbit height
>> that rotates around the earth at the same speed as the Earth rotates and it
>> is located at the equator. That is called the Clarke Belt and it is 22,236
>> miles above the earth. Your question about a Leo and it being Geostationary
>> are contradictions in terms. In the Clarke belt since it’s just one line of
>> “parking spots” around the earth (at the equator only), one does not just
>> set up their own. They are very coveted spots in the belt and only the
>> expensive birds reside there. At 22,236 miles above the earth, a Cambium
>> radio or similar device won’t have enough power to reach back to a CPE. In
>> addition to that and you will have high latency just like the current
>> geostationary satellite systems do. That radio signal has to travel 44,472
>> miles, hence the latency people complain about.
>>
>>
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geostationary_orbit
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>> Brian Webster
>>
>> www.wirelessmapping.com
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Robert
>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 25, 2021 4:31 PM
>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Your Own Satellite Internet
>>
>>
>>
>> Yes, Look up the various "Stats" that have been tethered at the
>> borders over the years with balloons for radar coverage of low flying
>> aircraft and the NOTAMS that are posted for them.  They have a very large (
>> relatively ) exclusion zone and you have to worry about said tethers
>> falling and doing damage on the way down.
>>
>> On 2/25/21 11:39 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>>
>> Those tethers would be a nightmare for aviation.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 25, 2021 at 1:31 PM Brian Webster 
>> wrote:
>>
>> One also has to calculate the window that your satellite is visible on
>> the ground of your target service area based on the altitude you will have
>> the bird orbiting. Many times any of the Amateur radio satellites only have
>> a 10 or 15 minute window of visibility a few times a day. For 24/7 internet
>> service you need to have many orbital object/satellites such that when one
>> move out of view another is there for the handoff. The lower orbit you
>> have, the smaller window you have. So a LEO small footprint coverage is
>> still going to take a lot of satellites just to cover you small territory.
>> How many all depends on the area and altitude. Since your satellite is not
>> going to be in a stationary orbit, I am sure you need international
>> cooperation to file for all the orbits you need to just cover your small
>> footprint in the US because that orbit goes all the way around the earth
>> and has effect on others who might need a similar orbit. A good portion of
>> the time your satellite is flying through the sky for your local footprint,
>> it’s not going to be doing much of anything because it’s not visible to any
>> of your customers. Until we get some sort of tethered satellite solution
>> that is tied to the ground and centrifugal force hold the satellite in
>> place, these are the laws of physics one has to contend with. If someone
>> can invest a very lightweight tethering string of some sort that when it is
>> long enough the total weight of said string does not overcome the amount of
>> centrifugal force achieved at your desired height to allow the
>> radio/satellite to stay in place without needing to be an orbital object.
>> If that is invested and it also allows for transmission of adequate power
>> and data, that could be a real game changer. As far as I know 90,000 feet
>> of something to be a good tether weighs more than the force that could keep
>> the device flu

Re: [AFMUG] Your Own Satellite Internet

[Mark Radabaugh]

ITU controls the slots:  
https://alexsli.com/thespacebar/2017/7/the-international-telecommunications-union-orbital-satellite-parking-enforcement

Mark

> On Feb 25, 2021, at 6:02 PM, Steve Jones  wrote:
> 
> Who controls the parking spots? And what if you just decide to put one there? 
> I'd like to have Elon dough where I could just get in a parking spot fight in 
> space for spite. I wonder if alec Baldwin is the enforcer, he just punches 
> you in the face if you take a spot.
> 
> On Thu, Feb 25, 2021, 4:30 PM Brian Webster  <mailto:i...@wirelessmapping.com>> wrote:
> Matt,
> 
> Looking at your post on Facebook, I think you have 
> misunderstood the Geostationary definition. There is only one orbit height 
> that rotates around the earth at the same speed as the Earth rotates and it 
> is located at the equator. That is called the Clarke Belt and it is 22,236 
> miles above the earth. Your question about a Leo and it being Geostationary 
> are contradictions in terms. In the Clarke belt since it’s just one line of 
> “parking spots” around the earth (at the equator only), one does not just set 
> up their own. They are very coveted spots in the belt and only the expensive 
> birds reside there. At 22,236 miles above the earth, a Cambium radio or 
> similar device won’t have enough power to reach back to a CPE. In addition to 
> that and you will have high latency just like the current geostationary 
> satellite systems do. That radio signal has to travel 44,472 miles, hence the 
> latency people complain about.
> 
>  
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geostationary_orbit 
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geostationary_orbit>
>  
> 
>  
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> Brian Webster
> 
> www.wirelessmapping.com <http://www.wirelessmapping.com/>
>  
> 
> From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>] On 
> Behalf Of Robert
> Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2021 4:31 PM
> To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Your Own Satellite Internet
> 
>  
> 
> Yes, Look up the various "Stats" that have been tethered at the borders 
> over the years with balloons for radar coverage of low flying aircraft and 
> the NOTAMS that are posted for them.  They have a very large ( relatively ) 
> exclusion zone and you have to worry about said tethers falling and doing 
> damage on the way down.
> 
> On 2/25/21 11:39 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:
> 
> Those tethers would be a nightmare for aviation.
> 
>  
> 
> On Thu, Feb 25, 2021 at 1:31 PM Brian Webster  <mailto:i...@wirelessmapping.com>> wrote:
> 
> One also has to calculate the window that your satellite is visible on the 
> ground of your target service area based on the altitude you will have the 
> bird orbiting. Many times any of the Amateur radio satellites only have a 10 
> or 15 minute window of visibility a few times a day. For 24/7 internet 
> service you need to have many orbital object/satellites such that when one 
> move out of view another is there for the handoff. The lower orbit you have, 
> the smaller window you have. So a LEO small footprint coverage is still going 
> to take a lot of satellites just to cover you small territory. How many all 
> depends on the area and altitude. Since your satellite is not going to be in 
> a stationary orbit, I am sure you need international cooperation to file for 
> all the orbits you need to just cover your small footprint in the US because 
> that orbit goes all the way around the earth and has effect on others who 
> might need a similar orbit. A good portion of the time your satellite is 
> flying through the sky for your local footprint, it’s not going to be doing 
> much of anything because it’s not visible to any of your customers. Until we 
> get some sort of tethered satellite solution that is tied to the ground and 
> centrifugal force hold the satellite in place, these are the laws of physics 
> one has to contend with. If someone can invest a very lightweight tethering 
> string of some sort that when it is long enough the total weight of said 
> string does not overcome the amount of centrifugal force achieved at your 
> desired height to allow the radio/satellite to stay in place without needing 
> to be an orbital object. If that is invested and it also allows for 
> transmission of adequate power and data, that could be a real game changer. 
> As far as I know 90,000 feet of something to be a good tether weighs more 
> than the force that could keep the device flung out that far.
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> Here is an animated version of this graphic 
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Iridium_

Re: [AFMUG] Your Own Satellite Internet

[Steve Jones]

we use skyhooks from roofing supply house to hold our balloons in place.
theyre really designed for use when youre on the peak putting the ridge cap
and theres nothing above you to hook your lanyard to


On Thu, Feb 25, 2021 at 3:50 PM Matt Hoppes <
mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:

> How did you keep the balloons in place?
>
> On 2/25/21 3:32 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
> > We worked on a project where they used untethered balloons with radio
> > transmitter for an oil field project.  They used it while towers were
> > erected for licensed 900MHz links... company was out of Phoenix area.
> > They mostly did military related stuff...
> > I think the balloons went up to 65k feet...the box with gear was small..
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 25, 2021, 12:40 PM Jason McKemie
> >  > > wrote:
> >
> > Those tethers would be a nightmare for aviation.
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 25, 2021 at 1:31 PM Brian Webster
> > mailto:i...@wirelessmapping.com>> wrote:
> >
> > One also has to calculate the window that your satellite is
> > visible on the ground of your target service area based on the
> > altitude you will have the bird orbiting. Many times any of the
> > Amateur radio satellites only have a 10 or 15 minute window of
> > visibility a few times a day. For 24/7 internet service you need
> > to have many orbital object/satellites such that when one move
> > out of view another is there for the handoff. The lower orbit
> > you have, the smaller window you have. So a LEO small footprint
> > coverage is still going to take a lot of satellites just to
> > cover you small territory. How many all depends on the area and
> > altitude. Since your satellite is not going to be in a
> > stationary orbit, I am sure you need international cooperation
> > to file for all the orbits you need to just cover your small
> > footprint in the US because that orbit goes all the way around
> > the earth and has effect on others who might need a similar
> > orbit. A good portion of the time your satellite is flying
> > through the sky for your local footprint, it’s not going to be
> > doing much of anything because it’s not visible to any of your
> > customers. Until we get some sort of tethered satellite solution
> > that is tied to the ground and centrifugal force hold the
> > satellite in place, these are the laws of physics one has to
> > contend with. If someone can invest a very lightweight tethering
> > string of some sort that when it is long enough the total weight
> > of said string does not overcome the amount of centrifugal force
> > achieved at your desired height to allow the radio/satellite to
> > stay in place without needing to be an orbital object. If that
> > is invested and it also allows for transmission of adequate
> > power and data, that could be a real game changer. As far as I
> > know 90,000 feet of something to be a good tether weighs more
> > than the force that could keep the device flung out that far.
> >
> > __ __
> >
> > File:Iridium Coverage Animation.gif
> >
> > __ __
> >
> > Here is an animated version of this graphic
> >
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Iridium_Coverage_Animation.gif
> >
> > __ __
> >
> > If you want to get an idea of satellite visibilities and the
> > number of times per day you can view it, this program is a great
> > satellite prediction and tracking program
> > http://gpredict.oz9aec.net/
> >
> > Gpredict: Free, Real-Time Satellite Tracking and Orbit
> > Prediction Software
> >
> > __ __
> >
> > Here is a short video that does a decent job of illustrating the
> > complexity of orbital mechanics one has to consider. Earth
> > rotation, orbit direction, power consideration if you want to be
> > sun synchronous etc.
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omv38sEBxk8=emb_logo
> >
> > __ __
> >
> > __ __
> >
> > __ __
> >
> > Thank you,
> >
> > Brian Webster
> >
> > www.wirelessmapping.com 
> >
> > __ __
> >
> > *From:*AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com
> > ] *On Behalf Of *Carl Peterson
> > *Sent:* Thursday, February 25, 2021 1:43 PM
> > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Your Own Satellite Internet
> >
> > __ __
> >
> > As Adam points out, your satellite isn't just going to float
> > there.  It needs a lot of speed.  That speed would have it
> > moving "past" you really really fast until you got to 

Re: [AFMUG] Your Own Satellite Internet

[Jan-GAMs]

The only way I can think of that could work without messing other stuff 
up, is a narrow beam, straight up.  You'd need to modify the the 
communication standard for what the cable-TV uses for their CMTS-modems 
that Hughes and Wild Blue copied.  I think it's an open-standard.  But 
then there is the expense of keeping the helium in the balloon that is 
holding your satellite in orbit, keeping the thrusters active to keep 
your radio up there above your house pointing at you and the expense of 
re-supply as 90,000 feet still has enough drag to slow your satellite 
down.  to send it out to 22,000 miles for a stationary orbit is going to 
add a few $million to the expense of a rocket, but you'll only have to 
spend that cash once.  Re-supply of a low orbit device would be probably 
just as expensive.  You would need to invent a very cheap device that 
you could send up that would have enough power on board to hold a 
stationary orbit above your house and then you'd still need an internet 
connection for a backhaul to the satellite.


Of course the government is going to come after you for breaking all 
kinds of their rules.  What are they going to do, take away your 
birthday?  I don't think N.Korea asks for permission, nobody has 
arrested Kim yet.  As far as I know the actual signal necessary to 
establish a communication to 22,000 miles out is about the same as what 
a ubnt powerbeam uses to connect to a tower 6 miles away.  I recall 
reading somewhere that NASA used a .5watt radio on the moon back in 1969 
for data, maybe I misremembered that.


On 2/25/21 10:03 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:

Well then.

On 2/25/21 1:02 PM, Matt Hopkins wrote:
If I recall correctly it is illegal to aim a 5GHz radio > 3° above 
the horizon.


On Thu, Feb 25, 2021 at 9:43 AM Matt Hoppes 
> wrote:


    So here me out.      I've been to low earth orbit (90,000 feet) with
    equipment I can get in my basement/hardware store.   I've beamed
    signals
    back from 90,000 feet to a radio in my truck.

    I'm familiar with how AmSats work (although have not sent one up
    myself).

    What is preventing a WISP from putting together a solar powered 
GeoSync

    satellite that has a few Cambium Spots on it to fully cover your
    coverage area?

    Yes, you'd have capacity issues if you didn't plan it correctly, 
but is

    there technically any reason I can't run a 5GHz link to a satellite?
    Do you have to pay a "rental" fee to occupy a space in space to park
    your bird?

    Yes, I realize there would be latency, but if you keep the 
throughput

    there (something Hughes Doesn't Do), the experience wouldn't be half
    bad
    for most things..

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Re: [AFMUG] Your Own Satellite Internet

[Matt Hoppes]

How did you keep the balloons in place?

On 2/25/21 3:32 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote:
We worked on a project where they used untethered balloons with radio 
transmitter for an oil field project.  They used it while towers were 
erected for licensed 900MHz links... company was out of Phoenix area.

They mostly did military related stuff...
I think the balloons went up to 65k feet...the box with gear was small..

On Thu, Feb 25, 2021, 12:40 PM Jason McKemie 
> wrote:


Those tethers would be a nightmare for aviation.

On Thu, Feb 25, 2021 at 1:31 PM Brian Webster
mailto:i...@wirelessmapping.com>> wrote:

One also has to calculate the window that your satellite is
visible on the ground of your target service area based on the
altitude you will have the bird orbiting. Many times any of the
Amateur radio satellites only have a 10 or 15 minute window of
visibility a few times a day. For 24/7 internet service you need
to have many orbital object/satellites such that when one move
out of view another is there for the handoff. The lower orbit
you have, the smaller window you have. So a LEO small footprint
coverage is still going to take a lot of satellites just to
cover you small territory. How many all depends on the area and
altitude. Since your satellite is not going to be in a
stationary orbit, I am sure you need international cooperation
to file for all the orbits you need to just cover your small
footprint in the US because that orbit goes all the way around
the earth and has effect on others who might need a similar
orbit. A good portion of the time your satellite is flying
through the sky for your local footprint, it’s not going to be
doing much of anything because it’s not visible to any of your
customers. Until we get some sort of tethered satellite solution
that is tied to the ground and centrifugal force hold the
satellite in place, these are the laws of physics one has to
contend with. If someone can invest a very lightweight tethering
string of some sort that when it is long enough the total weight
of said string does not overcome the amount of centrifugal force
achieved at your desired height to allow the radio/satellite to
stay in place without needing to be an orbital object. If that
is invested and it also allows for transmission of adequate
power and data, that could be a real game changer. As far as I
know 90,000 feet of something to be a good tether weighs more
than the force that could keep the device flung out that far.

__ __

File:Iridium Coverage Animation.gif

__ __

Here is an animated version of this graphic

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Iridium_Coverage_Animation.gif

__ __

If you want to get an idea of satellite visibilities and the
number of times per day you can view it, this program is a great
satellite prediction and tracking program
http://gpredict.oz9aec.net/

Gpredict: Free, Real-Time Satellite Tracking and Orbit
Prediction Software

__ __

Here is a short video that does a decent job of illustrating the
complexity of orbital mechanics one has to consider. Earth
rotation, orbit direction, power consideration if you want to be
sun synchronous etc.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omv38sEBxk8=emb_logo

__ __

__ __

__ __

Thank you,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com 

__ __

*From:*AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com
] *On Behalf Of *Carl Peterson
*Sent:* Thursday, February 25, 2021 1:43 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Your Own Satellite Internet

__ __

As Adam points out, your satellite isn't just going to float
there.  It needs a lot of speed.  That speed would have it
moving "past" you really really fast until you got to about 26k
miles up where it would remain still relative to you.  If you
wanted it to float at 90k' you would need a balloon or something
like that but that's a loony idea.



__ __

On Thu, Feb 25, 2021 at 12:34 PM Adam Moffett
mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I know a guy I could ask. 

On 2/25/2021 1:20 PM, Steve Jones wrote:

can you get hot pockets on jail commissaries? 

__ __

__ __

On Thu, Feb 25, 2021 at 12:08 PM Adam Moffett
mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>>

Re: [AFMUG] Your Own Satellite Internet

[Carl Peterson]

As Adam points out, your satellite isn't just going to float there.  It
needs a lot of speed.  That speed would have it moving "past" you really
really fast until you got to about 26k miles up where it would remain still
relative to you.  If you wanted it to float at 90k' you would need a
balloon or something like that but that's a loony idea.


On Thu, Feb 25, 2021 at 12:34 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> I know a guy I could ask.
> On 2/25/2021 1:20 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
>
> can you get hot pockets on jail commissaries?
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 25, 2021 at 12:08 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
>> wellAiming at thousand foot tower from close range customers we are
>> definitely sometimes more than 3 degrees up.  Put me in jail I guess.
>>
>>
>> On 2/25/2021 1:02 PM, Matt Hopkins wrote:
>>
>> If I recall correctly it is illegal to aim a 5GHz radio > 3° above the
>> horizon.
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 25, 2021 at 9:43 AM Matt Hoppes <
>> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>>
>>> So here me out.  I've been to low earth orbit (90,000 feet) with
>>> equipment I can get in my basement/hardware store.   I've beamed signals
>>> back from 90,000 feet to a radio in my truck.
>>>
>>> I'm familiar with how AmSats work (although have not sent one up myself).
>>>
>>> What is preventing a WISP from putting together a solar powered GeoSync
>>> satellite that has a few Cambium Spots on it to fully cover your
>>> coverage area?
>>>
>>> Yes, you'd have capacity issues if you didn't plan it correctly, but is
>>> there technically any reason I can't run a 5GHz link to a satellite?
>>> Do you have to pay a "rental" fee to occupy a space in space to park
>>> your bird?
>>>
>>> Yes, I realize there would be latency, but if you keep the throughput
>>> there (something Hughes Doesn't Do), the experience wouldn't be half bad
>>> for most things..
>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Your Own Satellite Internet

[Adam Moffett]

I know a guy I could ask.

On 2/25/2021 1:20 PM, Steve Jones wrote:

can you get hot pockets on jail commissaries?


On Thu, Feb 25, 2021 at 12:08 PM Adam Moffett > wrote:


wellAiming at thousand foot tower from close range customers
we are definitely sometimes more than 3 degrees up.  Put me in
jail I guess.


On 2/25/2021 1:02 PM, Matt Hopkins wrote:

If I recall correctly it is illegal to aim a 5GHz radio > 3°
above the horizon.

On Thu, Feb 25, 2021 at 9:43 AM Matt Hoppes
mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>> wrote:

So here me out.   I've been to low earth orbit (90,000 feet)
with
equipment I can get in my basement/hardware store.  I've
beamed signals
back from 90,000 feet to a radio in my truck.

I'm familiar with how AmSats work (although have not sent one
up myself).

What is preventing a WISP from putting together a solar
powered GeoSync
satellite that has a few Cambium Spots on it to fully cover your
coverage area?

Yes, you'd have capacity issues if you didn't plan it
correctly, but is
there technically any reason I can't run a 5GHz link to a
satellite?
Do you have to pay a "rental" fee to occupy a space in space
to park
your bird?

Yes, I realize there would be latency, but if you keep the
throughput
there (something Hughes Doesn't Do), the experience wouldn't
be half bad
for most things..

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Re: [AFMUG] Your Own Satellite Internet

[Mike Hammett]

I believe that only applies to 5150 - 5250. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Matt Hopkins"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2021 12:02:13 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Your Own Satellite Internet 


If I recall correctly it is illegal to aim a 5GHz radio > 3° above the horizon. 



On Thu, Feb 25, 2021 at 9:43 AM Matt Hoppes < mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net 
> wrote: 


So here me out. I've been to low earth orbit (90,000 feet) with 
equipment I can get in my basement/hardware store. I've beamed signals 
back from 90,000 feet to a radio in my truck. 

I'm familiar with how AmSats work (although have not sent one up myself). 

What is preventing a WISP from putting together a solar powered GeoSync 
satellite that has a few Cambium Spots on it to fully cover your 
coverage area? 

Yes, you'd have capacity issues if you didn't plan it correctly, but is 
there technically any reason I can't run a 5GHz link to a satellite? 
Do you have to pay a "rental" fee to occupy a space in space to park 
your bird? 

Yes, I realize there would be latency, but if you keep the throughput 
there (something Hughes Doesn't Do), the experience wouldn't be half bad 
for most things.. 

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Re: [AFMUG] Your Own Satellite Internet

[Steve Jones]

can you get hot pockets on jail commissaries?


On Thu, Feb 25, 2021 at 12:08 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> wellAiming at thousand foot tower from close range customers we are
> definitely sometimes more than 3 degrees up.  Put me in jail I guess.
>
>
> On 2/25/2021 1:02 PM, Matt Hopkins wrote:
>
> If I recall correctly it is illegal to aim a 5GHz radio > 3° above the
> horizon.
>
> On Thu, Feb 25, 2021 at 9:43 AM Matt Hoppes <
> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>
>> So here me out.  I've been to low earth orbit (90,000 feet) with
>> equipment I can get in my basement/hardware store.   I've beamed signals
>> back from 90,000 feet to a radio in my truck.
>>
>> I'm familiar with how AmSats work (although have not sent one up myself).
>>
>> What is preventing a WISP from putting together a solar powered GeoSync
>> satellite that has a few Cambium Spots on it to fully cover your
>> coverage area?
>>
>> Yes, you'd have capacity issues if you didn't plan it correctly, but is
>> there technically any reason I can't run a 5GHz link to a satellite?
>> Do you have to pay a "rental" fee to occupy a space in space to park
>> your bird?
>>
>> Yes, I realize there would be latency, but if you keep the throughput
>> there (something Hughes Doesn't Do), the experience wouldn't be half bad
>> for most things..
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Your Own Satellite Internet

[Adam Moffett]

wellAiming at thousand foot tower from close range customers we are 
definitely sometimes more than 3 degrees up.  Put me in jail I guess.



On 2/25/2021 1:02 PM, Matt Hopkins wrote:
If I recall correctly it is illegal to aim a 5GHz radio > 3° above the 
horizon.


On Thu, Feb 25, 2021 at 9:43 AM Matt Hoppes 
> wrote:


So here me out.      I've been to low earth orbit (90,000 feet) with
equipment I can get in my basement/hardware store.   I've beamed
signals
back from 90,000 feet to a radio in my truck.

I'm familiar with how AmSats work (although have not sent one up
myself).

What is preventing a WISP from putting together a solar powered
GeoSync
satellite that has a few Cambium Spots on it to fully cover your
coverage area?

Yes, you'd have capacity issues if you didn't plan it correctly,
but is
there technically any reason I can't run a 5GHz link to a satellite?
Do you have to pay a "rental" fee to occupy a space in space to park
your bird?

Yes, I realize there would be latency, but if you keep the throughput
there (something Hughes Doesn't Do), the experience wouldn't be
half bad
for most things..

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Re: [AFMUG] Your Own Satellite Internet

[Matt Hoppes]

Well then.

On 2/25/21 1:02 PM, Matt Hopkins wrote:
If I recall correctly it is illegal to aim a 5GHz radio > 3° above the 
horizon.


On Thu, Feb 25, 2021 at 9:43 AM Matt Hoppes 
> wrote:


So here me out.      I've been to low earth orbit (90,000 feet) with
equipment I can get in my basement/hardware store.   I've beamed
signals
back from 90,000 feet to a radio in my truck.

I'm familiar with how AmSats work (although have not sent one up
myself).

What is preventing a WISP from putting together a solar powered GeoSync
satellite that has a few Cambium Spots on it to fully cover your
coverage area?

Yes, you'd have capacity issues if you didn't plan it correctly, but is
there technically any reason I can't run a 5GHz link to a satellite?
Do you have to pay a "rental" fee to occupy a space in space to park
your bird?

Yes, I realize there would be latency, but if you keep the throughput
there (something Hughes Doesn't Do), the experience wouldn't be half
bad
for most things..

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Re: [AFMUG] Your Own Satellite Internet

[Matt Hopkins]

If I recall correctly it is illegal to aim a 5GHz radio > 3° above the
horizon.

On Thu, Feb 25, 2021 at 9:43 AM Matt Hoppes <
mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:

> So here me out.  I've been to low earth orbit (90,000 feet) with
> equipment I can get in my basement/hardware store.   I've beamed signals
> back from 90,000 feet to a radio in my truck.
>
> I'm familiar with how AmSats work (although have not sent one up myself).
>
> What is preventing a WISP from putting together a solar powered GeoSync
> satellite that has a few Cambium Spots on it to fully cover your
> coverage area?
>
> Yes, you'd have capacity issues if you didn't plan it correctly, but is
> there technically any reason I can't run a 5GHz link to a satellite?
> Do you have to pay a "rental" fee to occupy a space in space to park
> your bird?
>
> Yes, I realize there would be latency, but if you keep the throughput
> there (something Hughes Doesn't Do), the experience wouldn't be half bad
> for most things..
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Your Own Satellite Internet

[Matt Hoppes]

Agreed... there's got to be a way to do this though.

On 2/25/21 12:57 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:
This may be a pedantic difference, but it's an important one: You 
haven't been to low earth orbit unless you accelerated to 17,000mph or 
so.  You might have visited the edge of orbital altitude at some point, 
but you weren't "in orbit" unless you also achieved the required Delta-V.


Geosync is quite a bit further than low orbit.  26,000 miles or so, and 
you have to go even faster to stay there.


I have no idea what the rules are for owning a satellite.  I doubt 
there's any rent, but getting the speed is expensive enough to be a 
barrier to entry for almost anyone.



On 2/25/2021 12:43 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
So here me out.  I've been to low earth orbit (90,000 feet) with 
equipment I can get in my basement/hardware store.   I've beamed 
signals back from 90,000 feet to a radio in my truck.


I'm familiar with how AmSats work (although have not sent one up myself).

What is preventing a WISP from putting together a solar powered 
GeoSync satellite that has a few Cambium Spots on it to fully cover 
your coverage area?


Yes, you'd have capacity issues if you didn't plan it correctly, but 
is there technically any reason I can't run a 5GHz link to a 
satellite? Do you have to pay a "rental" fee to occupy a space in 
space to park your bird?


Yes, I realize there would be latency, but if you keep the throughput 
there (something Hughes Doesn't Do), the experience wouldn't be half 
bad for most things..






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Re: [AFMUG] Your Own Satellite Internet

[Adam Moffett]

This may be a pedantic difference, but it's an important one: You 
haven't been to low earth orbit unless you accelerated to 17,000mph or 
so.  You might have visited the edge of orbital altitude at some point, 
but you weren't "in orbit" unless you also achieved the required Delta-V.


Geosync is quite a bit further than low orbit.  26,000 miles or so, and 
you have to go even faster to stay there.


I have no idea what the rules are for owning a satellite.  I doubt 
there's any rent, but getting the speed is expensive enough to be a 
barrier to entry for almost anyone.



On 2/25/2021 12:43 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
So here me out.  I've been to low earth orbit (90,000 feet) with 
equipment I can get in my basement/hardware store.   I've beamed 
signals back from 90,000 feet to a radio in my truck.


I'm familiar with how AmSats work (although have not sent one up myself).

What is preventing a WISP from putting together a solar powered 
GeoSync satellite that has a few Cambium Spots on it to fully cover 
your coverage area?


Yes, you'd have capacity issues if you didn't plan it correctly, but 
is there technically any reason I can't run a 5GHz link to a 
satellite? Do you have to pay a "rental" fee to occupy a space in 
space to park your bird?


Yes, I realize there would be latency, but if you keep the throughput 
there (something Hughes Doesn't Do), the experience wouldn't be half 
bad for most things..




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[Matt Hoppes]

So here me out.  I've been to low earth orbit (90,000 feet) with 
equipment I can get in my basement/hardware store.   I've beamed signals 
back from 90,000 feet to a radio in my truck.


I'm familiar with how AmSats work (although have not sent one up myself).

What is preventing a WISP from putting together a solar powered GeoSync 
satellite that has a few Cambium Spots on it to fully cover your 
coverage area?


Yes, you'd have capacity issues if you didn't plan it correctly, but is 
there technically any reason I can't run a 5GHz link to a satellite? 
Do you have to pay a "rental" fee to occupy a space in space to park 
your bird?


Yes, I realize there would be latency, but if you keep the throughput 
there (something Hughes Doesn't Do), the experience wouldn't be half bad 
for most things..


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