Re: [AFMUG] OT: stocks

[Bill Prince]

  
  
Read an article in Bloomberg today speculating that the pandemic
  has accelerated "peak oil". The original concept was that we would
  run out of oil, because it is a finite resource. What happened
  during the pandemic is that demand crashed. Something like 19
  million barrels less of oil being consumed worldwide because of
  the impact to transportation. Peak production has not occured
  because of fracking, oil sands, and oil shale. So we are reaching
  peak oil, but not supply; rather demand. Sure it will pick up as
  we leave the pandemic, but the overall result is that oil is seen
  now as a declining business. Estimates from various are that oil
  will become a declining business anywhere from 2028 to around
  2035.

Curiously, demand for electric vehicles did not diminish. And now
  solar electricity is the lowest cost energy production.
  Speculation is that because solar is not a commodity, but an
  energy source that keeps on giving, that current trends will
  continue.


bp

On 12/2/2020 5:49 PM, Steve Jones
  wrote:


  
  Psuedo green energy sector will probably bump when
the election is certified and then again after inauguration. 
Wind energy has the best grift so theyll probably see a lot of
motion. Chinese owned solar will move too
  
  
On Wed, Dec 2, 2020, 5:28 PM
  Matt Hoppes 
  wrote:

Recently got
  back into stocks and day trading. 
  
  Any recommendations on short term stocks to hold for a few
  months with extra cash?
  
  Any experience with ARK ETFs or other ETFs?
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: stocks

[Ken Hohhof]

I guess if you could figure out the likely winners and losers among AT, 
Verizon, TMobile and DISH you could use some stock or option strategy to bet on 
one outperforming the other no matter what the whole group or the economy does.

 

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Psuedo green energy sector will probably bump when the election is certified 
and then again after inauguration.  Wind energy has the best grift so theyll 
probably see a lot of motion. Chinese owned solar will move too

 

On Wed, Dec 2, 2020, 5:28 PM Matt Hoppes mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> > wrote:

Recently got back into stocks and day trading. 

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: stocks

[Steve Jones]

Psuedo green energy sector will probably bump when the election is
certified and then again after inauguration.  Wind energy has the best
grift so theyll probably see a lot of motion. Chinese owned solar will move
too

On Wed, Dec 2, 2020, 5:28 PM Matt Hoppes 
wrote:

> Recently got back into stocks and day trading.
>
> Any recommendations on short term stocks to hold for a few months with
> extra cash?
>
> Any experience with ARK ETFs or other ETFs?
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Re: [AFMUG] ot stocks

[Steve Jones]

theyre hinting at a china trade deal, its by design to spike the markets,
theres not going to be a deal this year, theyll delay the new round of
tariffs before sunday. I wish i was a smart guy and knew how to leverage
that, im afraid of heights now so id like to get rich and not have to climb
anything anymore

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> My index fund is up 3% in the last 30 days.  Gheeze I hope it lasts...
> Makes me want to reach in and skim the cream off the top...
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Re: [AFMUG] ot stocks

[Ken Hohhof]

Might want to do it, depending on your tax situation.  I just talked to my
investment advisor and he had me sell some of a growth fund I had in my
portfolio (LGLCX).  He is advising selling off some "growth" stocks as they
could be vulnerable due to high valuations and betas.  (LGLCX holds stocks
like Amazon, Microsoft, Alphabet, etc.)

 

 

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My index fund is up 3% in the last 30 days.  Gheeze I hope it lasts...
Makes me want to reach in and skim the cream off the top...

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Stocks

[Bill Prince]

ETFs are generally in a much more narrow market segment, so probably
involve a bit more risk. However, they are less risky than individual
stocks. ETFs are probably lower cost, but not by a lot.

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> Whats the difference in risk factor between ETF's and Index funds? What
> would you choose?
>
> On Tue, Jan 29, 2019 at 2:13 PM Bill Prince  wrote:
>
>>
>> Playing the stock market is tough for the experts because they don't
>> really know what's happening. You can take their advice, and just be one
>> more step behind them. Buying indexes gives you the collective wisdom of
>> the entire market (whichever one the index tracks). Most of us do not have
>> them time or patience or resources or luck to be successful trading
>> individual stocks.
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>>
>> On Tue, Jan 29, 2019 at 12:57 PM John Osmon 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 29, 2019 at 09:37:09AM -0600, Lewis Bergman wrote:
>>> > Indexes do well. You get the benefit of a pretty well managed fund but
>>> > without the high costs. All those indexes add and remove stocks
>>> regularly
>>> > which keeps their performance generrally marching upward.
>>>
>>> Yep.  If you get into the math of portfolio management it becomes pretty
>>> obvious that a random smattering of diverse stocks performs (on average)
>>> at least as good as the market as a whole.  While picking stocks has
>>> higher volatility -- and thus more risk/reward.
>>>
>>> If you want to pick stocks rather based on something other than an
>>> index, you need to be lucky, or have information few others have.
>>>
>>> To bring it back into networking, look up some of the HFT folks (Anton
>>> Kapella here?).  Geting a few millisecond advantage of information can
>>> sometimes *BE* that "information few others have" and thus can
>>> make/break transactions.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Stocks

[Sam Lambie]

Whats the difference in risk factor between ETF's and Index funds? What
would you choose?

On Tue, Jan 29, 2019 at 2:13 PM Bill Prince  wrote:

>
> Playing the stock market is tough for the experts because they don't
> really know what's happening. You can take their advice, and just be one
> more step behind them. Buying indexes gives you the collective wisdom of
> the entire market (whichever one the index tracks). Most of us do not have
> them time or patience or resources or luck to be successful trading
> individual stocks.
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>
> On Tue, Jan 29, 2019 at 12:57 PM John Osmon 
> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Jan 29, 2019 at 09:37:09AM -0600, Lewis Bergman wrote:
>> > Indexes do well. You get the benefit of a pretty well managed fund but
>> > without the high costs. All those indexes add and remove stocks
>> regularly
>> > which keeps their performance generrally marching upward.
>>
>> Yep.  If you get into the math of portfolio management it becomes pretty
>> obvious that a random smattering of diverse stocks performs (on average)
>> at least as good as the market as a whole.  While picking stocks has
>> higher volatility -- and thus more risk/reward.
>>
>> If you want to pick stocks rather based on something other than an
>> index, you need to be lucky, or have information few others have.
>>
>> To bring it back into networking, look up some of the HFT folks (Anton
>> Kapella here?).  Geting a few millisecond advantage of information can
>> sometimes *BE* that "information few others have" and thus can
>> make/break transactions.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Stocks

[Bill Prince]

Playing the stock market is tough for the experts because they don't really
know what's happening. You can take their advice, and just be one more step
behind them. Buying indexes gives you the collective wisdom of the entire
market (whichever one the index tracks). Most of us do not have them time
or patience or resources or luck to be successful trading individual stocks.

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On Tue, Jan 29, 2019 at 12:57 PM John Osmon  wrote:

> On Tue, Jan 29, 2019 at 09:37:09AM -0600, Lewis Bergman wrote:
> > Indexes do well. You get the benefit of a pretty well managed fund but
> > without the high costs. All those indexes add and remove stocks regularly
> > which keeps their performance generrally marching upward.
>
> Yep.  If you get into the math of portfolio management it becomes pretty
> obvious that a random smattering of diverse stocks performs (on average)
> at least as good as the market as a whole.  While picking stocks has
> higher volatility -- and thus more risk/reward.
>
> If you want to pick stocks rather based on something other than an
> index, you need to be lucky, or have information few others have.
>
> To bring it back into networking, look up some of the HFT folks (Anton
> Kapella here?).  Geting a few millisecond advantage of information can
> sometimes *BE* that "information few others have" and thus can
> make/break transactions.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Stocks

[John Osmon]

On Tue, Jan 29, 2019 at 09:37:09AM -0600, Lewis Bergman wrote:
> Indexes do well. You get the benefit of a pretty well managed fund but
> without the high costs. All those indexes add and remove stocks regularly
> which keeps their performance generrally marching upward.

Yep.  If you get into the math of portfolio management it becomes pretty
obvious that a random smattering of diverse stocks performs (on average)
at least as good as the market as a whole.  While picking stocks has
higher volatility -- and thus more risk/reward.

If you want to pick stocks rather based on something other than an
index, you need to be lucky, or have information few others have.

To bring it back into networking, look up some of the HFT folks (Anton 
Kapella here?).  Geting a few millisecond advantage of information can 
sometimes *BE* that "information few others have" and thus can
make/break transactions.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Stocks

[Lewis Bergman]

Indexes do well. You get the benefit of a pretty well managed fund but
without the high costs. All those indexes add and remove stocks regularly
which keeps their performance generrally marching upward.

On Tue, Jan 29, 2019 at 7:02 AM Forrest Christian (List Account) <
li...@packetflux.com> wrote:

> Warren buffet won a million dollar bet based on very similar advice.
>
> Over the long term, funds which track a market index tend to do better
> than pretty much any other type of fund. The specific index which won
> Warren buffet his bet was the S 500, and there are several funds which
> track this.   I'm personally most interested in VOO, but I'm a fan of
> Vanguard in general.
>
> I do have some shares in companies I believe in,  but they're more long
> term investments,  and I really don't have much tied up in any one company.
>
> On Mon, Jan 28, 2019, 10:30 PM John Osmon 
>> On Mon, Jan 28, 2019 at 01:24:04PM -0600, Jason McKemie wrote:
>> > Anyone have suggestions on stocks to look at?  I'm considering Tesla
>> > because it is down right now, that could go either way on earnings
>> report
>> > tomorrow though.
>>
>> Dollar cost average into an ETF, and forget about it.
>>
>> Any other strategy is unlikely to beat that in the long run.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Stocks

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

Warren buffet won a million dollar bet based on very similar advice.

Over the long term, funds which track a market index tend to do better than
pretty much any other type of fund. The specific index which won Warren
buffet his bet was the S 500, and there are several funds which track
this.   I'm personally most interested in VOO, but I'm a fan of Vanguard in
general.

I do have some shares in companies I believe in,  but they're more long
term investments,  and I really don't have much tied up in any one company.

On Mon, Jan 28, 2019, 10:30 PM John Osmon  On Mon, Jan 28, 2019 at 01:24:04PM -0600, Jason McKemie wrote:
> > Anyone have suggestions on stocks to look at?  I'm considering Tesla
> > because it is down right now, that could go either way on earnings report
> > tomorrow though.
>
> Dollar cost average into an ETF, and forget about it.
>
> Any other strategy is unlikely to beat that in the long run.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Stocks

[John Osmon]

On Mon, Jan 28, 2019 at 01:24:04PM -0600, Jason McKemie wrote:
> Anyone have suggestions on stocks to look at?  I'm considering Tesla
> because it is down right now, that could go either way on earnings report
> tomorrow though.

Dollar cost average into an ETF, and forget about it.

Any other strategy is unlikely to beat that in the long run.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Stocks

[Chuck McCown]

It seems to track most index funds pretty well.  Has made me good money over 
the years.  

From: Jason McKemie 
Sent: Monday, January 28, 2019 5:00 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Stocks

Thanks. 

Yeah, I was thinking the same about Tesla, although it did just drop about 50 
points the past couple weeks.

It looks like FXAIX is the new symbol for FUSVX, what is it about that fund 
that you like? 

On Monday, January 28, 2019,  wrote:

  Tesla would have to drop below $250 for me to be interested.  
  My favorite fund is nicely priced.  FUSVX at $95.27

  From: Jason McKemie 
  Sent: Monday, January 28, 2019 12:24 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Stocks

  Anyone have suggestions on stocks to look at?  I'm considering Tesla because 
it is down right now, that could go either way on earnings report tomorrow 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Stocks

[chuck]

It took a big hit this fall, that is why it is looking good.  I pulled out of 
it last summer when it was up in the $105 area.  

From: Sam Lambie 
Sent: Monday, January 28, 2019 12:59 PM
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Do I read correctly that the FUSVX fund has a 2.98% return?

On Mon, Jan 28, 2019 at 12:38 PM  wrote:

  Tesla would have to drop below $250 for me to be interested.  
  My favorite fund is nicely priced.  FUSVX at $95.27

  From: Jason McKemie 
  Sent: Monday, January 28, 2019 12:24 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Stocks

  Anyone have suggestions on stocks to look at?  I'm considering Tesla because 
it is down right now, that could go either way on earnings report tomorrow 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Stocks

[Sam Lambie]

Do I read correctly that the FUSVX fund has a 2.98% return?

On Mon, Jan 28, 2019 at 12:38 PM  wrote:

> Tesla would have to drop below $250 for me to be interested.
> My favorite fund is nicely priced.  FUSVX at $95.27
>
> *From:* Jason McKemie
> *Sent:* Monday, January 28, 2019 12:24 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT: Stocks
>
> Anyone have suggestions on stocks to look at?  I'm considering Tesla
> because it is down right now, that could go either way on earnings report
> tomorrow though.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Stocks

[chuck]

Tesla would have to drop below $250 for me to be interested.  
My favorite fund is nicely priced.  FUSVX at $95.27

From: Jason McKemie 
Sent: Monday, January 28, 2019 12:24 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Stocks

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