Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Newbie Question
Exactly. Don't toss them, send them back at our expense. I'd have to look at the raw box cost. And unfortunately I'm nowhere near the computer with that info on it. On Sep 27, 2014 12:35 AM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com wrote: does that mean i shouldnt have robbed the housing from the syncbox that got fried a few weeks ago by lightning and sent it to you for free loot? BTW, that housing is ideal for putting splitters inside of, how much for just the box with no sync? On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 12:02 AM, Jeremy Grip via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I should add that all of the APs, as well as the “mobile unit” need to be in the same “network”. Jeremy *From:* Af [mailto:af-bounces+grip=nbnworks@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett via Af *Sent:* Friday, September 26, 2014 2:22 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Newbie Question It doesn't. He either ran it multiple times on the same map and selected different AP's each time, or he imported the different maps into some other software to make the composite image. Sorry, I asked a very vague question. I know how to create a Cartesian coverage map. What setting does a different color per AP? Matthew Jenkins SmarterBroadband m...@sbbinc.net 530.272.4000 On 09/26/2014 11:07 AM, Chuck McCown via Af wrote: Click the “Cartesian Radio Coverage” button. You may have to make it visible in Options. *From:* Matt Jenkins via Af af@afmug.com *Sent:* Friday, September 26, 2014 11:47 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Newbie Question Jeremy, You said you create these maps with a cartesian in RM. What setting does this? Matthew Jenkins SmarterBroadband m...@sbbinc.net 530.272.4000 On 09/25/2014 07:07 PM, Jeremy Grip via Af wrote: Okay, I’ll try just embedding the image: *From:* Af [mailto:af-bounces+grip=nbnworks@afmug.com af-bounces+grip=nbnworks@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jeremy Grip via Af *Sent:* Thursday, September 25, 2014 10:02 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Newbie Question Sriram, that brings up my next question. The channel planning model for reuse is great for Idealtown, located on a flat plain where one can permit and build POPs on a tidy rectilinear grid. (This may be just west of Rolling Meadows). I wonder about the utility of channel reuse in say, Realtown, where the topology is quite bumpy, forestation is patchy, and the operator takes what he can get in the way of locations for POPs. This is pretty much my situation, and probably plenty of other folks’ too. I’m trying to think of a broad rule set for channel planning in those conditions. For instance, I’m planning to expand into an area with existing structures (silos). In the attached image I’ve modeled coverage in Radio Mobile with an RSSI of –66dBm or better at the SM, assuming an ePMP AP/90°sector at power limit for max modulation and Force (25dBi) SMs (antenna pattern is just an omni for planning purposes). Max cell radius is 6km. This is over actual topology, of course, and using a publicly available ground cover (clutter) database, so it should be a pretty good prediction of which POP gets best signal to a given location. Each POP has its own color, with some reuse where it wouldn’t be confusing. (This is RM’s “combined cartesian” coverage, so there are plenty of locations where more than one POP can provide better than -66, but the POP with the strongest SS gets to put its color on the pixel.) Some of the POPs won’t want a full 4-sector deployment, but many, probably most, will. Am I better off, generally speaking, with the recommended 4-channel model, with two of the four channels on each POP (and the other two channels on the adjacent POP) than I am with the two channel model? And if so, would I just maintain the same azimuths for all of the POPs—e.g. channel A always at 0° and 180° and C at 90° and 270 ° on POPs 1,3, 5…, then channel B always at 0° and 180° and D at 90° and 270 ° on POPs 2,4,6…? Then maybe we could just leave out unnecessary AP quadrants on POPs where they weren’t going to do any good. Is there any reason to try the ABAB reuse model if four channels are available? Does the necessity of setting Frequency Reuse “Front” and “Back” go away in the ABCD model—and can anyone explain just what that’s doing? Whew. Oh, yeah—can you just software switch between the GPS timing signal on the (internal patch or) local GPS port and the signal on the Cat5/6 from a CMM, if you want that kind of redundancy? *From:* Af [mailto:af-bounces+grip=nbnworks@afmug.com af-bounces+grip=nbnworks@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Sriram Chaturvedi via Af *Sent:* Thursday, September 25, 2014 5:45 PM *To:* That One Guy via Af *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Newbie Question Hi, Yes, the GPS chip comes with an internal patch antenna. The internal patch antenna is automatically disabled
Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Newbie Question
Adam-- You were at Albany, too? I was too, but I didn't register that comment; it just seemed from the official documentation that there had to be something special going on with that setting: https://support.cambiumnetworks.com/file/e13730816e90878b11b3da92892de5ed74ffd88a Feel free to hit me off-list. Jeremy Grip g...@nbnworks.net -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+grip=nbnworks@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett via Af Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 10:21 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Newbie Question That's different from what I was told in Albany. The front/back setting does something? Regarding the “Front Sector” and “Back Sector” settings recommended in the doc (and User Guide), you will have to follow that. That is part of the magic sauce in ePMP that make GPS sync work on this platform.
Re: [AFMUG] OT Friday Fun
One more than yours truly. :- ( From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+grip=nbnworks@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via Af Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 12:38 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Friday Fun Yes? Made my lips bleed in empathy. I only hit a double high C scale one time in my life. From: Jeremy Grip via Af mailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 5:50 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Friday Fun Still hittin’ double-high C’s?? ( Sorry--old trumpet player here). Jeremy Grip From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+grip=nbnworks@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza via Af Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 7:21 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Friday Fun Yep. Hope you hear him play McArthurs Park.He is close to 90 by now Jaime Solorza On Sep 26, 2014 4:14 PM, Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Probably. Wasn't he the band master for Johny Carson? bp On 9/26/2014 2:48 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote: He has to be near 90. He still plays the trumpet? Or is he a bandleader? From: Jaime Solorza via Af mailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 4:32 PM To: Animal Farm mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Friday Fun Damn. Thats awesome.Heard he joined Ides of March on Vehicle last year If u can take some pics. Jaime Solorza On Sep 26, 2014 12:09 PM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Going to see Doc Severinsen play tonight. Anybody gonna top that!
Re: [AFMUG] Physically Hooking up Voip Lines
I install every VoIP customer for no additional charge. I know the port date before it happens so I always schedule the install for that day, and let them know when we begin the process that they may be without for a few hours on the day that the porting completes. Most VoIP installs are simple, like two minutes. Occasionally we run into the nightmare installs. I ask them and if they just use one expandable cordless set I don't touch the wiring. Otherwise we do the whole home install. I'd say the majority are whole home installs. We try to make sure that we bring the wire into the hub whenever possible, or near a phone jack. That way if they decide that they want VoIP down the road it is an easy install. I always consider the potential VoIP install when doing the wireless install. On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 10:44 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I will only rely on the customer to install the ATA if they are going to plug a cordless base into it, no house wiring. Otherwise, they will forget to disconnect the POTS line at the NID. Most people have a cordless phone system, but they may also have an old princess phone somewhere in the house, first try to convince them to ditch the corded phones and not use the house wiring. Failing that, have your installer tell them the router and ATA have to go near a phone jack. If they insist on putting the ATA in a room with no phone jack and still using the house wiring to reach corded phones, the professional way is probably to install a surface mount jack and wire it like a phone guy would, and charge them labor materials. If they have an old 900/2.4/5.8 cordless phone, you probably want them to replace it with a new DECT system anyway, you can get systems with a whole bunch of cordless handsets for not much money. Perhaps people can be convinced by comparing to WiFi. It used to be people would run Ethernet to every room to plug in their computers, no one does this anymore, they want all their devices to be portable and use WiFi. Same with phones, if you pick up the phone, you want to be able to move to another room or even outside and take the phone with you. If they really cannot go cordless or have the Internet installed to a room with a phone jack, then charge them for installing a phone jack. It does mean a few more parts an installer needs to carry. If you don't want to carry RJ11 keystone jacks and surface mount boxes, there are cheap boxes with screw terminals or I like the ones with 110 punchdown terminals. And you definitely need red and yellow Scotchloks, those are what kill me, no matter how many I buy, I can't find where I put them, so I end up buying more. I must have thousands of Scothloks squirreled away by now, I think they go to the land of missing socks. -Original Message- From: Nate Burke via Af Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 11:28 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Physically Hooking up Voip Lines I'm interested in how people are doing physical Residential VoIP Installs. Do you just provide the ATA and let the customer figure it out, or do you physically hook it into the house wiring for them? We're doing more and more, and it seems like it takes almost as much time to do the Wireless install as it does to install the ATA. By the time you track down the house wires, disconnect them from the PSTN, run a wire from the ATA to where you can tie into the house wiring (not always close by), and then wire the ATA in. The one's we're converting all seem to have several corded phones they still want to use. Also, how do you cover the crossover time between installation and Number port. Business customer are one thing, I have them setup the call forwarding feature at the ILEC, and forward calls to a temporary DID until the port happens. But trying to get an older person to call the ILEC and understand what they need to ask for (and not get sucked into a new contract) is much more difficult. I'm not sure how Vonage does it, do they walk people through tracing down cables over the phone? Or once the number port happens, they presume the ILEC port is dead, so then they just have the customer plug it in to any wall jack? Nate
Re: [AFMUG] Bash specially-crafted environment variables code injection attack
Guessing... wget http://public-yum.oracle.com/repo/EnterpriseLinux/EL4/latest/i386/getPackage/bash-3.0-27.0.3.el4.i386.rpm rpmbuild --rebuild bash-3.0-27.0.3.el4.src.rpm rpm -qa |grep bash rpm -Uvh /usr/src/redhat/RPMS/i386/bash-3.0-27.0.3.i386.rpm rpm -qa |grep bash On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 11:26 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Unfortunately I have a couple old servers running RHEL4 and one old BlueQuartz webhosting appliance based on CentOS4. I’m a little reluctant to try compiling the patch myself unless I switch to a difference shell first, if I screw up my command shell it might be difficult to fix. Any guess if I’d be safe using the RPM cited in this thread: http://serverfault.com/questions/631055/how-do-i-patch-rhel-4-for-the-bash-vulnerabilities-in-cve-2014-6271-and-cve-2014 the RPM it points to is: http://public-yum.oracle.com/repo/EnterpriseLinux/EL4/latest/i386/getPackage/bash-3.0-27.0.2.el4.i386.rpm From: Ty Featherling via Af Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 10:52 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bash specially-crafted environment variables code injection attack Yeah probably the NSA! Hahaha! -Ty On Sep 26, 2014 10:36 PM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Man I bet theres some guy whose been exploiting this for 20 years who is pissed right now On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 1:54 PM, Ty Featherling via Af af@afmug.com wrote: CentOS on some, Ubuntu on others. Already got the answers in this thread though, thanks. -Ty On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 11:54 AM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Which distribution? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Ty Featherling via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 2:42:31 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bash specially-crafted environment variables code injection attack Noob question but how can I easiest update my linux boxes to get the latest patches? -Ty On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 1:59 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Upgraded our systems at 6am yesterday for this. Also pulled the bash .deb out of debian-stable/security for our ubiquiti edgerouters. (I made on a post on the UBNT forum with the CVE info yesterday.) Side note: TONS of things are affected by this... Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com On 09/25/2014 10:25 AM, Peter Kranz via Af wrote: PS.. This vulnerability can be exploited via HTTP/Apache attack vectors, so you need to patch any vulnerable system running Apache. Peter Kranz Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd www.UnwiredLtd.com Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 Mobile: 510-207- pkr...@unwiredltd.com -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+pkranz=unwiredltd@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt via Af Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 10:27 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Bash specially-crafted environment variables code injection attack Bash specially-crafted environment variables code injection attack https://securityblog.redhat.com/2014/09/24/bash-specially-crafted-environment-variables-code-injection-attack/ -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] Bash specially-crafted environment variables code injection attack
So maybe I won’t do that. The newer servers where I could just do a yum update have been straightforward, as you’d expect. I think the articles have maybe overstated the risk a bit, since you would need to either authenticate (at least as a regular user) to get to a shell, or find a publicly exposed script that will pass an environment variable to bash for you. From: Jeremy via Af Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 12:13 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bash specially-crafted environment variables code injection attack Our webserver was vulnerable. Tried to fix it without backing it up firstyeah, I know. Lost it all. So I guess I will be building a new website from my 2013 backup this weekend. It's a good thing I carpet bombed my website to prevent anyone from messing with it! On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 10:25 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Unfortunately I have a couple old servers running RHEL4 and one old BlueQuartz webhosting appliance based on CentOS4. I’m a little reluctant to try compiling the patch myself unless I switch to a difference shell first, if I screw up my command shell it might be difficult to fix. Any guess if I’d be safe using the RPM cited in this thread: http://serverfault.com/questions/631055/how-do-i-patch-rhel-4-for-the-bash-vulnerabilities-in-cve-2014-6271-and-cve-2014 the RPM it points to is: http://public-yum.oracle.com/repo/EnterpriseLinux/EL4/latest/i386/getPackage/bash-3.0-27.0.2.el4.i386.rpm From: Ty Featherling via Af Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 10:52 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bash specially-crafted environment variables code injection attack Yeah probably the NSA! Hahaha! -Ty On Sep 26, 2014 10:36 PM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Man I bet theres some guy whose been exploiting this for 20 years who is pissed right now On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 1:54 PM, Ty Featherling via Af af@afmug.com wrote: CentOS on some, Ubuntu on others. Already got the answers in this thread though, thanks. -Ty On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 11:54 AM, Mike Hammett via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Which distribution? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Ty Featherling via Af af@afmug.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 2:42:31 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Bash specially-crafted environment variables code injection attack Noob question but how can I easiest update my linux boxes to get the latest patches? -Ty On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 1:59 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Upgraded our systems at 6am yesterday for this. Also pulled the bash .deb out of debian-stable/security for our ubiquiti edgerouters. (I made on a post on the UBNT forum with the CVE info yesterday.) Side note: TONS of things are affected by this... Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com On 09/25/2014 10:25 AM, Peter Kranz via Af wrote: PS.. This vulnerability can be exploited via HTTP/Apache attack vectors, so you need to patch any vulnerable system running Apache. Peter Kranz Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd www.UnwiredLtd.com Desk: 510-868-1614 x100 Mobile: 510-207- pkr...@unwiredltd.com -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+pkranz=unwiredltd@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt via Af Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 10:27 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Bash specially-crafted environment variables code injection attack Bash specially-crafted environment variables code injection attack https://securityblog.redhat.com/2014/09/24/bash-specially-crafted-environment-variables-code-injection-attack/ -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
[AFMUG] Power up the tower?
Planning on hanging a DC box on the tower 30-40w total power Cat5 using multiple pairs or 2 conductor cable? We are inclined on cat 5 for standardization purposes... Sent from Marconi's and Graham Bell's fused thoughts!!!
Re: [AFMUG] OT Friday Fun
It was a fluke. Warming up for a concert. It just happened. The other guys warming up gave me a look I will remember the rest of my life. I could never repeat it. I could consistently play a high C scale and a few notes beyond, but never up to the double high C. From: Jeremy Grip via Af Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 10:50 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Friday Fun One more than yours truly. :- ( From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+grip=nbnworks@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via Af Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 12:38 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Friday Fun Yes? Made my lips bleed in empathy. I only hit a double high C scale one time in my life. From: Jeremy Grip via Af Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 5:50 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Friday Fun Still hittin’ double-high C’s?? ( Sorry--old trumpet player here). Jeremy Grip From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+grip=nbnworks@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza via Af Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 7:21 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Friday Fun Yep. Hope you hear him play McArthurs Park.He is close to 90 by now Jaime Solorza On Sep 26, 2014 4:14 PM, Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Probably. Wasn't he the band master for Johny Carson? bpOn 9/26/2014 2:48 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote: He has to be near 90. He still plays the trumpet? Or is he a bandleader? From: Jaime Solorza via Af Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 4:32 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Friday Fun Damn. Thats awesome.Heard he joined Ides of March on Vehicle last year If u can take some pics. Jaime Solorza On Sep 26, 2014 12:09 PM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Going to see Doc Severinsen play tonight. Anybody gonna top that!
Re: [AFMUG] Power up the tower?
Maybe just some LMR400? Would give you shielding, and probably handle up to 150-200 watts. bp On 9/27/2014 11:16 AM, Gino Villarini via Af wrote: Planning on hanging a DC box on the tower 30-40w total power Cat5 using multiple pairs or 2 conductor cable? We are inclined on cat 5 for standardization purposes... Sent from Marconi's and Graham Bell's fused thoughts!!!
[AFMUG] Props to powercode
The passport is actually somewhat interesting, and I'd consider it if it ran Android. It got a decent preliminary review on Engadget as well. On Friday, September 26, 2014, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); wrote: What about a Passport? https://www.yahoo.com/tech/the-touchscreen-smartphone-has-become-one-of-the-98286819979.html -Original Message- From: Matt Jenkins via Af Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 6:45 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Props to powercode Don't you mean phablet? Matthew Jenkins SmarterBroadband m...@sbbinc.net 530.272.4000 On 09/26/2014 04:34 PM, timothy steele via Af wrote: 6plus not a phone that's a tablet — Sent from Mailbox https://www.dropbox.com/mailbox On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 8:47 AM, Kurt Fankhauser via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: the old version looks great on an iphone 6+ Sent from my iPhone Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 On Sep 25, 2014, at 5:09 PM, timothy steele via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: The new version have a smart phone friendly web site or app for installer schedules? — Sent from Mailbox https://www.dropbox.com/mailbox On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 3:32 PM, Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: You change your meds or something Steve? First the props to the PTP650, now this. Makes me think that someone has you tied up in a closet or something, and is posting in your place bp On 9/25/2014 10:44 AM, That One Guy via Af wrote: I never have much good to say about anything, but this is a credit where credit is due thing. They have done alot of work on this new version they have out. We are in the process of demoing it and just did a live import of data from our old version The features in this are slick, the interface doesnt look like something from 1982 anymore It seems responsive and intuitive The big thing today was the 477 export. I personally did not want to have to learn any of the back end stuff on prepping the 477 to file for something that doesnt benefit us and is only done twice a year. I allocated until the filing deadline all my time to focusing on actually reading the FCC crap, collecting the data, formatting it, etc. Powercode just released their functional tool, so i set aside two of those days to get a build live and import our data, I had a couple issues, but it was mainly my dumb ass causing them. Got the live data running, ran the tool and uploaded our stuff. The whole process took around ten minutes, and I still dont even know or care exactly what the FCC is getting, all I know is its done, assuming its correct, and I didnt have to stab anybody. If you are looking for a platform that does your goodness for you (this issue comes up about once a month) Powercode has become a top notch product. Managing your guys time is one of the features just implemented, it needs a little fine tuning, but you can have utter morons handling your scheduling and the system makes sure things dont get too out of hand handling your business with helpdesk ticketing just became a real option with this build too, centralized, tied to your actual customers... nice The billing features have been good for a long time, not alot of changes to that, but for the most part there didnt need to be. Monitoring your network has gotten great, trend base probing and alerting. This does alot of what a fully functional stand alone NMS does. And they added a cloud for the userbase to share probes, no more asking guys how to do this and thet, then getting a vague answer you have to figure out how to implement - genius Buy powercode today while supplies last!! This message brought to you by adderal and vicodin -- All parts should go together without forcing. You must remember that the parts you are reassembling were disassembled by you. Therefore, if you can't get them together again, there must be a reason. By all means, do not use a hammer. -- IBM maintenance manual, 1925
Re: [AFMUG] Props to powercode
It “emulates” Android. From: Jason McKemie via Af Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 2:38 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Props to powercode The passport is actually somewhat interesting, and I'd consider it if it ran Android. It got a decent preliminary review on Engadget as well. On Friday, September 26, 2014, Ken Hohhof via Af javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); wrote: What about a Passport? https://www.yahoo.com/tech/the-touchscreen-smartphone-has-become-one-of-the-98286819979.html -Original Message- From: Matt Jenkins via Af Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 6:45 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Props to powercode Don't you mean phablet? Matthew Jenkins SmarterBroadband m...@sbbinc.net 530.272.4000 On 09/26/2014 04:34 PM, timothy steele via Af wrote: 6plus not a phone that's a tablet — Sent from Mailbox https://www.dropbox.com/mailbox On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 8:47 AM, Kurt Fankhauser via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: the old version looks great on an iphone 6+ Sent from my iPhone Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 On Sep 25, 2014, at 5:09 PM, timothy steele via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: The new version have a smart phone friendly web site or app for installer schedules? — Sent from Mailbox https://www.dropbox.com/mailbox On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 3:32 PM, Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: You change your meds or something Steve? First the props to the PTP650, now this. Makes me think that someone has you tied up in a closet or something, and is posting in your place bp On 9/25/2014 10:44 AM, That One Guy via Af wrote: I never have much good to say about anything, but this is a credit where credit is due thing. They have done alot of work on this new version they have out. We are in the process of demoing it and just did a live import of data from our old version The features in this are slick, the interface doesnt look like something from 1982 anymore It seems responsive and intuitive The big thing today was the 477 export. I personally did not want to have to learn any of the back end stuff on prepping the 477 to file for something that doesnt benefit us and is only done twice a year. I allocated until the filing deadline all my time to focusing on actually reading the FCC crap, collecting the data, formatting it, etc. Powercode just released their functional tool, so i set aside two of those days to get a build live and import our data, I had a couple issues, but it was mainly my dumb ass causing them. Got the live data running, ran the tool and uploaded our stuff. The whole process took around ten minutes, and I still dont even know or care exactly what the FCC is getting, all I know is its done, assuming its correct, and I didnt have to stab anybody. If you are looking for a platform that does your goodness for you (this issue comes up about once a month) Powercode has become a top notch product. Managing your guys time is one of the features just implemented, it needs a little fine tuning, but you can have utter morons handling your scheduling and the system makes sure things dont get too out of hand handling your business with helpdesk ticketing just became a real option with this build too, centralized, tied to your actual customers... nice The billing features have been good for a long time, not alot of changes to that, but for the most part there didnt need to be. Monitoring your network has gotten great, trend base probing and alerting. This does alot of what a fully functional stand alone NMS does. And they added a cloud for the userbase to share probes, no more asking guys how to do this and thet, then getting a vague answer you have to figure out how to implement - genius Buy powercode today while supplies last!! This message brought to you by adderal and vicodin --
[AFMUG] Cogent
What is going rate for gig of Cogent at the datacenter?
Re: [AFMUG] Cogent
Last we checked $700 on one year contract and free NRC On Saturday, September 27, 2014, Matt via Af af@afmug.com wrote: What is going rate for gig of Cogent at the datacenter? -- Darin Steffl Minnesota WiFi www.mnwifi.com 507-634-WiFi http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi Like us on Facebook http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi
Re: [AFMUG] Physically hardened routers for tower installation
We have a few 4xx series and some 1200s out there that do loose ports every once and a while randomly (why we've been switching to 1100s). Most of the 1100s are after a storm, or at least that seems to be the timing, whether or not that's the culprit is up to interpretation. Nicholas Eastman Royell Communications, Inc. (217) 965-3699 1-877-400-9319 nic.east...@royell.org On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 11:34 AM, Nate Burke via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Do they always fail after storms, or are you just seeing ports randomly fail? I used to have ports fail after storms with the 4xx series, but with 700's, 1100's, 2011's, and CRS, haven't seen any issues. Unless the site took a direct or near hit, then all bets are off. Nate On 9/27/2014 11:29 AM, Nicholas Eastman via Af wrote: We have been using Mikrotiks (RB110AHx2) for tower sites that we have put in place over the past couple years. With that being said, we have started to notice more and more ports failing even with surge suppression in place. I know that certain issues are unavoidable, but it has brought up the age old Is there something better? question. So, I pose it to the mailing list. What is everyone using in terms of tower routers? Does anyone know of a product (mikrotik based or other) that would possibly be a little more resilient within a close price range to the Tiks? Nicholas Eastman Royell Communications, Inc. (217) 965-3699 1-877-400-9319 nic.east...@royell.org
Re: [AFMUG] Cogent
$700-1k Sent from my iPhone On Sep 27, 2014, at 3:56 PM, Darin Steffl via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Last we checked $700 on one year contract and free NRC On Saturday, September 27, 2014, Matt via Af af@afmug.com wrote: What is going rate for gig of Cogent at the datacenter? -- Darin Steffl Minnesota WiFi www.mnwifi.com 507-634-WiFi Like us on Facebook
Re: [AFMUG] Power up the tower?
This is what we have used for all our CMM units for years. http://www.outdoorspeakerdepot.com/14ga2inspca5.html Outdoor, UV resistant, etc. On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 1:16 PM, Gino Villarini via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Planning on hanging a DC box on the tower 30-40w total power Cat5 using multiple pairs or 2 conductor cable? We are inclined on cat 5 for standardization purposes... Sent from Marconi's and Graham Bell's fused thoughts!!!
Re: [AFMUG] Physically Hooking up Voip Lines
We are moving toward strongly suggesting customers not use the house wiring. Seen way too many issues with poor house wiring causing problems or with damaged ATAs after lightning strikes. Our experience, many houses have hacked up phone wiring that somehow works OK for landline service but the ATAs don't tolerate it. Makes for a difficult conversation explaining to customer who wired up their house with radioshack phone cords and splitters, laying on ground in the wet crawlspace, why their new VOIP service isn't reliable. On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 1:10 PM, Jeremy via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I install every VoIP customer for no additional charge. I know the port date before it happens so I always schedule the install for that day, and let them know when we begin the process that they may be without for a few hours on the day that the porting completes. Most VoIP installs are simple, like two minutes. Occasionally we run into the nightmare installs. I ask them and if they just use one expandable cordless set I don't touch the wiring. Otherwise we do the whole home install. I'd say the majority are whole home installs. We try to make sure that we bring the wire into the hub whenever possible, or near a phone jack. That way if they decide that they want VoIP down the road it is an easy install. I always consider the potential VoIP install when doing the wireless install. On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 10:44 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I will only rely on the customer to install the ATA if they are going to plug a cordless base into it, no house wiring. Otherwise, they will forget to disconnect the POTS line at the NID. Most people have a cordless phone system, but they may also have an old princess phone somewhere in the house, first try to convince them to ditch the corded phones and not use the house wiring. Failing that, have your installer tell them the router and ATA have to go near a phone jack. If they insist on putting the ATA in a room with no phone jack and still using the house wiring to reach corded phones, the professional way is probably to install a surface mount jack and wire it like a phone guy would, and charge them labor materials. If they have an old 900/2.4/5.8 cordless phone, you probably want them to replace it with a new DECT system anyway, you can get systems with a whole bunch of cordless handsets for not much money. Perhaps people can be convinced by comparing to WiFi. It used to be people would run Ethernet to every room to plug in their computers, no one does this anymore, they want all their devices to be portable and use WiFi. Same with phones, if you pick up the phone, you want to be able to move to another room or even outside and take the phone with you. If they really cannot go cordless or have the Internet installed to a room with a phone jack, then charge them for installing a phone jack. It does mean a few more parts an installer needs to carry. If you don't want to carry RJ11 keystone jacks and surface mount boxes, there are cheap boxes with screw terminals or I like the ones with 110 punchdown terminals. And you definitely need red and yellow Scotchloks, those are what kill me, no matter how many I buy, I can't find where I put them, so I end up buying more. I must have thousands of Scothloks squirreled away by now, I think they go to the land of missing socks. -Original Message- From: Nate Burke via Af Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 11:28 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Physically Hooking up Voip Lines I'm interested in how people are doing physical Residential VoIP Installs. Do you just provide the ATA and let the customer figure it out, or do you physically hook it into the house wiring for them? We're doing more and more, and it seems like it takes almost as much time to do the Wireless install as it does to install the ATA. By the time you track down the house wires, disconnect them from the PSTN, run a wire from the ATA to where you can tie into the house wiring (not always close by), and then wire the ATA in. The one's we're converting all seem to have several corded phones they still want to use. Also, how do you cover the crossover time between installation and Number port. Business customer are one thing, I have them setup the call forwarding feature at the ILEC, and forward calls to a temporary DID until the port happens. But trying to get an older person to call the ILEC and understand what they need to ask for (and not get sucked into a new contract) is much more difficult. I'm not sure how Vonage does it, do they walk people through tracing down cables over the phone? Or once the number port happens, they presume the ILEC port is dead, so then they just have the customer plug it in to any wall jack? Nate
Re: [AFMUG] Cogent
Should be able to get it around $700-750 On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 2:25 PM, Tyson Burris @ Internet Comm. Inc via Af af@afmug.com wrote: $700-1k Sent from my iPhone On Sep 27, 2014, at 3:56 PM, Darin Steffl via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Last we checked $700 on one year contract and free NRC On Saturday, September 27, 2014, Matt via Af af@afmug.com wrote: What is going rate for gig of Cogent at the datacenter? -- Darin Steffl Minnesota WiFi www.mnwifi.com 507-634-WiFi http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi Like us on Facebook http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi
Re: [AFMUG] OT Friday Fun
Double C’s are part of my daily warm-up Chuck. But, there are some guys that are just amazing… Doc being on my short list of trumpet players in that list… Maynard Ferguson and Harry James are the other biggies. Glad that you got to hear Doc ! From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+paulm=pdmnet@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via Af Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 12:38 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Friday Fun Yes? Made my lips bleed in empathy. I only hit a double high C scale one time in my life. From: Jeremy Grip via Afmailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 5:50 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Friday Fun Still hittin’ double-high C’s?? ( Sorry--old trumpet player here). Jeremy Grip From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+grip=nbnworks@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza via Af Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 7:21 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Friday Fun Yep. Hope you hear him play McArthurs Park.He is close to 90 by now Jaime Solorza On Sep 26, 2014 4:14 PM, Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Probably. Wasn't he the band master for Johny Carson? bp On 9/26/2014 2:48 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote: He has to be near 90. He still plays the trumpet? Or is he a bandleader? From: Jaime Solorza via Afmailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 4:32 PM To: Animal Farmmailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Friday Fun Damn. Thats awesome.Heard he joined Ides of March on Vehicle last year If u can take some pics. Jaime Solorza On Sep 26, 2014 12:09 PM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Going to see Doc Severinsen play tonight. Anybody gonna top that!
Re: [AFMUG] Physically Hooking up Voip Lines
I forgot to address the due date issue. Like Jeremy, I try to schedule the install on the porting due date. We don’t get an exact time, but ports usually take effect around 8-9 am, rarely will it not be complete if you schedule a late morning or an afternoon install. Also note that many residential people use their landlines mostly to call out, other people call them on their cellphones because they don’t know if they will be home or not. Couple that with the fact that you can call out on the VoIP line and have the caller ID show the right number even before it ports, it’s the incoming calls that won’t get routed to the VoIP line until the number ports. So if you can’t schedule the install the same day, many people will be OK if you install it the day before. If they are going to use exclusively a cordless phone, most people can handle unplugging it from the wall and plugging it into the ATA on the morning of the porting due date. From: Chris Fabien via Af Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 3:44 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Physically Hooking up Voip Lines We are moving toward strongly suggesting customers not use the house wiring. Seen way too many issues with poor house wiring causing problems or with damaged ATAs after lightning strikes. Our experience, many houses have hacked up phone wiring that somehow works OK for landline service but the ATAs don't tolerate it. Makes for a difficult conversation explaining to customer who wired up their house with radioshack phone cords and splitters, laying on ground in the wet crawlspace, why their new VOIP service isn't reliable. On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 1:10 PM, Jeremy via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I install every VoIP customer for no additional charge. I know the port date before it happens so I always schedule the install for that day, and let them know when we begin the process that they may be without for a few hours on the day that the porting completes. Most VoIP installs are simple, like two minutes. Occasionally we run into the nightmare installs. I ask them and if they just use one expandable cordless set I don't touch the wiring. Otherwise we do the whole home install. I'd say the majority are whole home installs. We try to make sure that we bring the wire into the hub whenever possible, or near a phone jack. That way if they decide that they want VoIP down the road it is an easy install. I always consider the potential VoIP install when doing the wireless install. On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 10:44 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I will only rely on the customer to install the ATA if they are going to plug a cordless base into it, no house wiring. Otherwise, they will forget to disconnect the POTS line at the NID. Most people have a cordless phone system, but they may also have an old princess phone somewhere in the house, first try to convince them to ditch the corded phones and not use the house wiring. Failing that, have your installer tell them the router and ATA have to go near a phone jack. If they insist on putting the ATA in a room with no phone jack and still using the house wiring to reach corded phones, the professional way is probably to install a surface mount jack and wire it like a phone guy would, and charge them labor materials. If they have an old 900/2.4/5.8 cordless phone, you probably want them to replace it with a new DECT system anyway, you can get systems with a whole bunch of cordless handsets for not much money. Perhaps people can be convinced by comparing to WiFi. It used to be people would run Ethernet to every room to plug in their computers, no one does this anymore, they want all their devices to be portable and use WiFi. Same with phones, if you pick up the phone, you want to be able to move to another room or even outside and take the phone with you. If they really cannot go cordless or have the Internet installed to a room with a phone jack, then charge them for installing a phone jack. It does mean a few more parts an installer needs to carry. If you don't want to carry RJ11 keystone jacks and surface mount boxes, there are cheap boxes with screw terminals or I like the ones with 110 punchdown terminals. And you definitely need red and yellow Scotchloks, those are what kill me, no matter how many I buy, I can't find where I put them, so I end up buying more. I must have thousands of Scothloks squirreled away by now, I think they go to the land of missing socks. -Original Message- From: Nate Burke via Af Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 11:28 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Physically Hooking up Voip Lines I'm interested in how people are doing physical Residential VoIP Installs. Do you just provide the ATA and let the customer figure it out, or do you physically hook it into the house wiring for them? We're doing more and more, and
Re: [AFMUG] Props to powercode
...yeah that's what Citrix tells us about Xenmobile. ___ Mangled by my iPhone. ___ Tyler Treat Corn Belt Technologies, Inc. tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.commailto:tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com ___ On Sep 27, 2014, at 4:27 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: It probably meshes with the “secure containerization” of work, personal, and apps that enterprise IT people probably like. Work content is separated from personal content, and apps are run in a secure container. Or so they say. http://us.blackberry.com/business/enterprise-mobility/work-personal.html From: Bill Prince via Afmailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 2:57 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Props to powercode Yah. Wonder what that's like Gets around the apps issue pretty handily. Why bother building a new API, just use a pretty good one that a lot of other phones are using. Something like that might have saved the Palm Pre. bp On 9/27/2014 12:44 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote: It “emulates” Android. From: Jason McKemie via Afmailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 2:38 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Props to powercode The passport is actually somewhat interesting, and I'd consider it if it ran Android. It got a decent preliminary review on Engadget as well. On Friday, September 26, 2014, Ken Hohhof via Af javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); wrote: What about a Passport? https://www.yahoo.com/tech/the-touchscreen-smartphone-has-become-one-of-the-98286819979.html -Original Message- From: Matt Jenkins via Af Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 6:45 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Props to powercode Don't you mean phablet? Matthew Jenkins SmarterBroadband m...@sbbinc.net 530.272.4000 On 09/26/2014 04:34 PM, timothy steele via Af wrote: 6plus not a phone that's a tablet — Sent from Mailbox https://www.dropbox.com/mailbox On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 8:47 AM, Kurt Fankhauser via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: the old version looks great on an iphone 6+ Sent from my iPhone Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 On Sep 25, 2014, at 5:09 PM, timothy steele via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: The new version have a smart phone friendly web site or app for installer schedules? — Sent from Mailbox https://www.dropbox.com/mailbox On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 3:32 PM, Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote: You change your meds or something Steve? First the props to the PTP650, now this. Makes me think that someone has you tied up in a closet or something, and is posting in your place bp On 9/25/2014 10:44 AM, That One Guy via Af wrote: I never have much good to say about anything, but this is a credit where credit is due thing. They have done alot of work on this new version they have out. We are in the process of demoing it and just did a live import of data from our old version The features in this are slick, the interface doesnt look like something from 1982 anymore It seems responsive and intuitive The big thing today was the 477 export. I personally did not want to have to learn any of the back end stuff on prepping the 477 to file for something that doesnt benefit us and is only done twice a year. I allocated until the filing deadline all my time to focusing on actually reading the FCC crap, collecting the data, formatting it, etc. Powercode just released their functional tool, so i set aside two of those days to get a build live and import our data, I had a couple issues, but it was mainly my dumb ass causing them. Got the live data running, ran the tool and uploaded our stuff. The whole process took around ten minutes, and I still dont even know or care exactly what the FCC is getting, all I know is its done, assuming its correct, and I didnt have to stab anybody. If you are looking for a platform that does your goodness for you (this issue comes up about once a month) Powercode has become a top notch product. Managing your guys time is one of the features just implemented, it needs a little fine tuning, but you can have utter morons handling your scheduling and the system makes sure things dont get too out of hand handling your business with helpdesk ticketing just became a real option with this build too, centralized, tied to your actual customers... nice The billing features have
Re: [AFMUG] OT Friday Fun
I am talking about two octaves above the C on the staff. Is that what you are talking about? Cause that is pretty danged high. Three full octaves above the C below the staff. If so, impressive indeed. I was only reliable over two octaves. I have also heard Maynard Ferguson in concert. From: Paul McCall via Af Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 3:30 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Friday Fun Double C’s are part of my daily warm-up Chuck. But, there are some guys that are just amazing… Doc being on my short list of trumpet players in that list… Maynard Ferguson and Harry James are the other biggies. Glad that you got to hear Doc ! From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+paulm=pdmnet@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via Af Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 12:38 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Friday Fun Yes? Made my lips bleed in empathy. I only hit a double high C scale one time in my life. From: Jeremy Grip via Af Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 5:50 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Friday Fun Still hittin’ double-high C’s?? ( Sorry--old trumpet player here). Jeremy Grip From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+grip=nbnworks@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza via Af Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 7:21 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Friday Fun Yep. Hope you hear him play McArthurs Park.He is close to 90 by now Jaime Solorza On Sep 26, 2014 4:14 PM, Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Probably. Wasn't he the band master for Johny Carson? bpOn 9/26/2014 2:48 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote: He has to be near 90. He still plays the trumpet? Or is he a bandleader? From: Jaime Solorza via Af Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 4:32 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Friday Fun Damn. Thats awesome.Heard he joined Ides of March on Vehicle last year If u can take some pics. Jaime Solorza On Sep 26, 2014 12:09 PM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Going to see Doc Severinsen play tonight. Anybody gonna top that!
Re: [AFMUG] OT Friday Fun
Yes, that one… I just did my warmups for tonight and recorded it for you on my Mac with Quicktime, but I don’t think the MIME attachment type allows for attachments to the list. If not, I will send it to your personal I will try that later … headed out the door for the gig! From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+paulm=pdmnet@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via Af Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 6:26 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Friday Fun I am talking about two octaves above the C on the staff. Is that what you are talking about? Cause that is pretty danged high. Three full octaves above the C below the staff. If so, impressive indeed. I was only reliable over two octaves. I have also heard Maynard Ferguson in concert. From: Paul McCall via Afmailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 3:30 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Friday Fun Double C’s are part of my daily warm-up Chuck. But, there are some guys that are just amazing… Doc being on my short list of trumpet players in that list… Maynard Ferguson and Harry James are the other biggies. Glad that you got to hear Doc ! From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+paulm=pdmnet@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via Af Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 12:38 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Friday Fun Yes? Made my lips bleed in empathy. I only hit a double high C scale one time in my life. From: Jeremy Grip via Afmailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 5:50 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Friday Fun Still hittin’ double-high C’s?? ( Sorry--old trumpet player here). Jeremy Grip From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+grip=nbnworks@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza via Af Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 7:21 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Friday Fun Yep. Hope you hear him play McArthurs Park.He is close to 90 by now Jaime Solorza On Sep 26, 2014 4:14 PM, Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Probably. Wasn't he the band master for Johny Carson? bp On 9/26/2014 2:48 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote: He has to be near 90. He still plays the trumpet? Or is he a bandleader? From: Jaime Solorza via Afmailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 4:32 PM To: Animal Farmmailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Friday Fun Damn. Thats awesome.Heard he joined Ides of March on Vehicle last year If u can take some pics. Jaime Solorza On Sep 26, 2014 12:09 PM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Going to see Doc Severinsen play tonight. Anybody gonna top that!
Re: [AFMUG] OT Friday Fun
MF! MF! MF! (never heard him live, alas)……….. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47uuEYv-C7o From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+grip=nbnworks@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via Af Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 6:26 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Friday Fun I am talking about two octaves above the C on the staff. Is that what you are talking about? Cause that is pretty danged high. Three full octaves above the C below the staff. If so, impressive indeed. I was only reliable over two octaves. I have also heard Maynard Ferguson in concert. From: Paul McCall via Af mailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 3:30 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Friday Fun Double C’s are part of my daily warm-up Chuck. But, there are some guys that are just amazing… Doc being on my short list of trumpet players in that list… Maynard Ferguson and Harry James are the other biggies. Glad that you got to hear Doc ! From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+paulm=pdmnet@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via Af Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 12:38 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Friday Fun Yes? Made my lips bleed in empathy. I only hit a double high C scale one time in my life. From: Jeremy Grip via Af mailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 5:50 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Friday Fun Still hittin’ double-high C’s?? ( Sorry--old trumpet player here). Jeremy Grip From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+grip=nbnworks@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza via Af Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 7:21 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Friday Fun Yep. Hope you hear him play McArthurs Park.He is close to 90 by now Jaime Solorza On Sep 26, 2014 4:14 PM, Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Probably. Wasn't he the band master for Johny Carson? bp On 9/26/2014 2:48 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote: He has to be near 90. He still plays the trumpet? Or is he a bandleader? From: Jaime Solorza via Af mailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 4:32 PM To: Animal Farm mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Friday Fun Damn. Thats awesome.Heard he joined Ides of March on Vehicle last year If u can take some pics. Jaime Solorza On Sep 26, 2014 12:09 PM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Going to see Doc Severinsen play tonight. Anybody gonna top that!
Re: [AFMUG] Physically Hooking up Voip Lines
Nope. Two reasons. First, people are used to bundles. Second, half the reason they are usually switching is they hate their landline phone company so much. I think we do get the occasional person adding VoIP later. From: Nate Burke via Af Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 7:14 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Physically Hooking up Voip Lines Do you schedule both the Wireless and ATA install on the same day, or are they 2 installs? If they are the same day, how do you convince the customer of switching their Phone over when they don't even have the service yet. Don't they question your reliability since their sisters daughters ex-boyfriends cousin had wireless once, and it dropped out this one time so it's not reliable? On 9/27/2014 4:35 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote: I forgot to address the due date issue. Like Jeremy, I try to schedule the install on the porting due date. We don’t get an exact time, but ports usually take effect around 8-9 am, rarely will it not be complete if you schedule a late morning or an afternoon install. Also note that many residential people use their landlines mostly to call out, other people call them on their cellphones because they don’t know if they will be home or not. Couple that with the fact that you can call out on the VoIP line and have the caller ID show the right number even before it ports, it’s the incoming calls that won’t get routed to the VoIP line until the number ports. So if you can’t schedule the install the same day, many people will be OK if you install it the day before. If they are going to use exclusively a cordless phone, most people can handle unplugging it from the wall and plugging it into the ATA on the morning of the porting due date. From: Chris Fabien via Af Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 3:44 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Physically Hooking up Voip Lines We are moving toward strongly suggesting customers not use the house wiring. Seen way too many issues with poor house wiring causing problems or with damaged ATAs after lightning strikes. Our experience, many houses have hacked up phone wiring that somehow works OK for landline service but the ATAs don't tolerate it. Makes for a difficult conversation explaining to customer who wired up their house with radioshack phone cords and splitters, laying on ground in the wet crawlspace, why their new VOIP service isn't reliable. On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 1:10 PM, Jeremy via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I install every VoIP customer for no additional charge. I know the port date before it happens so I always schedule the install for that day, and let them know when we begin the process that they may be without for a few hours on the day that the porting completes. Most VoIP installs are simple, like two minutes. Occasionally we run into the nightmare installs. I ask them and if they just use one expandable cordless set I don't touch the wiring. Otherwise we do the whole home install. I'd say the majority are whole home installs. We try to make sure that we bring the wire into the hub whenever possible, or near a phone jack. That way if they decide that they want VoIP down the road it is an easy install. I always consider the potential VoIP install when doing the wireless install. On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 10:44 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I will only rely on the customer to install the ATA if they are going to plug a cordless base into it, no house wiring. Otherwise, they will forget to disconnect the POTS line at the NID. Most people have a cordless phone system, but they may also have an old princess phone somewhere in the house, first try to convince them to ditch the corded phones and not use the house wiring. Failing that, have your installer tell them the router and ATA have to go near a phone jack. If they insist on putting the ATA in a room with no phone jack and still using the house wiring to reach corded phones, the professional way is probably to install a surface mount jack and wire it like a phone guy would, and charge them labor materials. If they have an old 900/2.4/5.8 cordless phone, you probably want them to replace it with a new DECT system anyway, you can get systems with a whole bunch of cordless handsets for not much money. Perhaps people can be convinced by comparing to WiFi. It used to be people would run Ethernet to every room to plug in their computers, no one does this anymore, they want all their devices to be portable and use WiFi. Same with phones, if you pick up the phone, you want to be able to move to another room or even outside and take the phone with you. If they really cannot go cordless or have the Internet installed to a room with a phone jack, then charge them for installing a phone jack. It does mean a few more parts an installer needs to carry. If you don't want to
Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 in 3.55?
I would say that is likely Jeremy. From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+paulm=pdmnet@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy Grip via Af Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 8:18 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] PMP450 in 3.55? I notice looking at PMP450 specs that there are two separate units in 3GHz, one for 3300-3600 and one for 3550-3800. Does that mean we’re liable to be able to utilize the lower 100 when (if?) we get shared 3550-3650 on that platform? They’d be able to implement robust compliant DFS on it—it’s an SDR, right? Jeremy Grip North Branch Networks, LLC
Re: [AFMUG] OT Friday Fun
For you Chuck... attempting to attach an .m4a file for you From: Af [af-bounces+paulm=pdmnet@afmug.com] on behalf of Jeremy Grip via Af [af@afmug.com] Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 8:06 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Friday Fun MF! MF! MF! (never heard him live, alas)……….. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47uuEYv-C7o From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+grip=nbnworks@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via Af Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 6:26 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Friday Fun I am talking about two octaves above the C on the staff. Is that what you are talking about? Cause that is pretty danged high. Three full octaves above the C below the staff. If so, impressive indeed. I was only reliable over two octaves. I have also heard Maynard Ferguson in concert. From: Paul McCall via Afmailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 3:30 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Friday Fun Double C’s are part of my daily warm-up Chuck. But, there are some guys that are just amazing… Doc being on my short list of trumpet players in that list… Maynard Ferguson and Harry James are the other biggies. Glad that you got to hear Doc ! From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+paulm=pdmnet@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via Af Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 12:38 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Friday Fun Yes? Made my lips bleed in empathy. I only hit a double high C scale one time in my life. From: Jeremy Grip via Afmailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 5:50 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Friday Fun Still hittin’ double-high C’s?? ( Sorry--old trumpet player here). Jeremy Grip From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+grip=nbnworks@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza via Af Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 7:21 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Friday Fun Yep. Hope you hear him play McArthurs Park.He is close to 90 by now Jaime Solorza On Sep 26, 2014 4:14 PM, Bill Prince via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Probably. Wasn't he the band master for Johny Carson? bp On 9/26/2014 2:48 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote: He has to be near 90. He still plays the trumpet? Or is he a bandleader? From: Jaime Solorza via Afmailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 4:32 PM To: Animal Farmmailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Friday Fun Damn. Thats awesome.Heard he joined Ides of March on Vehicle last year If u can take some pics. Jaime Solorza On Sep 26, 2014 12:09 PM, Chuck McCown via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Going to see Doc Severinsen play tonight. Anybody gonna top that!
Re: [AFMUG] missing part on Canopy SM
It's a Transient Voltage Suppressor. I haven't tested others, but I know 100 will function just fine without it. In a pinch I remove them to fix ethernet errors. I think this is the right part number if you wanted to replace it. RCLAMP0504FCT Gerard On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 10:19 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Anybody know what that little 6-leaded SMD is between the RJ45 jack and the Ethernet transformer on the PCB of a Canopy SM? We bought a used SM that doesn't work (it lights up and seems to be trying) and that part is missing. I don't think it's optional. But is its absence causing the problems? Or just an indication that a tech didn't finish repairing it and mistakenly marked it as tested and good? If it's a surge protection component, it seems too small to do much good.
Re: [AFMUG] missing part on Canopy SM
oops, 100 series Gerard On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 10:28 PM, Gerard Dupont III ger...@shelbybb.com wrote: It's a Transient Voltage Suppressor. I haven't tested others, but I know 100 will function just fine without it. In a pinch I remove them to fix ethernet errors. I think this is the right part number if you wanted to replace it. RCLAMP0504FCT Gerard On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 10:19 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Anybody know what that little 6-leaded SMD is between the RJ45 jack and the Ethernet transformer on the PCB of a Canopy SM? We bought a used SM that doesn't work (it lights up and seems to be trying) and that part is missing. I don't think it's optional. But is its absence causing the problems? Or just an indication that a tech didn't finish repairing it and mistakenly marked it as tested and good? If it's a surge protection component, it seems too small to do much good.
Re: [AFMUG] missing part on Canopy SM
Gerard is correct. An SM will function without it, though it makes the Ethernet less than protected from basic transient surges (even little ones). I would suggest replacing it From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+paulm=pdmnet@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gerard Dupont III via Af Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 10:28 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] missing part on Canopy SM It's a Transient Voltage Suppressor. I haven't tested others, but I know 100 will function just fine without it. In a pinch I remove them to fix ethernet errors. I think this is the right part number if you wanted to replace it. RCLAMP0504FCT Gerard On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 10:19 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Anybody know what that little 6-leaded SMD is between the RJ45 jack and the Ethernet transformer on the PCB of a Canopy SM? We bought a used SM that doesn't work (it lights up and seems to be trying) and that part is missing. I don't think it's optional. But is its absence causing the problems? Or just an indication that a tech didn't finish repairing it and mistakenly marked it as tested and good? If it's a surge protection component, it seems too small to do much good.
Re: [AFMUG] missing part on Canopy SM
Could be that when the part came off, a trace went with it From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+paulm=pdmnet@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof via Af Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 11:07 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] missing part on Canopy SM So the missing part doesn’t explain why it doesn’t work. It came with a guarantee, so I’ll send it back to the seller. From: Paul McCall via Afmailto:af@afmug.com Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 9:47 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] missing part on Canopy SM Gerard is correct. An SM will function without it, though it makes the Ethernet less than protected from basic transient surges (even little ones). I would suggest replacing it From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+paulm=pdmnet@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gerard Dupont III via Af Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 10:28 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] missing part on Canopy SM It's a Transient Voltage Suppressor. I haven't tested others, but I know 100 will function just fine without it. In a pinch I remove them to fix ethernet errors. I think this is the right part number if you wanted to replace it. RCLAMP0504FCT Gerard On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 10:19 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com wrote: Anybody know what that little 6-leaded SMD is between the RJ45 jack and the Ethernet transformer on the PCB of a Canopy SM? We bought a used SM that doesn't work (it lights up and seems to be trying) and that part is missing. I don't think it's optional. But is its absence causing the problems? Or just an indication that a tech didn't finish repairing it and mistakenly marked it as tested and good? If it's a surge protection component, it seems too small to do much good.
Re: [AFMUG] PMP450 in 3.55?
I'm pretty sure that's their plan since its a software defined radio. On Saturday, September 27, 2014, Jeremy Grip via Af af@afmug.com wrote: I notice looking at PMP450 specs that there are two separate units in 3GHz, one for 3300-3600 and one for 3550-3800. Does that mean we’re liable to be able to utilize the lower 100 when (if?) we get shared 3550-3650 on that platform? They’d be able to implement robust compliant DFS on it—it’s an SDR, right? Jeremy Grip North Branch Networks, LLC
Re: [AFMUG] missing part on Canopy SM
Could be, but it looks like it was cleanly desoldered. Seeing up close is not one of my superpowers though, not for quite awhile now. I was just trying to configure it at the office. Ethernet bounces up and down, and LEDs don’t seem to go through the regular sequence. I did once get into it at 192.168.1.1 which is strange because it was supposed to be defaulted, NAT was enabled. Strange. From: Paul McCall via Af Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 10:36 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] missing part on Canopy SM Could be that when the part came off, a trace went with it From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+paulm=pdmnet@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof via Af Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 11:07 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] missing part on Canopy SM So the missing part doesn’t explain why it doesn’t work. It came with a guarantee, so I’ll send it back to the seller. From: Paul McCall via Af Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 9:47 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] missing part on Canopy SM Gerard is correct. An SM will function without it, though it makes the Ethernet less than protected from basic transient surges (even little ones). I would suggest replacing it From: Af [mailto:af-bounces+paulm=pdmnet@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gerard Dupont III via Af Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 10:28 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] missing part on Canopy SM It's a Transient Voltage Suppressor. I haven't tested others, but I know 100 will function just fine without it. In a pinch I remove them to fix ethernet errors. I think this is the right part number if you wanted to replace it. RCLAMP0504FCT Gerard On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 10:19 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com wrote: Anybody know what that little 6-leaded SMD is between the RJ45 jack and the Ethernet transformer on the PCB of a Canopy SM? We bought a used SM that doesn't work (it lights up and seems to be trying) and that part is missing. I don't think it's optional. But is its absence causing the problems? Or just an indication that a tech didn't finish repairing it and mistakenly marked it as tested and good? If it's a surge protection component, it seems too small to do much good.
