Re: [AFMUG] MT in 5GHz band
hahaha I hope not. If that is the case, couple in the FCC's timetable, we'll have the gear certified after the rules change again. - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 11:09 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] MT in 5GHz band We are currently working hard to work this out so no one need to worry about any of your concerns discussed here. More information will follow! I wonder if they're putting the same level of priority on it as the Dude. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 11:58 AM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: It's good to hear they're finally doing something. Hopefully they'll at least get UNII-1 and UNII-3. On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 10:54 AM, Glen Waldrop gwl...@cngwireless.net wrote: I was rebuilding a fried AP, figured it would likely be my last MT 5GHz unit. MT finally mentioned that they are working on UNII certifications. Exactly what that means is anyone's guess. They might shoot for UNII 3 and leave the rest on the table. http://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?f=7t=87354#p491178
[AFMUG] Indiana Regional WISP Meeting - July 24
Not sure if any of you are planning to go, but I will be at the WISPA meeting in Indianapolis on Friday if anyone wants to chat... (or maybe this information will cause you to stay far far away from this meeting :)) Matt Mangriotis Senior Product Manager Cambium Networks 3800 Golf Road, Suite 360 Rolling Meadows, IL 60008 www.cambiumnetworks.comhttp://www.cambiumnetworks.com/ O: 847-439-6379 M: 630-308-9394 E: m...@cambiumnetworks.commailto:m...@cambiumnetworks.com [CN_logo_horizontal_blueIcon_blackName] Join the Conversation Cambium Networks Community Forumhttp://community.cambiumnetworks.com/
Re: [AFMUG] Powercode
This sounds encouraging! Hopefully they're just swamped in support and it will be sorted out soon. On 7/21/2015 11:10 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: To be honest...no offense against Simon...but I'm new features faster and PITA bugs fixed quicker. Alex has been extremely communicative. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 11:03 AM, Jon Bruce jbruce-af...@ptpbroadband.com mailto:jbruce-af...@ptpbroadband.com wrote: I've been seeing the same thing with Powercode support. I get that they lost two key players, but I'm starting to worry. On 7/14/2015 3:44 PM, Andreas Wiatowski wrote: Thanks Josh. Cheers, __ Andreas Wiatowski | CEO Silo Wireless Inc. Email andr...@silowireless.com mailto:andr...@silowireless.com 19 Sage Court Brantford, Ontario N3R 7T4 (CANADA) Tel +1.519.449.5656 Extension-600 tel:%2B1.519.449.5656%C2%A0%20Extension-600|Fax +1.519.449.5536 tel:%2B1.519.449.5536 |Toll Free +1.866.727.4138 tel:%2B1.866.727.4138 Website http://www.silowireless.com/| Facebook http://www.facebook.com/silowireless| Twitter @silowireless This electronic message and all of its contents and attachments contain information from the offices of Silo Wireless Inc., which may be privileged, confidential or otherwise protected from disclosure. The information is intended to be for the addressee only. If you are not the addressee, then any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this message, or its contents or any of its attachments, is prohibited. If you have received this electronic message in error, please notify us immediately and destroy the original message and all copies. *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman *Sent:* July 14, 2015 3:39 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Powercode You should be getting a call. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 2:23 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I emailed the owner offlist. Let me know if you don't hear from him by COB. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 2:18 PM, Andreas Wiatowski andr...@silowireless.com mailto:andr...@silowireless.com wrote: Anyone know how to get in touch with the owner of Powercode? My staff are getting frustrated with open trouble tickets of almost 2 months and my fuse is short. Cheers, __ Andreas Wiatowski | CEO Silo Wireless Inc. Email andr...@silowireless.com mailto:andr...@silowireless.com 19 Sage Court Brantford, Ontario N3R 7T4 (CANADA) Tel +1.519.449.5656 Extension-600 tel:%2B1.519.449.5656%C2%A0%20Extension-600|Fax +1.519.449.5536 tel:%2B1.519.449.5536 |Toll Free +1.866.727.4138 tel:%2B1.866.727.4138 Website http://www.silowireless.com/http://www.silowireless.com/ | Facebook http://www.facebook.com/silowireless http://www.facebook.com/silowireless | Twitter @silowireless This electronic message and all of its contents and attachments contain information from the offices of Silo Wireless Inc., which may be privileged, confidential or otherwise protected from disclosure. The information is intended to be for the addressee only. If you are not the addressee, then any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this message, or its contents or any of its attachments, is prohibited. If you have received this electronic message in error, please notify us immediately and destroy the original message and all copies.
Re: [AFMUG] Indiana Regional WISP Meeting - July 24
We can chat about you taking me out to eat. That's a worthy chat. Tyson Burris, President Internet Communications Inc. 739 Commerce Dr. Franklin, IN 46131 317-738-0320 Daytime # 317-412-1540 Cell/Direct # Online: www.surfici.net What can ICI do for you? Broadband Wireless - PtP/PtMP Solutions - WiMax - Mesh Wifi/Hotzones - IP Security - Fiber - Tower - Infrastructure. CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail is intended for the addressee shown. It contains information that is confidential and protected from disclosure. Any review, dissemination or use of this transmission or its contents by unauthorized organizations or individuals is strictly prohibited. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt Mangriotis Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 10:59 AM To: 'af@afmug.com' Subject: [AFMUG] Indiana Regional WISP Meeting - July 24 Not sure if any of you are planning to go, but I will be at the WISPA meeting in Indianapolis on Friday if anyone wants to chat. (or maybe this information will cause you to stay far far away from this meeting :)) Matt Mangriotis Senior Product Manager Cambium Networks 3800 Golf Road, Suite 360 Rolling Meadows, IL 60008 http://www.cambiumnetworks.com/ www.cambiumnetworks.com O: 847-439-6379 M: 630-308-9394 E: mailto:m...@cambiumnetworks.com m...@cambiumnetworks.com Join the Conversation http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/ Cambium Networks Community Forum
Re: [AFMUG] MT in 5GHz band
We are currently working hard to work this out so no one need to worry about any of your concerns discussed here. More information will follow! I wonder if they're putting the same level of priority on it as the Dude. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 11:58 AM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: It's good to hear they're finally doing something. Hopefully they'll at least get UNII-1 and UNII-3. On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 10:54 AM, Glen Waldrop gwl...@cngwireless.net wrote: I was rebuilding a fried AP, figured it would likely be my last MT 5GHz unit. MT finally mentioned that they are working on UNII certifications. Exactly what that means is anyone's guess. They might shoot for UNII 3 and leave the rest on the table. http://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?f=7t=87354#p491178
Re: [AFMUG] Powercode
I've been seeing the same thing with Powercode support. I get that they lost two key players, but I'm starting to worry. On 7/14/2015 3:44 PM, Andreas Wiatowski wrote: Thanks Josh. Cheers, __ Andreas Wiatowski | CEO Silo Wireless Inc. Email andr...@silowireless.com 19 Sage Court Brantford, Ontario N3R 7T4 (CANADA) Tel +1.519.449.5656 Extension-600|Fax +1.519.449.5536 |Toll Free +1.866.727.4138 Website http://www.silowireless.com/| Facebook http://www.facebook.com/silowireless| Twitter @silowireless This electronic message and all of its contents and attachments contain information from the offices of Silo Wireless Inc., which may be privileged, confidential or otherwise protected from disclosure. The information is intended to be for the addressee only. If you are not the addressee, then any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this message, or its contents or any of its attachments, is prohibited. If you have received this electronic message in error, please notify us immediately and destroy the original message and all copies. *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman *Sent:* July 14, 2015 3:39 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Powercode You should be getting a call. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 2:23 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I emailed the owner offlist. Let me know if you don't hear from him by COB. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 2:18 PM, Andreas Wiatowski andr...@silowireless.com mailto:andr...@silowireless.com wrote: Anyone know how to get in touch with the owner of Powercode? My staff are getting frustrated with open trouble tickets of almost 2 months and my fuse is short. Cheers, __ Andreas Wiatowski | CEO Silo Wireless Inc. Email andr...@silowireless.com mailto:andr...@silowireless.com 19 Sage Court Brantford, Ontario N3R 7T4 (CANADA) Tel +1.519.449.5656 Extension-600 tel:%2B1.519.449.5656%C2%A0%20Extension-600|Fax +1.519.449.5536 tel:%2B1.519.449.5536 |Toll Free +1.866.727.4138 tel:%2B1.866.727.4138 Website http://www.silowireless.com/ http://www.silowireless.com/ | Facebook http://www.facebook.com/silowireless http://www.facebook.com/silowireless | Twitter @silowireless This electronic message and all of its contents and attachments contain information from the offices of Silo Wireless Inc., which may be privileged, confidential or otherwise protected from disclosure. The information is intended to be for the addressee only. If you are not the addressee, then any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this message, or its contents or any of its attachments, is prohibited. If you have received this electronic message in error, please notify us immediately and destroy the original message and all copies.
Re: [AFMUG] Indiana Regional WISP Meeting - July 24
I'm driving there real early in the morning. Make sure there's Monster for me =P Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 10:58 AM, Matt Mangriotis matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.com wrote: Not sure if any of you are planning to go, but I will be at the WISPA meeting in Indianapolis on Friday if anyone wants to chat… (or maybe this information will cause you to stay far far away from this meeting J) *Matt Mangriotis* Senior Product Manager * Cambium Networks* 3800 Golf Road, Suite 360 Rolling Meadows, IL 60008 www.cambiumnetworks.com *O: *847-439-6379 *M: *630-308-9394 * E: *m...@cambiumnetworks.com [image: CN_logo_horizontal_blueIcon_blackName] Join the Conversation Cambium Networks Community Forum http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/
[AFMUG] MT in 5GHz band
I was rebuilding a fried AP, figured it would likely be my last MT 5GHz unit. MT finally mentioned that they are working on UNII certifications. Exactly what that means is anyone's guess. They might shoot for UNII 3 and leave the rest on the table. http://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?f=7t=87354#p491178
Re: [AFMUG] single story - 5000 square feet house UniFi or Xclaim (Ruckus)
I have success with UniFi at schools business and home. We are installing
15 to 25 Ruckus APs per three story barracks made of concrete frames and
supports and heavy drywall. The signals get outside through windows.
Don't know how they are working as Boingo rep on site is an ###
according to contractor. I see no rf mgt of any kind as they step on each
other on my WiFi inspector. Given my scope of work is outdoor Bridgewave GE
60s and Ubiquiti 365 ptp installs only. But there are tons of Ruckus out
there so what do I know.
On Jul 21, 2015 5:49 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote:
We have a 2.4GHz Unifi AP-LR in our house, and it works very, very well.
Covers all of our 2800 SF house with ease.
Don't have any experience with trying to coordinate 1 AP with it though.
I suspect that the Ruckus would work better. Or maybe Meraki.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 7/21/2015 12:52 PM, Paul McCall wrote:
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Re: [AFMUG] Epmp user throughput
i concur, we've seen 80+ meg on our 2.4 EPMP deployments. it has shocked us - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 10:57 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Epmp user throughput If the Mikrotiks at the customer site are doing 40x10 but the customer devices behind the MT it doesn't really make sense to look at the epmp for your problem. It could be the Mikrotik's CPU, port, wireless or the customer device. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 11:54 PM, Nate Burke n...@blastcomm.com wrote: I have deployed quite a bit of epmp, but most people are at my base package, 4x1 (using the radio qos to limit bw on different tiers). Of the handful of people that are on larger plans, 20x5 or 40x10, 2 of them, on different towers are complaining that they struggle to get over 10mb on a speed test. The radio rf link test performs at the assigned qos level, and I sent one of them a mikrotik to go between the poe and his router (qos 40x10), and udp/tcp tests to that are coming back as expected. However, I can be watching the router, and his interface plugged directly into a laptop only runs like 10x2 during a speedtest. Do both of these customers have something wonky with their laptops, or is there a setting in epmp I'm overlooking? Most of our epmp deployment has been FSK upgrades, so I haven't had much actual laptop time myself behind an epmp sm, as we just go on the roof and change radios. Nate
Re: [AFMUG] Powercode
To be honest...no offense against Simon...but I'm new features faster and PITA bugs fixed quicker. Alex has been extremely communicative. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 11:03 AM, Jon Bruce jbruce-af...@ptpbroadband.com wrote: I've been seeing the same thing with Powercode support. I get that they lost two key players, but I'm starting to worry. On 7/14/2015 3:44 PM, Andreas Wiatowski wrote: Thanks Josh. Cheers, __ Andreas Wiatowski | CEO Silo Wireless Inc. Email andr...@silowireless.com 19 Sage Court Brantford, Ontario N3R 7T4 (CANADA) Tel +1.519.449.5656 Extension-600|Fax +1.519.449.5536 |Toll Free +1.866.727.4138 Website http://www.silowireless.com/ | Facebook http://www.facebook.com/silowireless | Twitter @silowireless This electronic message and all of its contents and attachments contain information from the offices of Silo Wireless Inc., which may be privileged, confidential or otherwise protected from disclosure. The information is intended to be for the addressee only. If you are not the addressee, then any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this message, or its contents or any of its attachments, is prohibited. If you have received this electronic message in error, please notify us immediately and destroy the original message and all copies. *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman *Sent:* July 14, 2015 3:39 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Powercode You should be getting a call. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 2:23 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I emailed the owner offlist. Let me know if you don't hear from him by COB. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 2:18 PM, Andreas Wiatowski andr...@silowireless.comandr...@silowireless.com wrote: Anyone know how to get in touch with the owner of Powercode? My staff are getting frustrated with open trouble tickets of almost 2 months and my fuse is short. Cheers, __ Andreas Wiatowski | CEO Silo Wireless Inc. Email andr...@silowireless.com 19 Sage Court Brantford, Ontario N3R 7T4 (CANADA) Tel +1.519.449.5656 Extension-600|Fax +1.519.449.5536 |Toll Free +1.866.727.4138 Website http://www.silowireless.com/http://www.silowireless.com/ | Facebook http://www.facebook.com/silowireless | Twitter @silowireless This electronic message and all of its contents and attachments contain information from the offices of Silo Wireless Inc., which may be privileged, confidential or otherwise protected from disclosure. The information is intended to be for the addressee only. If you are not the addressee, then any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this message, or its contents or any of its attachments, is prohibited. If you have received this electronic message in error, please notify us immediately and destroy the original message and all copies.
Re: [AFMUG] MT in 5GHz band
It's good to hear they're finally doing something. Hopefully they'll at least get UNII-1 and UNII-3. On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 10:54 AM, Glen Waldrop gwl...@cngwireless.net wrote: I was rebuilding a fried AP, figured it would likely be my last MT 5GHz unit. MT finally mentioned that they are working on UNII certifications. Exactly what that means is anyone's guess. They might shoot for UNII 3 and leave the rest on the table. http://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?f=7t=87354#p491178
Re: [AFMUG] ePMP force 110 gps sync
220 would be perfect. I've had nothing but great RF performance. Did you see my story about going from Beams to force110? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jul 21, 2015 1:51 PM, Joshua Heide j...@velociter.net wrote: Looking into these units. Wondering what kind of throughput people are getting with these. Are you getting the 220mbps real world throughput that they claim? Josh Heide Network Engineer Velociter Wireless, Inc. (209)838-1221 x108
[AFMUG] ePMP force 110 gps sync
Looking into these units. Wondering what kind of throughput people are getting with these. Are you getting the 220mbps real world throughput that they claim? Josh Heide Network Engineer Velociter Wireless, Inc. (209)838-1221 x108
Re: [AFMUG] Let's Encrypt
Yeah, it's a pretty cool concept. Should essentially let you generate (for free) browser trusted certs. I've been waiting for it to come out for a while. Right now I mostly use Comodo because it's cheap, but this should end up being pretty much comparable for $0. On 7/20/2015 9:37 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: Coming September. Anyone know more about it? Free certs sounds good. https://letsencrypt.org/
Re: [AFMUG] ePMP force 110 gps sync
We love epmp here we may start doing away with ubnt We have 20/20 fiber at one site. And we get full throughput with no issues On Jul 21, 2015 12:52 PM, Joshua Heide j...@velociter.net wrote: Looking into these units. Wondering what kind of throughput people are getting with these. Are you getting the 220mbps real world throughput that they claim? Josh Heide Network Engineer Velociter Wireless, Inc. (209)838-1221 x108
[AFMUG] OT: DSL aggregation
Does anyone know of a product that can aggregate 3 DSL lines to appear as 1 30Mbs connection?
Re: [AFMUG] ePMP force 110 gps sync
Really, 220 Mbps in a 40 MHz channel? That’s a bunch for something based on an 802.11n PHY. I think the regular Force 110 spec sheet says 150M, does the GPS sync version really say 220M? I’m not disputing it, just surprised/amazed. From: Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 1:15 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP force 110 gps sync 220 would be perfect. I've had nothing but great RF performance. Did you see my story about going from Beams to force110? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jul 21, 2015 1:51 PM, Joshua Heide j...@velociter.net wrote: Looking into these units. Wondering what kind of throughput people are getting with these. Are you getting the 220mbps real world throughput that they claim? Josh Heide Network Engineer Velociter Wireless, Inc. (209)838-1221 x108
Re: [AFMUG] OT: DSL aggregation
MT can load balance, unless the DSL supports MLPPPOE, then it will bond. Everything else other than a aggregator that costs every month would be load balancing .. Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc. den...@linktechs.net - 314-735-0270 - www.linktechs.net -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Dan Petermann Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 12:56 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] OT: DSL aggregation Does anyone know of a product that can aggregate 3 DSL lines to appear as 1 30Mbs connection?
Re: [AFMUG] NED vs SRTM
Only about 7 miles...one end hasn't been erected yet, so nothing to climb and nothing to look for. How long is the link? Can you just climb and look with binoculars, or a hyperzoom camera? Does one end have a strobe you can look for? *From:* Cameron Crum mailto:cc...@wispmon.com *Sent:* Tuesday, July 21, 2015 5:51 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] NED vs SRTM I think NED is pretty old data. You might look at the old DEMs in sdts format. Those were pretty accurate before srtm came along. You can download them from a few different sources, but you would have to know what to do with them or have software which could extract the data. ' Cameron On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 5:18 PM, Adam Moffett dmmoff...@gmail.com mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote: If there's a 5 meter discrepancy between USGS National Elevation Data and the Shuttle Radar Topography Mission, who would you trust? Would you bet $500 on it? In this case, with NED I'll have LOS on a backhaul, and with SRTM I'm in the woods. I'm under the impression that SRTM sometimes gets you treetops rather than the ground. If I'm wrong I have alternate paths, but I'd have to pay for a new PCNso it really is a $500 bet. :)
Re: [AFMUG] NED vs SRTM
NED is the national elevation dataset and is based on actual ground elevation data and digitized topo maps. SRTM is a combination of RADAR and LIDAR data from the shuttle missions. They do not reflect actual ground elevation, they are a processed echo return of whatever radar and LIDAR returns that were received on the shuttle. The source of the data should also be known as to the resolution. SRTM data was published at 30 meter resolution meaning the hard data points are spaced at 30 meter intervals. NED data is available in various resolutions the most common nationwide being 1/3 arc second or 10 meter resolution or actual data points every 10 meters. This produces a much more accurate terrain model which in turn creates much more accurate RF propagation information. I have attached a real rough paper with images that illustrate the various differences in terrain data and resolution. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com www.Broadband-Mapping.com -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 6:19 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] NED vs SRTM If there's a 5 meter discrepancy between USGS National Elevation Data and the Shuttle Radar Topography Mission, who would you trust? Would you bet $500 on it? In this case, with NED I'll have LOS on a backhaul, and with SRTM I'm in the woods. I'm under the impression that SRTM sometimes gets you treetops rather than the ground. If I'm wrong I have alternate paths, but I'd have to pay for a new PCNso it really is a $500 bet. :)
Re: [AFMUG] Indiana Regional WISP Meeting - July 24
I personally won't be there (prior commitments), but Midwest-IX should have a table. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com - Original Message - From: Matt Mangriotis matt.mangrio...@cambiumnetworks.com To: af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 9:58:41 AM Subject: [AFMUG] Indiana Regional WISP Meeting - July 24 Not sure if any of you are planning to go, but I will be at the WISPA meeting in Indianapolis on Friday if anyone wants to chat… (or maybe this information will cause you to stay far far away from this meeting J ) Matt Mangriotis Senior Product Manager Cambium Networks 3800 Golf Road, Suite 360 Rolling Meadows, IL 60008 www.cambiumnetworks.com O: 847-439-6379 M: 630-308-9394 E: m...@cambiumnetworks.com CN_logo_horizontal_blueIcon_blackName Join the Conversation Cambium Networks Community Forum
Re: [AFMUG] Epmp user throughput
Wasn't there something about multiple streams mentioned at one point? ___ Tyler Treat ___ On Jul 21, 2015, at 10:57 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: If the Mikrotiks at the customer site are doing 40x10 but the customer devices behind the MT it doesn't really make sense to look at the epmp for your problem. It could be the Mikrotik's CPU, port, wireless or the customer device. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 11:54 PM, Nate Burke n...@blastcomm.commailto:n...@blastcomm.com wrote: I have deployed quite a bit of epmp, but most people are at my base package, 4x1 (using the radio qos to limit bw on different tiers). Of the handful of people that are on larger plans, 20x5 or 40x10, 2 of them, on different towers are complaining that they struggle to get over 10mb on a speed test. The radio rf link test performs at the assigned qos level, and I sent one of them a mikrotik to go between the poe and his router (qos 40x10), and udp/tcp tests to that are coming back as expected. However, I can be watching the router, and his interface plugged directly into a laptop only runs like 10x2 during a speedtest. Do both of these customers have something wonky with their laptops, or is there a setting in epmp I'm overlooking? Most of our epmp deployment has been FSK upgrades, so I haven't had much actual laptop time myself behind an epmp sm, as we just go on the roof and change radios. Nate
Re: [AFMUG] Epmp user throughput
If the Mikrotiks at the customer site are doing 40x10 but the customer devices behind the MT it doesn't really make sense to look at the epmp for your problem. It could be the Mikrotik's CPU, port, wireless or the customer device. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 11:54 PM, Nate Burke n...@blastcomm.com wrote: I have deployed quite a bit of epmp, but most people are at my base package, 4x1 (using the radio qos to limit bw on different tiers). Of the handful of people that are on larger plans, 20x5 or 40x10, 2 of them, on different towers are complaining that they struggle to get over 10mb on a speed test. The radio rf link test performs at the assigned qos level, and I sent one of them a mikrotik to go between the poe and his router (qos 40x10), and udp/tcp tests to that are coming back as expected. However, I can be watching the router, and his interface plugged directly into a laptop only runs like 10x2 during a speedtest. Do both of these customers have something wonky with their laptops, or is there a setting in epmp I'm overlooking? Most of our epmp deployment has been FSK upgrades, so I haven't had much actual laptop time myself behind an epmp sm, as we just go on the roof and change radios. Nate
Re: [AFMUG] ePMP force 110 gps sync
No I did not do you got a link Josh Heide Network Engineer Velociter Wireless, Inc. (209)838-1221 x108 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 11:15 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP force 110 gps sync 220 would be perfect. I've had nothing but great RF performance. Did you see my story about going from Beams to force110? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jul 21, 2015 1:51 PM, Joshua Heide j...@velociter.netmailto:j...@velociter.net wrote: Looking into these units. Wondering what kind of throughput people are getting with these. Are you getting the 220mbps real world throughput that they claim? Josh Heide Network Engineer Velociter Wireless, Inc. (209)838-1221 x108tel:%28209%29838-1221%20x108
Re: [AFMUG] Let's Encrypt
Whoa that's going to be a huge! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 1:26 PM, Simon Westlake simon.westl...@digitalgunfire.com wrote: Yeah, it's a pretty cool concept. Should essentially let you generate (for free) browser trusted certs. I've been waiting for it to come out for a while. Right now I mostly use Comodo because it's cheap, but this should end up being pretty much comparable for $0. On 7/20/2015 9:37 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: Coming September. Anyone know more about it? Free certs sounds good. https://letsencrypt.org/
Re: [AFMUG] ePMP force 110 gps sync
I figured if you hadn't read it you'd never find it so you're more than welcome =) I still can't get my head wrapped around how ePMP outperforms Ubnt when they're both Atheros chipsets, but I suppose other people had the same thing when it came to 10baseT and 100baseT still using the same cat5e! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 3:03 PM, Joshua Heide j...@velociter.net wrote: Thanks for the link :D Josh Heide Network Engineer Velociter Wireless, Inc. (209)838-1221 x108 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman *Sent:* Tuesday, July 21, 2015 11:58 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP force 110 gps sync http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/ePMP-1000/Force110-ptp-success-story/m-p/38263 If you have experience with NanoBeams and are looking to improve the link, absolutely read this story. The antennas are definitely a bit better but the radios are probably always going to be at least somewhat subjective - my experience on this link should help you decide on that. Note: The force110 ptp radios/GPS stuff isn't really relevant to the link itself. The sync only fixes self-interference. You could just as easily use the $100 force110 radios with the same results. I used ptp radios there for the extra metal shielding which is probably irrelevant, but I didn't want to climb again in the middle of the winter to save pennies. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 2:30 PM, Joshua Heide j...@velociter.net wrote: No I did not do you got a link Josh Heide Network Engineer Velociter Wireless, Inc. (209)838-1221 x108 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman *Sent:* Tuesday, July 21, 2015 11:15 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP force 110 gps sync 220 would be perfect. I've had nothing but great RF performance. Did you see my story about going from Beams to force110? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jul 21, 2015 1:51 PM, Joshua Heide j...@velociter.net wrote: Looking into these units. Wondering what kind of throughput people are getting with these. Are you getting the 220mbps real world throughput that they claim? Josh Heide Network Engineer Velociter Wireless, Inc. (209)838-1221 x108
Re: [AFMUG] Let's Encrypt
$8/year? How? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 3:28 PM, Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org wrote: People who want increased Pagerank and better security possibly …. I think my SSL certs are costing $8/yr approx. *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman *Sent:* Tuesday, July 21, 2015 3:20 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Let's Encrypt Companies and such can do 50 a year. For a person on their personal website who wants to spend the money for no reason? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jul 21, 2015 3:13 PM, Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org wrote: Hopefully it “plays nice” with all browsers.. there’s been a couple of other free SSL providers come along but they had significant problems with certain browsers. Honestly for the price of a “cheap” SSL cert anymore I’m not sure this is huge news – but it definitely will hopefully foster further SSL adoption .. J *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman *Sent:* Tuesday, July 21, 2015 2:52 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Let's Encrypt Whoa that's going to be a huge! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 1:26 PM, Simon Westlake simon.westl...@digitalgunfire.com wrote: Yeah, it's a pretty cool concept. Should essentially let you generate (for free) browser trusted certs. I've been waiting for it to come out for a while. Right now I mostly use Comodo because it's cheap, but this should end up being pretty much comparable for $0. On 7/20/2015 9:37 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: Coming September. Anyone know more about it? Free certs sounds good. https://letsencrypt.org/
Re: [AFMUG] Let's Encrypt
Self signed certs would still have Chrome/Firefox complain that it isn't secure. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 3:29 PM, Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org wrote: Do the CPE radios support it? But for infrastructure stuff why not install your own certs? *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman *Sent:* Tuesday, July 21, 2015 3:20 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Let's Encrypt Oh what if we can batch it for thousands of CPE radios? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jul 21, 2015 3:13 PM, Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org wrote: Hopefully it “plays nice” with all browsers.. there’s been a couple of other free SSL providers come along but they had significant problems with certain browsers. Honestly for the price of a “cheap” SSL cert anymore I’m not sure this is huge news – but it definitely will hopefully foster further SSL adoption .. J *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman *Sent:* Tuesday, July 21, 2015 2:52 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Let's Encrypt Whoa that's going to be a huge! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 1:26 PM, Simon Westlake simon.westl...@digitalgunfire.com wrote: Yeah, it's a pretty cool concept. Should essentially let you generate (for free) browser trusted certs. I've been waiting for it to come out for a while. Right now I mostly use Comodo because it's cheap, but this should end up being pretty much comparable for $0. On 7/20/2015 9:37 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: Coming September. Anyone know more about it? Free certs sounds good. https://letsencrypt.org/
Re: [AFMUG] Let's Encrypt
For CPE, you can install it in your browser to confirm it’s secure … won’t prompt you again. We run many different internal systems that have private SSL certs that are installed in our browsers … works well …. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 3:32 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Let's Encrypt Self signed certs would still have Chrome/Firefox complain that it isn't secure. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 3:29 PM, Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org mailto:p...@paulstewart.org wrote: Do the CPE radios support it? But for infrastructure stuff why not install your own certs? From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 3:20 PM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Let's Encrypt Oh what if we can batch it for thousands of CPE radios? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jul 21, 2015 3:13 PM, Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org mailto:p...@paulstewart.org wrote: Hopefully it “plays nice” with all browsers.. there’s been a couple of other free SSL providers come along but they had significant problems with certain browsers. Honestly for the price of a “cheap” SSL cert anymore I’m not sure this is huge news – but it definitely will hopefully foster further SSL adoption .. :) From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 2:52 PM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Let's Encrypt Whoa that's going to be a huge! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 1:26 PM, Simon Westlake simon.westl...@digitalgunfire.com mailto:simon.westl...@digitalgunfire.com wrote: Yeah, it's a pretty cool concept. Should essentially let you generate (for free) browser trusted certs. I've been waiting for it to come out for a while. Right now I mostly use Comodo because it's cheap, but this should end up being pretty much comparable for $0. On 7/20/2015 9:37 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: Coming September. Anyone know more about it? Free certs sounds good. https://letsencrypt.org/
Re: [AFMUG] Let's Encrypt
Also https://www.ssls.com/ On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 2:49 PM, Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org wrote: $9/yr … namecheap.com – they sell Comodo certs…. https://www.namecheap.com/security/ssl-certificates.aspx *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman *Sent:* Tuesday, July 21, 2015 3:32 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Let's Encrypt $8/year? How? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 3:28 PM, Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org wrote: People who want increased Pagerank and better security possibly …. I think my SSL certs are costing $8/yr approx. *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman *Sent:* Tuesday, July 21, 2015 3:20 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Let's Encrypt Companies and such can do 50 a year. For a person on their personal website who wants to spend the money for no reason? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jul 21, 2015 3:13 PM, Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org wrote: Hopefully it “plays nice” with all browsers.. there’s been a couple of other free SSL providers come along but they had significant problems with certain browsers. Honestly for the price of a “cheap” SSL cert anymore I’m not sure this is huge news – but it definitely will hopefully foster further SSL adoption .. J *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman *Sent:* Tuesday, July 21, 2015 2:52 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Let's Encrypt Whoa that's going to be a huge! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 1:26 PM, Simon Westlake simon.westl...@digitalgunfire.com wrote: Yeah, it's a pretty cool concept. Should essentially let you generate (for free) browser trusted certs. I've been waiting for it to come out for a while. Right now I mostly use Comodo because it's cheap, but this should end up being pretty much comparable for $0. On 7/20/2015 9:37 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: Coming September. Anyone know more about it? Free certs sounds good. https://letsencrypt.org/
Re: [AFMUG] ePMP force 110 gps sync
Thanks for the link :D Josh Heide Network Engineer Velociter Wireless, Inc. (209)838-1221 x108 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 11:58 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP force 110 gps sync http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/ePMP-1000/Force110-ptp-success-story/m-p/38263 If you have experience with NanoBeams and are looking to improve the link, absolutely read this story. The antennas are definitely a bit better but the radios are probably always going to be at least somewhat subjective - my experience on this link should help you decide on that. Note: The force110 ptp radios/GPS stuff isn't really relevant to the link itself. The sync only fixes self-interference. You could just as easily use the $100 force110 radios with the same results. I used ptp radios there for the extra metal shielding which is probably irrelevant, but I didn't want to climb again in the middle of the winter to save pennies. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 2:30 PM, Joshua Heide j...@velociter.netmailto:j...@velociter.net wrote: No I did not do you got a link Josh Heide Network Engineer Velociter Wireless, Inc. (209)838-1221 x108tel:%28209%29838-1221%20x108 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.commailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 11:15 AM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP force 110 gps sync 220 would be perfect. I've had nothing but great RF performance. Did you see my story about going from Beams to force110? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jul 21, 2015 1:51 PM, Joshua Heide j...@velociter.netmailto:j...@velociter.net wrote: Looking into these units. Wondering what kind of throughput people are getting with these. Are you getting the 220mbps real world throughput that they claim? Josh Heide Network Engineer Velociter Wireless, Inc. (209)838-1221 x108tel:%28209%29838-1221%20x108
Re: [AFMUG] ePMP force 110 gps sync
ePMP doesn't do 10 MHz channels unless it's TDD, just a heads up. I think they are planning to do 10 Mhz wifi mode so you can replace devices on live links, but that's not coming for some time and doesn't mean that it will or will not play nice with Ubnt/MT. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 3:07 PM, Rory Conaway r...@triadwireless.net wrote: I’ve got links at 2.7 miles doing that with 40MHz channels and that’s with 50/50 rates with the B5’s and running 2 radios on the same pole, in and out. If I change it to 75/25, it’s even faster. This link is shooting to a rooftop with about 11 other Ubiquiti radios, sectors and PTP’s. I didn’t check the planetary positions. I’ve got some Cambiums I’ll also be testing today to find a lower cost backhaul that supports DFS and 10MHz channels. Rory *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof *Sent:* Tuesday, July 21, 2015 11:31 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP force 110 gps sync The answer you are looking for is 802.11ac? Anyway, I guess I’m mistaken and 220M may be the right number for 256QAM in 40 MHz. Assuming the planets align and every sub is at max modulation with no retries. *From:* Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *Sent:* Tuesday, July 21, 2015 1:23 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP force 110 gps sync And Mimosa is... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jul 21, 2015 2:19 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: Really, 220 Mbps in a 40 MHz channel? That’s a bunch for something based on an 802.11n PHY. I think the regular Force 110 spec sheet says 150M, does the GPS sync version really say 220M? I’m not disputing it, just surprised/amazed. *From:* Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *Sent:* Tuesday, July 21, 2015 1:15 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP force 110 gps sync 220 would be perfect. I've had nothing but great RF performance. Did you see my story about going from Beams to force110? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jul 21, 2015 1:51 PM, Joshua Heide j...@velociter.net wrote: Looking into these units. Wondering what kind of throughput people are getting with these. Are you getting the 220mbps real world throughput that they claim? Josh Heide Network Engineer Velociter Wireless, Inc. (209)838-1221 x108
Re: [AFMUG] Let's Encrypt
Companies and such can do 50 a year. For a person on their personal website who wants to spend the money for no reason? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jul 21, 2015 3:13 PM, Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org wrote: Hopefully it “plays nice” with all browsers.. there’s been a couple of other free SSL providers come along but they had significant problems with certain browsers. Honestly for the price of a “cheap” SSL cert anymore I’m not sure this is huge news – but it definitely will hopefully foster further SSL adoption .. J *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman *Sent:* Tuesday, July 21, 2015 2:52 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Let's Encrypt Whoa that's going to be a huge! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 1:26 PM, Simon Westlake simon.westl...@digitalgunfire.com wrote: Yeah, it's a pretty cool concept. Should essentially let you generate (for free) browser trusted certs. I've been waiting for it to come out for a while. Right now I mostly use Comodo because it's cheap, but this should end up being pretty much comparable for $0. On 7/20/2015 9:37 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: Coming September. Anyone know more about it? Free certs sounds good. https://letsencrypt.org/
Re: [AFMUG] Let's Encrypt
Oh what if we can batch it for thousands of CPE radios? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jul 21, 2015 3:13 PM, Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org wrote: Hopefully it “plays nice” with all browsers.. there’s been a couple of other free SSL providers come along but they had significant problems with certain browsers. Honestly for the price of a “cheap” SSL cert anymore I’m not sure this is huge news – but it definitely will hopefully foster further SSL adoption .. J *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman *Sent:* Tuesday, July 21, 2015 2:52 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Let's Encrypt Whoa that's going to be a huge! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 1:26 PM, Simon Westlake simon.westl...@digitalgunfire.com wrote: Yeah, it's a pretty cool concept. Should essentially let you generate (for free) browser trusted certs. I've been waiting for it to come out for a while. Right now I mostly use Comodo because it's cheap, but this should end up being pretty much comparable for $0. On 7/20/2015 9:37 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: Coming September. Anyone know more about it? Free certs sounds good. https://letsencrypt.org/
Re: [AFMUG] Let's Encrypt
Do the CPE radios support it? But for infrastructure stuff why not install your own certs? From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 3:20 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Let's Encrypt Oh what if we can batch it for thousands of CPE radios? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jul 21, 2015 3:13 PM, Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org mailto:p...@paulstewart.org wrote: Hopefully it “plays nice” with all browsers.. there’s been a couple of other free SSL providers come along but they had significant problems with certain browsers. Honestly for the price of a “cheap” SSL cert anymore I’m not sure this is huge news – but it definitely will hopefully foster further SSL adoption .. :) From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 2:52 PM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Let's Encrypt Whoa that's going to be a huge! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 1:26 PM, Simon Westlake simon.westl...@digitalgunfire.com mailto:simon.westl...@digitalgunfire.com wrote: Yeah, it's a pretty cool concept. Should essentially let you generate (for free) browser trusted certs. I've been waiting for it to come out for a while. Right now I mostly use Comodo because it's cheap, but this should end up being pretty much comparable for $0. On 7/20/2015 9:37 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: Coming September. Anyone know more about it? Free certs sounds good. https://letsencrypt.org/
Re: [AFMUG] ePMP force 110 gps sync
And Mimosa is... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jul 21, 2015 2:19 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: Really, 220 Mbps in a 40 MHz channel? That’s a bunch for something based on an 802.11n PHY. I think the regular Force 110 spec sheet says 150M, does the GPS sync version really say 220M? I’m not disputing it, just surprised/amazed. *From:* Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *Sent:* Tuesday, July 21, 2015 1:15 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP force 110 gps sync 220 would be perfect. I've had nothing but great RF performance. Did you see my story about going from Beams to force110? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jul 21, 2015 1:51 PM, Joshua Heide j...@velociter.net wrote: Looking into these units. Wondering what kind of throughput people are getting with these. Are you getting the 220mbps real world throughput that they claim? Josh Heide Network Engineer Velociter Wireless, Inc. (209)838-1221 x108
Re: [AFMUG] Let's Encrypt
People who want increased Pagerank and better security possibly …. I think my SSL certs are costing $8/yr approx. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 3:20 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Let's Encrypt Companies and such can do 50 a year. For a person on their personal website who wants to spend the money for no reason? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jul 21, 2015 3:13 PM, Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org mailto:p...@paulstewart.org wrote: Hopefully it “plays nice” with all browsers.. there’s been a couple of other free SSL providers come along but they had significant problems with certain browsers. Honestly for the price of a “cheap” SSL cert anymore I’m not sure this is huge news – but it definitely will hopefully foster further SSL adoption .. :) From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 2:52 PM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Let's Encrypt Whoa that's going to be a huge! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 1:26 PM, Simon Westlake simon.westl...@digitalgunfire.com mailto:simon.westl...@digitalgunfire.com wrote: Yeah, it's a pretty cool concept. Should essentially let you generate (for free) browser trusted certs. I've been waiting for it to come out for a while. Right now I mostly use Comodo because it's cheap, but this should end up being pretty much comparable for $0. On 7/20/2015 9:37 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: Coming September. Anyone know more about it? Free certs sounds good. https://letsencrypt.org/
Re: [AFMUG] single story - 5000 square feet house UniFi or Xclaim (Ruckus)
Single story house in each case (two different houses) - mostly living space in the under roof sq. ft From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul Stewart Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 3:50 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] single story - 5000 square feet house UniFi or Xclaim (Ruckus) Sq ft of living space or sq ft of each level? :) From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 3:46 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] single story - 5000 square feet house UniFi or Xclaim (Ruckus) We haven't done a lot of internal Wifi, usually just adding a second or third Mikrotik to the house to get Wifi. We have two houses, one with 5K sq. ft. and another with 12K sq. ft. Both are looking for complete WiFi coverage. So, am looking for some input on Performance, Management and Price on the XClaim product vs. UniFi Paul Paul McCall, Pres. PDMNet / Florida Broadband 658 Old Dixie Highway Vero Beach, FL 32962 772-564-6800 office 772-473-0352 cell www.pdmnet.comhttp://www.pdmnet.com/ pa...@pdmnet.netmailto:pa...@pdmnet.net
Re: [AFMUG] ePMP force 110 gps sync
Yup http://www.epmpwireless.com/pdf/Force_110_PTP.pdf Josh Heide Network Engineer Velociter Wireless, Inc. (209)838-1221 x108 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 11:19 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP force 110 gps sync Really, 220 Mbps in a 40 MHz channel? That’s a bunch for something based on an 802.11n PHY. I think the regular Force 110 spec sheet says 150M, does the GPS sync version really say 220M? I’m not disputing it, just surprised/amazed. From: Josh Luthmanmailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 1:15 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP force 110 gps sync 220 would be perfect. I've had nothing but great RF performance. Did you see my story about going from Beams to force110? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jul 21, 2015 1:51 PM, Joshua Heide j...@velociter.netmailto:j...@velociter.net wrote: Looking into these units. Wondering what kind of throughput people are getting with these. Are you getting the 220mbps real world throughput that they claim? Josh Heide Network Engineer Velociter Wireless, Inc. (209)838-1221 x108tel:%28209%29838-1221%20x108
Re: [AFMUG] ePMP force 110 gps sync
I’ve got links at 2.7 miles doing that with 40MHz channels and that’s with 50/50 rates with the B5’s and running 2 radios on the same pole, in and out. If I change it to 75/25, it’s even faster. This link is shooting to a rooftop with about 11 other Ubiquiti radios, sectors and PTP’s. I didn’t check the planetary positions. I’ve got some Cambiums I’ll also be testing today to find a lower cost backhaul that supports DFS and 10MHz channels. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 11:31 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP force 110 gps sync The answer you are looking for is 802.11ac? Anyway, I guess I’m mistaken and 220M may be the right number for 256QAM in 40 MHz. Assuming the planets align and every sub is at max modulation with no retries. From: Josh Luthmanmailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 1:23 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP force 110 gps sync And Mimosa is... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jul 21, 2015 2:19 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.commailto:af...@kwisp.com wrote: Really, 220 Mbps in a 40 MHz channel? That’s a bunch for something based on an 802.11n PHY. I think the regular Force 110 spec sheet says 150M, does the GPS sync version really say 220M? I’m not disputing it, just surprised/amazed. From: Josh Luthmanmailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 1:15 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP force 110 gps sync 220 would be perfect. I've had nothing but great RF performance. Did you see my story about going from Beams to force110? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jul 21, 2015 1:51 PM, Joshua Heide j...@velociter.netmailto:j...@velociter.net wrote: Looking into these units. Wondering what kind of throughput people are getting with these. Are you getting the 220mbps real world throughput that they claim? Josh Heide Network Engineer Velociter Wireless, Inc. (209)838-1221 x108tel:%28209%29838-1221%20x108
Re: [AFMUG] ePMP force 110 gps sync
http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/ePMP-1000/Force110-ptp-success-story/m-p/38263 If you have experience with NanoBeams and are looking to improve the link, absolutely read this story. The antennas are definitely a bit better but the radios are probably always going to be at least somewhat subjective - my experience on this link should help you decide on that. Note: The force110 ptp radios/GPS stuff isn't really relevant to the link itself. The sync only fixes self-interference. You could just as easily use the $100 force110 radios with the same results. I used ptp radios there for the extra metal shielding which is probably irrelevant, but I didn't want to climb again in the middle of the winter to save pennies. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 2:30 PM, Joshua Heide j...@velociter.net wrote: No I did not do you got a link Josh Heide Network Engineer Velociter Wireless, Inc. (209)838-1221 x108 *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman *Sent:* Tuesday, July 21, 2015 11:15 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP force 110 gps sync 220 would be perfect. I've had nothing but great RF performance. Did you see my story about going from Beams to force110? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jul 21, 2015 1:51 PM, Joshua Heide j...@velociter.net wrote: Looking into these units. Wondering what kind of throughput people are getting with these. Are you getting the 220mbps real world throughput that they claim? Josh Heide Network Engineer Velociter Wireless, Inc. (209)838-1221 x108
Re: [AFMUG] Let's Encrypt
Hopefully it “plays nice” with all browsers.. there’s been a couple of other free SSL providers come along but they had significant problems with certain browsers. Honestly for the price of a “cheap” SSL cert anymore I’m not sure this is huge news – but it definitely will hopefully foster further SSL adoption .. :) From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 2:52 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Let's Encrypt Whoa that's going to be a huge! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 1:26 PM, Simon Westlake simon.westl...@digitalgunfire.com mailto:simon.westl...@digitalgunfire.com wrote: Yeah, it's a pretty cool concept. Should essentially let you generate (for free) browser trusted certs. I've been waiting for it to come out for a while. Right now I mostly use Comodo because it's cheap, but this should end up being pretty much comparable for $0. On 7/20/2015 9:37 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: Coming September. Anyone know more about it? Free certs sounds good. https://letsencrypt.org/
[AFMUG] single story - 5000 square feet house UniFi or Xclaim (Ruckus)
We haven't done a lot of internal Wifi, usually just adding a second or third Mikrotik to the house to get Wifi. We have two houses, one with 5K sq. ft. and another with 12K sq. ft. Both are looking for complete WiFi coverage. So, am looking for some input on Performance, Management and Price on the XClaim product vs. UniFi Paul Paul McCall, Pres. PDMNet / Florida Broadband 658 Old Dixie Highway Vero Beach, FL 32962 772-564-6800 office 772-473-0352 cell www.pdmnet.comhttp://www.pdmnet.com/ pa...@pdmnet.netmailto:pa...@pdmnet.net
Re: [AFMUG] Let's Encrypt
$9/yr … namecheap.com – they sell Comodo certs…. https://www.namecheap.com/security/ssl-certificates.aspx From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 3:32 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Let's Encrypt $8/year? How? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 3:28 PM, Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org mailto:p...@paulstewart.org wrote: People who want increased Pagerank and better security possibly …. I think my SSL certs are costing $8/yr approx. From: Af [mailto: mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 3:20 PM To: mailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Let's Encrypt Companies and such can do 50 a year. For a person on their personal website who wants to spend the money for no reason? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jul 21, 2015 3:13 PM, Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org mailto:p...@paulstewart.org wrote: Hopefully it “plays nice” with all browsers.. there’s been a couple of other free SSL providers come along but they had significant problems with certain browsers. Honestly for the price of a “cheap” SSL cert anymore I’m not sure this is huge news – but it definitely will hopefully foster further SSL adoption .. :) From: Af [mailto: mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 2:52 PM To: mailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Let's Encrypt Whoa that's going to be a huge! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 1:26 PM, Simon Westlake simon.westl...@digitalgunfire.com mailto:simon.westl...@digitalgunfire.com wrote: Yeah, it's a pretty cool concept. Should essentially let you generate (for free) browser trusted certs. I've been waiting for it to come out for a while. Right now I mostly use Comodo because it's cheap, but this should end up being pretty much comparable for $0. On 7/20/2015 9:37 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: Coming September. Anyone know more about it? Free certs sounds good. https://letsencrypt.org/
[AFMUG] ISP Radio Wednesday -- 2.5 GHz Spectrum Auctions
http://www.ispradio.com/Steve and Dennis will talk with Robert Finch of Select Spectrum about the upcoming 2.5 GHz Spectrum Auctions! See how you can use licensed frequencies in your area for point to multi-point solutions! Wednesday 11am CST ! http://www.ispradio.com Don't forgot you can download the previous episodes to put on your media player and listen while in your car free of charge by going to www.ispradio.comhttp://www.ispradio.com Remember to sign into the live chat to ask questions!You can find our Podcast on I-Tunes ! ** View Upcoming shows at www.ispradio.comhttp://www.ispradio.com Dennis Burgess, Co-Host of ISP Radio! http://www.ispradio.com
Re: [AFMUG] ePMP force 110 gps sync
ePMP is 64QAM. 256 would be nice, but there's always the PTP450 for that, which of course is limited to 20MHz though. I have a 10 mile ePMP link on 2' dishes running in the 5.1 band. 20MHz channel. I get 98Mbps aggregate. I see no reason why a 40MHz channel couldn't do 200Mbps, maybe a little more. On 7/21/2015 1:31 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: The answer you are looking for is 802.11ac? Anyway, I guess I’m mistaken and 220M may be the right number for 256QAM in 40 MHz. Assuming the planets align and every sub is at max modulation with no retries. *From:* Josh Luthman mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *Sent:* Tuesday, July 21, 2015 1:23 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP force 110 gps sync And Mimosa is... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jul 21, 2015 2:19 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com mailto:af...@kwisp.com wrote: Really, 220 Mbps in a 40 MHz channel? That’s a bunch for something based on an 802.11n PHY. I think the regular Force 110 spec sheet says 150M, does the GPS sync version really say 220M? I’m not disputing it, just surprised/amazed. *From:* Josh Luthman mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *Sent:* Tuesday, July 21, 2015 1:15 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP force 110 gps sync 220 would be perfect. I've had nothing but great RF performance. Did you see my story about going from Beams to force110? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jul 21, 2015 1:51 PM, Joshua Heide j...@velociter.net mailto:j...@velociter.net wrote: Looking into these units. Wondering what kind of throughput people are getting with these. Are you getting the 220mbps real world throughput that they claim? Josh Heide Network Engineer Velociter Wireless, Inc. (209)838-1221 x108 tel:%28209%29838-1221%20x108
Re: [AFMUG] ePMP force 110 gps sync
The best I've seen them do on a real link is around 110Mbps one direction testing between two Mikrotik routers... 220 aggregate may very well be possible in perfect conditions. On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 1:19 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: Really, 220 Mbps in a 40 MHz channel? That’s a bunch for something based on an 802.11n PHY. I think the regular Force 110 spec sheet says 150M, does the GPS sync version really say 220M? I’m not disputing it, just surprised/amazed. *From:* Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *Sent:* Tuesday, July 21, 2015 1:15 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP force 110 gps sync 220 would be perfect. I've had nothing but great RF performance. Did you see my story about going from Beams to force110? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jul 21, 2015 1:51 PM, Joshua Heide j...@velociter.net wrote: Looking into these units. Wondering what kind of throughput people are getting with these. Are you getting the 220mbps real world throughput that they claim? Josh Heide Network Engineer Velociter Wireless, Inc. (209)838-1221 x108
Re: [AFMUG] Let's Encrypt
My Chrome on two machines at home, two machines at the office, one RDP machine plus my phone. That's 6 devices for just me. I'm suggesting a simpler solution, not a real PITA one!!! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 3:47 PM, Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org wrote: For CPE, you can install it in your browser to confirm it’s secure … won’t prompt you again. We run many different internal systems that have private SSL certs that are installed in our browsers … works well …. *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman *Sent:* Tuesday, July 21, 2015 3:32 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Let's Encrypt Self signed certs would still have Chrome/Firefox complain that it isn't secure. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 3:29 PM, Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org wrote: Do the CPE radios support it? But for infrastructure stuff why not install your own certs? *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman *Sent:* Tuesday, July 21, 2015 3:20 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Let's Encrypt Oh what if we can batch it for thousands of CPE radios? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jul 21, 2015 3:13 PM, Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org wrote: Hopefully it “plays nice” with all browsers.. there’s been a couple of other free SSL providers come along but they had significant problems with certain browsers. Honestly for the price of a “cheap” SSL cert anymore I’m not sure this is huge news – but it definitely will hopefully foster further SSL adoption .. J *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman *Sent:* Tuesday, July 21, 2015 2:52 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Let's Encrypt Whoa that's going to be a huge! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 1:26 PM, Simon Westlake simon.westl...@digitalgunfire.com wrote: Yeah, it's a pretty cool concept. Should essentially let you generate (for free) browser trusted certs. I've been waiting for it to come out for a while. Right now I mostly use Comodo because it's cheap, but this should end up being pretty much comparable for $0. On 7/20/2015 9:37 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: Coming September. Anyone know more about it? Free certs sounds good. https://letsencrypt.org/
Re: [AFMUG] Let's Encrypt
OMG I just peed a little. That's cheap! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 3:49 PM, Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org wrote: $9/yr … namecheap.com – they sell Comodo certs…. https://www.namecheap.com/security/ssl-certificates.aspx *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman *Sent:* Tuesday, July 21, 2015 3:32 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Let's Encrypt $8/year? How? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 3:28 PM, Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org wrote: People who want increased Pagerank and better security possibly …. I think my SSL certs are costing $8/yr approx. *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman *Sent:* Tuesday, July 21, 2015 3:20 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Let's Encrypt Companies and such can do 50 a year. For a person on their personal website who wants to spend the money for no reason? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jul 21, 2015 3:13 PM, Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org wrote: Hopefully it “plays nice” with all browsers.. there’s been a couple of other free SSL providers come along but they had significant problems with certain browsers. Honestly for the price of a “cheap” SSL cert anymore I’m not sure this is huge news – but it definitely will hopefully foster further SSL adoption .. J *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman *Sent:* Tuesday, July 21, 2015 2:52 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Let's Encrypt Whoa that's going to be a huge! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 1:26 PM, Simon Westlake simon.westl...@digitalgunfire.com wrote: Yeah, it's a pretty cool concept. Should essentially let you generate (for free) browser trusted certs. I've been waiting for it to come out for a while. Right now I mostly use Comodo because it's cheap, but this should end up being pretty much comparable for $0. On 7/20/2015 9:37 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: Coming September. Anyone know more about it? Free certs sounds good. https://letsencrypt.org/
Re: [AFMUG] Let's Encrypt
You can also do free ssl from startssl.com -Original Message- From: Cameron Crum cc...@wispmon.com To: af@afmug.com Date: 07/21/15 04:03 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Let's Encrypt Also https://www.ssls.com/ On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 2:49 PM, Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org wrote: $9/yr … namecheap.com - they sell Comodo certs…. https://www.namecheap.com/security/ssl-certificates.aspx From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 3:32 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Let's Encrypt $8/year? How? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 3:28 PM, Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org wrote: People who want increased Pagerank and better security possibly …. I think my SSL certs are costing $8/yr approx. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 3:20 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Let's Encrypt Companies and such can do 50 a year. For a person on their personal website who wants to spend the money for no reason? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jul 21, 2015 3:13 PM, Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org wrote: Hopefully it plays nice with all browsers.. there's been a couple of other free SSL providers come along but they had significant problems with certain browsers. Honestly for the price of a cheap SSL cert anymore I'm not sure this is huge news - but it definitely will hopefully foster further SSL adoption .. J From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 2:52 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Let's Encrypt Whoa that's going to be a huge! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 1:26 PM, Simon Westlake simon.westl...@digitalgunfire.com wrote: Yeah, it's a pretty cool concept. Should essentially let you generate (for free) browser trusted certs. I've been waiting for it to come out for a while. Right now I mostly use Comodo because it's cheap, but this should end up being pretty much comparable for $0. On 7/20/2015 9:37 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: Coming September. Anyone know more about it? Free certs sounds good. https://letsencrypt.org/
Re: [AFMUG] Let's Encrypt
Yeah.. used it before and wasn’t great .. but that’s quite some time ago and I think they’ve gotten much better adoption (compatibility with new browsers). One minor thing I remember with them – their mailserver doesn’t retry to send so if you run greylisting or anything of that nature you’ll never get the confirmation message :) From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Tim Reichhart Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 4:09 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Let's Encrypt You can also do free ssl from startssl.com _ -Original Message- From: Cameron Crum cc...@wispmon.com mailto:cc...@wispmon.com To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Date: 07/21/15 04:03 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Let's Encrypt Also https://www.ssls.com/ On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 2:49 PM, Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org mailto:p...@paulstewart.org wrote: $9/yr … namecheap.com http://namecheap.com - they sell Comodo certs…. https://www.namecheap.com/security/ssl-certificates.aspx From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 3:32 PM To: af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Let's Encrypt $8/year? How? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 http://tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 http://tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 3:28 PM, Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org mailto:p...@paulstewart.org wrote: People who want increased Pagerank and better security possibly …. I think my SSL certs are costing $8/yr approx. From: Af [mailto: mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 3:20 PM To: mailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Let's Encrypt Companies and such can do 50 a year. For a person on their personal website who wants to spend the money for no reason? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 http://tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 http://tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jul 21, 2015 3:13 PM, Paul Stewart p...@paulstewart.org mailto:p...@paulstewart.org wrote: Hopefully it plays nice with all browsers.. there's been a couple of other free SSL providers come along but they had significant problems with certain browsers. Honestly for the price of a cheap SSL cert anymore I'm not sure this is huge news - but it definitely will hopefully foster further SSL adoption .. :) From: Af [mailto: mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 2:52 PM To: mailto:af@afmug.com af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Let's Encrypt Whoa that's going to be a huge! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 http://tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 http://tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 1:26 PM, Simon Westlake simon.westl...@digitalgunfire.com mailto:simon.westl...@digitalgunfire.com wrote: Yeah, it's a pretty cool concept. Should essentially let you generate (for free) browser trusted certs. I've been waiting for it to come out for a while. Right now I mostly use Comodo because it's cheap, but this should end up being pretty much comparable for $0. On 7/20/2015 9:37 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: Coming September. Anyone know more about it? Free certs sounds good. https://letsencrypt.org/
Re: [AFMUG] single story - 5000 square feet house UniFi or Xclaim (Ruckus)
I went with the UAP-AC for my own house, wanting higher performance and man was I disappointed in range and performance. A quick google search showed that I wasn't alone also. 5ghz range is about 20 or 30ft max 2.4 is 30-40ft max (compared to my old power apn where I could be 1000ft down the street and still have signal) speeds max out at 40mbps even though it has a 800mbps air rate. Use something besides unifi On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 12:52 PM, Paul McCall pa...@pdmnet.net wrote: Single story house in each case (two different houses) – mostly living space in the under roof sq. ft *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Paul Stewart *Sent:* Tuesday, July 21, 2015 3:50 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] single story - 5000 square feet house UniFi or Xclaim (Ruckus) Sq ft of living space or sq ft of each level? J *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Paul McCall *Sent:* Tuesday, July 21, 2015 3:46 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] single story - 5000 square feet house UniFi or Xclaim (Ruckus) We haven’t done a lot of internal Wifi, usually just adding a second or third Mikrotik to the house to get Wifi. We have two houses, one with 5K sq. ft. and another with 12K sq. ft. Both are looking for complete WiFi coverage. So, am looking for some input on Performance, Management and Price on the XClaim product vs. UniFi Paul Paul McCall, Pres. PDMNet / Florida Broadband 658 Old Dixie Highway Vero Beach, FL 32962 772-564-6800 office 772-473-0352 cell www.pdmnet.com pa...@pdmnet.net
Re: [AFMUG] ePMP force 110 gps sync
OK, ignore me, I seem to be having a bad math day. Also trying to grasp the concept of actually using a 40 MHz channel. But I was also remembering an ePMP data sheet with a 150 Mbps number. Probably because there are so many ePMP variants. I assume the lesser model is limited by CPU, not RF? From: George Skorup Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 5:02 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP force 110 gps sync ePMP is 64QAM. 256 would be nice, but there's always the PTP450 for that, which of course is limited to 20MHz though. I have a 10 mile ePMP link on 2' dishes running in the 5.1 band. 20MHz channel. I get 98Mbps aggregate. I see no reason why a 40MHz channel couldn't do 200Mbps, maybe a little more. On 7/21/2015 1:31 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: The answer you are looking for is 802.11ac? Anyway, I guess I’m mistaken and 220M may be the right number for 256QAM in 40 MHz. Assuming the planets align and every sub is at max modulation with no retries. From: Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 1:23 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP force 110 gps sync And Mimosa is... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jul 21, 2015 2:19 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: Really, 220 Mbps in a 40 MHz channel? That’s a bunch for something based on an 802.11n PHY. I think the regular Force 110 spec sheet says 150M, does the GPS sync version really say 220M? I’m not disputing it, just surprised/amazed. From: Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 1:15 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP force 110 gps sync 220 would be perfect. I've had nothing but great RF performance. Did you see my story about going from Beams to force110? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jul 21, 2015 1:51 PM, Joshua Heide j...@velociter.net wrote: Looking into these units. Wondering what kind of throughput people are getting with these. Are you getting the 220mbps real world throughput that they claim? Josh Heide Network Engineer Velociter Wireless, Inc. (209)838-1221 x108
Re: [AFMUG] ePMP force 110 gps sync
I thought that I had been told both ePMP radios had the same CPU, but somebody said that the GPS radios are supposed to be able to handle more PPS, so I'm not sure... I'm pretty sure they do have more RAM, so that may make the difference. But there are really only two variants - GPS and non-GPS. The PTP 110 is exactly the same hardware as the other GPS radio, it's just limited to 10 SMs. On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 5:12 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: OK, ignore me, I seem to be having a bad math day. Also trying to grasp the concept of actually using a 40 MHz channel. But I was also remembering an ePMP data sheet with a 150 Mbps number. Probably because there are so many ePMP variants. I assume the lesser model is limited by CPU, not RF? *From:* George Skorup geo...@cbcast.com *Sent:* Tuesday, July 21, 2015 5:02 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP force 110 gps sync ePMP is 64QAM. 256 would be nice, but there's always the PTP450 for that, which of course is limited to 20MHz though. I have a 10 mile ePMP link on 2' dishes running in the 5.1 band. 20MHz channel. I get 98Mbps aggregate. I see no reason why a 40MHz channel couldn't do 200Mbps, maybe a little more. On 7/21/2015 1:31 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: The answer you are looking for is 802.11ac? Anyway, I guess I’m mistaken and 220M may be the right number for 256QAM in 40 MHz. Assuming the planets align and every sub is at max modulation with no retries. *From:* Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *Sent:* Tuesday, July 21, 2015 1:23 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP force 110 gps sync And Mimosa is... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jul 21, 2015 2:19 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: Really, 220 Mbps in a 40 MHz channel? That’s a bunch for something based on an 802.11n PHY. I think the regular Force 110 spec sheet says 150M, does the GPS sync version really say 220M? I’m not disputing it, just surprised/amazed. *From:* Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *Sent:* Tuesday, July 21, 2015 1:15 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP force 110 gps sync 220 would be perfect. I've had nothing but great RF performance. Did you see my story about going from Beams to force110? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jul 21, 2015 1:51 PM, Joshua Heide j...@velociter.net j...@velociter.net wrote: Looking into these units. Wondering what kind of throughput people are getting with these. Are you getting the 220mbps real world throughput that they claim? Josh Heide Network Engineer Velociter Wireless, Inc. (209)838-1221 x108
Re: [AFMUG] single story - 5000 square feet house UniFi or Xclaim (Ruckus)
Interesting TG. Were you shooting through walls? Wood studs? Anything else that you might attribute it to? Did you try the regular, more established LR or Pro versions? I don’t need 100Mbit throughput … only used for Internet From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of TJ Trout Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 4:35 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] single story - 5000 square feet house UniFi or Xclaim (Ruckus) I went with the UAP-AC for my own house, wanting higher performance and man was I disappointed in range and performance. A quick google search showed that I wasn't alone also. 5ghz range is about 20 or 30ft max 2.4 is 30-40ft max (compared to my old power apn where I could be 1000ft down the street and still have signal) speeds max out at 40mbps even though it has a 800mbps air rate. Use something besides unifi On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 12:52 PM, Paul McCall pa...@pdmnet.netmailto:pa...@pdmnet.net wrote: Single story house in each case (two different houses) – mostly living space in the under roof sq. ft From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.commailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul Stewart Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 3:50 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] single story - 5000 square feet house UniFi or Xclaim (Ruckus) Sq ft of living space or sq ft of each level? ☺ From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 3:46 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] single story - 5000 square feet house UniFi or Xclaim (Ruckus) We haven’t done a lot of internal Wifi, usually just adding a second or third Mikrotik to the house to get Wifi. We have two houses, one with 5K sq. ft. and another with 12K sq. ft. Both are looking for complete WiFi coverage. So, am looking for some input on Performance, Management and Price on the XClaim product vs. UniFi Paul Paul McCall, Pres. PDMNet / Florida Broadband 658 Old Dixie Highway Vero Beach, FL 32962 772-564-6800tel:772-564-6800 office 772-473-0352tel:772-473-0352 cell www.pdmnet.comhttp://www.pdmnet.com/ pa...@pdmnet.netmailto:pa...@pdmnet.net
Re: [AFMUG] single story - 5000 square feet house UniFi or Xclaim (Ruckus)
Search google before you buy one, if one is a dud the chances are they might all be, done be an idiot like I am. On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 1:41 PM, Paul McCall pa...@pdmnet.net wrote: Interesting TG. Were you shooting through walls? Wood studs? Anything else that you might attribute it to? Did you try the regular, more established LR or Pro versions? I don’t need 100Mbit throughput … only used for Internet *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *TJ Trout *Sent:* Tuesday, July 21, 2015 4:35 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] single story - 5000 square feet house UniFi or Xclaim (Ruckus) I went with the UAP-AC for my own house, wanting higher performance and man was I disappointed in range and performance. A quick google search showed that I wasn't alone also. 5ghz range is about 20 or 30ft max 2.4 is 30-40ft max (compared to my old power apn where I could be 1000ft down the street and still have signal) speeds max out at 40mbps even though it has a 800mbps air rate. Use something besides unifi On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 12:52 PM, Paul McCall pa...@pdmnet.net wrote: Single story house in each case (two different houses) – mostly living space in the under roof sq. ft *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Paul Stewart *Sent:* Tuesday, July 21, 2015 3:50 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] single story - 5000 square feet house UniFi or Xclaim (Ruckus) Sq ft of living space or sq ft of each level? J *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Paul McCall *Sent:* Tuesday, July 21, 2015 3:46 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] single story - 5000 square feet house UniFi or Xclaim (Ruckus) We haven’t done a lot of internal Wifi, usually just adding a second or third Mikrotik to the house to get Wifi. We have two houses, one with 5K sq. ft. and another with 12K sq. ft. Both are looking for complete WiFi coverage. So, am looking for some input on Performance, Management and Price on the XClaim product vs. UniFi Paul Paul McCall, Pres. PDMNet / Florida Broadband 658 Old Dixie Highway Vero Beach, FL 32962 772-564-6800 office 772-473-0352 cell www.pdmnet.com pa...@pdmnet.net
[AFMUG] Epmp user throughput
I have deployed quite a bit of epmp, but most people are at my base package, 4x1 (using the radio qos to limit bw on different tiers). Of the handful of people that are on larger plans, 20x5 or 40x10, 2 of them, on different towers are complaining that they struggle to get over 10mb on a speed test. The radio rf link test performs at the assigned qos level, and I sent one of them a mikrotik to go between the poe and his router (qos 40x10), and udp/tcp tests to that are coming back as expected. However, I can be watching the router, and his interface plugged directly into a laptop only runs like 10x2 during a speedtest. Do both of these customers have something wonky with their laptops, or is there a setting in epmp I'm overlooking? Most of our epmp deployment has been FSK upgrades, so I haven't had much actual laptop time myself behind an epmp sm, as we just go on the roof and change radios. Nate
Re: [AFMUG] NED vs SRTM
Never had a problem with SRTM. -Original Message- From: Adam Moffett Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 4:18 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] NED vs SRTM If there's a 5 meter discrepancy between USGS National Elevation Data and the Shuttle Radar Topography Mission, who would you trust? Would you bet $500 on it? In this case, with NED I'll have LOS on a backhaul, and with SRTM I'm in the woods. I'm under the impression that SRTM sometimes gets you treetops rather than the ground. If I'm wrong I have alternate paths, but I'd have to pay for a new PCNso it really is a $500 bet. :)
Re: [AFMUG] NED vs SRTM
I think NED is pretty old data. You might look at the old DEMs in sdts format. Those were pretty accurate before srtm came along. You can download them from a few different sources, but you would have to know what to do with them or have software which could extract the data. ' Cameron On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 5:18 PM, Adam Moffett dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote: If there's a 5 meter discrepancy between USGS National Elevation Data and the Shuttle Radar Topography Mission, who would you trust? Would you bet $500 on it? In this case, with NED I'll have LOS on a backhaul, and with SRTM I'm in the woods. I'm under the impression that SRTM sometimes gets you treetops rather than the ground. If I'm wrong I have alternate paths, but I'd have to pay for a new PCNso it really is a $500 bet. :)
Re: [AFMUG] NED vs SRTM
How long is the link? Can you just climb and look with binoculars, or a hyperzoom camera? Does one end have a strobe you can look for? From: Cameron Crum Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 5:51 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] NED vs SRTM I think NED is pretty old data. You might look at the old DEMs in sdts format. Those were pretty accurate before srtm came along. You can download them from a few different sources, but you would have to know what to do with them or have software which could extract the data. ' Cameron On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 5:18 PM, Adam Moffett dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote: If there's a 5 meter discrepancy between USGS National Elevation Data and the Shuttle Radar Topography Mission, who would you trust? Would you bet $500 on it? In this case, with NED I'll have LOS on a backhaul, and with SRTM I'm in the woods. I'm under the impression that SRTM sometimes gets you treetops rather than the ground. If I'm wrong I have alternate paths, but I'd have to pay for a new PCNso it really is a $500 bet. :)
Re: [AFMUG] ePMP force 110 gps sync
Software limited to 10 SMs. You can (eventually, I don't think currently) get the software limit up with a key. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 6:16 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: I thought that I had been told both ePMP radios had the same CPU, but somebody said that the GPS radios are supposed to be able to handle more PPS, so I'm not sure... I'm pretty sure they do have more RAM, so that may make the difference. But there are really only two variants - GPS and non-GPS. The PTP 110 is exactly the same hardware as the other GPS radio, it's just limited to 10 SMs. On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 5:12 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: OK, ignore me, I seem to be having a bad math day. Also trying to grasp the concept of actually using a 40 MHz channel. But I was also remembering an ePMP data sheet with a 150 Mbps number. Probably because there are so many ePMP variants. I assume the lesser model is limited by CPU, not RF? *From:* George Skorup geo...@cbcast.com *Sent:* Tuesday, July 21, 2015 5:02 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP force 110 gps sync ePMP is 64QAM. 256 would be nice, but there's always the PTP450 for that, which of course is limited to 20MHz though. I have a 10 mile ePMP link on 2' dishes running in the 5.1 band. 20MHz channel. I get 98Mbps aggregate. I see no reason why a 40MHz channel couldn't do 200Mbps, maybe a little more. On 7/21/2015 1:31 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: The answer you are looking for is 802.11ac? Anyway, I guess I’m mistaken and 220M may be the right number for 256QAM in 40 MHz. Assuming the planets align and every sub is at max modulation with no retries. *From:* Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *Sent:* Tuesday, July 21, 2015 1:23 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP force 110 gps sync And Mimosa is... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jul 21, 2015 2:19 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: Really, 220 Mbps in a 40 MHz channel? That’s a bunch for something based on an 802.11n PHY. I think the regular Force 110 spec sheet says 150M, does the GPS sync version really say 220M? I’m not disputing it, just surprised/amazed. *From:* Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *Sent:* Tuesday, July 21, 2015 1:15 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP force 110 gps sync 220 would be perfect. I've had nothing but great RF performance. Did you see my story about going from Beams to force110? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jul 21, 2015 1:51 PM, Joshua Heide j...@velociter.net j...@velociter.net wrote: Looking into these units. Wondering what kind of throughput people are getting with these. Are you getting the 220mbps real world throughput that they claim? Josh Heide Network Engineer Velociter Wireless, Inc. (209)838-1221 x108
[AFMUG] NED vs SRTM
If there's a 5 meter discrepancy between USGS National Elevation Data and the Shuttle Radar Topography Mission, who would you trust? Would you bet $500 on it? In this case, with NED I'll have LOS on a backhaul, and with SRTM I'm in the woods. I'm under the impression that SRTM sometimes gets you treetops rather than the ground. If I'm wrong I have alternate paths, but I'd have to pay for a new PCNso it really is a $500 bet. :)
Re: [AFMUG] ePMP force 110 gps sync
Have they confirmed that you will be able to get a key? I assumed they would eventually, but I hadn't heard anything about it... that would be very good news. On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 5:19 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Software limited to 10 SMs. You can (eventually, I don't think currently) get the software limit up with a key. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 6:16 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: I thought that I had been told both ePMP radios had the same CPU, but somebody said that the GPS radios are supposed to be able to handle more PPS, so I'm not sure... I'm pretty sure they do have more RAM, so that may make the difference. But there are really only two variants - GPS and non-GPS. The PTP 110 is exactly the same hardware as the other GPS radio, it's just limited to 10 SMs. On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 5:12 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: OK, ignore me, I seem to be having a bad math day. Also trying to grasp the concept of actually using a 40 MHz channel. But I was also remembering an ePMP data sheet with a 150 Mbps number. Probably because there are so many ePMP variants. I assume the lesser model is limited by CPU, not RF? *From:* George Skorup geo...@cbcast.com *Sent:* Tuesday, July 21, 2015 5:02 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP force 110 gps sync ePMP is 64QAM. 256 would be nice, but there's always the PTP450 for that, which of course is limited to 20MHz though. I have a 10 mile ePMP link on 2' dishes running in the 5.1 band. 20MHz channel. I get 98Mbps aggregate. I see no reason why a 40MHz channel couldn't do 200Mbps, maybe a little more. On 7/21/2015 1:31 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: The answer you are looking for is 802.11ac? Anyway, I guess I’m mistaken and 220M may be the right number for 256QAM in 40 MHz. Assuming the planets align and every sub is at max modulation with no retries. *From:* Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *Sent:* Tuesday, July 21, 2015 1:23 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP force 110 gps sync And Mimosa is... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jul 21, 2015 2:19 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: Really, 220 Mbps in a 40 MHz channel? That’s a bunch for something based on an 802.11n PHY. I think the regular Force 110 spec sheet says 150M, does the GPS sync version really say 220M? I’m not disputing it, just surprised/amazed. *From:* Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *Sent:* Tuesday, July 21, 2015 1:15 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP force 110 gps sync 220 would be perfect. I've had nothing but great RF performance. Did you see my story about going from Beams to force110? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jul 21, 2015 1:51 PM, Joshua Heide j...@velociter.net j...@velociter.net wrote: Looking into these units. Wondering what kind of throughput people are getting with these. Are you getting the 220mbps real world throughput that they claim? Josh Heide Network Engineer Velociter Wireless, Inc. (209)838-1221 x108
Re: [AFMUG] ePMP force 110 gps sync
They've said they will. Don't know price. Probably a major rev down the road. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jul 21, 2015 6:21 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: Have they confirmed that you will be able to get a key? I assumed they would eventually, but I hadn't heard anything about it... that would be very good news. On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 5:19 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Software limited to 10 SMs. You can (eventually, I don't think currently) get the software limit up with a key. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 6:16 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: I thought that I had been told both ePMP radios had the same CPU, but somebody said that the GPS radios are supposed to be able to handle more PPS, so I'm not sure... I'm pretty sure they do have more RAM, so that may make the difference. But there are really only two variants - GPS and non-GPS. The PTP 110 is exactly the same hardware as the other GPS radio, it's just limited to 10 SMs. On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 5:12 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: OK, ignore me, I seem to be having a bad math day. Also trying to grasp the concept of actually using a 40 MHz channel. But I was also remembering an ePMP data sheet with a 150 Mbps number. Probably because there are so many ePMP variants. I assume the lesser model is limited by CPU, not RF? *From:* George Skorup geo...@cbcast.com *Sent:* Tuesday, July 21, 2015 5:02 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP force 110 gps sync ePMP is 64QAM. 256 would be nice, but there's always the PTP450 for that, which of course is limited to 20MHz though. I have a 10 mile ePMP link on 2' dishes running in the 5.1 band. 20MHz channel. I get 98Mbps aggregate. I see no reason why a 40MHz channel couldn't do 200Mbps, maybe a little more. On 7/21/2015 1:31 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: The answer you are looking for is 802.11ac? Anyway, I guess I’m mistaken and 220M may be the right number for 256QAM in 40 MHz. Assuming the planets align and every sub is at max modulation with no retries. *From:* Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *Sent:* Tuesday, July 21, 2015 1:23 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP force 110 gps sync And Mimosa is... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jul 21, 2015 2:19 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: Really, 220 Mbps in a 40 MHz channel? That’s a bunch for something based on an 802.11n PHY. I think the regular Force 110 spec sheet says 150M, does the GPS sync version really say 220M? I’m not disputing it, just surprised/amazed. *From:* Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *Sent:* Tuesday, July 21, 2015 1:15 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP force 110 gps sync 220 would be perfect. I've had nothing but great RF performance. Did you see my story about going from Beams to force110? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jul 21, 2015 1:51 PM, Joshua Heide j...@velociter.net j...@velociter.net wrote: Looking into these units. Wondering what kind of throughput people are getting with these. Are you getting the 220mbps real world throughput that they claim? Josh Heide Network Engineer Velociter Wireless, Inc. (209)838-1221 x108
Re: [AFMUG] ePMP force 110 gps sync
We've mostly been doing PTP and some small PtMP for camera networks with ePMP. We were using all UBNT for the camera stuff. So we started a new job that required an AP on a central site and 8 or 10 remote cameras spread across five remote sites. All within a mile, so low power 5.2/5.4 was the best option. Bought a bunch of the new UBNT beam things and found they only did 5.7. Ordered ePMP, because I'm not going to shit on 5.7 like everyone else does. The DVR sits behind a Force110 SM connected to the AP at the tower. Three of the remotes are also on SMs connected to the same AP and it has zero problems. Even our regular camera guys said the video feeds were never this smooth on any of the UBNT networks. Regular connectorized radio for the AP, not GPS. Nothing else special, just bridging and flexible framing. Probably pushing 30-40Mbps of video traffic. Methinks Cambium just knows how to do RF scheduling. On 7/21/2015 5:12 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: OK, ignore me, I seem to be having a bad math day. Also trying to grasp the concept of actually using a 40 MHz channel. But I was also remembering an ePMP data sheet with a 150 Mbps number. Probably because there are so many ePMP variants. I assume the lesser model is limited by CPU, not RF? *From:* George Skorup mailto:geo...@cbcast.com *Sent:* Tuesday, July 21, 2015 5:02 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP force 110 gps sync ePMP is 64QAM. 256 would be nice, but there's always the PTP450 for that, which of course is limited to 20MHz though. I have a 10 mile ePMP link on 2' dishes running in the 5.1 band. 20MHz channel. I get 98Mbps aggregate. I see no reason why a 40MHz channel couldn't do 200Mbps, maybe a little more. On 7/21/2015 1:31 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: The answer you are looking for is 802.11ac? Anyway, I guess I’m mistaken and 220M may be the right number for 256QAM in 40 MHz. Assuming the planets align and every sub is at max modulation with no retries. *From:* Josh Luthman mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *Sent:* Tuesday, July 21, 2015 1:23 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP force 110 gps sync And Mimosa is... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jul 21, 2015 2:19 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com mailto:af...@kwisp.com wrote: Really, 220 Mbps in a 40 MHz channel? That’s a bunch for something based on an 802.11n PHY. I think the regular Force 110 spec sheet says 150M, does the GPS sync version really say 220M? I’m not disputing it, just surprised/amazed. *From:* Josh Luthman mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *Sent:* Tuesday, July 21, 2015 1:15 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] ePMP force 110 gps sync 220 would be perfect. I've had nothing but great RF performance. Did you see my story about going from Beams to force110? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jul 21, 2015 1:51 PM, Joshua Heide j...@velociter.net wrote: Looking into these units. Wondering what kind of throughput people are getting with these. Are you getting the 220mbps real world throughput that they claim? Josh Heide Network Engineer Velociter Wireless, Inc. (209)838-1221 x108 tel:%28209%29838-1221%20x108
Re: [AFMUG] single story - 5000 square feet house UniFi or Xclaim (Ruckus)
We have a 2.4GHz Unifi AP-LR in our house, and it works very, very well.
Covers all of our 2800 SF house with ease.
Don't have any experience with trying to coordinate 1 AP with it
though. I suspect that the Ruckus would work better. Or maybe Meraki.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 7/21/2015 12:52 PM, Paul McCall wrote:
Single story house in each case (two different houses) � mostly living
space in the under roof sq. ft
*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Paul Stewart
*Sent:* Tuesday, July 21, 2015 3:50 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] single story - 5000 square feet house UniFi or
Xclaim (Ruckus)
Sq ft of living space or sq ft of each level? J
*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Paul McCall
*Sent:* Tuesday, July 21, 2015 3:46 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Subject:* [AFMUG] single story - 5000 square feet house UniFi or
Xclaim (Ruckus)
We haven�t done a lot of internal Wifi, usually just adding a second
or third Mikrotik to the house to get Wifi. We have two houses, one
with 5K sq. ft. and another with 12K sq. ft. Both are looking for
complete WiFi coverage.
So, am looking for some input on Performance, Management and Price on
the XClaim product vs. UniFi
Paul
Paul McCall, Pres.
PDMNet / Florida Broadband
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800 office
772-473-0352 cell
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Re: [AFMUG] 450 SM ADI communication failure
Ken Brian, Yes, ADI communication failure is a hardware issue and the board should be RMA'd. Reset due to error setting receive frequency is a known random issue. Some fixes have gone into release 13.4 to address this. However, if it happens every boot of the radio, it can be a hardware failure and should contact support. Charlie Galik Principle Staff Software Engineer Cambium Networks Community Forumhttp://community.cambiumnetworks.com/ From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Brian Sullivan Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 11:41 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450 SM ADI communication failure I believe this was a new-in-box unit we found during our pre-config process.� Sorry, I don't have more info on it. On 7/20/2015 11:27 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: This is an SM that has been in service for a couple months, I am troubleshooting it remotely.� It did eventually register, otherwise I could not see the log entries.� Now I see a new one: � 07/20/2015 : 15:31:46 UTC : :XO trim at min diff=-37 c=0 cmove=-1 f=0 fmove=113 07/20/2015 : 15:31:52 UTC : :XO trim at min diff=-1389 c=0 cmove=-9 f=8064 fmove=-39 07/20/2015 : 15:31:53 UTC : :XO trim at max diff=1394 c=58 cmove=9 f=0 fmove=44 07/20/2015 : 15:31:55 UTC : :XO trim at max diff=6133 c=63 cmove=41 f=8191 fmove=-17 07/20/2015 : 15:31:56 UTC : :XO trim at max diff=7178 c=63 cmove=48 f=8191 fmove=-22 07/20/2015 : 15:31:58 UTC : :XO trim at max diff=7178 c=63 cmove=48 f=8191 fmove=-22 07/20/2015 : 15:31:59 UTC : :XO trim at max diff=7177 c=63 cmove=48 f=8191 fmove=-23 07/20/2015 : 15:32:01 UTC : :XO trim at max diff=7176 c=63 cmove=48 f=8191 fmove=-24 07/20/2015 : 15:32:19 UTC : :XO trim at max diff=5242 c=63 cmove=35 f=8191 fmove=-8 07/20/2015 : 15:32:20 UTC : :XO trim at max diff=7216 c=63 cmove=49 f=8191 fmove=-134 07/20/2015 : 15:36:43 UTC : :XO did not trim after 200 attempts. FPGA TCXO/XO compare:04c497e2 (79992802) 07/20/2015 : 15:37:55 UTC : :Reset due to error setting receive frequency 5540 at temperature 46 C 07/20/2015 : 15:38:55 UTC : :Forced reset; 07/20/2015 : 15:38:55 UTC : � I had moved the AP from 5.7 to 5.4 as a troubleshooting step, I think that is unrelated to the problem, but this looks like a problem adjusting a VCXO to the AP frequency.� Did you see something like this on yours also, or just the ADI communication failure?� (I assume that refers to communication with an Analog Devices Inc. chip). � � From: Brian Sullivanmailto:installe...@foxvalley.net Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 11:18 AM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450 SM ADI communication failure � We currently have an RMA ticket open regarding this.� The note from our guys about it was, The unit I am looking at says 'ADI Communication failure' at the top of the status page. After factory resetting and configuring the unit, that error message is still there. So not familiar, but Cambium had no problem letting us RMA the unit. On 7/20/2015 11:05 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: Anyone familiar with this log entry?� I'm assuming I have an SM with a hardware problem?� We had heat advisory Saturday but mostly due to high humidity, I don't think the actual temperature got above 90. **System Startup** System Reset Exception -- Watchdog Reset Cur ExtInt 0 Max ExtInt 0 Cur DecInt 0 Max DecInt 0 Cur Sync 0 Max Sync 0 Cur LED 1 Max LED 1 Cur WDOG 0 Max WDOG 1 Cur EthXcvr 0 Max EthXcvr 1 Cur FEC 0 Max FEC 0 Cur FPGA 0 Max FPGA 0 Cur FrmLoc 0 Max FrmLoc 0 Cur WatchDog 33 Max WatchDog 33 RTMLogStats 0 AAState 0 Software Version : CANOPY 13.2 SM-DES Board Type : P11 Device Setting : 5.4/5.7GHz MIMO OFDM - Subscriber Module - 0a-00-3e-b2-03-92 FPGA Version : 081514 FPGA Features : DES, Sched; 07/20/2015 : 15:09:03 UTC : :ADI communication failure 07/20/2015 : 15:09:03 UTC : :InitADI936x() : Catalina register failures, ADI forced reset has been invoked! 07/20/2015 : 15:10:03 UTC : :Forced reset; 07/20/2015 : 15:10:03 UTC : **System Startup** System Reset Exception -- Watchdog Reset Cur ExtInt 0 Max ExtInt 0 Cur DecInt 0 Max DecInt 0 Cur Sync 0 Max Sync 0 Cur LED 1 Max LED 1 Cur WDOG 0 Max WDOG 1 Cur EthXcvr 0 Max EthXcvr 1 Cur FEC 0 Max FEC 0 Cur FPGA 0 Max FPGA 0 Cur FrmLoc 0 Max FrmLoc 0 Cur WatchDog 33 Max WatchDog 33 RTMLogStats 0 AAState 0 Software Version : CANOPY 13.2 SM-DES Board Type : P11 Device Setting : 5.4/5.7GHz MIMO OFDM - Subscriber Module - 0a-00-3e-b2-03-92 FPGA Version : 081514 FPGA Features : DES, Sched; 07/20/2015 : 15:13:43 UTC : :Time Set
