Re: [AFMUG] Weird cellular interference issue

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

this guy was running something in 800mhz the poe was interfering with, he
traced it to the poe, if i recall correctly he said it was emitting even
with the radio cable unplugged

On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 10:16 PM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> They don’t have a cellular extender do they?
> Can you take an offending WiMax to a location with a spectrum analyzer to
> see if it really may be radiating on that freq.
>
> Also, if there is a strong transmitter nearby, you can have
> intermodulation products being passively created in the WiMax.  Like TV, FM
> broadcast etc.
>
> Does the WiMax have an external antenna that can be disconnected to see if
> the problem goes away?
>
> Wrap the WiMax with foil and see if the problem goes away.
>
> If it is no interference generated with the same gear at one location but
> interference at another location, intermod seems likely.
> You can put ferrite on the CAT5, use shielded CAT5 and put loops in it to
> decouple the radio from anything in the house.
> Or just power the CPE with a battery up on the rooftop to see if it still
> noisy.  If so, then stop looking at sources in the house.
>
> Again, intermod, bad radio would be my two top picks.
>
> *From:* Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Monday, January 23, 2017 8:49 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Weird cellular interference issue
>
> Not shielded cable, but still a good idea.
>
> This person doesn't have HAM equipment, but I'm thinking something along
> the same lines.  Maybe a device in the house is inserting this signal on
> the neutral or ground wire of the A/C.  Maybe A/C ground is bonded to D/C
> ground in the PoE. Maybe D/C ground is bonded to a ground plane in the
> panel antenna.  Lots of maybes there.  Maybe I'm talking out of my hole.
>
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "George Skorup" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 1/23/2017 10:39:18 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Weird cellular interference issue
>
>
> Is it shielded cable? Sounds like the shield has become a radiator, aka
> antenna. Detune it by adding or removing some cable length?
>
> On 1/23/2017 9:32 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
>
> place the poe in a faraday cage, it will resolve it, we have a HAM guy
> that has something in 800mhz, same issue, suggested he do that, it resolved
> it, he didnt describe what cage he built
>
> On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 9:24 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
>> This is above my pay grade.
>>
>> One of our customers was contacted by AT, and the customer put them in
>> touch with us.  AT was tracking down a source of interference.  The
>> interference was on a 10mhz wide channel centered on 828mhz.  At their
>> tower, AT is seeing it 15-20db above the noise floor, so it's pretty
>> significant.
>>
>> Using their spectrum analyzer they tracked it down to our customer's
>> house.  The customer has a wimax CPE on their roof.  Unplugging the CPE
>> makes the interference go away, plugging it back in brings the interference
>> back.  Every time.  AT guy goes to another customer's house and
>> confirms that other CPE at different locations don't produce this
>> interference.
>>
>> We figure it's a malfunction in the CPE, so we replace it.  Interference
>> still present.
>> We replaced the PoE.  Interference still present.
>>
>> So we know the Wimax unit doesn't originate the 828mhz signal, but it's
>> somehow an accidental component of a system that does.
>>
>> WTF could be going on?
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>
>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Weird cellular interference issue

[Chuck McCown]

They don’t have a cellular extender do they?
Can you take an offending WiMax to a location with a spectrum analyzer to see 
if it really may be radiating on that freq.  

Also, if there is a strong transmitter nearby, you can have intermodulation 
products being passively created in the WiMax.  Like TV, FM broadcast etc.  

Does the WiMax have an external antenna that can be disconnected to see if the 
problem goes away?

Wrap the WiMax with foil and see if the problem goes away.  

If it is no interference generated with the same gear at one location but 
interference at another location, intermod seems likely.
You can put ferrite on the CAT5, use shielded CAT5 and put loops in it to 
decouple the radio from anything in the house.  
Or just power the CPE with a battery up on the rooftop to see if it still 
noisy.  If so, then stop looking at sources in the house.  

Again, intermod, bad radio would be my two top picks.  

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2017 8:49 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Weird cellular interference issue

Not shielded cable, but still a good idea.

This person doesn't have HAM equipment, but I'm thinking something along the 
same lines.  Maybe a device in the house is inserting this signal on the 
neutral or ground wire of the A/C.  Maybe A/C ground is bonded to D/C ground in 
the PoE. Maybe D/C ground is bonded to a ground plane in the panel antenna.  
Lots of maybes there.  Maybe I'm talking out of my hole.



-- Original Message --
From: "George Skorup" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 1/23/2017 10:39:18 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Weird cellular interference issue

  Is it shielded cable? Sounds like the shield has become a radiator, aka 
antenna. Detune it by adding or removing some cable length?


  On 1/23/2017 9:32 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:

place the poe in a faraday cage, it will resolve it, we have a HAM guy that 
has something in 800mhz, same issue, suggested he do that, it resolved it, he 
didnt describe what cage he built

On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 9:24 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

  This is above my pay grade.

  One of our customers was contacted by AT, and the customer put them in 
touch with us.  AT was tracking down a source of interference.  The 
interference was on a 10mhz wide channel centered on 828mhz.  At their tower, 
AT is seeing it 15-20db above the noise floor, so it's pretty significant.

  Using their spectrum analyzer they tracked it down to our customer's 
house.  The customer has a wimax CPE on their roof.  Unplugging the CPE makes 
the interference go away, plugging it back in brings the interference back.  
Every time.  AT guy goes to another customer's house and confirms that other 
CPE at different locations don't produce this interference.  

  We figure it's a malfunction in the CPE, so we replace it.  Interference 
still present.  
  We replaced the PoE.  Interference still present.


  So we know the Wimax unit doesn't originate the 828mhz signal, but it's 
somehow an accidental component of a system that does.


  WTF could be going on?






-- 

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part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Weird cellular interference issue

[Adam Moffett]

Not shielded cable, but still a good idea.

This person doesn't have HAM equipment, but I'm thinking something along 
the same lines.  Maybe a device in the house is inserting this signal on 
the neutral or ground wire of the A/C.  Maybe A/C ground is bonded to 
D/C ground in the PoE. Maybe D/C ground is bonded to a ground plane in 
the panel antenna.  Lots of maybes there.  Maybe I'm talking out of my 
hole.




-- Original Message --
From: "George Skorup" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 1/23/2017 10:39:18 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Weird cellular interference issue

Is it shielded cable? Sounds like the shield has become a radiator, aka 
antenna. Detune it by adding or removing some cable length?


On 1/23/2017 9:32 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
place the poe in a faraday cage, it will resolve it, we have a HAM guy 
that has something in 800mhz, same issue, suggested he do that, it 
resolved it, he didnt describe what cage he built


On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 9:24 PM, Adam Moffett  
wrote:

This is above my pay grade.

One of our customers was contacted by AT, and the customer put them 
in touch with us.  AT was tracking down a source of interference.  
The interference was on a 10mhz wide channel centered on 828mhz.  At 
their tower, AT is seeing it 15-20db above the noise floor, so it's 
pretty significant.


Using their spectrum analyzer they tracked it down to our customer's 
house.  The customer has a wimax CPE on their roof.  Unplugging the 
CPE makes the interference go away, plugging it back in brings the 
interference back.  Every time.  AT guy goes to another customer's 
house and confirms that other CPE at different locations don't 
produce this interference.


We figure it's a malfunction in the CPE, so we replace it.  
Interference still present.

We replaced the PoE.  Interference still present.

So we know the Wimax unit doesn't originate the 828mhz signal, but 
it's somehow an accidental component of a system that does.


WTF could be going on?





--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your 
team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Weird cellular interference issue

[Jaime Solorza]

that was my next suggestion

Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390

On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 8:39 PM, George Skorup  wrote:

> Is it shielded cable? Sounds like the shield has become a radiator, aka
> antenna. Detune it by adding or removing some cable length?
>
> On 1/23/2017 9:32 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
>
> place the poe in a faraday cage, it will resolve it, we have a HAM guy
> that has something in 800mhz, same issue, suggested he do that, it resolved
> it, he didnt describe what cage he built
>
> On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 9:24 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
>> This is above my pay grade.
>>
>> One of our customers was contacted by AT, and the customer put them in
>> touch with us.  AT was tracking down a source of interference.  The
>> interference was on a 10mhz wide channel centered on 828mhz.  At their
>> tower, AT is seeing it 15-20db above the noise floor, so it's pretty
>> significant.
>>
>> Using their spectrum analyzer they tracked it down to our customer's
>> house.  The customer has a wimax CPE on their roof.  Unplugging the CPE
>> makes the interference go away, plugging it back in brings the interference
>> back.  Every time.  AT guy goes to another customer's house and
>> confirms that other CPE at different locations don't produce this
>> interference.
>>
>> We figure it's a malfunction in the CPE, so we replace it.  Interference
>> still present.
>> We replaced the PoE.  Interference still present.
>>
>> So we know the Wimax unit doesn't originate the 828mhz signal, but it's
>> somehow an accidental component of a system that does.
>>
>> WTF could be going on?
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Weird cellular interference issue

[George Skorup]

Is it shielded cable? Sounds like the shield has become a radiator, aka 
antenna. Detune it by adding or removing some cable length?


On 1/23/2017 9:32 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
place the poe in a faraday cage, it will resolve it, we have a HAM guy 
that has something in 800mhz, same issue, suggested he do that, it 
resolved it, he didnt describe what cage he built


On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 9:24 PM, Adam Moffett > wrote:


This is above my pay grade.

One of our customers was contacted by AT, and the customer put
them in touch with us.  AT was tracking down a source of
interference.  The interference was on a 10mhz wide channel
centered on 828mhz.  At their tower, AT is seeing it 15-20db
above the noise floor, so it's pretty significant.

Using their spectrum analyzer they tracked it down to our
customer's house.  The customer has a wimax CPE on their roof. 
Unplugging the CPE makes the interference go away, plugging it

back in brings the interference back.  Every time. AT guy goes
to another customer's house and confirms that other CPE at
different locations don't produce this interference.

We figure it's a malfunction in the CPE, so we replace it. 
Interference still present.

We replaced the PoE. Interference still present.

So we know the Wimax unit doesn't originate the 828mhz signal, but
it's somehow an accidental component of a system that does.

WTF could be going on?




--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your 
team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Weird cellular interference issue

[Jaime Solorza]

cheap way to verify...use that aluminum tape or several windings of
foil...thicker the better at 800MHz..

Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390

On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 8:32 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> place the poe in a faraday cage, it will resolve it, we have a HAM guy
> that has something in 800mhz, same issue, suggested he do that, it resolved
> it, he didnt describe what cage he built
>
> On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 9:24 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
>> This is above my pay grade.
>>
>> One of our customers was contacted by AT, and the customer put them in
>> touch with us.  AT was tracking down a source of interference.  The
>> interference was on a 10mhz wide channel centered on 828mhz.  At their
>> tower, AT is seeing it 15-20db above the noise floor, so it's pretty
>> significant.
>>
>> Using their spectrum analyzer they tracked it down to our customer's
>> house.  The customer has a wimax CPE on their roof.  Unplugging the CPE
>> makes the interference go away, plugging it back in brings the interference
>> back.  Every time.  AT guy goes to another customer's house and
>> confirms that other CPE at different locations don't produce this
>> interference.
>>
>> We figure it's a malfunction in the CPE, so we replace it.  Interference
>> still present.
>> We replaced the PoE.  Interference still present.
>>
>> So we know the Wimax unit doesn't originate the 828mhz signal, but it's
>> somehow an accidental component of a system that does.
>>
>> WTF could be going on?
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>

Re: [AFMUG] Weird cellular interference issue

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

place the poe in a faraday cage, it will resolve it, we have a HAM guy that
has something in 800mhz, same issue, suggested he do that, it resolved it,
he didnt describe what cage he built

On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 9:24 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

> This is above my pay grade.
>
> One of our customers was contacted by AT, and the customer put them in
> touch with us.  AT was tracking down a source of interference.  The
> interference was on a 10mhz wide channel centered on 828mhz.  At their
> tower, AT is seeing it 15-20db above the noise floor, so it's pretty
> significant.
>
> Using their spectrum analyzer they tracked it down to our customer's
> house.  The customer has a wimax CPE on their roof.  Unplugging the CPE
> makes the interference go away, plugging it back in brings the interference
> back.  Every time.  AT guy goes to another customer's house and
> confirms that other CPE at different locations don't produce this
> interference.
>
> We figure it's a malfunction in the CPE, so we replace it.  Interference
> still present.
> We replaced the PoE.  Interference still present.
>
> So we know the Wimax unit doesn't originate the 828mhz signal, but it's
> somehow an accidental component of a system that does.
>
> WTF could be going on?
>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

[AFMUG] Weird cellular interference issue

[Adam Moffett]

This is above my pay grade.

One of our customers was contacted by AT, and the customer put them in 
touch with us.  AT was tracking down a source of interference.  The 
interference was on a 10mhz wide channel centered on 828mhz.  At their 
tower, AT is seeing it 15-20db above the noise floor, so it's pretty 
significant.


Using their spectrum analyzer they tracked it down to our customer's 
house.  The customer has a wimax CPE on their roof.  Unplugging the CPE 
makes the interference go away, plugging it back in brings the 
interference back.  Every time.  AT guy goes to another customer's 
house and confirms that other CPE at different locations don't produce 
this interference.


We figure it's a malfunction in the CPE, so we replace it.  Interference 
still present.

We replaced the PoE.  Interference still present.

So we know the Wimax unit doesn't originate the 828mhz signal, but it's 
somehow an accidental component of a system that does.


WTF could be going on?

Re: [AFMUG] Where to Locate Monitoring / Shallow Depth Servers?

[Robert]

http://www.mini-box.com/picoPSU-160-XT

On 1/23/17 1:08 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

You guys and your DC power... Sheesh.

On Jan 23, 2017 3:07 PM, "George Skorup" > wrote:

That thing would be so much better with a DC power supply.

On 1/23/2017 2:35 PM, Seth Mattinen wrote:


This would fit in 1U with 12" of depth:

https://www.supermicro.com/products/system/1u/5018/sys-5018a-ftn4.cfm

Re: [AFMUG] Politics and the FCC

[Bill Prince]

Der Gropen Fuhrer!


bp


On 1/23/2017 3:09 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
Rather than the raised arm salute, you extend your arm straight but 
angled downward, palm up, a make a “grabbing” motion.

*From:* That One Guy /sarcasm
*Sent:* Monday, January 23, 2017 4:07 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Politics and the FCC
long live the Trumpenreich
On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 5:03 PM,  wrote:

So that makes you a Donald fan now, right?
*From:* That One Guy /sarcasm
*Sent:* Monday, January 23, 2017 3:59 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Politics and the FCC
somuch.winning
Our industry really cont complain much at all, we have silently
been creeping up the food chain over the last few years
On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 4:50 PM, Mathew Howard
 wrote:

Sounds like it's official now... definitely good news!
On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 2:57 PM, Josh Reynolds
 wrote:

He's fantastic.
On Jan 23, 2017 2:10 PM, "Dan Petermann"
 wrote:

Perhaps a little more on topic, what do you think
about the possibility of Ajit Pai becoming FCC chairman?




-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see

your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of
the team.



--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your 
team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Politics and the FCC

[chuck]

Rather than the raised arm salute, you extend your arm straight but angled 
downward, palm up, a make a “grabbing” motion.  

From: That One Guy /sarcasm 
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2017 4:07 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Politics and the FCC

long live the Trumpenreich

On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 5:03 PM,  wrote:

  So that makes you a Donald fan now, right?

  From: That One Guy /sarcasm 
  Sent: Monday, January 23, 2017 3:59 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Politics and the FCC

  somuch.winning 

  Our industry really cont complain much at all, we have silently been creeping 
up the food chain over the last few years

  On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 4:50 PM, Mathew Howard  wrote:

Sounds like it's official now... definitely good news!


On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 2:57 PM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:

  He's fantastic.

  On Jan 23, 2017 2:10 PM, "Dan Petermann"  wrote:

Perhaps a little more on topic, what do you think about the possibility 
of Ajit Pai becoming FCC chairman?








  -- 

  If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.




-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Politics and the FCC

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

long live the Trumpenreich

On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 5:03 PM,  wrote:

> So that makes you a Donald fan now, right?
>
> *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm
> *Sent:* Monday, January 23, 2017 3:59 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Politics and the FCC
>
> somuch.winning
>
> Our industry really cont complain much at all, we have silently been
> creeping up the food chain over the last few years
>
> On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 4:50 PM, Mathew Howard 
> wrote:
>
>> Sounds like it's official now... definitely good news!
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 2:57 PM, Josh Reynolds 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> He's fantastic.
>>>
>>> On Jan 23, 2017 2:10 PM, "Dan Petermann"  wrote:
>>>
 Perhaps a little more on topic, what do you think about the possibility
 of Ajit Pai becoming FCC chairman?



>>
>
>
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>



-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Politics and the FCC

[chuck]

So that makes you a Donald fan now, right?

From: That One Guy /sarcasm 
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2017 3:59 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Politics and the FCC

somuch.winning 

Our industry really cont complain much at all, we have silently been creeping 
up the food chain over the last few years

On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 4:50 PM, Mathew Howard  wrote:

  Sounds like it's official now... definitely good news!


  On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 2:57 PM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:

He's fantastic.

On Jan 23, 2017 2:10 PM, "Dan Petermann"  wrote:

  Perhaps a little more on topic, what do you think about the possibility 
of Ajit Pai becoming FCC chairman?








-- 

If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as 
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Politics and the FCC

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

somuch.winning

Our industry really cont complain much at all, we have silently been
creeping up the food chain over the last few years

On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 4:50 PM, Mathew Howard  wrote:

> Sounds like it's official now... definitely good news!
>
> On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 2:57 PM, Josh Reynolds 
> wrote:
>
>> He's fantastic.
>>
>> On Jan 23, 2017 2:10 PM, "Dan Petermann"  wrote:
>>
>>> Perhaps a little more on topic, what do you think about the possibility
>>> of Ajit Pai becoming FCC chairman?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>


-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Where to Locate Monitoring / Shallow Depth Servers?

[Christopher Gray]

 They do make a DC version of the short 2U chassis Justin suggested, but it
runs on -48V:
https://www.supermicro.com/products/chassis/2U/523/SC523L-410.cfm

I'll look into the Supermicro units. I've also been looking at the Dell
R210 II, which is only 15.5" deep and seems to be pretty inexpensive these
days.

-Chris



On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 4:06 PM, George Skorup  wrote:

> That thing would be so much better with a DC power supply.
>
>
> On 1/23/2017 2:35 PM, Seth Mattinen wrote:
>
>>
>> This would fit in 1U with 12" of depth:
>>
>> https://www.supermicro.com/products/system/1u/5018/sys-5018a-ftn4.cfm
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Politics and the FCC

[Mathew Howard]

Sounds like it's official now... definitely good news!

On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 2:57 PM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:

> He's fantastic.
>
> On Jan 23, 2017 2:10 PM, "Dan Petermann"  wrote:
>
>> Perhaps a little more on topic, what do you think about the possibility
>> of Ajit Pai becoming FCC chairman?
>>
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] new 450m subs?

[Josh Luthman]

Been said on list actually


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 4:24 PM, Craig Schmaderer 
wrote:

> Take this only for what it is, but someone hinted to me about a week ago
> and this is what they said
>
> They will be fully unlocked with no license keys. MSRP is approximately
> $299. ETA is April or May.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Dev
> Sent: Monday, January 23, 2017 11:59 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: [AFMUG] new 450m subs?
>
> Anyone have an update on the availability of the 450m sub version that’s
> like the epmp200? I thought I remember hearing Q1 sometime? Pricing?
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Tough week

[Jaime Solorza]

Give me a few

On Jan 23, 2017 2:18 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:

> I am still here... Had to pull video from one of the buses I work on for
> police. Drunk lady crossed in front of bus doing 47mph... 7 yr old girl
> passed away,  3 yr old in critical condition and drunk lady in guarded
> condition... So I am reflecting on all this Thanks Steve for back up
>

Re: [AFMUG] new 450m subs?

[Craig Schmaderer]

Take this only for what it is, but someone hinted to me about a week ago and 
this is what they said

They will be fully unlocked with no license keys. MSRP is approximately $299. 
ETA is April or May.

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Dev
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2017 11:59 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] new 450m subs?

Anyone have an update on the availability of the 450m sub version that’s like 
the epmp200? I thought I remember hearing Q1 sometime? Pricing?

[AFMUG] OT Tough week

[Jaime Solorza]

I am still here... Had to pull video from one of the buses I work on for
police. Drunk lady crossed in front of bus doing 47mph... 7 yr old girl
passed away,  3 yr old in critical condition and drunk lady in guarded
condition... So I am reflecting on all this Thanks Steve for back up

Re: [AFMUG] Epmp 5.1 guard band (no uplink antenna)

[George Skorup]

Yep, a 5MHz guard band is required for ePMP. The OFDM channel drops off 
sharply on the 450, so no guard band is required. Except for the uplink 
side on 3GHz 450, which has Adjacent Channel Support. That limits the Tx 
power on the SMs to 23dBm for OOBE so that they do not interfere with 
adjacent sectors running with zero guard.


Now... the ePMP 2000 does have Tx in addition to Rx filtering. So maybe 
that doesn't need a guard. I don't know. My guess is the OOBE from the 
SMs especially at 5.7GHz with their 30dBm Tx power could be pretty bad. 
But if the ePMP 2k filter can handle it, then maybe it'll work fine.


On 1/23/2017 2:34 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
Looking over our channel plan, Ive been doing at least 5mhz guard so I 
only get 3 channels (20mhz) in 5.1, are you folks finding a need for 
the guard on colocated channels?


--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your 
team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] Epmp 5.1 guard band (no uplink antenna)

[Josh Luthman]

20 mhz north/south
5 mhz guard band
20 mhz east/east


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 3:34 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Looking over our channel plan, Ive been doing at least 5mhz guard so I
> only get 3 channels (20mhz) in 5.1, are you folks finding a need for the
> guard on colocated channels?
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>

Re: [AFMUG] Where to Locate Monitoring / Shallow Depth Servers?

[Josh Reynolds]

You guys and your DC power... Sheesh.

On Jan 23, 2017 3:07 PM, "George Skorup"  wrote:

> That thing would be so much better with a DC power supply.
>
> On 1/23/2017 2:35 PM, Seth Mattinen wrote:
>
>>
>> This would fit in 1U with 12" of depth:
>>
>> https://www.supermicro.com/products/system/1u/5018/sys-5018a-ftn4.cfm
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Where to Locate Monitoring / Shallow Depth Servers?

[George Skorup]

That thing would be so much better with a DC power supply.

On 1/23/2017 2:35 PM, Seth Mattinen wrote:


This would fit in 1U with 12" of depth:

https://www.supermicro.com/products/system/1u/5018/sys-5018a-ftn4.cfm

Re: [AFMUG] Politics and the FCC

[Josh Reynolds]

He's fantastic.

On Jan 23, 2017 2:10 PM, "Dan Petermann"  wrote:

> Perhaps a little more on topic, what do you think about the possibility of
> Ajit Pai becoming FCC chairman?
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Epmp 5.1 guard band (no uplink antenna)

[Mathew Howard]

The ePMP documentation says to use a 5mhz guard band, so that's what I've
always done...

On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 2:34 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Looking over our channel plan, Ive been doing at least 5mhz guard so I
> only get 3 channels (20mhz) in 5.1, are you folks finding a need for the
> guard on colocated channels?
>
> --
> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>

Re: [AFMUG] Where to Locate Monitoring / Shallow Depth Servers?

[Seth Mattinen]

On 1/23/17 11:35, Christopher Gray wrote:


I've got two remotely located networks with space-restricted sites where
I could install a shallow rack-mount server for some simple VMs.
Specifically, One site is restricted to about 20" deep and 4U, and
another restricted to about 12" deep and 1U. I wouldn't need much
processing power, so some older servers could be sufficient.




This would fit in 1U with 12" of depth:

https://www.supermicro.com/products/system/1u/5018/sys-5018a-ftn4.cfm

[AFMUG] Epmp 5.1 guard band (no uplink antenna)

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

Looking over our channel plan, Ive been doing at least 5mhz guard so I only
get 3 channels (20mhz) in 5.1, are you folks finding a need for the guard
on colocated channels?

-- 
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as
part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?

[Faisal Imtiaz]

That my friend would be the Astrological Zodiac sign Uranus !

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

- Original Message -
> From: "Christopher Tyler" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Monday, January 23, 2017 1:56:38 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?

> What's the astrological sign for a**hole?
> (written in good humor of course)
> 
> --
> Christopher Tyler
> MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE
> Total Highspeed Internet Services
> 417.851.1107
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: ch...@wbmfg.com
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Monday, January 23, 2017 12:47:13 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?
> 
> It has to look like a hot chick, that’s all I’m sayin’ about that
> 
> From: Bill Prince
> Sent: Monday, January 23, 2017 11:35 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?
> 
> I've also heard tell that Geminis are bisexual.
> 
> 
> 
> bp
> 
> 
> On 1/23/2017 10:30 AM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
> 
>  From Wikipedia...
> 
> 
>  I think it is fairly accurate !
> 
> 
>  :)
> 
> 
> 
>  ---
> 
>  Astrologers believe Geminis have a volatile temperament, that their strength
>  however is their versatility, and that their versatility allows them to 
> learn a
>  little about everything and develop skills in many areas. Geminis are
>  considered to hold mysteriously unique artistic and creative abilities unlike
>  other signs. Often considered to be very intelligent individuals, they have a
>  wide appreciation for the arts, philosophy, history and the natural sciences.
>  They do not like boring people or routine procedures and therefore struggle 
> to
>  deal with authoritative figures. They are enlightened to talk about any 
> subject
>  which they find interesting and where they can stimulate their naturally
>  intellectual personalities. Geminis are noted to be drastic and hasty yet 
> very
>  responsible and disciplined. They are considered to be the most misunderstood
>  of all signs due to their dual personality expressed by the twins of their
>  sign. Because of this, don't be surprised to often find Geminis in different
>  moods and therefore mood swings can occur often for Geminis because of their
>  high degree of mental processing and thinking. This makes them quite
>  philosophical people. Geminis are sensitive as well but use their high
>  intelligence to counter anything that upsets them
>  ==
> 
> 
>  Faisal Imtiaz
>  Snappy Internet & Telecom
>  7266 SW 48 Street
>  Miami, FL 33155
>  Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
> 
>  Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
> 
> 
> --
> 
>From: ch...@wbmfg.com
>To: af@afmug.com
>Sent: Monday, January 23, 2017 1:18:16 PM
>Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?
> 
>Well June 21
>Perhaps
> 
>From: Faisal Imtiaz
> 
>Sent: Monday, January 23, 2017 10:47 AM
>To: af@afmug.com
> 
>Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?
> 
>>Sometimes when I am trolling, I touch a nerve.  I can switch to either 
> side of
>>an argument at will for fun.
> 
> 
>Are you a Gemini by any chance ?
> 
> 
> 
>Faisal Imtiaz
>Snappy Internet & Telecom
>7266 SW 48 Street
>Miami, FL 33155
>Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
> 
>Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  From: ch...@wbmfg.com
>  To: af@afmug.com
>  Sent: Monday, January 23, 2017 12:14:54 PM
>  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?
> 
>  I don’t think anyone has ever been knocked off the list.  Shouted down 
> at times.
>  Insulted.  But never knocked off.
> 
>  Sometimes when I am trolling, I touch a nerve.  I can switch to either 
> side of
>  an argument at will for fun.
> 
>  With the exception of being a Clinton supporter.  Just cannot make 
> myself go
>  there.
> 
>  From: That One Guy /sarcasm
> 
>  Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 7:47 PM
>  To: af@afmug.com
> 
>  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?
> 
>  just fyi if jaime gets knocked off the list, im taking my toys and going 
> home
> 
>  in 4 years hes going to be showing us pictures of tecate and some 
> insanely tasty
>  looking crow anyway :-)
> 
> 
>  On Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 4:57 PM, Jaime Solorza 
> 
>  wrote:
> 
>I don't buy that... Respect your opinion but I don't buy that 63 
> list...
> 
>I have no confidence in Trump... I think he is bad for our country...  
> I will
>not change my mind.  If you want to knock me off list... It's 

[AFMUG] Politics and the FCC

[Dan Petermann]

Perhaps a little more on topic, what do you think about the possibility of Ajit 
Pai becoming FCC chairman?

Re: [AFMUG] Where to Locate Monitoring / Shallow Depth Servers?

[Eric Kuhnke]

It depends on the topology of your network, but if you want to do this, put
a few 1U shallow depth supermicros or similar out at the far edge of your
network. The farthest POP from your core. Doesn't have to be expensive,
even a 4 year old model is fine as long as it can run the latest
debian-testing (stretch) and has a single 1000BaseT interface for things
like iperf, etc.


On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 11:35 AM, Christopher Gray <
cg...@graytechsoftware.com> wrote:

> When working with a smaller remotely located network, is your preference
> to install a server on that network for monitoring and such, or to just
> tunnel back to your main location for monitoring?
>
> I've got two remotely located networks with space-restricted sites where I
> could install a shallow rack-mount server for some simple VMs.
> Specifically, One site is restricted to about 20" deep and 4U, and another
> restricted to about 12" deep and 1U. I wouldn't need much processing power,
> so some older servers could be sufficient.
>
> I'm debating whether to go through the effort of finding and setting up
> small servers to do monitoring, RADIUS, etc directly on the network, or to
> just continue using my main location with tunnels.
>
> Any suggestions are welcome.
>

Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?

[Bill Prince]

No. That was me. I shot myself in the back of the head three times, and 
in the per-frontal cortex four more times (after I read this thread).



bp


On 1/23/2017 11:38 AM, Sam Morris wrote:
Vince Foster...isn't he the guy who committed suicide by shooting 
himself in the back of the head three times?



On 1/22/2017 4:44 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Fact Bill, they are dead and they all had harmed or could have harmed
Bill or Hillary.
Just go through the list one by one.  Some of it related to Waco.  Many
related to Whitewater or Monica.
Remember Vince Foster?
One or three could be a coincidence.  10 perhaps just a series of
unfortunate and unrelated events, but 63 of them?  Just happenstance?
*From:* Bill Prince
*Sent:* Sunday, January 22, 2017 3:38 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?

Give. Me. A. Break.

bp


On 1/22/2017 2:34 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

One thing is for certain, absolute inarguable fact, these 63 people
are as dead as you can get and all of them either spilled the beans on
the Clintons or had information that could harm the Clintons.
So, if you want to talk ethics and morals of Trump, I have not yet
heard of anyone he had whacked.  Maybe he is just better at doing it.

 1. Susan Coleman:
 2. Larry Guerrin:
 3. Kevin Ives
 4. Don Henry:
 5. Keith Coney:
 6. Keith McKaskle:
 7. Gregory Collins:
 8. Jeff Rhodes:
 9. James Milam:
10. Richard Winters:
11. Jordan Kettleson:
12. Alan Standorf:
13. Dennis Eisman: .
14. Danny Casalaro:
15. Victor Raiser:
16. R. Montgomery Raiser:
17. Paul Tully:
18. Ian Spiro:
19. Paula Gober:
20. Jim Wilhite:
21. Steve Willis,
22. Robert Williams,
23. Todd McKeahan
24. Conway LeBleu:
25. Sgt. Brian Haney,
26. Sgt. Tim Sabel,
27. Maj. William Barkley,
28. Capt. Scott Reynolds:
29. John Crawford:
30. John Wilson:
31. Paul Wilcher:
32. Vincent Foster:
33. Jon Parnell Walker:
34. Stanley Heard
35. Steven Dickson:
36. Jerry Luther Parks:
37. Ed Willey:
38. Gandy Baugh:
39. Herschell Friday:
40. Ronald Rogers:
41. Kathy Furguson:
42. Bill Shelton:
43. Stanley Huggins:
44. Paul Olson:
45. Calvin Walraven:
46. Alan G. Whicher:
47. Duane Garrett:
48. Ron Brown:.
49. Charles Meissner:
50. William Colby:
51. Admiral Jeremy Boorda:
52. Lance Herndon:
53. Neil Moody:
54. Barbara Wise:
55. Doug Adams:
56. Mary C. Mahoney:
57. Ronald Miller:
58. Sandy Hume:
59. Jim McDougal:
60. Johnny Lawhon:
61. Charles Wilbourne Miller:
62. Carlos Ghigliotti:
63. Tony Moser:

From: Josh Reynolds
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 2:41 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?
He also ran a lot of less than ethical schemes to make his money. Some
were legal, some were not. You may consider that smart, and that's
your right. I do not.
On Jan 22, 2017 2:53 PM, "Jon Langeler"
mailto:jon-ispli...@michwave.net wrote:
He had money, knew to hire the right people, and made good decisions.
Historically that's not been common in politics. It's always been
mostly 'spenders'
Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.
On Jan 22, 2017, at 3:20 PM, Josh Reynolds mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com
wrote:
Net worth is in no way an indicator of intelligence. In fact, it often
happens by accident, or in spite of intelligence.
On Jan 22, 2017 2:00 PM, "Jon Langeler"
mailto:jon-ispli...@michwave.net wrote:
Considering his net worth he might he smarter than any of us. But if
your looking for miracles you might be better off reading the bible.
Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.
On Jan 22, 2017, at 2:55 PM, Jaime Solorza
mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com wrote:
Empty promises just like his brain.But it's okay to grope now
Waiting for right time to do it comrades
On Jan 22, 2017 10:38 AM, "Josh Reynolds" mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com
wrote:
https://streamable.com/md28v
I still cannot settle down with the idea that a Trump presidency is
not some kind of joke taken too far...
On Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 8:43 AM, Jaime Solorza
mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com wrote:
Waiting on Tweets Trump or Trumps Tweet response to this..
https://news.google.com/news/amp?caurl=http%3A%2F%2Fm.huffpost.com%2Fus%2Fentry%2Fus_5884a06be4b096b4a2325818%2Famp#pt0-568751 


On Jan 22, 2017 7:40 AM, "Jaime Solorza"
mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com wrote:
Hey but you can buy Melanias jewelry line on new white house website.
The bullshit is going to get worse...no million and half attended
inauguration Women's March had a lot more... His ego is bruised.
Let me Trumpspeak... So sad.
On Jan 22, 2017 12:47 AM, "That One Guy /sarcasm"
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote:
there is this gem now
http://www.hewillnotdivide.us/
24x7 real time stream of people being idiots ala transformers guy
On Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 1:40 AM, Stefan Englhardt
mailto:s...@genias.net wrote:
Today we’ve great possibilities to spread news. But it is very
difficult to get the real information unbiased. Breitbart is known to
be very biased even here over the 

Re: [AFMUG] Where to Locate Monitoring / Shallow Depth Servers?

[Justin Wilson]

We do a lot of tunnels back to a few data centers and an Amazon instance. 

If you are talking Radius it’s always good to have one one-site at least.

I like these:
http://www.acmemicro.com/Product/2923/Supermicro-SC523L-520B-2U-Chassis-14-5-in-Depth-2x3-5-in-Internal-Front-I-O-ATX-520W-Black-CSE-523L-520B?gclid=CjwKEAiA8JbEBRCz2szzhqrx7H8SJAC6FjXXyDkNekNGkmQnFtGCWCy377xr_yXMbL--K3Cgo_vVwxoCl2Dw_wcB
 




Justin Wilson
j...@mtin.net

---
http://www.mtin.net Owner/CEO
xISP Solutions- Consulting – Data Centers - Bandwidth

http://www.midwest-ix.com  COO/Chairman
Internet Exchange - Peering - Distributed Fabric

> On Jan 23, 2017, at 2:35 PM, Christopher Gray  
> wrote:
> 
> When working with a smaller remotely located network, is your preference to 
> install a server on that network for monitoring and such, or to just tunnel 
> back to your main location for monitoring?
> 
> I've got two remotely located networks with space-restricted sites where I 
> could install a shallow rack-mount server for some simple VMs. Specifically, 
> One site is restricted to about 20" deep and 4U, and another restricted to 
> about 12" deep and 1U. I wouldn't need much processing power, so some older 
> servers could be sufficient.
> 
> I'm debating whether to go through the effort of finding and setting up small 
> servers to do monitoring, RADIUS, etc directly on the network, or to just 
> continue using my main location with tunnels.
> 
> Any suggestions are welcome.

Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?

[Sam Morris]

Vince Foster...isn't he the guy who committed suicide by shooting 
himself in the back of the head three times?



On 1/22/2017 4:44 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

Fact Bill, they are dead and they all had harmed or could have harmed
Bill or Hillary.
Just go through the list one by one.  Some of it related to Waco.  Many
related to Whitewater or Monica.
Remember Vince Foster?
One or three could be a coincidence.  10 perhaps just a series of
unfortunate and unrelated events, but 63 of them?  Just happenstance?
*From:* Bill Prince
*Sent:* Sunday, January 22, 2017 3:38 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?

Give. Me. A. Break.

bp


On 1/22/2017 2:34 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

One thing is for certain, absolute inarguable fact, these 63 people
are as dead as you can get and all of them either spilled the beans on
the Clintons or had information that could harm the Clintons.
So, if you want to talk ethics and morals of Trump, I have not yet
heard of anyone he had whacked.  Maybe he is just better at doing it.

 1. Susan Coleman:
 2. Larry Guerrin:
 3. Kevin Ives
 4. Don Henry:
 5. Keith Coney:
 6. Keith McKaskle:
 7. Gregory Collins:
 8. Jeff Rhodes:
 9. James Milam:
10. Richard Winters:
11. Jordan Kettleson:
12. Alan Standorf:
13. Dennis Eisman: .
14. Danny Casalaro:
15. Victor Raiser:
16. R. Montgomery Raiser:
17. Paul Tully:
18. Ian Spiro:
19. Paula Gober:
20. Jim Wilhite:
21. Steve Willis,
22. Robert Williams,
23. Todd McKeahan
24. Conway LeBleu:
25. Sgt. Brian Haney,
26. Sgt. Tim Sabel,
27. Maj. William Barkley,
28. Capt. Scott Reynolds:
29. John Crawford:
30. John Wilson:
31. Paul Wilcher:
32. Vincent Foster:
33. Jon Parnell Walker:
34. Stanley Heard
35. Steven Dickson:
36. Jerry Luther Parks:
37. Ed Willey:
38. Gandy Baugh:
39. Herschell Friday:
40. Ronald Rogers:
41. Kathy Furguson:
42. Bill Shelton:
43. Stanley Huggins:
44. Paul Olson:
45. Calvin Walraven:
46. Alan G. Whicher:
47. Duane Garrett:
48. Ron Brown:.
49. Charles Meissner:
50. William Colby:
51. Admiral Jeremy Boorda:
52. Lance Herndon:
53. Neil Moody:
54. Barbara Wise:
55. Doug Adams:
56. Mary C. Mahoney:
57. Ronald Miller:
58. Sandy Hume:
59. Jim McDougal:
60. Johnny Lawhon:
61. Charles Wilbourne Miller:
62. Carlos Ghigliotti:
63. Tony Moser:

From: Josh Reynolds
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 2:41 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?
He also ran a lot of less than ethical schemes to make his money. Some
were legal, some were not. You may consider that smart, and that's
your right. I do not.
On Jan 22, 2017 2:53 PM, "Jon Langeler"
mailto:jon-ispli...@michwave.net wrote:
He had money, knew to hire the right people, and made good decisions.
Historically that's not been common in politics. It's always been
mostly 'spenders'
Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.
On Jan 22, 2017, at 3:20 PM, Josh Reynolds mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com
wrote:
Net worth is in no way an indicator of intelligence. In fact, it often
happens by accident, or in spite of intelligence.
On Jan 22, 2017 2:00 PM, "Jon Langeler"
mailto:jon-ispli...@michwave.net wrote:
Considering his net worth he might he smarter than any of us. But if
your looking for miracles you might be better off reading the bible.
Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.
On Jan 22, 2017, at 2:55 PM, Jaime Solorza
mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com wrote:
Empty promises just like his brain.But it's okay to grope now
Waiting for right time to do it comrades
On Jan 22, 2017 10:38 AM, "Josh Reynolds" mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com
wrote:
https://streamable.com/md28v
I still cannot settle down with the idea that a Trump presidency is
not some kind of joke taken too far...
On Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 8:43 AM, Jaime Solorza
mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com wrote:
Waiting on Tweets Trump or Trumps Tweet response to this..
https://news.google.com/news/amp?caurl=http%3A%2F%2Fm.huffpost.com%2Fus%2Fentry%2Fus_5884a06be4b096b4a2325818%2Famp#pt0-568751
On Jan 22, 2017 7:40 AM, "Jaime Solorza"
mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com wrote:
Hey but you can buy Melanias jewelry line on new white house website.
The bullshit is going to get worse...no million and half attended
inauguration Women's March had a lot more... His ego is bruised.
Let me Trumpspeak... So sad.
On Jan 22, 2017 12:47 AM, "That One Guy /sarcasm"
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote:
there is this gem now
http://www.hewillnotdivide.us/
24x7 real time stream of people being idiots ala transformers guy
On Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 1:40 AM, Stefan Englhardt
mailto:s...@genias.net wrote:
Today we’ve great possibilities to spread news. But it is very
difficult to get the real information unbiased. Breitbart is known to
be very biased even here over the ocean. But it seems the „normal“
media in USA is biased, too.
E.g. we never understood how Bush jun. got his second election where
it was clear he started a war based on wrong information. This is
unthinkable here. It would be 

[AFMUG] Where to Locate Monitoring / Shallow Depth Servers?

[Christopher Gray]

When working with a smaller remotely located network, is your preference to
install a server on that network for monitoring and such, or to just tunnel
back to your main location for monitoring?

I've got two remotely located networks with space-restricted sites where I
could install a shallow rack-mount server for some simple VMs.
Specifically, One site is restricted to about 20" deep and 4U, and another
restricted to about 12" deep and 1U. I wouldn't need much processing power,
so some older servers could be sufficient.

I'm debating whether to go through the effort of finding and setting up
small servers to do monitoring, RADIUS, etc directly on the network, or to
just continue using my main location with tunnels.

Any suggestions are welcome.

Re: [AFMUG] radwin jet vs 450m

[Dev]

Yeah, these mythical 80M channels don’t exist for almost any operators, 
especially if you want to co-locate a few AP’s, basically it’s a question of 
what you can realistically get down a 20M channel with mild interference in the 
area and can still afford at the prices people are willing to pay.

>>
>>

 did overlook the fact that beam steering may very well help larger
channel widths, so keep this in mind.

On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 12:10 PM, Joe Novak  wrote:

> 750mbit w/ 80mhz channels per http://www.radwin.com/contentManagment/
> uploadedFiles/Brochures/RW5000-Web-Brochure.pdf
> 
> I've read of other operators considering Radwin for business to business
> sales. I've been meaning to look deeper into it but have not yet. I won't
> be able to use 80mhz channels anywhere I need capacity.
> 
> 
> On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 12:05 PM, Dev  wrote:
> 
>> I read that the Radwin Jet PtMP AP does 750Mbit aggregate and has beam
>> steering, subs look stupid expensive (if I?m looking at the right units),
>> anyone know the performance/other comparison between that and the Cambium
>> 450m? They both look pretty tasty?which would you deploy and why?

Re: [AFMUG] OT Calories

[Josh Reynolds]

Our ancestors, prior to farming, were endurance hunters. There is a lot of
evidence that supports this, including just examining our builds as a
species and comparing us to the rest of the animal kingdom. We can't outrun
a gazelle, but we can track it until exhaustion. Then we can eat it :)

On Jan 23, 2017 1:05 PM,  wrote:

> This article is really saying you can’t out run a bad diet.
> If you are fat, you eat too much.
>
> Being active or not, you burn about the same calories.
> Being active means taking the stairs, perhaps working out a bit.
>
> Not running a marathon.  Those calories have to be replaced.
> I heard a talk from a guy that did 7 marathons in 7 states in 7 days.
> His biggest problem was stuffing down enough calories.
>
> *From:* Gino Villarini
> *Sent:* Monday, January 23, 2017 12:00 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Calories
>
> Huhh.. Interesting… but that doesn't explain then how body builders and
> tri athletes eat 5k and 10k daily diets and are fit AF…
>
> From: Af  on behalf of Chuck McCown  >
> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Date: Monday, January 23, 2017 at 2:52 PM
> To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Calories
>
>
>
> *Gino Villarini*
> President
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>
> More than 300 participants wore accelerometers similar to a Fitbit or
> other fitness tracker 24 hours a day for an entire week while their daily
> energy expenditure was measured with doubly labeled water. We found that
> daily physical activity, tracked by the accelerometers, was only weakly
> related to metabolism. On average, couch potatoes tended to spend about 200
> fewer calories each day than people who were moderately active: the kind of
> folks who get some exercise during the week and make a point to take the
> stairs. But more important, energy expenditure plateaued at higher activity
> levels: people with the most intensely active daily lives burned the same
> number of calories each day as those with moderately active lives. The same
> phenomenon keeping Hadza energy expenditure in line with that of other
> populations was evident among individuals in the study.
>
> *From:* ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Monday, January 23, 2017 11:49 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT Calories
>
> The new issue of scientific american shows that hunter gatherers expend
> the same amount of calories per mass as me sitting at a computer.
>
> “But a funny thing happened on the way to the isotope ratio mass
> spectrometer. When the analyses came back from Baylor, the Hadza looked
> like everyone else. Hadza men ate and burned about 2,600 calories a day,
> Hadza women about 1,900 calories a day—the same as adults in the U.S. or
> Europe. We looked at the data every way imaginable, accounting for effects
> of body size, fat percentage, age and sex. No difference. How was it
> possible? What were we missing? What else were we getting wrong about human
> biology and evolution?”
>
> Part way through the article...
>

Re: [AFMUG] radwin jet vs 450m

[Joe Novak]

I did overlook the fact that beam steering may very well help larger
channel widths, so keep this in mind.

On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 12:10 PM, Joe Novak  wrote:

> 750mbit w/ 80mhz channels per http://www.radwin.com/contentManagment/
> uploadedFiles/Brochures/RW5000-Web-Brochure.pdf
>
> I've read of other operators considering Radwin for business to business
> sales. I've been meaning to look deeper into it but have not yet. I won't
> be able to use 80mhz channels anywhere I need capacity.
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 12:05 PM, Dev  wrote:
>
>> I read that the Radwin Jet PtMP AP does 750Mbit aggregate and has beam
>> steering, subs look stupid expensive (if I’m looking at the right units),
>> anyone know the performance/other comparison between that and the Cambium
>> 450m? They both look pretty tasty…which would you deploy and why?
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?

[Josh Reynolds]

Cancer.

In Chinese zodiac, it's the "cock".

Source: am cancer/cock

On Jan 23, 2017 12:56 PM, "Christopher Tyler" 
wrote:

> What's the astrological sign for a**hole?
> (written in good humor of course)
>
> --
> Christopher Tyler
> MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE
> Total Highspeed Internet Services
> 417.851.1107
>
> - Original Message -
> From: ch...@wbmfg.com
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Monday, January 23, 2017 12:47:13 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?
>
> It has to look like a hot chick, that’s all I’m sayin’ about that
>
> From: Bill Prince
> Sent: Monday, January 23, 2017 11:35 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?
>
> I've also heard tell that Geminis are bisexual.
>
>
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 1/23/2017 10:30 AM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
>
>   From Wikipedia...
>
>
>   I think it is fairly accurate !
>
>
>   :)
>
>
>
>   ---
>
>   Astrologers believe Geminis have a volatile temperament, that their
> strength however is their versatility, and that their versatility allows
> them to learn a little about everything and develop skills in many areas.
> Geminis are considered to hold mysteriously unique artistic and creative
> abilities unlike other signs. Often considered to be very intelligent
> individuals, they have a wide appreciation for the arts, philosophy,
> history and the natural sciences. They do not like boring people or routine
> procedures and therefore struggle to deal with authoritative figures. They
> are enlightened to talk about any subject which they find interesting and
> where they can stimulate their naturally intellectual personalities.
> Geminis are noted to be drastic and hasty yet very responsible and
> disciplined. They are considered to be the most misunderstood of all signs
> due to their dual personality expressed by the twins of their sign. Because
> of this, don't be surprised to often find Geminis in different moods and
> therefore mood swings can occur often for Geminis because of their high
> degree of mental processing and thinking. This makes them quite
> philosophical people. Geminis are sensitive as well but use their high
> intelligence to counter anything that upsets them
>   ==
>
>
>   Faisal Imtiaz
>   Snappy Internet & Telecom
>   7266 SW 48 Street
>   Miami, FL 33155
>   Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
>   Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
>
> 
> --
>
> From: ch...@wbmfg.com
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Monday, January 23, 2017 1:18:16 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?
>
> Well June 21
> Perhaps
>
> From: Faisal Imtiaz
>
> Sent: Monday, January 23, 2017 10:47 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?
>
> >Sometimes when I am trolling, I touch a nerve.  I can switch to
> either side of an argument at will for fun.
>
>
> Are you a Gemini by any chance ?
>
>
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
>
> 
> 
>
>   From: ch...@wbmfg.com
>   To: af@afmug.com
>   Sent: Monday, January 23, 2017 12:14:54 PM
>   Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?
>
>   I don’t think anyone has ever been knocked off the list.  Shouted
> down at times.  Insulted.  But never knocked off.
>
>   Sometimes when I am trolling, I touch a nerve.  I can switch to
> either side of an argument at will for fun.
>
>   With the exception of being a Clinton supporter.  Just cannot make
> myself go there.
>
>   From: That One Guy /sarcasm
>
>   Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 7:47 PM
>   To: af@afmug.com
>
>   Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?
>
>   just fyi if jaime gets knocked off the list, im taking my toys and
> going home
>
>   in 4 years hes going to be showing us pictures of tecate and some
> insanely tasty looking crow anyway :-)
>
>
>   On Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 4:57 PM, Jaime Solorza <
> losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I don't buy that... Respect your opinion but I don't buy that 63
> list...
>
> I have no confidence in Trump... I think he is bad for our
> country...  I will not change my mind.  If you want to knock me off list...
> It's cool... I have always remained true to my beliefs.   My last post on
> this one...
>
> On Jan 22, 2017 3:50 PM, "Josh Reynolds" 
> wrote:
>
>   Have you ever looked at the list of people killed who were
> involved in some way with the JFK assassination?
>
>   On Jan 22, 2017 4:34 PM, "Chuck McCown" 

Re: [AFMUG] OT Calories

[chuck]

This article is really saying you can’t out run a bad diet.  
If you are fat, you eat too much.  

Being active or not, you burn about the same calories.
Being active means taking the stairs, perhaps working out a bit.  

Not running a marathon.  Those calories have to be replaced.  
I heard a talk from a guy that did 7 marathons in 7 states in 7 days.
His biggest problem was stuffing down enough calories.  

From: Gino Villarini 
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2017 12:00 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Calories

Huhh.. Interesting… but that doesn't explain then how body builders and tri 
athletes eat 5k and 10k daily diets and are fit AF… 

From: Af  on behalf of Chuck McCown 
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
Date: Monday, January 23, 2017 at 2:52 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Calories





  Gino Villarini
 
  President 
  Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 




More than 300 participants wore accelerometers similar to a Fitbit or other 
fitness tracker 24 hours a day for an entire week while their daily energy 
expenditure was measured with doubly labeled water. We found that daily 
physical activity, tracked by the accelerometers, was only weakly related to 
metabolism. On average, couch potatoes tended to spend about 200 fewer calories 
each day than people who were moderately active: the kind of folks who get some 
exercise during the week and make a point to take the stairs. But more 
important, energy expenditure plateaued at higher activity levels: people with 
the most intensely active daily lives burned the same number of calories each 
day as those with moderately active lives. The same phenomenon keeping Hadza 
energy expenditure in line with that of other populations was evident among 
individuals in the study.

From: ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2017 11:49 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT Calories

The new issue of scientific american shows that hunter gatherers expend the 
same amount of calories per mass as me sitting at a computer.

“But a funny thing happened on the way to the isotope ratio mass spectrometer. 
When the analyses came back from Baylor, the Hadza looked like everyone else. 
Hadza men ate and burned about 2,600 calories a day, Hadza women about 1,900 
calories a day—the same as adults in the U.S. or Europe. We looked at the data 
every way imaginable, accounting for effects of body size, fat percentage, age 
and sex. No difference. How was it possible? What were we missing? What else 
were we getting wrong about human biology and evolution?”

Part way through the article...

Re: [AFMUG] OT Calories

[Adam Moffett]

Link?  You say "calories per mass", but the paragraph shows absolute 
values of Calories.
A fatty like me probably uses more calories just to keep my fat cells 
fed with blood and cart my butt to the bathroom.  So calories per mass 
makes sense to me.


It's hard to understand the mechanics of using the same energy to 
perform signficantly more (or less) work.  A Calorie (big C, 
kilocalorie) is close to a Watthour, so imagine how many watthours it 
might take to hunt and gather.



-- Original Message --
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 1/23/2017 1:49:39 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] OT Calories

The new issue of scientific american shows that hunter gatherers expend 
the same amount of calories per mass as me sitting at a computer.


“But a funny thing happened on the way to the isotope ratio mass 
spectrometer. When the analyses came back from Baylor, the Hadza looked 
like everyone else. Hadza men ate and burned about 2,600 calories a 
day, Hadza women about 1,900 calories a day—the same as adults in the 
U.S. or Europe. We looked at the data every way imaginable, accounting 
for effects of body size, fat percentage, age and sex. No difference. 
How was it possible? What were we missing? What else were we getting 
wrong about human biology and evolution?”


Part way through the article...

Re: [AFMUG] OT Calories

[Gino Villarini]

Huhh.. Interesting… but that doesn't explain then how body builders and tri 
athletes eat 5k and 10k daily diets and are fit AF…

From: Af > on behalf of Chuck 
McCown >
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
>
Date: Monday, January 23, 2017 at 2:52 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Calories




Gino Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

[cid:aeronet-logo_310cfc3e-6691-4f69-bd49-b37b834b9238.png]

More than 300 participants wore accelerometers similar to a Fitbit or other 
fitness tracker 24 hours a day for an entire week while their daily energy 
expenditure was measured with doubly labeled water. We found that daily 
physical activity, tracked by the accelerometers, was only weakly related to 
metabolism. On average, couch potatoes tended to spend about 200 fewer calories 
each day than people who were moderately active: the kind of folks who get some 
exercise during the week and make a point to take the stairs. But more 
important, energy expenditure plateaued at higher activity levels: people with 
the most intensely active daily lives burned the same number of calories each 
day as those with moderately active lives. The same phenomenon keeping Hadza 
energy expenditure in line with that of other populations was evident among 
individuals in the study.

From: ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2017 11:49 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] OT Calories

The new issue of scientific american shows that hunter gatherers expend the 
same amount of calories per mass as me sitting at a computer.

“But a funny thing happened on the way to the isotope ratio mass spectrometer. 
When the analyses came back from Baylor, the Hadza looked like everyone else. 
Hadza men ate and burned about 2,600 calories a day, Hadza women about 1,900 
calories a day—the same as adults in the U.S. or Europe. We looked at the data 
every way imaginable, accounting for effects of body size, fat percentage, age 
and sex. No difference. How was it possible? What were we missing? What else 
were we getting wrong about human biology and evolution?”

Part way through the article...

Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

better be capricorn

On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 12:56 PM, Christopher Tyler <
ch...@totalhighspeed.net> wrote:

> What's the astrological sign for a**hole?
> (written in good humor of course)
>
> --
> Christopher Tyler
> MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE
> Total Highspeed Internet Services
> 417.851.1107
>
> - Original Message -
> From: ch...@wbmfg.com
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Monday, January 23, 2017 12:47:13 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?
>
> It has to look like a hot chick, that’s all I’m sayin’ about that
>
> From: Bill Prince
> Sent: Monday, January 23, 2017 11:35 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?
>
> I've also heard tell that Geminis are bisexual.
>
>
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 1/23/2017 10:30 AM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
>
>   From Wikipedia...
>
>
>   I think it is fairly accurate !
>
>
>   :)
>
>
>
>   ---
>
>   Astrologers believe Geminis have a volatile temperament, that their
> strength however is their versatility, and that their versatility allows
> them to learn a little about everything and develop skills in many areas.
> Geminis are considered to hold mysteriously unique artistic and creative
> abilities unlike other signs. Often considered to be very intelligent
> individuals, they have a wide appreciation for the arts, philosophy,
> history and the natural sciences. They do not like boring people or routine
> procedures and therefore struggle to deal with authoritative figures. They
> are enlightened to talk about any subject which they find interesting and
> where they can stimulate their naturally intellectual personalities.
> Geminis are noted to be drastic and hasty yet very responsible and
> disciplined. They are considered to be the most misunderstood of all signs
> due to their dual personality expressed by the twins of their sign. Because
> of this, don't be surprised to often find Geminis in different moods and
> therefore mood swings can occur often for Geminis because of their high
> degree of mental processing and thinking. This makes them quite
> philosophical people. Geminis are sensitive as well but use their high
> intelligence to counter anything that upsets them
>   ==
>
>
>   Faisal Imtiaz
>   Snappy Internet & Telecom
>   7266 SW 48 Street
>   Miami, FL 33155
>   Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
>   Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
>
> 
> --
>
> From: ch...@wbmfg.com
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Monday, January 23, 2017 1:18:16 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?
>
> Well June 21
> Perhaps
>
> From: Faisal Imtiaz
>
> Sent: Monday, January 23, 2017 10:47 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?
>
> >Sometimes when I am trolling, I touch a nerve.  I can switch to
> either side of an argument at will for fun.
>
>
> Are you a Gemini by any chance ?
>
>
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
>
> 
> 
>
>   From: ch...@wbmfg.com
>   To: af@afmug.com
>   Sent: Monday, January 23, 2017 12:14:54 PM
>   Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?
>
>   I don’t think anyone has ever been knocked off the list.  Shouted
> down at times.  Insulted.  But never knocked off.
>
>   Sometimes when I am trolling, I touch a nerve.  I can switch to
> either side of an argument at will for fun.
>
>   With the exception of being a Clinton supporter.  Just cannot make
> myself go there.
>
>   From: That One Guy /sarcasm
>
>   Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 7:47 PM
>   To: af@afmug.com
>
>   Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?
>
>   just fyi if jaime gets knocked off the list, im taking my toys and
> going home
>
>   in 4 years hes going to be showing us pictures of tecate and some
> insanely tasty looking crow anyway :-)
>
>
>   On Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 4:57 PM, Jaime Solorza <
> losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I don't buy that... Respect your opinion but I don't buy that 63
> list...
>
> I have no confidence in Trump... I think he is bad for our
> country...  I will not change my mind.  If you want to knock me off list...
> It's cool... I have always remained true to my beliefs.   My last post on
> this one...
>
> On Jan 22, 2017 3:50 PM, "Josh Reynolds" 
> wrote:
>
>   Have you ever looked at the list of people killed who were
> involved in some way with the JFK assassination?
>
>   On Jan 22, 2017 4:34 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>
> One thing is for 

Re: [AFMUG] OT Calories

[Josh Reynolds]

Google "myostatin mice"

On Jan 23, 2017 12:52 PM,  wrote:

> More than 300 participants wore accelerometers similar to a Fitbit or
> other fitness tracker 24 hours a day for an entire week while their daily
> energy expenditure was measured with doubly labeled water. We found that
> daily physical activity, tracked by the accelerometers, was only weakly
> related to metabolism. On average, couch potatoes tended to spend about 200
> fewer calories each day than people who were moderately active: the kind of
> folks who get some exercise during the week and make a point to take the
> stairs. But more important, energy expenditure plateaued at higher activity
> levels: people with the most intensely active daily lives burned the same
> number of calories each day as those with moderately active lives. The same
> phenomenon keeping Hadza energy expenditure in line with that of other
> populations was evident among individuals in the study.
>
> *From:* ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Monday, January 23, 2017 11:49 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT Calories
>
> The new issue of scientific american shows that hunter gatherers expend
> the same amount of calories per mass as me sitting at a computer.
>
> “But a funny thing happened on the way to the isotope ratio mass
> spectrometer. When the analyses came back from Baylor, the Hadza looked
> like everyone else. Hadza men ate and burned about 2,600 calories a day,
> Hadza women about 1,900 calories a day—the same as adults in the U.S. or
> Europe. We looked at the data every way imaginable, accounting for effects
> of body size, fat percentage, age and sex. No difference. How was it
> possible? What were we missing? What else were we getting wrong about human
> biology and evolution?”
>
> Part way through the article...
>

Re: [AFMUG] radwin jet vs 450m

[Gino Villarini]

Of course, neither the Radwin Jet

From: Af > on behalf of Josh 
Reynolds >
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
>
Date: Monday, January 23, 2017 at 2:33 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] radwin jet vs 450m

Not to a single end point




Gino Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

[cid:aeronet-logo_310cfc3e-6691-4f69-bd49-b37b834b9238.png]

On Jan 23, 2017 12:26 PM, "Gino Villarini" 
> wrote:
450m can do 500mbps  in 20 mhz…

From: Af > on behalf of Joe 
Novak >
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
>
Date: Monday, January 23, 2017 at 2:10 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] radwin jet vs 450m

750mbit w/ 80mhz channels per 
http://www.radwin.com/contentManagment/uploadedFiles/Brochures/RW5000-Web-Brochure.pdf

I've read of other operators considering Radwin for business to business sales. 
I've been meaning to look deeper into it but have not yet. I won't be able to 
use 80mhz channels anywhere I need capacity.





Gino Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

[cid:aeronet-logo_310cfc3e-6691-4f69-bd49-b37b834b9238.png]

On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 12:05 PM, Dev 
> wrote:
I read that the Radwin Jet PtMP AP does 750Mbit aggregate and has beam 
steering, subs look stupid expensive (if I’m looking at the right units), 
anyone know the performance/other comparison between that and the Cambium 450m? 
They both look pretty tasty…which would you deploy and why?

Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?

[Christopher Tyler]

What's the astrological sign for a**hole?
(written in good humor of course)

-- 
Christopher Tyler 
MTCRE/MTCNA/MTCTCE/MTCWE 
Total Highspeed Internet Services 
417.851.1107

- Original Message -
From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2017 12:47:13 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?

It has to look like a hot chick, that’s all I’m sayin’ about that

From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2017 11:35 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?

I've also heard tell that Geminis are bisexual.



bp


On 1/23/2017 10:30 AM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:

  From Wikipedia... 


  I think it is fairly accurate ! 


  :)



  ---

  Astrologers believe Geminis have a volatile temperament, that their strength 
however is their versatility, and that their versatility allows them to learn a 
little about everything and develop skills in many areas. Geminis are 
considered to hold mysteriously unique artistic and creative abilities unlike 
other signs. Often considered to be very intelligent individuals, they have a 
wide appreciation for the arts, philosophy, history and the natural sciences. 
They do not like boring people or routine procedures and therefore struggle to 
deal with authoritative figures. They are enlightened to talk about any subject 
which they find interesting and where they can stimulate their naturally 
intellectual personalities. Geminis are noted to be drastic and hasty yet very 
responsible and disciplined. They are considered to be the most misunderstood 
of all signs due to their dual personality expressed by the twins of their 
sign. Because of this, don't be surprised to often find Geminis in different 
moods and therefore mood swings can occur often for Geminis because of their 
high degree of mental processing and thinking. This makes them quite 
philosophical people. Geminis are sensitive as well but use their high 
intelligence to counter anything that upsets them
  ==


  Faisal Imtiaz
  Snappy Internet & Telecom
  7266 SW 48 Street
  Miami, FL 33155
  Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

  Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net


--

From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2017 1:18:16 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?

Well June 21
Perhaps

From: Faisal Imtiaz

Sent: Monday, January 23, 2017 10:47 AM
To: af@afmug.com

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?

>Sometimes when I am trolling, I touch a nerve.  I can switch to either 
side of an argument at will for fun.


Are you a Gemini by any chance ?



Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net




  From: ch...@wbmfg.com
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Monday, January 23, 2017 12:14:54 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?

  I don’t think anyone has ever been knocked off the list.  Shouted down at 
times.  Insulted.  But never knocked off.  

  Sometimes when I am trolling, I touch a nerve.  I can switch to either 
side of an argument at will for fun.

  With the exception of being a Clinton supporter.  Just cannot make myself 
go there.

  From: That One Guy /sarcasm

  Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 7:47 PM
  To: af@afmug.com

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?

  just fyi if jaime gets knocked off the list, im taking my toys and going 
home 

  in 4 years hes going to be showing us pictures of tecate and some 
insanely tasty looking crow anyway :-)


  On Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 4:57 PM, Jaime Solorza 
 wrote:

I don't buy that... Respect your opinion but I don't buy that 63 
list...  

I have no confidence in Trump... I think he is bad for our country...  
I will not change my mind.  If you want to knock me off list... It's cool... I 
have always remained true to my beliefs.   My last post on this one...

On Jan 22, 2017 3:50 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:

  Have you ever looked at the list of people killed who were involved 
in some way with the JFK assassination?

  On Jan 22, 2017 4:34 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

One thing is for certain, absolute inarguable fact, these 63 people 
are as dead as you can get and all of them either spilled the beans on the 
Clintons or had information that could harm the Clintons.

So, if you want to talk ethics and morals of Trump, I have not yet 
heard of anyone he had whacked.  Maybe he is just better at doing 

Re: [AFMUG] OT Calories

[chuck]

More than 300 participants wore accelerometers similar to a Fitbit or other 
fitness tracker 24 hours a day for an entire week while their daily energy 
expenditure was measured with doubly labeled water. We found that daily 
physical activity, tracked by the accelerometers, was only weakly related to 
metabolism. On average, couch potatoes tended to spend about 200 fewer calories 
each day than people who were moderately active: the kind of folks who get some 
exercise during the week and make a point to take the stairs. But more 
important, energy expenditure plateaued at higher activity levels: people with 
the most intensely active daily lives burned the same number of calories each 
day as those with moderately active lives. The same phenomenon keeping Hadza 
energy expenditure in line with that of other populations was evident among 
individuals in the study.

From: ch...@wbmfg.com 
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2017 11:49 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT Calories

The new issue of scientific american shows that hunter gatherers expend the 
same amount of calories per mass as me sitting at a computer.

“But a funny thing happened on the way to the isotope ratio mass spectrometer. 
When the analyses came back from Baylor, the Hadza looked like everyone else. 
Hadza men ate and burned about 2,600 calories a day, Hadza women about 1,900 
calories a day—the same as adults in the U.S. or Europe. We looked at the data 
every way imaginable, accounting for effects of body size, fat percentage, age 
and sex. No difference. How was it possible? What were we missing? What else 
were we getting wrong about human biology and evolution?”

Part way through the article...

[AFMUG] OT Calories

[chuck]

The new issue of scientific american shows that hunter gatherers expend the 
same amount of calories per mass as me sitting at a computer.

“But a funny thing happened on the way to the isotope ratio mass spectrometer. 
When the analyses came back from Baylor, the Hadza looked like everyone else. 
Hadza men ate and burned about 2,600 calories a day, Hadza women about 1,900 
calories a day—the same as adults in the U.S. or Europe. We looked at the data 
every way imaginable, accounting for effects of body size, fat percentage, age 
and sex. No difference. How was it possible? What were we missing? What else 
were we getting wrong about human biology and evolution?”

Part way through the article...

Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?

[chuck]

It has to look like a hot chick, that’s all I’m sayin’ about that

From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2017 11:35 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?

I've also heard tell that Geminis are bisexual.



bp


On 1/23/2017 10:30 AM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:

  From Wikipedia... 


  I think it is fairly accurate ! 


  :)



  ---

  Astrologers believe Geminis have a volatile temperament, that their strength 
however is their versatility, and that their versatility allows them to learn a 
little about everything and develop skills in many areas. Geminis are 
considered to hold mysteriously unique artistic and creative abilities unlike 
other signs. Often considered to be very intelligent individuals, they have a 
wide appreciation for the arts, philosophy, history and the natural sciences. 
They do not like boring people or routine procedures and therefore struggle to 
deal with authoritative figures. They are enlightened to talk about any subject 
which they find interesting and where they can stimulate their naturally 
intellectual personalities. Geminis are noted to be drastic and hasty yet very 
responsible and disciplined. They are considered to be the most misunderstood 
of all signs due to their dual personality expressed by the twins of their 
sign. Because of this, don't be surprised to often find Geminis in different 
moods and therefore mood swings can occur often for Geminis because of their 
high degree of mental processing and thinking. This makes them quite 
philosophical people. Geminis are sensitive as well but use their high 
intelligence to counter anything that upsets them
  ==


  Faisal Imtiaz
  Snappy Internet & Telecom
  7266 SW 48 Street
  Miami, FL 33155
  Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

  Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net


--

From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2017 1:18:16 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?

Well June 21
Perhaps

From: Faisal Imtiaz

Sent: Monday, January 23, 2017 10:47 AM
To: af@afmug.com

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?

>Sometimes when I am trolling, I touch a nerve.  I can switch to either 
side of an argument at will for fun.


Are you a Gemini by any chance ?



Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net




  From: ch...@wbmfg.com
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Monday, January 23, 2017 12:14:54 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?

  I don’t think anyone has ever been knocked off the list.  Shouted down at 
times.  Insulted.  But never knocked off.  

  Sometimes when I am trolling, I touch a nerve.  I can switch to either 
side of an argument at will for fun.

  With the exception of being a Clinton supporter.  Just cannot make myself 
go there.

  From: That One Guy /sarcasm

  Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 7:47 PM
  To: af@afmug.com

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?

  just fyi if jaime gets knocked off the list, im taking my toys and going 
home 

  in 4 years hes going to be showing us pictures of tecate and some 
insanely tasty looking crow anyway :-)


  On Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 4:57 PM, Jaime Solorza 
 wrote:

I don't buy that... Respect your opinion but I don't buy that 63 
list...  

I have no confidence in Trump... I think he is bad for our country...  
I will not change my mind.  If you want to knock me off list... It's cool... I 
have always remained true to my beliefs.   My last post on this one...

On Jan 22, 2017 3:50 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:

  Have you ever looked at the list of people killed who were involved 
in some way with the JFK assassination?

  On Jan 22, 2017 4:34 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

One thing is for certain, absolute inarguable fact, these 63 people 
are as dead as you can get and all of them either spilled the beans on the 
Clintons or had information that could harm the Clintons.

So, if you want to talk ethics and morals of Trump, I have not yet 
heard of anyone he had whacked.  Maybe he is just better at doing it.
  1.. Susan Coleman: 
  2.. Larry Guerrin: 
  3.. Kevin Ives  
  4.. Don Henry: 
  5.. Keith Coney: 
  6.. Keith McKaskle: 
  7.. Gregory Collins: 
  8.. Jeff Rhodes: 
  9.. James Milam: 
  10.. Richard 

Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?

[Bill Prince]

I've also heard tell that Geminis are bisexual.


bp


On 1/23/2017 10:30 AM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:

From Wikipedia...

I think it is fairly accurate !

:)


---
Astrologers believe Geminis have a volatile temperament, that their 
strength however is their versatility, and that their versatility 
allows them to learn a little about everything and develop skills in 
many areas. Geminis are considered to hold mysteriously unique 
artistic and creative abilities unlike other signs. Often considered 
to be very intelligent individuals, they have a wide appreciation for 
the arts , philosophy 
, history 
 and the natural sciences 
. They do not like 
boring people or routine procedures and therefore struggle to deal 
with authoritative figures. They are enlightened to talk about any 
subject which they find interesting and where they can stimulate their 
naturally intellectual personalities. Geminis are noted to be drastic 
and hasty yet very responsible and disciplined. They are considered to 
be the most misunderstood of all signs due to their dual personality 
expressed by the twins  of their 
sign. Because of this, don't be surprised to often find Geminis in 
different moods and therefore mood swings can occur often for Geminis 
because of their high degree of mental processing and thinking. This 
makes them quite philosophical people. Geminis are sensitive as well 
but use their high intelligence to counter anything that upsets them

==

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net



*From: *ch...@wbmfg.com
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Monday, January 23, 2017 1:18:16 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?

Well June 21
Perhaps
*From:* Faisal Imtiaz
*Sent:* Monday, January 23, 2017 10:47 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?
>Sometimes when I am trolling, I touch a nerve.  I can switch to
either side of an argument at will for fun.
Are you a Gemini by any chance ?
Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net


*From: *ch...@wbmfg.com
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Monday, January 23, 2017 12:14:54 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?

I don’t think anyone has ever been knocked off the list. 
Shouted down at times.  Insulted.  But never knocked off.

Sometimes when I am trolling, I touch a nerve.  I can switch
to either side of an argument at will for fun.
With the exception of being a Clinton supporter.  Just cannot
make myself go there.
*From:* That One Guy /sarcasm
*Sent:* Sunday, January 22, 2017 7:47 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?
just fyi if jaime gets knocked off the list, im taking my toys
and going home
in 4 years hes going to be showing us pictures of tecate and
some insanely tasty looking crow anyway :-)
On Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 4:57 PM, Jaime Solorza
 wrote:

I don't buy that... Respect your opinion but I don't buy
that 63 list...
I have no confidence in Trump... I think he is bad for our
country...  I will not change my mind.  If you want to
knock me off list... It's cool... I have always remained
true to my beliefs.   My last post on this one...
On Jan 22, 2017 3:50 PM, "Josh Reynolds"
 wrote:

Have you ever looked at the list of people killed who
were involved in some way with the JFK assassination?
On Jan 22, 2017 4:34 PM, "Chuck McCown"
 wrote:

One thing is for certain, absolute inarguable
fact, these 63 people are as dead as you can get
and all of them either spilled the beans on the
Clintons or had information that could harm the
Clintons.
So, if you want to talk ethics and morals of
Trump, I have not yet heard of anyone he had
whacked. Maybe he is just better at doing it.

 1. 

Re: [AFMUG] radwin jet vs 450m

[Josh Reynolds]

Not to a single end point

On Jan 23, 2017 12:26 PM, "Gino Villarini"  wrote:

> 450m can do 500mbps  in 20 mhz…
>
> From: Af  on behalf of Joe Novak 
> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Date: Monday, January 23, 2017 at 2:10 PM
> To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] radwin jet vs 450m
>
> 750mbit w/ 80mhz channels per http://www.radwin.com/contentManagment/
> uploadedFiles/Brochures/RW5000-Web-Brochure.pdf
>
> I've read of other operators considering Radwin for business to business
> sales. I've been meaning to look deeper into it but have not yet. I won't
> be able to use 80mhz channels anywhere I need capacity.
>
>
>
>
> *Gino Villarini*
> President
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>
> On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 12:05 PM, Dev  wrote:
>
>> I read that the Radwin Jet PtMP AP does 750Mbit aggregate and has beam
>> steering, subs look stupid expensive (if I’m looking at the right units),
>> anyone know the performance/other comparison between that and the Cambium
>> 450m? They both look pretty tasty…which would you deploy and why?
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?

[Faisal Imtiaz]

>From Wikipedia... 

I think it is fairly accurate ! 

:) 

--- 
Astrologers believe Geminis have a volatile temperament, that their strength 
however is their versatility, and that their versatility allows them to learn a 
little about everything and develop skills in many areas. Geminis are 
considered to hold mysteriously unique artistic and creative abilities unlike 
other signs. Often considered to be very intelligent individuals, they have a 
wide appreciation for the arts , philosophy , history and the natural sciences 
. They do not like boring people or routine procedures and therefore struggle 
to deal with authoritative figures. They are enlightened to talk about any 
subject which they find interesting and where they can stimulate their 
naturally intellectual personalities. Geminis are noted to be drastic and hasty 
yet very responsible and disciplined. They are considered to be the most 
misunderstood of all signs due to their dual personality expressed by the twins 
of their sign. Because of this, don't be surprised to often find Geminis in 
different moods and therefore mood swings can occur often for Geminis because 
of their high degree of mental processing and thinking. This makes them quite 
philosophical people. Geminis are sensitive as well but use their high 
intelligence to counter anything that upsets them 
== 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: ch...@wbmfg.com
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Monday, January 23, 2017 1:18:16 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?

> Well June 21
> Perhaps
> From: Faisal Imtiaz
> Sent: Monday, January 23, 2017 10:47 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?
>>Sometimes when I am trolling, I touch a nerve. I can switch to either side of 
>>an
> >argument at will for fun.
> Are you a Gemini by any chance ?
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

>> From: ch...@wbmfg.com
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: Monday, January 23, 2017 12:14:54 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?

>> I don’t think anyone has ever been knocked off the list. Shouted down at 
>> times.
>> Insulted. But never knocked off.
>> Sometimes when I am trolling, I touch a nerve. I can switch to either side 
>> of an
>> argument at will for fun.
>> With the exception of being a Clinton supporter. Just cannot make myself go
>> there.
>> From: That One Guy /sarcasm
>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 7:47 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?
>> just fyi if jaime gets knocked off the list, im taking my toys and going home
>> in 4 years hes going to be showing us pictures of tecate and some insanely 
>> tasty
>> looking crow anyway :-)
>> On Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 4:57 PM, Jaime Solorza < losguyswirel...@gmail.com >
>> wrote:

>>> I don't buy that... Respect your opinion but I don't buy that 63 list...
>>> I have no confidence in Trump... I think he is bad for our country... I 
>>> will not
>>> change my mind. If you want to knock me off list... It's cool... I have 
>>> always
>>> remained true to my beliefs. My last post on this one...
>>> On Jan 22, 2017 3:50 PM, "Josh Reynolds" < j...@kyneticwifi.com > wrote:

 Have you ever looked at the list of people killed who were involved in 
 some way
 with the JFK assassination?
 On Jan 22, 2017 4:34 PM, "Chuck McCown" < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote:

> One thing is for certain, absolute inarguable fact, these 63 people are 
> as dead
> as you can get and all of them either spilled the beans on the Clintons 
> or had
> information that could harm the Clintons.
> So, if you want to talk ethics and morals of Trump, I have not yet heard 
> of
> anyone he had whacked. Maybe he is just better at doing it.

> 1. Susan Coleman:
> 2. Larry Guerrin:
> 3. Kevin Ives
> 4. Don Henry:
> 5. Keith Coney:
> 6. Keith McKaskle:
> 7. Gregory Collins:
> 8. Jeff Rhodes:
> 9. James Milam:
> 10. Richard Winters:
> 11. Jordan Kettleson:
> 12. Alan Standorf:
> 13. Dennis Eisman: .
> 14. Danny Casalaro:
> 15. Victor Raiser:
> 16. R. Montgomery Raiser:
> 17. Paul Tully:
> 18. Ian Spiro:
> 19. Paula Gober:
> 20. Jim Wilhite:
> 21. Steve Willis,
> 22. Robert Williams,
> 23. Todd McKeahan
> 24. Conway LeBleu:
> 25. Sgt. Brian Haney,
> 26. Sgt. Tim Sabel,
> 27. Maj. William Barkley,
> 28. Capt. Scott Reynolds:
> 29. John Crawford:
> 30. John Wilson:
> 31. 

Re: [AFMUG] radwin jet vs 450m

[Gino Villarini]

450m can do 500mbps  in 20 mhz…

From: Af > on behalf of Joe 
Novak >
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
>
Date: Monday, January 23, 2017 at 2:10 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] radwin jet vs 450m

750mbit w/ 80mhz channels per 
http://www.radwin.com/contentManagment/uploadedFiles/Brochures/RW5000-Web-Brochure.pdf

I've read of other operators considering Radwin for business to business sales. 
I've been meaning to look deeper into it but have not yet. I won't be able to 
use 80mhz channels anywhere I need capacity.





Gino Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

[cid:aeronet-logo_310cfc3e-6691-4f69-bd49-b37b834b9238.png]

On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 12:05 PM, Dev 
> wrote:
I read that the Radwin Jet PtMP AP does 750Mbit aggregate and has beam 
steering, subs look stupid expensive (if I’m looking at the right units), 
anyone know the performance/other comparison between that and the Cambium 450m? 
They both look pretty tasty…which would you deploy and why?

Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?

[chuck]

Well June 21
Perhaps

From: Faisal Imtiaz 
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2017 10:47 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?

>Sometimes when I am trolling, I touch a nerve.  I can switch to either side of 
>an argument at will for fun.


Are you a Gemini by any chance ?



Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net




  From: ch...@wbmfg.com
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Monday, January 23, 2017 12:14:54 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?

  I don’t think anyone has ever been knocked off the list.  Shouted down at 
times.  Insulted.  But never knocked off.   

  Sometimes when I am trolling, I touch a nerve.  I can switch to either side 
of an argument at will for fun. 

  With the exception of being a Clinton supporter.  Just cannot make myself go 
there. 

  From: That One Guy /sarcasm

  Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 7:47 PM
  To: af@afmug.com

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?

  just fyi if jaime gets knocked off the list, im taking my toys and going home 

  in 4 years hes going to be showing us pictures of tecate and some insanely 
tasty looking crow anyway :-)


  On Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 4:57 PM, Jaime Solorza  
wrote:

I don't buy that... Respect your opinion but I don't buy that 63 list...  

I have no confidence in Trump... I think he is bad for our country...  I 
will not change my mind.  If you want to knock me off list... It's cool... I 
have always remained true to my beliefs.   My last post on this one...

On Jan 22, 2017 3:50 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:

  Have you ever looked at the list of people killed who were involved in 
some way with the JFK assassination?

  On Jan 22, 2017 4:34 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

One thing is for certain, absolute inarguable fact, these 63 people are 
as dead as you can get and all of them either spilled the beans on the Clintons 
or had information that could harm the Clintons. 

So, if you want to talk ethics and morals of Trump, I have not yet 
heard of anyone he had whacked.  Maybe he is just better at doing it. 
  1.. Susan Coleman: 
  2.. Larry Guerrin: 
  3.. Kevin Ives  
  4.. Don Henry: 
  5.. Keith Coney: 
  6.. Keith McKaskle: 
  7.. Gregory Collins: 
  8.. Jeff Rhodes: 
  9.. James Milam: 
  10.. Richard Winters: 
  11.. Jordan Kettleson: 
  12.. Alan Standorf: 
  13.. Dennis Eisman: . 
  14.. Danny Casalaro: 
  15.. Victor Raiser: 
  16.. R. Montgomery Raiser: 
  17.. Paul Tully: 
  18.. Ian Spiro: 
  19.. Paula Gober: 
  20.. Jim Wilhite: 
  21.. Steve Willis, 
  22.. Robert Williams, 
  23.. Todd McKeahan 
  24.. Conway LeBleu:   
  25.. Sgt. Brian Haney, 
  26.. Sgt. Tim Sabel, 
  27.. Maj. William Barkley, 
  28.. Capt. Scott Reynolds: 
  29.. John Crawford: 
  30.. John Wilson: 
  31.. Paul Wilcher: 
  32.. Vincent Foster: 
  33.. Jon Parnell Walker: 
  34.. Stanley Heard 
  35.. Steven Dickson: 
  36.. Jerry Luther Parks: 
  37.. Ed Willey: 
  38.. Gandy Baugh: 
  39.. Herschell Friday: 
  40.. Ronald Rogers: 
  41.. Kathy Furguson: 
  42.. Bill Shelton: 
  43.. Stanley Huggins: 
  44.. Paul Olson: 
  45.. Calvin Walraven: 
  46.. Alan G. Whicher: 
  47.. Duane Garrett: 
  48.. Ron Brown:. 
  49.. Charles Meissner: 
  50.. William Colby: 
  51.. Admiral Jeremy Boorda: 
  52.. Lance Herndon: 
  53.. Neil Moody: 
  54.. Barbara Wise: 
  55.. Doug Adams: 
  56.. Mary C. Mahoney: 
  57.. Ronald Miller: 
  58.. Sandy Hume: 
  59.. Jim McDougal: 
  60.. Johnny Lawhon: 
  61.. Charles Wilbourne Miller: 
  62.. Carlos Ghigliotti: 
  63.. Tony Moser: 

From: Josh Reynolds
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 2:41 PM
To: af@afmug.com

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?

He also ran a lot of less than ethical schemes to make his money. Some 
were legal, some were not. You may consider that smart, and that's your right. 
I do not.

On Jan 22, 2017 2:53 PM, "Jon Langeler"  
wrote:

He had money, knew to hire the right people, and made good decisions. 
Historically that's not been common in politics. It's always been mostly 
'spenders'


Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.


On Jan 22, 

Re: [AFMUG] radwin jet vs 450m

[Joe Novak]

750mbit w/ 80mhz channels per
http://www.radwin.com/contentManagment/uploadedFiles/Brochures/RW5000-Web-Brochure.pdf

I've read of other operators considering Radwin for business to business
sales. I've been meaning to look deeper into it but have not yet. I won't
be able to use 80mhz channels anywhere I need capacity.


On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 12:05 PM, Dev  wrote:

> I read that the Radwin Jet PtMP AP does 750Mbit aggregate and has beam
> steering, subs look stupid expensive (if I’m looking at the right units),
> anyone know the performance/other comparison between that and the Cambium
> 450m? They both look pretty tasty…which would you deploy and why?
>

[AFMUG] radwin jet vs 450m

[Dev]

I read that the Radwin Jet PtMP AP does 750Mbit aggregate and has beam 
steering, subs look stupid expensive (if I’m looking at the right units), 
anyone know the performance/other comparison between that and the Cambium 450m? 
They both look pretty tasty…which would you deploy and why?

[AFMUG] new 450m subs?

[Dev]

Anyone have an update on the availability of the 450m sub version that’s like 
the epmp200? I thought I remember hearing Q1 sometime? Pricing?

Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?

[Faisal Imtiaz]

>Sometimes when I am trolling, I touch a nerve. I can switch to either side of 
>an argument at will for fun. 

Are you a Gemini by any chance ? 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: ch...@wbmfg.com
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Monday, January 23, 2017 12:14:54 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?

> I don’t think anyone has ever been knocked off the list. Shouted down at 
> times.
> Insulted. But never knocked off.
> Sometimes when I am trolling, I touch a nerve. I can switch to either side of 
> an
> argument at will for fun.
> With the exception of being a Clinton supporter. Just cannot make myself go
> there.

> From: That One Guy /sarcasm
> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 7:47 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?
> just fyi if jaime gets knocked off the list, im taking my toys and going home
> in 4 years hes going to be showing us pictures of tecate and some insanely 
> tasty
> looking crow anyway :-)
> On Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 4:57 PM, Jaime Solorza < losguyswirel...@gmail.com >
> wrote:

>> I don't buy that... Respect your opinion but I don't buy that 63 list...
>> I have no confidence in Trump... I think he is bad for our country... I will 
>> not
>> change my mind. If you want to knock me off list... It's cool... I have 
>> always
>> remained true to my beliefs. My last post on this one...
>> On Jan 22, 2017 3:50 PM, "Josh Reynolds" < j...@kyneticwifi.com > wrote:

>>> Have you ever looked at the list of people killed who were involved in some 
>>> way
>>> with the JFK assassination?
>>> On Jan 22, 2017 4:34 PM, "Chuck McCown" < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote:

 One thing is for certain, absolute inarguable fact, these 63 people are as 
 dead
 as you can get and all of them either spilled the beans on the Clintons or 
 had
 information that could harm the Clintons.
 So, if you want to talk ethics and morals of Trump, I have not yet heard of
 anyone he had whacked. Maybe he is just better at doing it.

 1. Susan Coleman:
 2. Larry Guerrin:
 3. Kevin Ives
 4. Don Henry:
 5. Keith Coney:
 6. Keith McKaskle:
 7. Gregory Collins:
 8. Jeff Rhodes:
 9. James Milam:
 10. Richard Winters:
 11. Jordan Kettleson:
 12. Alan Standorf:
 13. Dennis Eisman: .
 14. Danny Casalaro:
 15. Victor Raiser:
 16. R. Montgomery Raiser:
 17. Paul Tully:
 18. Ian Spiro:
 19. Paula Gober:
 20. Jim Wilhite:
 21. Steve Willis,
 22. Robert Williams,
 23. Todd McKeahan
 24. Conway LeBleu:
 25. Sgt. Brian Haney,
 26. Sgt. Tim Sabel,
 27. Maj. William Barkley,
 28. Capt. Scott Reynolds:
 29. John Crawford:
 30. John Wilson:
 31. Paul Wilcher:
 32. Vincent Foster:
 33. Jon Parnell Walker:
 34. Stanley Heard
 35. Steven Dickson:
 36. Jerry Luther Parks:
 37. Ed Willey:
 38. Gandy Baugh:
 39. Herschell Friday:
 40. Ronald Rogers:
 41. Kathy Furguson:
 42. Bill Shelton:
 43. Stanley Huggins:
 44. Paul Olson:
 45. Calvin Walraven:
 46. Alan G. Whicher:
 47. Duane Garrett:
 48. Ron Brown:.
 49. Charles Meissner:
 50. William Colby:
 51. Admiral Jeremy Boorda:
 52. Lance Herndon:
 53. Neil Moody:
 54. Barbara Wise:
 55. Doug Adams:
 56. Mary C. Mahoney:
 57. Ronald Miller:
 58. Sandy Hume:
 59. Jim McDougal:
 60. Johnny Lawhon:
 61. Charles Wilbourne Miller:
 62. Carlos Ghigliotti:
 63. Tony Moser:
 From: Josh Reynolds
 Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 2:41 PM
 To: af@afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?
 He also ran a lot of less than ethical schemes to make his money. Some were
 legal, some were not. You may consider that smart, and that's your right. 
 I do
 not.
 On Jan 22, 2017 2:53 PM, "Jon Langeler" < jon-ispli...@michwave.net > 
 wrote:
 He had money, knew to hire the right people, and made good decisions.
 Historically that's not been common in politics. It's always been mostly
 'spenders'
 Jon Langeler
 Michwave Technologies, Inc.
 On Jan 22, 2017, at 3:20 PM, Josh Reynolds < j...@kyneticwifi.com > wrote:
 Net worth is in no way an indicator of intelligence. In fact, it often 
 happens
 by accident, or in spite of intelligence.
 On Jan 22, 2017 2:00 PM, "Jon Langeler" < jon-ispli...@michwave.net > 
 wrote:
 Considering his net worth he might he smarter than any of us. But if your
 looking for miracles you might be better 

Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?

[That One Guy /sarcasm]

well that escalate quickly

On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 11:21 AM, Josh Reynolds 
wrote:

> I think he was referring to another type of "knocked off"
>
> On Jan 23, 2017 11:14 AM,  wrote:
>
>> I don’t think anyone has ever been knocked off the list.  Shouted down at
>> times.  Insulted.  But never knocked off.
>>
>> Sometimes when I am trolling, I touch a nerve.  I can switch to either
>> side of an argument at will for fun.
>>
>> With the exception of being a Clinton supporter.  Just cannot make myself
>> go there.
>>
>> *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm
>> *Sent:* Sunday, January 22, 2017 7:47 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?
>>
>> just fyi if jaime gets knocked off the list, im taking my toys and going
>> home
>>
>> in 4 years hes going to be showing us pictures of tecate and some
>> insanely tasty looking crow anyway :-)
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 4:57 PM, Jaime Solorza > > wrote:
>>
>>> I don't buy that... Respect your opinion but I don't buy that 63
>>> list...
>>>
>>> I have no confidence in Trump... I think he is bad for our country...  I
>>> will not change my mind.  If you want to knock me off list... It's cool...
>>> I have always remained true to my beliefs.   My last post on this one...
>>>
>>> On Jan 22, 2017 3:50 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:
>>>
>>> Have you ever looked at the list of people killed who were involved in
>>> some way with the JFK assassination?
>>>
>>> On Jan 22, 2017 4:34 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>>>
>>> One thing is for certain, absolute inarguable fact, these 63 people are
>>> as dead as you can get and all of them either spilled the beans on the
>>> Clintons or had information that could harm the Clintons.
>>>
>>> So, if you want to talk ethics and morals of Trump, I have not yet heard
>>> of anyone he had whacked.  Maybe he is just better at doing it.
>>>
>>>1. Susan Coleman:
>>>2. Larry Guerrin:
>>>3. Kevin Ives
>>>4. Don Henry:
>>>5. Keith Coney:
>>>6. Keith McKaskle:
>>>7. Gregory Collins:
>>>8. Jeff Rhodes:
>>>9. James Milam:
>>>10. Richard Winters:
>>>11. Jordan Kettleson:
>>>12. Alan Standorf:
>>>13. Dennis Eisman: .
>>>14. Danny Casalaro:
>>>15. Victor Raiser:
>>>16. R. Montgomery Raiser:
>>>17. Paul Tully:
>>>18. Ian Spiro:
>>>19. Paula Gober:
>>>20. Jim Wilhite:
>>>21. Steve Willis,
>>>22. Robert Williams,
>>>23. Todd McKeahan
>>>24. Conway LeBleu:
>>>25. Sgt. Brian Haney,
>>>26. Sgt. Tim Sabel,
>>>27. Maj. William Barkley,
>>>28. Capt. Scott Reynolds:
>>>29. John Crawford:
>>>30. John Wilson:
>>>31. Paul Wilcher:
>>>32. Vincent Foster:
>>>33. Jon Parnell Walker:
>>>34. Stanley Heard
>>>35. Steven Dickson:
>>>36. Jerry Luther Parks:
>>>37. Ed Willey:
>>>38. Gandy Baugh:
>>>39. Herschell Friday:
>>>40. Ronald Rogers:
>>>41. Kathy Furguson:
>>>42. Bill Shelton:
>>>43. Stanley Huggins:
>>>44. Paul Olson:
>>>45. Calvin Walraven:
>>>46. Alan G. Whicher:
>>>47. Duane Garrett:
>>>48. Ron Brown:.
>>>49. Charles Meissner:
>>>50. William Colby:
>>>51. Admiral Jeremy Boorda:
>>>52. Lance Herndon:
>>>53. Neil Moody:
>>>54. Barbara Wise:
>>>55. Doug Adams:
>>>56. Mary C. Mahoney:
>>>57. Ronald Miller:
>>>58. Sandy Hume:
>>>59. Jim McDougal:
>>>60. Johnny Lawhon:
>>>61. Charles Wilbourne Miller:
>>>62. Carlos Ghigliotti:
>>>63. Tony Moser:
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Josh Reynolds
>>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 2:41 PM
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?
>>>
>>> He also ran a lot of less than ethical schemes to make his money. Some
>>> were legal, some were not. You may consider that smart, and that's your
>>> right. I do not.
>>>
>>> On Jan 22, 2017 2:53 PM, "Jon Langeler" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> He had money, knew to hire the right people, and made good decisions.
>>> Historically that's not been common in politics. It's always been mostly
>>> 'spenders'
>>>
>>>
>>> Jon Langeler
>>> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jan 22, 2017, at 3:20 PM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Net worth is in no way an indicator of intelligence. In fact, it often
>>> happens by accident, or in spite of intelligence.
>>>
>>> On Jan 22, 2017 2:00 PM, "Jon Langeler" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Considering his net worth he might he smarter than any of us. But if
>>> your looking for miracles you might be better off reading the bible.
>>>
>>>
>>> Jon Langeler
>>> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jan 22, 2017, at 2:55 PM, Jaime Solorza 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Empty promises just like his brain.But it's okay to grope now
>>> Waiting for right time to do it comrades

Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?

[Josh Reynolds]

I think he was referring to another type of "knocked off"

On Jan 23, 2017 11:14 AM,  wrote:

> I don’t think anyone has ever been knocked off the list.  Shouted down at
> times.  Insulted.  But never knocked off.
>
> Sometimes when I am trolling, I touch a nerve.  I can switch to either
> side of an argument at will for fun.
>
> With the exception of being a Clinton supporter.  Just cannot make myself
> go there.
>
> *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm
> *Sent:* Sunday, January 22, 2017 7:47 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?
>
> just fyi if jaime gets knocked off the list, im taking my toys and going
> home
>
> in 4 years hes going to be showing us pictures of tecate and some insanely
> tasty looking crow anyway :-)
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 4:57 PM, Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> I don't buy that... Respect your opinion but I don't buy that 63 list...
>>
>> I have no confidence in Trump... I think he is bad for our country...  I
>> will not change my mind.  If you want to knock me off list... It's cool...
>> I have always remained true to my beliefs.   My last post on this one...
>>
>> On Jan 22, 2017 3:50 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:
>>
>> Have you ever looked at the list of people killed who were involved in
>> some way with the JFK assassination?
>>
>> On Jan 22, 2017 4:34 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>>
>> One thing is for certain, absolute inarguable fact, these 63 people are
>> as dead as you can get and all of them either spilled the beans on the
>> Clintons or had information that could harm the Clintons.
>>
>> So, if you want to talk ethics and morals of Trump, I have not yet heard
>> of anyone he had whacked.  Maybe he is just better at doing it.
>>
>>1. Susan Coleman:
>>2. Larry Guerrin:
>>3. Kevin Ives
>>4. Don Henry:
>>5. Keith Coney:
>>6. Keith McKaskle:
>>7. Gregory Collins:
>>8. Jeff Rhodes:
>>9. James Milam:
>>10. Richard Winters:
>>11. Jordan Kettleson:
>>12. Alan Standorf:
>>13. Dennis Eisman: .
>>14. Danny Casalaro:
>>15. Victor Raiser:
>>16. R. Montgomery Raiser:
>>17. Paul Tully:
>>18. Ian Spiro:
>>19. Paula Gober:
>>20. Jim Wilhite:
>>21. Steve Willis,
>>22. Robert Williams,
>>23. Todd McKeahan
>>24. Conway LeBleu:
>>25. Sgt. Brian Haney,
>>26. Sgt. Tim Sabel,
>>27. Maj. William Barkley,
>>28. Capt. Scott Reynolds:
>>29. John Crawford:
>>30. John Wilson:
>>31. Paul Wilcher:
>>32. Vincent Foster:
>>33. Jon Parnell Walker:
>>34. Stanley Heard
>>35. Steven Dickson:
>>36. Jerry Luther Parks:
>>37. Ed Willey:
>>38. Gandy Baugh:
>>39. Herschell Friday:
>>40. Ronald Rogers:
>>41. Kathy Furguson:
>>42. Bill Shelton:
>>43. Stanley Huggins:
>>44. Paul Olson:
>>45. Calvin Walraven:
>>46. Alan G. Whicher:
>>47. Duane Garrett:
>>48. Ron Brown:.
>>49. Charles Meissner:
>>50. William Colby:
>>51. Admiral Jeremy Boorda:
>>52. Lance Herndon:
>>53. Neil Moody:
>>54. Barbara Wise:
>>55. Doug Adams:
>>56. Mary C. Mahoney:
>>57. Ronald Miller:
>>58. Sandy Hume:
>>59. Jim McDougal:
>>60. Johnny Lawhon:
>>61. Charles Wilbourne Miller:
>>62. Carlos Ghigliotti:
>>63. Tony Moser:
>>
>>
>> From: Josh Reynolds
>> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 2:41 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?
>>
>> He also ran a lot of less than ethical schemes to make his money. Some
>> were legal, some were not. You may consider that smart, and that's your
>> right. I do not.
>>
>> On Jan 22, 2017 2:53 PM, "Jon Langeler" 
>> wrote:
>>
>> He had money, knew to hire the right people, and made good decisions.
>> Historically that's not been common in politics. It's always been mostly
>> 'spenders'
>>
>>
>> Jon Langeler
>> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
>>
>>
>> On Jan 22, 2017, at 3:20 PM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:
>>
>>
>> Net worth is in no way an indicator of intelligence. In fact, it often
>> happens by accident, or in spite of intelligence.
>>
>> On Jan 22, 2017 2:00 PM, "Jon Langeler" 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Considering his net worth he might he smarter than any of us. But if your
>> looking for miracles you might be better off reading the bible.
>>
>>
>> Jon Langeler
>> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
>>
>>
>> On Jan 22, 2017, at 2:55 PM, Jaime Solorza 
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Empty promises just like his brain.But it's okay to grope now
>> Waiting for right time to do it comrades
>>
>> On Jan 22, 2017 10:38 AM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:
>>
>> https://streamable.com/md28v
>>
>> I still cannot settle down with the idea that a Trump presidency is not
>> some kind of joke taken too far...
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 8:43 AM, Jaime 

Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?

[chuck]

I don’t think anyone has ever been knocked off the list.  Shouted down at 
times.  Insulted.  But never knocked off.

Sometimes when I am trolling, I touch a nerve.  I can switch to either side of 
an argument at will for fun.  

With the exception of being a Clinton supporter.  Just cannot make myself go 
there.  

From: That One Guy /sarcasm 
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 7:47 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?

just fyi if jaime gets knocked off the list, im taking my toys and going home 

in 4 years hes going to be showing us pictures of tecate and some insanely 
tasty looking crow anyway :-)


On Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 4:57 PM, Jaime Solorza  
wrote:

  I don't buy that... Respect your opinion but I don't buy that 63 list...  

  I have no confidence in Trump... I think he is bad for our country...  I will 
not change my mind.  If you want to knock me off list... It's cool... I have 
always remained true to my beliefs.   My last post on this one... 

  On Jan 22, 2017 3:50 PM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:

Have you ever looked at the list of people killed who were involved in some 
way with the JFK assassination?

On Jan 22, 2017 4:34 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

  One thing is for certain, absolute inarguable fact, these 63 people are 
as dead as you can get and all of them either spilled the beans on the Clintons 
or had information that could harm the Clintons.  

  So, if you want to talk ethics and morals of Trump, I have not yet heard 
of anyone he had whacked.  Maybe he is just better at doing it.  
1.. Susan Coleman: 
2.. Larry Guerrin: 
3.. Kevin Ives  
4.. Don Henry: 
5.. Keith Coney: 
6.. Keith McKaskle: 
7.. Gregory Collins: 
8.. Jeff Rhodes: 
9.. James Milam: 
10.. Richard Winters: 
11.. Jordan Kettleson: 
12.. Alan Standorf: 
13.. Dennis Eisman: . 
14.. Danny Casalaro: 
15.. Victor Raiser: 
16.. R. Montgomery Raiser: 
17.. Paul Tully: 
18.. Ian Spiro: 
19.. Paula Gober: 
20.. Jim Wilhite: 
21.. Steve Willis, 
22.. Robert Williams, 
23.. Todd McKeahan 
24.. Conway LeBleu:   
25.. Sgt. Brian Haney, 
26.. Sgt. Tim Sabel, 
27.. Maj. William Barkley, 
28.. Capt. Scott Reynolds: 
29.. John Crawford: 
30.. John Wilson: 
31.. Paul Wilcher: 
32.. Vincent Foster: 
33.. Jon Parnell Walker: 
34.. Stanley Heard 
35.. Steven Dickson: 
36.. Jerry Luther Parks: 
37.. Ed Willey: 
38.. Gandy Baugh: 
39.. Herschell Friday: 
40.. Ronald Rogers: 
41.. Kathy Furguson: 
42.. Bill Shelton: 
43.. Stanley Huggins: 
44.. Paul Olson: 
45.. Calvin Walraven: 
46.. Alan G. Whicher: 
47.. Duane Garrett: 
48.. Ron Brown:. 
49.. Charles Meissner: 
50.. William Colby: 
51.. Admiral Jeremy Boorda: 
52.. Lance Herndon: 
53.. Neil Moody: 
54.. Barbara Wise: 
55.. Doug Adams: 
56.. Mary C. Mahoney: 
57.. Ronald Miller: 
58.. Sandy Hume: 
59.. Jim McDougal: 
60.. Johnny Lawhon: 
61.. Charles Wilbourne Miller: 
62.. Carlos Ghigliotti: 
63.. Tony Moser:  

  From: Josh Reynolds 
  Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 2:41 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Politics] Can we?

  He also ran a lot of less than ethical schemes to make his money. Some 
were legal, some were not. You may consider that smart, and that's your right. 
I do not.

  On Jan 22, 2017 2:53 PM, "Jon Langeler"  wrote:

  He had money, knew to hire the right people, and made good decisions. 
Historically that's not been common in politics. It's always been mostly 
'spenders'


  Jon Langeler
  Michwave Technologies, Inc.


  On Jan 22, 2017, at 3:20 PM, Josh Reynolds  wrote:


  Net worth is in no way an indicator of intelligence. In fact, it often 
happens by accident, or in spite of intelligence.

  On Jan 22, 2017 2:00 PM, "Jon Langeler"  wrote:

  Considering his net worth he might he smarter than any of us. But if your 
looking for miracles you might be better off reading the bible. 


  Jon Langeler
  Michwave Technologies, Inc.


  On Jan 22, 2017, at 2:55 PM, Jaime Solorza  
wrote:


  Empty promises just like his brain.But it's okay to grope now 
Waiting for right time to do it comrades

  On Jan 22, 2017 10:38 AM, "Josh Reynolds"  wrote:

  https://streamable.com/md28v

  I still cannot settle down with the idea that a Trump 

Re: [AFMUG] Switch expert help/advice

[Josh Reynolds]

For DataCenter. Doesn't help SP

On Jan 23, 2017 10:25 AM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:

> It looks like EVPN\VXLAN should be the new targets.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Gino Villarini" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Monday, January 23, 2017 8:44:01 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Switch expert help/advice
>
> Ill very much so would like to se TRILL and/or SPB implemente in major
> vendor Switches… But it appears as it will never happen
>
> Not enough traction
>
> From: Af  on behalf of Josh Reynolds <
> j...@kyneticwifi.com>
> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Date: Sunday, January 22, 2017 at 1:27 AM
> To: "af@afmug.com" 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Switch expert help/advice
>
> Only works for ring topologies, not tree.
>
>
>
> *Gino Villarini*
> President
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>
> On Sat, Jan 21, 2017 at 9:45 PM, Lewis Bergman 
> wrote:
>
>> G.8032 ERP always worked great for us.  Very fast convergence. I think
>> every manufacturer has their own spin on it.
>>
>> On Jan 21, 2017 7:44 PM, "Mark Radabaugh"  wrote:
>>
>>> You want priority lowest on the switch that is 'most central' to your
>>> network.
>>>
>>> For edge ports you probably want bpdu block or shutdown depending on how
>>> you want to handle it.
>>>
>>> You really need to control bpdu's coming from your customers.  You don't
>>> want a customer accidentally (or maliciously) taking control of your
>>> topology.
>>>
>>> Mark Radabaugh
>>> Amplex
>>> 22690 Pemberville Rd
>>> Luckey, OH 43447
>>> 419-261-5996 <%28419%29%20261-5996>
>>>
>>> On Jan 21, 2017, at 4:30 PM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>>>
>>> STP and RSTP really need to die. TRILL and SPB were invented because STP
>>> and RSTP have some big deficiencies.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The Brothers WISP 
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>> --
>>> *From: *"Sterling Jacobson" 
>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>> *Sent: *Wednesday, January 18, 2017 2:02:39 PM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Switch expert help/advice
>>>
>>> Don’t all switches use some form of STP/RSTP Gino?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I’m talking about best practices for a switch bank really.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Do I set STP priority number lower than the default on the switch for
>>> the ports going to other switches?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> And what is the term or feature that means ignore STP type packets from
>>> that port (customer ports).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I think I’m getting STP type topology changes every time a downstream
>>> customer port has a up/down change etc.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I don’t want those.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
>>> Behalf Of *Gino Villarini
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 18, 2017 2:00 AM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Switch expert help/advice
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Why are you using stp?
>>>
>>> On 1/18/17, 12:33 AM, "Af on behalf of Sterling Jacobson"
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Gino Villarini*
>>>
>>> President
>>>
>>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>>>
>>> [image: cid:image001.png@01D2718B.144BF200]
>>>
>>> >> > wrote:
>>>
>>> >Any of you guys work with switches a lot?
>>> >
>>> >I use banks of switches in my fiber, set up per neighborhood.
>>> >
>>> >But really they are all linked via fiber so it's pretty much like a
>>> >datacenter.
>>> >
>>> >I'm using a few MPLS/VPLS tunnels to the switch banks.
>>> >
>>> >I'm having a real hard time tracking down a loop issue though.
>>> >
>>> >It's 

Re: [AFMUG] Switch expert help/advice

[Mike Hammett]

It looks like EVPN\VXLAN should be the new targets. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Gino Villarini"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2017 8:44:01 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Switch expert help/advice 


Ill very much so would like to se TRILL and/or SPB implemente in major vendor 
Switches… But it appears as it will never happen 


Not enough traction 


From: Af < af-boun...@afmug.com > on behalf of Josh Reynolds < 
j...@kyneticwifi.com > 
Reply-To: " af@afmug.com " < af@afmug.com > 
Date: Sunday, January 22, 2017 at 1:27 AM 
To: " af@afmug.com " < af@afmug.com > 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Switch expert help/advice 






Only works for ring topologies, not tree. 






Gino Villarini 
President 
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 
On Sat, Jan 21, 2017 at 9:45 PM, Lewis Bergman < lewis.berg...@gmail.com > 
wrote: 



G.8032 ERP always worked great for us. Very fast convergence. I think every 
manufacturer has their own spin on it. 




On Jan 21, 2017 7:44 PM, "Mark Radabaugh" < m...@amplex.net > wrote: 




You want priority lowest on the switch that is 'most central' to your network. 


For edge ports you probably want bpdu block or shutdown depending on how you 
want to handle it. 


You really need to control bpdu's coming from your customers. You don't want a 
customer accidentally (or maliciously) taking control of your topology. 

Mark Radabaugh 
Amplex 
22690 Pemberville Rd 
Luckey, OH 43447 
419-261-5996 

On Jan 21, 2017, at 4:30 PM, Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: 





STP and RSTP really need to die. TRILL and SPB were invented because STP and 
RSTP have some big deficiencies. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 






From: "Sterling Jacobson" < sterl...@avative.net > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2017 2:02:39 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Switch expert help/advice 



Don’t all switches use some form of STP/RSTP Gino? 

I’m talking about best practices for a switch bank really. 

Do I set STP priority number lower than the default on the switch for the ports 
going to other switches? 

And what is the term or feature that means ignore STP type packets from that 
port (customer ports). 

I think I’m getting STP type topology changes every time a downstream customer 
port has a up/down change etc. 

I don’t want those. 



From: Af [ mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini 
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2017 2:00 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Switch expert help/advice 


Why are you using stp? 

On 1/18/17, 12:33 AM, "Af on behalf of Sterling Jacobson" 


Gino Villarini 

President 

Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 
cid:image001.png@01D2718B.144BF200
< af-boun...@afmug.com on behalf of sterl...@avative.net > wrote: 

>Any of you guys work with switches a lot? 
> 
>I use banks of switches in my fiber, set up per neighborhood. 
> 
>But really they are all linked via fiber so it's pretty much like a 
>datacenter. 
> 
>I'm using a few MPLS/VPLS tunnels to the switch banks. 
> 
>I'm having a real hard time tracking down a loop issue though. 
> 
>It's related to MikroTik lovely change in version 6.38 for STP/RSTP 
>bridge stuff. 
> 
>My problem is with an IBM switch I don't know very well. 
> 
>I suspect I have settings wrong for STP/RSTP etc. 
> 
>The switches are a simple configuration of VLAN 1/default for customer 
>traffic, then another VLAN for management from the device at their 
>house/MDU. 
> 
>I pull out the VLAN management at the mikrotik and bridge it with an area 
>wide L2 MPLS network. 
> 
>My problem is the IBM switches keep shutting down access to customer data 
>or management or the other switches they are connected to. 
>The crude method of recovery is reboot the switch. 
> 
>At the 'head' of the VPLS network I use an EOIP tunnel to a hosted 
>mikrotik that hosts the Dude and a few other management VM's on that 
>layer2 network. 
> 
>I'm regretting I did that and didn't create a more sophisticated routed 
>management network. 
> 
>But the hosted mikrotik is complaining of loop packets and sometimes just 
>goes wild and shuts down it's EOIP connecting interface for 60 seconds. 
>I can't seem to find a way to tell it to NOT do that either, seems like 
>it's built in to 6.38 no matter what Loop Protection I turn off or STP I 
>disable. 
>It's not like it's a lot of traffic, it's just seeing some BPDU or STP 
>type packets and killing itself. 
> 
>What is the best practice for switches regarding RSTP/PVRST BDPU guards 
>and STP root paths etc? 
> 
>The switches typically have two uplink ports going to the router or 
>another switch, the rest are customer facing ports. 

Re: [AFMUG] Switch expert help/advice

[Gino Villarini]

Ill very much so would like to se TRILL and/or SPB implemente in major vendor 
Switches… But it appears as it will never happen

Not enough traction

From: Af > on behalf of Josh 
Reynolds >
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
>
Date: Sunday, January 22, 2017 at 1:27 AM
To: "af@afmug.com" >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Switch expert help/advice

Only works for ring topologies, not tree.




Gino Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

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On Sat, Jan 21, 2017 at 9:45 PM, Lewis Bergman 
> wrote:
G.8032 ERP always worked great for us.  Very fast convergence. I think every 
manufacturer has their own spin on it.

On Jan 21, 2017 7:44 PM, "Mark Radabaugh" 
> wrote:
You want priority lowest on the switch that is 'most central' to your network.

For edge ports you probably want bpdu block or shutdown depending on how you 
want to handle it.

You really need to control bpdu's coming from your customers.  You don't want a 
customer accidentally (or maliciously) taking control of your topology.

Mark Radabaugh
Amplex
22690 Pemberville Rd
Luckey, OH 43447
419-261-5996

On Jan 21, 2017, at 4:30 PM, Mike Hammett 
> wrote:

STP and RSTP really need to die. TRILL and SPB were invented because STP and 
RSTP have some big deficiencies.



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From: "Sterling Jacobson" >
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2017 2:02:39 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Switch expert help/advice

Don’t all switches use some form of STP/RSTP Gino?

I’m talking about best practices for a switch bank really.

Do I set STP priority number lower than the default on the switch for the ports 
going to other switches?

And what is the term or feature that means ignore STP type packets from that 
port (customer ports).

I think I’m getting STP type topology changes every time a downstream customer 
port has a up/down change etc.

I don’t want those.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2017 2:00 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Switch expert help/advice

Why are you using stp?

On 1/18/17, 12:33 AM, "Af on behalf of Sterling Jacobson"



Gino Villarini

President

Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968


[cid:image001.png@01D2718B.144BF200]
>
 wrote:

>Any of you guys work with switches a lot?
>
>I use banks of switches in my fiber, set up per neighborhood.
>
>But really they are all linked via fiber so it's pretty much like a
>datacenter.
>
>I'm using a few MPLS/VPLS tunnels to the switch banks.
>
>I'm having a real hard time tracking down a loop issue though.
>
>It's related to MikroTik lovely change in version 6.38 for STP/RSTP
>bridge stuff.
>
>My problem is with an IBM switch I don't know very well.
>
>I suspect I have settings wrong for STP/RSTP etc.
>
>The switches are a simple configuration of VLAN 1/default for customer
>traffic, then another VLAN for management from the device at their
>house/MDU.
>
>I pull out the VLAN management at the mikrotik and bridge it with an area
>wide L2 MPLS network.
>
>My problem is the IBM switches keep shutting down access to customer data
>or management or the other switches they are connected to.
>The crude method of recovery is reboot the switch.
>
>At the 'head' of the VPLS network I use an EOIP tunnel to a hosted
>mikrotik that hosts the Dude and a 

Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

[Ken Hohhof]

Weekend's over, how about a sprinkling of on-topic posts so I can stop just
doing mass deletes?

If you want people to keep combing through the used straw, there has to
occasionally be a pony in there.


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jay Weekley
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2017 7:39 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

I don't know many many people in their 80's or 90's that are very
overweight.

Gino Villarini wrote:
> New studies suggest that eating less is the key for longer life
>
> https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/hunger-gains-a-new-idea-of-
> why-eating-less-increases-life-span/
>
>
> From: Af > on 
> behalf of Chuck McCown >
> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com "  >
> Date: Sunday, January 22, 2017 at 8:49 PM
> To: "af@afmug.com "  >
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]
>
> *//*
>
> */Gino Villarini/*
>
> President
> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>
> I do have a couple of coke zeros each day.  But I skipped all sodas 
> for a year and nothing changed.  The only thing that has ever helped 
> was a <1000 cal diet.
> *From:* Bill Prince
> *Sent:* Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:47 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]
>
> You eat artificial sweeteners? A growing body of evidence is 
> indicating that artificial sweeteners do a number on your gut biome.
> That and there is an indication that artificial sweeteners also have 
> the opposite of the intended effect (they contribute to weight gain).
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 1/22/2017 4:31 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>> I need the gut biome of a skinny guy.
>> *From:* Josh Reynolds
>> *Sent:* Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:30 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion] There are 
>> interesting links between process sugars, the gut biome, sugar 
>> addiction, dopamine, seratonin, motivation, and mental health.
>> On Jan 22, 2017 6:06 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
>>
>> Google is pretty good for equipment manuals, schematics, configs.
>> Not so good at solving arguments.
>> *From:* Rhys Cuff (Latrobe I.T)
>> *Sent:* Sunday, January 22, 2017 4:55 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]
>>
>> I completely agree with this.
>>
>> You can Google anything you like that will agree with what you
>> want to happen.
>>
>> For me, I�m just going with what seems natural, mostly plant
>> based diet with the odd BBQ thrown in for fun :-)
>>
>> *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
>> *Sent:* Monday, January 23, 2017 10:47 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]
>>
>> You'll always find a study proves or disproves anything you want.
>>
>> I don't mean cereal either. Juice, eggs, meat, etc.
>>
>> Weight management is mostly about balanced meals in appropriate
>> quantities.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>>

>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>>

>> The Brothers WISP 
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>> 
>> -
>> ---
>>
>> *From: *"Chuck McCown" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:44:33 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]
>>
>> Recent studies say otherwise. A myth promulgated by Special K.
>>
>> *From:*Mike Hammett
>>
>> *Sent:*Sunday, January 22, 2017 4:43 PM
>>
>> *To:*af@afmug.com
>>
>> *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]
>>
>> Not having breakfast is part of your problem.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>>

>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>>

Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

[Jay Weekley]

I don't know many many people in their 80's or 90's that are very 
overweight.


Gino Villarini wrote:

New studies suggest that eating less is the key for longer life

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/hunger-gains-a-new-idea-of-why-eating-less-increases-life-span/


From: Af > on 
behalf of Chuck McCown >
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com " >

Date: Sunday, January 22, 2017 at 8:49 PM
To: "af@afmug.com " >

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

*//*

*/Gino Villarini/*

President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

I do have a couple of coke zeros each day.  But I skipped all sodas 
for a year and nothing changed.  The only thing that has ever helped 
was a <1000 cal diet.

*From:* Bill Prince
*Sent:* Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:47 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

You eat artificial sweeteners? A growing body of evidence is 
indicating that artificial sweeteners do a number on your gut biome. 
That and there is an indication that artificial sweeteners also have 
the opposite of the intended effect (they contribute to weight gain).


bp


On 1/22/2017 4:31 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:

I need the gut biome of a skinny guy.
*From:* Josh Reynolds
*Sent:* Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:30 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]
There are interesting links between process sugars, the gut biome, 
sugar addiction, dopamine, seratonin, motivation, and mental health.

On Jan 22, 2017 6:06 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

Google is pretty good for equipment manuals, schematics, configs.
Not so good at solving arguments.
*From:* Rhys Cuff (Latrobe I.T)
*Sent:* Sunday, January 22, 2017 4:55 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

I completely agree with this.

You can Google anything you like that will agree with what you
want to happen.

For me, I�m just going with what seems natural, mostly plant
based diet with the odd BBQ thrown in for fun :-)

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
*Sent:* Monday, January 23, 2017 10:47 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

You'll always find a study proves or disproves anything you want.

I don't mean cereal either. Juice, eggs, meat, etc.

Weight management is mostly about balanced meals in appropriate
quantities.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 


Midwest Internet Exchange 


The Brothers WISP 







*From: *"Chuck McCown" 
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:44:33 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

Recent studies say otherwise. A myth promulgated by Special K.

*From:*Mike Hammett

*Sent:*Sunday, January 22, 2017 4:43 PM

*To:*af@afmug.com

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

Not having breakfast is part of your problem.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 


Midwest Internet Exchange 


The Brothers WISP 







*From: *"Chuck McCown" 
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:27:49 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

While I am sure that the mix of the food you eat has a
significant effect on your health, pretty sure almost all of us
eat too much.  And I don�t think you can generalize too much
because your genetics 

Re: [AFMUG] Search Warranty too broad?

[Sam Morris]

First sorry to bring up a month-old topic. I'm (way) behind on this forum.

It's been our understanding that CALEA has no historical logging 
requirement - that an ISP isn't required to do anything (short of having 
the means to do something, and to have it documented) until a subpoena 
is issued.


On the other hand, DMCA does have a requirement to know who was, 
historically using a given IP at a given point in time.


Are either of these correct?

Thanks
Sam


On 12/27/2016 3:15 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

I think CALEA requires a best effort to log NAT assignments. Something
requires it.
We just do it so we can help the cops catch the bad guys.
*From:* David Sovereen
*Sent:* Tuesday, December 27, 2016 2:05 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Search Warranty too broad?
We’ve complied with dozens of subpeonas without a problem.  Most have
been from local law enforcement agencies.  Some from the FBI.  The is
the only one that I can think of that is from the Department of Justice
and it has TONS of IP Addresses from TONS of ISPs and content
providers.  I really expected them to just say, “nevermind” when I told
them it was a shared/NAT IP, but they didn’t.
I don’t want the lawyer bill (sorry Steve Coran!), so I just sent them
the list.
FYI, there is no legal requirement to keep track of whose NAT
connections are whose.
Dave
==
MERCURY NETWORK CORPORATION
David Sovereen
989-837-3790 x 151
2719 Ashman St Ste 1, Midland, MI  48640-4434
http://www.mercury.net 

On Dec 27, 2016, at 3:56 PM,   wrote:
Normally they will be pretty friendly if you call them and just tell
them your concerns.  Ask them for a name and you see if the name they
are looking for is on your list.
And it depends on who issued the subpoena too.  Sometimes for telcos
it is a domestic dispute and one person is trying to prove the other
person called the boyfriend/girlfriend etc.  I just talk to the lawyer
and try to be helpful.
If it is the FBI very well could be exploited children type of thing.
I have gotten  up in the middle of the night to help them trace a guy
that thought he was chatting with a 13 year old.
I used to have a statement that was published and given to all new
customers that I “fully cooperate with all law enforcement activities”.
*From:* Forrest Christian (List Account)
*Sent:* Tuesday, December 27, 2016 1:51 PM
*To:* af
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Search Warranty too broad?
Oh and I agree with chuck's statement too.  In the end you're likely
going to end up giving them the list.  You don't want to be a big pain
in the rear and become a target for their retaliation.  My main
concern is that whoever actually approved the warrant approved what
you can give them (customer identity vs identities)
On Dec 27, 2016 1:47 PM, "Forrest Christian (List Account)"
 wrote:

I'd be concerned about privacy violations.
My response would be a call to my attorney, with the intent being to
push back just enough to make sure the judge understands the response
is going to violate the privacy of hundreds of innocent john does.  I
can think of several strategies but I'm not a lawyer so many of them
probably aren't worth a hill of beans.
On Dec 27, 2016 1:18 PM, "David Sovereen"
 wrote:

What would you guy do if you got a search warrant containing a
shared, NAT IP serving hundreds of customers?
We responded that the IP was shared and could not be used to
pinpoint a specific customer.
They responded that they want a list of all customers that it could
be, no matter how many.  This is the first time getting that kind of
response.  Normally, they just say okay and go away.
Is the request too broad?
Do I just comply and give them a list of all those customers?
Dave
==
MERCURY NETWORK CORPORATION
David Sovereen
989-837-3790 x 151 
2719 Ashman St Ste 1, Midland, MI  48640-4434
http://www.mercury.net 

Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

[Gino Villarini]

New studies suggest that eating less is the key for longer life

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/hunger-gains-a-new-idea-of-why-eating-less-increases-life-span/


From: Af > on behalf of Chuck 
McCown >
Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" 
>
Date: Sunday, January 22, 2017 at 8:49 PM
To: "af@afmug.com" >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]




Gino Villarini


President
Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

[cid:aeronet-logo_310cfc3e-6691-4f69-bd49-b37b834b9238.png]

I do have a couple of coke zeros each day.  But I skipped all sodas for a year 
and nothing changed.  The only thing that has ever helped was a <1000 cal diet.

From: Bill Prince
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:47 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]


You eat artificial sweeteners? A growing body of evidence is indicating that 
artificial sweeteners do a number on your gut biome. That and there is an 
indication that artificial sweeteners also have the opposite of the intended 
effect (they contribute to weight gain).



bp




On 1/22/2017 4:31 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
I need the gut biome of a skinny guy.

From: Josh Reynolds
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:30 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

There are interesting links between process sugars, the gut biome, sugar 
addiction, dopamine, seratonin, motivation, and mental health.

On Jan 22, 2017 6:06 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:
Google is pretty good for equipment manuals, schematics, configs.
Not so good at solving arguments.

From: Rhys Cuff (Latrobe I.T)
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 4:55 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

I completely agree with this.
You can Google anything you like that will agree with what you want to happen.

For me, I’m just going with what seems natural, mostly plant based diet with 
the odd BBQ thrown in for fun :-)



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2017 10:47 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

You'll always find a study proves or disproves anything you want.

I don't mean cereal either. Juice, eggs, meat, etc.

Weight management is mostly about balanced meals in appropriate quantities.


-
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Intelligent Computing Solutions
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From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 5:44:33 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]
Recent studies say otherwise.  A myth promulgated by Special K.

From: Mike Hammett
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 4:43 PM
To:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [OT: Off the wall discussion]

Not having breakfast is part of your problem.


-
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Intelligent Computing Solutions
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