Re: [AFMUG] Fwd: Trump Promises Rural Broadband Funding in Tech Week Speech

[Jason McKemie]

This. It will never go to the little guys. This type of thing is nearly
always bad for us. I think WISPs are doing a good job of covering a vast
majority of users without government handouts. Leave it to the free market.

On Thursday, June 22, 2017, Lewis Bergman  wrote:

> You have to remember that big government likes big business because big
> business will hire enough people to do big governments job for them so they
> have to do less with more money. To big government 2 or 3 companies
> nationwide is all it takes to have healthy competition.
>
> On Thu, Jun 22, 2017 at 3:29 PM Rory Conaway  > wrote:
>
>> Wow, ain’t that the truth.  I had this conversation with two former FCC
>> Commissioners last night.  I made sure they understood how government
>> intervention is creating monopolies and destroying innovation.  Not sure
>> they get it though.  I mention how after the FCC gave CenturyLink $500K in
>> one of our areas, I dropped 200Mbps residential  over the top of them
>> before they even started their pathetic build out.
>>
>>
>>
>> Rory
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
>> ] *On Behalf Of *Josh
>> Luthman
>> *Sent:* Thursday, June 22, 2017 1:07 PM
>>
>>
>> *To:* af@afmug.com 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fwd: Trump Promises Rural Broadband Funding in
>> TechWeek Speech
>>
>>
>>
>> Can't spend the money/people on filing out the paperwork.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 22, 2017 at 3:34 PM, > > wrote:
>>
>> How?  How do  you know you cannot get a piece of this?
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Tim Reichhart
>>
>> *Sent:* Thursday, June 22, 2017 1:24 PM
>>
>> *To:* af@afmug.com 
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fwd: Trump Promises Rural Broadband Funding in
>> TechWeek Speech
>>
>>
>>
>> It screws us mom and pop WISP who is the last option for many rural
>> customers.
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Dave > >
>> To: "Animal Farm" > >
>> Date: 06/22/17 03:21 PM
>> Subject: [AFMUG] Fwd: Trump Promises Rural Broadband Funding in Tech Week
>> Speech
>>
>> If anybody is watching this; great. For those who havent seen it, its a
>> good read.
>>
>>
>>  Forwarded Message 
>>
>> *Subject:*
>>
>> Trump Promises Rural Broadband Funding in Tech Week Speech
>>
>> *Date:*
>>
>> Thu, 22 Jun 2017 13:52:30 -0500
>>
>> *From:*
>>
>> Steve Gill mailto:sg...@wletc.com
>> 
>>
>> *To:*
>>
>> david Milholen mailto:dmilho...@wletc.com
>> 
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Re: [AFMUG] Calix 844GE

[George Skorup]

Guess I can't read today. I RTFM'd again. That's the Tx/Rx I want.

On 6/22/2017 8:28 PM, George Skorup wrote:
Anybody deploying these? I finally got the folks writing the checks on 
the GPON bandwagon. Looks like they want to go all-out with a full 
Calix infrastructure. So we're going to install the 844GE's at the 
existing customers and temporarily convert to BiDi, then GPON later as 
it grows. So I need to get some BiDi SFPs. I want Tx 1490 / Rx 1310 at 
the head-end.. right? That's what it looks like to me, just want to 
make sure I'm not being stupid.

[AFMUG] Calix 844GE

[George Skorup]

Anybody deploying these? I finally got the folks writing the checks on 
the GPON bandwagon. Looks like they want to go all-out with a full Calix 
infrastructure. So we're going to install the 844GE's at the existing 
customers and temporarily convert to BiDi, then GPON later as it grows. 
So I need to get some BiDi SFPs. I want Tx 1490 / Rx 1310 at the 
head-end.. right? That's what it looks like to me, just want to make 
sure I'm not being stupid.

Re: [AFMUG] Trango Apex+

[Jaime Solorza]

Hey Chuck...Wednesday night on AxsTv... Fleetwood Mac Classic Album
bio...program your recorder..

Jaime Solorza

On Jun 22, 2017 4:34 PM, "George Skorup"  wrote:

> The ApexPlus uses Remec OEM ODUs. All bands except 6GHz is Remec round.
> The PTP800 is also a Remec OEM, but I've never deployed any, so I don't
> know if the waveguide interface is the same.
>
> or are you asking about a Trango OEM antenna?
>
> ..or... are you trying to replace a failed ODU. I've done a couple. Pretty
> easy.
>
> On 6/22/2017 8:41 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> Does anyone know if the Apex+ antenna will take a regular Remec radio?�
> Like the PTP800?
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Trango Apex+

[chuck]

Working on sumpin’

From: George Skorup 
Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2017 4:34 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Trango Apex+

The ApexPlus uses Remec OEM ODUs. All bands except 6GHz is Remec round. The 
PTP800 is also a Remec OEM, but I've never deployed any, so I don't know if the 
waveguide interface is the same.

or are you asking about a Trango OEM antenna?

..or... are you trying to replace a failed ODU. I've done a couple. Pretty easy.


On 6/22/2017 8:41 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

  Does anyone know if the Apex+ antenna will take a regular Remec radio?� 
Like the PTP800?

Re: [AFMUG] Trango Apex+

[George Skorup]

The ApexPlus uses Remec OEM ODUs. All bands except 6GHz is Remec round. 
The PTP800 is also a Remec OEM, but I've never deployed any, so I don't 
know if the waveguide interface is the same.


or are you asking about a Trango OEM antenna?

..or... are you trying to replace a failed ODU. I've done a couple. 
Pretty easy.


On 6/22/2017 8:41 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
Does anyone know if the Apex+ antenna will take a regular Remec 
radio?  Like the PTP800?

Re: [AFMUG] Fwd: Trump Promises Rural Broadband Funding in TechWeek Speech

[Lewis Bergman]

You have to remember that big government likes big business because big
business will hire enough people to do big governments job for them so they
have to do less with more money. To big government 2 or 3 companies
nationwide is all it takes to have healthy competition.

On Thu, Jun 22, 2017 at 3:29 PM Rory Conaway  wrote:

> Wow, ain’t that the truth.  I had this conversation with two former FCC
> Commissioners last night.  I made sure they understood how government
> intervention is creating monopolies and destroying innovation.  Not sure
> they get it though.  I mention how after the FCC gave CenturyLink $500K in
> one of our areas, I dropped 200Mbps residential  over the top of them
> before they even started their pathetic build out.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 22, 2017 1:07 PM
>
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fwd: Trump Promises Rural Broadband Funding in
> TechWeek Speech
>
>
>
> Can't spend the money/people on filing out the paperwork.
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 22, 2017 at 3:34 PM,  wrote:
>
> How?  How do  you know you cannot get a piece of this?
>
>
>
> *From:* Tim Reichhart
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 22, 2017 1:24 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fwd: Trump Promises Rural Broadband Funding in
> TechWeek Speech
>
>
>
> It screws us mom and pop WISP who is the last option for many rural
> customers.
>
>
> --
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Dave 
> To: "Animal Farm" 
> Date: 06/22/17 03:21 PM
> Subject: [AFMUG] Fwd: Trump Promises Rural Broadband Funding in Tech Week
> Speech
>
> If anybody is watching this; great. For those who havent seen it, its a
> good read.
>
>
>  Forwarded Message 
>
> *Subject:*
>
> Trump Promises Rural Broadband Funding in Tech Week Speech
>
> *Date:*
>
> Thu, 22 Jun 2017 13:52:30 -0500
>
> *From:*
>
> Steve Gill mailto:sg...@wletc.com 
>
> *To:*
>
> david Milholen mailto:dmilho...@wletc.com 
>
>
>
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> https://www.cedmagazine.com/news/2017/06/trump-promises-rural-broadband-funding-tech-week-speech?et_cid=620_
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[AFMUG] Chapter 61 - Tales from the Towers posted

[Rory Conaway]

http://muniwireless.com/2017/06/22/migration-is-for-the-birds/

Rory Conaway * Triad Wireless * CEO
4226 S. 37th Street * Phoenix * AZ 85040
602-426-0542
r...@triadwireless.net
www.triadwireless.net

"I think I throw the ball as hard as anyone. The ball just doesn't get there as 
fast." - Eddie Bane

Re: [AFMUG] Trango Apex+

[Adam Moffett]

I like the looks of your flex conduit tied into the cap.  I'm wondering 
is it difficult to take that off though?



-- Original Message --
From: "Jeremy" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 6/22/2017 10:26:50 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Trango Apex+


Yes, they use a Remec style enclosure.

On Thu, Jun 22, 2017 at 7:41 AM,  wrote:
Does anyone know if the Apex+ antenna will take a regular Remec radio? 
 Like the PTP800?

Re: [AFMUG] Fwd: Trump Promises Rural Broadband Funding in TechWeek Speech

[Rory Conaway]

Wow, ain’t that the truth.  I had this conversation with two former FCC 
Commissioners last night.  I made sure they understood how government 
intervention is creating monopolies and destroying innovation.  Not sure they 
get it though.  I mention how after the FCC gave CenturyLink $500K in one of 
our areas, I dropped 200Mbps residential  over the top of them before they even 
started their pathetic build out.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2017 1:07 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fwd: Trump Promises Rural Broadband Funding in TechWeek 
Speech

Can't spend the money/people on filing out the paperwork.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Jun 22, 2017 at 3:34 PM, > 
wrote:
How?  How do  you know you cannot get a piece of this?

From: Tim Reichhart
Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2017 1:24 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fwd: Trump Promises Rural Broadband Funding in TechWeek 
Speech

It screws us mom and pop WISP who is the last option for many rural customers.


-Original Message-
From: Dave >
To: "Animal Farm" >
Date: 06/22/17 03:21 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] Fwd: Trump Promises Rural Broadband Funding in Tech Week Speech

If anybody is watching this; great. For those who havent seen it, its a good 
read.

 Forwarded Message 
Subject:

Trump Promises Rural Broadband Funding in Tech Week Speech

Date:

Thu, 22 Jun 2017 13:52:30 -0500

From:

Steve Gill mailto:sg...@wletc.com

To:

david Milholen mailto:dmilho...@wletc.com



   
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Re: [AFMUG] Fwd: Trump Promises Rural Broadband Funding in TechWeekSpeech

[chuck]

Hire it done on spec.  I am sure if there is an opportunity, Charles Wu will 
fill it.  

From: Josh Luthman 
Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2017 2:06 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fwd: Trump Promises Rural Broadband Funding in 
TechWeekSpeech

Can't spend the money/people on filing out the paperwork.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Jun 22, 2017 at 3:34 PM,  wrote:

  How?  How do  you know you cannot get a piece of this?

  From: Tim Reichhart 
  Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2017 1:24 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fwd: Trump Promises Rural Broadband Funding in TechWeek 
Speech

  It screws us mom and pop WISP who is the last option for many rural customers.





-Original Message-
From: Dave 
To: "Animal Farm" 
Date: 06/22/17 03:21 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] Fwd: Trump Promises Rural Broadband Funding in Tech Week 
Speech

If anybody is watching this; great. For those who havent seen it, its a 
good read.


 Forwarded Message  Subject: Trump Promises Rural Broadband 
Funding in Tech Week Speech 
  Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2017 13:52:30 -0500 
  From: Steve Gill mailto:sg...@wletc.com  
  To: david Milholen mailto:dmilho...@wletc.com  



   
https://www.cedmagazine.com/news/2017/06/trump-promises-rural-broadband-funding-tech-week-speech?et_cid=620_
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Re: [AFMUG] Fwd: Trump Promises Rural Broadband Funding in TechWeek Speech

[Josh Luthman]

Can't spend the money/people on filing out the paperwork.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Thu, Jun 22, 2017 at 3:34 PM,  wrote:

> How?  How do  you know you cannot get a piece of this?
>
> *From:* Tim Reichhart
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 22, 2017 1:24 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Fwd: Trump Promises Rural Broadband Funding in
> TechWeek Speech
>
> It screws us mom and pop WISP who is the last option for many rural
> customers.
>
> --
> -Original Message-
> From: Dave 
> To: "Animal Farm" 
> Date: 06/22/17 03:21 PM
> Subject: [AFMUG] Fwd: Trump Promises Rural Broadband Funding in Tech Week
> Speech
>
> If anybody is watching this; great. For those who havent seen it, its a
> good read.
>
>  Forwarded Message 
> Subject: Trump Promises Rural Broadband Funding in Tech Week Speech
> Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2017 13:52:30 -0500
> From: Steve Gill mailto:sg...@wletc.com
> To: david Milholen mailto:dmilho...@wletc.com
>
>
> https://www.cedmagazine.com/news/2017/06/trump-promises-rural-broadband-funding-tech-week-speech?et_cid=620_rid=54165410=top_cid=620_rid=54165410=https%3a%2f%2fwww.cedmagazine.com%2fnews%2f2017%2f06%2ftrump-promises-rural-broadband-funding-tech-week-speech%3fet_cid%3d620%26et_rid%3d%%subscriberid%%%26location%3dtop
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[AFMUG] Almost Friday

[Paul McCall]

Hey guys,

We bought some 900Mhz 450SMs a while back and doesn't look like we are going to 
deploy them.  You contact me OFFLIST if you want to make an offer on them.  
They are the C009045C001A.

Paul

Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800
pa...@pdmnet.net
www.pdmnet.com
www.floridabroadband.com

Re: [AFMUG] Li-ion Battery Backup

[Chris Wright]

I’m figuring seven 26650 (3.7V, 5000mAh) batteries in series (~26V, 5Ah) x4 in 
parallel (~26V, 20Ah) would keep a Netonix switch, two backhauls, and an AP or 
two up for 8 hours with a power draw ~2.5A @ 24V and use significantly less 
weight and space.

 

Chris Wright

Network Administrator

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Harold Bledsoe
Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2017 12:23 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Li-ion Battery Backup

 

And if you don't charge it right  ;-)

 

On Thu, Jun 22, 2017 at 3:11 PM Bill Prince  wrote:

Depending on how you figure li-ion battery voltage (I use 3.7 volts per cell; 
I've seen some others say 3.6 volts per cell), it will take 13 li-ion batteries 
to make 48 volts.

The big issue that I can imagine is that li-ion have a completely different 
charging profile from SLA batteries. I don't know whether it would be better to 
try to build an array at 48 volts, or go for something much larger (say 480 
volts), and do a DC-DC converter to get whatever voltage you want on the other 
side.

This will be an interesting discussion.

bp

 

On 6/22/2017 11:36 AM, Chris Wright wrote:

Lithium Ion batteries are getting so cheap these days it�s tempting to 
fabricate a battery bank out of them and use them for backup power. Do they 
behave well with constant voltage running through them supplied by a typical 
Mean Well AC to DC Converter, or would a special maintainer with an automatic 
transfer switch be required?

�

Chris Wright

Network Administrator

�

 

Re: [AFMUG] Fwd: Trump Promises Rural Broadband Funding in Tech Week Speech

[Jaime Solorza]

Ah  ...free money...my hand is out

Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390

On Thu, Jun 22, 2017 at 1:24 PM, Tim Reichhart <
timreichh...@hometowncable.net> wrote:

> It screws us mom and pop WISP who is the last option for many rural
> customers.
>
> --
> -Original Message-
> From: Dave 
> To: "Animal Farm" 
> Date: 06/22/17 03:21 PM
> Subject: [AFMUG] Fwd: Trump Promises Rural Broadband Funding in Tech Week
> Speech
>
> If anybody is watching this; great. For those who havent seen it, its a
> good read.
>
>  Forwarded Message 
> Subject: Trump Promises Rural Broadband Funding in Tech Week Speech
> Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2017 13:52:30 -0500
> From: Steve Gill  
> To: david Milholen  
>
>   
> https://www.cedmagazine.com/news/2017/06/trump-promises-rural-broadband-funding-tech-week-speech?et_cid=620_rid=54165410=top_cid=620_rid=54165410=https%3a%2f%2fwww.cedmagazine.com%2fnews%2f2017%2f06%2ftrump-promises-rural-broadband-funding-tech-week-speech%3fet_cid%3d620%26et_rid%3d%%subscriberid%%%26location%3dtop
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Re: [AFMUG] Fwd: Trump Promises Rural Broadband Funding in TechWeek Speech

[chuck]

How?  How do  you know you cannot get a piece of this?

From: Tim Reichhart 
Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2017 1:24 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fwd: Trump Promises Rural Broadband Funding in TechWeek 
Speech

It screws us mom and pop WISP who is the last option for many rural customers.




--
  -Original Message-
  From: Dave 
  To: "Animal Farm" 
  Date: 06/22/17 03:21 PM
  Subject: [AFMUG] Fwd: Trump Promises Rural Broadband Funding in Tech Week 
Speech

  If anybody is watching this; great. For those who havent seen it, its a good 
read.


   Forwarded Message  Subject: Trump Promises Rural Broadband 
Funding in Tech Week Speech 
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2017 13:52:30 -0500 
From: Steve Gill mailto:sg...@wletc.com  
To: david Milholen mailto:dmilho...@wletc.com  



   
https://www.cedmagazine.com/news/2017/06/trump-promises-rural-broadband-funding-tech-week-speech?et_cid=620_
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Re: [AFMUG] Fwd: Trump Promises Rural Broadband Funding in Tech Week Speech

[Tim Reichhart]

It screws us mom and pop WISP who is the last option for many rural customers. 


-Original Message-
From: Dave 
To: "Animal Farm" 
Date: 06/22/17 03:21 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] Fwd: Trump Promises Rural Broadband Funding in Tech Week Speech

If anybody is watching this; great. For those who havent seen it, its a good 
read.
 
 Forwarded Message 
Subject: Trump Promises Rural Broadband Funding in Tech Week Speech
Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2017 13:52:30 -0500
From: Steve Gill 
To: david Milholen 


 
https://www.cedmagazine.com/news/2017/06/trump-promises-rural-broadband-funding-tech-week-speech?et_cid=620_rid=54165410=top_cid=620_rid=54165410=https%3a%2f%2fwww.cedmagazine.com%2fnews%2f2017%2f06%2ftrump-promises-rural-broadband-funding-tech-week-speech%3fet_cid%3d620%26et_rid%3d%%subscriberid%%%26location%3dtop
  

Re: [AFMUG] Li-ion Battery Backup

[Harold Bledsoe]

And if you don't charge it right  ;-)

On Thu, Jun 22, 2017 at 3:11 PM Bill Prince  wrote:

> Depending on how you figure li-ion battery voltage (I use 3.7 volts per
> cell; I've seen some others say 3.6 volts per cell), it will take 13 li-ion
> batteries to make 48 volts.
>
> The big issue that I can imagine is that li-ion have a completely
> different charging profile from SLA batteries. I don't know whether it
> would be better to try to build an array at 48 volts, or go for something
> much larger (say 480 volts), and do a DC-DC converter to get whatever
> voltage you want on the other side.
>
> This will be an interesting discussion.
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 6/22/2017 11:36 AM, Chris Wright wrote:
>
> Lithium Ion batteries are getting so cheap these days it�s tempting to
> fabricate a battery bank out of them and use them for backup power. Do they
> behave well with constant voltage running through them supplied by a
> typical Mean Well AC to DC Converter, or would a special maintainer with an
> automatic transfer switch be required?
>
> �
>
> Chris Wright
>
> Network Administrator
>
> �
>
>
>

[AFMUG] Fwd: Trump Promises Rural Broadband Funding in Tech Week Speech

[Dave]

If anybody is watching this; great. For those who havent seen it, its a 
good read.


 Forwarded Message 
Subject:Trump Promises Rural Broadband Funding in Tech Week Speech
Date:   Thu, 22 Jun 2017 13:52:30 -0500
From:   Steve Gill 
To: david Milholen 



https://www.cedmagazine.com/news/2017/06/trump-promises-rural-broadband-funding-tech-week-speech?et_cid=620_ 

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Re: [AFMUG] Li-ion Battery Backup

[Bill Prince]

Depending on how you figure li-ion battery voltage (I use 3.7 volts per 
cell; I've seen some others say 3.6 volts per cell), it will take 13 
li-ion batteries to make 48 volts.


The big issue that I can imagine is that li-ion have a completely 
different charging profile from SLA batteries. I don't know whether it 
would be better to try to build an array at 48 volts, or go for 
something much larger (say 480 volts), and do a DC-DC converter to get 
whatever voltage you want on the other side.


This will be an interesting discussion.

bp


On 6/22/2017 11:36 AM, Chris Wright wrote:


Lithium Ion batteries are getting so cheap these days it�s tempting to 
fabricate a battery bank out of them and use them for backup power. Do 
they behave well with constant voltage running through them supplied 
by a typical Mean Well AC to DC Converter, or would a special 
maintainer with an automatic transfer switch be required?


Chris Wright

Network Administrator

Re: [AFMUG] Li-ion Battery Backup

[Chris Wright]

Aw but that takes all the fun out of it. J

 

Chris Wright

Network Administrator

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2017 11:49 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Li-ion Battery Backup

 

Go buy a wrecked electric car battery.  

 

From: Chris Wright 

Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2017 12:36 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: [AFMUG] Li-ion Battery Backup

 

Lithium Ion batteries are getting so cheap these days it’s tempting to 
fabricate a battery bank out of them and use them for backup power. Do they 
behave well with constant voltage running through them supplied by a typical 
Mean Well AC to DC Converter, or would a special maintainer with an automatic 
transfer switch be required?

 

Chris Wright

Network Administrator

 

Re: [AFMUG] Li-ion Battery Backup

[chuck]

Go buy a wrecked electric car battery.  

From: Chris Wright 
Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2017 12:36 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] Li-ion Battery Backup

Lithium Ion batteries are getting so cheap these days it’s tempting to 
fabricate a battery bank out of them and use them for backup power. Do they 
behave well with constant voltage running through them supplied by a typical 
Mean Well AC to DC Converter, or would a special maintainer with an automatic 
transfer switch be required?

 

Chris Wright

Network Administrator

 

[AFMUG] Li-ion Battery Backup

[Chris Wright]

Lithium Ion batteries are getting so cheap these days it's tempting to
fabricate a battery bank out of them and use them for backup power. Do they
behave well with constant voltage running through them supplied by a typical
Mean Well AC to DC Converter, or would a special maintainer with an
automatic transfer switch be required?

 

Chris Wright

Network Administrator

 

Re: [AFMUG] Ready for the Xbox one X and 100GB games?

[Mike Hammett]

We go from bad idea to worse? 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Kurt Fankhauser"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2017 10:15:11 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ready for the Xbox one X and 100GB games? 


Can you block/throttle a VPN connection with DPI? Make it so that if the 
customer turns it on the VPN their connection gets worse than with it off? 


On Wed, Jun 21, 2017 at 11:43 PM, Jeremy < jeremysmi...@gmail.com > wrote: 



On that point, we tell them that it is not our responsibility to track their 
specific usage. We tell them that their are routers like the Fortigate which 
can track usage, but that we do not support those devices. I tell them that I 
think the new Torch router does it too, but that we have no experience with 
these devices. "The only way that we track which websites are visited and what 
you are doing on the Internet is with a warrant or an order from the Department 
of Justice". We stand behind our usage tracking, and if they do not want to pay 
the bill then they can find another provider. We have lost two or three 
customers over four years who refuse to pay, and it usually isn't worth sending 
those ones to collections. We just go and collect our equipment and write it 
off as bad debt. 




On Wed, Jun 21, 2017 at 7:52 PM, Adam Moffett < dmmoff...@gmail.com > wrote: 


That's an interesting point. 


-- Original Message -- 
From: "Stefan Englhardt" < s...@genias.net > 
To: af@afmug.com ; "Wireless Administrator" < wirel...@htn.net > 
Sent: 6/21/2017 3:18:07 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ready for the Xbox one X and 100GB games? 



We fade out our usage based plans. *Every* single customer who had to pay 
surplus makes us a lot of work. Calls from each single family member, what IP 
is this. Why cant you tell me what x.y.z.w is. I dont use Akamai ... 
You have to take care there is no angry escalating dispute for a view Euros. I 
am sure this service times cost us more money than the customers had to pay 
surplus. We have to do flat pricing. 

On Wed, 21 Jun 2017 18:59:41 + 
"Wireless Administrator" < wirel...@htn.net > wrote: 


This industry is in trouble. Nobody wants usage based billing. Customers don’t 
want it for obvious reasons. ISP’s are afraid to implement it for fear of 
losing customers. If you lose money on an account is it really an asset to your 
business? I feel that the Large ISP’s have already implemented Usage Based Rate 
Adjustment. They seem to have an automated process to adjust rates that will 
force off the heavy users. Our industry will not get respect until it asks for 
it. UBB or UBRA (New term I coined) is the way …. 



Steve 



From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Mark - Myakka 
Technologies 
Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2017 2:07 PM 
To: Simon Westlake 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ready for the Xbox one X and 100GB games? 



Simon, 

But metered billing makes them think about what they are doing. Does the baby 
need to be falling asleep watching a 4K movie? The best way I can put it is 
renting an apartment with utilities included. If I'm renting an apartment in FL 
with electric included, my AC is going to be set at 68 24/7. The cat will be 
very comfortable all day, why should I care. However, if I'm paying for 
electric, the cat will have to deal with 78 during the day and I may have to 
deal with 72 when I get home. 

Bandwidth prices are dropping for some, but for others it is still expensive. 
Not to mention the HW costs to upgrade your network to handle the higher 
bandwidth internally. 
4K tvs cost more to buy than 1080 or 720 TV's. Why should someone who is 
willing to stream at 720 or pay for satellite TV, be forced to pay the same as 
that guy that wants to watch in 4K. Why should a single person who just needs 
dependable fast internet occasionally be force to pay the same amount as the 
family with 6 kids and 30 devices? Why should the kid willing to buy his game 
on a disc be forced to pay the same as the guy who doesn't want to get up off 
the couch to change a disc? 
Why is it we are the only industry that is expected to deliver a top notch fast 
and reliable service at a single low price. The electric company gets to charge 
per KW, the all you can eat buffet charges per person, the cell phone company 
charges per device, cable/satellite charges per box, hell even the streaming 
companies get to put limits on the number of people that can stream per 
account. Why is it when we ask a heavy user to pay their fair share all hell 
breaks lose and we are the greedy bastards? 


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Re: [AFMUG] Ready for the Xbox one X and 100GB games?

[Simon Westlake]

Yes, but it depends on the type of VPN. Some will only show up as SSL, 
so you'd have to just throttle all SSL traffic. If you've setup your 
rules to prioritize and shape traffic based on type though, it will 
probably happen anyway. For example, I have a rule setup in my house to 
prioritize gaming and voice traffic at the top, and streaming second. I 
limit total streaming to about 60% of my available capacity. I limit all 
software updates, backups, etc to a low rate (I think I have it at 
256Kbps) except between 1AM and 5AM. This has fixed pretty much every 
issue I have in my home with iPads, phones, etc, pushing backups during 
the day and saturating my upstream. If everything was encapsulated in a 
VPN, I'd be back to having latency spikes and issues with buffering.


On 6/22/2017 10:15 AM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
Can you block/throttle a VPN connection with DPI? Make it so that if 
the customer turns it on the VPN their connection gets worse than with 
it off?


On Wed, Jun 21, 2017 at 11:43 PM, Jeremy > wrote:


On that point, we tell them that it is not our responsibility to
track their specific usage.  We tell them that their are routers
like the Fortigate which can track usage, but that we do not
support those devices.  I tell them that I think the new Torch
router does it too, but that we have no experience with these
devices.  "The only way that we track which websites are visited
and what you are doing on the Internet is with a warrant or an
order from the Department of Justice".  We stand behind our usage
tracking, and if they do not want to pay the bill then they can
find another provider.  We have lost two or three customers over
four years who refuse to pay, and it usually isn't worth sending
those ones to collections.  We just go and collect our equipment
and write it off as bad debt.

On Wed, Jun 21, 2017 at 7:52 PM, Adam Moffett > wrote:

That's an interesting point.


-- Original Message --
From: "Stefan Englhardt" >
To: af@afmug.com ; "Wireless
Administrator" >
Sent: 6/21/2017 3:18:07 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ready for the Xbox one X and 100GB games?

We fade out our usage based plans. *Every* single customer
who had to pay surplus makes us a lot of work. Calls from
each single family member, what IP is this. Why cant you
tell me what x.y.z.w is. I dont use Akamai ...
You have to take care there is no angry escalating dispute
for a view Euros. I am sure this service times cost us
more money than the customers had to pay surplus. We have
to do flat pricing.

On Wed, 21 Jun 2017 18:59:41 +
 "Wireless Administrator" > wrote:

This industry is in trouble.  Nobody wants usage based
billing.  Customers don’t want it for obvious reasons.
ISP’s are afraid to implement it for fear of losing
customers. If you lose money on an account is it
really an asset to your business? I feel that the
Large ISP’s have already implemented Usage Based Rate
Adjustment. They seem to have an automated process to
adjust rates that will force off the heavy users.  Our
industry will not get respect until it asks for it.
UBB or UBRA (New term I coined) is the way ….



Steve



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
] On Behalf Of Mark -
Myakka Technologies
Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2017 2:07 PM
To: Simon Westlake
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ready for the Xbox one X and
100GB games?



Simon,

But metered billing makes them think about what they
are doing.  Does the baby need to be falling asleep
watching a 4K movie?  The best way I can put it is
renting an apartment with utilities included.  If I'm
renting an apartment in FL with electric included, my
AC is going to be set at 68 24/7.  The cat will be
very comfortable all day, why should I care.  However,
if I'm paying for electric, the cat will have to deal
with 78 during the day and I may have to deal with 72
when I get home.

Bandwidth prices are dropping for some, but for others
it is still expensive.  Not to mention the HW costs to

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Cloud Router Switch and 1Gbps

[Matt]

Ordered some SPF copper gigabit modules.  Perhaps they will work better?

On Wed, Jun 21, 2017 at 7:11 PM, Matt  wrote:
> Yes, I meant cat-5e.  We typically use Apex9 shielded outdoor with ez
> shielded connectors.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 21, 2017 at 6:50 PM, Matt  wrote:
>> We use a lot of these Mikrotik 24 port rack mount switches.  Does
>> anyone else have trouble getting there copper ethernet ports to hold
>> 1Gbps connections on around 150 foot cat-5 runs with APC surge
>> arrestors?
>>
>> I have had this issue with PMP450i gear doing sync over power but now
>> I am having the issue with SAF Lumina gear as well and there is no
>> sync over power there.

Re: [AFMUG] From start to finish

[Jaime Solorza]

One cabinet has batteries.. and
fans...the other has PLC, solar controller, Phoenix Contact I/O radios,
terminal blocks , fuses, lightning protection and sensors...will look for
pictures..no one caught the typo their programmer made..
Jaime Solorza

On Jun 21, 2017 7:24 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:

> Yep..3dB...link is short using Phoenix Contact I/O 900Mhz 1 watt
> radios...used H polarity to minimize interference from Schneider Treo
> radios in same band using V polarity at other nearby sites.
>
> Jaime Solorza
>
> On Jun 21, 2017 7:19 PM, "Jay Weekley"  wrote:
>
>> Is that a teanoe weanie yagi at the top?
>>
>> Jaime Solorza wrote:
>>
>>> Here is picture I took today in Dona Ana NM of project we did months
>>> back...water lines are finally done...so now they have SCADA system
>>> operational.
>>>
>>> Jaime Solorza
>>>
>>> >> rce=link_campaign=sig-email_content=emailclient>Virus-free.
>>> www.avg.com >> rce=link_campaign=sig-email_content=emailclient>
>>>
>>> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>
>>>
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Ready for the Xbox one X and 100GB games?

[Kurt Fankhauser]

Can you block/throttle a VPN connection with DPI? Make it so that if the
customer turns it on the VPN their connection gets worse than with it off?

On Wed, Jun 21, 2017 at 11:43 PM, Jeremy  wrote:

> On that point, we tell them that it is not our responsibility to track
> their specific usage.  We tell them that their are routers like the
> Fortigate which can track usage, but that we do not support those devices.
> I tell them that I think the new Torch router does it too, but that we have
> no experience with these devices.  "The only way that we track which
> websites are visited and what you are doing on the Internet is with a
> warrant or an order from the Department of Justice".  We stand behind our
> usage tracking, and if they do not want to pay the bill then they can find
> another provider.  We have lost two or three customers over four years who
> refuse to pay, and it usually isn't worth sending those ones to
> collections.  We just go and collect our equipment and write it off as bad
> debt.
>
> On Wed, Jun 21, 2017 at 7:52 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
>> That's an interesting point.
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Stefan Englhardt" 
>> To: af@afmug.com; "Wireless Administrator" 
>> Sent: 6/21/2017 3:18:07 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ready for the Xbox one X and 100GB games?
>>
>> We fade out our usage based plans. *Every* single customer who had to pay
>>> surplus makes us a lot of work. Calls from each single family member, what
>>> IP is this. Why cant you tell me what x.y.z.w is. I dont use Akamai ...
>>> You have to take care there is no angry escalating dispute for a view
>>> Euros. I am sure this service times cost us more money than the customers
>>> had to pay surplus. We have to do flat pricing.
>>>
>>> On Wed, 21 Jun 2017 18:59:41 +
>>>  "Wireless Administrator"  wrote:
>>>
 This industry is in trouble.  Nobody wants usage based billing.
 Customers don’t want it for obvious reasons. ISP’s are afraid to implement
 it for fear of losing customers.  If you lose money on an account is it
 really an asset to your business? I feel that the Large ISP’s have already
 implemented Usage Based Rate Adjustment. They seem to have an automated
 process to adjust rates that will force off the heavy users.  Our industry
 will not get respect until it asks for it.  UBB or UBRA (New term I coined)
 is the way ….



 Steve



 From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mark - Myakka
 Technologies
 Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2017 2:07 PM
 To: Simon Westlake
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ready for the Xbox one X and 100GB games?



 Simon,

 But metered billing makes them think about what they are doing.  Does
 the baby need to be falling asleep watching a 4K movie?  The best way I can
 put it is renting an apartment with utilities included.  If I'm renting an
 apartment in FL with electric included, my AC is going to be set at 68
 24/7.  The cat will be very comfortable all day, why should I care.
 However, if I'm paying for electric, the cat will have to deal with 78
 during the day and I may have to deal with 72 when I get home.

 Bandwidth prices are dropping for some, but for others it is still
 expensive.  Not to mention the HW costs to upgrade your network to handle
 the higher bandwidth internally.
 4K tvs cost more to buy than 1080  or 720 TV's.  Why should someone who
 is willing to stream at 720 or pay for satellite TV, be forced to pay the
 same as that guy that wants to watch in 4K.  Why should a single person who
 just needs dependable fast internet occasionally be force to pay the same
 amount as the family with 6 kids and 30 devices?  Why should the kid
 willing to buy his game on a disc be forced to pay the same as the guy who
 doesn't want to get up off the couch to change a disc?
 Why is it we are the only industry that is expected to deliver a top
 notch fast and reliable service at a single low price.  The electric
 company gets to charge per KW, the all you can eat buffet charges per
 person, the cell phone company charges per device, cable/satellite charges
 per box, hell even the streaming companies get to put limits on the number
 of people that can stream per account.  Why is it when we ask a heavy user
 to pay their fair share all hell breaks lose and we are the greedy 
 bastards?


 -- Best regards,
 Mark mailto:
 m...@mailmt.com

 Myakka Technologies, Inc.
  www.MyakkaTech.com

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Re: [AFMUG] From start to finish

[Matt]

What's inside the cabinets?


On Wed, Jun 21, 2017 at 7:22 PM, Jaime Solorza
 wrote:
> Here is picture I took today in Dona Ana NM of project we did months
> back...water lines are finally done...so now they have SCADA system
> operational.
>
> Jaime Solorza

Re: [AFMUG] Fwd: St. Louis Telecom Data Center FOR SALE

[Kurt Fankhauser]

they should have an auction...

On Wed, Jun 21, 2017 at 12:38 PM, Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> Very cool, I would love to, just have to dig up a few million :)
>
>
> On Wednesday, June 21, 2017, Faisal Imtiaz 
> wrote:
>
>> Anyone Want to buy a Data Center in St. Louis ?
>>
>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>> Miami, FL 33155
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <(305)%20663-5518>
>>
>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <(305)%20663-5518> Option 2 or Email:
>> supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>
>> --
>>
>> *From: *"Executive Director" 
>> *To: *"FISPA Members List" 
>> *Cc: *br...@blockhawley.com
>> *Sent: *Wednesday, June 21, 2017 10:05:52 AM
>> *Subject: *[FISPA Members] St. Louis Telecom Data Center FOR SALE
>>
>> Perhaps a member or someone a member knows would be interested in this
>> data center.
>>
>>
>>
>> --begin description--
>>
>>
>>
>> Previous tenant occupying the facility (Level 3) vacated about a month
>> ago due to consolidations from being acquired by CenturyLink.
>>
>>
>>
>> Level 3 wanted to exit their lease and in doing so had to agree to
>> forfeit all of the data facility infrastructure — so basically my client
>>  was left with a 3.5MW redundant turn key data facility at no cost. It has
>> everything from cooling, fire suppression, power, backup generators and
>> several fiber providers on site, etc.
>>
>>
>>
>> Global Crossing and Level 3 spent more than $24mil dollars in building
>> out the facility. Since Level 3 has vacated, several parties have flown in
>> and have made offers to buy the infrastructure to expand their data centers
>> in other areas. These offers will expire towards the end of the month, so
>> we have to make a decision on what we will do soon. We had a consultant
>> walk through and they advised us not to sell the equipment and to find a
>> local buyer, because the installation of the equipment alone is "worth
>> millions of dollars".
>>
>>
>>
>> The predicament we are currently in, is that we have to make a decision
>> on accepting an offer for the infrastructure within the next 3 weeks. Our
>> net take away after we would sell the infrastructure and the site
>> separately is only $3.5 mil..   We were told that someone local would
>> easily pay that and more for the site, so I wanted to run it past you to to
>> see if you could help us find a buyer/user. At this time, my client would
>> be more interested in selling it, but could also be open for a lease.
>>
>>
>>
>> The building is 53,500 sq ft, with half of it warehouse shell leased
>> (income generating) to an Ameren UE contractor, and the other half
>> built-out as the data facility. We have comparables of data facilities like
>> this in other secondary markets that suggest the building is worth more
>> than $7mil+, but as you may know this type of property requires a special
>> user, as opposed to other forms of real estate.
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[AFMUG] Trango Apex+

[chuck]

Does anyone know if the Apex+ antenna will take a regular Remec radio?  Like 
the PTP800?

[AFMUG] Peplink routers now support file-sharing blocking

[Rory Conaway]

Didn't realize that our last firmware update added the ability to block 
torrents and actually a whole bunch of categories.

Rory Conaway * Triad Wireless * CEO
4226 S. 37th Street * Phoenix * AZ 85040
602-426-0542
r...@triadwireless.net
www.triadwireless.net

"I think I throw the ball as hard as anyone. The ball just doesn't get there as 
fast." - Eddie Bane