Re: [AFMUG] Are Airrouter HP's discontinued?

[Steve Jones]

I doubt its fully DC based on the firmwares on them


On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 11:23 PM, Mathew Howard 
wrote:

> As a general rule, I think UBNT pretty much keeps building stuff as long
> as people keep buying it regardless of how obsolete it is or how many years
> it's been gone from their website.
>
> This particular question has come up a few times over the past few
> years... they had buried the airrouters under legacy products or something
> like that a few years ago. If distributors still have them in stock, it's
> not likely they've been discontinued.
>
> On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 11:06 PM, Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> lol, does UBNT website actually reflect their product offerings, Ive come
>> to just look at their website as more of their poster board of ideas
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 11:04 PM, Rory Conaway 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Yea but they aren’t on the website any longer.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Rory
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 27, 2017 6:11 PM
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Are Airrouter HP's discontinued?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 400 of them at Streakwave.  Make sure you're getting the US model?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 7:43 PM, Rory Conaway 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Are Airrouter HP's discontinued?

[Mathew Howard]

As a general rule, I think UBNT pretty much keeps building stuff as long as
people keep buying it regardless of how obsolete it is or how many years
it's been gone from their website.

This particular question has come up a few times over the past few years...
they had buried the airrouters under legacy products or something like that
a few years ago. If distributors still have them in stock, it's not likely
they've been discontinued.

On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 11:06 PM, Steve Jones 
wrote:

> lol, does UBNT website actually reflect their product offerings, Ive come
> to just look at their website as more of their poster board of ideas
>
> On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 11:04 PM, Rory Conaway 
> wrote:
>
>> Yea but they aren’t on the website any longer.
>>
>>
>>
>> Rory
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 27, 2017 6:11 PM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Are Airrouter HP's discontinued?
>>
>>
>>
>> 400 of them at Streakwave.  Make sure you're getting the US model?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 7:43 PM, Rory Conaway 
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] So Silicon Valley WISP startup gets $7M investment?

[Rory Conaway]

IgniteNet has done a good job at getting them to work at more than a mile with 
no problems by using the edge of the 60GHz band.  Now, does that mean it’s 
going to work near the ocean, the Midwest near the lakes, etc…. at those 
distances?  Of course not.  But it will work for ½ mile at least in most cases 
and drop to 5GHz when it can’t.  Considering the distance you will use it at, 
5GHz at PTP for ½ mile is still going to pull 200Mbps or more.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 8:44 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] So Silicon Valley WISP startup gets $7M investment?

I'm definitely able to be wrong, and I don't need to smoke anything to be 
wrong.  I've done 60ghz exactly zero times.  I've smoked things I probably 
shouldn't more than zero times, but zero times in the past 15 years.

I'm just taking free space loss and adding tx power and antenna gain from the 
spec sheets, then comparing to RSSI required for a given MCS.  Seems like 1/2 
mile for top performance and maybe you get MCS 1 at 5 miles.

What am I missing?



-- Original Message --
From: "Eric Kuhnke" >
To: "af@afmug.com" >
Sent: 6/27/2017 10:01:02 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] So Silicon Valley WISP startup gets $7M investment?

60 GHz PtMP at 1-3 miles?  I want some of whatever you're smoking because it 
must be some primo stuff. If you put up a few 500 to 800 meter distance 60 GHz 
PTP links and monitor them over a multi month period, you'll see that you 
really don't want to go much longer than that. I can't imagine that the gain of 
the Ignitenet 60 GHz sector antenna is much better than a typical 25, 30 or 
60cm parabolic antenna used for 60 GHz PTP stuff.

If I had to guess the 60 GHz PtMP will be reliable at distance of more like 
400-500 meters, tops, with properly aimed CPEs.

On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 6:52 PM, Adam Moffett 
> wrote:
What IgniteNet is selling is a 60ghz PTMP with a built in 5ghz backup radio.  
It's understood that the 60ghz connection will go down due to rain fade, but 
the built-in 5ghz backup should keep the customer trucking (with reduced 
capacity).  I think you'd be installing at ranges of 1-3 miles for the 60ghz to 
run at decent MCS, and at that range I think you'll still get decent capacity 
out of the 5ghz.  You'll get a lower speed test, but I'd bet it's possible to 
design so that Netflix keeps running.


-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck McCown" >
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 6/27/2017 11:38:32 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] So Silicon Valley WISP startup gets $7M investment?

1. What is acceptable downtime on pure 60GHz.  It is possible to engineering it 
to practically no downtime although less economical.

Zero.  If it goes down the phone will ring.  With a well designed and installed 
Canopy system there was no downtime.

2. What is the acceptable backup bandwidth?  If there is at least SOME internet 
available during 4-5" rains, is that acceptable?
If you are talking about something built in, then the acceptable backup is 
whatever fools the customer into thinking that Netflix is not impacted.

Re: [AFMUG] Are Airrouter HP's discontinued?

[Steve Jones]

lol, does UBNT website actually reflect their product offerings, Ive come
to just look at their website as more of their poster board of ideas

On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 11:04 PM, Rory Conaway 
wrote:

> Yea but they aren’t on the website any longer.
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 27, 2017 6:11 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Are Airrouter HP's discontinued?
>
>
>
> 400 of them at Streakwave.  Make sure you're getting the US model?
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 7:43 PM, Rory Conaway 
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>

[AFMUG] Dealing with a lease violation (5ghz)

[Steve Jones]

I am not asking about any FCC Part X rules, I know this isn't an FCC issue
under any circumstances.

We have leases with all our POP landlords, in the lease we own the site
spectrum, with the exception of very few locations we don't collocate, just
not worth the hassle.

I come rolling up on a site today, 100 feet from our POP is a new POP, not
us, cause though I used to enjoy spooning some powder with baking soda, I
don't smoke crack, POP#2 isn't ours, even though its on the same property,
Id recall a full EPMP and backhaul deployment.

I'm an honest operator, very honest, like the first time UBT sent us new
stickers for spectrum I made sure we actually put them out (be honest,
pretty much NOBODY did that) I turn down power where we don't need it. I do
my best to make sure we are compliant. I fought bosses to remove non
compliant stuff I put up before I knew better. For the most part, I'm a
good fucking neighbor, ask anybody abutting me. (with the exception of one
location I collocate where I'm a dick, but a legal dick)

So you can understand my dismay, being the pillar of the spectrum community
Ive tried to be (also found out today I inadvertently fucked a fellow wisp
on a bad choice I made with no follow up, I owned it with him and will be
working on fixing that as of tomorrow)

I approach everything with combat boots, assuming a battle. I'm guessing
when it gets in the database this backhaul is going to be UBNT 11ghz, or
some other nonsense (probably affiliated with the over wind loaded tower
3/4 miles away with 3, yes 3, UBNT 5ghz peanut shaped airfibers within 8
feet of one another (one link, one side points to the sky the other side
points to the dirt)

The question I have is about lease rules, and contract law, which the bulk
of you old timers has dealt with. If the other operator (if its who I
suspect it is, they use fuckery, like the UBNT demo mode, or whatever its
called and other such garbage to even operate overpowered in DFS channels)
doesn't want to play ball, as in "shut that shit off" will we be able to
fight it?

I know what went down, and how it went down, and I suspect I know who it
is. The usual, guy approaches a site owner, offers unrealistic unicorn
farts, unicorn farts always win, spectrum gets fucked.

We do 5 year auto renewing leases, with 2 year breakouts. (you guys would
likely cream your jeans seeing our lease, and though Ive asked, no I cant
share it publicly, and yes, it was drawn up by an attorney) we get full
control of the 5, 6, 11, 3, 2, 900mhz, etc spectrum (I don't have a lease
handy to see the specific wording) per the site.

I know we wouldn't have a horse in the race with the FCC, but with this
boiling down to contract law, whats to stop us from A. willful interference
(assuming out power doesn't get cut) and B. a cease and desist from a court
for the other ISP, pending the 2 year termination?

I'm handing this to the boss to handle, because my communication will start
with "listen here motherfucker" and I don't see that as conducive to a
positive outcome. I had my boy with me when I came to the site today
because I was just getting accurate AGLs for bringing in a licensed
backhaul. If he hadn't been with me, I probably would have yanked their
ghetto enclosure off the wall and shot their antennas.

Ill tell you what, I'm about to start acting like a lot of these yahoos and
saying fuck the FCC, fuck good stewardship of the spectrum, and fuck
general good manners.

TBH I'm not sure if I'm asking advice here or just venting. probably both.
but FYI, I'm so pissed off right now, if you have an ex old lady who needs
disappeared, I'm your freaking guy

Re: [AFMUG] Are Airrouter HP's discontinued?

[Rory Conaway]

Yea but they aren’t on the website any longer.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 6:11 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Are Airrouter HP's discontinued?

400 of them at Streakwave.  Make sure you're getting the US model?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 7:43 PM, Rory Conaway 
> wrote:

Re: [AFMUG] So Silicon Valley WISP startup gets $7M investment?

[Adam Moffett]

I'm definitely able to be wrong, and I don't need to smoke anything to 
be wrong.  I've done 60ghz exactly zero times.  I've smoked things I 
probably shouldn't more than zero times, but zero times in the past 15 
years.


I'm just taking free space loss and adding tx power and antenna gain 
from the spec sheets, then comparing to RSSI required for a given MCS.  
Seems like 1/2 mile for top performance and maybe you get MCS 1 at 5 
miles.


What am I missing?



-- Original Message --
From: "Eric Kuhnke" 
To: "af@afmug.com" 
Sent: 6/27/2017 10:01:02 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] So Silicon Valley WISP startup gets $7M investment?

60 GHz PtMP at 1-3 miles?  I want some of whatever you're smoking 
because it must be some primo stuff. If you put up a few 500 to 800 
meter distance 60 GHz PTP links and monitor them over a multi month 
period, you'll see that you really don't want to go much longer than 
that. I can't imagine that the gain of the Ignitenet 60 GHz sector 
antenna is much better than a typical 25, 30 or 60cm parabolic antenna 
used for 60 GHz PTP stuff.


If I had to guess the 60 GHz PtMP will be reliable at distance of more 
like 400-500 meters, tops, with properly aimed CPEs.


On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 6:52 PM, Adam Moffett  
wrote:
What IgniteNet is selling is a 60ghz PTMP with a built in 5ghz backup 
radio.  It's understood that the 60ghz connection will go down due to 
rain fade, but the built-in 5ghz backup should keep the customer 
trucking (with reduced capacity).  I think you'd be installing at 
ranges of 1-3 miles for the 60ghz to run at decent MCS, and at that 
range I think you'll still get decent capacity out of the 5ghz.  
You'll get a lower speed test, but I'd bet it's possible to design so 
that Netflix keeps running.



-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 6/27/2017 11:38:32 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] So Silicon Valley WISP startup gets $7M 
investment?


1. What is acceptable downtime on pure 60GHz.  It is possible to 
engineering it to practically no downtime although less economical.


Zero.  If it goes down the phone will ring.  With a well designed 
and installed Canopy system there was no downtime.


2. What is the acceptable backup bandwidth?  If there is at least 
SOME internet available during 4-5" rains, is that acceptable?
If you are talking about something built in, then the acceptable 
backup is whatever fools the customer into thinking that Netflix is 
not impacted.

Re: [AFMUG] Are Airrouter HP's discontinued?

[Steve Jones]

We are still getting regular AirRouters, I cant see the HP would exit the
market before a DC model

On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 10:06 PM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> Seriously doubt it.
>
> Johns Hopkins University/Applied Physics Laboratory (JHU/APL) is
> coordinating an evaluation of the Persistent Systems MPU-5 handheld radio
> to support New York City Police Department (NYPD) tactical operations. One
> of the RF frequencies selected for use during the evaluation, 2377 MHz, is
> contained within a band requiring prior coordination with AFTRCC *(Aerospace
> Flight Radio)*
>
> January 2017
>
> https://apps.fcc.gov/els/GetAtt.html?id=186650=.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 9:23 PM, Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> What you don't need 2300 to 2700MHz coverage?  We got one at Tornillo ISD
>> years ago..not much we could do with it... doesn't Sirius use 2377MHz?
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>>
>> On Jun 27, 2017 7:11 PM, "Josh Luthman" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> 400 of them at Streakwave.  Make sure you're getting the US model?
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 7:43 PM, Rory Conaway 
>>> wrote:
>>>


>>>
>>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Another Ransomware Cyberattack today

[Steve Jones]

Am I the only one who finds this a very convenient issue, hitting the
Ukraine, a week after we find the prior administration "planted seeds"
Ukraine being a hot button issue in US/Russia relations, Main Stream Media
actually reporting a prior administration blunder, and WikiLeaks for 3
months releasing the CIA toolset?

I'm one step away from calling in a jade helm FEMA camp drone strike on
this one

On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 12:14 PM, Rory Conaway 
wrote:

> https://www.forbes.com/sites/thomasbrewster/2017/06/27/
> ransomware-spreads-rapidly-hitting-power-companies-banks-
> airlines-metro/#4bbb58a97abd
>
>
>
> *Rory Conaway **• Triad Wireless •** CEO*
>
> *4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040*
>
> *602-426-0542 <(602)%20426-0542>*
>
> *r...@triadwireless.net *
>
> *www.triadwireless.net *
>
>
>
> “I think I throw the ball as hard as anyone. The ball just doesn't get
> there as fast.” — Eddie Bane
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Are Airrouter HP's discontinued?

[Josh Luthman]

Seriously doubt it.

Johns Hopkins University/Applied Physics Laboratory (JHU/APL) is
coordinating an evaluation of the Persistent Systems MPU-5 handheld radio
to support New York City Police Department (NYPD) tactical operations. One
of the RF frequencies selected for use during the evaluation, 2377 MHz, is
contained within a band requiring prior coordination with AFTRCC *(Aerospace
Flight Radio)*

January 2017

https://apps.fcc.gov/els/GetAtt.html?id=186650=.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 9:23 PM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> What you don't need 2300 to 2700MHz coverage?  We got one at Tornillo ISD
> years ago..not much we could do with it... doesn't Sirius use 2377MHz?
>
> Jaime Solorza
>
> On Jun 27, 2017 7:11 PM, "Josh Luthman" 
> wrote:
>
>> 400 of them at Streakwave.  Make sure you're getting the US model?
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 7:43 PM, Rory Conaway 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] So Silicon Valley WISP startup gets $7M investment?

[Eric Kuhnke]

60 GHz has very different atmospheric performance than 71-86 GHz FDD.  2
miles at 80 GHz with 60cm/2' dishes is pretty normal now. The peak in this
chart right at 60 GHz is one of the reasons why it's unlicensed.

http://forum.flitetest.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=36164=1418680522=1


On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 7:06 PM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> I have installed 2 mile 80GHz links at Fort Bliss several years ago..I am
> sure newer technology will improve fade margin.
>
> Jaime Solorza
>
> On Jun 27, 2017 8:01 PM, "Eric Kuhnke"  wrote:
>
>> 60 GHz PtMP at 1-3 miles?  I want some of whatever you're smoking because
>> it must be some primo stuff. If you put up a few 500 to 800 meter distance
>> 60 GHz PTP links and monitor them over a multi month period, you'll see
>> that you really don't want to go much longer than that. I can't imagine
>> that the gain of the Ignitenet 60 GHz sector antenna is much better than a
>> typical 25, 30 or 60cm parabolic antenna used for 60 GHz PTP stuff.
>>
>> If I had to guess the 60 GHz PtMP will be reliable at distance of more
>> like 400-500 meters, tops, with properly aimed CPEs.
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 6:52 PM, Adam Moffett 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> What IgniteNet is selling is a 60ghz PTMP with a built in 5ghz backup
>>> radio.  It's understood that the 60ghz connection will go down due to rain
>>> fade, but the built-in 5ghz backup should keep the customer trucking (with
>>> reduced capacity).  I think you'd be installing at ranges of 1-3 miles for
>>> the 60ghz to run at decent MCS, and at that range I think you'll still get
>>> decent capacity out of the 5ghz.  You'll get a lower speed test, but I'd
>>> bet it's possible to design so that Netflix keeps running.
>>>
>>>
>>> -- Original Message --
>>> From: "Chuck McCown" 
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Sent: 6/27/2017 11:38:32 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] So Silicon Valley WISP startup gets $7M investment?
>>>
>>> 1. What is acceptable downtime on pure 60GHz.  It is possible to
>>> engineering it to practically no downtime although less economical.
>>>
>>>
>>> Zero.  If it goes down the phone will ring.  With a well designed and
>>> installed Canopy system there was no downtime.
>>>
>>>
>>> 2. What is the acceptable backup bandwidth?  If there is at least SOME
>>> internet available during 4-5" rains, is that acceptable?
>>>
>>> If you are talking about something built in, then the acceptable backup
>>> is whatever fools the customer into thinking that Netflix is not impacted.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] So Silicon Valley WISP startup gets $7M investment?

[Jaime Solorza]

I have installed 2 mile 80GHz links at Fort Bliss several years ago..I am
sure newer technology will improve fade margin.

Jaime Solorza

On Jun 27, 2017 8:01 PM, "Eric Kuhnke"  wrote:

> 60 GHz PtMP at 1-3 miles?  I want some of whatever you're smoking because
> it must be some primo stuff. If you put up a few 500 to 800 meter distance
> 60 GHz PTP links and monitor them over a multi month period, you'll see
> that you really don't want to go much longer than that. I can't imagine
> that the gain of the Ignitenet 60 GHz sector antenna is much better than a
> typical 25, 30 or 60cm parabolic antenna used for 60 GHz PTP stuff.
>
> If I had to guess the 60 GHz PtMP will be reliable at distance of more
> like 400-500 meters, tops, with properly aimed CPEs.
>
> On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 6:52 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
>> What IgniteNet is selling is a 60ghz PTMP with a built in 5ghz backup
>> radio.  It's understood that the 60ghz connection will go down due to rain
>> fade, but the built-in 5ghz backup should keep the customer trucking (with
>> reduced capacity).  I think you'd be installing at ranges of 1-3 miles for
>> the 60ghz to run at decent MCS, and at that range I think you'll still get
>> decent capacity out of the 5ghz.  You'll get a lower speed test, but I'd
>> bet it's possible to design so that Netflix keeps running.
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Chuck McCown" 
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: 6/27/2017 11:38:32 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] So Silicon Valley WISP startup gets $7M investment?
>>
>> 1. What is acceptable downtime on pure 60GHz.  It is possible to
>> engineering it to practically no downtime although less economical.
>>
>>
>> Zero.  If it goes down the phone will ring.  With a well designed and
>> installed Canopy system there was no downtime.
>>
>>
>> 2. What is the acceptable backup bandwidth?  If there is at least SOME
>> internet available during 4-5" rains, is that acceptable?
>>
>> If you are talking about something built in, then the acceptable backup
>> is whatever fools the customer into thinking that Netflix is not impacted.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] So Silicon Valley WISP startup gets $7M investment?

[Eric Kuhnke]

60 GHz PtMP at 1-3 miles?  I want some of whatever you're smoking because
it must be some primo stuff. If you put up a few 500 to 800 meter distance
60 GHz PTP links and monitor them over a multi month period, you'll see
that you really don't want to go much longer than that. I can't imagine
that the gain of the Ignitenet 60 GHz sector antenna is much better than a
typical 25, 30 or 60cm parabolic antenna used for 60 GHz PTP stuff.

If I had to guess the 60 GHz PtMP will be reliable at distance of more like
400-500 meters, tops, with properly aimed CPEs.

On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 6:52 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

> What IgniteNet is selling is a 60ghz PTMP with a built in 5ghz backup
> radio.  It's understood that the 60ghz connection will go down due to rain
> fade, but the built-in 5ghz backup should keep the customer trucking (with
> reduced capacity).  I think you'd be installing at ranges of 1-3 miles for
> the 60ghz to run at decent MCS, and at that range I think you'll still get
> decent capacity out of the 5ghz.  You'll get a lower speed test, but I'd
> bet it's possible to design so that Netflix keeps running.
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Chuck McCown" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 6/27/2017 11:38:32 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] So Silicon Valley WISP startup gets $7M investment?
>
> 1. What is acceptable downtime on pure 60GHz.  It is possible to
> engineering it to practically no downtime although less economical.
>
>
> Zero.  If it goes down the phone will ring.  With a well designed and
> installed Canopy system there was no downtime.
>
>
> 2. What is the acceptable backup bandwidth?  If there is at least SOME
> internet available during 4-5" rains, is that acceptable?
>
> If you are talking about something built in, then the acceptable backup is
> whatever fools the customer into thinking that Netflix is not impacted.
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] So Silicon Valley WISP startup gets $7M investment?

[Adam Moffett]

What IgniteNet is selling is a 60ghz PTMP with a built in 5ghz backup 
radio.  It's understood that the 60ghz connection will go down due to 
rain fade, but the built-in 5ghz backup should keep the customer 
trucking (with reduced capacity).  I think you'd be installing at ranges 
of 1-3 miles for the 60ghz to run at decent MCS, and at that range I 
think you'll still get decent capacity out of the 5ghz.  You'll get a 
lower speed test, but I'd bet it's possible to design so that Netflix 
keeps running.



-- Original Message --
From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 6/27/2017 11:38:32 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] So Silicon Valley WISP startup gets $7M investment?

1. What is acceptable downtime on pure 60GHz.  It is possible to 
engineering it to practically no downtime although less economical.


Zero.  If it goes down the phone will ring.  With a well designed and 
installed Canopy system there was no downtime.


2. What is the acceptable backup bandwidth?  If there is at least SOME 
internet available during 4-5" rains, is that acceptable?
If you are talking about something built in, then the acceptable 
backup is whatever fools the customer into thinking that Netflix is 
not impacted.

Re: [AFMUG] Exalt Diplexers

[Adair Winter]

Might be worth a shot!
I'll see what I can dig up.

On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 8:39 PM, Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> A couple of years ago ,we installed an Exalt link for city of Midland PD.
> They had several diplexers extra due to mix up.  Not sure if they kept
> them...we left them with head of IT at main court house building.  Long
> shot...
>
> Jaime Solorza
>
> On Jun 27, 2017 6:54 PM, "Adair Winter" 
> wrote:
>
>> I'm looking for a set of Band 1 diplexers for Exalt ExtendAir G2. Anyone
>> have any they want to sell?
>>
>> --
>>
>> Adair Winter
>> VP, Network Operations / Co-Owner
>> Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071 <(806)%20316-5071>
>> C: 806.231.7180 <(806)%20231-7180>
>> http://www.amarillowireless.net
>> 
>>
>>
>>


-- 

Adair Winter
VP, Network Operations / Co-Owner
Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071
C: 806.231.7180
http://www.amarillowireless.net

Re: [AFMUG] Exalt Diplexers

[Adair Winter]

Oh yes, I suppose that would be good info to have..

11Ghz Band 1.

Good catch, sorry about that!

On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 8:43 PM, Colin Stanners  wrote:

> Band 1 of which frequency range?
>
> On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 7:54 PM, Adair Winter  > wrote:
>
>> I'm looking for a set of Band 1 diplexers for Exalt ExtendAir G2. Anyone
>> have any they want to sell?
>>
>> --
>>
>> Adair Winter
>> VP, Network Operations / Co-Owner
>> Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071 <(806)%20316-5071>
>> C: 806.231.7180 <(806)%20231-7180>
>> http://www.amarillowireless.net
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>


-- 

Adair Winter
VP, Network Operations / Co-Owner
Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071
C: 806.231.7180
http://www.amarillowireless.net

Re: [AFMUG] Exalt Diplexers

[Jaime Solorza]

Forgot to mention...these were 11GHz versions...

Jaime Solorza

On Jun 27, 2017 7:39 PM, "Jaime Solorza"  wrote:

> A couple of years ago ,we installed an Exalt link for city of Midland PD.
> They had several diplexers extra due to mix up.  Not sure if they kept
> them...we left them with head of IT at main court house building.  Long
> shot...
>
> Jaime Solorza
>
> On Jun 27, 2017 6:54 PM, "Adair Winter" 
> wrote:
>
>> I'm looking for a set of Band 1 diplexers for Exalt ExtendAir G2. Anyone
>> have any they want to sell?
>>
>> --
>>
>> Adair Winter
>> VP, Network Operations / Co-Owner
>> Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071 <(806)%20316-5071>
>> C: 806.231.7180 <(806)%20231-7180>
>> http://www.amarillowireless.net
>> 
>>
>>
>>

Re: [AFMUG] Exalt Diplexers

[Colin Stanners]

Band 1 of which frequency range?

On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 7:54 PM, Adair Winter 
wrote:

> I'm looking for a set of Band 1 diplexers for Exalt ExtendAir G2. Anyone
> have any they want to sell?
>
> --
>
> Adair Winter
> VP, Network Operations / Co-Owner
> Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071 <(806)%20316-5071>
> C: 806.231.7180 <(806)%20231-7180>
> http://www.amarillowireless.net
> 
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Exalt Diplexers

[Jaime Solorza]

A couple of years ago ,we installed an Exalt link for city of Midland PD.
They had several diplexers extra due to mix up.  Not sure if they kept
them...we left them with head of IT at main court house building.  Long
shot...

Jaime Solorza

On Jun 27, 2017 6:54 PM, "Adair Winter"  wrote:

> I'm looking for a set of Band 1 diplexers for Exalt ExtendAir G2. Anyone
> have any they want to sell?
>
> --
>
> Adair Winter
> VP, Network Operations / Co-Owner
> Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071 <(806)%20316-5071>
> C: 806.231.7180 <(806)%20231-7180>
> http://www.amarillowireless.net
> 
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Are Airrouter HP's discontinued?

[Jaime Solorza]

What you don't need 2300 to 2700MHz coverage?  We got one at Tornillo ISD
years ago..not much we could do with it... doesn't Sirius use 2377MHz?

Jaime Solorza

On Jun 27, 2017 7:11 PM, "Josh Luthman"  wrote:

> 400 of them at Streakwave.  Make sure you're getting the US model?
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 7:43 PM, Rory Conaway 
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Are Airrouter HP's discontinued?

[Josh Luthman]

400 of them at Streakwave.  Make sure you're getting the US model?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 7:43 PM, Rory Conaway 
wrote:

>
>

[AFMUG] Exalt Diplexers

[Adair Winter]

I'm looking for a set of Band 1 diplexers for Exalt ExtendAir G2. Anyone
have any they want to sell?

-- 

Adair Winter
VP, Network Operations / Co-Owner
Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071
C: 806.231.7180
http://www.amarillowireless.net

Re: [AFMUG] Tower security camera recommendations

[Jaime Solorza]

One more time.. compressed video down to 4 from 20mbps. . playback at 8x..

Jaime Solorza

On Jun 26, 2017 8:06 AM, "Jay Weekley"  wrote:

> Do you have a model you like?
>
> Mike Hammett wrote:
>
>> UniFi Video
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> > telligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>> company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>> > com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
>> The Brothers WISP 
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>> 
>> *From: *"Jay Weekley" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Monday, June 26, 2017 9:03:21 AM
>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Tower security camera recommendations
>>
>> It's time for security cameras at some of our sites.  I'm looking for
>> good night time performance, IP based with the ability to send captures
>> by email or text (preferably) when motion is detected. Any
>> recommendations?
>>
>>
>> > source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=emailclient>
>> Virus-free. www.avg.com > ature?utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign=sig-
>> email_content=emailclient>
>>
>> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2>
>>
>
>

[AFMUG] Are Airrouter HP's discontinued?

[Rory Conaway]

Re: [AFMUG] 15.1 Radar

[Eric Muehleisen]

Yes. Two events yesterday on same AP. I have no previous history since this
AP is a new install. It's mounted to a concrete grain elevator, so the
backside is completely shielded. I have a feeling they are false positives.

On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 2:16 PM, Chris Wright  wrote:

> Ever since upgrading to 15.1 the beginning of June,  I’m noticing a
> significant jump in radar incidents on several of my 450 APs on different
> towers pointing in different directions. Anyone else seeing an increase?
> The Y-axis in the attached image is radar events in increments of 50.
>
>
>
> Chris Wright
>
> Network Administrator
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 15.1 Radar

[Josh Luthman]

Can you see what they were compared to the last 18 months?  I wonder if it
isn't related to all the other weird 5 GHz stuff.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 3:16 PM, Chris Wright  wrote:

> Ever since upgrading to 15.1 the beginning of June,  I’m noticing a
> significant jump in radar incidents on several of my 450 APs on different
> towers pointing in different directions. Anyone else seeing an increase?
> The Y-axis in the attached image is radar events in increments of 50.
>
>
>
> Chris Wright
>
> Network Administrator
>
>
>

[AFMUG] 15.1 Radar

[Chris Wright]

Ever since upgrading to 15.1 the beginning of June,  I'm noticing a
significant jump in radar incidents on several of my 450 APs on different
towers pointing in different directions. Anyone else seeing an increase? The
Y-axis in the attached image is radar events in increments of 50.

 

Chris Wright

Network Administrator

 

Re: [AFMUG] Shielded Cat6 connectors

[Sterling Jacobson]

I use Cat6 EZ-RJ45 stuff all the time.

This is what I ordered:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002PI85LQ/


https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00939KFOU/

I'm getting to the point where I can't see fine writing close, or wiring in 
semi-dark like I used to.


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 8:40 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Shielded Cat6 connectors

My problem is I cannot see that well anymore.  I have to use a magnifying glass 
every time I terminate a cable.

-Original Message-
From: David Coudron
Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 8:24 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Shielded Cat6 connectors

Yes, these Platinum connectors are those.   We had used the Platinum Cat5e 
connectors and really like the push through feature.   The part number 
listed below is a Cat 6/6a design that also allows for this, but a different 
crimper is required.  That is the other part number.   We are pretty hopeful 
these work better than the loading bar and non push through design.

Thanks,

David Coudron
david.coud...@advantenon.com  |  Mobile: 612-991-7474

Advantenon, Inc.
i...@advantenon.com  |  3500 Vicksburg Lane N, Suite 315, Plymouth, MN 55447 
|  www.advantenon.com  |  Phone: 800-704-4720  |  Local: 612-454-1545



-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 9:22 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Shielded Cat6 connectors

Does anyone make CAT6 plugs where the wire goes clear through.  Cannot remember 
what that is called.

-Original Message-
From: David Coudron
Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 7:31 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Shielded Cat6 connectors

Funny, but this is the exact path we are following as well.   We tried the
Quiktrex connectors and they were  a disaster.   The loading bar is far too
messy to deal with in any where but a controlled environment.   Trying to
crimp at the top of a grainleg or tower, or even at the bottom in low lighting 
or tight spaces is very time consuming and fraught with errors.

We spoke with Platinum and have just ordered the following two parts:
100061C - New crimper with new die
202048J - New Cat6 ends that will accommodate Cat6a as I understand it.
These are not shielded ends, but from talking with Platinum, the same end will 
be available in shielded in a few weeks.

Thanks,

David Coudron
david.coud...@advantenon.com  |  Mobile: 612-991-7474

Advantenon, Inc.
i...@advantenon.com  |  3500 Vicksburg Lane N, Suite 315, Plymouth, MN 55447
|  www.advantenon.com  |  Phone: 800-704-4720  |  Local: 612-454-1545



-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jay Weekley
Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 7:49 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Shielded Cat6 connectors

Lol.  I had exactly the same discovery, opinion of the results and conversation 
with Shireen.  I'll look into the Platinum Tools.

Christopher Gray wrote:
> This is not a direct answer, but Platinum Tools is expected to release 
> a new version of their shielded EZ-RJ to fit their new EXO dies. I'm 
> expecting this is the way I'll be heading for Cat6 connections.
>
> The Shireen connectors you suggested will crimp with standard 
> crimpers, BUT, the shield will be crushed where a normal crimper would 
> set the strain relief (Shireen tells me this is fine, but it doesn't 
> look great).
>
>
>
> :)
>
> They are easy to get hold of in New Jersey.
>
> Regards.
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518  Option 2 or
> Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> - Original Message -
> > From: "Jerry Head"  >
> > To: af@afmug.com 
> > Sent: Monday, June 12, 2017 3:25:53 PM
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Shielded Cat6 connectors
>
> > Regular crimpers worked for us on these heads.
> >
> > On 6/12/2017 2:13 PM, Jay Weekley wrote:
> >> We bought some ARC wireless Cat 6 connectors to go onto Shireen
> Cat 6
> >> cable but they were a major pain to use. The wires had to be forced
> >> in instead of sliding in with minimal effort.  My idea now is
> to buy
> >> Shireen Cat 6 connectors which hopefully will work better. Does
> anyone
> >> know if these connectors require a special crimper or can we
> use what
> >> we already have?
> >>
> >>
>
> https://www.streakwave.com/itemdesc.asp?ic=CON-RJ45-C6-100===
> 0
>
> 
> >>
> >> Jay Weekley wrote:
> >>> Cat 5 should be sufficient but one radio shares a tower with 2 FM
> >>> stations so we're having to do 

Re: [AFMUG] Shielded Cat6 connectors

[Jason McKemie]

I quit using those years ago, always had problems getting the tab to lock
into Canopy units. I'm not sure if that ever got resolved, but they're not
really worth the additional cost for me.

On Tuesday, June 27, 2017, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Does anyone make CAT6 plugs where the wire goes clear through.  Cannot
> remember what that is called.
>
> -Original Message- From: David Coudron
> Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 7:31 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Shielded Cat6 connectors
>
> Funny, but this is the exact path we are following as well.   We tried the
> Quiktrex connectors and they were  a disaster.   The loading bar is far too
> messy to deal with in any where but a controlled environment.   Trying to
> crimp at the top of a grainleg or tower, or even at the bottom in low
> lighting or tight spaces is very time consuming and fraught with errors.
>
> We spoke with Platinum and have just ordered the following two parts:
> 100061C - New crimper with new die
> 202048J - New Cat6 ends that will accommodate Cat6a as I understand it.
> These are not shielded ends, but from talking with Platinum, the same end
> will be available in shielded in a few weeks.
>
> Thanks,
>
> David Coudron
> david.coud...@advantenon.com  |  Mobile: 612-991-7474
>
> Advantenon, Inc.
> i...@advantenon.com  |  3500 Vicksburg Lane N, Suite 315, Plymouth, MN
> 55447 |  www.advantenon.com  |  Phone: 800-704-4720  |  Local:
> 612-454-1545
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jay Weekley
> Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 7:49 AM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Shielded Cat6 connectors
>
> Lol.  I had exactly the same discovery, opinion of the results and
> conversation with Shireen.  I'll look into the Platinum Tools.
>
> Christopher Gray wrote:
>
>> This is not a direct answer, but Platinum Tools is expected to release
>> a new version of their shielded EZ-RJ to fit their new EXO dies. I'm
>> expecting this is the way I'll be heading for Cat6 connections.
>>
>> The Shireen connectors you suggested will crimp with standard
>> crimpers, BUT, the shield will be crushed where a normal crimper would
>> set the strain relief (Shireen tells me this is fine, but it doesn't
>> look great).
>>
>>
>>
>> :)
>>
>> They are easy to get hold of in New Jersey.
>>
>> Regards.
>>
>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>> Miami, FL 33155
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 
>>
>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518  Option 2 or
>> Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> > From: "Jerry Head" > >
>> > To: af@afmug.com 
>> > Sent: Monday, June 12, 2017 3:25:53 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Shielded Cat6 connectors
>>
>> > Regular crimpers worked for us on these heads.
>> >
>> > On 6/12/2017 2:13 PM, Jay Weekley wrote:
>> >> We bought some ARC wireless Cat 6 connectors to go onto Shireen
>> Cat 6
>> >> cable but they were a major pain to use. The wires had to be forced
>> >> in instead of sliding in with minimal effort.  My idea now is
>> to buy
>> >> Shireen Cat 6 connectors which hopefully will work better. Does
>> anyone
>> >> know if these connectors require a special crimper or can we
>> use what
>> >> we already have?
>> >>
>> >>
>>
>> https://www.streakwave.com/itemdesc.asp?ic=CON-RJ45-C6-100===0
>>
>> 
>> >>
>> >> Jay Weekley wrote:
>> >>> Cat 5 should be sufficient but one radio shares a tower with 2 FM
>> >>> stations so we're having to do everything we can to mitigate
>> >>> interference.  The other problem is a mystery since it's on a
>> >>> decommission water tank with no other radios than ours.
>> >>>
>> >>> David Coudron wrote:
>>  We are just starting to install a number of towers where we are
>>  using Mimosa equipment and have run Cat6a for those where the
>>  cabinets won't be on top of the tower.  For the ones that are
>> on top
>>  of the tower we ordered pre-terminated cables.  Just too much
>> hassle
>>  for the cost. For those where we had to run cable to the top we
>>  ordered new quiktex ends since they use the regular old
>> crimpers. We
>>  couldn't find any ends to work with our Ez rj45 crimper. We
>> will be
>>  terminating those cables the next few days.
>> 
>>  We do have Mimosa equipment installed with Cat5e cable and it
>> works
>>  fine now.  We initially had issues with the Ethernet ports
>> dropping
>>  and replaced POEs and were considering recabling. However
>> fixing the
>>  RF link interference issues and 

[AFMUG] Another Ransomware Cyberattack today

[Rory Conaway]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/thomasbrewster/2017/06/27/ransomware-spreads-rapidly-hitting-power-companies-banks-airlines-metro/#4bbb58a97abd

Rory Conaway * Triad Wireless * CEO
4226 S. 37th Street * Phoenix * AZ 85040
602-426-0542
r...@triadwireless.net
www.triadwireless.net

"I think I throw the ball as hard as anyone. The ball just doesn't get there as 
fast." - Eddie Bane

Re: [AFMUG] So Silicon Valley WISP startup gets $7M investment?

[Rory Conaway]

And a well designed 60GHz system would have the same result.  If you are 
counting rain, the IgniteNets also have 5GHz backups.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 8:39 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] So Silicon Valley WISP startup gets $7M investment?

1. What is acceptable downtime on pure 60GHz.  It is possible to engineering it 
to practically no downtime although less economical.

Zero.  If it goes down the phone will ring.  With a well designed and installed 
Canopy system there was no downtime.

2. What is the acceptable backup bandwidth?  If there is at least SOME internet 
available during 4-5" rains, is that acceptable?
If you are talking about something built in, then the acceptable backup is 
whatever fools the customer into thinking that Netflix is not impacted.

Re: [AFMUG] So Silicon Valley WISP startup gets $7M investment?

[Mike Hammett]

Firmware upgrades... 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Harold Bledsoe"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 10:54:44 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] So Silicon Valley WISP startup gets $7M investment? 



I'd say zero is not possible with any network. Lightning strikes, fiber gets 
cut, core routers die, etc. Murphy is very resourceful.  


On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 11:38 AM Chuck McCown < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote: 







1. What is acceptable downtime on pure 60GHz. It is possible to engineering it 
to practically no downtime although less economical. 







Zero. If it goes down the phone will ring. With a well designed and installed 
Canopy system there was no downtime. 






2. What is the acceptable backup bandwidth? If there is at least SOME internet 
available during 4-5" rains, is that acceptable? 





If you are talking about something built in, then the acceptable backup is 
whatever fools the customer into thinking that Netflix is not impacted. 






-- 


Harold Bledsoe 

Re: [AFMUG] So Silicon Valley WISP startup gets $7M investment?

[Mike Hammett]

" 

Zero. If it goes down the phone will ring. With a well designed and installed 
Canopy system there was no downtime. " 

That's unreasonable for any platform anywhere. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Chuck McCown"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 10:38:32 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] So Silicon Valley WISP startup gets $7M investment? 





1. What is acceptable downtime on pure 60GHz. It is possible to engineering it 
to practically no downtime although less economical. 




Zero. If it goes down the phone will ring. With a well designed and installed 
Canopy system there was no downtime. 



2. What is the acceptable backup bandwidth? If there is at least SOME internet 
available during 4-5" rains, is that acceptable? 


If you are talking about something built in, then the acceptable backup is 
whatever fools the customer into thinking that Netflix is not impacted. 

Re: [AFMUG] So Silicon Valley WISP startup gets $7M investment?

[Harold Bledsoe]

I'd say zero is not possible with any network. Lightning strikes, fiber
gets cut, core routers die, etc. Murphy is very resourceful. 

On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 11:38 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:

> 1. What is acceptable downtime on pure 60GHz.  It is possible to
> engineering it to practically no downtime although less economical.
>
>
> Zero.  If it goes down the phone will ring.  With a well designed and
> installed Canopy system there was no downtime.
>
>
> 2. What is the acceptable backup bandwidth?  If there is at least SOME
> internet available during 4-5" rains, is that acceptable?
>
> If you are talking about something built in, then the acceptable backup is
> whatever fools the customer into thinking that Netflix is not impacted.
>
>
>
-- 

Harold Bledsoe

Re: [AFMUG] So Silicon Valley WISP startup gets $7M investment?

[Chuck McCown]

1. What is acceptable downtime on pure 60GHz.  It is possible to engineering it 
to practically no downtime although less economical.
  Zero.  If it goes down the phone will ring.  With a well designed and 
installed Canopy system there was no downtime.  

2. What is the acceptable backup bandwidth?  If there is at least SOME internet 
available during 4-5" rains, is that acceptable?
  If you are talking about something built in, then the acceptable backup is 
whatever fools the customer into thinking that Netflix is not impacted.  

Re: [AFMUG] So Silicon Valley WISP startup gets $7M investment?

[Harold Bledsoe]

There's no right or wrong in this equation.  What is the downtime that is
acceptable for your customers?  ATT offers 99.9% uptime for their
residential customers.

1. What is acceptable downtime on pure 60GHz.  It is possible to
engineering it to practically no downtime although less economical.

2. What is the acceptable backup bandwidth?  If there is at least SOME
internet available during 4-5" rains, is that acceptable?

3. Rain attenuation is even more nuanced.  It needs to be along the path so
the full path may not have the hardest rain.

4. Some of that torrential downpour will happen when not many users are not
online - in the middle of the night, etc.

24GHz and even E-band are more likely to get you into trouble.  They will
link up at much further distances but have similar uptime due to rain.  :-)

-Hal

On Mon, Jun 26, 2017 at 12:06 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:

> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias
>
> *From:* Mike Hammett
> *Sent:* Monday, June 26, 2017 9:47 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] So Silicon Valley WISP startup gets $7M investment?
>
> I did use my own money. Works great.  :-)  Well, on a shorter path. Again,
> only math being the difference.
>
> 60 GHz gear is far from new. The only new thing is the price point,
> multipoint and performance.
>
> I did say full modulation rate. There's another 10 or so dB (so another
> 2"/hour) before the link drops.
>
> The problem with the NOAA site is indeed only down to a five minute
> average. What site is closest to you? What does it report?
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Chuck McCown" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Monday, June 26, 2017 10:39:43 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] So Silicon Valley WISP startup gets $7M investment?
>
> Simply math, lots of wrecked spacecraft on the surface of Mars due to
> simply math.  Simply math does not model everything in this case.  If it
> was simply math Vivint would be eating everyone’s lunch by now.
>
> This year we received 4” of rain per hour for several times.  Not long
> duration but long enough to piss off customers that would have gone down.
> How about snow and snow accumulation on antennas etc?
>
> Let the early adopters prove or disprove it.  Not me.  You use your own
> money first.
>
> *From:* Mike Hammett
> *Sent:* Monday, June 26, 2017 9:25 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] So Silicon Valley WISP startup gets $7M investment?
>
> You don't have to wonder. It's simply math.
>
> The big 2.5G IgniteNet has an about -40 signal at 1 km in open space. Full
> modulation breaks at -60 dB, so you have 20 dB of fade margin. Rain at 60
> GHz is about 5 dB/km of attenuation, so you can handle a sustained 4" per
> hour rain without breaking full modulation on a 1 km link. Measured at the
> Salt Lake City Zoo, measured on a five minute interval, you should expect
> to receive 4" per hour every 10 - 25 years. Use the NOAA link on that FB
> post to see how often you get how much rain at whatever location is more
> appropriate for you. For Aurora, IL, rain hits 4.76" per hour when measured
> on a 5 minute interval every year, so a much less reliable link for me than
> you, all else equal.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Chuck McCown" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Monday, June 26, 2017 10:12:19 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] So Silicon Valley WISP startup gets $7M investment?
>
> Any drop is going to cause a headache.  If it drops more than say... dish
> network or direct tv due to thunderstorms etc it is not going to work for
> my customers.
>
> Time will tell.  I will not be an early adopter.
>
> *From:* Mike Hammett
> *Sent:* Monday, June 26, 

Re: [AFMUG] Shielded Cat6 connectors

[David Coudron]

We are struggling with the same issue.   We can do the push through Cat 5e 
connectors pretty quickly and with virtually no errors, even without the 
glasses.   However the Cat 6/6a connectors without the push through feature and 
with the loading bar were a nightmare.   Lots of cussing, lots of retries, lots 
of new ends needed and definitely needed the glasses/cheaters.   Once we found 
that Platinum had the push through on the non-shielded Cat 6/6a and was going 
to be hitting the street with the shielded soon, we made the decision to use 
non-shielded for now, and re-terminate when the shielded are ready.   Overall, 
we will spend significantly less time with that approach.  

Thanks,

David Coudron
david.coud...@advantenon.com  |  Mobile: 612-991-7474
 
Advantenon, Inc.       
i...@advantenon.com  |  3500 Vicksburg Lane N, Suite 315, Plymouth, MN 55447  | 
 www.advantenon.com  |  Phone: 800-704-4720  |  Local: 612-454-1545 



-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 9:40 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Shielded Cat6 connectors

My problem is I cannot see that well anymore.  I have to use a magnifying glass 
every time I terminate a cable.

-Original Message-
From: David Coudron
Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 8:24 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Shielded Cat6 connectors

Yes, these Platinum connectors are those.   We had used the Platinum Cat5e 
connectors and really like the push through feature.   The part number 
listed below is a Cat 6/6a design that also allows for this, but a different 
crimper is required.  That is the other part number.   We are pretty hopeful 
these work better than the loading bar and non push through design.

Thanks,

David Coudron
david.coud...@advantenon.com  |  Mobile: 612-991-7474

Advantenon, Inc.
i...@advantenon.com  |  3500 Vicksburg Lane N, Suite 315, Plymouth, MN 55447 
|  www.advantenon.com  |  Phone: 800-704-4720  |  Local: 612-454-1545



-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 9:22 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Shielded Cat6 connectors

Does anyone make CAT6 plugs where the wire goes clear through.  Cannot remember 
what that is called.

-Original Message-
From: David Coudron
Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 7:31 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Shielded Cat6 connectors

Funny, but this is the exact path we are following as well.   We tried the
Quiktrex connectors and they were  a disaster.   The loading bar is far too
messy to deal with in any where but a controlled environment.   Trying to
crimp at the top of a grainleg or tower, or even at the bottom in low lighting 
or tight spaces is very time consuming and fraught with errors.

We spoke with Platinum and have just ordered the following two parts:
100061C - New crimper with new die
202048J - New Cat6 ends that will accommodate Cat6a as I understand it.
These are not shielded ends, but from talking with Platinum, the same end will 
be available in shielded in a few weeks.

Thanks,

David Coudron
david.coud...@advantenon.com  |  Mobile: 612-991-7474

Advantenon, Inc.
i...@advantenon.com  |  3500 Vicksburg Lane N, Suite 315, Plymouth, MN 55447
|  www.advantenon.com  |  Phone: 800-704-4720  |  Local: 612-454-1545



-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jay Weekley
Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 7:49 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Shielded Cat6 connectors

Lol.  I had exactly the same discovery, opinion of the results and conversation 
with Shireen.  I'll look into the Platinum Tools.

Christopher Gray wrote:
> This is not a direct answer, but Platinum Tools is expected to release 
> a new version of their shielded EZ-RJ to fit their new EXO dies. I'm 
> expecting this is the way I'll be heading for Cat6 connections.
>
> The Shireen connectors you suggested will crimp with standard 
> crimpers, BUT, the shield will be crushed where a normal crimper would 
> set the strain relief (Shireen tells me this is fine, but it doesn't 
> look great).
>
>
>
> :)
>
> They are easy to get hold of in New Jersey.
>
> Regards.
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518  Option 2 or
> Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> - Original Message -
> > From: "Jerry Head"  >
> > To: af@afmug.com 
> > Sent: Monday, June 12, 2017 3:25:53 PM
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Shielded Cat6 connectors
>
> > Regular crimpers worked for us on these heads.
> >
> > On 6/12/2017 2:13 PM, Jay Weekley wrote:
> >> We bought some ARC wireless Cat 6 connectors to go onto 

Re: [AFMUG] Shielded Cat6 connectors

[Chuck McCown]

My problem is I cannot see that well anymore.  I have to use a magnifying 
glass every time I terminate a cable.


-Original Message- 
From: David Coudron

Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 8:24 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Shielded Cat6 connectors

Yes, these Platinum connectors are those.   We had used the Platinum Cat5e 
connectors and really like the push through feature.   The part number 
listed below is a Cat 6/6a design that also allows for this, but a different 
crimper is required.  That is the other part number.   We are pretty hopeful 
these work better than the loading bar and non push through design.


Thanks,

David Coudron
david.coud...@advantenon.com  |  Mobile: 612-991-7474

Advantenon, Inc.
i...@advantenon.com  |  3500 Vicksburg Lane N, Suite 315, Plymouth, MN 55447 
|  www.advantenon.com  |  Phone: 800-704-4720  |  Local: 612-454-1545




-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 9:22 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Shielded Cat6 connectors

Does anyone make CAT6 plugs where the wire goes clear through.  Cannot 
remember what that is called.


-Original Message-
From: David Coudron
Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 7:31 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Shielded Cat6 connectors

Funny, but this is the exact path we are following as well.   We tried the
Quiktrex connectors and they were  a disaster.   The loading bar is far too
messy to deal with in any where but a controlled environment.   Trying to
crimp at the top of a grainleg or tower, or even at the bottom in low 
lighting or tight spaces is very time consuming and fraught with errors.


We spoke with Platinum and have just ordered the following two parts:
100061C - New crimper with new die
202048J - New Cat6 ends that will accommodate Cat6a as I understand it.
These are not shielded ends, but from talking with Platinum, the same end 
will be available in shielded in a few weeks.


Thanks,

David Coudron
david.coud...@advantenon.com  |  Mobile: 612-991-7474

Advantenon, Inc.
i...@advantenon.com  |  3500 Vicksburg Lane N, Suite 315, Plymouth, MN 55447
|  www.advantenon.com  |  Phone: 800-704-4720  |  Local: 612-454-1545



-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jay Weekley
Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 7:49 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Shielded Cat6 connectors

Lol.  I had exactly the same discovery, opinion of the results and 
conversation with Shireen.  I'll look into the Platinum Tools.


Christopher Gray wrote:

This is not a direct answer, but Platinum Tools is expected to release
a new version of their shielded EZ-RJ to fit their new EXO dies. I'm
expecting this is the way I'll be heading for Cat6 connections.

The Shireen connectors you suggested will crimp with standard
crimpers, BUT, the shield will be crushed where a normal crimper would
set the strain relief (Shireen tells me this is fine, but it doesn't
look great).



:)

They are easy to get hold of in New Jersey.

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518  Option 2 or
Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

- Original Message -
> From: "Jerry Head" >
> To: af@afmug.com 
> Sent: Monday, June 12, 2017 3:25:53 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Shielded Cat6 connectors

> Regular crimpers worked for us on these heads.
>
> On 6/12/2017 2:13 PM, Jay Weekley wrote:
>> We bought some ARC wireless Cat 6 connectors to go onto Shireen
Cat 6
>> cable but they were a major pain to use. The wires had to be forced
>> in instead of sliding in with minimal effort.  My idea now is
to buy
>> Shireen Cat 6 connectors which hopefully will work better. Does
anyone
>> know if these connectors require a special crimper or can we
use what
>> we already have?
>>
>>

https://www.streakwave.com/itemdesc.asp?ic=CON-RJ45-C6-100===
0


>>
>> Jay Weekley wrote:
>>> Cat 5 should be sufficient but one radio shares a tower with 2 FM
>>> stations so we're having to do everything we can to mitigate
>>> interference.  The other problem is a mystery since it's on a
>>> decommission water tank with no other radios than ours.
>>>
>>> David Coudron wrote:
 We are just starting to install a number of towers where we are
 using Mimosa equipment and have run Cat6a for those where the
 cabinets won't be on top of the tower.  For the ones that are
on top
 of the tower we ordered pre-terminated cables.  Just too much
hassle
 for the cost. For those where we had to run 

Re: [AFMUG] Shielded Cat6 connectors

[David Coudron]

Yes, these Platinum connectors are those.   We had used the Platinum Cat5e 
connectors and really like the push through feature.   The part number listed 
below is a Cat 6/6a design that also allows for this, but a different crimper 
is required.  That is the other part number.   We are pretty hopeful these work 
better than the loading bar and non push through design.

Thanks,

David Coudron
david.coud...@advantenon.com  |  Mobile: 612-991-7474
 
Advantenon, Inc.       
i...@advantenon.com  |  3500 Vicksburg Lane N, Suite 315, Plymouth, MN 55447  | 
 www.advantenon.com  |  Phone: 800-704-4720  |  Local: 612-454-1545 



-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 9:22 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Shielded Cat6 connectors

Does anyone make CAT6 plugs where the wire goes clear through.  Cannot remember 
what that is called.

-Original Message-
From: David Coudron
Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 7:31 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Shielded Cat6 connectors

Funny, but this is the exact path we are following as well.   We tried the 
Quiktrex connectors and they were  a disaster.   The loading bar is far too 
messy to deal with in any where but a controlled environment.   Trying to 
crimp at the top of a grainleg or tower, or even at the bottom in low lighting 
or tight spaces is very time consuming and fraught with errors.

We spoke with Platinum and have just ordered the following two parts:
100061C - New crimper with new die
202048J - New Cat6 ends that will accommodate Cat6a as I understand it. 
These are not shielded ends, but from talking with Platinum, the same end will 
be available in shielded in a few weeks.

Thanks,

David Coudron
david.coud...@advantenon.com  |  Mobile: 612-991-7474

Advantenon, Inc.
i...@advantenon.com  |  3500 Vicksburg Lane N, Suite 315, Plymouth, MN 55447 
|  www.advantenon.com  |  Phone: 800-704-4720  |  Local: 612-454-1545



-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jay Weekley
Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 7:49 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Shielded Cat6 connectors

Lol.  I had exactly the same discovery, opinion of the results and conversation 
with Shireen.  I'll look into the Platinum Tools.

Christopher Gray wrote:
> This is not a direct answer, but Platinum Tools is expected to release 
> a new version of their shielded EZ-RJ to fit their new EXO dies. I'm 
> expecting this is the way I'll be heading for Cat6 connections.
>
> The Shireen connectors you suggested will crimp with standard 
> crimpers, BUT, the shield will be crushed where a normal crimper would 
> set the strain relief (Shireen tells me this is fine, but it doesn't 
> look great).
>
>
>
> :)
>
> They are easy to get hold of in New Jersey.
>
> Regards.
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518  Option 2 or
> Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> - Original Message -
> > From: "Jerry Head"  >
> > To: af@afmug.com 
> > Sent: Monday, June 12, 2017 3:25:53 PM
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Shielded Cat6 connectors
>
> > Regular crimpers worked for us on these heads.
> >
> > On 6/12/2017 2:13 PM, Jay Weekley wrote:
> >> We bought some ARC wireless Cat 6 connectors to go onto Shireen
> Cat 6
> >> cable but they were a major pain to use. The wires had to be forced
> >> in instead of sliding in with minimal effort.  My idea now is
> to buy
> >> Shireen Cat 6 connectors which hopefully will work better. Does
> anyone
> >> know if these connectors require a special crimper or can we
> use what
> >> we already have?
> >>
> >>
> 
> https://www.streakwave.com/itemdesc.asp?ic=CON-RJ45-C6-100===
> 0
> 
> 
> >>
> >> Jay Weekley wrote:
> >>> Cat 5 should be sufficient but one radio shares a tower with 2 FM
> >>> stations so we're having to do everything we can to mitigate
> >>> interference.  The other problem is a mystery since it's on a
> >>> decommission water tank with no other radios than ours.
> >>>
> >>> David Coudron wrote:
>  We are just starting to install a number of towers where we are
>  using Mimosa equipment and have run Cat6a for those where the
>  cabinets won't be on top of the tower.  For the ones that are
> on top
>  of the tower we ordered pre-terminated cables.  Just too much
> hassle
>  for the cost. For those where we had to run cable to the top we
>  ordered new quiktex ends since they use the regular old
> crimpers. We
>  

Re: [AFMUG] Shielded Cat6 connectors

[Chuck McCown]

Does anyone make CAT6 plugs where the wire goes clear through.  Cannot 
remember what that is called.


-Original Message- 
From: David Coudron

Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 7:31 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Shielded Cat6 connectors

Funny, but this is the exact path we are following as well.   We tried the 
Quiktrex connectors and they were  a disaster.   The loading bar is far too 
messy to deal with in any where but a controlled environment.   Trying to 
crimp at the top of a grainleg or tower, or even at the bottom in low 
lighting or tight spaces is very time consuming and fraught with errors.


We spoke with Platinum and have just ordered the following two parts:
100061C - New crimper with new die
202048J - New Cat6 ends that will accommodate Cat6a as I understand it. 
These are not shielded ends, but from talking with Platinum, the same end 
will be available in shielded in a few weeks.


Thanks,

David Coudron
david.coud...@advantenon.com  |  Mobile: 612-991-7474

Advantenon, Inc.
i...@advantenon.com  |  3500 Vicksburg Lane N, Suite 315, Plymouth, MN 55447 
|  www.advantenon.com  |  Phone: 800-704-4720  |  Local: 612-454-1545




-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jay Weekley
Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 7:49 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Shielded Cat6 connectors

Lol.  I had exactly the same discovery, opinion of the results and 
conversation with Shireen.  I'll look into the Platinum Tools.


Christopher Gray wrote:

This is not a direct answer, but Platinum Tools is expected to release
a new version of their shielded EZ-RJ to fit their new EXO dies. I'm
expecting this is the way I'll be heading for Cat6 connections.

The Shireen connectors you suggested will crimp with standard
crimpers, BUT, the shield will be crushed where a normal crimper would
set the strain relief (Shireen tells me this is fine, but it doesn't
look great).



:)

They are easy to get hold of in New Jersey.

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518  Option 2 or
Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

- Original Message -
> From: "Jerry Head" >
> To: af@afmug.com 
> Sent: Monday, June 12, 2017 3:25:53 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Shielded Cat6 connectors

> Regular crimpers worked for us on these heads.
>
> On 6/12/2017 2:13 PM, Jay Weekley wrote:
>> We bought some ARC wireless Cat 6 connectors to go onto Shireen
Cat 6
>> cable but they were a major pain to use. The wires had to be forced
>> in instead of sliding in with minimal effort.  My idea now is
to buy
>> Shireen Cat 6 connectors which hopefully will work better. Does
anyone
>> know if these connectors require a special crimper or can we
use what
>> we already have?
>>
>>

https://www.streakwave.com/itemdesc.asp?ic=CON-RJ45-C6-100===0


>>
>> Jay Weekley wrote:
>>> Cat 5 should be sufficient but one radio shares a tower with 2 FM
>>> stations so we're having to do everything we can to mitigate
>>> interference.  The other problem is a mystery since it's on a
>>> decommission water tank with no other radios than ours.
>>>
>>> David Coudron wrote:
 We are just starting to install a number of towers where we are
 using Mimosa equipment and have run Cat6a for those where the
 cabinets won't be on top of the tower.  For the ones that are
on top
 of the tower we ordered pre-terminated cables.  Just too much
hassle
 for the cost. For those where we had to run cable to the top we
 ordered new quiktex ends since they use the regular old
crimpers. We
 couldn't find any ends to work with our Ez rj45 crimper. We
will be
 terminating those cables the next few days.

 We do have Mimosa equipment installed with Cat5e cable and it
works
 fine now.  We initially had issues with the Ethernet ports
dropping
 and replaced POEs and were considering recabling. However
fixing the
 RF link interference issues and some firmware upgrades have
really
 stabilized those Ethernet ports now.  We haven't had an Ethernet
 port go down in 10 months since we did that work. (I am currently
 knocking on wood. )

 Get Outlook for iOS 



 *From:* Af > on behalf of Christopher Gray
 

Re: [AFMUG] Shielded Cat6 connectors

[David Coudron]

Funny, but this is the exact path we are following as well.   We tried the 
Quiktrex connectors and they were  a disaster.   The loading bar is far too 
messy to deal with in any where but a controlled environment.   Trying to crimp 
at the top of a grainleg or tower, or even at the bottom in low lighting or 
tight spaces is very time consuming and fraught with errors.  

We spoke with Platinum and have just ordered the following two parts:
100061C - New crimper with new die
202048J - New Cat6 ends that will accommodate Cat6a as I understand it.   These 
are not shielded ends, but from talking with Platinum, the same end will be 
available in shielded in a few weeks.

Thanks,

David Coudron
david.coud...@advantenon.com  |  Mobile: 612-991-7474
 
Advantenon, Inc.       
i...@advantenon.com  |  3500 Vicksburg Lane N, Suite 315, Plymouth, MN 55447  | 
 www.advantenon.com  |  Phone: 800-704-4720  |  Local: 612-454-1545 



-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jay Weekley
Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 7:49 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Shielded Cat6 connectors

Lol.  I had exactly the same discovery, opinion of the results and conversation 
with Shireen.  I'll look into the Platinum Tools.

Christopher Gray wrote:
> This is not a direct answer, but Platinum Tools is expected to release 
> a new version of their shielded EZ-RJ to fit their new EXO dies. I'm 
> expecting this is the way I'll be heading for Cat6 connections.
>
> The Shireen connectors you suggested will crimp with standard 
> crimpers, BUT, the shield will be crushed where a normal crimper would 
> set the strain relief (Shireen tells me this is fine, but it doesn't 
> look great).
>
>
>
> :)
>
> They are easy to get hold of in New Jersey.
>
> Regards.
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518  Option 2 or
> Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> - Original Message -
> > From: "Jerry Head"  >
> > To: af@afmug.com 
> > Sent: Monday, June 12, 2017 3:25:53 PM
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Shielded Cat6 connectors
>
> > Regular crimpers worked for us on these heads.
> >
> > On 6/12/2017 2:13 PM, Jay Weekley wrote:
> >> We bought some ARC wireless Cat 6 connectors to go onto Shireen
> Cat 6
> >> cable but they were a major pain to use. The wires had to be forced
> >> in instead of sliding in with minimal effort.  My idea now is
> to buy
> >> Shireen Cat 6 connectors which hopefully will work better. Does
> anyone
> >> know if these connectors require a special crimper or can we
> use what
> >> we already have?
> >>
> >>
> https://www.streakwave.com/itemdesc.asp?ic=CON-RJ45-C6-100===0
> 
> >>
> >> Jay Weekley wrote:
> >>> Cat 5 should be sufficient but one radio shares a tower with 2 FM
> >>> stations so we're having to do everything we can to mitigate
> >>> interference.  The other problem is a mystery since it's on a
> >>> decommission water tank with no other radios than ours.
> >>>
> >>> David Coudron wrote:
>  We are just starting to install a number of towers where we are
>  using Mimosa equipment and have run Cat6a for those where the
>  cabinets won't be on top of the tower.  For the ones that are
> on top
>  of the tower we ordered pre-terminated cables.  Just too much
> hassle
>  for the cost. For those where we had to run cable to the top we
>  ordered new quiktex ends since they use the regular old
> crimpers. We
>  couldn't find any ends to work with our Ez rj45 crimper. We
> will be
>  terminating those cables the next few days.
> 
>  We do have Mimosa equipment installed with Cat5e cable and it
> works
>  fine now.  We initially had issues with the Ethernet ports
> dropping
>  and replaced POEs and were considering recabling. However
> fixing the
>  RF link interference issues and some firmware upgrades have
> really
>  stabilized those Ethernet ports now.  We haven't had an Ethernet
>  port go down in 10 months since we did that work. (I am currently
>  knocking on wood. )
> 
>  Get Outlook for iOS 
> 
> 
> 
>  *From:* Af  > on behalf of Christopher Gray
>  >
>  *Sent:* Thursday, June 8, 

Re: [AFMUG] Shielded Cat6 connectors

[Jay Weekley]

Lol.  I had exactly the same discovery, opinion of the results and 
conversation with Shireen.  I'll look into the Platinum Tools.


Christopher Gray wrote:
This is not a direct answer, but Platinum Tools is expected to release 
a new version of their shielded EZ-RJ to fit their new EXO dies. I'm 
expecting this is the way I'll be heading for Cat6 connections.


The Shireen connectors you suggested will crimp with standard 
crimpers, BUT, the shield will be crushed where a normal crimper would 
set the strain relief (Shireen tells me this is fine, but it doesn't 
look great).




:)

They are easy to get hold of in New Jersey.

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518  Option 2 or
Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

- Original Message -
> From: "Jerry Head" >
> To: af@afmug.com 
> Sent: Monday, June 12, 2017 3:25:53 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Shielded Cat6 connectors

> Regular crimpers worked for us on these heads.
>
> On 6/12/2017 2:13 PM, Jay Weekley wrote:
>> We bought some ARC wireless Cat 6 connectors to go onto Shireen
Cat 6
>> cable but they were a major pain to use. The wires had to be forced
>> in instead of sliding in with minimal effort.  My idea now is
to buy
>> Shireen Cat 6 connectors which hopefully will work better. Does
anyone
>> know if these connectors require a special crimper or can we
use what
>> we already have?
>>
>>
https://www.streakwave.com/itemdesc.asp?ic=CON-RJ45-C6-100===0

>>
>> Jay Weekley wrote:
>>> Cat 5 should be sufficient but one radio shares a tower with 2 FM
>>> stations so we're having to do everything we can to mitigate
>>> interference.  The other problem is a mystery since it's on a
>>> decommission water tank with no other radios than ours.
>>>
>>> David Coudron wrote:
 We are just starting to install a number of towers where we are
 using Mimosa equipment and have run Cat6a for those where the
 cabinets won't be on top of the tower.  For the ones that are
on top
 of the tower we ordered pre-terminated cables.  Just too much
hassle
 for the cost. For those where we had to run cable to the top we
 ordered new quiktex ends since they use the regular old
crimpers. We
 couldn't find any ends to work with our Ez rj45 crimper. We
will be
 terminating those cables the next few days.

 We do have Mimosa equipment installed with Cat5e cable and it
works
 fine now.  We initially had issues with the Ethernet ports
dropping
 and replaced POEs and were considering recabling. However
fixing the
 RF link interference issues and some firmware upgrades have
really
 stabilized those Ethernet ports now.  We haven't had an Ethernet
 port go down in 10 months since we did that work. (I am currently
 knocking on wood. )

 Get Outlook for iOS 



 *From:* Af > on behalf of Christopher Gray
 >
 *Sent:* Thursday, June 8, 2017 7:20:38 AM
 *To:* af@afmug.com 
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Shielded Cat6 recommendation
 I bought some Shireen Cat6 to try. The OD of the insulation
on the
 Shireen Cat6 (and other Cat6 cables I've found so far) make it
 unusable with the EZ-RJ45 plugs. So, I ended up purchasing new
 plugs, and should have purchased a new crimper.

 I later asked here about using Cat6 with Mimosa and got a fairly
 resounding "Cat5e is enough" at the time. In the end, it
seemed like
 a giant pain for any spot other than having great interference.



 On Wed, Jun 7, 2017 at 10:24 AM, Jay Weekley
 
>> wrote:

 We recently received a recommendation from Mimosa to
replace our
 shielded Cat 5 with Cat6. We've been using Shireen lately and
 they have a Cat 6 product. What would you use?  Has
anyone had
 problems with using Cat 5 with Mimosa?

Re: [AFMUG] Shielded Cat6 connectors

[Christopher Gray]

This is not a direct answer, but Platinum Tools is expected to release a
new version of their shielded EZ-RJ to fit their new EXO dies. I'm
expecting this is the way I'll be heading for Cat6 connections.

The Shireen connectors you suggested will crimp with standard crimpers,
BUT, the shield will be crushed where a normal crimper would set the strain
relief (Shireen tells me this is fine, but it doesn't look great).


>
> :)
>
> They are easy to get hold of in New Jersey.
>
> Regards.
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> - Original Message -
> > From: "Jerry Head" 
> > To: af@afmug.com
> > Sent: Monday, June 12, 2017 3:25:53 PM
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Shielded Cat6 connectors
>
> > Regular crimpers worked for us on these heads.
> >
> > On 6/12/2017 2:13 PM, Jay Weekley wrote:
> >> We bought some ARC wireless Cat 6 connectors to go onto Shireen Cat 6
> >> cable but they were a major pain to use.  The wires had to be forced
> >> in instead of sliding in with minimal effort.  My idea now is to buy
> >> Shireen Cat 6 connectors which hopefully will work better. Does anyone
> >> know if these connectors require a special crimper or can we use what
> >> we already have?
> >>
> >> https://www.streakwave.com/itemdesc.asp?ic=CON-RJ45-C6-100===0
> >>
> >> Jay Weekley wrote:
> >>> Cat 5 should be sufficient but one radio shares a tower with 2 FM
> >>> stations so we're having to do everything we can to mitigate
> >>> interference.  The other problem is a mystery since it's on a
> >>> decommission water tank with no other radios than ours.
> >>>
> >>> David Coudron wrote:
>  We are just starting to install a number of towers where we are
>  using Mimosa equipment and have run Cat6a for those where the
>  cabinets won't be on top of the tower.  For the ones that are on top
>  of the tower we ordered pre-terminated cables.  Just too much hassle
>  for the cost. For those where we had to run cable to the top we
>  ordered new quiktex ends since they use the regular old crimpers. We
>  couldn't find any ends to work with our Ez rj45 crimper. We will be
>  terminating those cables the next few days.
> 
>  We do have Mimosa equipment installed with Cat5e cable and it works
>  fine now.  We initially had issues with the Ethernet ports dropping
>  and replaced POEs and were considering recabling. However fixing the
>  RF link interference issues and some firmware upgrades have really
>  stabilized those Ethernet ports now.  We haven't had an Ethernet
>  port go down in 10 months since we did that work. (I am currently
>  knocking on wood. )
> 
>  Get Outlook for iOS 
>  
> 
> 
>  *From:* Af  on behalf of Christopher Gray
>  
>  *Sent:* Thursday, June 8, 2017 7:20:38 AM
>  *To:* af@afmug.com
>  *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Shielded Cat6 recommendation
>  I bought some Shireen Cat6 to try. The OD of the insulation on the
>  Shireen Cat6 (and other Cat6 cables I've found so far) make it
>  unusable with the EZ-RJ45 plugs. So, I ended up purchasing new
>  plugs, and should have purchased a new crimper.
> 
>  I later asked here about using Cat6 with Mimosa and got a fairly
>  resounding "Cat5e is enough" at the time. In the end, it seemed like
>  a giant pain for any spot other than having great interference.
> 
> 
> 
>  On Wed, Jun 7, 2017 at 10:24 AM, Jay Weekley
>  > wrote:
> 
>  We recently received a recommendation from Mimosa to replace our
>  shielded Cat 5 with Cat6.  We've been using Shireen lately and
>  they have a Cat 6 product. What would you use?  Has anyone had
>  problems with using Cat 5 with Mimosa?
> 
> 
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