Re: [AFMUG] OT...For all you smart people here.

[Jaime Solorza]

Across the river from me, a WISP is using ubiquiti and Mikrotik in the  2.5
to 2.7GHz bands..while Cablemas a cable and wireless company actually has
the licenses...I have an old Power bridge that can see the SSIDs somewhere
in Batcave

On Sep 12, 2017 8:20 PM, "Mathew Howard"  wrote:

> Yup, 2.5ghz would be licensed... I suspect you need better detective
> skills - 2.5ghz gear is generally too costly for the sort of people that
> would run without a license. Or they're actually using 2.4ghz and calling
> it 2.5ghz.
>
>
> On Sep 12, 2017 9:02 PM, "Jerry Head"  wrote:
>
> I did contact them via chat on their Website.  The rep told me they were
> using 2.5 Ghz gear.
> 2.5 is licensed right?
> I did a cursory search on the FCC website for 2.5 licensed in our area and
> found none.
> Are they running "outlaw"?
> Or do I need better detective skills?
>
>
>
> On 9/12/2017 6:56 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:
>
> If the majority of their coverage area is serviced by millimeter wireless,
> I'm guessing they don't have a very large coverage area...
>
> On Tue, Sep 12, 2017 at 4:39 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller <
> par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> it was...
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> *From:* Dave 
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 12, 2017 4:26 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT...For all you smart people here.
>>
>> It said it was sent from your Smartphone
>>
>>
>> On 09/12/2017 03:36 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:
>>
>>
>> Know of it...haven't read much of it
>>
>> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone
>>
>> - Reply message -
>> From: "CBB - Jay Fuller" 
>> 
>> To:  
>> Subject: [AFMUG]OT...For all you smart people here.
>> Date: Tue, Sep 12, 2017 3:34 PM
>>
>>
>> Silklu I believe
>>
>> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone
>>
>> - Reply message -
>> From: "Jerry Head" 
>> 
>> To:  
>> Subject: [AFMUG] OT...For all you smart people here.
>> Date: Tue, Sep 12, 2017 2:26 PM
>>
>> New WISP has apparently popped up in our are, I was reviewing their
>> Webpage and saw this...
>>
>> "The majority of our coverage area is serviced by Multimeter Wireless"
>>
>> Not sure what that even means.
>> Typo I guess.
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT...For all you smart people here.

[Mathew Howard]

Yup, 2.5ghz would be licensed... I suspect you need better detective skills
- 2.5ghz gear is generally too costly for the sort of people that would run
without a license. Or they're actually using 2.4ghz and calling it 2.5ghz.


On Sep 12, 2017 9:02 PM, "Jerry Head"  wrote:

I did contact them via chat on their Website.  The rep told me they were
using 2.5 Ghz gear.
2.5 is licensed right?
I did a cursory search on the FCC website for 2.5 licensed in our area and
found none.
Are they running "outlaw"?
Or do I need better detective skills?



On 9/12/2017 6:56 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:

If the majority of their coverage area is serviced by millimeter wireless,
I'm guessing they don't have a very large coverage area...

On Tue, Sep 12, 2017 at 4:39 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller  wrote:

>
> it was...
>
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Dave 
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 12, 2017 4:26 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT...For all you smart people here.
>
> It said it was sent from your Smartphone
>
>
> On 09/12/2017 03:36 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:
>
>
> Know of it...haven't read much of it
>
> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone
>
> - Reply message -
> From: "CBB - Jay Fuller" 
> 
> To:  
> Subject: [AFMUG]OT...For all you smart people here.
> Date: Tue, Sep 12, 2017 3:34 PM
>
>
> Silklu I believe
>
> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone
>
> - Reply message -
> From: "Jerry Head"  
> To:  
> Subject: [AFMUG] OT...For all you smart people here.
> Date: Tue, Sep 12, 2017 2:26 PM
>
> New WISP has apparently popped up in our are, I was reviewing their
> Webpage and saw this...
>
> "The majority of our coverage area is serviced by Multimeter Wireless"
>
> Not sure what that even means.
> Typo I guess.
>
>
> --
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT...For all you smart people here.

[Jerry Head]

I did contact them via chat on their Website.  The rep told me they were 
using 2.5 Ghz gear.

2.5 is licensed right?
I did a cursory search on the FCC website for 2.5 licensed in our area 
and found none.

Are they running "outlaw"?
Or do I need better detective skills?


On 9/12/2017 6:56 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:
If the majority of their coverage area is serviced by millimeter 
wireless, I'm guessing they don't have a very large coverage area...


On Tue, Sep 12, 2017 at 4:39 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller 
> wrote:


it was...

- Original Message -
*From:* Dave 
*To:* af@afmug.com 
*Sent:* Tuesday, September 12, 2017 4:26 PM
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT...For all you smart people here.

It said it was sent from your Smartphone


On 09/12/2017 03:36 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:


Know of it...haven't read much of it

Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

- Reply message -
From: "CBB - Jay Fuller" 

To:  
Subject: [AFMUG]OT...For all you smart people here.
Date: Tue, Sep 12, 2017 3:34 PM


Silklu I believe

Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

- Reply message -
From: "Jerry Head" 

To:  
Subject: [AFMUG] OT...For all you smart people here.
Date: Tue, Sep 12, 2017 2:26 PM

New WISP has apparently popped up in our are, I was reviewing
their Webpage and saw this...

"The majority of our coverage area is serviced by Multimeter
Wireless"

Not sure what that even means.
Typo I guess.



-- 

Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 11FX vs. Ceragon

[Chuck McCown]

Always doable.

From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 5:57 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 11FX vs. Ceragon

Yeah, I forgot to mention that. It uses N-connectors and you'd need to custom 
all kinds of stuff  probably.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP








From: "Mathew Howard" 
To: "af" 
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 6:52:08 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 11FX vs. Ceragon


Probably not something you want to do... as Jeff said, AF-11FX is limited to 
56mhz channels, so you're only get ~600Mbps out of it, and you'd most likely 
have to have adapters custom made to be able to use the existing antennas.


On Tue, Sep 12, 2017 at 5:41 PM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists  
wrote:

  56MHz channels only.  Maxes out at about a Gig full duplex with xpic 80MHz 
channels.  Very nice system for the money.

  Jeff Broadwick 
  ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
  312-205-2519 Office
  574-220-7826 Cell
  jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

  On Sep 12, 2017, at 6:34 PM, Sterling Jacobson  wrote:


Thanks to Trey for finding and shipping/selling me the part that Ceragon 
damaged in return shipping!

That made it so I could finally remount my radio.

They must have defaulted the Ceragon radio because none of my 
IP/programming in band works and I didn't add the Ethernet for management cable.
Got to go back now and do all that over again and hopefully access and 
program the radio.

But now I'm wondering if I should just buy a set of Airfiber 11FX equipment 
and replace the Ceragon entirely.

Does Airfiber 11FX do the full band in XPIC like the Ceragon?

Can it mate to my existing dual-pol antennas?

I can't find much info on that online.

Has anyone done a similar 'swap out' with Airfiber 11FX fully maxed 
spectrum and bandwidth wise yet?

Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 11FX vs. Ceragon

[Mike Hammett]

Yeah, I forgot to mention that. It uses N-connectors and you'd need to custom 
all kinds of stuff probably. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Mathew Howard"  
To: "af"  
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 6:52:08 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 11FX vs. Ceragon 


Probably not something you want to do... as Jeff said, AF-11FX is limited to 
56mhz channels, so you're only get ~600Mbps out of it, and you'd most likely 
have to have adapters custom made to be able to use the existing antennas. 



On Tue, Sep 12, 2017 at 5:41 PM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists < jeffl...@att.net > 
wrote: 




56MHz channels only. Maxes out at about a Gig full duplex with xpic 80MHz 
channels. Very nice system for the money. 

Jeff Broadwick 
ConVergence Technologies , Inc. 
312-205-2519 Office 
574-220-7826 Cell 
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com 



On Sep 12, 2017, at 6:34 PM, Sterling Jacobson < sterl...@avative.net > wrote: 




Thanks to Trey for finding and shipping/selling me the part that Ceragon 
damaged in return shipping! 

That made it so I could finally remount my radio. 

They must have defaulted the Ceragon radio because none of my IP/programming in 
band works and I didn't add the Ethernet for management cable. 
Got to go back now and do all that over again and hopefully access and program 
the radio. 

But now I'm wondering if I should just buy a set of Airfiber 11FX equipment and 
replace the Ceragon entirely. 

Does Airfiber 11FX do the full band in XPIC like the Ceragon? 

Can it mate to my existing dual-pol antennas? 

I can't find much info on that online. 

Has anyone done a similar 'swap out' with Airfiber 11FX fully maxed spectrum 
and bandwidth wise yet? 

Re: [AFMUG] OT...For all you smart people here.

[Mathew Howard]

If the majority of their coverage area is serviced by millimeter wireless,
I'm guessing they don't have a very large coverage area...

On Tue, Sep 12, 2017 at 4:39 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller  wrote:

>
> it was...
>
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Dave 
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 12, 2017 4:26 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT...For all you smart people here.
>
> It said it was sent from your Smartphone
>
>
> On 09/12/2017 03:36 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:
>
>
> Know of it...haven't read much of it
>
> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone
>
> - Reply message -
> From: "CBB - Jay Fuller" 
> 
> To:  
> Subject: [AFMUG]OT...For all you smart people here.
> Date: Tue, Sep 12, 2017 3:34 PM
>
>
> Silklu I believe
>
> Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone
>
> - Reply message -
> From: "Jerry Head"  
> To:  
> Subject: [AFMUG] OT...For all you smart people here.
> Date: Tue, Sep 12, 2017 2:26 PM
>
> New WISP has apparently popped up in our are, I was reviewing their
> Webpage and saw this...
>
> "The majority of our coverage area is serviced by Multimeter Wireless"
>
> Not sure what that even means.
> Typo I guess.
>
>
> --
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 11FX vs. Ceragon

[Mathew Howard]

Probably not something you want to do... as Jeff said, AF-11FX is limited
to 56mhz channels, so you're only get ~600Mbps out of it, and you'd most
likely have to have adapters custom made to be able to use the existing
antennas.

On Tue, Sep 12, 2017 at 5:41 PM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists 
wrote:

> 56MHz channels only.  Maxes out at about a Gig full duplex with xpic 80MHz
> channels.  Very nice system for the money.
>
> Jeff Broadwick
> ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
> 312-205-2519 <(312)%20205-2519> Office
> 574-220-7826 <(574)%20220-7826> Cell
> jbroadw...@converge-tech.com
>
> On Sep 12, 2017, at 6:34 PM, Sterling Jacobson 
> wrote:
>
> Thanks to Trey for finding and shipping/selling me the part that Ceragon
> damaged in return shipping!
>
> That made it so I could finally remount my radio.
>
> They must have defaulted the Ceragon radio because none of my
> IP/programming in band works and I didn't add the Ethernet for management
> cable.
> Got to go back now and do all that over again and hopefully access and
> program the radio.
>
> But now I'm wondering if I should just buy a set of Airfiber 11FX
> equipment and replace the Ceragon entirely.
>
> Does Airfiber 11FX do the full band in XPIC like the Ceragon?
>
> Can it mate to my existing dual-pol antennas?
>
> I can't find much info on that online.
>
> Has anyone done a similar 'swap out' with Airfiber 11FX fully maxed
> spectrum and bandwidth wise yet?
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 11FX vs. Ceragon

[Mike Hammett]

Which Ceragon? You might be going backwards. 

500 - 600 megabits each direction. 

Uses 56 MHz in V and H. 

No SFP. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Sterling Jacobson"  
To: "af@afmug.com"  
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 5:34:40 PM 
Subject: [AFMUG] Airfiber 11FX vs. Ceragon 

Thanks to Trey for finding and shipping/selling me the part that Ceragon 
damaged in return shipping! 

That made it so I could finally remount my radio. 

They must have defaulted the Ceragon radio because none of my IP/programming in 
band works and I didn't add the Ethernet for management cable. 
Got to go back now and do all that over again and hopefully access and program 
the radio. 

But now I'm wondering if I should just buy a set of Airfiber 11FX equipment and 
replace the Ceragon entirely. 

Does Airfiber 11FX do the full band in XPIC like the Ceragon? 

Can it mate to my existing dual-pol antennas? 

I can't find much info on that online. 

Has anyone done a similar 'swap out' with Airfiber 11FX fully maxed spectrum 
and bandwidth wise yet? 

Re: [AFMUG] Airfiber 11FX vs. Ceragon

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

56MHz channels only.  Maxes out at about a Gig full duplex with xpic 80MHz 
channels.  Very nice system for the money.

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

> On Sep 12, 2017, at 6:34 PM, Sterling Jacobson  wrote:
> 
> Thanks to Trey for finding and shipping/selling me the part that Ceragon 
> damaged in return shipping!
> 
> That made it so I could finally remount my radio.
> 
> They must have defaulted the Ceragon radio because none of my IP/programming 
> in band works and I didn't add the Ethernet for management cable.
> Got to go back now and do all that over again and hopefully access and 
> program the radio.
> 
> But now I'm wondering if I should just buy a set of Airfiber 11FX equipment 
> and replace the Ceragon entirely.
> 
> Does Airfiber 11FX do the full band in XPIC like the Ceragon?
> 
> Can it mate to my existing dual-pol antennas?
> 
> I can't find much info on that online.
> 
> Has anyone done a similar 'swap out' with Airfiber 11FX fully maxed spectrum 
> and bandwidth wise yet?

[AFMUG] Airfiber 11FX vs. Ceragon

[Sterling Jacobson]

Thanks to Trey for finding and shipping/selling me the part that Ceragon 
damaged in return shipping!

That made it so I could finally remount my radio.

They must have defaulted the Ceragon radio because none of my IP/programming in 
band works and I didn't add the Ethernet for management cable.
Got to go back now and do all that over again and hopefully access and program 
the radio.

But now I'm wondering if I should just buy a set of Airfiber 11FX equipment and 
replace the Ceragon entirely.

Does Airfiber 11FX do the full band in XPIC like the Ceragon?

Can it mate to my existing dual-pol antennas?

I can't find much info on that online.

Has anyone done a similar 'swap out' with Airfiber 11FX fully maxed spectrum 
and bandwidth wise yet?

Re: [AFMUG] OT...For all you smart people here.

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

it was...

  - Original Message - 
  From: Dave 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 4:26 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT...For all you smart people here.


  It said it was sent from your Smartphone 



  On 09/12/2017 03:36 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:



Know of it...haven't read much of it 


Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone


- Reply message -
From: "CBB - Jay Fuller" 
To: 
Subject: [AFMUG]OT...For all you smart people here.
Date: Tue, Sep 12, 2017 3:34 PM




Silklu I believe


Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone


- Reply message -
From: "Jerry Head" 
To: 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT...For all you smart people here.
Date: Tue, Sep 12, 2017 2:26 PM

New WISP has apparently popped up in our are, I was reviewing their Webpage 
and saw this...

"The majority of our coverage area is serviced by Multimeter Wireless"

Not sure what that even means.
Typo I guess.




  -- 

Re: [AFMUG] OT...For all you smart people here.

[Dave]

It said it was sent from your Smartphone


On 09/12/2017 03:36 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:


Know of it...haven't read much of it

Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

- Reply message -
From: "CBB - Jay Fuller" 
To: 
Subject: [AFMUG]OT...For all you smart people here.
Date: Tue, Sep 12, 2017 3:34 PM


Silklu I believe

Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

- Reply message -
From: "Jerry Head" 
To: 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT...For all you smart people here.
Date: Tue, Sep 12, 2017 2:26 PM

New WISP has apparently popped up in our are, I was reviewing their 
Webpage and saw this...


"The majority of our coverage area is serviced by Multimeter Wireless"

Not sure what that even means.
Typo I guess.



--

Re: [AFMUG] OT...For all you smart people here.

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

Know of it...haven't read much of it 

Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

- Reply message -
From: "CBB - Jay Fuller" 
To: 
Subject: [AFMUG]OT...For all you smart people here.
Date: Tue, Sep 12, 2017 3:34 PM

Silklu I believe

Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

- Reply message -
From: "Jerry Head" 
To: 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT...For all you smart people here.
Date: Tue, Sep 12, 2017 2:26 PM


New WISP has apparently popped up in our are, I was reviewing their
Webpage and saw this...



"The majority of our
coverage area is serviced by Multimeter Wireless"



Not sure what that even means.

Typo I guess.

Re: [AFMUG] OT...For all you smart people here.

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

Silklu I believe

Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Smartphone

- Reply message -
From: "Jerry Head" 
To: 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT...For all you smart people here.
Date: Tue, Sep 12, 2017 2:26 PM

New WISP has apparently popped up in our are, I was reviewing their
Webpage and saw this...



"The majority of our
coverage area is serviced by Multimeter Wireless"



Not sure what that even means.

Typo I guess.

Re: [AFMUG] OT...For all you smart people here.

[Josh Reynolds]

I'm jumping up to decameter wireless.

Suck on that, foliage.

On Sep 12, 2017 2:50 PM, "Chuck McCown"  wrote:

> Millimeter wireless...
>
> *From:* Jerry Head
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 12, 2017 1:26 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT...For all you smart people here.
>
> New WISP has apparently popped up in our are, I was reviewing their
> Webpage and saw this...
>
> "The majority of our coverage area is serviced by Multimeter Wireless"
>
> Not sure what that even means.
> Typo I guess.
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT...For all you smart people here.

[Andy Trimmell]

http://en-us.fluke.com/products/digital-multimeters/fluke-cnx-3000-wireless-tester.html

 

This one got discontinued!

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 3:51 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT...For all you smart people here.

 

Millimeter wireless...

 

From: Jerry Head 

Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 1:26 PM

To: af@afmug.com 

Subject: [AFMUG] OT...For all you smart people here.

 

New WISP has apparently popped up in our are, I was reviewing their Webpage and 
saw this...

"The majority of our coverage area is serviced by Multimeter Wireless"

Not sure what that even means.
Typo I guess.

Re: [AFMUG] OT...For all you smart people here.

[Chuck McCown]

Millimeter wireless...

From: Jerry Head 
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 1:26 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT...For all you smart people here.

New WISP has apparently popped up in our are, I was reviewing their Webpage and 
saw this...

"The majority of our coverage area is serviced by Multimeter Wireless"

Not sure what that even means.
Typo I guess.

[AFMUG] OT...For all you smart people here.

[Jerry Head]

New WISP has apparently popped up in our are, I was reviewing their 
Webpage and saw this...


"The majority of our coverage area is serviced by Multimeter Wireless"

Not sure what that even means.
Typo I guess.

Re: [AFMUG] Packetflux Airfiber POE

[George Skorup]

Yeah, I'd be perfectly happy with a PDU-like card for -48. Most 
definitely a standard/negative return PDU card too.


I'm sure you have lots and lots of ideas and plans for the RackInjector. 
I know I've mentioned this and I'm sure you heard me, but a telemetry 
card would be nice. 3 switch inputs makes it really easy to monitor the 
Traco BMCs. And a shunt input. Plus a voltage input for utility 
monitoring. Another thing I like to do is wire up my MikroTik power 
through a relay. Basically that just saves a POE port which I tend to 
run out of quickly, but using the relay still lets me have remote 
power-cycle. Maybe this telemetry card could have a SiteMonitor 
expansion bus port? Maybe that could serve as a RackInjector slave shelf 
x-connect too? Perhaps a slave RackInjector model without a full 
controller in it? I'm sure you've thought of most of this already, just 
wanted to throw it out there. I think we're all excited to see what this 
thing can become. I want it to be the standard item at any site that I 
can fit it.


On 9/12/2017 3:23 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
Yeah, it seems that we didn't disable the airfiber for some reason.   
Worse, it was still set to show on the front page.   We've fixed that 
now.


One of the things on my list is to revisit how to deal with -48VDC.   
It tends to be a can of worms, basically because everthing electronic 
is generally designed for positive voltages, and dealing with negative 
voltages tends to put a wrench in things.


I will say that the rackinjector is designed such that we can build a 
card capable of -48VDC and install it without replacing the control 
board.  I have some ideas on how to do so.




On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 1:44 PM, George Skorup 
> wrote:


Pretty sure that's why this is out of stock:
http://store.packetflux.com/sitemonitor-gigabit-poe-injector-for-airfiber/


And this is the same price:
http://store.packetflux.com/sitemonitor-single-port-gigabit-poe-injector/


Like Forrest said, it's a single-port PowerInjector w/o sync. Open
it up to change jumpers for 2-pair or 4-pair GigE injection.

Something that myself, Adam and maybe a couple others have asked
for is a -48 version of something. I'd prefer the 5ch PDU.
Trango's and a handful of other licensed radios are under 2A. Then
there's stuff like Telrad eNBs at 100+ watts. Maybe you could run
3 or 4 of those on a PDU.

On 9/11/2017 2:22 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

Or notes in the gigE powerinjector that says it works with
*this radio
*that radio
*the next radio


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 3:11 PM, Mathew Howard
> wrote:

You might want to consider renaming it or something, because
it does tend to give the impression that you need something
special for an airFiber.

On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 1:37 PM, Forrest Christian (List
Account) >
wrote:

You're close.   The AirFiber came out because I expected
it to need more power than the 4 or 8 port port poe could
handle.

Nowadays it's just a single port version of the gige
powerinjector, complete with internal jumpers, minus the
sync.



On Sep 11, 2017 11:41 AM, "George Skorup"
> wrote:

I want to say the single-port AF injector came out
before Forrest had the 4/8-port GigE injectors done.
Or maybe even before they were designed. And that's
simply because of the GigE + 4-pair injection scheme.
That was one of the few radios at the time that
required 4 pairs because of the power consumption.

Forrest said the newer relays he's using on the GigE
4/8-port injectors will handle the current fine. The
older orange Omron relays not so much. I've burned up
quite a few of them over the years. Luckily they're
not too difficult to replace.

I'd just use a GigE PowerInjector+Sync these days.
You get 2A per port using 4-pair injection. Plus
solid-state over-current protection. Or the 5ch PDU
and GigE-POE-APCs. There are many good options now.
The RackInjector is gonna be awesome. And I hope to
see the 

[AFMUG] Mac and content

[Steve Jones]

We have been seeing an inordinate amount of performance issues, primarily
relating to content, whether streaming, or images, but just weird stuff in
general with the common thread being Macs. Is there some way theyre
accessing CDNs or something that could be an issue going on?

Re: [AFMUG] WECAT - Request for tower climbers Tampa FL

[Steve Jones]

is wecat set up to take donations to a fund to cover contractor expense
with the fund getting reimbursed?

On Tue, Sep 12, 2017 at 12:53 PM, Brian Webster 
wrote:

> His intent would be for that but he has yet to be able to get a call
> through to his insurance company. I asked him that very question, forgot to
> add it to the message. So he does not know what the time frame would be to
> pay them.
>
>
>
> Thank You,
>
> Brian Webster
>
> 214 Eggleston Hill Rd.
> 
>
> Cooperstown, NY 13326
> 
>
> (607) 643-4055 Office
>
> (607) 435-3988 Mobile
>
> (208) 692-1898 Fax
> Skype: Radiowebst
>
> www.wirelessmapping.com
>
> www.Broadband-Mapping.com
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 12, 2017 1:19 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] WECAT - Request for tower climbers Tampa FL
>
>
>
> Is this insurance reimbursed? I forwarded to a tower crew, but thats the
> first thing theyll ask
>
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 12, 2017 at 11:55 AM, Brian Webster 
> wrote:
>
> To all;
>
> WECAT has a request for assistance from one of our WISP’s
> in Florida. Dustin Jurman from Rapid Systems has a need for 4 tower
> climbers to help realign their backhaul links.
>
>
>
> In total there are 35 to 40 links to be assessed. He is not sure if all
> are out of alignment as their core links are down so he has no visibility
> to the other links via network monitoring to see their status. The storm
> went right through the middle of their network. No towers are down.
>
> He can provide housing.
>
> He has vehicles and crews to put together tower teams. He just needs the
> climbers and their harnesses. Towers are all 200ft or less.
>
> If air travel is how you will arrive Tampa is the airport.
>
> He expects this to be 5 days or so. He is requesting the help to get the
> backbone back up and running.
>
> He can accept the help as soon as now.
>
>
>
> Please reply directly to my primary email
>
>
>
> bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com
>
>
>
>
>
> Thank You,
>
> Brian Webster - President WECAT
>
> 214 Eggleston Hill Rd.
> 
>
> Cooperstown, NY 13326
> 
>
> (607) 643-4055 Office
>
> (607) 435-3988 Mobile
>
> (208) 692-1898 Fax
> Skype: Radiowebst
>
> www.wirelessmapping.com
>
> www.Broadband-Mapping.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Q

[Mike Hammett]

Probably more like the Mimosa Quamni or the IgniteNet omni than a WiFi box. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Josh Luthman"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 1:05:27 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Q 


You mean like the cnPilot 500? 






Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 

On Tue, Sep 12, 2017 at 2:02 PM, Carl Peterson < cpeter...@portnetworks.com > 
wrote: 



Do they have a 360 degree microcell product in the works. 


On Tue, Sep 12, 2017 at 2:00 PM, Josh Luthman < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > 
wrote: 



3000 will have a new SM - force 300, 220 that does 4x4 MU MIMO (double the 
throughput). 

Force 300 (new SM) does not work with epmp 1000 or 2000 AP. 






Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 



On Tue, Sep 12, 2017 at 12:04 PM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists < jeffl...@att.net > 
wrote: 






The 3000. It will have an AC Wave2 chipset and it will work with all current 
ePMP SMs and all Elevated SMs. Availability currently scheduled for the first 
quarter of 2018. 

Jeff Broadwick 
ConVergence Technologies , Inc. 
312-205-2519 Office 
574-220-7826 Cell 
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com 



On Sep 12, 2017, at 8:53 AM, Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: 





Yes, they've already said that. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 






From: "Adam Moffett" < dmmoff...@gmail.com > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 7:43:40 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Q 


Will there be an ePMP with an ac chipset someday? 




-- Original Message -- 
From: "Mike Hammett" < af...@ics-il.net > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: 9/11/2017 10:20:05 PM 
Subject: [AFMUG] Cambium Q 





If you could ask Cambium a question on their Elevate process or their roadmap, 
what would it be? 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 


















-- 



Carl Peterson 

PORT NETWORKS 
401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 
Baltimore, MD 21202 
(410) 637-3707 

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Q

[Josh Luthman]

You mean like the cnPilot 500?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Sep 12, 2017 at 2:02 PM, Carl Peterson 
wrote:

> Do they have a 360 degree microcell product in the works.
>
> On Tue, Sep 12, 2017 at 2:00 PM, Josh Luthman  > wrote:
>
>> 3000 will have a new SM - force 300, 220 that does 4x4 MU MIMO (double
>> the throughput).
>>
>> Force 300 (new SM) does not work with epmp 1000 or 2000 AP.
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> 
>> Suite 1337
>> 
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> 
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 12, 2017 at 12:04 PM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists <
>> jeffl...@att.net> wrote:
>>
>>> The 3000.  It will have an AC Wave2 chipset and it will work with all
>>> current ePMP SMs and all Elevated SMs.  Availability currently scheduled
>>> for the first quarter of 2018.
>>>
>>> Jeff Broadwick
>>> ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
>>> 312-205-2519 <(312)%20205-2519> Office
>>> 574-220-7826 <(574)%20220-7826> Cell
>>> jbroadw...@converge-tech.com
>>>
>>> On Sep 12, 2017, at 8:53 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>>>
>>> Yes, they've already said that.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The Brothers WISP 
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>> --
>>> *From: *"Adam Moffett" 
>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>> *Sent: *Tuesday, September 12, 2017 7:43:40 AM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Q
>>>
>>> Will there be an ePMP with an ac chipset someday?
>>>
>>>
>>> -- Original Message --
>>> From: "Mike Hammett" 
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Sent: 9/11/2017 10:20:05 PM
>>> Subject: [AFMUG] Cambium Q
>>>
>>> If you could ask Cambium a question on their Elevate process or their
>>> roadmap, what would it be?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The Brothers WISP 
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
> --
>
> Carl Peterson
>
> *PORT NETWORKS*
>
> 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553
> 
>
> Baltimore, MD 21202
> 
>
> (410) 637-3707
>

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Q

[Carl Peterson]

Do they have a 360 degree microcell product in the works.

On Tue, Sep 12, 2017 at 2:00 PM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> 3000 will have a new SM - force 300, 220 that does 4x4 MU MIMO (double the
> throughput).
>
> Force 300 (new SM) does not work with epmp 1000 or 2000 AP.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Tue, Sep 12, 2017 at 12:04 PM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists  > wrote:
>
>> The 3000.  It will have an AC Wave2 chipset and it will work with all
>> current ePMP SMs and all Elevated SMs.  Availability currently scheduled
>> for the first quarter of 2018.
>>
>> Jeff Broadwick
>> ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
>> 312-205-2519 <(312)%20205-2519> Office
>> 574-220-7826 <(574)%20220-7826> Cell
>> jbroadw...@converge-tech.com
>>
>> On Sep 12, 2017, at 8:53 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>>
>> Yes, they've already said that.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP 
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>> --
>> *From: *"Adam Moffett" 
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Tuesday, September 12, 2017 7:43:40 AM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Q
>>
>> Will there be an ePMP with an ac chipset someday?
>>
>>
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: "Mike Hammett" 
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: 9/11/2017 10:20:05 PM
>> Subject: [AFMUG] Cambium Q
>>
>> If you could ask Cambium a question on their Elevate process or their
>> roadmap, what would it be?
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP 
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>


-- 

Carl Peterson

*PORT NETWORKS*

401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553

Baltimore, MD 21202

(410) 637-3707

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Q

[Josh Luthman]

3000 will have a new SM - force 300, 220 that does 4x4 MU MIMO (double the
throughput).

Force 300 (new SM) does not work with epmp 1000 or 2000 AP.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Sep 12, 2017 at 12:04 PM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists 
wrote:

> The 3000.  It will have an AC Wave2 chipset and it will work with all
> current ePMP SMs and all Elevated SMs.  Availability currently scheduled
> for the first quarter of 2018.
>
> Jeff Broadwick
> ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
> 312-205-2519 <(312)%20205-2519> Office
> 574-220-7826 <(574)%20220-7826> Cell
> jbroadw...@converge-tech.com
>
> On Sep 12, 2017, at 8:53 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>
> Yes, they've already said that.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Adam Moffett" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Tuesday, September 12, 2017 7:43:40 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Q
>
> Will there be an ePMP with an ac chipset someday?
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Mike Hammett" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 9/11/2017 10:20:05 PM
> Subject: [AFMUG] Cambium Q
>
> If you could ask Cambium a question on their Elevate process or their
> roadmap, what would it be?
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Q

[Josh Luthman]

And there is a 4000 coming after that.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Sep 12, 2017 at 12:07 PM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

> Interesting.
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Jeff Broadwick - Lists" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 9/12/2017 12:04:39 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Q
>
> The 3000.  It will have an AC Wave2 chipset and it will work with all
> current ePMP SMs and all Elevated SMs.  Availability currently scheduled
> for the first quarter of 2018.
>
> Jeff Broadwick
> ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
> 312-205-2519 <(312)%20205-2519> Office
> 574-220-7826 <(574)%20220-7826> Cell
> jbroadw...@converge-tech.com
>
> On Sep 12, 2017, at 8:53 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>
> Yes, they've already said that.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
> *From: *"Adam Moffett" 
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Tuesday, September 12, 2017 7:43:40 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Q
>
> Will there be an ePMP with an ac chipset someday?
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Mike Hammett" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 9/11/2017 10:20:05 PM
> Subject: [AFMUG] Cambium Q
>
> If you could ask Cambium a question on their Elevate process or their
> roadmap, what would it be?
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] WECAT - Request for tower climbers Tampa FL

[Brian Webster]

His intent would be for that but he has yet to be able to get a call through to 
his insurance company. I asked him that very question, forgot to add it to the 
message. So he does not know what the time frame would be to pay them.

 

Thank You,

Brian Webster

214 Eggleston Hill Rd.

Cooperstown, NY 13326

(607) 643-4055 Office

(607) 435-3988 Mobile

(208) 692-1898 Fax
Skype: Radiowebst

www.wirelessmapping.com

www.Broadband-Mapping.com

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 1:19 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] WECAT - Request for tower climbers Tampa FL

 

Is this insurance reimbursed? I forwarded to a tower crew, but thats the first 
thing theyll ask

 

On Tue, Sep 12, 2017 at 11:55 AM, Brian Webster  
wrote:

To all;

WECAT has a request for assistance from one of our WISP’s in 
Florida. Dustin Jurman from Rapid Systems has a need for 4 tower climbers to 
help realign their backhaul links.

 

In total there are 35 to 40 links to be assessed. He is not sure if all are out 
of alignment as their core links are down so he has no visibility to the other 
links via network monitoring to see their status. The storm went right through 
the middle of their network. No towers are down.

He can provide housing.

He has vehicles and crews to put together tower teams. He just needs the 
climbers and their harnesses. Towers are all 200ft or less.

If air travel is how you will arrive Tampa is the airport.

He expects this to be 5 days or so. He is requesting the help to get the 
backbone back up and running. 

He can accept the help as soon as now.

 

Please reply directly to my primary email 

 

bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com

 

 

Thank You,

Brian Webster - President WECAT

214 Eggleston Hill Rd. 

 

Cooperstown, NY 13326 

 

(607) 643-4055   Office

(607) 435-3988   Mobile

(208) 692-1898   Fax
Skype: Radiowebst

www.wirelessmapping.com

www.Broadband-Mapping.com

 

 

 

Re: [AFMUG] WECAT - Request for tower climbers Tampa FL

[Steve Jones]

Is this insurance reimbursed? I forwarded to a tower crew, but thats the
first thing theyll ask

On Tue, Sep 12, 2017 at 11:55 AM, Brian Webster 
wrote:

> To all;
>
> WECAT has a request for assistance from one of our WISP’s
> in Florida. Dustin Jurman from Rapid Systems has a need for 4 tower
> climbers to help realign their backhaul links.
>
>
>
> In total there are 35 to 40 links to be assessed. He is not sure if all
> are out of alignment as their core links are down so he has no visibility
> to the other links via network monitoring to see their status. The storm
> went right through the middle of their network. No towers are down.
>
> He can provide housing.
>
> He has vehicles and crews to put together tower teams. He just needs the
> climbers and their harnesses. Towers are all 200ft or less.
>
> If air travel is how you will arrive Tampa is the airport.
>
> He expects this to be 5 days or so. He is requesting the help to get the
> backbone back up and running.
>
> He can accept the help as soon as now.
>
>
>
> Please reply directly to my primary email
>
>
>
> bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com
>
>
>
>
>
> Thank You,
>
> Brian Webster - President WECAT
>
> 214 Eggleston Hill Rd.
> 
>
> Cooperstown, NY 13326
> 
>
> (607) 643-4055 Office
>
> (607) 435-3988 Mobile
>
> (208) 692-1898 Fax
> Skype: Radiowebst
>
> www.wirelessmapping.com
>
> www.Broadband-Mapping.com
>
>
>
>
>

[AFMUG] WECAT - Request for tower climbers Tampa FL

[Brian Webster]

To all;

WECAT has a request for assistance from one of our WISP's in
Florida. Dustin Jurman from Rapid Systems has a need for 4 tower climbers to
help realign their backhaul links.

 

In total there are 35 to 40 links to be assessed. He is not sure if all are
out of alignment as their core links are down so he has no visibility to the
other links via network monitoring to see their status. The storm went right
through the middle of their network. No towers are down.

He can provide housing.

He has vehicles and crews to put together tower teams. He just needs the
climbers and their harnesses. Towers are all 200ft or less.

If air travel is how you will arrive Tampa is the airport.

He expects this to be 5 days or so. He is requesting the help to get the
backbone back up and running. 

He can accept the help as soon as now.

 

Please reply directly to my primary email 

 

bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com

 

 

Thank You,

Brian Webster - President WECAT

214 Eggleston Hill Rd.

Cooperstown, NY 13326

(607) 643-4055 Office

(607) 435-3988 Mobile

(208) 692-1898 Fax
Skype: Radiowebst

  www.wirelessmapping.com

www.Broadband-Mapping.com

 

 

Re: [AFMUG] Enclosures

[Mike Hammett]

Some do have 802.3xx PoE output, thought hey may not be shipping yet. 

I don't know of any DIN mount ones, but you could probably fashion something. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Matt"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 11:34:45 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Enclosures 

I really wish Mikrotik made DIN mount switches. I also wish they made 
them with 802.3at POE output. 


On Tue, Sep 12, 2017 at 11:18 AM, Steve Jones  
wrote: 
> I would love it if somebody would host a warehouse of images, diagrams and 
> kudos for wisp enclosures (and other misc prettiness) for design reference. 
> I have pretty box folders with pictures I try to steal ideas from, but 
> always end up with disorganized chaos thats one opening of the door away 
> from catastrophe. 
> 
> What id really love to see is a timeline of images of someone who has 
> progressed from AC power only to DC plant. batteries running our AC plant 
> just to get us back to DC is killing us, smalls 
> 
> On Tue, Sep 12, 2017 at 11:10 AM, Adam Moffett  wrote: 
>> 
>> Someone posted the attached pic recently, but I can't remember who. 
>> 
>> I was wondering what brand of enclosure that is. I like the little 
>> standoffs on the door. 
>> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] Enclosures

[Matt]

I really wish Mikrotik made DIN mount switches.  I also wish they made
them with 802.3at POE output.


On Tue, Sep 12, 2017 at 11:18 AM, Steve Jones  wrote:
> I would love it if somebody would host a warehouse of images, diagrams and
> kudos for wisp enclosures (and other misc prettiness) for design reference.
> I have pretty box folders with pictures I try to steal ideas from, but
> always end up with disorganized chaos thats one opening of the door away
> from catastrophe.
>
> What id really love to see is a timeline of images of someone who has
> progressed from AC power only to DC plant. batteries running our AC plant
> just to get us back to DC is killing us, smalls
>
> On Tue, Sep 12, 2017 at 11:10 AM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
>>
>> Someone posted the attached pic recently, but I can't remember who.
>>
>> I was wondering what brand of enclosure that is.  I like the little
>> standoffs on the door.
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Enclosures

[Jesse Dupont]

It's the Tycon ENC-ST-23-14-12.

I did this post a while back, I need to update it...
https://community.ubnt.com/t5/airMAX-Stories/Cabinet-Design-Progression/cns-p/885120


From: Af  on behalf of Adam Moffett 
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 10:10:44 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Enclosures

Someone posted the attached pic recently, but I can't remember who.

I was wondering what brand of enclosure that is.  I like the little standoffs 
on the door.

Re: [AFMUG] Enclosures

[Steve Jones]

I would love it if somebody would host a warehouse of images, diagrams and
kudos for wisp enclosures (and other misc prettiness) for design reference.
I have pretty box folders with pictures I try to steal ideas from, but
always end up with disorganized chaos thats one opening of the door away
from catastrophe.

What id really love to see is a timeline of images of someone who has
progressed from AC power only to DC plant. batteries running our AC plant
just to get us back to DC is killing us, smalls

On Tue, Sep 12, 2017 at 11:10 AM, Adam Moffett  wrote:

> Someone posted the attached pic recently, but I can't remember who.
>
> I was wondering what brand of enclosure that is.  I like the little
> standoffs on the door.
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] RD-5G30-LW vs. RD-5G30

[Jeremy]

I have one on the roof of my house.  I like it.

On Tue, Sep 12, 2017 at 9:15 AM, Mathew Howard  wrote:

> Oh, and as far as actual RF performance, I haven't noticed any major
> difference between the two. I'd say the lightweight is better, if anything.
>
> On Tue, Sep 12, 2017 at 10:12 AM, Mathew Howard 
> wrote:
>
>> The mount is completely different... it's made of thinner steal, and it
>> uses smaller diameter bolts (8mm vs 10mm, I think on the old ones), but it
>> is a completely different design, so I don't know that there's any
>> realistic difference in strength, and I believe they still fit the same
>> size pipes. It's also a deeper dish (the edge of the dish is flush with the
>> end of the feedhorn), which reduces (or eliminates, in my opinion, in most
>> cases) the need for adding shielding. They're also a lot easier and faster
>> to assemble. Overall, I like the lightweight dishes much better than the
>> old ones... I actually didn't realize they were even still making the
>> standard RD-5G30.
>>
>> Also, the RD-5G20-LW is exactly the same as the 2' AirFiber 5X dish,
>> except that the airFiber dish has a dual slant feedhorn instead of H/V.
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 12, 2017 at 9:55 AM, Paul McCall  wrote:
>>
>>> How do these lightweight dishes perform compared to the regular ones?
>>> Is the mount the same or is it the same.   For $ 40 less times a bunch of
>>> them I need, its worth the question.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Obviously, I can’t skimp on construction in Florida, so needing to ask
>>> the question to those who have used them
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Paul
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Paul McCall, President
>>>
>>> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
>>>
>>> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>>> 
>>>
>>> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>>> 
>>>
>>> 772-564-6800 <(772)%20564-6800>
>>>
>>> pa...@pdmnet.net
>>>
>>> www.pdmnet.com
>>>
>>> www.floridabroadband.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Q

[Adam Moffett]

Interesting.


-- Original Message --
From: "Jeff Broadwick - Lists" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 9/12/2017 12:04:39 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Q

The 3000.  It will have an AC Wave2 chipset and it will work with all 
current ePMP SMs and all Elevated SMs.  Availability currently 
scheduled for the first quarter of 2018.


Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

On Sep 12, 2017, at 8:53 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:


Yes, they've already said that.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
 
 
 


Midwest Internet Exchange 
 
 


The Brothers WISP 





From: "Adam Moffett" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 7:43:40 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Q

Will there be an ePMP with an ac chipset someday?


-- Original Message --
From: "Mike Hammett" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 9/11/2017 10:20:05 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] Cambium Q

If you could ask Cambium a question on their Elevate process or their 
roadmap, what would it be?




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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
 
 
 


Midwest Internet Exchange 
 
 


The Brothers WISP 

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Q

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

The 3000.  It will have an AC Wave2 chipset and it will work with all current 
ePMP SMs and all Elevated SMs.  Availability currently scheduled for the first 
quarter of 2018.

Jeff Broadwick
ConVergence Technologies, Inc.
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@converge-tech.com

> On Sep 12, 2017, at 8:53 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:
> 
> Yes, they've already said that.
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange
> 
> The Brothers WISP
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: "Adam Moffett" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 7:43:40 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Q
> 
> Will there be an ePMP with an ac chipset someday?
> 
> 
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Mike Hammett" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: 9/11/2017 10:20:05 PM
> Subject: [AFMUG] Cambium Q
> 
> If you could ask Cambium a question on their Elevate process or their 
> roadmap, what would it be?
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange
> 
> The Brothers WISP
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

Re: [AFMUG] RD-5G30-LW vs. RD-5G30

[Mathew Howard]

Oh, and as far as actual RF performance, I haven't noticed any major
difference between the two. I'd say the lightweight is better, if anything.

On Tue, Sep 12, 2017 at 10:12 AM, Mathew Howard 
wrote:

> The mount is completely different... it's made of thinner steal, and it
> uses smaller diameter bolts (8mm vs 10mm, I think on the old ones), but it
> is a completely different design, so I don't know that there's any
> realistic difference in strength, and I believe they still fit the same
> size pipes. It's also a deeper dish (the edge of the dish is flush with the
> end of the feedhorn), which reduces (or eliminates, in my opinion, in most
> cases) the need for adding shielding. They're also a lot easier and faster
> to assemble. Overall, I like the lightweight dishes much better than the
> old ones... I actually didn't realize they were even still making the
> standard RD-5G30.
>
> Also, the RD-5G20-LW is exactly the same as the 2' AirFiber 5X dish,
> except that the airFiber dish has a dual slant feedhorn instead of H/V.
>
> On Tue, Sep 12, 2017 at 9:55 AM, Paul McCall  wrote:
>
>> How do these lightweight dishes perform compared to the regular ones?
>> Is the mount the same or is it the same.   For $ 40 less times a bunch of
>> them I need, its worth the question.
>>
>>
>>
>> Obviously, I can’t skimp on construction in Florida, so needing to ask
>> the question to those who have used them
>>
>>
>>
>> Paul
>>
>>
>>
>> Paul McCall, President
>>
>> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
>>
>> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>> 
>>
>> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>> 
>>
>> 772-564-6800 <(772)%20564-6800>
>>
>> pa...@pdmnet.net
>>
>> www.pdmnet.com
>>
>> www.floridabroadband.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] RD-5G30-LW vs. RD-5G30

[Adair Winter]

I don't like the LW dish. My preferred dish is the 31-ac dish.
Unless you just want cheap.

On Sep 12, 2017 8:55 AM, "Paul McCall"  wrote:

> How do these lightweight dishes perform compared to the regular ones?   Is
> the mount the same or is it the same.   For $ 40 less times a bunch of them
> I need, its worth the question.
>
>
>
> Obviously, I can’t skimp on construction in Florida, so needing to ask the
> question to those who have used them
>
>
>
> Paul
>
>
>
> Paul McCall, President
>
> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
>
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
> 
>
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
> 
>
> 772-564-6800 <(772)%20564-6800>
>
> pa...@pdmnet.net
>
> www.pdmnet.com
>
> www.floridabroadband.com
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] RD-5G30-LW vs. RD-5G30

[Mathew Howard]

The mount is completely different... it's made of thinner steal, and it
uses smaller diameter bolts (8mm vs 10mm, I think on the old ones), but it
is a completely different design, so I don't know that there's any
realistic difference in strength, and I believe they still fit the same
size pipes. It's also a deeper dish (the edge of the dish is flush with the
end of the feedhorn), which reduces (or eliminates, in my opinion, in most
cases) the need for adding shielding. They're also a lot easier and faster
to assemble. Overall, I like the lightweight dishes much better than the
old ones... I actually didn't realize they were even still making the
standard RD-5G30.

Also, the RD-5G20-LW is exactly the same as the 2' AirFiber 5X dish, except
that the airFiber dish has a dual slant feedhorn instead of H/V.

On Tue, Sep 12, 2017 at 9:55 AM, Paul McCall  wrote:

> How do these lightweight dishes perform compared to the regular ones?   Is
> the mount the same or is it the same.   For $ 40 less times a bunch of them
> I need, its worth the question.
>
>
>
> Obviously, I can’t skimp on construction in Florida, so needing to ask the
> question to those who have used them
>
>
>
> Paul
>
>
>
> Paul McCall, President
>
> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
>
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
> 
>
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
> 
>
> 772-564-6800 <(772)%20564-6800>
>
> pa...@pdmnet.net
>
> www.pdmnet.com
>
> www.floridabroadband.com
>
>
>
>
>

[AFMUG] RD-5G30-LW vs. RD-5G30

[Paul McCall]

How do these lightweight dishes perform compared to the regular ones?   Is the 
mount the same or is it the same.   For $ 40 less times a bunch of them I need, 
its worth the question.

Obviously, I can't skimp on construction in Florida, so needing to ask the 
question to those who have used them

Paul

Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800
pa...@pdmnet.net
www.pdmnet.com
www.floridabroadband.com

Re: [AFMUG] 60GHz

[Dennis Burgess]

Brett,

If you are interested in them, give us a call, there will be no more than two 
kits to each customer in first batch, we need your order to get those.  BTW, 
they are $199 list.  :)   once you get your kits, you can try them out and as 
long as they work and everything is good, then when they become generally 
available you can order more :)  

Give us a CALL on them!  


Dennis Burgess – Network Solution Engineer – Consultant 
MikroTik Certified Trainer/Consultant – MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE

For Wireless Hardware/Routers visit www.linktechs.net
Radio Frequency Coverages: www.towercoverage.com 
Office: 314-735-0270
E-Mail: dmburg...@linktechs.net 


-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Brett A Mansfield
Sent: Monday, September 11, 2017 5:24 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] 60GHz

Anyone know anything about the Mikrotik 60GHz stuff yet? I’m looking for some 
good gear and I use some Ignitenet. Ignitenet is great but so cost prohibitive. 
I’m hoping Mikrotik will have theirs released very soon as I need a couple 
hundred radios. 

Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Q

[Mike Hammett]

Yes, they've already said that. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Adam Moffett"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 7:43:40 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Q 


Will there be an ePMP with an ac chipset someday? 




-- Original Message -- 
From: "Mike Hammett" < af...@ics-il.net > 
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: 9/11/2017 10:20:05 PM 
Subject: [AFMUG] Cambium Q 





If you could ask Cambium a question on their Elevate process or their roadmap, 
what would it be? 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Q

[Adam Moffett]

Will there be an ePMP with an ac chipset someday?


-- Original Message --
From: "Mike Hammett" 
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 9/11/2017 10:20:05 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] Cambium Q

If you could ask Cambium a question on their Elevate process or their 
roadmap, what would it be?




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
 
 
 


Midwest Internet Exchange 
 
 


The Brothers WISP 

Re: [AFMUG] Packetflux Airfiber POE

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

Yeah, it seems that we didn't disable the airfiber for some reason.
Worse, it was still set to show on the front page.   We've fixed that now.

One of the things on my list is to revisit how to deal with -48VDC.   It
tends to be a can of worms, basically because everthing electronic is
generally designed for positive voltages, and dealing with negative
voltages tends to put a wrench in things.

I will say that the rackinjector is designed such that we can build a card
capable of -48VDC and install it without replacing the control board.  I
have some ideas on how to do so.



On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 1:44 PM, George Skorup 
wrote:

> Pretty sure that's why this is out of stock: http://store.packetflux.com/
> sitemonitor-gigabit-poe-injector-for-airfiber/
>
> And this is the same price: http://store.packetflux.com/
> sitemonitor-single-port-gigabit-poe-injector/
>
> Like Forrest said, it's a single-port PowerInjector w/o sync. Open it up
> to change jumpers for 2-pair or 4-pair GigE injection.
>
> Something that myself, Adam and maybe a couple others have asked for is a
> -48 version of something. I'd prefer the 5ch PDU. Trango's and a handful of
> other licensed radios are under 2A. Then there's stuff like Telrad eNBs at
> 100+ watts. Maybe you could run 3 or 4 of those on a PDU.
>
> On 9/11/2017 2:22 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
> Or notes in the gigE powerinjector that says it works with
> *this radio
> *that radio
> *the next radio
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340 <(937)%20552-2340>
> Direct: 937-552-2343 <(937)%20552-2343>
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 3:11 PM, Mathew Howard 
> wrote:
>
>> You might want to consider renaming it or something, because it does tend
>> to give the impression that you need something special for an airFiber.
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 1:37 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
>> li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
>>
>>> You're close.   The AirFiber came out because I expected it to need more
>>> power than the 4 or 8 port port poe could handle.
>>>
>>> Nowadays it's just a single port version of the gige powerinjector,
>>> complete with internal jumpers, minus the sync.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sep 11, 2017 11:41 AM, "George Skorup" 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I want to say the single-port AF injector came out before Forrest had
>>> the 4/8-port GigE injectors done. Or maybe even before they were designed.
>>> And that's simply because of the GigE + 4-pair injection scheme. That was
>>> one of the few radios at the time that required 4 pairs because of the
>>> power consumption.
>>>
>>> Forrest said the newer relays he's using on the GigE 4/8-port injectors
>>> will handle the current fine. The older orange Omron relays not so much.
>>> I've burned up quite a few of them over the years. Luckily they're not too
>>> difficult to replace.
>>>
>>> I'd just use a GigE PowerInjector+Sync these days. You get 2A per port
>>> using 4-pair injection. Plus solid-state over-current protection. Or the
>>> 5ch PDU and GigE-POE-APCs. There are many good options now. The
>>> RackInjector is gonna be awesome. And I hope to see the 12-port
>>> PowerInjector+Sync later for the smaller cabinets. Fuses and wiring drives
>>> me nuts.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 9/11/2017 12:08 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>>>
>>> It so happens an AF24 is exactly what I'm looking at.
>>>
>>>
>>> -- Original Message --
>>> From: "Mathew Howard" 
>>> To: "af" 
>>> Sent: 9/11/2017 12:56:13 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Packetflux Airfiber POE
>>>
>>> If I remember correctly, the 4 port works fine. I think the reason for
>>> the special one was because the airFiber 24 draws so much power, but if I
>>> remember right, it was determined later on that the normal injectors would
>>> handle it fine (and I'm pretty sure I had one running on one at one point).
>>> It certainly wouldn't be an issue with anything other than the 24ghz
>>> airfbers anyhow, since the others all use a lot less power.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Sep 11, 2017 at 11:40 AM, Adam Moffett 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I'm wondering why there is a special AirFiber POE device for
 Packetflux.  Will AirFiber not work with the 4 port gigE POE adapter?


>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>


-- 
*Forrest Christian* *CEO**, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc.*
Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602
forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com