Re: [AFMUG] donations to cover cost of the list

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

:-D
Thank you Paul

  - Original Message - 
  From: Paul McCall 
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2017 7:16 PM
  Subject: [AFMUG] donations to cover cost of the list


  ATM,

   

  We received donations from these people, for a total of $ 730

   

  Colin Stanners 

  Chuck McCown

  Cyber Broadband

  Triad Wireless

  Avant Wireless

  Mathew Howard

   

  Thank you!

   

   

   

   

  Paul McCall, President

  PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.

  658 Old Dixie Highway

  Vero Beach, FL 32962

  772-564-6800  

  pa...@pdmnet.net

  www.pdmnet.com

  www.floridabroadband.com

   

   

Re: [AFMUG] donations to cover cost of the list

[Rory Conaway]

Donation?  I thought I was ordering pizza.

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul McCall
Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2017 5:17 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] donations to cover cost of the list

ATM,

We received donations from these people, for a total of $ 730

Colin Stanners
Chuck McCown
Cyber Broadband
Triad Wireless
Avant Wireless
Mathew Howard

Thank you!




Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800
pa...@pdmnet.net
www.pdmnet.com
www.floridabroadband.com

Re: [AFMUG] donations to cover cost of the list

[Jeremy]

Skipped me :( ...The donation from 'cyber-surplus' was me, via Blue Spring
Broadband.

On Sat, Sep 16, 2017 at 6:16 PM, Paul McCall  wrote:

> ATM,
>
>
>
> We received donations from these people, for a total of $ 730
>
>
>
> Colin Stanners
>
> Chuck McCown
>
> Cyber Broadband
>
> Triad Wireless
>
> Avant Wireless
>
> Mathew Howard
>
>
>
> Thank you!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Paul McCall, President
>
> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
>
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
> 
>
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
> 
>
> 772-564-6800 <(772)%20564-6800>
>
> pa...@pdmnet.net
>
> www.pdmnet.com
>
> www.floridabroadband.com
>
>
>
>
>

[AFMUG] donations to cover cost of the list

[Paul McCall]

ATM,

We received donations from these people, for a total of $ 730

Colin Stanners
Chuck McCown
Cyber Broadband
Triad Wireless
Avant Wireless
Mathew Howard

Thank you!




Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800
pa...@pdmnet.net
www.pdmnet.com
www.floridabroadband.com

Re: [AFMUG] Pauls cashflow with afmug

[Rory Conaway]

I’ve got a couple of cousins, Guido and Vinnie, excellent negotiators.

Rory


From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2017 12:44 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pauls cashflow with afmug

So tempting (think good thoughts, think good thoughts)

From: Jaime Solorza
Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2017 1:41 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pauls cashflow with afmug

Hey Chuck my friends are cheaper than a lawyer and results are guaranteed.  Let 
me know

On Sep 16, 2017 10:53 AM, > wrote:
Swap #2 and #3
And the split was between Wireless Beehive/Beehive Telephone and Wireless 
Beehive Mfg.

Later I mothballed Wireless Beehive Mfg as McCown tech owned all the equipment 
and intellectual property.

The legal battle has entered its fourth year.  Wheee!

From: Colin Stanners
Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2017 10:15 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pauls cashflow with afmug

The AFMUG list has travelled through at least 4 hosts:

1) Part-15.org, until Michael Anderson's memorable "I QUIT" and pulling the 
plug on the server...
2) Wireless Beehive, until the unfortunate split with Beehive Mfg/McCown Tech
3) WISPA, until some discussions about list sponsorship/content control?
4) PDMnet, as Paul offered their support to simplify the above


It's safe to say PDMnet will be around and supporting AFMUG for a long time, 
however many are pitching in to keep their accountants happy about it too.


On Sep 16, 2017 10:01 AM, "Adair Winter" 
> wrote:
I guess I'm the odd ball out, what are we donating to/for?

On Sat, Sep 16, 2017 at 9:37 AM, Chuck McCown 
> wrote:
I ante’d up too, start dealing.

From: Jeremy
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 9:08 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pauls cashflow with afmug

Just sent you $100 (cyber-surplus)

On Fri, Sep 15, 2017 at 6:46 AM, Paul McCall 
> wrote:
Thanks Steve,

I was thinking of that also.  It’s actually more than that, we kept the support 
only because there wasn’t a decent pay per incident plan with anything that 
added value to solving a problem.

So, its around $ 200 per month.  Last time, we got in $ 950 (approximately).  I 
don’t mind a difficiency (meaning PDMNet pays a decent part of it). And, we did 
it the first 2 years fully bearing costs.

We really don’t mind doing this.  I know there was a discussion last time about 
options.  My simple statement is “It works great” one less thing to deal with, 
yet getting good results.

Any contributions are certainly welcome, especially at this time.  We have 
heavy losses with customer gear and recovery costs.  The largest part of our 
coverage area got 100mph+ gusts.  A very large tree came apart (probably a 
tornado) and blew that and a bunch of other stuff into a Rohn 25G 150ft. and 
brought it down.  Trashed everything on the tower also. So, there is a $ 15K 
hit to get a new one up (Rohn 45G)  and they just got the land cleared 
yesterday,  trying to get new foundation work done.

It was a tower site that we acquired and the foundations turned out to be 
substandard, so we have to start from scratch and the property owner is not 
contributing as he “Doesn’t make enough money from it”.

Our paypal address is pa...@pdmnet.net

Paul

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 12:56 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pauls cashflow with afmug

Last update btw, was about 1800 bucks a year without support.

On Sep 14, 2017 11:30 PM, "Steve Jones" 
> wrote:
Its been a bit since a benefit drive for the list. Current situations with 
weather and all might indicate a need for an afmug influx again. My donations 
come out of my personal pockets. Im personally rich in spirit, poor in cash. 
But can we get the paypal address back up so right now that cashflow isnt a 
concern?





--

Adair Winter
VP, Network Operations / Co-Owner
Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071
C: 806.231.7180
http://www.amarillowireless.net
[https://docs.google.com/a/amarillowireless.net/uc?id=0B-KeaiwIRBHEQl9leFFvVjZuWmc=download]

Re: [AFMUG] Pauls cashflow with afmug

[chuck]

So tempting (think good thoughts, think good thoughts)

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2017 1:41 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pauls cashflow with afmug

Hey Chuck my friends are cheaper than a lawyer and results are guaranteed.  Let 
me know


On Sep 16, 2017 10:53 AM,  wrote:

  Swap #2 and #3
  And the split was between Wireless Beehive/Beehive Telephone and Wireless 
Beehive Mfg.  

  Later I mothballed Wireless Beehive Mfg as McCown tech owned all the 
equipment and intellectual property.  

  The legal battle has entered its fourth year.  Wheee!

  From: Colin Stanners 
  Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2017 10:15 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pauls cashflow with afmug

  The AFMUG list has travelled through at least 4 hosts: 

  1) Part-15.org, until Michael Anderson's memorable "I QUIT" and pulling the 
plug on the server...
  2) Wireless Beehive, until the unfortunate split with Beehive Mfg/McCown Tech
  3) WISPA, until some discussions about list sponsorship/content control?
  4) PDMnet, as Paul offered their support to simplify the above


  It's safe to say PDMnet will be around and supporting AFMUG for a long time, 
however many are pitching in to keep their accountants happy about it too.


  On Sep 16, 2017 10:01 AM, "Adair Winter"  wrote:

I guess I'm the odd ball out, what are we donating to/for?

On Sat, Sep 16, 2017 at 9:37 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

  I ante’d up too, start dealing.  

  From: Jeremy 
  Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 9:08 PM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pauls cashflow with afmug

  Just sent you $100 (cyber-surplus)

  On Fri, Sep 15, 2017 at 6:46 AM, Paul McCall  wrote:

Thanks Steve,  



I was thinking of that also.  It’s actually more than that, we kept the 
support only because there wasn’t a decent pay per incident plan with anything 
that added value to solving a problem.



So, its around $ 200 per month.  Last time, we got in $ 950 
(approximately).  I don’t mind a difficiency (meaning PDMNet pays a decent part 
of it). And, we did it the first 2 years fully bearing costs.



We really don’t mind doing this.  I know there was a discussion last 
time about options.  My simple statement is “It works great” one less thing to 
deal with, yet getting good results.



Any contributions are certainly welcome, especially at this time.  We 
have heavy losses with customer gear and recovery costs.  The largest part of 
our coverage area got 100mph+ gusts.  A very large tree came apart (probably a 
tornado) and blew that and a bunch of other stuff into a Rohn 25G 150ft. and 
brought it down.  Trashed everything on the tower also. So, there is a $ 15K 
hit to get a new one up (Rohn 45G)  and they just got the land cleared 
yesterday,  trying to get new foundation work done.  



It was a tower site that we acquired and the foundations turned out to 
be substandard, so we have to start from scratch and the property owner is not 
contributing as he “Doesn’t make enough money from it”.



Our paypal address is pa...@pdmnet.net



Paul



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 12:56 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pauls cashflow with afmug



Last update btw, was about 1800 bucks a year without support.



On Sep 14, 2017 11:30 PM, "Steve Jones"  
wrote:

  Its been a bit since a benefit drive for the list. Current situations 
with weather and all might indicate a need for an afmug influx again. My 
donations come out of my personal pockets. Im personally rich in spirit, poor 
in cash. But can we get the paypal address back up so right now that cashflow 
isnt a concern?








-- 

Adair Winter
VP, Network Operations / Co-Owner
Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071
C: 806.231.7180
http://www.amarillowireless.net

Re: [AFMUG] FM radio colocation interference?

[chuck]

The FM antenna will attempt to direct the energy away from the tower.  If you 
are below the antenna, you are in somewhat of a null area.
Do you know the transmitter power output of the FM station?
Ferrite and coils of cat 5 will choke the FM out of the radio to a certain 
degree.  

I think it will work.  You will need shielded cable of course.  
You may need the ferrite.  Coils cost nothing and are no extra work.

Conduit or liquidtight have fixed problems for others.  

Lots of folks are on towers with broadcasters.  

From: Jon Langeler 
Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2017 1:37 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] FM radio colocation interference?

50' difference and frequency of 99.5mhz

I don't see how 100BT could possibly work 

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.


On Sep 16, 2017, at 3:26 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:


  Depends on how close they are to your APs and how much power.

  You can Use fiber or run all cat5 in liquidtight (with the metal armor) all 
the way to the radio.

  -Sean


  On Sat, Sep 16, 2017 at 1:13 PM Jon Langeler  
wrote:

Theres a potentially new FM radio tenant wanting to colocate on a tower we 
are already on. We're predicting there is absolutely no way this will work with 
our 100BT and 1000BT Ethernet links.

He anyone collocated with FM radio and 'it worked '?


Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.

Re: [AFMUG] Pauls cashflow with afmug

[Jaime Solorza]

Hey Chuck my friends are cheaper than a lawyer and results are guaranteed.
Let me know

On Sep 16, 2017 10:53 AM,  wrote:

Swap #2 and #3
And the split was between Wireless Beehive/Beehive Telephone and Wireless
Beehive Mfg.

Later I mothballed Wireless Beehive Mfg as McCown tech owned all the
equipment and intellectual property.

The legal battle has entered its fourth year.  Wheee!

*From:* Colin Stanners
*Sent:* Saturday, September 16, 2017 10:15 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Pauls cashflow with afmug

The AFMUG list has travelled through at least 4 hosts:

1) Part-15.org, until Michael Anderson's memorable "I QUIT" and pulling the
plug on the server...
2) Wireless Beehive, until the unfortunate split with Beehive Mfg/McCown
Tech
3) WISPA, until some discussions about list sponsorship/content control?
4) PDMnet, as Paul offered their support to simplify the above


It's safe to say PDMnet will be around and supporting AFMUG for a long
time, however many are pitching in to keep their accountants happy about it
too.


On Sep 16, 2017 10:01 AM, "Adair Winter" 
wrote:

I guess I'm the odd ball out, what are we donating to/for?

On Sat, Sep 16, 2017 at 9:37 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> I ante’d up too, start dealing.
>
> *From:* Jeremy
> *Sent:* Friday, September 15, 2017 9:08 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Pauls cashflow with afmug
>
> Just sent you $100 (cyber-surplus)
>
> On Fri, Sep 15, 2017 at 6:46 AM, Paul McCall  wrote:
>
>> Thanks Steve,
>>
>>
>>
>> I was thinking of that also.  It’s actually more than that, we kept the
>> support only because there wasn’t a decent pay per incident plan with
>> anything that added value to solving a problem.
>>
>>
>>
>> So, its around $ 200 per month.  Last time, we got in $ 950
>> (approximately).  I don’t mind a difficiency (meaning PDMNet pays a decent
>> part of it). And, we did it the first 2 years fully bearing costs.
>>
>>
>>
>> We really don’t mind doing this.  I know there was a discussion last time
>> about options.  My simple statement is “It works great” one less thing to
>> deal with, yet getting good results.
>>
>>
>>
>> Any contributions are certainly welcome, especially at this time.  We
>> have heavy losses with customer gear and recovery costs.  The largest part
>> of our coverage area got 100mph+ gusts.  A very large tree came apart
>> (probably a tornado) and blew that and a bunch of other stuff into a Rohn
>> 25G 150ft. and brought it down.  Trashed everything on the tower also. So,
>> there is a $ 15K hit to get a new one up (Rohn 45G)  and they just got the
>> land cleared yesterday,  trying to get new foundation work done.
>>
>>
>>
>> It was a tower site that we acquired and the foundations turned out to be
>> substandard, so we have to start from scratch and the property owner is not
>> contributing as he “Doesn’t make enough money from it”.
>>
>>
>>
>> Our paypal address is pa...@pdmnet.net
>>
>>
>>
>> Paul
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
>> *Sent:* Friday, September 15, 2017 12:56 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Pauls cashflow with afmug
>>
>>
>>
>> Last update btw, was about 1800 bucks a year without support.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sep 14, 2017 11:30 PM, "Steve Jones" 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Its been a bit since a benefit drive for the list. Current situations
>> with weather and all might indicate a need for an afmug influx again. My
>> donations come out of my personal pockets. Im personally rich in spirit,
>> poor in cash. But can we get the paypal address back up so right now that
>> cashflow isnt a concern?
>>
>>
>>
>
>



-- 

Adair Winter
VP, Network Operations / Co-Owner
Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071 <(806)%20316-5071>
C: 806.231.7180 <(806)%20231-7180>
http://www.amarillowireless.net

Re: [AFMUG] FM radio colocation interference?

[Adair Winter]

We colo on a tower with three fm's on it. Double shielded cable and good
grounding. Never had a problem..

On Sep 16, 2017 1:13 PM, "Jon Langeler"  wrote:

> Theres a potentially new FM radio tenant wanting to colocate on a tower we
> are already on. We're predicting there is absolutely no way this will work
> with our 100BT and 1000BT Ethernet links.
>
> He anyone collocated with FM radio and 'it worked '?
>
>
> Jon Langeler
> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] FM radio colocation interference?

[Jon Langeler]

50' difference and frequency of 99.5mhz

I don't see how 100BT could possibly work 

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.


> On Sep 16, 2017, at 3:26 PM, Sean Heskett  wrote:
> 
> Depends on how close they are to your APs and how much power.
> 
> You can Use fiber or run all cat5 in liquidtight (with the metal armor) all 
> the way to the radio.
> 
> -Sean
> 
> 
>> On Sat, Sep 16, 2017 at 1:13 PM Jon Langeler  
>> wrote:
>> Theres a potentially new FM radio tenant wanting to colocate on a tower we 
>> are already on. We're predicting there is absolutely no way this will work 
>> with our 100BT and 1000BT Ethernet links.
>> 
>> He anyone collocated with FM radio and 'it worked '?
>> 
>> 
>> Jon Langeler
>> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
>> 

Re: [AFMUG] FM radio colocation interference?

[Sean Heskett]

Depends on how close they are to your APs and how much power.

You can Use fiber or run all cat5 in liquidtight (with the metal armor) all
the way to the radio.

-Sean


On Sat, Sep 16, 2017 at 1:13 PM Jon Langeler 
wrote:

> Theres a potentially new FM radio tenant wanting to colocate on a tower we
> are already on. We're predicting there is absolutely no way this will work
> with our 100BT and 1000BT Ethernet links.
>
> He anyone collocated with FM radio and 'it worked '?
>
>
> Jon Langeler
> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
>
>

[AFMUG] FM radio colocation interference?

[Jon Langeler]

Theres a potentially new FM radio tenant wanting to colocate on a tower we are 
already on. We're predicting there is absolutely no way this will work with our 
100BT and 1000BT Ethernet links. 

He anyone collocated with FM radio and 'it worked '?


Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.

Re: [AFMUG] Pauls cashflow with afmug

[chuck]

Swap #2 and #3
And the split was between Wireless Beehive/Beehive Telephone and Wireless 
Beehive Mfg.  

Later I mothballed Wireless Beehive Mfg as McCown tech owned all the equipment 
and intellectual property.  

The legal battle has entered its fourth year.  Wheee!

From: Colin Stanners 
Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2017 10:15 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pauls cashflow with afmug

The AFMUG list has travelled through at least 4 hosts: 

1) Part-15.org, until Michael Anderson's memorable "I QUIT" and pulling the 
plug on the server...
2) Wireless Beehive, until the unfortunate split with Beehive Mfg/McCown Tech
3) WISPA, until some discussions about list sponsorship/content control?
4) PDMnet, as Paul offered their support to simplify the above


It's safe to say PDMnet will be around and supporting AFMUG for a long time, 
however many are pitching in to keep their accountants happy about it too.


On Sep 16, 2017 10:01 AM, "Adair Winter"  wrote:

  I guess I'm the odd ball out, what are we donating to/for?

  On Sat, Sep 16, 2017 at 9:37 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

I ante’d up too, start dealing.  

From: Jeremy 
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 9:08 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pauls cashflow with afmug

Just sent you $100 (cyber-surplus)

On Fri, Sep 15, 2017 at 6:46 AM, Paul McCall  wrote:

  Thanks Steve,  



  I was thinking of that also.  It’s actually more than that, we kept the 
support only because there wasn’t a decent pay per incident plan with anything 
that added value to solving a problem.



  So, its around $ 200 per month.  Last time, we got in $ 950 
(approximately).  I don’t mind a difficiency (meaning PDMNet pays a decent part 
of it). And, we did it the first 2 years fully bearing costs.



  We really don’t mind doing this.  I know there was a discussion last time 
about options.  My simple statement is “It works great” one less thing to deal 
with, yet getting good results.



  Any contributions are certainly welcome, especially at this time.  We 
have heavy losses with customer gear and recovery costs.  The largest part of 
our coverage area got 100mph+ gusts.  A very large tree came apart (probably a 
tornado) and blew that and a bunch of other stuff into a Rohn 25G 150ft. and 
brought it down.  Trashed everything on the tower also. So, there is a $ 15K 
hit to get a new one up (Rohn 45G)  and they just got the land cleared 
yesterday,  trying to get new foundation work done.  



  It was a tower site that we acquired and the foundations turned out to be 
substandard, so we have to start from scratch and the property owner is not 
contributing as he “Doesn’t make enough money from it”.



  Our paypal address is pa...@pdmnet.net



  Paul



  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
  Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 12:56 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pauls cashflow with afmug



  Last update btw, was about 1800 bucks a year without support.



  On Sep 14, 2017 11:30 PM, "Steve Jones"  wrote:

Its been a bit since a benefit drive for the list. Current situations 
with weather and all might indicate a need for an afmug influx again. My 
donations come out of my personal pockets. Im personally rich in spirit, poor 
in cash. But can we get the paypal address back up so right now that cashflow 
isnt a concern?








  -- 

  Adair Winter
  VP, Network Operations / Co-Owner
  Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071
  C: 806.231.7180
  http://www.amarillowireless.net

Re: [AFMUG] Pauls cashflow with afmug

[Mathew Howard]

Yup, Paul posted it earlier in this thread

"Our paypal address is pa...@pdmnet.net"

On Sep 16, 2017 11:44 AM, "Rory Conaway"  wrote:

> Do we still have the option for paypal?
>
>
>
> Rory
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Colin Stanners
> *Sent:* Saturday, September 16, 2017 9:16 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Pauls cashflow with afmug
>
>
>
> The AFMUG list has travelled through at least 4 hosts:
>
>
>
> 1) Part-15.org, until Michael Anderson's memorable "I QUIT" and pulling
> the plug on the server...
>
> 2) Wireless Beehive, until the unfortunate split with Beehive Mfg/McCown
> Tech
>
> 3) WISPA, until some discussions about list sponsorship/content control?
>
> 4) PDMnet, as Paul offered their support to simplify the above
>
>
>
>
>
> It's safe to say PDMnet will be around and supporting AFMUG for a long
> time, however many are pitching in to keep their accountants happy about it
> too.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sep 16, 2017 10:01 AM, "Adair Winter" 
> wrote:
>
> I guess I'm the odd ball out, what are we donating to/for?
>
>
>
> On Sat, Sep 16, 2017 at 9:37 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
> I ante’d up too, start dealing.
>
>
>
> *From:* Jeremy
>
> *Sent:* Friday, September 15, 2017 9:08 PM
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Pauls cashflow with afmug
>
>
>
> Just sent you $100 (cyber-surplus)
>
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 15, 2017 at 6:46 AM, Paul McCall  wrote:
>
> Thanks Steve,
>
>
>
> I was thinking of that also.  It’s actually more than that, we kept the
> support only because there wasn’t a decent pay per incident plan with
> anything that added value to solving a problem.
>
>
>
> So, its around $ 200 per month.  Last time, we got in $ 950
> (approximately).  I don’t mind a difficiency (meaning PDMNet pays a decent
> part of it). And, we did it the first 2 years fully bearing costs.
>
>
>
> We really don’t mind doing this.  I know there was a discussion last time
> about options.  My simple statement is “It works great” one less thing to
> deal with, yet getting good results.
>
>
>
> Any contributions are certainly welcome, especially at this time.  We have
> heavy losses with customer gear and recovery costs.  The largest part of
> our coverage area got 100mph+ gusts.  A very large tree came apart
> (probably a tornado) and blew that and a bunch of other stuff into a Rohn
> 25G 150ft. and brought it down.  Trashed everything on the tower also. So,
> there is a $ 15K hit to get a new one up (Rohn 45G)  and they just got the
> land cleared yesterday,  trying to get new foundation work done.
>
>
>
> It was a tower site that we acquired and the foundations turned out to be
> substandard, so we have to start from scratch and the property owner is not
> contributing as he “Doesn’t make enough money from it”.
>
>
>
> Our paypal address is pa...@pdmnet.net
>
>
>
> Paul
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com ] *On
> Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Friday, September 15, 2017 12:56 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Pauls cashflow with afmug
>
>
>
> Last update btw, was about 1800 bucks a year without support.
>
>
>
> On Sep 14, 2017 11:30 PM, "Steve Jones"  wrote:
>
> Its been a bit since a benefit drive for the list. Current situations with
> weather and all might indicate a need for an afmug influx again. My
> donations come out of my personal pockets. Im personally rich in spirit,
> poor in cash. But can we get the paypal address back up so right now that
> cashflow isnt a concern?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Adair Winter
> VP, Network Operations / Co-Owner
> Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071 <(806)%20316-5071>
> C: 806.231.7180 <(806)%20231-7180>
> http://www.amarillowireless.net
> 
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Pauls cashflow with afmug

[Rory Conaway]

Do we still have the option for paypal?

Rory

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Colin Stanners
Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2017 9:16 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pauls cashflow with afmug

The AFMUG list has travelled through at least 4 hosts:

1) Part-15.org, until Michael Anderson's memorable "I QUIT" and pulling the 
plug on the server...
2) Wireless Beehive, until the unfortunate split with Beehive Mfg/McCown Tech
3) WISPA, until some discussions about list sponsorship/content control?
4) PDMnet, as Paul offered their support to simplify the above


It's safe to say PDMnet will be around and supporting AFMUG for a long time, 
however many are pitching in to keep their accountants happy about it too.


On Sep 16, 2017 10:01 AM, "Adair Winter" 
> wrote:
I guess I'm the odd ball out, what are we donating to/for?

On Sat, Sep 16, 2017 at 9:37 AM, Chuck McCown 
> wrote:
I ante’d up too, start dealing.

From: Jeremy
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 9:08 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pauls cashflow with afmug

Just sent you $100 (cyber-surplus)

On Fri, Sep 15, 2017 at 6:46 AM, Paul McCall 
> wrote:
Thanks Steve,

I was thinking of that also.  It’s actually more than that, we kept the support 
only because there wasn’t a decent pay per incident plan with anything that 
added value to solving a problem.

So, its around $ 200 per month.  Last time, we got in $ 950 (approximately).  I 
don’t mind a difficiency (meaning PDMNet pays a decent part of it). And, we did 
it the first 2 years fully bearing costs.

We really don’t mind doing this.  I know there was a discussion last time about 
options.  My simple statement is “It works great” one less thing to deal with, 
yet getting good results.

Any contributions are certainly welcome, especially at this time.  We have 
heavy losses with customer gear and recovery costs.  The largest part of our 
coverage area got 100mph+ gusts.  A very large tree came apart (probably a 
tornado) and blew that and a bunch of other stuff into a Rohn 25G 150ft. and 
brought it down.  Trashed everything on the tower also. So, there is a $ 15K 
hit to get a new one up (Rohn 45G)  and they just got the land cleared 
yesterday,  trying to get new foundation work done.

It was a tower site that we acquired and the foundations turned out to be 
substandard, so we have to start from scratch and the property owner is not 
contributing as he “Doesn’t make enough money from it”.

Our paypal address is pa...@pdmnet.net

Paul

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 12:56 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pauls cashflow with afmug

Last update btw, was about 1800 bucks a year without support.

On Sep 14, 2017 11:30 PM, "Steve Jones" 
> wrote:
Its been a bit since a benefit drive for the list. Current situations with 
weather and all might indicate a need for an afmug influx again. My donations 
come out of my personal pockets. Im personally rich in spirit, poor in cash. 
But can we get the paypal address back up so right now that cashflow isnt a 
concern?





--

Adair Winter
VP, Network Operations / Co-Owner
Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071
C: 806.231.7180
http://www.amarillowireless.net
[https://docs.google.com/a/amarillowireless.net/uc?id=0B-KeaiwIRBHEQl9leFFvVjZuWmc=download]

Re: [AFMUG] OT: PC upgrade

[Josh Reynolds]

They're amazing. I have one in my laptop. I just want the price to go down
a bit more before I upgrade again :(

On Sep 16, 2017 11:28 AM, "Joe Novak"  wrote:

> I think coffee lake or gen 8 would be better then the 7700k.. it seems
> like the i7-8700 is going to be price competive with the 7700k with more
> cores. I'm fairly sure it's suppose to drop very very soon.
>
> Shitty source but I found it quick on my phone.
>
> http://www.trustedreviews.com/news/intel-8th-gen-core-specs-
> technology-explained-2952599
>
> You can't go wrong with the nvme. It's a huge boost.. from 100megabytes
> read write to gigabytes per second read write. The Samsung nvme are top of
> their class.. I hope the price drops again this fall because I want one.
> They seem to do a yearly refresh and sales seem to come up around black
> Friday.
>
>
> I did a refresh this year with a Ryzen 1700. I'm not disappointed. I hope
> AMD keeps pushing hard into the market again. If next year's refresh breaks
> into higher clock speeds I'll be very happy. I've got mine running at
> 3.7ghz on air easily.
>
> Joe
>
>
>
> On Sep 16, 2017 10:03 AM, "George Skorup" 
> wrote:
>
> So I'm still running on my "vintage" i7-920/X58 system at home. I don't do
> a lot of gaming. Maybe BF4 once in a while. Got 6GB of RAM and a WD SATA3
> spinner in it and it's fine for the most part.
>
> Upgrade right now to an i7-7700/Z270 (which is twice as fast as the
> 920/X58 and uses 1/3 of the power), with 16GB of RAM and an NVMe SSD on top
> should fly. Or wait for the i7/i9 X-series and X299 chipset to mature a bit
> more. Kinda leaning towards waiting a bit since the the X-series has much
> better multi-core performance. 7700 vs 7800X would be something like 15-20%
> better, just not sure it's worth it. All of the extra PCIe lanes w/ the
> X-series is kinda meh to me since I don't plan on running more than one
> PCIe GPU. Plus the 7800X is back up to using the power of the 920. But
> quad-core 7700 vs 6-core 7800X w/ better multi-core and upgrade to i9 later.
>
> I'm torn.
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: PC upgrade

[Josh Reynolds]

SSD is the biggest performance gain I've seen in two decades.

On Sep 16, 2017 11:00 AM, "Bill Prince"  wrote:

> IMO, the performance gains from a faster processor have been in the too
> little gain category for a number of years. If old processor X can do an
> operation in 1 ms, and the twice as fast processor Y can do the same
> operation in 0.5 ms, are you going to notice the difference? Meh.
>
> OTOH, if your 6GB of memory means you are swapping 100 times/sec, going to
> 16 GB would eliminate all those swaps. Going to mo' memory is almost always
> a winner, and cost effective too.
>
> For the icing on the cake, going full SSD (or maybe one of those new
> hybrid jobs from Seagate) would reduce the time to snatch something from
> storage from hundreds of milliseconds to under a dozen. Yeah, you would
> notice that big time.
>
> The big thing on the horizon is storage class memory; where you won't need
> an SSD or rotating memory at all. This will change everything.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 9/16/2017 8:02 AM, George Skorup wrote:
>
>> So I'm still running on my "vintage" i7-920/X58 system at home. I don't
>> do a lot of gaming. Maybe BF4 once in a while. Got 6GB of RAM and a WD
>> SATA3 spinner in it and it's fine for the most part.
>>
>> Upgrade right now to an i7-7700/Z270 (which is twice as fast as the
>> 920/X58 and uses 1/3 of the power), with 16GB of RAM and an NVMe SSD on top
>> should fly. Or wait for the i7/i9 X-series and X299 chipset to mature a bit
>> more. Kinda leaning towards waiting a bit since the the X-series has much
>> better multi-core performance. 7700 vs 7800X would be something like 15-20%
>> better, just not sure it's worth it. All of the extra PCIe lanes w/ the
>> X-series is kinda meh to me since I don't plan on running more than one
>> PCIe GPU. Plus the 7800X is back up to using the power of the 920. But
>> quad-core 7700 vs 6-core 7800X w/ better multi-core and upgrade to i9 later.
>>
>> I'm torn.
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: PC upgrade

[Joe Novak]

I think coffee lake or gen 8 would be better then the 7700k.. it seems like
the i7-8700 is going to be price competive with the 7700k with more cores.
I'm fairly sure it's suppose to drop very very soon.

Shitty source but I found it quick on my phone.

http://www.trustedreviews.com/news/intel-8th-gen-core-specs-technology-explained-2952599

You can't go wrong with the nvme. It's a huge boost.. from 100megabytes
read write to gigabytes per second read write. The Samsung nvme are top of
their class.. I hope the price drops again this fall because I want one.
They seem to do a yearly refresh and sales seem to come up around black
Friday.


I did a refresh this year with a Ryzen 1700. I'm not disappointed. I hope
AMD keeps pushing hard into the market again. If next year's refresh breaks
into higher clock speeds I'll be very happy. I've got mine running at
3.7ghz on air easily.

Joe



On Sep 16, 2017 10:03 AM, "George Skorup"  wrote:

So I'm still running on my "vintage" i7-920/X58 system at home. I don't do
a lot of gaming. Maybe BF4 once in a while. Got 6GB of RAM and a WD SATA3
spinner in it and it's fine for the most part.

Upgrade right now to an i7-7700/Z270 (which is twice as fast as the 920/X58
and uses 1/3 of the power), with 16GB of RAM and an NVMe SSD on top should
fly. Or wait for the i7/i9 X-series and X299 chipset to mature a bit more.
Kinda leaning towards waiting a bit since the the X-series has much better
multi-core performance. 7700 vs 7800X would be something like 15-20%
better, just not sure it's worth it. All of the extra PCIe lanes w/ the
X-series is kinda meh to me since I don't plan on running more than one
PCIe GPU. Plus the 7800X is back up to using the power of the 920. But
quad-core 7700 vs 6-core 7800X w/ better multi-core and upgrade to i9 later.

I'm torn.

Re: [AFMUG] Pauls cashflow with afmug

[Colin Stanners]

The AFMUG list has travelled through at least 4 hosts:

1) Part-15.org, until Michael Anderson's memorable "I QUIT" and pulling the
plug on the server...
2) Wireless Beehive, until the unfortunate split with Beehive Mfg/McCown
Tech
3) WISPA, until some discussions about list sponsorship/content control?
4) PDMnet, as Paul offered their support to simplify the above


It's safe to say PDMnet will be around and supporting AFMUG for a long
time, however many are pitching in to keep their accountants happy about it
too.


On Sep 16, 2017 10:01 AM, "Adair Winter" 
wrote:

I guess I'm the odd ball out, what are we donating to/for?

On Sat, Sep 16, 2017 at 9:37 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> I ante’d up too, start dealing.
>
> *From:* Jeremy
> *Sent:* Friday, September 15, 2017 9:08 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Pauls cashflow with afmug
>
> Just sent you $100 (cyber-surplus)
>
> On Fri, Sep 15, 2017 at 6:46 AM, Paul McCall  wrote:
>
>> Thanks Steve,
>>
>>
>>
>> I was thinking of that also.  It’s actually more than that, we kept the
>> support only because there wasn’t a decent pay per incident plan with
>> anything that added value to solving a problem.
>>
>>
>>
>> So, its around $ 200 per month.  Last time, we got in $ 950
>> (approximately).  I don’t mind a difficiency (meaning PDMNet pays a decent
>> part of it). And, we did it the first 2 years fully bearing costs.
>>
>>
>>
>> We really don’t mind doing this.  I know there was a discussion last time
>> about options.  My simple statement is “It works great” one less thing to
>> deal with, yet getting good results.
>>
>>
>>
>> Any contributions are certainly welcome, especially at this time.  We
>> have heavy losses with customer gear and recovery costs.  The largest part
>> of our coverage area got 100mph+ gusts.  A very large tree came apart
>> (probably a tornado) and blew that and a bunch of other stuff into a Rohn
>> 25G 150ft. and brought it down.  Trashed everything on the tower also. So,
>> there is a $ 15K hit to get a new one up (Rohn 45G)  and they just got the
>> land cleared yesterday,  trying to get new foundation work done.
>>
>>
>>
>> It was a tower site that we acquired and the foundations turned out to be
>> substandard, so we have to start from scratch and the property owner is not
>> contributing as he “Doesn’t make enough money from it”.
>>
>>
>>
>> Our paypal address is pa...@pdmnet.net
>>
>>
>>
>> Paul
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
>> *Sent:* Friday, September 15, 2017 12:56 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Pauls cashflow with afmug
>>
>>
>>
>> Last update btw, was about 1800 bucks a year without support.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sep 14, 2017 11:30 PM, "Steve Jones" 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Its been a bit since a benefit drive for the list. Current situations
>> with weather and all might indicate a need for an afmug influx again. My
>> donations come out of my personal pockets. Im personally rich in spirit,
>> poor in cash. But can we get the paypal address back up so right now that
>> cashflow isnt a concern?
>>
>>
>>
>
>



-- 

Adair Winter
VP, Network Operations / Co-Owner
Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071 <(806)%20316-5071>
C: 806.231.7180 <(806)%20231-7180>
http://www.amarillowireless.net

Re: [AFMUG] OT: PC upgrade

[Bill Prince]

IMO, the performance gains from a faster processor have been in the too 
little gain category for a number of years. If old processor X can do an 
operation in 1 ms, and the twice as fast processor Y can do the same 
operation in 0.5 ms, are you going to notice the difference? Meh.


OTOH, if your 6GB of memory means you are swapping 100 times/sec, going 
to 16 GB would eliminate all those swaps. Going to mo' memory is almost 
always a winner, and cost effective too.


For the icing on the cake, going full SSD (or maybe one of those new 
hybrid jobs from Seagate) would reduce the time to snatch something from 
storage from hundreds of milliseconds to under a dozen. Yeah, you would 
notice that big time.


The big thing on the horizon is storage class memory; where you won't 
need an SSD or rotating memory at all. This will change everything.



bp


On 9/16/2017 8:02 AM, George Skorup wrote:
So I'm still running on my "vintage" i7-920/X58 system at home. I 
don't do a lot of gaming. Maybe BF4 once in a while. Got 6GB of RAM 
and a WD SATA3 spinner in it and it's fine for the most part.


Upgrade right now to an i7-7700/Z270 (which is twice as fast as the 
920/X58 and uses 1/3 of the power), with 16GB of RAM and an NVMe SSD 
on top should fly. Or wait for the i7/i9 X-series and X299 chipset to 
mature a bit more. Kinda leaning towards waiting a bit since the the 
X-series has much better multi-core performance. 7700 vs 7800X would 
be something like 15-20% better, just not sure it's worth it. All of 
the extra PCIe lanes w/ the X-series is kinda meh to me since I don't 
plan on running more than one PCIe GPU. Plus the 7800X is back up to 
using the power of the 920. But quad-core 7700 vs 6-core 7800X w/ 
better multi-core and upgrade to i9 later.


I'm torn.

Re: [AFMUG] Pauls cashflow with afmug

[Mike Hammett]

Operating the mailing list 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Adair Winter"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2017 10:01:10 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pauls cashflow with afmug 


I guess I'm the odd ball out, what are we donating to/for? 


On Sat, Sep 16, 2017 at 9:37 AM, Chuck McCown < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote: 






I ante’d up too, start dealing. 




From: Jeremy 
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 9:08 PM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pauls cashflow with afmug 


Just sent you $100 (cyber-surplus) 


On Fri, Sep 15, 2017 at 6:46 AM, Paul McCall < pa...@pdmnet.net > wrote: 





Thanks Steve, 

I was thinking of that also. It’s actually more than that, we kept the support 
only because there wasn’t a decent pay per incident plan with anything that 
added value to solving a problem. 

So, its around $ 200 per month. Last time, we got in $ 950 (approximately). I 
don’t mind a difficiency (meaning PDMNet pays a decent part of it). And, we did 
it the first 2 years fully bearing costs. 

We really don’t mind doing this. I know there was a discussion last time about 
options. My simple statement is “It works great” one less thing to deal with, 
yet getting good results. 

Any contributions are certainly welcome, especially at this time. We have heavy 
losses with customer gear and recovery costs. The largest part of our coverage 
area got 100mph+ gusts. A very large tree came apart (probably a tornado) and 
blew that and a bunch of other stuff into a Rohn 25G 150ft. and brought it 
down. Trashed everything on the tower also. So, there is a $ 15K hit to get a 
new one up (Rohn 45G) and they just got the land cleared yesterday, trying to 
get new foundation work done. 

It was a tower site that we acquired and the foundations turned out to be 
substandard, so we have to start from scratch and the property owner is not 
contributing as he “Doesn’t make enough money from it”. 

Our paypal address is pa...@pdmnet.net 

Paul 

From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Steve Jones 
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 12:56 AM 
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pauls cashflow with afmug 


Last update btw, was about 1800 bucks a year without support. 



On Sep 14, 2017 11:30 PM, "Steve Jones" < thatoneguyst...@gmail.com > wrote: 



Its been a bit since a benefit drive for the list. Current situations with 
weather and all might indicate a need for an afmug influx again. My donations 
come out of my personal pockets. Im personally rich in spirit, poor in cash. 
But can we get the paypal address back up so right now that cashflow isnt a 
concern? 











-- 





Adair Winter 
VP, Network Operations / Co-Owner 
Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071 
C: 806.231.7180 
http://www.amarillowireless.net 

Re: [AFMUG] Pauls cashflow with afmug

[Robert]

Supporting AFMUG, send bitcoin please...

On 9/16/17 8:01 AM, Adair Winter wrote:

I guess I'm the odd ball out, what are we donating to/for?

On Sat, Sep 16, 2017 at 9:37 AM, Chuck McCown > wrote:


I ante’d up too, start dealing.
*From:* Jeremy
*Sent:* Friday, September 15, 2017 9:08 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Pauls cashflow with afmug
Just sent you $100 (cyber-surplus)
On Fri, Sep 15, 2017 at 6:46 AM, Paul McCall  wrote:

Thanks Steve, 



I was thinking of that also.  It’s actually more than that, we
kept the support only because there wasn’t a decent pay per
incident plan with anything that added value to solving a
problem.



So, its around $ 200 per month.  Last time, we got in $ 950
(approximately).  I don’t mind a difficiency (meaning PDMNet
pays a decent part of it). And, we did it the first 2 years
fully bearing costs.



We really don’t mind doing this.  I know there was a discussion
last time about options.  My simple statement is “It works
great” one less thing to deal with, yet getting good results.



Any contributions are certainly welcome, especially at this
time.  We have heavy losses with customer gear and recovery
costs. The largest part of our coverage area got 100mph+ gusts. 
A very large tree came apart (probably a tornado) and blew that

and a bunch of other stuff into a Rohn 25G 150ft. and brought it
down.  Trashed everything on the tower also. So, there is a $
15K hit to get a new one up (Rohn 45G)  and they just got the
land cleared yesterday,  trying to get new foundation work done.




It was a tower site that we acquired and the foundations turned
out to be substandard, so we have to start from scratch and the
property owner is not contributing as he “Doesn’t make enough
money from it”.



Our paypal address is paulm@pdmnet.net



Paul



*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
*Sent:* Friday, September 15, 2017 12:56 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Pauls cashflow with afmug



Last update btw, was about 1800 bucks a year without support.



On Sep 14, 2017 11:30 PM, "Steve Jones"
 wrote:

Its been a bit since a benefit drive for the list. Current
situations with weather and all might indicate a need for an
afmug influx again. My donations come out of my personal
pockets. Im personally rich in spirit, poor in cash. But can
we get the paypal address back up so right now that cashflow
isnt a concern?






--

Adair Winter
VP, Network Operations / Co-Owner
Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071
C: 806.231.7180
http://www.amarillowireless.net 

[AFMUG] OT: PC upgrade

[George Skorup]

So I'm still running on my "vintage" i7-920/X58 system at home. I don't 
do a lot of gaming. Maybe BF4 once in a while. Got 6GB of RAM and a WD 
SATA3 spinner in it and it's fine for the most part.


Upgrade right now to an i7-7700/Z270 (which is twice as fast as the 
920/X58 and uses 1/3 of the power), with 16GB of RAM and an NVMe SSD on 
top should fly. Or wait for the i7/i9 X-series and X299 chipset to 
mature a bit more. Kinda leaning towards waiting a bit since the the 
X-series has much better multi-core performance. 7700 vs 7800X would be 
something like 15-20% better, just not sure it's worth it. All of the 
extra PCIe lanes w/ the X-series is kinda meh to me since I don't plan 
on running more than one PCIe GPU. Plus the 7800X is back up to using 
the power of the 920. But quad-core 7700 vs 6-core 7800X w/ better 
multi-core and upgrade to i9 later.


I'm torn.

Re: [AFMUG] Pauls cashflow with afmug

[Adair Winter]

I guess I'm the odd ball out, what are we donating to/for?

On Sat, Sep 16, 2017 at 9:37 AM, Chuck McCown  wrote:

> I ante’d up too, start dealing.
>
> *From:* Jeremy
> *Sent:* Friday, September 15, 2017 9:08 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Pauls cashflow with afmug
>
> Just sent you $100 (cyber-surplus)
>
> On Fri, Sep 15, 2017 at 6:46 AM, Paul McCall  wrote:
>
>> Thanks Steve,
>>
>>
>>
>> I was thinking of that also.  It’s actually more than that, we kept the
>> support only because there wasn’t a decent pay per incident plan with
>> anything that added value to solving a problem.
>>
>>
>>
>> So, its around $ 200 per month.  Last time, we got in $ 950
>> (approximately).  I don’t mind a difficiency (meaning PDMNet pays a decent
>> part of it). And, we did it the first 2 years fully bearing costs.
>>
>>
>>
>> We really don’t mind doing this.  I know there was a discussion last time
>> about options.  My simple statement is “It works great” one less thing to
>> deal with, yet getting good results.
>>
>>
>>
>> Any contributions are certainly welcome, especially at this time.  We
>> have heavy losses with customer gear and recovery costs.  The largest part
>> of our coverage area got 100mph+ gusts.  A very large tree came apart
>> (probably a tornado) and blew that and a bunch of other stuff into a Rohn
>> 25G 150ft. and brought it down.  Trashed everything on the tower also. So,
>> there is a $ 15K hit to get a new one up (Rohn 45G)  and they just got the
>> land cleared yesterday,  trying to get new foundation work done.
>>
>>
>>
>> It was a tower site that we acquired and the foundations turned out to be
>> substandard, so we have to start from scratch and the property owner is not
>> contributing as he “Doesn’t make enough money from it”.
>>
>>
>>
>> Our paypal address is pa...@pdmnet.net
>>
>>
>>
>> Paul
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
>> *Sent:* Friday, September 15, 2017 12:56 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Pauls cashflow with afmug
>>
>>
>>
>> Last update btw, was about 1800 bucks a year without support.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sep 14, 2017 11:30 PM, "Steve Jones" 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Its been a bit since a benefit drive for the list. Current situations
>> with weather and all might indicate a need for an afmug influx again. My
>> donations come out of my personal pockets. Im personally rich in spirit,
>> poor in cash. But can we get the paypal address back up so right now that
>> cashflow isnt a concern?
>>
>>
>>
>
>



-- 

Adair Winter
VP, Network Operations / Co-Owner
Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071
C: 806.231.7180
http://www.amarillowireless.net

Re: [AFMUG] Pauls cashflow with afmug

[Colin Stanners]

Sending you some funny-coloured money Paul. Thank you for your support of
this group, and good luck in the recovery.

On Fri, Sep 15, 2017 at 7:46 AM, Paul McCall  wrote:

> Thanks Steve,
>
>
>
> I was thinking of that also.  It’s actually more than that, we kept the
> support only because there wasn’t a decent pay per incident plan with
> anything that added value to solving a problem.
>
>
>
> So, its around $ 200 per month.  Last time, we got in $ 950
> (approximately).  I don’t mind a difficiency (meaning PDMNet pays a decent
> part of it). And, we did it the first 2 years fully bearing costs.
>
>
>
> We really don’t mind doing this.  I know there was a discussion last time
> about options.  My simple statement is “It works great” one less thing to
> deal with, yet getting good results.
>
>
>
> Any contributions are certainly welcome, especially at this time.  We have
> heavy losses with customer gear and recovery costs.  The largest part of
> our coverage area got 100mph+ gusts.  A very large tree came apart
> (probably a tornado) and blew that and a bunch of other stuff into a Rohn
> 25G 150ft. and brought it down.  Trashed everything on the tower also. So,
> there is a $ 15K hit to get a new one up (Rohn 45G)  and they just got the
> land cleared yesterday,  trying to get new foundation work done.
>
>
>
> It was a tower site that we acquired and the foundations turned out to be
> substandard, so we have to start from scratch and the property owner is not
> contributing as he “Doesn’t make enough money from it”.
>
>
>
> Our paypal address is pa...@pdmnet.net
>
>
>
> Paul
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Friday, September 15, 2017 12:56 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Pauls cashflow with afmug
>
>
>
> Last update btw, was about 1800 bucks a year without support.
>
>
>
> On Sep 14, 2017 11:30 PM, "Steve Jones"  wrote:
>
> Its been a bit since a benefit drive for the list. Current situations with
> weather and all might indicate a need for an afmug influx again. My
> donations come out of my personal pockets. Im personally rich in spirit,
> poor in cash. But can we get the paypal address back up so right now that
> cashflow isnt a concern?
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Pauls cashflow with afmug

[Chuck McCown]

I ante’d up too, start dealing.  

From: Jeremy 
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 9:08 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pauls cashflow with afmug

Just sent you $100 (cyber-surplus)

On Fri, Sep 15, 2017 at 6:46 AM, Paul McCall  wrote:

  Thanks Steve,  



  I was thinking of that also.  It’s actually more than that, we kept the 
support only because there wasn’t a decent pay per incident plan with anything 
that added value to solving a problem.



  So, its around $ 200 per month.  Last time, we got in $ 950 (approximately).  
I don’t mind a difficiency (meaning PDMNet pays a decent part of it). And, we 
did it the first 2 years fully bearing costs.



  We really don’t mind doing this.  I know there was a discussion last time 
about options.  My simple statement is “It works great” one less thing to deal 
with, yet getting good results.



  Any contributions are certainly welcome, especially at this time.  We have 
heavy losses with customer gear and recovery costs.  The largest part of our 
coverage area got 100mph+ gusts.  A very large tree came apart (probably a 
tornado) and blew that and a bunch of other stuff into a Rohn 25G 150ft. and 
brought it down.  Trashed everything on the tower also. So, there is a $ 15K 
hit to get a new one up (Rohn 45G)  and they just got the land cleared 
yesterday,  trying to get new foundation work done.  



  It was a tower site that we acquired and the foundations turned out to be 
substandard, so we have to start from scratch and the property owner is not 
contributing as he “Doesn’t make enough money from it”.



  Our paypal address is pa...@pdmnet.net



  Paul



  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
  Sent: Friday, September 15, 2017 12:56 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Pauls cashflow with afmug



  Last update btw, was about 1800 bucks a year without support.



  On Sep 14, 2017 11:30 PM, "Steve Jones"  wrote:

Its been a bit since a benefit drive for the list. Current situations with 
weather and all might indicate a need for an afmug influx again. My donations 
come out of my personal pockets. Im personally rich in spirit, poor in cash. 
But can we get the paypal address back up so right now that cashflow isnt a 
concern?