Re: [AFMUG] OT TSLA

[Josh Luthman]

I saw an article headline that said the Model 3 was pushed back a quarter.
I suspect something to do with rebuilding an entire power grid in a
territory with 0 power otherwise.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Nov 1, 2017 at 11:46 PM, Chuck Hogg  wrote:

> Just got an email saying my model 3 shipment is delayed again.
>
> Regards,
> Chuck
>
> On Wed, Nov 1, 2017 at 6:13 PM,  wrote:
>
>> If it drops below 300, might be time to buy.  250 for certain.
>>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT TSLA

[Chuck Hogg]

Just got an email saying my model 3 shipment is delayed again.

Regards,
Chuck

On Wed, Nov 1, 2017 at 6:13 PM,  wrote:

> If it drops below 300, might be time to buy.  250 for certain.
>

Re: [AFMUG] Drop termination

[Carl Peterson]

We used to buy direct from Clearfield but are going through Power & Tel
now.  Toneable 10/6 runs about .32 per foot.  You don't need to use CF duct
but there price is about the same for toneable.  For just duct, I can get
it for about .18 x foot.

On Wed, Nov 1, 2017 at 7:49 PM, Jason McKemie <
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:

> Where are you sourcing your Clearfield stuff? I was interested in their
> customer drop products. The microduct was pretty expensive from what I
> recall, however.
>
> On Wednesday, November 1, 2017, Carl Peterson 
> wrote:
>
>> "I priced out some Clearfield cassettes and a rack mount for them.
>> These guys are pretty proud of their stuff.  I'll grant that it does seem
>> to be nicely designed, however at 10x the price I'll just do it the way I
>> have been."
>>
>> I've gone middle of the road with it.  Some of their pricing just doesn't
>> make sense to me.  A cassette is nice but when I can import LGX patch and
>> splice modules for $10 and a 12 strand SC/APC pigtail for it for another
>> $10 it doesn't make any sense to me so I'm still building that out my way.
>> On other stuff, like drops where I can cut out a lot of labor, it makes
>> more sense, especially when I look at things like restorability.  When
>> someone cuts a 10/6 microduct drop, the tech can just throw a DB coupler on
>> it, pop a new reel in the YourX tap, and pull the line back through to the
>> terminal.
>>
>


-- 

Carl Peterson

*PORT NETWORKS*

401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553

Baltimore, MD 21202

(410) 637-3707

Re: [AFMUG] Drop termination

[Jason McKemie]

Where are you sourcing your Clearfield stuff? I was interested in their
customer drop products. The microduct was pretty expensive from what I
recall, however.

On Wednesday, November 1, 2017, Carl Peterson 
wrote:

> "I priced out some Clearfield cassettes and a rack mount for them.  These
> guys are pretty proud of their stuff.  I'll grant that it does seem to be
> nicely designed, however at 10x the price I'll just do it the way I have
> been."
>
> I've gone middle of the road with it.  Some of their pricing just doesn't
> make sense to me.  A cassette is nice but when I can import LGX patch and
> splice modules for $10 and a 12 strand SC/APC pigtail for it for another
> $10 it doesn't make any sense to me so I'm still building that out my way.
> On other stuff, like drops where I can cut out a lot of labor, it makes
> more sense, especially when I look at things like restorability.  When
> someone cuts a 10/6 microduct drop, the tech can just throw a DB coupler on
> it, pop a new reel in the YourX tap, and pull the line back through to the
> terminal.
>

Re: [AFMUG] Drop termination

[Carl Peterson]

"I priced out some Clearfield cassettes and a rack mount for them.  These
guys are pretty proud of their stuff.  I'll grant that it does seem to be
nicely designed, however at 10x the price I'll just do it the way I have
been."

I've gone middle of the road with it.  Some of their pricing just doesn't
make sense to me.  A cassette is nice but when I can import LGX patch and
splice modules for $10 and a 12 strand SC/APC pigtail for it for another
$10 it doesn't make any sense to me so I'm still building that out my way.
On other stuff, like drops where I can cut out a lot of labor, it makes
more sense, especially when I look at things like restorability.  When
someone cuts a 10/6 microduct drop, the tech can just throw a DB coupler on
it, pop a new reel in the YourX tap, and pull the line back through to the
terminal.

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Rocket 2AC Prism

[Mathew Howard]

Sure... it just might not work very well :P

They do have the airprism filtering, which should help with that kind of
thing, but I have yet to see them make a huge difference. There haven't
been any cases where we've switched from a plain old Rocket to an AC, and
suddenly everything works perfectly... most of the time, everything just
seems to work slightly better.

I'd say running two sectors and an omni would probably work better than it
will with a normal Rocket M2, but whether or not it's going to work well is
going to depend on the environment. But... why two sectors and an omni
instead of just using three sectors?

On Wed, Nov 1, 2017 at 4:55 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller 
wrote:

>
> I'll chime in here.  Can I run two sectors and an omni without GPS reuse
> using these? :)
>
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Mathew Howard 
> *To:* af 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 1, 2017 3:40 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Rocket 2AC Prism
>
> Yup, we've got a few dozen of them up. Anything in particular you want to
> know?
>
> On Wed, Nov 1, 2017 at 2:50 PM, Tim Reichhart  net> wrote:
>
>> I do what you wanna know paul?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> -Original Message-
>> From: "Paul McCall" 
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Date: 11/01/17 02:20
>> Subject: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Rocket 2AC Prism
>>
>> Anybody have any real world experience with these yet?
>>
>>
>>
>> Paul McCall, President
>>
>> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
>>
>> 658 Old Dixie Highway
>> 
>>
>> Vero Beach, FL 32962
>> 
>>
>> 772-564-6800 <(772)%20564-6800>
>>
>> pa...@pdmnet.net
>>
>> www.pdmnet.com
>>
>> www.floridabroadband.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

[AFMUG] OT TSLA

[chuck]

If it drops below 300, might be time to buy.  250 for certain.  

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Rocket 2AC Prism

[CBB - Jay Fuller]

I'll chime in here.  Can I run two sectors and an omni without GPS reuse using 
these? :)

  - Original Message - 
  From: Mathew Howard 
  To: af 
  Sent: Wednesday, November 1, 2017 3:40 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Rocket 2AC Prism


  Yup, we've got a few dozen of them up. Anything in particular you want to 
know?



  On Wed, Nov 1, 2017 at 2:50 PM, Tim Reichhart 
 wrote:

I do what you wanna know paul?








--

  -Original Message-
  From: "Paul McCall" 
  To: af@afmug.com
  Date: 11/01/17 02:20
  Subject: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Rocket 2AC Prism


  Anybody have any real world experience with these yet?



  Paul McCall, President

  PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.

  658 Old Dixie Highway

  Vero Beach, FL 32962

  772-564-6800 

  pa...@pdmnet.net

  www.pdmnet.com

  www.floridabroadband.com

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Ethernet Port Part Number

[Colin Stanners]

Pmp450 SM... Unless Cambium changed something, grab a Cambium surge, it is
more expensive per port but that is two that you already had in stock.

On Nov 1, 2017 4:37 PM, "Matt"  wrote:

> Does anybody know the Digikey, Mouser or Jameco part number for
> replacement RJ45 port on Cambium PMP450 SM?  Standard 5ghz SM that can
> use reflector?  Have a few that are broke.
>
> Thanks.
>

[AFMUG] Cambium Ethernet Port Part Number

[Matt]

Does anybody know the Digikey, Mouser or Jameco part number for
replacement RJ45 port on Cambium PMP450 SM?  Standard 5ghz SM that can
use reflector?  Have a few that are broke.

Thanks.

Re: [AFMUG] WDM Stupid Question

[dmmoffett]

Oh interesting

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 1, 2017, at 4:14 PM, fiber...@mail.com wrote:

>> If I had four different colors of CWDM SFP modules, obviously I could use a 
>> CWDM Mux to connect all of them to the same fiber.  Would a 
>> 1x4 PLC splitter also work?  
>  No, because the CWDM SFP RX side is not wavelength selective. That's why you 
> use the demux to separate the wavelengths. 
> 
> Jared

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Rocket 2AC Prism

[Mathew Howard]

Yup, we've got a few dozen of them up. Anything in particular you want to
know?

On Wed, Nov 1, 2017 at 2:50 PM, Tim Reichhart <
timreichh...@hometowncable.net> wrote:

> I do what you wanna know paul?
>
>
>
>
> --
> -Original Message-
> From: "Paul McCall" 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Date: 11/01/17 02:20
> Subject: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Rocket 2AC Prism
>
> Anybody have any real world experience with these yet?
>
>
>
> Paul McCall, President
>
> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
>
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
> 
>
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
> 
>
> 772-564-6800 <(772)%20564-6800>
>
> pa...@pdmnet.net
>
> www.pdmnet.com
>
> www.floridabroadband.com
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Viable/buyable unlicensed 60GHz 1Gbps PtMP

[Jaime Solorza]

Rory is in Syscom magazine with Ignite stuff...

On Nov 1, 2017 10:46 AM,  wrote:

Not saying they have not published, just that I have not seen any
publications.  If there is a real world deployment with positive results
that can be verified, the vendors should not be bashful about crowing about
it.  They all know they are free to post white papers here.

*From:* Faisal Imtiaz
*Sent:* Wednesday, November 1, 2017 10:19 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Viable/buyable unlicensed 60GHz 1Gbps PtMP

Fair point Chuck..

But the trend lately has been to have such posts on their Blogs, and Social
Media Pages...

I have seen presentations, documents from both Ignitenet & Siklu along
those lines that you have expressed.

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
http://www.snappytelecom.net

Tel: 305 663 5518 <(305)%20663-5518> x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <(305)%20663-5518> Option 2 or Email:
supp...@snappytelecom.net

--

*From: *ch...@wbmfg.com
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Wednesday, November 1, 2017 10:51:13 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Viable/buyable unlicensed 60GHz 1Gbps PtMP

Normally, the vendors of this kind of thing will publish a white paper
showing a deployment.
Showing maps, distances, photos, signal strengths, performance specs.
Stuff you can verify.  Maybe those white papers are out there for 60 GHz
but I have not seen any.
Tons of this kind of thing from Mot and Cambium over the years.

*From:* Sterling Jacobson
*Sent:* Tuesday, October 31, 2017 4:13 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Viable/buyable unlicensed 60GHz 1Gbps PtMP


Local WISPs have tried both and they are either unavailable for purchase in
quantity, and/or suck in actual practice/usage.



Has anyone hear actually gotten more than one AP working from either
company, and is happy with near 1Gbps performance on PtMP spread over an
area of more than a handful of CPE in a single ‘line’ area?



I doubt it.



*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
*Sent:* Tuesday, October 31, 2017 4:03 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Viable/buyable unlicensed 60GHz 1Gbps PtMP



Yes, I thought both of these were already on the market.

On Tuesday, October 31, 2017, Jeff Broadwick - Lists 
wrote:

Siklu and Ignite.Net.

Jeff Broadwick
CTIconnect
312-205-2519 <(312)%20205-2519> Office
574-220-7826 <(574)%20220-7826> Cell
jbroadw...@cticonnect.com

> On Oct 31, 2017, at 5:58 PM, Sterling Jacobson 
wrote:
>
> It sounds like there isn't any available/viable 60GHz PtMP product yet.
>
> Any ideas on who is going to bring out the first readily available 1Gbps
PtMP product that actually works?

Re: [AFMUG] WDM Stupid Question

[fiberrun]

> If I had four different colors of CWDM SFP modules, obviously I could use a 
> CWDM Mux to connect all of them to the same fiber.  Would a 
> 1x4 PLC splitter also work?  
  No, because the CWDM SFP RX side is not wavelength selective. That's why you 
use the demux to separate the wavelengths. 

Jared

Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Rocket 2AC Prism

[Tim Reichhart]

I do what you wanna know paul?



 

-Original Message-
From: "Paul McCall" 
To: af@afmug.com
Date: 11/01/17 02:20
Subject: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti Rocket 2AC Prism


Anybody have any real world experience with these yet?

 

Paul McCall, President

PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.

658 Old Dixie Highway

Vero Beach, FL 32962

772-564-6800 

pa...@pdmnet.net

www.pdmnet.com

www.floridabroadband.com

 

 

Re: [AFMUG] Safety Policy / Traffic Policy?

[Ben Royer]

Good info, thanks again.  I’ve been trying to find other companies’ data, but 
even with the abundance that is the interwebs, I’ve had little luck so far.  I 
am however settling in on something along these lines:

oCones must be placed in front and behind vehicle, greater than 5’ away, no 
further than 1’ x MPH of roadway, or a distance deemed necessary for 
environment and driving conditions.

oCones must be placed in front and behind vehicle, 3’-10’ away, when 
working in non-roadway areas.

oClass II Hi-Vis Apparel must be worn when working within 15’ of any 
roadway with traffic speeds of 1-40MPH

oClass III Hi-Vis Apparel must be worn when working within 15’ of any 
roadway with traffic speeds of 40+MPH


Thank you,
Ben Royer, Operations Manager
Royell Communications, Inc.
217-965-3699 www.royell.net

From: Chuck McCown 
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2017 11:27 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Safety Policy / Traffic Policy?

No, the cone is purely to force them to walk behind the vehicle when leaving so 
they don’t squish the customer’s kids.  

From: Ben Royer 
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2017 10:22 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Safety Policy / Traffic Policy?

Thanks,  Do you specify to the employee the distance of cone?  IE: 1’*MPH of 
roadway? or 10’ or anything like that?

Thank you,
Ben Royer, Operations Manager
Royell Communications, Inc.
217-965-3699 www.royell.net

From: Chuck McCown 
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2017 11:15 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Safety Policy / Traffic Policy?

Not sure I have written it down.  If in a public ROW, hard hats and orange 
vests must be worn.
If in a UDOT ROW then amber blinky light on top must be used.

Cones behind the truck at every stop.  

From: Ben Royer 
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2017 10:11 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] Safety Policy / Traffic Policy?

Does anyone have pre-drafted Safety Policies?  We have a tower climbing policy 
and workplace policy, but I’m looking to implement a ‘traffic’ safety one.  
Something along the lines of when and where to use Hi-Vis clothing, cones, etc. 
 Anyone have an example you’d share of anything like this?

Thank you,
Ben Royer, Operations Manager
Royell Communications, Inc.
217-965-3699 www.royell.net

[AFMUG] WDM Stupid Question

[Adam Moffett]

This occurred to me the other day.
If I had four different colors of CWDM SFP modules, obviously I could 
use a CWDM Mux to connect all of them to the same fiber.  Would a 1x4 
PLC splitter also work?  All 4 SFP's would receive all 4 wavelengths, 
but wouldn't they only respond to the one wavelength they're coded for?  
You could do something like that with radios if you had sufficient 
frequency separation.


Just curious.

Re: [AFMUG] Safety Policy / Traffic Policy?

[Ben Royer]

Good info, thanks again.  I’ve been trying to find other companies’ data, but 
even with the abundance that is the interwebs, I’ve had little luck so far.  I 
am however settling in on something along these lines:

oCones must be placed in front and behind vehicle, greater than 5’ away, no 
further than 1’ x MPH of roadway, or a distance deemed necessary for 
environment and driving conditions.

oCones must be placed in front and behind vehicle, 3’-10’ away, when 
working in non-roadway areas.

oClass II Hi-Vis Apparel must be worn when working within 15’ of any 
roadway with traffic speeds of 1-40MPH

oClass III Hi-Vis Apparel must be worn when working within 15’ of any 
roadway with traffic speeds of 40+MPH



Thank you,
Ben Royer, Operations Manager
Royell Communications, Inc.
217-965-3699 www.royell.net

From: Brian Webster 
Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2017 12:08 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Safety Policy / Traffic Policy?

Pretty sure Verizon has rules very similar so if you can’t get the Mediacom 
rules try Verizon’s

 

Thank You,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

www.Broadband-Mapping.com

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2017 12:47 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Safety Policy / Traffic Policy?

 

IF you can lay your hands on mediacom cable companies, it covers all bases, to 
the degree you cant park anywhere you have to back, cones out, i was told they 
even are to avoid left turns 

 

On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 11:36 AM, Jaime Solorza  
wrote:

We are supposed to attend some new OSHA and State of Texas safety training 
soon.   I can share that when we get it.  Maybe Lewis or Tushar or other fellow 
Texans can chime in? 

 

On Oct 31, 2017 10:11 AM, "Ben Royer"  wrote:

Does anyone have pre-drafted Safety Policies?  We have a tower climbing policy 
and workplace policy, but I’m looking to implement a ‘traffic’ safety one.  
Something along the lines of when and where to use Hi-Vis clothing, cones, etc. 
 Anyone have an example you’d share of anything like this?

 

Thank you,
Ben Royer, Operations Manager
Royell Communications, Inc.
217-965-3699 www.royell.net

 

Re: [AFMUG] Safety Policy / Traffic Policy?

[Ben Royer]

Good info, thanks again.  I’ve been trying to find other companies’ data, but 
even with the abundance that is the interwebs, I’ve had little luck so far.  I 
am however settling in on something along these lines:

oCones must be placed in front and behind vehicle, greater than 5’ away, no 
further than 1’ x MPH of roadway, or a distance deemed necessary for 
environment and driving conditions.

oCones must be placed in front and behind vehicle, 3’-10’ away, when 
working in non-roadway areas.

oClass II Hi-Vis Apparel must be worn when working within 15’ of any 
roadway with traffic speeds of 1-40MPH

oClass III Hi-Vis Apparel must be worn when working within 15’ of any 
roadway with traffic speeds of 40+MPH


Thank you,
Ben Royer, Operations Manager
Royell Communications, Inc.
217-965-3699 www.royell.net

From: Brian Webster 
Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2017 12:08 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Safety Policy / Traffic Policy?

Pretty sure Verizon has rules very similar so if you can’t get the Mediacom 
rules try Verizon’s

 

Thank You,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

www.Broadband-Mapping.com

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2017 12:47 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Safety Policy / Traffic Policy?

 

IF you can lay your hands on mediacom cable companies, it covers all bases, to 
the degree you cant park anywhere you have to back, cones out, i was told they 
even are to avoid left turns 

 

On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 11:36 AM, Jaime Solorza  
wrote:

We are supposed to attend some new OSHA and State of Texas safety training 
soon.   I can share that when we get it.  Maybe Lewis or Tushar or other fellow 
Texans can chime in? 

 

On Oct 31, 2017 10:11 AM, "Ben Royer"  wrote:

Does anyone have pre-drafted Safety Policies?  We have a tower climbing policy 
and workplace policy, but I’m looking to implement a ‘traffic’ safety one.  
Something along the lines of when and where to use Hi-Vis clothing, cones, etc. 
 Anyone have an example you’d share of anything like this?

 

Thank you,
Ben Royer, Operations Manager
Royell Communications, Inc.
217-965-3699 www.royell.net

 

[AFMUG] Ubiquiti Rocket 2AC Prism

[Paul McCall]

Anybody have any real world experience with these yet?

Paul McCall, President
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
772-564-6800
pa...@pdmnet.net
www.pdmnet.com
www.floridabroadband.com

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Electronics Question

[chuck]

https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/on-semiconductor/1N5223B/1N5223B-ND/977556

13 cents

Wire it up backwards and it will have a constant 2.7 voltage drop across it.  
It is good for a half watt.  So, as long as your current to the arduino stays 
below 185 milliwatts you will not smoke the zener.  

There are larger zeners available.  

From: Jason McKemie 
Sent: Wednesday, November 1, 2017 10:57 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Electronics Question

I was under the impression that the cap was for smoothing out the power to the 
Arduino (actually a nodemcu esp8266 module in this case).  Apparently these 
things can act strangely without a good clean power source.

On Wed, Nov 1, 2017 at 11:49 AM,  wrote:

  Your diode needs to be larger than the total current the combination will 
draw at peak.  The cap could be for power supply filtering or emi or ?  Not 
really sure.  

  You could use just a 2.7 volt zener diode (reverse biased) inserted in series 
with the Arduino to knock off 2.7 volts off of the 6 volts.  

  From: Jason McKemie 
  Sent: Wednesday, November 1, 2017 10:27 AM
  To: af@afmug.com 
  Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Electronics Question

  I'm rigging up an Arduino controlled blind setup and trying to configure the 
power supply.  The installation will have an Arduino (3.3v) and a servo that 
will operate at around 6v.  I was going to supply the whole thing with 6v and 
use a step-down converter on the Arduino.  Someone recommended using a diode on 
the + input, and a cap across the inputs to the step down - how would I go 
about sizing these appropriately?

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Electronics Question

[Jason McKemie]

I was under the impression that the cap was for smoothing out the power to
the Arduino (actually a nodemcu esp8266 module in this case).  Apparently
these things can act strangely without a good clean power source.

On Wed, Nov 1, 2017 at 11:49 AM,  wrote:

> Your diode needs to be larger than the total current the combination will
> draw at peak.  The cap could be for power supply filtering or emi or ?  Not
> really sure.
>
> You could use just a 2.7 volt zener diode (reverse biased) inserted in
> series with the Arduino to knock off 2.7 volts off of the 6 volts.
>
> *From:* Jason McKemie
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 1, 2017 10:27 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] OT: Electronics Question
>
> I'm rigging up an Arduino controlled blind setup and trying to configure
> the power supply.  The installation will have an Arduino (3.3v) and a servo
> that will operate at around 6v.  I was going to supply the whole thing with
> 6v and use a step-down converter on the Arduino.  Someone recommended using
> a diode on the + input, and a cap across the inputs to the step down - how
> would I go about sizing these appropriately?
>

Re: [AFMUG] Viable/buyable unlicensed 60GHz 1Gbps PtMP

[Sterling Jacobson]

That would be helpful because the testing and work I’ve been told about from 
firsthand users so far is a no go.

I did a similar writeup and test of the Motorola/Cambium 400 Platform years ago 
in my area.
That is what I would like to see. Some provider with multiple AP’s across a 360 
degree geography with real world throughput results and analysis of management 
software and platform etc.

Something like this slide deck which used data and pictures from our system way 
back in the day, lol!

http://slideplayer.com/slide/8497605/



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 1, 2017 10:47 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Viable/buyable unlicensed 60GHz 1Gbps PtMP

Not saying they have not published, just that I have not seen any publications. 
 If there is a real world deployment with positive results that can be 
verified, the vendors should not be bashful about crowing about it.  They all 
know they are free to post white papers here.

From: Faisal Imtiaz
Sent: Wednesday, November 1, 2017 10:19 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Viable/buyable unlicensed 60GHz 1Gbps PtMP

Fair point Chuck..

But the trend lately has been to have such posts on their Blogs, and Social 
Media Pages...

I have seen presentations, documents from both Ignitenet & Siklu along those 
lines that you have expressed.

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
http://www.snappytelecom.net

Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: 
supp...@snappytelecom.net


From: ch...@wbmfg.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 1, 2017 10:51:13 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Viable/buyable unlicensed 60GHz 1Gbps PtMP
Normally, the vendors of this kind of thing will publish a white paper showing 
a deployment.
Showing maps, distances, photos, signal strengths, performance specs.
Stuff you can verify.  Maybe those white papers are out there for 60 GHz but I 
have not seen any.
Tons of this kind of thing from Mot and Cambium over the years.

From: Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2017 4:13 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Viable/buyable unlicensed 60GHz 1Gbps PtMP

Local WISPs have tried both and they are either unavailable for purchase in 
quantity, and/or suck in actual practice/usage.

Has anyone hear actually gotten more than one AP working from either company, 
and is happy with near 1Gbps performance on PtMP spread over an area of more 
than a handful of CPE in a single ‘line’ area?

I doubt it.

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2017 4:03 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Viable/buyable unlicensed 60GHz 1Gbps PtMP

Yes, I thought both of these were already on the market.

On Tuesday, October 31, 2017, Jeff Broadwick - Lists 
> wrote:
Siklu and Ignite.Net.

Jeff Broadwick
CTIconnect
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@cticonnect.com

> On Oct 31, 2017, at 5:58 PM, Sterling Jacobson 
> > wrote:
>
> It sounds like there isn't any available/viable 60GHz PtMP product yet.
>
> Any ideas on who is going to bring out the first readily available 1Gbps PtMP 
> product that actually works?

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Electronics Question

[chuck]

Your diode needs to be larger than the total current the combination will draw 
at peak.  The cap could be for power supply filtering or emi or ?  Not really 
sure.  

You could use just a 2.7 volt zener diode (reverse biased) inserted in series 
with the Arduino to knock off 2.7 volts off of the 6 volts.  

From: Jason McKemie 
Sent: Wednesday, November 1, 2017 10:27 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Electronics Question

I'm rigging up an Arduino controlled blind setup and trying to configure the 
power supply.  The installation will have an Arduino (3.3v) and a servo that 
will operate at around 6v.  I was going to supply the whole thing with 6v and 
use a step-down converter on the Arduino.  Someone recommended using a diode on 
the + input, and a cap across the inputs to the step down - how would I go 
about sizing these appropriately?

Re: [AFMUG] Viable/buyable unlicensed 60GHz 1Gbps PtMP

[chuck]

Not saying they have not published, just that I have not seen any publications. 
 If there is a real world deployment with positive results that can be 
verified, the vendors should not be bashful about crowing about it.  They all 
know they are free to post white papers here.  

From: Faisal Imtiaz 
Sent: Wednesday, November 1, 2017 10:19 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Viable/buyable unlicensed 60GHz 1Gbps PtMP

Fair point Chuck..

But the trend lately has been to have such posts on their Blogs, and Social 
Media Pages...

I have seen presentations, documents from both Ignitenet & Siklu along those 
lines that you have expressed.

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
http://www.snappytelecom.net

Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net




  From: ch...@wbmfg.com
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Wednesday, November 1, 2017 10:51:13 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Viable/buyable unlicensed 60GHz 1Gbps PtMP

  Normally, the vendors of this kind of thing will publish a white paper 
showing a deployment.
  Showing maps, distances, photos, signal strengths, performance specs. 
  Stuff you can verify.  Maybe those white papers are out there for 60 GHz but 
I have not seen any.
  Tons of this kind of thing from Mot and Cambium over the years. 

  From: Sterling Jacobson
  Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2017 4:13 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Viable/buyable unlicensed 60GHz 1Gbps PtMP

  Local WISPs have tried both and they are either unavailable for purchase in 
quantity, and/or suck in actual practice/usage.



  Has anyone hear actually gotten more than one AP working from either company, 
and is happy with near 1Gbps performance on PtMP spread over an area of more 
than a handful of CPE in a single ‘line’ area?



  I doubt it.



  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie
  Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2017 4:03 PM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Viable/buyable unlicensed 60GHz 1Gbps PtMP



  Yes, I thought both of these were already on the market.

  On Tuesday, October 31, 2017, Jeff Broadwick - Lists  wrote:

Siklu and Ignite.Net.

Jeff Broadwick
CTIconnect
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@cticonnect.com

> On Oct 31, 2017, at 5:58 PM, Sterling Jacobson  
wrote:
>
> It sounds like there isn't any available/viable 60GHz PtMP product yet.
>
> Any ideas on who is going to bring out the first readily available 1Gbps 
PtMP product that actually works?

[AFMUG] OT: Electronics Question

[Jason McKemie]

I'm rigging up an Arduino controlled blind setup and trying to configure
the power supply.  The installation will have an Arduino (3.3v) and a servo
that will operate at around 6v.  I was going to supply the whole thing with
6v and use a step-down converter on the Arduino.  Someone recommended using
a diode on the + input, and a cap across the inputs to the step down - how
would I go about sizing these appropriately?

Re: [AFMUG] Viable/buyable unlicensed 60GHz 1Gbps PtMP

[Faisal Imtiaz]

Fair point Chuck.. 

But the trend lately has been to have such posts on their Blogs, and Social 
Media Pages... 

I have seen presentations, documents from both Ignitenet & Siklu along those 
lines that you have expressed. 

Regards. 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
http://www.snappytelecom.net 

Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: ch...@wbmfg.com
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Wednesday, November 1, 2017 10:51:13 AM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Viable/buyable unlicensed 60GHz 1Gbps PtMP

> Normally, the vendors of this kind of thing will publish a white paper 
> showing a
> deployment.
> Showing maps, distances, photos, signal strengths, performance specs.
> Stuff you can verify. Maybe those white papers are out there for 60 GHz but I
> have not seen any.
> Tons of this kind of thing from Mot and Cambium over the years.
> From: Sterling Jacobson
> Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2017 4:13 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Viable/buyable unlicensed 60GHz 1Gbps PtMP

> Local WISPs have tried both and they are either unavailable for purchase in
> quantity, and/or suck in actual practice/usage.

> Has anyone hear actually gotten more than one AP working from either company,
> and is happy with near 1Gbps performance on PtMP spread over an area of more
> than a handful of CPE in a single ‘line’ area?

> I doubt it.

> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie
> Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2017 4:03 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Viable/buyable unlicensed 60GHz 1Gbps PtMP

> Yes, I thought both of these were already on the market.

> On Tuesday, October 31, 2017, Jeff Broadwick - Lists < jeffl...@att.net > 
> wrote:
>> Siklu and Ignite.Net.

>> Jeff Broadwick
>> CTIconnect
>> 312-205-2519 Office
>> 574-220-7826 Cell
>> jbroadw...@cticonnect.com

>> > On Oct 31, 2017, at 5:58 PM, Sterling Jacobson < sterl...@avative.net > 
>> > wrote:

>> > It sounds like there isn't any available/viable 60GHz PtMP product yet.

>>> Any ideas on who is going to bring out the first readily available 1Gbps 
>>> PtMP
>> > product that actually works?

Re: [AFMUG] Viable/buyable unlicensed 60GHz 1Gbps PtMP

[Sean Heskett]

cambium announced at wispapalooza that they will have a 60GHz 450i AP and
SM available mid year next year (which probably means next Christmas ;)

i know that's not a deployable product today like you asked for...but it is
coming down the pike if you can wait.

-sean


On Wed, Nov 1, 2017 at 8:51 AM,  wrote:

> Normally, the vendors of this kind of thing will publish a white paper
> showing a deployment.
> Showing maps, distances, photos, signal strengths, performance specs.
> Stuff you can verify.  Maybe those white papers are out there for 60 GHz
> but I have not seen any.
> Tons of this kind of thing from Mot and Cambium over the years.
>
> *From:* Sterling Jacobson
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 31, 2017 4:13 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Viable/buyable unlicensed 60GHz 1Gbps PtMP
>
>
> Local WISPs have tried both and they are either unavailable for purchase
> in quantity, and/or suck in actual practice/usage.
>
>
>
> Has anyone hear actually gotten more than one AP working from either
> company, and is happy with near 1Gbps performance on PtMP spread over an
> area of more than a handful of CPE in a single ‘line’ area?
>
>
>
> I doubt it.
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jason McKemie
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 31, 2017 4:03 PM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Viable/buyable unlicensed 60GHz 1Gbps PtMP
>
>
>
> Yes, I thought both of these were already on the market.
>
> On Tuesday, October 31, 2017, Jeff Broadwick - Lists 
> wrote:
>
> Siklu and Ignite.Net.
>
> Jeff Broadwick
> CTIconnect
> 312-205-2519 <(312)%20205-2519> Office
> 574-220-7826 <(574)%20220-7826> Cell
> jbroadw...@cticonnect.com
>
> > On Oct 31, 2017, at 5:58 PM, Sterling Jacobson 
> wrote:
> >
> > It sounds like there isn't any available/viable 60GHz PtMP product yet.
> >
> > Any ideas on who is going to bring out the first readily available 1Gbps
> PtMP product that actually works?
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] Viable/buyable unlicensed 60GHz 1Gbps PtMP

[chuck]

Normally, the vendors of this kind of thing will publish a white paper showing 
a deployment.
Showing maps, distances, photos, signal strengths, performance specs.  
Stuff you can verify.  Maybe those white papers are out there for 60 GHz but I 
have not seen any.
Tons of this kind of thing from Mot and Cambium over the years.  

From: Sterling Jacobson 
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2017 4:13 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Viable/buyable unlicensed 60GHz 1Gbps PtMP

Local WISPs have tried both and they are either unavailable for purchase in 
quantity, and/or suck in actual practice/usage.

 

Has anyone hear actually gotten more than one AP working from either company, 
and is happy with near 1Gbps performance on PtMP spread over an area of more 
than a handful of CPE in a single ‘line’ area?

 

I doubt it.

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jason McKemie
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2017 4:03 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Viable/buyable unlicensed 60GHz 1Gbps PtMP

 

Yes, I thought both of these were already on the market.

On Tuesday, October 31, 2017, Jeff Broadwick - Lists  wrote:

  Siklu and Ignite.Net.

  Jeff Broadwick
  CTIconnect
  312-205-2519 Office
  574-220-7826 Cell
  jbroadw...@cticonnect.com

  > On Oct 31, 2017, at 5:58 PM, Sterling Jacobson  wrote:
  >
  > It sounds like there isn't any available/viable 60GHz PtMP product yet.
  >
  > Any ideas on who is going to bring out the first readily available 1Gbps 
PtMP product that actually works?

Re: [AFMUG] DHCP Server Redundancy Survey

[Joe Novak]

With functional DHCP option 82 all you need to know is the MAC Address of
the Client's CPE, which is good practice to keep anyhow. :)

On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 6:12 PM, Charles Boening 
wrote:

> These guys are worth checking out.
>
> http://www.network1.net/products/dhcpatriot/
>
>
> It's essentially the same thing Jesse mentioned just in a commercial
> product with some management wrapped around it.  Linux underneath the hood
> and a basic yet functional web UI.  RADIUS integration, RADIUS forwarding,
> local users, etc.  It has captive portal functionality so you can identify
> what username has what IP and MAC address.  You can pre-auth users
> (xbox/playstation only types out there) as well as suspend users with a
> custom message.  You can do static IP as well.  They also have a basic API
> so you can do some integrations.  We supply routers so when we know the MAC
> we pre-auth the customer.  Makes a more seamless experience for the
> customer.
>
> They support IPv6 as well.
>
> Happy to answer any questions.  
>
>
> Charlie
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
> Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2017 1:00 PM
> To: 'af@afmug.com' 
> Subject: [AFMUG] DHCP Server Redundancy Survey
>
> I want to do a more flexible/standard setup for my DHCP handouts.
>
> I hand out public IPv4 and IPv6 dual stack to each customer router from
> two main routers on my network.
>
> Is it best to create two redundant DHCP servers instead and use DHCP Relay
> on-net to them?
>
> And how is everyone doing that?
>
> I'm guessing it's probably best to have those two redundant DHCP servers
> be RADIUS controlled so billing systems can easily integrate with them.
>

Re: [AFMUG] Reasonably priced 24 port POE switch

[Mike Hammett]

Oh yeah, IgniteNet has a switch for that. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 




- Original Message -

From: "Harold Bledsoe"  
To: af@afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, November 1, 2017 3:10:31 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Reasonably priced 24 port POE switch 



Make sure you check the power budget. That's one area that varies somewhat from 
switch to switch especially if you need 3at. 


Hal 


On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 2:10 PM Paul McCall < pa...@pdmnet.net > wrote: 





We need to power 22 UniFi cameras from POE. What is a good, cost effective 
switch for that? 

Paul 

Paul McCall, President 
PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc. 
658 Old Dixie Highway 
Vero Beach, FL 32962 
772 -564-6800 
pa...@pdmnet.net 
www.pdmnet.com 
www.floridabroadband.com 




-- 


Harold Bledsoe 

Re: [AFMUG] Reasonably priced 24 port POE switch

[Harold Bledsoe]

Make sure you check the power budget. That's one area that varies somewhat
from switch to switch especially if you need 3at.

Hal

On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 2:10 PM Paul McCall  wrote:

> We need to power 22 UniFi cameras from POE.   What is a good, cost
> effective switch for that?
> 
>
> 
>
>
>
> Paul
>
>
>
> Paul McCall, President
>
> PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc.
>
> 658 Old Dixie Highway
> 
>
> Vero Beach, FL 32962
> 
>
> 772
> -564-6800
>
>
> pa...@pdmnet.net
>
> www.pdmnet.com
>
> www.floridabroadband.com
>
>
>
>
>
-- 

Harold Bledsoe