Re: [AFMUG] Content filtering - Trustwave

[Randy Cosby]

Any guesses which hardware vendors are helping craft this legislation? 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Thursday, February 8, 2018 12:28 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Content filtering - Trustwave

 

I agree, but Utah seems hell bent on doing something obtrusive.

 

Since they can’t seem to let it go, that was my next proposal in lieu of 
abandoning the fruitless endeavor altogether.

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup
Sent: Thursday, February 8, 2018 11:43 AM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Content filtering - Trustwave

 

IMO, completely 100% wrong. You don't get to come into my house or tell a 
private company that we don't meet your moral standards. The people can make 
their own damn decisions. Stop trying to legislate morality. The politicians 
that try this stuff are usually the ones that end up being freaks or porn 
addicts.

Public institutions, schools, libraries, etc. yeah, filter away. That's 
standard here in KIllinois, too.

On 2/8/2018 11:31 AM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:

What should really happen law wise, is that the state (Utah in this case) 
approve a group of content filtering companies for end users.

Then mandate AT MOST that the ISP allow/offer at least one of those up to 
customers as a certified filtering option.

 

Again, not mandatory, but as viable options that are semi-pushed from the ISP 
side, still for profit.

 

It’s just too much and too variant to have to mandate the ISP do any kind of 
filtering ‘mid-stream’ style.

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Thursday, February 8, 2018 9:30 AM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: [AFMUG] Content filtering - Trustwave

 

Unrelated to Chuck's thread, we started talking internally about offering 
content filtering as a value add.

 

An initial conversation with Trustwave seemed promising, and I'm supposed to 
have a follow up to discuss tech details later.

 

But does anybody still do this?  Is there still consumer interest?  How much 
are/were you selling it for?

 

 

Re: [AFMUG] Content filtering - Trustwave

[Randy Cosby]

Also ask about how they filter HTTPS (i.e.: over 73% of the sites in America).  

 

https://www.engadget.com/2017/10/21/googles-annual-report-shows-more-web-traffic-is-encrypted/

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Thursday, February 8, 2018 10:33 AM
To: af@afmug.com; af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Content filtering - Trustwave

 

Thanks for the tip!  I'll be sure to ask them in the engineering call next week.

 

 

-- Original Message --

From: "Cassidy B. Larson"  >

To: af@afmug.com  

Sent: 2/8/2018 11:48:11 AM

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Content filtering - Trustwave

 

Ask them about IPv6. I’ve been asking for years. No movement, no plans. They 
say I can bridge v6 through it and block all v6.. but that’s not a solution.

 

 





On Feb 8, 2018, at 9:30 AM, Adam Moffett  > wrote:

 

Unrelated to Chuck's thread, we started talking internally about offering 
content filtering as a value add.

 

An initial conversation with Trustwave seemed promising, and I'm supposed to 
have a follow up to discuss tech details later.

 

But does anybody still do this?  Is there still consumer interest?  How much 
are/were you selling it for?

 

[AFMUG] BridgeWave Flex4G / Remec

[Randy Cosby]

I had a chat with a rep for Bridgewave at Wispapalooza last week.  I had
heard in the past the company wasn't doing well.  I was surprised to find
out that the company is now owned by Remec, the OEM for many brands of ODUs
on the market. Apparently this happened a couple years ago and they have
improved manufacturing, while expanding the Bridgewave distribution network.

 

Has anyone used one of these? We have an immediate need for something like
this for a 10Gbps link. The WISPA promo price for a full 10Gig link with
dishes and SFPs was _very_ good. We're also looking at Siklu and NEC.

 

 

Randy Cosby

Vice President

InfoWest, Inc

435-674-0165

 

Re: [AFMUG] Alpha FXM2000

[Randy Cosby]

Following up on this for future reference and web searches of the archives:

 

The temperature sensor cable is part number w03457 and I was able to buy some 
through Codale (thanks Sterling for the tip.)

 

 

 

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Randy Cosby
Sent: Tuesday, May 9, 2017 3:06 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Alpha FXM2000

 

Sterling,

 

Where did you find the temperature kits?

 

Randy

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Friday, May 5, 2017 8:48 PM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Alpha FXM2000

 

We have a few of those, some of which I’ve gotten off Ebay, and even one 
locally that I picked up.

 

I wouldn’t say they hum, but maybe I didn’t notice that.

 

There might be something off with yours if it’s really loud while on AC power.

 

You can purchase the harness kits from vendors or Alpha I think.

 

I’ve gotten the battery harness kit and the temperature RJ14/11 cable after the 
fact.

 

The only thing I couldn’t really find extra was the network module since it’s a 
module that has the whole fan/wiring assembly inside.

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Keefe John
Sent: Friday, May 5, 2017 6:39 PM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Alpha FXM2000

 

They have a large transformer so they might hum a bit. The battery connector is 
an Anderson connector.

Keefe

On May 5, 2017 5:49:23 PM CDT, Jason McKemie <j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com 
<mailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> > wrote:

Just got one of these new / open box. I have a couple of questions though. 

 

Do they normally produce a humming sound while powered up?

 

Is the battery connector something standard? I don't have the one that is 
supposed to come with it.

 


-- 
Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

Re: [AFMUG] Alpha FXM2000

[Randy Cosby]

Sterling,

 

Where did you find the temperature kits?

 

Randy

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
Sent: Friday, May 5, 2017 8:48 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Alpha FXM2000

 

We have a few of those, some of which I’ve gotten off Ebay, and even one 
locally that I picked up.

 

I wouldn’t say they hum, but maybe I didn’t notice that.

 

There might be something off with yours if it’s really loud while on AC power.

 

You can purchase the harness kits from vendors or Alpha I think.

 

I’ve gotten the battery harness kit and the temperature RJ14/11 cable after the 
fact.

 

The only thing I couldn’t really find extra was the network module since it’s a 
module that has the whole fan/wiring assembly inside.

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Keefe John
Sent: Friday, May 5, 2017 6:39 PM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Alpha FXM2000

 

They have a large transformer so they might hum a bit. The battery connector is 
an Anderson connector.

Keefe

On May 5, 2017 5:49:23 PM CDT, Jason McKemie  > wrote:

Just got one of these new / open box. I have a couple of questions though. 

 

Do they normally produce a humming sound while powered up?

 

Is the battery connector something standard? I don't have the one that is 
supposed to come with it.

 


-- 
Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

[AFMUG] New installer tool for tree problems

[Randy Cosby]

http://video.dailymail.co.uk/video/mol/2016/04/03/8869074933904817371/640x36
0_8869074933904817371.mp4

 

 

Randy Cosby

Vice President

InfoWest, Inc

435-674-0165

 

Re: [AFMUG] Meanwell RSD DC-DC in Parallel????

[Randy Cosby]

Meanwell makes 480W SDR models designed for parallel usage.  

 

http://www.meanwell.com/mw_search/SDR-480P/SDR-480P-spec.pdf

 

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2016 10:59 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Meanwell RSD DC-DC in Parallel

 

They will never evenly split the current unless they are designed for load 
sharing.  

Works great for redundancy purposes which your original post talks about.  

 

But not so well of you actually need more current that one can provide by 
itself.  There are tricks you can do like ballast resistors in series etc but 
if you really need more current than one can do by itself it is better to use 
units that are designed to do that.

 

 

 

From: Gino Villarini   

Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2016 10:39 AM

To: Animal Farm   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Meanwell RSD DC-DC in Parallel

 

ok thanks! 

 

On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 1:17 PM, Ken Hohhof  > wrote:

At the end of the Mean Well spec sheet it says to use diodes and has a diagram.

 

There are several suppliers that sell MOSFET based redundancy modules that have 
about 1/10 the voltage drop of diodes, if you are worried about that.

 

 

From: Gino Villarini   

Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2016 10:56 AM

To: Animal Farm   

Subject: [AFMUG] Meanwell RSD DC-DC in Parallel

 

Can i connect 2 or more RSD DC-DC converters in parallel for redundancy 
purposes? 

 

Re: [AFMUG] Meanwell RSD DC-DC in Parallel????

[Randy Cosby]

Missed that, sorry.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2016 12:18 PM
To: Animal Farm <af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Meanwell RSD DC-DC in Parallel

 

thats ac to dc 

 

On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 2:51 PM, Randy Cosby <dco...@infowest.com 
<mailto:dco...@infowest.com> > wrote:

Meanwell makes 480W SDR models designed for parallel usage.  

 

http://www.meanwell.com/mw_search/SDR-480P/SDR-480P-spec.pdf

 

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> ] On Behalf 
Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2016 10:59 AM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Meanwell RSD DC-DC in Parallel

 

They will never evenly split the current unless they are designed for load 
sharing.  

Works great for redundancy purposes which your original post talks about.  

 

But not so well of you actually need more current that one can provide by 
itself.  There are tricks you can do like ballast resistors in series etc but 
if you really need more current than one can do by itself it is better to use 
units that are designed to do that.

 

 

 

From: Gino Villarini <mailto:ginovi...@gmail.com>  

Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2016 10:39 AM

To: Animal Farm <mailto:af@afmug.com>  

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Meanwell RSD DC-DC in Parallel

 

ok thanks! 

 

On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 1:17 PM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com 
<mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

At the end of the Mean Well spec sheet it says to use diodes and has a diagram.

 

There are several suppliers that sell MOSFET based redundancy modules that have 
about 1/10 the voltage drop of diodes, if you are worried about that.

 

 

From: Gino Villarini <mailto:ginovi...@gmail.com>  

Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2016 10:56 AM

To: Animal Farm <mailto:af@afmug.com>  

Subject: [AFMUG] Meanwell RSD DC-DC in Parallel

 

Can i connect 2 or more RSD DC-DC converters in parallel for redundancy 
purposes? 

 

 

Re: [AFMUG] Starry Internet - Ex Aereo WISP - Announced

[Randy Cosby]

I wonder if Vivint’s new 60GHz plans are based on similar “millimeter wave band 
active phased array technology”

 

--

On September 21, 2015, the board of directors of the Company approved a plan to 
transition Vivint’s wireless internet business from a 5Ghz to a 60Ghz-based 
network technology that provides higher data transmission speeds. The Company 
will continue to service its existing 5Ghz subscribers. As a result of this 
transition, the Company will discontinue the build-out of additional 5Ghz 
networks and the installation of new 5Ghz customers. Vivint expects the shift 
to the new technology will begin with a set of 60Ghz test installations in 
2016.  During the three months ended September 30, 2015, the Company recorded 
wireless internet-related restructuring and asset impairment charges totaling 
$58.0 million. These charges included $52.1 million of asset impairment charges 
related to write downs of network assets, subscriber acquisition costs, certain 
intellectual property and goodwill. The $58 million charge also included $5.9 
million in restructuring costs related to employee severance, termination 
benefits and the write offs of certain vendor contracts.

 

http://s2.q4cdn.com/226156452/files/doc_financials/quarter/Q32015/APX-Group-3rd-Quarter-2015-Earnings-Release-final.pdf

 

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2016 11:30 AM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Starry Internet - Ex Aereo WISP - Announced

 

BFM Sterling BFM 

On Jan 28, 2016 11:15 AM, "Sterling Jacobson"  > wrote:

Lol!

 

Boston.

 

I can’t see how this service is going to MIMO it’s way around all the corners 
and buildings downtown to get at the window CPE’s at those higher frequencies.

 

Maybe it’s magic, I don’t know.

 

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com  ] On Behalf 
Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2016 11:08 AM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Starry Internet - Ex Aereo WISP - Announced

 

Shall we start a pool, or maybe 7 of them?

 

Launch date.

First customers installed.

First news report of really unhappy customers.

First press release that they are making changes to the product.

Date CEO is fired.

Date Company shuts down operation for re-tooling.

Date Assets acquired by another company.

 

From: Paul McCall   

Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2016 11:04 AM

To: af@afmug.com   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Starry Internet - Ex Aereo WISP - Announced

 

The real play here is probably OPM, taking big $$ salaries until it blows up :)

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2016 11:54 AM
To: af@afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Starry Internet - Ex Aereo WISP - Announced

 

That article almost makes you think the fancy router is the real play here.

 

Also, in case it wasn’t already posted, here is the FCC application:

 

https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/els/reports/442_Print.cfm?mode=current 

 _seq=69226_seq=69930

 

 

 

From: Travis Johnson   

Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2016 10:37 AM

To: af@afmug.com   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Starry Internet - Ex Aereo WISP - Announced

 

http://www.xconomy.com/new-york/2016/01/28/kanojia-returns-with-a-starry-plan-for-wireless-internet-smart-homes/

On 1/28/2016 9:13 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Also they filed an experimental application with the FCC.  So does that mean 
they can’t charge users?

 

 

From: Ken Hohhof   

Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2016 12:53 PM

To: af@afmug.com   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Starry Internet - Ex Aereo WISP - Announced

 

I’m not sure licensed band equipment needs equipment approval filed with the 
FCC.

 

From: Keefe John   

Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2016 12:16 PM

To: af@afmug.com   

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Starry Internet - Ex Aereo WISP - Announced

 

are they making this equipment or someone else?  We should see something on the 
FCC website...

On 1/27/2016 12:14 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:

38 GHz I think.  It was discussed in another thread.

 

 

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340  
Direct: 937-552-2343  
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 1:14 PM, Keefe John  > wrote:

what band are they using?

On 1/27/2016 12:05 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:

"That said, it comes with a 3.6-inch touchscreen and runs on Android,
going above and beyond simply facilitating a connection. Starry
Station includes software called the Internet Health Score, which is
constantly monitoring the connection and doing speed 

Re: [AFMUG] Interesting Solar Panel Effect

[Randy Cosby]

Have you seen this?  

 

http://forum.solar-electric.com/discussion/20285/midnite-charge-controller-snow-melting-mode-questions

 

Midnite Solar has a charger that has a “snow melt” mode.

 

Doesn’t sound like it works super well.

 

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2015 8:35 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Interesting Solar Panel Effect

 

I noticed a while back that half of my home solar array was frosted over and 
half was clear.  

 

I figured that one of the inverters must be off line.  Any time you are moving 
electrons you are creating heat, right?

Yes, one of them had tripped its circuit breaker, but it was the one that was 
melted, not the frosty one.

Zero current == warmer panel.  

 

I am guessing that extracting up to 285 watts per panel with a closed circuit 
means up to 285 watts lot left behind to convert into heat.  

Not sure if you could use this to help them melt snow.  I don’t think it would 
work for anything more than a light coating of frost.  I wish I would  have 
taken my IR thermometer out to see the temperature difference.  

Re: [AFMUG] Solar panel strangeness

[Randy Cosby]

No cracks in the glass.  Someone else suggested possibly lightning.

 

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2016 12:05 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Solar panel strangeness

 

Looks like the glass is cracked & that it is affecting the wires directly
under the crack?




bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
 

On 1/6/2016 10:56 AM, Randy Cosby wrote:

I know someone here will be able to explain this one.� On a recent tower
visit someone noticed a strange pattern on a solar panel.� I�m not sure
what it is exactly, or what caused it, but I�m pretty sure it�s not a
good thing.� Take a look�

�

�

 

[AFMUG] Sandstone

[Randy Cosby]

Anyone have any experience or tips for putting up small (20') Rown towers on
sandstone?  

 

Don't? :) 

 

 

Re: [AFMUG] Calculating USF

[Randy Cosby]

Taking this further...  If you have to charge/pay state taxes that are 
not specified as Gross reciepts taxes, you charge/pay on the 
intrastate portion: 35.1% x Tax rate.  Using Dave's example assuming a 
7% state sales tax rate:


$25 VoIP Bundle
35.1% = Intrastate = $8.78 Intrastate
$8.78 * 7% = $0.61 state sales tax due.

Not an accountant or lawyer, but this is what my telecom consultant has 
advised us to do.


Oh, and each municipality has a different tax rate here that is added to 
the state sales tax base.  Joy.


Randy

On 8/5/2015 8:53 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:


Excellent answer!

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Aug 5, 2015 10:50 AM, David Sovereen david.sover...@mercury.net 
mailto:david.sover...@mercury.net wrote:


USF is a tax on interstate phone services.

If you charge for intrastate and interstate services separately,
you can tax the interstate charges at the USF rate.  If you do
not, and you can determine the percentage of minutes that are
interstate vs intrastate, you can charge USF on that percentage of
the total charge.  There are some reporting requirements if you
are doing this.  Otherwise, you can use the Safe Harbor amount
which assumes that 64.9% of the bundles interstate+intrastate
charge is interstate and charge USF on that.

Example:

$25 VoIP Bundle
64.9% = Interstate = $14.40 Interstate
$14.40 x USF (presently 17.1%) = $2.46 USF due

Dave


 On Aug 5, 2015, at 10:12 AM, Simon Westlake
simon.westl...@digitalgunfire.com
mailto:simon.westl...@digitalgunfire.com wrote:

 I seem to vaguely remember someone once telling me it is
calculated as a percentage of the tax that you assess your
customer, but that doesn't seem right to me. Googling has proved
fruitless. Anyone here collect USF and, if so, how do you
calculate it? Or even if you don't collect USF but know how it
should be done, that'll work too!

Re: [AFMUG] Calculating USF

[Randy Cosby]

Right.  There is another fee (I don't recall what it was called) our 
state charges that is based on gross receipts.  Check with your CPA's, 
etc. and see if you're throwing too much money back to the state, but 
don't do it without knowing for sure.



On 8/5/2015 11:25 AM, David Sovereen wrote:

What is and is not subject to sales tax differs from state to state.

In Michigan and Wisconsin, the two states in which we operate, all 
telephony services delivered to an address in that state are subject 
to sales tax—intrastate, interstate, and international.  You should 
definitely check with your state’s sales tax authority before 
employing what Randy is showing.  If your state only taxes intrastate 
telephony services, then I would agree that Randy’s calculation could 
be appropriiate.


I am not a lawyer or accountant either.  Just want to caution people 
who are thinking about jumping on the calculation below.


Dave

On Aug 5, 2015, at 11:40 AM, Randy Cosby dco...@infowest.com 
mailto:dco...@infowest.com wrote:


Taking this further...  If you have to charge/pay state taxes that 
are not specified as Gross reciepts taxes, you charge/pay on the 
intrastate portion: 35.1% x Tax rate. Using Dave's example assuming a 
7% state sales tax rate:


$25 VoIP Bundle
35.1% = Intrastate = $8.78 Intrastate
$8.78 * 7% = $0.61 state sales tax due.

Not an accountant or lawyer, but this is what my telecom consultant 
has advised us to do.


Oh, and each municipality has a different tax rate here that is added 
to the state sales tax base.  Joy.


Randy

On 8/5/2015 8:53 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:


Excellent answer!

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Aug 5, 2015 10:50 AM, David Sovereen 
david.sover...@mercury.net mailto:david.sover...@mercury.net wrote:


USF is a tax on interstate phone services.

If you charge for intrastate and interstate services separately,
you can tax the interstate charges at the USF rate.  If you do
not, and you can determine the percentage of minutes that are
interstate vs intrastate, you can charge USF on that percentage
of the total charge.  There are some reporting requirements if
you are doing this.  Otherwise, you can use the Safe Harbor
amount which assumes that 64.9% of the bundles
interstate+intrastate charge is interstate and charge USF on that.

Example:

$25 VoIP Bundle
64.9% = Interstate = $14.40 Interstate
$14.40 x USF (presently 17.1%) = $2.46 USF due

Dave


 On Aug 5, 2015, at 10:12 AM, Simon Westlake
simon.westl...@digitalgunfire.com wrote:

 I seem to vaguely remember someone once telling me it is
calculated as a percentage of the tax that you assess your
customer, but that doesn't seem right to me. Googling has proved
fruitless. Anyone here collect USF and, if so, how do you
calculate it? Or even if you don't collect USF but know how it
should be done, that'll work too!

Re: [AFMUG] GPS Interference testing

[Randy Cosby]

Just coincidentally, they are running their annual Red Flag drills 
during the same time frame. 
http://www.nellis.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123445925


Hope they don't drop bombs in the wrong place.





On 7/14/2015 12:24 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote:
JAde Helm! Jade Helm!!! We are all getting locked up!! theyll start by 
shutting down our gps, that way everyone starves because they dont 
know how to read a map to get to the store


On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 1:17 PM, Sean Heskett af...@zirkel.us 
mailto:af...@zirkel.us wrote:


they do this all the time and i've never noticed an issue with our
canopy timing.  i'm also a pilot and haven't noticed an issue
while flying.

-sean


On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 11:59 AM, Randy Cosby dco...@infowest.com
mailto:dco...@infowest.com wrote:


https://www.faasafety.gov/files/notices/2015/Jul/NTTR_15-12_GPS_Flight_Advisory.pdf

Any idea what military GPS interference testing involves?  I
wonder how this might impact canopy or airfiber gps-timed links.











--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your 
team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.

[AFMUG] GPS Interference testing

[Randy Cosby]

https://www.faasafety.gov/files/notices/2015/Jul/NTTR_15-12_GPS_Flight_Advisory.pdf

Any idea what military GPS interference testing involves?  I wonder how 
this might impact canopy or airfiber gps-timed links.

Re: [AFMUG] Non Pen roof mounts? Where do you guys get them?

[Randy Cosby]

bairdmounts.com for anything heavier than a single SM.  Good prices, 
great quality.




On 7/8/2015 11:07 AM, Jeremy wrote:

Skywalker sells them for cheap.

On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 2:05 PM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com 
mailto:af...@kwisp.com wrote:


Nello from places like Tessco.
If you want a small one with a 1.66” pipe, I have used these:
http://www.aisatellite.com/files/product/pdf/NPR-18C3.pdf
I’m not sure I’d put a dish on it in a high wind area.
*From:* Sam Lambie mailto:samtaos...@gmail.com
*Sent:* Tuesday, July 07, 2015 2:23 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Subject:* [AFMUG] Non Pen roof mounts? Where do you guys get them?
I have to use 10 of them for an upcoming project. Usually I make
them my self as they aren't in high demand. This is for Cambium or
UBNT radios with a dish and four cinderblocks.

-- 
-- 
*Sam Lambie*

Taosnet Wireless Tech.
575-758-7598 tel:575-758-7598 Office
www.Taosnet.com http://www.newmex.com

[AFMUG] Hot..

[Randy Cosby]

110+ temperatures are getting old.  Someone send us a little rain and 
we'll send you a little heat and we'll all be happy.


http://tinyurl.com/pol48qz

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InfoWest, Inc.

Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Powerbox

[Randy Cosby]

They are designed in Latvia, but are they made there?


On 6/17/2015 2:47 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:

You would hope... it would seem slightly inefficient to go the other way.

On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 3:33 PM, Josh Luthman 
j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:


Atlantic I'm sure.  Why would it use the other 3/4 of the globe???


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343
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Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 4:25 PM, Christopher Tyler
ch...@totalhighspeed.net mailto:ch...@totalhighspeed.net wrote:

I heard they were somewhere on the the ocean. Not sure which
one though (Pacific or Atlantic).

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- Original Message -
From: Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com
mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com
To: af af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2015 3:16:58 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mikrotik Powerbox

I don't think they're shipping yet. We got a few of the first
ones, but
they appear to have discontinued those and replaced them with
a new version
- which doesn't appear to be shipping yet.

On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 3:12 PM, Jason McKemie 
j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com
mailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com wrote:

 Anyone know if these are available, and if so who has stock?
Thanks.

 Jason

[AFMUG] Crown Castle - Propagation Testing

[Randy Cosby]

We're looking to build a tower that is near an existing Crown Castle 
(formerly ATT) tower.  The landlord, a city, has a contract with Crown 
Castle that states in part:


/Landlord agrees not to sell, lease or use any areas of the Property  
or immediately Surrounding Property for the installation, operation or 
maintenance of other wireless communications facilities if such 
installation, operation or maintenance would interfere with Tenant’s 
Permitted Use or communications equipment as determined by radio 
propagation tests performed by Tenant in its sole discretion, any such 
testing to be at the expense of Landlord or Landlord’s prospective 
purchaser and not Tenant.


/Crown Castle suggested that the city have us do the study directly 
using a third party, Waterford Consultants.


What's involved in a study like this?  Is there anything we can do 
ourselves?


Randy

[AFMUG] ARC wireless eXsite dish

[Randy Cosby]

I got a couple ARC Wireless eXsite 30dBi dishes to try out on a Airfiber 
5X link.  Their site (http://www.antennas.com/dish-antennas-2/) claims 
the polarization is Dual Linear – V and H (can be adjusted for Dual 
Slant +/- 45°) Since UBNT's dual-slant dishes are not widely available 
yet, I decided to give a pair of these a try.


No instructions were included on how to change them to dual slant. 
Anyone tried a pair of these?  There are some tiny allen-wrench type 
screws that look like might do the trick, but I don't want to mess 
something up trying.   I can of course use the radios without 
dual-slant, but would like to give it a try.


Thanks!

Re: [AFMUG] AirMax AC PtMP

[Randy Cosby]

Incredible in clean spectrum areas.  Tough where 5.8 is congested 
(almost everywhere).  Seems solid and performs well overall.




On 5/7/2015 12:23 PM, Jason McKemie wrote:
For those of you using this (particularly with the airprism AP), how 
is it working so far?

Re: [AFMUG] Looks like a great deal on a backup gen

[Randy Cosby]

I saw something similar at Costco the other day, a little bigger:

http://www.costco.com/Champion-7000W-Running--9000W-Peak-DUAL-FUEL-Generator-wElectric-Start.product.100112008.html



On 4/27/2015 5:52 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:


http://www.ebay.com/itm/DuroMax-XP4850EH-Hybrid-Portable-Dual-Fuel-Propane-Gas-Camping-RV-Generator/171503114601?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item27ee61d969

Adam

Re: [AFMUG] That's a lot of towers

[Randy Cosby]

I can't even get my head around the scale of things in places like China 
and India.



On 4/8/2015 11:59 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:

http://www.telecomramblings.com/2015/04/china-tower-could-take-control-of-1m-towers/



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Re: [AFMUG] Low Voltage Disconnect

[Randy Cosby]

For some solar sites, we'll use a Morningstar Tristar MPPT 60 as the 
charger, then a Morningstar Tristar TS-60 (non-mppt) in LVD mode. Price 
isn't too bad and you can set the voltage points with dip switches.



On 4/8/2015 12:44 PM, Christopher Tyler wrote:

Looking for recommendations on a 24v LVD to protect our batteries from being 
drained.
Anyone have one they recommend?

[AFMUG] Smart Meters - not so smart?

[Randy Cosby]

http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2015/03/30/stockton-smart-meters-explode-after-truck-causes-power-surge/

Would dumb meters have been able to better handle the surge? Amazing 
nobody got killed.

Re: [AFMUG] airFiber 5X POE voltage range

[Randy Cosby]

I'm curious about the low power draw.  Does the 5X keep a constant data 
stream going like the AF24?


On 3/25/2015 10:25 AM, Mathew Howard wrote:
Excellent! 28 VDC should be high enough to run directly off batteries 
without letting any smoke out.


On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 11:21 AM, Chuck Macenski ch...@macenski.com 
mailto:ch...@macenski.com wrote:


Hi,

We support between 20 - 28 VDC with a power draw of 15W.

Chuck

On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 10:57 AM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com
mailto:jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote:

According to this post in UBNT Air Fiber stories, the AF5X
uses 9.5W at 24V.

https://community.ubnt.com/t5/airFiber-Stories/AF5X-on-14-1-mile-link-420Mbps-Capacity/cns-p/1198949

On Sun, Mar 22, 2015 at 7:03 PM, Jeremy
jeremysmi...@gmail.com mailto:jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote:

We just install a RSD-300B-24 on all of our sites and then
feed that into the fuse block.  They are like a hundred
bucks.  I don't like feeding 28.3v into anything 24v.

On Sun, Mar 22, 2015 at 1:09 PM, Bill Prince
part15...@gmail.com mailto:part15...@gmail.com wrote:

It would be nice to know if it could handle 25, 26,
27, 28, or 29 volts.

A lot of us have solar and/or DC plant installations
that use unregulated 24 volts. So bulk charging could
be up around 28+ volts. In the past, we've resorted to
installing a DC-DC converter to ensure that
sensitive equipment does not let the smoke out (UBNT
is on my shit list as being mostly sensitive).

I like keeping my POPs simple, but I also do not like
to let the smoke out.

bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com

On 3/22/2015 11:53 AM, Chuck Macenski wrote:

Hi,

I do not know the voltage spec off the top of my
head; we really only support the included 24V PoE. I
do know that 48V is too high and will not work. At
24V, I believe the power draw is under 15 Watts; that
consumption goes up if the supplied voltage drops
significantly below 24V.

Chuck

On Sun, Mar 22, 2015 at 10:48 AM, Ken Hohhof
af...@kwisp.com mailto:af...@kwisp.com wrote:

Well, it’s a fairly straightforward question.
Whereas they could feel the Tx and Rx specs
depend on a lot of factors, making the question
complicated to answer.
So let’s try.
Chuck, Ben, or whoever from the airFiber team at
Ubiquiti reads this list. Pretty please, could
you tell us the min/max POE voltage for the
airFiber 5X?
If nothing else, those of us who are OK with 24V
nominal probably would like to know if 30V would
let the magic smoke out, since we have DC sites
where the radios run off batteries.
*From:* Mike Hammett mailto:af...@ics-il.net
*Sent:* Sunday, March 22, 2015 10:28 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line
They won't even tell you the Tx power or RX
sensitivity, so voltage range I'm sure is out of
the question.



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*From: *Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com
mailto:af...@kwisp.com
*To: *af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Sunday, March 22, 2015 10:25:16 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line

Mike, have you asked them for a voltage spec? If
it turned out to accept 20-60V you’d probably
change your mind and say that is brilliant.
*From:* Jeremy mailto:jeremysmi...@gmail.com
*Sent:* Sunday, March 22, 2015 10:05 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] splain the AC ubnt line
24v works way better for me.  All my sites are
24v.  I have to upconvert to 48v when 

[AFMUG] Eltek Smartpack - reset password?

[Randy Cosby]

Anyone know how to reset the admin password on an Eltek Smartpack?

[AFMUG] UBNT OET action

[Randy Cosby]

Looks like the AirFiber 5X just got OET approval - 5160-5245, 5255-5324, 
5475-5720, 5730-5845.


The powerbeams and AC stuff can't be far behind, right?

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Re: [AFMUG] UBNT OET action

[Randy Cosby]

I know.

Any day now.  I'm sure.  I'm betting on April 1.


On 3/6/2015 11:15 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:

Two totally different products.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
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Troy, OH 45373

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Looks like the AirFiber 5X just got OET approval - 5160-5245,
5255-5324, 5475-5720, 5730-5845.

The powerbeams and AC stuff can't be far behind, right?

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Re: [AFMUG] 711Mhz carrier?

[Randy Cosby]

You can request a build of the UBNT AirOS that changes the clock rate.  
We've had to do that on towers near Verizon.



On 2/25/2015 2:55 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

With the UBNT equipment, it's the clock rate of the CPU.



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*From: *Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Monday, February 23, 2015 4:59:36 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] 711Mhz carrier?

-87 sounds like a big deal to me if your RSSI comes in around -100 or so.

That said, isn't the IF on Dragonwave in the 900 MHz band?�

I would not expect the Redline to have an IF at all.

bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com

On 2/23/2015 2:08 PM, Peter Kranz wrote:

Had an ATT contractor show up at one of our datacenter sites
today and claim that one of our radio systems was emitting a
carrier at 711Mhz and he pointed at where we have a Dragonwave
Compact 18Ghz system and Redline AN-80i 5Ghz system mounted on the
building.

�

711Mhz doesn�t sound like an IF of either of these systems to
me, but I�ve got tickets in with the equipment manuf. It looks
like they are some 3^rd party ATT has sweeping buildings
downtown. Anyone dealt with these guys before? He told me he
measured a -87 with his directional antenna 10 feet away from the
equipment and acted like that was a really big deal, sounds like a
pretty low level to me honestly. Anyone know what the legal limits
for spurious emissions are in the 700-800Mhz band?

�

*Peter Kranz
*Founder/CEO - Unwired Ltd
www.UnwiredLtd.com http://www.unwiredltd.com/
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[AFMUG] OT: SWOT

[Randy Cosby]

http://www.nbcnews.com/pages/weathermen

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[AFMUG] Port shutdown - this can't be good

[Randy Cosby]

http://www.nbcnews.com/business/economy/west-coast-ports-could-shut-down-days-cripple-asia-trade-n300701

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Re: [AFMUG] Alvarion- 2.5Ghz WIMAX network 75 sites

[Randy Cosby]

Openrange?

On 1/27/2015 4:08 PM, Peter Kranz wrote:


Lots of junk, but lots of nice Eltek 48V flatpacks..

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Desk: 510-868-1614 x100
Mobile: 510-207-
pkr...@unwiredltd.com mailto:pkr...@unwiredltd.com

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Colin Stanners
*Sent:* Monday, January 26, 2015 9:11 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* [AFMUG] Alvarion- 2.5Ghz WIMAX network 75 sites

http://www.ebay.com/itm/111065551821

Get it while it's hot! Only $375K



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[AFMUG] Reid's Section 179 revival on the ropes

[Randy Cosby via Af]

Veto threat derails Reid tax deal

By Bernie Becker - 11/25/14 02:46 PM EST

The White House on Tuesday threatened to veto an emerging deal that 
would restore several lapsed tax breaks, bringing into the open tensions 
between President Obama and the top Senate Democrat.


http://thehill.com/policy/finance/225318-congress-closes-in-on-tax-break-agreement



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[AFMUG] Dymo label printers

[Randy Cosby via Af]

Does anyone use the Dymo Rhino label printers?  I got one and love it -- 
except for trying to peel the backing off labels.  It's a real pain and 
I end up ruining quite a few by stretching them or getting adhesive on 
my fingers then on the front of the label.   Any tricks I haven't 
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Re: [AFMUG] Dymo label printers

[Randy Cosby via Af]

Vinyl 3/8 labels with the split in the middle.  My middle split never 
seems to come apart without using a fingernail or something similar.


On 11/25/2014 12:27 PM, CARL PETERSON via Af wrote:
We have one.  Do your labels have the split down the center of the 
backing?  We just pinch the two edges together until the backing 
splits and then peel it off.  Which labels are you using in it?


On Nov 25, 2014, at 2:09 PM, Randy Cosby via Af af@afmug.com 
mailto:af@afmug.com wrote:


Does anyone use the Dymo Rhino label printers?  I got one and love it 
-- except for trying to peel the backing off labels.  It's a real 
pain and I end up ruining quite a few by stretching them or getting 
adhesive on my fingers then on the front of the label.   Any tricks I 
haven't figured out?

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Re: [AFMUG] Dymo label printers

[Randy Cosby via Af]

I'll try to do that, want to make a YouTube video? :)


On 11/25/2014 12:34 PM, Caleb Knauer via Af wrote:
Yeah we use them a lot.  It's hard to explain how I do it, but there's 
a bit of a trick to it.  Basically I put one end, print side down, on 
the tip of my index finger (so it will make a little U shape) and hold 
it down with the thumb of same hand.  The I push down with my other 
hand thumb nail and sweep across it until I can catch the middle split 
edge and get it started.

Re: [AFMUG] Non-Penetrating Roof Mount 10-20 feet talkk

[Randy Cosby via Af]

Another possibility: 
http://www.sitepro1.com/store/cart.php?m=product_listc=46 Non-pen tripod.



On 10/23/2014 4:31 PM, Darin Steffl via Af wrote:

Hey guys,

What is your recommendation for a non-penetrating mount for the 10-20 
foot range that can support 2-3 sectors in the 10-20 foot range and a 
few 16 dishes down around 6 feet? Up to 10 feet we could use  Rigid 
or IMC conduit but this probably makes more sense to use small tower 
(Rohn) sections? Let me know your thoughts.  Thanks


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Re: [AFMUG] Non-Penetrating Roof Mount 10-20 feet talkk

[Randy Cosby via Af]

And another option I found in the handy-dandy Rohn catalog I picked up 
last week:


http://www.rohnnet.com/rohn-25g-ballast-roof-mount


On 10/23/2014 4:47 PM, Eric Kuhnke via Af wrote:
pretty much any regular non penetrating mount is going to have a max 
height of 10', taller than that would have to be custom fabricated.


https://www.bairdmounts.com/products/wireless/by-mount-type/Non-Penetrating-Roof-Mounts-%28NPRM%29?mtid=2


On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 3:44 PM, Randy Cosby via Af af@afmug.com 
mailto:af@afmug.com wrote:


Another possibility:
http://www.sitepro1.com/store/cart.php?m=product_listc=46 Non-pen
tripod.



On 10/23/2014 4:31 PM, Darin Steffl via Af wrote:

Hey guys,

What is your recommendation for a non-penetrating mount for the
10-20 foot range that can support 2-3 sectors in the 10-20 foot
range and a few 16 dishes down around 6 feet? Up to 10 feet we
could use  Rigid or IMC conduit but this probably makes more
sense to use small tower (Rohn) sections? Let me know your
thoughts.  Thanks

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Re: [AFMUG] UBNT airview won't run

[Randy Cosby via Af]

Not using wildcards are you?  They don't work.

On 10/21/2014 3:49 PM, Craig Baird via Af wrote:
I tried entering exceptions (as http://x.x.x.x as well as 
https://x.x.x.x).  No go.  Still gives the same error.


Craig


Quoting Jason Pond via Af af@afmug.com:


This is with the latest Java update just happened to me about 10 minutes
ago.  You have to add the IP to the exception list as http://x.x.x.x  
then
click OK go to Configure Java in search under start menu.  Then click 
the

security tab and add exception.

It is a real pain.

Sincerely,

Jason Pond
Grizzly Internet, Inc

On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 3:38 PM, timothy steele via Af af@afmug.com 
wrote:


I have not seen that issue but I use Firefox for UBNT stuff.. There 
where

bug  fixes for that in 5.6 beta5 I think you might try that

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On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 5:36 PM, Craig Baird via Af af@afmug.com 
wrote:



Is Airview giving anyone else Java related grief? I've got 5.5.10 on
the radio, and when trying to run Airview, it pops an Unable to
launch error. I've googled for solutions, and so far nothing pans
out. Using the latest Java 8. In the past, it appears that the
solution to this problem was to drop Java security to medium. Oracle
appears to have removed that option in recent versions. Now you can
only select High or Very High. However, you're supposed to be
able to accomplish the same thing by putting the URL into the
exception list. I've done that, but to no avail. I've also tried it
on a PC running Java 7 with the same results.

Does anyone have a solution to this?

Craig













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Re: [AFMUG] VoIP Termination Providers

[Randy Cosby via Af]

Have you looked at SIPRoutes?

On 10/13/2014 10:02 AM, Nate Burke via Af wrote:
I'm looking for a backup termination provider to VoIP Innovations, so 
that if VI has an issue, customers can still make outbound calls.  I 
know there are Thousands out there, Just looking for good/bad/ugly 
experiences with any of them.  Or if you're really happy with one.


I'm hitting my VI minimums just in inbound calling, so I could route 
all outbound traffic through a different provider if they require 
monthly minimums.


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Re: [AFMUG] Trango coming back to unlicensed pmp/ptp with AC based system

[Randy Cosby via Af]

You might just have to get back into the business if it does.

Z!

On 10/13/2014 4:18 PM, Travis Johnson via Af wrote:

Does it have an LED display? :))

Travis

On 10/13/2014 4:08 PM, Gino Villarini via Af wrote:

https://www.trangosys.com/news/introducing-new-altum-ac-outdoor-5x-ghz-wireless-system-integrated-wi-fi



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[AFMUG] Pulling lots of cable through 2 conduit

[Randy Cosby via Af]

I have a project that has about 50 feet of 2 metal conduit running to 
the top of a water tank.  There are two large-radius bends in the 
conduit.   We want to pull as many cat5e cables as possible.  We'll need 
at least 18.


I found this table and compared the size of UBNT Toughcable.  It looks 
to be in the same size range as the GigaLAN Cat6E cable, about .24.  
Based on their table, we should be able to pull 27 cables through.


How would you pull a bundle like that?  What do you use to attach the 
cables together before pulling?   Just electrical tape?  Any other 
suggestions?


There are actually two conduits, but we will need to put some coax in 
the second one, but should have room for a few more ethernet cables as 
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Re: [AFMUG] Pulling lots of cable through 2 conduit

[Randy Cosby via Af]

Thanks for the tips.
I forgot to link to the table.  How many cat6 cables did you pull? Does 
this table look realistic or overly conservative?


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I've done a number of long pulls in 2 conduit with cat6 shielded (and 
electrical too) you can make the pull go much easier if you:


-Stagger the cables and have at least one about 24 longer than the 
rest, loop that one cable back and tape it to a bundle of 2 or 3 other 
cables, tape smaller bundles together and then those


bundles to the others until you've taped them all down around 12 to 
18 beyond the last bundle or shortest cables. You should end up with 
a  tapered end with a nice solid loop at the end.


-If you use jet line or pulling tape, incorporate that into your 
bundles by wrapping it around and taping it off with the other 
bundles, this is usually done with the primary bundle (the one with 
the loop).  If you have a pulling sleeve w/ swivel, use it, very handy.


-Wire lube is helpful but I only use it if I'm pulling the max number 
of cables for that conduit size and/or there are more than a couple bends


-Having someone 'push' the bundle through is as important as the 
person pulling, coordinating the pull / push process is also helpful.


Mike Greene

Rock Island Technology Solutions

360-378-5884 x201

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Randy Cosby via Af
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I have a project that has about 50 feet of 2 metal conduit running to 
the top of a water tank.  There are two large-radius bends in the 
conduit.   We want to pull as many cat5e cables as possible.  We'll 
need at least 18.


I found this table and compared the size of UBNT Toughcable.  It looks 
to be in the same size range as the GigaLAN Cat6E cable, about .24.  
Based on their table, we should be able to pull 27 cables through.


How would you pull a bundle like that?  What do you use to attach the 
cables together before pulling?   Just electrical tape?  Any other 
suggestions?


There are actually two conduits, but we will need to put some coax in 
the second one, but should have room for a few more ethernet cables as 
well.


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Re: [AFMUG] Pulling lots of cable through 2 conduit

[Randy Cosby via Af]

I'm not following you on the tape  recommendation.  How do you keep the 
bundle together if you remove the tape before it goes into the conduit?  
Do you tape at regular intervals then remove the tape as just before it 
hits the conduit?


Randy



On 10/9/2014 11:41 AM, Mark Radabaugh via Af wrote:

Lube, Lube, and more Lube :-)

Down is a lot easier than up.

It's absolutely critical to keep the cables very neat as they go into 
the conduit.  Twist them up and it's not going to work. Tape them  
neatly ahead of time but DON'T let the tape go in the conduit.   Have 
the helper take it off right before it goes in.


One cable is the leader - make it about 4' longer than the rest, 
double it back and very securely tape it into the bigger bundle.   Use 
that loop to pull with.   This should work fine for a short run.   If 
your going much farther you want to use a pulling sock.


Mark

On 10/9/14, 12:48 PM, Randy Cosby via Af wrote:
I have a project that has about 50 feet of 2 metal conduit running 
to the top of a water tank.  There are two large-radius bends in the 
conduit.   We want to pull as many cat5e cables as possible.  We'll 
need at least 18.


I found this table and compared the size of UBNT Toughcable.  It 
looks to be in the same size range as the GigaLAN Cat6E cable, about 
.24.  Based on their table, we should be able to pull 27 cables through.


How would you pull a bundle like that?  What do you use to attach the 
cables together before pulling?   Just electrical tape?  Any other 
suggestions?


There are actually two conduits, but we will need to put some coax in 
the second one, but should have room for a few more ethernet cables 
as well.


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Re: [AFMUG] Pulling lots of cable through 2 conduit

[Randy Cosby via Af]

It's not rated for gigabit.


On 10/9/2014 11:51 AM, CARL PETERSON via Af wrote:
Why not just pull one 100 pair OSP?  That should equal 25 individual 
runs.


http://www.superioressex.com/uploadedFiles/Communications_Cable/Product_Information/Premises_Copper/MEGAPIC_CAT5.pdf


Carl Peterson
*PORT NETWORKS*
401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553
Baltimore, MD 21202
(410) 637-3707

On Oct 9, 2014, at 12:48 PM, Randy Cosby via Af af@afmug.com 
mailto:af@afmug.com wrote:


I have a project that has about 50 feet of 2 metal conduit running 
to the top of a water tank.  There are two large-radius bends in the 
conduit.   We want to pull as many cat5e cables as possible.  We'll 
need at least 18.


I found this table and compared the size of UBNT Toughcable.  It 
looks to be in the same size range as the GigaLAN Cat6E cable, about 
.24.  Based on their table, we should be able to pull 27 cables through.


How would you pull a bundle like that?  What do you use to attach the 
cables together before pulling?   Just electrical tape?  Any other 
suggestions?


There are actually two conduits, but we will need to put some coax in 
the second one, but should have room for a few more ethernet cables 
as well.


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Re: [AFMUG] Purchasing another WISP

[Randy Cosby via Af]

Be sure to shut your mic off if you're not on the air :)


On 10/8/2014 1:29 PM, Dennis Burgess via Af wrote:


We just went though a great ISP Radio episode with Jeff Kohler from 
Jab Wireless on Acquisitions!  Check out the download!


Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc.

den...@linktechs.net mailto:den...@linktechs.net -- 314-735-0270 -- 
www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net


*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jerry 
Richardson (airCloud) via Af

*Sent:* Wednesday, October 08, 2014 1:06 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Purchasing another WISP

It's all in how you manage the changes.

Send a letter welcoming them to the family. Outline some of the steps 
you have taken to improve service, and that your company takes a very 
proactive approach to network monitoring, uptime, and performance. Let 
them know how to get customer support and how to contact your various 
departments. Taking these steps will increase retention, and sets the 
tone for what they can expect from their new provider.


Additionally, describe the new plan options are and what plan they 
will be transferred to. If someone doesn't like their new plan, let 
them know what the upgrade options are. They can choose to upgrade or 
go somewhere else.


On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 10:02 AM, That One Guy via Af af@afmug.com 
mailto:af@afmug.com wrote:


Take a page out of JABs handbook and just tell them to go ^%$ 
themselves if they dont like it


On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 12:01 PM, Mathew Howard via Af af@afmug.com 
mailto:af@afmug.com wrote:


I would probably just match it to the rest of your system. my guess is 
the majority of them won't even notice the difference... if you've 
cleaned up a lot of self interference issues, a lot of them will 
likely work better than they did before with the all the self 
interference issues. You probably will get a few that are mad they 
can't get 10mbps on a speed test at 2am anymore though...




*From:*Af [af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] on 
behalf of Glen Waldrop via Af [af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com]

*Sent:* Wednesday, October 08, 2014 11:51 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Subject:* [AFMUG] Purchasing another WISP

I just bought another WISP, negotiating with another.

The previous owners set up the system using Rocket M900 using 20MHz 
channels on everything, stomping all over itself and everyone else in 
the band. I changed that, did my best to stop the self interference, 
smaller channels, etc...


This was just a tiny bit of back story to show what I've gotten myself 
in to.


Everyone has unlimited access to their 10Mb fiber, which I have 
replaced by tying it into my network.


There was no traffic shaping, no speed limits, no QoS. Most of them 
aren't heavy users, just a couple that run torrents 24/7. The P2P 
folks have been limited already. Not terribly worried about upsetting 
them.


I'm a bit concerned I'm going to anger my new customers by matching 
the same config I have for my system of 1Mb/4Mb.


How did/would you guys handle situations like this? My main QoS at the 
edge prevents any one person from hogging all the bandwidth.


I'm currently torn between QoS at the tower and uncapping the CPE or 
limiting the CPE as I've always done.




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Re: [AFMUG] MARRIOTT TO PAY $600, 000 TO RESOLVE WIFI-BLOCKING INVESTIGATION

[Randy Cosby via Af]

Tim,

The lists doesn't show sender email addresses.  Are you with the FCC?

Randy

On 10/3/2014 11:45 AM, Hardy, Tim via Af wrote:


More information about impermissible Wi-Fi blocking or jamming 
practices is available at


www.fcc.gov/jammers. If you would like additional information about 
Wi-Fi blocking, you may email us at


jammeri...@fcc.gov.

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett via Af
*Sent:* Friday, October 03, 2014 1:42 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] MARRIOTT TO PAY $600, 000 TO RESOLVE 
WIFI-BLOCKING INVESTIGATION


being a hotel might be the thing that made it a problem.  If an 
enterprise or hospital does it as a security measure, I have trouble 
believing that's illegal.


Marriott are dicks, but here's an interesting question...

broad spectrum 2.4 or 5 GHz jammers are illegal, yeah.

But is an 802.11-compliant device issuing deauth requests illegal,
if part-15 devices are supposed to accept any unwanted
interference and there's no recourse?

Provided that the device issuing deauth requests is operating
within spec for EIRP, channel plan, etc.

On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 10:27 AM, Hardy, Tim via Af af@afmug.com
mailto:af@afmug.com wrote:

https://apps.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-329743A1.docx

Re: [AFMUG] How frequently have you had a price increase?

[Randy Cosby via Af]

We've had good results with introducing new speed tiers, but asking 
customers to sign new contracts for a free upgrade.


For example, if you have a 5M/1M plan and you introduce a a new 7M/1M 
for the same price, or 10M/2M (double the speed!) for just $5 more, you 
will get a lot of upgraders as well as a lot of goodwill and better 
retention from those who stay at the same price but get more speed.


Where you have the market more locked up you may not be as concerned 
with the retention as we are.


Randy


On 10/4/2014 2:30 PM, Travis Johnson via Af wrote:
I think most customers are OK with a small increase (like $45 to $49). 
If you break into the $50 range, you may get some resistance.


You could always do up to 100Mbit for $49, since the speeds are up 
to anyway. ;)


Travis

On 10/4/2014 2:00 PM, Paul McCall via Af wrote:


We are thinking of raising our prices on our residential  basic 
plan.  Some of our customers have been on the same priced plan for 7 
years (or more).  Around $ 45 / month for up to 5Mbit/1Mbit.  
Probably 25% of those customers, we are the only good source for 
Internet.  The rest have varying levels of DSL or cable options.


Thinking of bumping those customers to $ 49.  Maybe a little more, 
haven't decided.


How do you handle price changes and/or on your customers on rolling 
contracts ?


Paul

Paul McCall, Pres.

PDMNet / Florida Broadband

658 Old Dixie Highway

Vero Beach, FL 32962

772-564-6800 office

772-473-0352 cell

www.pdmnet.com http://www.pdmnet.com/

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Re: [AFMUG] 477 filing - delayed?

[Randy Cosby via Af]

*http://www.fcc.gov/encyclopedia/form-477-resources-filers
*
The deadline for the submission of data as of June 30, 2014 has been 
extended 
https://apps.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-14-1409A1.pdf beyond 
October 1. Once the site reopens, we will announce the new filing deadline.


*If I'm ever late on my 477, do you think they'll accept temporarily 
unavailable due to technical issues from me?



*
On 9/29/2014 11:45 AM, Jay Weekley via Af wrote:

And still down.

Patrick Wheeland via Af wrote:

I have one last form to submit and it's still down.  :-/


On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 2:54 PM, Randy Cosby via Af af@afmug.com 
mailto:af@afmug.com wrote:



The Form 477 filing interface is temporarily unavailable. We have
identified an issue that developed on September 25, 2014 and are
working to fix the problem and reopen the site as soon as
possible. We apologize for the inconvenience

https://apps2.fcc.gov/



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Re: [AFMUG] rocket ac lite performance

[Randy Cosby via Af]

mailto:triadwireless@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *TJ
Trout via Af
*Sent:* Monday, September 22, 2014 6:39 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Subject:* [AFMUG] rocket ac lite performance

�

How are the rocket AC's performing for you guys?
Throughput? Bugs?



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Re: [AFMUG] rocket ac lite performance

[Randy Cosby via Af]

The last 5.6-dev I got a few weeks ago had ebola.

Are you seeing any better performance in 5.5.10B3 vs 5.6b4?

Randy



On 9/24/2014 10:19 AM, Josh Reynolds via Af wrote:
There's a 5.5.10b3 out that fixes some issues with 5.5.10b2 as well as 
still allows the new lower band. 5.6b4 isout, and as always there are 
some -dev firmwares floating around...


Running a mix of b2, b3, and 5.6-dev...

Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer
SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com

On 09/24/2014 08:14 AM, Randy Cosby via Af wrote:
What firmware are you running onthe XW Ti's?  We've been using 5.6B4, 
but it hasn't been updated in a long time.  Earlier revisions had 
lots of issues.



On 9/24/2014 10:07 AM, Josh Reynolds via Af wrote:
We're doing OKAY on the XW Ti's, they do handle the load better. 50+ 
subsper. Wish they had airmax offloading ofcourse. We do block 
torrents/magnet links though.This forces all torrent traffic to go 
through VPNs, which is fine by us as it doesn't cause a negative 
impact on the network.


Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer
SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com

On 09/24/2014 04:26 AM, Rory Conaway via Af wrote:


Ya, I don’t’ think so.  If you use Ubiquiti you pretty much 
know what works and what doesn’t.  in reality, you use as few  
custom features as possible outside 802.11 compatibility and limit 
the radios to Layer 2 bridges or nothing more than NAT whenever 
possible. Try not to use any of the customer features although 
AirMax seems to be working pretty well.   You just don’t want to 
add anything that adds to processor overhead on an AP for Rocket 
M5’s if you have a higher density.  When the Titanium’s tanked a 
couple years ago, there was a huge hole in any kind of AP product 
with the ability to handle density due to the processor but nobody 
filled it.  It still hasn’t been filled to my satisfaction meaning 
we aren’t replacing Rocket 5M’s any time soon and we are keeping 
them at 50 users or less for another few months.  However, NetFlix 
and video streaming means we are pushing that down to a planned 30 
over the next couple of months. That numbers are just estimates but 
somewhere between 30-50 under heavy video streaming usage and 
AirMax will start causing issues.


If you allow torrents or anything that opens up a massive number of 
connections, then the number of users per AP drops significantly 
which is why we run filtering on the back end to reduce that.  I’ve 
seen APs with less than 30 go apoplectic with a couple of wild 
torrent users.


Rory

*From:*Af [mailto:af-bounces+rory=triadwireless@afmug.com] *On 
Behalf Of *That One Guy via Af

*Sent:* Tuesday, September 23, 2014 11:47 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] rocket ac lite performance

:-) the ubntboys tend to not be all that informed they blindly 
swear by whatever the spec sheets and feature notices tell them


On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 12:44 AM, Josh Reynolds via Af 
af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote:


For the first question, I have no idea, since the only released 
radios are PtP at this time. Pretty hard to tell.


For the second one, ubntboys (at least the informed ones) don't 
run airsync, because they know it doesn't work well. :)


Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer
SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com

On 09/23/2014 09:06 PM, That One Guy via Af wrote:

does it work? or does it work in ubntboys eyes like airsync?

On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 11:12 PM, Josh Reynolds via Af
af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com wrote:

For clarification for EVERYBODY reading this post, ALL AIRMAX
AC PRODUCTS HAVE AIRMAX OFFLOADING :)

Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer
SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com

On 09/23/2014 07:33 PM, Mathew Howard via Af wrote:

The ptp-lites do have airmax offloading? I thought they
didn't...

We've had a link running for awhile, but it's got some
noise issues, so it hasn't really been the best place to
test these... that said, they've been running fine without
any real problems that I've noticed.
�



*From:*Af [af-bounces+mathew=litewire@afmug.com
mailto:af-bounces+mathew=litewire@afmug.com] on
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mailto:af@afmug.com]
*Sent:* Tuesday, September 23, 2014 9:49 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] rocket ac lite performance

ptp lites are missing the internal shielding (i think?) as
well as airprism tech

they do have airmax offloading, but it's also a brand new
product line... some bugs are showing in the software

Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer
SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com

Re: [AFMUG] zen thought of the day

[Randy Cosby via Af]

Only if you first microwave both the injector and adapter for 1.5 
minutes on high.


On 9/22/2014 1:08 PM, Eric Kuhnke via Af wrote:
If you plug a power over ethernet injector into an 
ethernet-over-powerlines adapter, do you get infinite energy?






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Re: [AFMUG] Quick Poll: 477 Deployment Report

[Randy Cosby via Af]

I've heard Centurylink is challenging claimed coverage by WISP's in it's 
territory.



On 9/19/2014 3:04 PM, Adam Moffett via Af wrote:
Um yeah agreed.  I have 13,000 census blocks in my submission. Not 
hand filtering that.
I take solace in the fact that in the rural areas we're concerned 
about getting CAF funding Time Warner's reported coverage is more 
egregiously wrong than mine. :)



I filed with A, but now have data in hand for B.   My RF coverage 
(based on radiomobile) has 4X as many blocks as I reported with A.   
I could still go back and amend the report.


I would love to go hand-groom the list... but over 6800 blocks is a 
bit much unless I can do it visually.




On 9/19/2014 2:45 PM, Cameron Crum via Af wrote:
Line of sight viewsheds (which consider clutter) might be your 
better choice then instead of coverage maps. At least you know with 
LOS that you have a greater chance of providing service than with 
coverage maps as they tend to be rather subjective depending on what 
you consider acceptable coverage signal. I looked at both 
subscriber only blocks and blocks with simple reasonable radius 
from a tower for a couple of our wisps. The difference was 
significant. Since it could potentially mean that my customers get 
their networks overbuilt with fed money, I tend to lean towards the 
radius or coverage plot method which produces more blocks.


On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 3:35 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af af@afmug.com 
mailto:af@afmug.com wrote:


Reluctantly B.  The devil on one shoulder is still telling me A.
Actually, I am starting from A and manually approving every
addition from B.  It’s a lot of work and I probably won’t do it
every 6 months, but I’m asking in each case am I sure that I
could reach at least part of that census block, and if so, why
don’t I have any customers there yet?  I am more inclined to go
with RF coverage in new areas I’ve just built into.  If I’ve
been there 10 years and don’t have any customers in that block,
maybe I can’t cover it.  In some cases I find there are zero
buildings in the block, so if Frontier wants to get CAF money to
provide service there, more power to them.
I am probably being paranoid, but if I ever get challenged on
this, I want to have my ducks in a row.  Also I want to figure
out a way, even if I pay Brian or something, to turn this into a
coverage map and/or Google Earth overlay and use that as our
coverage map instead of RF coverage plots which I find lacking.
For some WISPs, this might be a good sales/marketing exercise. 
What are all the blocks where we have RF coverage but zero

customers?  Why no customers?  Nobody lives there?  Competitor
outguns me there?  Or just no word-of-mouth.  If so, maybe need
to send some postcards or knock on doors.
It should be possible to pull census statistics for each block
to see how many housing units and people the gov’t thinks are in
that block.  If there are 10 houses and 30 people in a block and
none of them are my customers, why not?
*From:* Randy Cosby via Af mailto:af@afmug.com
*Sent:* Friday, September 19, 2014 3:23 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Subject:* [AFMUG] Quick Poll: 477 Deployment Report
I'm curious how everyone is recording on their deployment report.

A: I am reporting every census block where I have a customer
B: I am reporting every census block that I can cover based on
my RF coverage maps
C: Not yet decided




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[AFMUG] battery tester

[Randy Cosby via Af]

Does anyone have a recommended battery tester for AGM and Gel batteries 
at solar sites?  I have batteries from 100AH to 225AH. Most of the 
automotive models seem to be concerned with cold cranking amps, pretty 
irrelevant for us.




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Re: [AFMUG] battery tester

[Randy Cosby via Af]

Sorry if I wasn't clear.  I meant the automotive type battery 
testers.   I'm looking for something more appropriate for solar batteries.


On 9/18/2014 1:20 PM, David via Af wrote:
Automotive batteries would degrade rapidly depending on what region 
your in.

We use only AGM for our area.

On 09/18/2014 02:06 PM, Randy Cosby via Af wrote:
Does anyone have a recommended battery tester for AGM and Gel 
batteries at solar sites?� I have batteries from 100AH to 225AH.� 
Most of the automotive models seem to be concerned with cold cranking 
amps, pretty irrelevant for us.




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Re: [AFMUG] battery tester

[Randy Cosby via Af]

Nope, PC -  Thunderbird.

On 9/18/2014 2:22 PM, Bill Prince via Af wrote:
You must be on a Mac.� Those things always seem to be inserting 
weird characters.


bp
On 9/18/2014 12:32 PM, Randy Cosby via Af wrote:
Sorry if I wasn't clear.� I meant the automotive type battery 
testers.�� I'm looking for something more appropriate for solar 
batteries.


On 9/18/2014 1:20 PM, David via Af wrote:
Automotive batteries would degrade rapidly depending on what region 
your in.

We use only AGM for our area.

On 09/18/2014 02:06 PM, Randy Cosby via Af wrote:
Does anyone have a recommended battery tester for AGM and Gel 
batteries at solar sites?� I have batteries from 100AH to 
225AH.� Most of the automotive models seem to be concerned with 
cold cranking amps, pretty irrelevant for us.

Re: [AFMUG] battery tester

[Randy Cosby via Af]

Weird, Does this just happen on double  spaces?

On 9/18/2014 2:31 PM, Randy Cosby via Af wrote:

Nope, PC -� Thunderbird.

On 9/18/2014 2:22 PM, Bill Prince via Af wrote:
You must be on a Mac.� Those things always seem to be inserting 
weird characters.


bp
On 9/18/2014 12:32 PM, Randy Cosby via Af wrote:
Sorry if I wasn't clear.� I meant the automotive type battery 
testers.�� I'm looking for something more appropriate for solar 
batteries.


On 9/18/2014 1:20 PM, David via Af wrote:
Automotive batteries would degrade rapidly depending on what region 
your in.

We use only AGM for our area.

On 09/18/2014 02:06 PM, Randy Cosby via Af wrote:
Does anyone have a recommended battery tester for AGM and Gel 
batteries at solar sites?� I have batteries from 100AH to 
225AH.� Most of the automotive models seem to be concerned with 
cold cranking amps, pretty irrelevant for us.




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Re: [AFMUG] battery tester

[Randy Cosby via Af]

Ah, figured this out.  Batteries have been getting down to 20c around 
noon, temperature compensation of .12V per degree below 25c, 56.6V is 
where we top out.  Just right.




On 9/18/2014 3:35 PM, Randy Cosby via Af wrote:
Before anyone mentions it, I know some of these batteries are being 
charged too high. I have my charger (Tristar MPPT-60) set for gel 
battery voltages, and the combined voltage is supposed to top out at 
56v. It looks like we're getting a little higher than that, I need to 
figure out why.





On 9/18/2014 3:14 PM, Randy Cosby via Af wrote:

Getting back on topic (and trying to avoid double-spaces)...

I have two strings of four GEL batteries, all of them the same age. 
They are all being charged by the same solar panels/controller. 
Positive lead is connected to battery 1, negative to battery 4. Load 
is connected the same way. I am now monitoring each battery 
separately with a pair of sitemonitor 4-input modules.


One battery I know is bad - 1.1 (bank 1 battery 1). It drops under 
12v at night.


The graphs are puzzling to me.  The other batteries I'm not sure on. 
Each seems to have a different/profile slope when charging, but 
similar (but not identical) slope when discharging. Take a look:


https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4059343/graff%20voltage%20graps.png

Anyone care to venture a guess as to why we're seeing these differences?


On 9/18/2014 1:57 PM, Chuck McCown via Af wrote:

signature
Telemetry.  Just watch the slope of the discharge voltage at night.  
I have tried to use impedance meters several times at different 
companies and cannot get results that predict failures.
If you have a battery that should last several days, disconnect the 
solar panels and watch the telemetry.

*From:* Randy Cosby via Af mailto:af@afmug.com
*Sent:* Thursday, September 18, 2014 1:06 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Subject:* [AFMUG] battery tester
Does anyone have a recommended battery tester for AGM and Gel 
batteries at solar sites?  I have batteries from 100AH to 225AH.  
Most of the automotive models seem to be concerned with cold 
cranking amps, pretty irrelevant for us.




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Re: [AFMUG] Inactivity

[Randy Cosby via Af]

Butch,

Best of wishes to you in your recovery.  There are hazards in this 
industry that are not well understood or easily seen by others. Take 
care of yourself and be well.


Randy

On 9/17/2014 12:31 PM, Butch Evans via Af wrote:
I have been active on these lists (and others) since around 1997.  In 
the past 2 months, I have more or less dropped off all lists in terms 
of offering support and help.  I have been dealing with some personal 
issues over the past few months and wanted to let you folks know that 
I am still here and offering consulting support, though at a slightly 
reduced volume.


I am deeply saddened that I was unable to attend the MUM and will not 
be able to attend this year's WISPAPALOOZA.  My schedule will be more 
flexible in the coming months and I will be back at the shows next 
year.  While a number of you are customers, I look forward to these 
shows because you folks are also my friends.  I have missed the 
interaction with all of you on the lists and look forward to the time 
when I can return.  My mental/emotional state is improving and I 
expect that I will return to my normal level of activity on these 
lists very soon.


For those of you who didn't miss me at all...Not sure what to say, but 
I'm sticking my tongue out at you.  :-)





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[AFMUG] Tower search

[Randy Cosby via Af]

Any recommendations for an FCC tower search web site other than the FCC 
tower search web site?  I needto do a gps-based lookup to see what other 
users are listing for the Location Address at this location in the 
middle of nowhere.  The FCC site is going nowhere.



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