Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity

2018-04-20 Thread SmarterBroadband 
Sec sheet says;

2048QAM   -52
1024QAM   -56

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2018 5:40 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity

On 4/19/18 4:49 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:
> Dragonwave say 31dBm Tx power at 20148QAM on their new harmony HP in 18Ghz


With what RX sensitivity at those parameters?

Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity

2018-04-20 Thread SmarterBroadband 
Have done, both below 20 dBm

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jon Langeler
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2018 6:21 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity

 

Check Aviat and SIAE also 

Jon Langeler

Michwave Technologies, Inc.

 


On Apr 19, 2018, at 8:55 PM, SmarterBroadband <li...@sbb.net 
<mailto:li...@sbb.net> > wrote:

Yes, in so much as I don’t want to pay the extra $100 plus per month for each 
foot of dish…..

 

If there is a 2 foot solution I want to find it.   As I said Dragonwave will 
work but I don’t want to wait.

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2018 3:03 PM
To: Motorola III <af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity

 

Are you restricted in antenna size at both ends? If one could be larger, that 
would get you the range.




--

bp

part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com

 

On Thu, Apr 19, 2018 at 3:01 PM, Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com 
<mailto:part15...@gmail.com> > wrote:

I think he needs a bigger channel size than you can do in 6GHz.




--

bp

part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com

 

On Thu, Apr 19, 2018 at 2:52 PM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists <jeffl...@att.net 
<mailto:jeffl...@att.net> > wrote:

Yeah, I’m not aware of that change in 6GHz.

 

Have you checked with Comsearch to see about 11GHz.  Liz is my go-to, but 
Comsearch has access to information no one else seems to have.

Jeff Broadwick

CTIconnect

312-205-2519 Office

574-220-7826 Cell

jbroadw...@cticonnect.com <mailto:jbroadw...@cticonnect.com> 


On Apr 19, 2018, at 5:27 PM, Faisal Imtiaz <fai...@snappytelecom.net 
<mailto:fai...@snappytelecom.net> > wrote:

>>>Fcc changed the rules.  You can do 2’ in 6ghz now.

 

Can you please share the ref where and when this was changed ? 

 

Thanks.

 

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
http://www.snappytelecom.net

Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 
<mailto:supp...@snappytelecom.net> 

 


  _  


From: "Sean Heskett" <af...@zirkel.us <mailto:af...@zirkel.us> >
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2018 4:59:57 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity

Fcc changed the rules.  You can do 2’ in 6ghz now.

 

Why are you limited to 2’ dishes??

 

Can you do a 2’ and 3’ (or 4’)??

 

What you are trying to do breaks the laws of physics no matter who’s equipment 
you use.  

 

Sean

 

 

On Thu, Apr 19, 2018 at 1:42 PM SmarterBroadband <li...@sbb.net 
<mailto:li...@sbb.net> > wrote:

Love to but 11 GHz is all gone.   I don’t think you can do 2 foot dishes at 6 
GHz?

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> ] On Behalf 
Of Sean Heskett
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 3:51 PM


To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity

 

 

what rain zone are you in?

 

yes our link is in 18GHz

 

honestly if you need 1gbps with 4.5 nines with 2' dishes at 6 miles you 
probably need to look at 11GHz or 6GHz instead of 18GHz.

 

-sean

 

On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 4:08 PM, SmarterBroadband <li...@sbb.net 
<mailto:li...@sbb.net> > wrote:

Cambium 820's will be down to around 400 meg at 4.5 nines.

We want the link to hold 1 Gig at 4.5 nines.

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> ] On Behalf 
Of Bill Prince
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 2:53 PM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity

What does link planner say you need?

Five nines I presume?

bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

On 4/18/2018 1:12 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:

> Yes, looking at both.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> ] On 
> Behalf Of Seth Mattinen
> Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 12:44 PM
> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity
>
> On 4/18/18 12:31 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:
>> SAF seems to have the lowest output power I have seen….  Especially 
>> the G and GS.
>

> I would look at the RX sensitivity tables.
>

Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity

2018-04-20 Thread chuck 
Smaller (== lower gain) antennas are harder to measure FB due to the fact you 
have to measure a weaker signal on the range.  

For example, if you measure FB on an antenna that has a peak gain of 45 dB, 
then at the peak the signal is pretty strong and well into a nice area of your 
detector.  

As you swing the antenna around and start measuring sidelobes referenced to the 
peak,  going 60 dB down from that strong peak signal still leaves you in a nice 
functional area of the detector.  But on a small antenna that may have 25 dB of 
gain, all signals are 20 db down (compared to the bigger antenna) for all the 
sidelobes too as far as the detector is concerned.  

Trying to measure 60 dB down on a low gain antenna leaves you in the fuzzy 
bottom of detector sensitivity.  I would amp my tx antenna on the range and 
preamp my detectors and was always a bit unsure at 60 dB down on any antenna 
under 30dBi.  

The guys with their fancy indoor nearfield ranges can probably do it without 
problem.  

From: Tim Hardy 
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2018 9:18 AM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity

Yeah, I know that Commscope’s antennas are rigorously measured and tested on a 
range in Scotland - think the other guys just simulate the patterns using 
software.

Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity

2018-04-20 Thread Tim Hardy 
Yeah, I know that Commscope’s antennas are rigorously measured and tested
on a range in Scotland - think the other guys just simulate the patterns
using software.

Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity

2018-04-20 Thread chuck 
Getting 60 dB FB on a small dish at 6 GHz is terribly difficult to achieve.  It 
is terribly difficult to measure too

From: Tim Hardy 
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2018 6:37 AM
To: <af@afmug.com> 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity




Some clarification of the rules needed here.


1.  3 & 4 foot antennas are allowed in upper 6 GHz in certain areas.  In the 
late 70s / early 80s, the FCC designated congested areas in the 6.7 GHz band 
where Category A or better antennas must be used.  The Category A beamwidth and 
gain requirement cannot be met by antennas less than 6 foot in diameter.


2.  The minimum path length rule is also often misunderstood.  FCC Rule 101.143 
specifies 17 km for bands between 1850 and 7125 MHz and 5 km for bands between 
10550 and 13250 MHz.  But in both instances, shorter paths can be licensed as 
long as the EIRPs are limited as specified in paragraph B of the same rule 
part.  No exceptions for entities or waivers required.

3.  The smaller antennas that are now allowed in 6 GHz are required to meet 
Category B2 which has relaxed beamwidth and pattern requirements for angles 
less than 100 degrees and tighter requirements for angles greater than 100 
degrees.  The angles greater than 100 degrees must provide at least 60 dB of 
discrimination.  AFAIK, Commscope, RadioWaves and RFS are the only 
manufacturers that meet these requirements.




Tim


Message: 2
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2018 17:59:12 -0700
From: "SmarterBroadband" <li...@sbb.net>
To: <af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity
Message-ID: <060001d3d842$cbcff100$636fd300$@sbb.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Thanks.



I remember the 3 foot ruling.   Never heard of a 2 foot rule, and yes I had 
forgotten the minimum distance requirement.



It seems the 5Km rule is being ignored, I am sure people are reporting short 
links with AF11?..



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2018 3:29 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity



Yeah, no. The minimum diameter in the L6 band is 3-foot and >/=70dB F/B ratio. 
I believe only a few Radiowaves and Andrew/CommScope high-performance dishes 
meet that spec. I believe that was part of the same change that allowed 60MHz 
channel bandwidth.

The upper 6GHz band is still limited to 30MHz channels and 6-foot or larger 
antennas.

Also, the minimum path length for both lower and upper 6GHz bands is 17km. 
11GHz is 5km. I believe there are special considerations and waivers to this 
for things like public safety agencies and such.

Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity

2018-04-20 Thread Tim Hardy 


Some clarification of the rules needed here.

1.  3 & 4 foot antennas are allowed in upper 6 GHz in certain areas.  In the 
late 70s / early 80s, the FCC designated congested areas in the 6.7 GHz band 
where Category A or better antennas must be used.  The Category A beamwidth and 
gain requirement cannot be met by antennas less than 6 foot in diameter.

2.  The minimum path length rule is also often misunderstood.  FCC Rule 101.143 
specifies 17 km for bands between 1850 and 7125 MHz and 5 km for bands between 
10550 and 13250 MHz.  But in both instances, shorter paths can be licensed as 
long as the EIRPs are limited as specified in paragraph B of the same rule 
part.  No exceptions for entities or waivers required.

3.  The smaller antennas that are now allowed in 6 GHz are required to meet 
Category B2 which has relaxed beamwidth and pattern requirements for angles 
less than 100 degrees and tighter requirements for angles greater than 100 
degrees.  The angles greater than 100 degrees must provide at least 60 dB of 
discrimination.  AFAIK, Commscope, RadioWaves and RFS are the only 
manufacturers that meet these requirements.


Tim

Message: 2
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2018 17:59:12 -0700
From: "SmarterBroadband" <li...@sbb.net <mailto:li...@sbb.net>>
To: <af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity
Message-ID: <060001d3d842$cbcff100$636fd300$@sbb.net 
<mailto:060001d3d842$cbcff100$636fd300$@sbb.net>>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Thanks.



I remember the 3 foot ruling.   Never heard of a 2 foot rule, and yes I had 
forgotten the minimum distance requirement.



It seems the 5Km rule is being ignored, I am sure people are reporting short 
links with AF11?..



From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf 
Of George Skorup
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2018 3:29 PM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity



Yeah, no. The minimum diameter in the L6 band is 3-foot and >/=70dB F/B ratio. 
I believe only a few Radiowaves and Andrew/CommScope high-performance dishes 
meet that spec. I believe that was part of the same change that allowed 60MHz 
channel bandwidth.

The upper 6GHz band is still limited to 30MHz channels and 6-foot or larger 
antennas.

Also, the minimum path length for both lower and upper 6GHz bands is 17km. 
11GHz is 5km. I believe there are special considerations and waivers to this 
for things like public safety agencies and such.

Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity

2018-04-19 Thread Jon Langeler 
Check Aviat and SIAE also 

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.


> On Apr 19, 2018, at 8:55 PM, SmarterBroadband <li...@sbb.net> wrote:
> 
> Yes, in so much as I don’t want to pay the extra $100 plus per month for each 
> foot of dish…..
>  
> If there is a 2 foot solution I want to find it.   As I said Dragonwave will 
> work but I don’t want to wait.
>  
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2018 3:03 PM
> To: Motorola III <af@afmug.com>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity
>  
> Are you restricted in antenna size at both ends? If one could be larger, that 
> would get you the range.
> 
> 
> --
> bp
> part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
>  
> On Thu, Apr 19, 2018 at 3:01 PM, Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I think he needs a bigger channel size than you can do in 6GHz.
> 
> --
> bp
> part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
>  
> On Thu, Apr 19, 2018 at 2:52 PM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists <jeffl...@att.net> 
> wrote:
> Yeah, I’m not aware of that change in 6GHz.
>  
> Have you checked with Comsearch to see about 11GHz.  Liz is my go-to, but 
> Comsearch has access to information no one else seems to have.
> 
> Jeff Broadwick
> CTIconnect
> 312-205-2519 Office
> 574-220-7826 Cell
> jbroadw...@cticonnect.com
> 
> On Apr 19, 2018, at 5:27 PM, Faisal Imtiaz <fai...@snappytelecom.net> wrote:
> 
> >>>Fcc changed the rules.  You can do 2’ in 6ghz now.
>  
> Can you please share the ref where and when this was changed ?
>  
> Thanks.
>  
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> http://www.snappytelecom.net
> 
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
> 
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>  
> From: "Sean Heskett" <af...@zirkel.us>
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2018 4:59:57 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity
> Fcc changed the rules.  You can do 2’ in 6ghz now.
>  
> Why are you limited to 2’ dishes??
>  
> Can you do a 2’ and 3’ (or 4’)??
>  
> What you are trying to do breaks the laws of physics no matter who’s 
> equipment you use.  
>  
> Sean
>  
>  
> On Thu, Apr 19, 2018 at 1:42 PM SmarterBroadband <li...@sbb.net> wrote:
> Love to but 11 GHz is all gone.   I don’t think you can do 2 foot dishes at 6 
> GHz?
>  
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sean Heskett
> Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 3:51 PM
> 
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity
>  
>  
> what rain zone are you in?
>  
> yes our link is in 18GHz
>  
> honestly if you need 1gbps with 4.5 nines with 2' dishes at 6 miles you 
> probably need to look at 11GHz or 6GHz instead of 18GHz.
>  
> -sean
>  
> On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 4:08 PM, SmarterBroadband <li...@sbb.net> wrote:
> Cambium 820's will be down to around 400 meg at 4.5 nines.
> 
> We want the link to hold 1 Gig at 4.5 nines.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
> Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 2:53 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity
> 
> What does link planner say you need?
> 
> Five nines I presume?
> 
> bp
> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
> 
> On 4/18/2018 1:12 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:
> > Yes, looking at both.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 12:44 PM
> > To: af@afmug.com
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity
> >
> > On 4/18/18 12:31 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:
> >> SAF seems to have the lowest output power I have seen….  Especially 
> >> the G and GS.
> >
> > I would look at the RX sensitivity tables.
> >
> 
>  
>  
>

Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity

2018-04-19 Thread SmarterBroadband 
Thanks.

 

I remember the 3 foot ruling.   Never heard of a 2 foot rule, and yes I had 
forgotten the minimum distance requirement.

 

It seems the 5Km rule is being ignored, I am sure people are reporting short 
links with AF11…..

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2018 3:29 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity

 

Yeah, no. The minimum diameter in the L6 band is 3-foot and >/=70dB F/B ratio. 
I believe only a few Radiowaves and Andrew/CommScope high-performance dishes 
meet that spec. I believe that was part of the same change that allowed 60MHz 
channel bandwidth.

The upper 6GHz band is still limited to 30MHz channels and 6-foot or larger 
antennas.

Also, the minimum path length for both lower and upper 6GHz bands is 17km. 
11GHz is 5km. I believe there are special considerations and waivers to this 
for things like public safety agencies and such.

On 4/19/2018 4:27 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:

>>>Fcc changed the rules.  You can do 2’ in 6ghz now.

 

Can you please share the ref where and when this was changed ? 

 

Thanks.

 

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
http://www.snappytelecom.net

Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 
<mailto:supp...@snappytelecom.net> 

 


  _  


From: "Sean Heskett"  <mailto:af...@zirkel.us> <af...@zirkel.us>
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2018 4:59:57 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity

Fcc changed the rules.  You can do 2’ in 6ghz now.

 

Why are you limited to 2’ dishes??

 

Can you do a 2’ and 3’ (or 4’)??

 

What you are trying to do breaks the laws of physics no matter who’s equipment 
you use.  

 

Sean

 

 

On Thu, Apr 19, 2018 at 1:42 PM SmarterBroadband <li...@sbb.net 
<mailto:li...@sbb.net> > wrote:

Love to but 11 GHz is all gone.   I don’t think you can do 2 foot dishes at 6 
GHz?

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> ] On Behalf 
Of Sean Heskett
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 3:51 PM


To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity

 

 

what rain zone are you in?

 

yes our link is in 18GHz

 

honestly if you need 1gbps with 4.5 nines with 2' dishes at 6 miles you 
probably need to look at 11GHz or 6GHz instead of 18GHz.

 

-sean

 

On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 4:08 PM, SmarterBroadband <li...@sbb.net 
<mailto:li...@sbb.net> > wrote:

Cambium 820's will be down to around 400 meg at 4.5 nines.

We want the link to hold 1 Gig at 4.5 nines.

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> ] On Behalf 
Of Bill Prince
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 2:53 PM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity

What does link planner say you need?

Five nines I presume?

bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

On 4/18/2018 1:12 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:
> Yes, looking at both.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> ] On 
> Behalf Of Seth Mattinen
> Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 12:44 PM
> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity
>
> On 4/18/18 12:31 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:
>> SAF seems to have the lowest output power I have seen….  Especially 
>> the G and GS.
>

> I would look at the RX sensitivity tables.
>

Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity

2018-04-19 Thread SmarterBroadband 
Have not tried Comsearch, Liz says no 80 MHz channels.   30 and 40 MHz channels 
available but that wont do the throughput I need.

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick - Lists
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2018 2:53 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity

 

Yeah, I’m not aware of that change in 6GHz.

 

Have you checked with Comsearch to see about 11GHz.  Liz is my go-to, but 
Comsearch has access to information no one else seems to have.

Jeff Broadwick

CTIconnect

312-205-2519 Office

574-220-7826 Cell

jbroadw...@cticonnect.com <mailto:jbroadw...@cticonnect.com> 


On Apr 19, 2018, at 5:27 PM, Faisal Imtiaz <fai...@snappytelecom.net 
<mailto:fai...@snappytelecom.net> > wrote:

>>>Fcc changed the rules.  You can do 2’ in 6ghz now.

 

Can you please share the ref where and when this was changed ? 

 

Thanks.

 

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
http://www.snappytelecom.net

Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 
<mailto:supp...@snappytelecom.net> 

 


  _  


From: "Sean Heskett" <af...@zirkel.us <mailto:af...@zirkel.us> >
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2018 4:59:57 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity

Fcc changed the rules.  You can do 2’ in 6ghz now.

 

Why are you limited to 2’ dishes??

 

Can you do a 2’ and 3’ (or 4’)??

 

What you are trying to do breaks the laws of physics no matter who’s equipment 
you use.  

 

Sean

 

 

On Thu, Apr 19, 2018 at 1:42 PM SmarterBroadband <li...@sbb.net 
<mailto:li...@sbb.net> > wrote:

Love to but 11 GHz is all gone.   I don’t think you can do 2 foot dishes at 6 
GHz?

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> ] On Behalf 
Of Sean Heskett
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 3:51 PM


To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity

 

 

what rain zone are you in?

 

yes our link is in 18GHz

 

honestly if you need 1gbps with 4.5 nines with 2' dishes at 6 miles you 
probably need to look at 11GHz or 6GHz instead of 18GHz.

 

-sean

 

On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 4:08 PM, SmarterBroadband <li...@sbb.net 
<mailto:li...@sbb.net> > wrote:

Cambium 820's will be down to around 400 meg at 4.5 nines.

We want the link to hold 1 Gig at 4.5 nines.

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> ] On Behalf 
Of Bill Prince
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 2:53 PM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity

What does link planner say you need?

Five nines I presume?

bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

On 4/18/2018 1:12 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:
> Yes, looking at both.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> ] On 
> Behalf Of Seth Mattinen
> Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 12:44 PM
> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity
>
> On 4/18/18 12:31 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:
>> SAF seems to have the lowest output power I have seen….  Especially 
>> the G and GS.
>

> I would look at the RX sensitivity tables.
>

Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity

2018-04-19 Thread SmarterBroadband 
Yes, in so much as I don’t want to pay the extra $100 plus per month for each 
foot of dish…..

 

If there is a 2 foot solution I want to find it.   As I said Dragonwave will 
work but I don’t want to wait.

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2018 3:03 PM
To: Motorola III <af@afmug.com>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity

 

Are you restricted in antenna size at both ends? If one could be larger, that 
would get you the range.




--

bp

part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com

 

On Thu, Apr 19, 2018 at 3:01 PM, Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com 
<mailto:part15...@gmail.com> > wrote:

I think he needs a bigger channel size than you can do in 6GHz.




--

bp

part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com

 

On Thu, Apr 19, 2018 at 2:52 PM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists <jeffl...@att.net 
<mailto:jeffl...@att.net> > wrote:

Yeah, I’m not aware of that change in 6GHz.

 

Have you checked with Comsearch to see about 11GHz.  Liz is my go-to, but 
Comsearch has access to information no one else seems to have.

Jeff Broadwick

CTIconnect

312-205-2519 Office

574-220-7826 Cell

jbroadw...@cticonnect.com <mailto:jbroadw...@cticonnect.com> 


On Apr 19, 2018, at 5:27 PM, Faisal Imtiaz <fai...@snappytelecom.net 
<mailto:fai...@snappytelecom.net> > wrote:

>>>Fcc changed the rules.  You can do 2’ in 6ghz now.

 

Can you please share the ref where and when this was changed ? 

 

Thanks.

 

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
http://www.snappytelecom.net

Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 
<mailto:supp...@snappytelecom.net> 

 


  _  


From: "Sean Heskett" <af...@zirkel.us <mailto:af...@zirkel.us> >
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2018 4:59:57 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity

Fcc changed the rules.  You can do 2’ in 6ghz now.

 

Why are you limited to 2’ dishes??

 

Can you do a 2’ and 3’ (or 4’)??

 

What you are trying to do breaks the laws of physics no matter who’s equipment 
you use.  

 

Sean

 

 

On Thu, Apr 19, 2018 at 1:42 PM SmarterBroadband <li...@sbb.net 
<mailto:li...@sbb.net> > wrote:

Love to but 11 GHz is all gone.   I don’t think you can do 2 foot dishes at 6 
GHz?

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> ] On Behalf 
Of Sean Heskett
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 3:51 PM


To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity

 

 

what rain zone are you in?

 

yes our link is in 18GHz

 

honestly if you need 1gbps with 4.5 nines with 2' dishes at 6 miles you 
probably need to look at 11GHz or 6GHz instead of 18GHz.

 

-sean

 

On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 4:08 PM, SmarterBroadband <li...@sbb.net 
<mailto:li...@sbb.net> > wrote:

Cambium 820's will be down to around 400 meg at 4.5 nines.

We want the link to hold 1 Gig at 4.5 nines.

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> ] On Behalf 
Of Bill Prince
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 2:53 PM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity

What does link planner say you need?

Five nines I presume?

bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

On 4/18/2018 1:12 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:

> Yes, looking at both.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> ] On 
> Behalf Of Seth Mattinen
> Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 12:44 PM
> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity
>
> On 4/18/18 12:31 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:
>> SAF seems to have the lowest output power I have seen….  Especially 
>> the G and GS.
>

> I would look at the RX sensitivity tables.
>

Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity

2018-04-19 Thread Seth Mattinen 

On 4/19/18 4:49 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:

Dragonwave say 31dBm Tx power at 20148QAM on their new harmony HP in 18Ghz



With what RX sensitivity at those parameters?

Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity

2018-04-19 Thread SmarterBroadband 
“What you are trying to do breaks the laws of physics no matter who’s equipment 
you use.”

 

Not necessarily, Dragonwave say 31dBm Tx power at 20148QAM on their new harmony 
HP in 18Ghz.   That gets me my 4.5 nines (most vendors today are 19 dBm or 
lower).   33 dBm at 512QAM!!!   However not available in 80 Mhz channels until 
end of year. 

 

I was hoping someone else would come close.

 

If 2 foot OK in 6GHz that would help with a much longer link I had given up on 
(again no 11GHz).

 

Thanks

 

Adam

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sean Heskett
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2018 2:00 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity

 

Fcc changed the rules.  You can do 2’ in 6ghz now.

 

Why are you limited to 2’ dishes??

 

Can you do a 2’ and 3’ (or 4’)??

 

What you are trying to do breaks the laws of physics no matter who’s equipment 
you use.  

 

Sean

 

 

On Thu, Apr 19, 2018 at 1:42 PM SmarterBroadband <li...@sbb.net 
<mailto:li...@sbb.net> > wrote:

Love to but 11 GHz is all gone.   I don’t think you can do 2 foot dishes at 6 
GHz?

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> ] On Behalf 
Of Sean Heskett
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 3:51 PM


To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity

 

what rain zone are you in?

 

yes our link is in 18GHz

 

honestly if you need 1gbps with 4.5 nines with 2' dishes at 6 miles you 
probably need to look at 11GHz or 6GHz instead of 18GHz.

 

-sean

 

On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 4:08 PM, SmarterBroadband <li...@sbb.net 
<mailto:li...@sbb.net> > wrote:

Cambium 820's will be down to around 400 meg at 4.5 nines.

We want the link to hold 1 Gig at 4.5 nines.

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> ] On Behalf 
Of Bill Prince
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 2:53 PM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity

What does link planner say you need?

Five nines I presume?

bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

On 4/18/2018 1:12 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:
> Yes, looking at both.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> ] On 
> Behalf Of Seth Mattinen
> Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 12:44 PM
> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity
>
> On 4/18/18 12:31 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:
>> SAF seems to have the lowest output power I have seen….  Especially 
>> the G and GS.
>

> I would look at the RX sensitivity tables.
>

Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity

2018-04-19 Thread Seth Mattinen 

On 4/19/18 3:02 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
Are you restricted in antenna size at both ends? If one could be larger, 
that would get you the range.



In 11GHz it's not just range, but cat A vs. cat B antennas. The typical 
smaller 2' antenna is going to be FCC cat B. You could try for a ETSI 
class 4 antenna.

Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity

2018-04-19 Thread George Skorup 
Yeah, no. The minimum diameter in the L6 band is 3-foot and >/=70dB F/B 
ratio. I believe only a few Radiowaves and Andrew/CommScope 
high-performance dishes meet that spec. I believe that was part of the 
same change that allowed 60MHz channel bandwidth.


The upper 6GHz band is still limited to 30MHz channels and 6-foot or 
larger antennas.


Also, the minimum path length for both lower and upper 6GHz bands is 
17km. 11GHz is 5km. I believe there are special considerations and 
waivers to this for things like public safety agencies and such.


On 4/19/2018 4:27 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:

>>>Fcc changed the rules.  You can do 2’ in 6ghz now.

Can you please share the ref where and when this was changed ?

Thanks.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
http://www.snappytelecom.net

Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net



*From: *"Sean Heskett" <af...@zirkel.us>
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Thursday, April 19, 2018 4:59:57 PM
    *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx
Sensitivity

Fcc changed the rules.  You can do 2’ in 6ghz now.

Why are you limited to 2’ dishes??

Can you do a 2’ and 3’ (or 4’)??

What you are trying to do breaks the laws of physics no matter
who’s equipment you use.

Sean


On Thu, Apr 19, 2018 at 1:42 PM SmarterBroadband <li...@sbb.net
<mailto:li...@sbb.net>> wrote:

Love to but 11 GHz is all gone.   I don’t think you can do 2
foot dishes at 6 GHz?

*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On Behalf Of *Sean Heskett
*Sent:* Wednesday, April 18, 2018 3:51 PM


*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx
Sensitivity


what rain zone are you in?

yes our link is in 18GHz

honestly if you need 1gbps with 4.5 nines with 2' dishes at 6
miles you probably need to look at 11GHz or 6GHz instead of 18GHz.

-sean

On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 4:08 PM, SmarterBroadband
<li...@sbb.net <mailto:li...@sbb.net>> wrote:

Cambium 820's will be down to around 400 meg at 4.5 nines.

We want the link to hold 1 Gig at 4.5 nines.

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 2:53 PM
        To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
    Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx
Sensitivity

What does link planner say you need?

Five nines I presume?

bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

On 4/18/2018 1:12 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:
> Yes, looking at both.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen
> Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 12:44 PM
    > To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and
Rx Sensitivity
>
> On 4/18/18 12:31 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:
>> SAF seems to have the lowest output power I have seen…. 
Especially
>> the G and GS.
>

> I would look at the RX sensitivity tables.
>

Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity

2018-04-19 Thread Jeff Broadwick - Lists 
You can do a Gig with dual 50MHz channels in 6.

I’d explore other options in 11, as I mentioned before.

Jeff Broadwick
CTIconnect
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@cticonnect.com

> On Apr 19, 2018, at 6:02 PM, Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I think he needs a bigger channel size than you can do in 6GHz.
> 
> --
> bp
> part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
> 
>> On Thu, Apr 19, 2018 at 2:52 PM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists <jeffl...@att.net> 
>> wrote:
>> Yeah, I’m not aware of that change in 6GHz.
>> 
>> Have you checked with Comsearch to see about 11GHz.  Liz is my go-to, but 
>> Comsearch has access to information no one else seems to have.
>> 
>> Jeff Broadwick
>> CTIconnect
>> 312-205-2519 Office
>> 574-220-7826 Cell
>> jbroadw...@cticonnect.com
>> 
>>> On Apr 19, 2018, at 5:27 PM, Faisal Imtiaz <fai...@snappytelecom.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> >>>Fcc changed the rules.  You can do 2’ in 6ghz now.
>>> 
>>> Can you please share the ref where and when this was changed ? 
>>> 
>>> Thanks.
>>> 
>>> Faisal Imtiaz
>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>>> http://www.snappytelecom.net
>>> 
>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>>> 
>>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>> 
>>> From: "Sean Heskett" <af...@zirkel.us>
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2018 4:59:57 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity
>>> Fcc changed the rules.  You can do 2’ in 6ghz now.
>>> 
>>> Why are you limited to 2’ dishes??
>>> 
>>> Can you do a 2’ and 3’ (or 4’)??
>>> 
>>> What you are trying to do breaks the laws of physics no matter who’s 
>>> equipment you use.  
>>> 
>>> Sean
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Thu, Apr 19, 2018 at 1:42 PM SmarterBroadband <li...@sbb.net> wrote:
>>>> Love to but 11 GHz is all gone.   I don’t think you can do 2 foot dishes 
>>>> at 6 GHz?
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sean Heskett
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 3:51 PM
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> what rain zone are you in?
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> yes our link is in 18GHz
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> honestly if you need 1gbps with 4.5 nines with 2' dishes at 6 miles you 
>>>> probably need to look at 11GHz or 6GHz instead of 18GHz.
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> -sean
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 4:08 PM, SmarterBroadband <li...@sbb.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Cambium 820's will be down to around 400 meg at 4.5 nines.
>>>> 
>>>> We want the link to hold 1 Gig at 4.5 nines.
>>>> 
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 2:53 PM
>>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity
>>>> 
>>>> What does link planner say you need?
>>>> 
>>>> Five nines I presume?
>>>> 
>>>> bp
>>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>>> 
>>>> On 4/18/2018 1:12 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> > Yes, looking at both.
>>>> >
>>>> > -Original Message-
>>>> > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen
>>>> > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 12:44 PM
>>>> > To: af@afmug.com
>>>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity
>>>> >
>>>> > On 4/18/18 12:31 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:
>>>> >> SAF seems to have the lowest output power I have seen….  Especially 
>>>> >> the G and GS.
>>>> >
>>>> > I would look at the RX sensitivity tables.
>>>> >
>>>> 
>>> 
>

Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity

2018-04-19 Thread Bill Prince 
Are you restricted in antenna size at both ends? If one could be larger,
that would get you the range.


--
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com

On Thu, Apr 19, 2018 at 3:01 PM, Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I think he needs a bigger channel size than you can do in 6GHz.
>
> --
> bp
> part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
>
> On Thu, Apr 19, 2018 at 2:52 PM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists <jeffl...@att.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Yeah, I’m not aware of that change in 6GHz.
>>
>> Have you checked with Comsearch to see about 11GHz.  Liz is my go-to, but
>> Comsearch has access to information no one else seems to have.
>>
>> Jeff Broadwick
>> CTIconnect
>> 312-205-2519 Office
>> 574-220-7826 Cell
>> jbroadw...@cticonnect.com
>>
>> On Apr 19, 2018, at 5:27 PM, Faisal Imtiaz <fai...@snappytelecom.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >>>Fcc changed the rules.  You can do 2’ in 6ghz now.
>>
>> Can you please share the ref where and when this was changed ?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> http://www.snappytelecom.net
>>
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>>
>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>>
>> --
>>
>> *From: *"Sean Heskett" <af...@zirkel.us>
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Thursday, April 19, 2018 4:59:57 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity
>>
>> Fcc changed the rules.  You can do 2’ in 6ghz now.
>>
>> Why are you limited to 2’ dishes??
>>
>> Can you do a 2’ and 3’ (or 4’)??
>>
>> What you are trying to do breaks the laws of physics no matter who’s
>> equipment you use.
>>
>> Sean
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 19, 2018 at 1:42 PM SmarterBroadband <li...@sbb.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Love to but 11 GHz is all gone.   I don’t think you can do 2 foot dishes
>>> at 6 GHz?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Sean Heskett
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 18, 2018 3:51 PM
>>>
>>>
>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> what rain zone are you in?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> yes our link is in 18GHz
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> honestly if you need 1gbps with 4.5 nines with 2' dishes at 6 miles you
>>> probably need to look at 11GHz or 6GHz instead of 18GHz.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -sean
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 4:08 PM, SmarterBroadband <li...@sbb.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Cambium 820's will be down to around 400 meg at 4.5 nines.
>>>
>>> We want the link to hold 1 Gig at 4.5 nines.
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 2:53 PM
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity
>>>
>>> What does link planner say you need?
>>>
>>> Five nines I presume?
>>>
>>> bp
>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>>
>>> On 4/18/2018 1:12 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:
>>> > Yes, looking at both.
>>> >
>>> > -Original Message-
>>> > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen
>>> > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 12:44 PM
>>> > To: af@afmug.com
>>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity
>>> >
>>> > On 4/18/18 12:31 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:
>>> >> SAF seems to have the lowest output power I have seen….  Especially
>>> >> the G and GS.
>>> >
>>>
>>> > I would look at the RX sensitivity tables.
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity

2018-04-19 Thread Bill Prince 
I think he needs a bigger channel size than you can do in 6GHz.

--
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com

On Thu, Apr 19, 2018 at 2:52 PM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists <jeffl...@att.net>
wrote:

> Yeah, I’m not aware of that change in 6GHz.
>
> Have you checked with Comsearch to see about 11GHz.  Liz is my go-to, but
> Comsearch has access to information no one else seems to have.
>
> Jeff Broadwick
> CTIconnect
> 312-205-2519 Office
> 574-220-7826 Cell
> jbroadw...@cticonnect.com
>
> On Apr 19, 2018, at 5:27 PM, Faisal Imtiaz <fai...@snappytelecom.net>
> wrote:
>
> >>>Fcc changed the rules.  You can do 2’ in 6ghz now.
>
> Can you please share the ref where and when this was changed ?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> http://www.snappytelecom.net
>
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> --
>
> *From: *"Sean Heskett" <af...@zirkel.us>
> *To: *af@afmug.com
> *Sent: *Thursday, April 19, 2018 4:59:57 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity
>
> Fcc changed the rules.  You can do 2’ in 6ghz now.
>
> Why are you limited to 2’ dishes??
>
> Can you do a 2’ and 3’ (or 4’)??
>
> What you are trying to do breaks the laws of physics no matter who’s
> equipment you use.
>
> Sean
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 19, 2018 at 1:42 PM SmarterBroadband <li...@sbb.net> wrote:
>
>> Love to but 11 GHz is all gone.   I don’t think you can do 2 foot dishes
>> at 6 GHz?
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Sean Heskett
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 18, 2018 3:51 PM
>>
>>
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> what rain zone are you in?
>>
>>
>>
>> yes our link is in 18GHz
>>
>>
>>
>> honestly if you need 1gbps with 4.5 nines with 2' dishes at 6 miles you
>> probably need to look at 11GHz or 6GHz instead of 18GHz.
>>
>>
>>
>> -sean
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 4:08 PM, SmarterBroadband <li...@sbb.net> wrote:
>>
>> Cambium 820's will be down to around 400 meg at 4.5 nines.
>>
>> We want the link to hold 1 Gig at 4.5 nines.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 2:53 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity
>>
>> What does link planner say you need?
>>
>> Five nines I presume?
>>
>> bp
>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>
>> On 4/18/2018 1:12 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:
>> > Yes, looking at both.
>> >
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen
>> > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 12:44 PM
>> > To: af@afmug.com
>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity
>> >
>> > On 4/18/18 12:31 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:
>> >> SAF seems to have the lowest output power I have seen….  Especially
>> >> the G and GS.
>> >
>>
>> > I would look at the RX sensitivity tables.
>> >
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity

2018-04-19 Thread Jeff Broadwick - Lists 
Yeah, I’m not aware of that change in 6GHz.

Have you checked with Comsearch to see about 11GHz.  Liz is my go-to, but 
Comsearch has access to information no one else seems to have.

Jeff Broadwick
CTIconnect
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@cticonnect.com

> On Apr 19, 2018, at 5:27 PM, Faisal Imtiaz <fai...@snappytelecom.net> wrote:
> 
> >>>Fcc changed the rules.  You can do 2’ in 6ghz now.
> 
> Can you please share the ref where and when this was changed ? 
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> http://www.snappytelecom.net
> 
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
> 
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
> 
> From: "Sean Heskett" <af...@zirkel.us>
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2018 4:59:57 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity
> Fcc changed the rules.  You can do 2’ in 6ghz now.
> 
> Why are you limited to 2’ dishes??
> 
> Can you do a 2’ and 3’ (or 4’)??
> 
> What you are trying to do breaks the laws of physics no matter who’s 
> equipment you use.  
> 
> Sean
> 
> 
>> On Thu, Apr 19, 2018 at 1:42 PM SmarterBroadband <li...@sbb.net> wrote:
>> Love to but 11 GHz is all gone.   I don’t think you can do 2 foot dishes at 
>> 6 GHz?
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sean Heskett
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 3:51 PM
>> 
>> 
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> what rain zone are you in?
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> yes our link is in 18GHz
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> honestly if you need 1gbps with 4.5 nines with 2' dishes at 6 miles you 
>> probably need to look at 11GHz or 6GHz instead of 18GHz.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> -sean
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 4:08 PM, SmarterBroadband <li...@sbb.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Cambium 820's will be down to around 400 meg at 4.5 nines.
>> 
>> We want the link to hold 1 Gig at 4.5 nines.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 2:53 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity
>> 
>> What does link planner say you need?
>> 
>> Five nines I presume?
>> 
>> bp
>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>> 
>> On 4/18/2018 1:12 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:
>> > Yes, looking at both.
>> >
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen
>> > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 12:44 PM
>> > To: af@afmug.com
>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity
>> >
>> > On 4/18/18 12:31 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:
>> >> SAF seems to have the lowest output power I have seen….  Especially 
>> >> the G and GS.
>> >
>> 
>> > I would look at the RX sensitivity tables.
>> >
>> 
>

Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity

2018-04-19 Thread Faisal Imtiaz 
>>>Fcc changed the rules. You can do 2’ in 6ghz now. 

Can you please share the ref where and when this was changed ? 

Thanks. 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
http://www.snappytelecom.net 

Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: "Sean Heskett" <af...@zirkel.us>
> To: af@afmug.com
> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2018 4:59:57 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity

> Fcc changed the rules. You can do 2’ in 6ghz now.

> Why are you limited to 2’ dishes??

> Can you do a 2’ and 3’ (or 4’)??

> What you are trying to do breaks the laws of physics no matter who’s equipment
> you use.

> Sean

> On Thu, Apr 19, 2018 at 1:42 PM SmarterBroadband < li...@sbb.net > wrote:

>> Love to but 11 GHz is all gone. I don’t think you can do 2 foot dishes at 6 
>> GHz?

>> From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Sean Heskett
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 3:51 PM

>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity

>> what rain zone are you in?

>> yes our link is in 18GHz

>> honestly if you need 1gbps with 4.5 nines with 2' dishes at 6 miles you 
>> probably
>> need to look at 11GHz or 6GHz instead of 18GHz.

>> -sean

>> On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 4:08 PM, SmarterBroadband < li...@sbb.net > wrote:

>>> Cambium 820's will be down to around 400 meg at 4.5 nines.

>>> We want the link to hold 1 Gig at 4.5 nines.

>>> -Original Message-----
>>> From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 2:53 PM
>>> To: af@afmug.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity

>>> What does link planner say you need?

>>> Five nines I presume?

>>> bp
>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

>>> On 4/18/2018 1:12 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:
>>> > Yes, looking at both.

>>> > -Original Message-
>>> > From: Af [mailto: af-boun...@afmug.com ] On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen
>>> > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 12:44 PM
>>> > To: af@afmug.com
>>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity

>>> > On 4/18/18 12:31 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:
>>> >> SAF seems to have the lowest output power I have seen…. Especially
>>> >> the G and GS.


>>> > I would look at the RX sensitivity tables.

Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity

2018-04-19 Thread Sean Heskett 
Fcc changed the rules.  You can do 2’ in 6ghz now.

Why are you limited to 2’ dishes??

Can you do a 2’ and 3’ (or 4’)??

What you are trying to do breaks the laws of physics no matter who’s
equipment you use.

Sean


On Thu, Apr 19, 2018 at 1:42 PM SmarterBroadband <li...@sbb.net> wrote:

> Love to but 11 GHz is all gone.   I don’t think you can do 2 foot dishes
> at 6 GHz?
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Sean Heskett
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 18, 2018 3:51 PM
>
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity
>
>
>
> what rain zone are you in?
>
>
>
> yes our link is in 18GHz
>
>
>
> honestly if you need 1gbps with 4.5 nines with 2' dishes at 6 miles you
> probably need to look at 11GHz or 6GHz instead of 18GHz.
>
>
>
> -sean
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 4:08 PM, SmarterBroadband <li...@sbb.net> wrote:
>
> Cambium 820's will be down to around 400 meg at 4.5 nines.
>
> We want the link to hold 1 Gig at 4.5 nines.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
> Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 2:53 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity
>
> What does link planner say you need?
>
> Five nines I presume?
>
> bp
> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>
> On 4/18/2018 1:12 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:
> > Yes, looking at both.
> >
> > -Original Message-----
> > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 12:44 PM
> > To: af@afmug.com
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity
> >
> > On 4/18/18 12:31 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:
> >> SAF seems to have the lowest output power I have seen….  Especially
> >> the G and GS.
> >
>
> > I would look at the RX sensitivity tables.
> >
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity

2018-04-19 Thread SmarterBroadband 
Love to but 11 GHz is all gone.   I don’t think you can do 2 foot dishes at 6 
GHz?

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sean Heskett
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 3:51 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity

 

what rain zone are you in?

 

yes our link is in 18GHz

 

honestly if you need 1gbps with 4.5 nines with 2' dishes at 6 miles you 
probably need to look at 11GHz or 6GHz instead of 18GHz.

 

-sean

 

 

On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 4:08 PM, SmarterBroadband <li...@sbb.net 
<mailto:li...@sbb.net> > wrote:

Cambium 820's will be down to around 400 meg at 4.5 nines.

We want the link to hold 1 Gig at 4.5 nines.

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> ] On Behalf 
Of Bill Prince
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 2:53 PM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity

What does link planner say you need?

Five nines I presume?

bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

On 4/18/2018 1:12 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:
> Yes, looking at both.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> ] On 
> Behalf Of Seth Mattinen
> Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 12:44 PM
> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity
>
> On 4/18/18 12:31 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:
>> SAF seems to have the lowest output power I have seen….  Especially 
>> the G and GS.
>

> I would look at the RX sensitivity tables.
>

Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity

2018-04-19 Thread Keefe John 
When will we see UBNT or Mimosa 18 or 23 GHz?

Keefe

On April 18, 2018 5:51:19 PM CDT, Sean Heskett <af...@zirkel.us> wrote:
>what rain zone are you in?
>
>yes our link is in 18GHz
>
>honestly if you need 1gbps with 4.5 nines with 2' dishes at 6 miles you
>probably need to look at 11GHz or 6GHz instead of 18GHz.
>
>-sean
>
>
>On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 4:08 PM, SmarterBroadband <li...@sbb.net>
>wrote:
>
>> Cambium 820's will be down to around 400 meg at 4.5 nines.
>>
>> We want the link to hold 1 Gig at 4.5 nines.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 2:53 PM
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx
>Sensitivity
>>
>> What does link planner say you need?
>>
>> Five nines I presume?
>>
>> bp
>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>
>> On 4/18/2018 1:12 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:
>> > Yes, looking at both.
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-
>> > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen
>> > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 12:44 PM
>> > To: af@afmug.com
>> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx
>Sensitivity
>> >
>> > On 4/18/18 12:31 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:
>> >> SAF seems to have the lowest output power I have seen…. 
>Especially
>> >> the G and GS.
>> >
>> > I would look at the RX sensitivity tables.
>> >
>>
>>

-- 
Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity

2018-04-18 Thread Sean Heskett 
what rain zone are you in?

yes our link is in 18GHz

honestly if you need 1gbps with 4.5 nines with 2' dishes at 6 miles you
probably need to look at 11GHz or 6GHz instead of 18GHz.

-sean


On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 4:08 PM, SmarterBroadband <li...@sbb.net> wrote:

> Cambium 820's will be down to around 400 meg at 4.5 nines.
>
> We want the link to hold 1 Gig at 4.5 nines.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
> Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 2:53 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity
>
> What does link planner say you need?
>
> Five nines I presume?
>
> bp
> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>
> On 4/18/2018 1:12 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:
> > Yes, looking at both.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 12:44 PM
> > To: af@afmug.com
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity
> >
> > On 4/18/18 12:31 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:
> >> SAF seems to have the lowest output power I have seen….  Especially
> >> the G and GS.
> >
> > I would look at the RX sensitivity tables.
> >
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity

2018-04-18 Thread SmarterBroadband 
Cambium 820's will be down to around 400 meg at 4.5 nines.

We want the link to hold 1 Gig at 4.5 nines.

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 2:53 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity

What does link planner say you need?

Five nines I presume?

bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

On 4/18/2018 1:12 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:
> Yes, looking at both.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen
> Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 12:44 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity
>
> On 4/18/18 12:31 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:
>> SAF seems to have the lowest output power I have seen….  Especially 
>> the G and GS.
>
> I would look at the RX sensitivity tables.
>

Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity

2018-04-18 Thread SmarterBroadband 
I have the charts.   Your 6 mile links in 18?

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sean Heskett
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 2:07 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity

 

Download the integra spec sheet and it has all the tx power and recieve 
sensitivity for all the models, channel sizes and QAM levels in charts on the 
last few pages.

 

We have a lot of 6 mile SAF integra-W links on 2’ dishes that have no problem 
even in heavy summer downpours.  We are in NW ColoRADo.

 

-Sean

 

 

 

On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 1:47 PM SmarterBroadband <li...@sbb.net 
<mailto:li...@sbb.net> > wrote:

I don’t see any mention of HP versions.

Can you point me in the right direction?

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> ] On Behalf 
Of Sean Heskett

Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 12:55 PM


To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity

 

There’s a HP version of the G and the W is even louder that that.

 

How far are you trying to shoot and why are you limited to 2’ dishes??

 

On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 12:31 PM SmarterBroadband <li...@sbb.net 
<mailto:li...@sbb.net> > wrote:

SAF seems to have the lowest output power I have seen….  Especially the G and 
GS.

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> ] On Behalf 
Of Sean Heskett
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 11:58 AM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity

 

SAF integra g or w

 

 

On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 3:50 PM SmarterBroadband <li...@sbb.net 
<mailto:li...@sbb.net> > wrote:

We are looking to install a couple of 18GHz License Links and are restricted to 
2 foot antennas.   Therefore I need the best output power and Rx sensitivity 
available today.

 

Both Dragonwave and Bridgewave are touting HP versions but neither will be 
available for months.   Maybe longer.

 

So what is available off the shelf today?   I am checking vendors spec sheets 
but If you know of a higher powered radio please let me know.

 

Thanks

 

Adam

Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity

2018-04-18 Thread SmarterBroadband 
I would be OK with four and a half nines at max mod.

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 2:53 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity

What does link planner say you need?

Five nines I presume?

bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

On 4/18/2018 1:12 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:
> Yes, looking at both.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen
> Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 12:44 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity
>
> On 4/18/18 12:31 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:
>> SAF seems to have the lowest output power I have seen….  Especially 
>> the G and GS.
>
> I would look at the RX sensitivity tables.
>

Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity

2018-04-18 Thread Bill Prince 

What does link planner say you need?

Five nines I presume?

bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

On 4/18/2018 1:12 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:

Yes, looking at both.

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 12:44 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity

On 4/18/18 12:31 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:

SAF seems to have the lowest output power I have seen….  Especially
the G and GS.


I would look at the RX sensitivity tables.

Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity

2018-04-18 Thread George Skorup 
We've got an Exalt G2-18 w/ Radiowaves HP2-18's at ~2.5 miles. 38dBi + 
19dBm Tx at 40MHz/256QAM. RSL is -35dBm. Sometimes it's a little too 
hot. Probably needs ATPC enabled.


On 4/18/2018 4:47 PM, Bill Prince wrote:


We had a Dragonwave going 7.5 miles, but it had a 3' dish on one end 
and a 2' dish on the other.



bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

On 4/18/2018 1:42 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:


5.5 miles

*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Sean Heskett
*Sent:* Wednesday, April 18, 2018 12:55 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity

There’s a HP version of the G and the W is even louder that that.

How far are you trying to shoot and why are you limited to 2’ dishes??

On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 12:31 PM SmarterBroadband <li...@sbb.net 
<mailto:li...@sbb.net>> wrote:


SAF seems to have the lowest output power I have seen…. 
Especially the G and GS.

*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On Behalf Of *Sean Heskett
*Sent:* Wednesday, April 18, 2018 11:58 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx
Sensitivity

SAF integra g or w

On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 3:50 PM SmarterBroadband <li...@sbb.net
<mailto:li...@sbb.net>> wrote:

We are looking to install a couple of 18GHz License Links and
are restricted to 2 foot antennas.   Therefore I need the
best output power and Rx sensitivity available today.

Both Dragonwave and Bridgewave are touting HP versions but
neither will be available for months.   Maybe longer.

So what is available off the shelf today? I am checking
vendors spec sheets but If you know of a higher powered radio
please let me know.

Thanks

Adam

Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity

2018-04-18 Thread Bill Prince 
We had a Dragonwave going 7.5 miles, but it had a 3' dish on one end and 
a 2' dish on the other.



bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

On 4/18/2018 1:42 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:


5.5 miles

*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Sean Heskett
*Sent:* Wednesday, April 18, 2018 12:55 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity

There’s a HP version of the G and the W is even louder that that.

How far are you trying to shoot and why are you limited to 2’ dishes??

On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 12:31 PM SmarterBroadband <li...@sbb.net 
<mailto:li...@sbb.net>> wrote:


SAF seems to have the lowest output power I have seen…. Especially
the G and GS.

*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On Behalf Of *Sean Heskett
*Sent:* Wednesday, April 18, 2018 11:58 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx
Sensitivity

SAF integra g or w

On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 3:50 PM SmarterBroadband <li...@sbb.net
<mailto:li...@sbb.net>> wrote:

We are looking to install a couple of 18GHz License Links and
are restricted to 2 foot antennas.   Therefore I need the best
output power and Rx sensitivity available today.

Both Dragonwave and Bridgewave are touting HP versions but
neither will be available for months.   Maybe longer.

So what is available off the shelf today?   I am checking
vendors spec sheets but If you know of a higher powered radio
please let me know.

Thanks

Adam

Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity

2018-04-18 Thread Sean Heskett 
Download the integra spec sheet and it has all the tx power and recieve
sensitivity for all the models, channel sizes and QAM levels in charts on
the last few pages.

We have a lot of 6 mile SAF integra-W links on 2’ dishes that have no
problem even in heavy summer downpours.  We are in NW ColoRADo.

-Sean



On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 1:47 PM SmarterBroadband <li...@sbb.net> wrote:

> I don’t see any mention of HP versions.
>
> Can you point me in the right direction?
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Sean Heskett
>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 18, 2018 12:55 PM
>
>
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity
>
>
>
> There’s a HP version of the G and the W is even louder that that.
>
>
>
> How far are you trying to shoot and why are you limited to 2’ dishes??
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 12:31 PM SmarterBroadband <li...@sbb.net> wrote:
>
> SAF seems to have the lowest output power I have seen….  Especially the G
> and GS.
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Sean Heskett
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 18, 2018 11:58 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity
>
>
>
> SAF integra g or w
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 3:50 PM SmarterBroadband <li...@sbb.net> wrote:
>
> We are looking to install a couple of 18GHz License Links and are
> restricted to 2 foot antennas.   Therefore I need the best output power and
> Rx sensitivity available today.
>
>
>
> Both Dragonwave and Bridgewave are touting HP versions but neither will be
> available for months.   Maybe longer.
>
>
>
> So what is available off the shelf today?   I am checking vendors spec
> sheets but If you know of a higher powered radio please let me know.
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Adam
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity

2018-04-18 Thread SmarterBroadband 
I don’t see any mention of HP versions.

Can you point me in the right direction?

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sean Heskett
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 12:55 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity

 

There’s a HP version of the G and the W is even louder that that.

 

How far are you trying to shoot and why are you limited to 2’ dishes??

 

On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 12:31 PM SmarterBroadband <li...@sbb.net 
<mailto:li...@sbb.net> > wrote:

SAF seems to have the lowest output power I have seen….  Especially the G and 
GS.

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> ] On Behalf 
Of Sean Heskett
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 11:58 AM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity

 

SAF integra g or w

 

 

On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 3:50 PM SmarterBroadband <li...@sbb.net 
<mailto:li...@sbb.net> > wrote:

We are looking to install a couple of 18GHz License Links and are restricted to 
2 foot antennas.   Therefore I need the best output power and Rx sensitivity 
available today.

 

Both Dragonwave and Bridgewave are touting HP versions but neither will be 
available for months.   Maybe longer.

 

So what is available off the shelf today?   I am checking vendors spec sheets 
but If you know of a higher powered radio please let me know.

 

Thanks

 

Adam

Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity

2018-04-18 Thread SmarterBroadband 
5.5 miles

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sean Heskett
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 12:55 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity

 

There’s a HP version of the G and the W is even louder that that.

 

How far are you trying to shoot and why are you limited to 2’ dishes??

 

On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 12:31 PM SmarterBroadband <li...@sbb.net 
<mailto:li...@sbb.net> > wrote:

SAF seems to have the lowest output power I have seen….  Especially the G and 
GS.

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> ] On Behalf 
Of Sean Heskett
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 11:58 AM
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity

 

SAF integra g or w

 

 

On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 3:50 PM SmarterBroadband <li...@sbb.net 
<mailto:li...@sbb.net> > wrote:

We are looking to install a couple of 18GHz License Links and are restricted to 
2 foot antennas.   Therefore I need the best output power and Rx sensitivity 
available today.

 

Both Dragonwave and Bridgewave are touting HP versions but neither will be 
available for months.   Maybe longer.

 

So what is available off the shelf today?   I am checking vendors spec sheets 
but If you know of a higher powered radio please let me know.

 

Thanks

 

Adam

Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity

2018-04-18 Thread SmarterBroadband 
Yes, looking at both.

-Original Message-
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 12:44 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity

On 4/18/18 12:31 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:
> SAF seems to have the lowest output power I have seen….  Especially 
> the G and GS.


I would look at the RX sensitivity tables.

Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity

2018-04-18 Thread Sean Heskett 
There’s a HP version of the G and the W is even louder that that.

How far are you trying to shoot and why are you limited to 2’ dishes??

On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 12:31 PM SmarterBroadband <li...@sbb.net> wrote:

> SAF seems to have the lowest output power I have seen….  Especially the G
> and GS.
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Sean Heskett
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 18, 2018 11:58 AM
> *To:* af@afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity
>
>
>
> SAF integra g or w
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 3:50 PM SmarterBroadband <li...@sbb.net> wrote:
>
> We are looking to install a couple of 18GHz License Links and are
> restricted to 2 foot antennas.   Therefore I need the best output power and
> Rx sensitivity available today.
>
>
>
> Both Dragonwave and Bridgewave are touting HP versions but neither will be
> available for months.   Maybe longer.
>
>
>
> So what is available off the shelf today?   I am checking vendors spec
> sheets but If you know of a higher powered radio please let me know.
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Adam
>
>

Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity

2018-04-18 Thread Seth Mattinen 

On 4/18/18 12:31 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:
SAF seems to have the lowest output power I have seen….  Especially the 
G and GS.



I would look at the RX sensitivity tables.

Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity

2018-04-18 Thread SmarterBroadband 
SAF seems to have the lowest output power I have seen….  Especially the G and 
GS.

 

From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sean Heskett
Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2018 11:58 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity

 

SAF integra g or w

 

 

On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 3:50 PM SmarterBroadband <li...@sbb.net 
<mailto:li...@sbb.net> > wrote:

We are looking to install a couple of 18GHz License Links and are restricted to 
2 foot antennas.   Therefore I need the best output power and Rx sensitivity 
available today.

 

Both Dragonwave and Bridgewave are touting HP versions but neither will be 
available for months.   Maybe longer.

 

So what is available off the shelf today?   I am checking vendors spec sheets 
but If you know of a higher powered radio please let me know.

 

Thanks

 

Adam

Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity

2018-04-18 Thread Sean Heskett 
SAF integra g or w


On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 3:50 PM SmarterBroadband  wrote:

> We are looking to install a couple of 18GHz License Links and are
> restricted to 2 foot antennas.   Therefore I need the best output power and
> Rx sensitivity available today.
>
>
>
> Both Dragonwave and Bridgewave are touting HP versions but neither will be
> available for months.   Maybe longer.
>
>
>
> So what is available off the shelf today?   I am checking vendors spec
> sheets but If you know of a higher powered radio please let me know.
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Adam
>

Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity

2018-04-17 Thread George Skorup 
Have a coordinator tell you how much power you can run on the path 
before you decide to buy gear. You might be limited to the typical 
14-20dBm Tx power due to other paths/licensees.


A Radiowaves HP2-18 is 38dBi. We have a 2.5 mile Exalt ExtendAir G2-18 
link with that at both ends. +19dBm Tx power at 40MHz/256QAM. -35dBm 
RSL. Rarely drops out in the rain.


On 4/17/2018 5:50 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote:


We are looking to install a couple of 18GHz License Links and are 
restricted to 2 foot antennas. Therefore I need the best output power 
and Rx sensitivity available today.


Both Dragonwave and Bridgewave are touting HP versions but neither 
will be available for months.�� Maybe longer.


So what is available off the shelf today? I am checking vendors spec 
sheets but If you know of a higher powered radio please let me know.


Thanks

Adam

Re: [AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity

2018-04-17 Thread Eric Kuhnke 
Absolute highest power?  I think there is an Aviat 18 GHz radio that is
something like +24 Tx power before you add the dish gain. Won't be cheap.

On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 3:50 PM, SmarterBroadband  wrote:

> We are looking to install a couple of 18GHz License Links and are
> restricted to 2 foot antennas.   Therefore I need the best output power and
> Rx sensitivity available today.
>
>
>
> Both Dragonwave and Bridgewave are touting HP versions but neither will be
> available for months.   Maybe longer.
>
>
>
> So what is available off the shelf today?   I am checking vendors spec
> sheets but If you know of a higher powered radio please let me know.
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Adam
>

[AFMUG] 18GHz Licensed Link best power and Rx Sensitivity

2018-04-17 Thread SmarterBroadband 
We are looking to install a couple of 18GHz License Links and are restricted
to 2 foot antennas.   Therefore I need the best output power and Rx
sensitivity available today.

 

Both Dragonwave and Bridgewave are touting HP versions but neither will be
available for months.   Maybe longer.

 

So what is available off the shelf today?   I am checking vendors spec
sheets but If you know of a higher powered radio please let me know.

 

Thanks

 

Adam